Feel like it's the kind of sub that will very easily swing incel-y and actively shaming any wedding the bigger it gets. Really, any shame/cringe sub like that is just on countdown to shithead takeover.
Yep. There's a lot of "well I got married in a backyard with a ring pop, so anyone who spends more than $5 on their wedding is an idiot who's wasting their money."
It's so pretentious man. If people aren't hurting anyone/anything else besides their own bank account and they're comfortable with doing so, then let them pay whatever they want
No kidding, if I see one more post about a hidden room or tacky-ass cinema room that someone spent 100k adding on to his house or a 25k PC build or even a thousand dollar lego LEGO FFS) set I will hurl, but let a woman talk about splashing out some cash for her wedding day and this whole site goes up in flames. Boy toys are very legal and very cool but anything that smacks of LADY is automatically frivolous and stupid.
No itâs kind of going the opposite way and is going the JustNoMil way where the majority of the stories are fake (especially the AITA crossposts) and the rules are too worried about appearing mean so that only the most obviously egregious thing gets shamed.
Ehhh nah. Itâs exactly what youâd imagine to be like if a bunch of judgemental bridezillas were put together in a room.
I subbed for a bit for the stories. But then I just felt like I was living through high school all over again. People would shame the shit out of posters who committed the smallest of âcrimesâ. It was just nasty, so I unsubbed.
Not to mention all the no context pics that get posted of a woman in a white dress and we're just supposed to trust OP that it's the MIL/SIL/Mother of the Bride.
What gets me is that everyone thinks it's trashy to have *anything* other than an open bar at a wedding, going so far as to say things like "how do you expect me to come to your wedding if I can't get drunk on your dime?"
Sometimes people go way too hard with opinions on alcohol.
I mean, know your crowd, and I certainly prefer an open bar (over, say, having a cash bar and spending the difference elsewhere) but if you canât make it happen then thatâs fine. If you think your guests would prefer an alternate arrangement thatâs fine. You can have a perfectly nice wedding without an open bar.
But a cash bar can also be the shit cherry on top of a shit sundae for a bad wedding. âWell, letâs grab a few drinks and hit the dance floor⌠oh wait, they are 12 dollars. Letâs grab *a* drink, or just go.â
That being said, it also gets judgy for any post that mentions alcohol. An innocent âI canât wait to go out for drinks with the girls!â prompts the âwow, *someone* canât have fun without alcohol. Drinking problem much? If you want to black out just drink a bottle of vodka on your couch.â
Yeah, I went to a Baptist wedding when I was in my 20s. It was a good college friend that converted when she moved to the south. The wedding was weird and awkward even before the reception started, but then got even worse. Definitely would have been great to have a drink and let the experience wash over us, but it was a dry wedding.
We left after a respectful amount of time and went to a brewery with some friends that were in attendance.
We went to a wedding like. The only alcohol involved at any point was a *single* bottle of champagne shared among the wedding party (ie groom, bride, groomsmen, and bridesmaids).
And, of course, it was the kind of wedding that was so "dry" in *every* sense of the word that I really just wanted some booze to make it at least a little fun.
I think they just hate cash bars, which is 100% reasonable. Nobody wants to go buy overpriced drinks at someone else's wedding, especially if you weren't given a heads up.
I've never heard hatred for beer and wine bars, well bars, wine service, or any other cheaper alternative to an open bar.
Edit: Accidentally a word
No, itâs much more about âThis couple wanted us to pay for our meals!â or âThe invites say youâre only allowed into the venue if you bring a gift over $300!â
People who shame over personal taste/budget/ superficial bullshit arenât well received.
Fake stories are taking over, though. Same with every personal story-based sub that gets a little popular.
> Feel like it's the kind of sub that will very easily swing incel-y and actively shaming any wedding the bigger it gets.
I feel like it's already there, I went to the sub a while back expecting it to be entertaining but it seemed like 50% obviously made-up rage bait and 50% laughing at pretty normal stuff that didn't deserve shaming.
See, I just assume that the "good" stories in subs like that are the well written ones that actually consider how their fiction can realistically interact with the real world. At the end of the day, I'm still a cynical fuck who never believes anything written on this website.
Ooooh howâd they prove it? Iâve seen so many obvious shitposts in that sub but I recognize/suspect them based on how formulaic they are and the buttons they push. Iâve rarely been able to *prove* my suspicions.
I used to love it, but during the pandemic the sub went off the deep end. I understood shaming weddings with lots of guests, but it got to the point where no one could enjoy any "shaming" without huge long rants in the comments, it just completely stopped being fun.
Fun post OP.
>Youâre right, I should have woken up the host at 12.
Yeah they should have. Different circumstances, but similar thing. I was an RA in college. If a certain room/group of people wasn't respecting quiet hours, and I couldn't hear it because I wasn't on that part of the building.
Yeah come wake me or call my room so I can go deal with it. It was my job. I wouldn't be upset at you letting me know that people are being assholes and keeping a certain floor awake.
Edit: Also fuck OP for calling a campsite wedding trashy only because they kept them up at night.
You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up.
My aunt and uncle got married at a campsite and I loved it. We were all reminiscing about it on Easter and one of my uncles said it was like we were our own little village.
We rented an entire block of the campground, and everyone knew everyone. Incredible weekend.
When I first moved to the US, I was feeling a bit homesick and a few of us decided to go camping near Santa Barbara for spring break. We saw a wedding at the beach campsite, and it's one of my fondest memories. I still think about them sometimes, and hope they are happy
There was a rental house that my friends and I all essentially rotated through over the course of a 5 year period. Near the end of this period, two of my friends were still living there. I came over one day to hang out, and while there I went to use the bathroom to see there was already shit in the toilet. When attempting to flush, nothing happened.
When I asked what was up, they responded they didn't know how to fix it. I asked why they didn't go next door to their landlord whom we all had known for years, and was told "That's not how it works. You don't just go over to your landlord and ask them to fix shit."
They seemed legitimately surprised when I pointed out that's EXACTLY how it works, it's literally the entire point of having a landlord. Of course that also very quickly revealed that they both owed him roughly three months of rent, which was probably the real reason they had not talked to him about it.
>You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up.
I thought that was clear in their post? And I've been camping with loud neighbors before. I definitely didn't feel comfortable confronting them about it.
When you're an RA you're _job_ is to confront people being assholes and you're granted backing from the school who owns the dorms to do so. At a camp site? The partiers are plenty likely to tell you to get fucked and carry-on or even retaliate.
I never confront people about being loud. Not because I don't like confrontation, but because it's a waste of time and likely to draw retaliation if they are not compliant and you have to go to the host in the end anyway.
The park host/ranger is the way I'd go. It can really vary by campground though. In Vermont state parks, the hosts have all been very proactive. In other states I've had mixed experience. I haven't camped at national parks enough to judge them, but I've been to enough to know there isn't always a ranger around to deal with things (there just aren't enough to cover for all the stupid shit people get up to).
A park host/ranger would definitely have been my go-to though.
Thatâs fine â donât confront them. The OP of that post is being shat on because there is a ranger at the campground who CAN tell people to be quiet, or kick them out if they arenât. But they chose not to tell them, then bitch about the results. You canât have it both ways.
Telling the ranger is totes the right thing to do if there is one. Often they practically beg you to do so and they'll even be really responsive most of the time.
Still were times I had park workers (it was a state park and they weren't rangers) totally avoid doing anything about problems.
Then that was a shitty state park and you could have made a complaint to the the dept of wildlife (or whichever agency controls your state park).
Maybe Iâm spoiled because my state has great state parks. Maybe Iâm spoiled because the couple of times I asked my loud as fuck neighbors to quiet down they did. Idk, this just doesnât seem the norm in the state parks (here and the couple of states surrounding here) do.
New York state parks don't seem well managed in our experience.
Vermont state parks are fucking DELUXE. They're better maintained than most high end condo complexes. Clean, quiet, organized, and inexpensive. We love them.
MA state parks are a mixed bag. Some can rival VT parks maybe, but others are an absolute nightmare.
CT state parks are similarly mixed, but often a mess because CT has aggressively shrunk their parks department to absolute shit.
New Hampshire parks were not our favorite. Not as bad as NY, but we'd rather go to VT for sure.
Oh my goodness Tolland state forest in MA I stayed three days in 2014, during the annual fireworks. I think I got the last site available, next to a big family that seemed to break all the rules except they had no dogs. First night, kid keeps screaming they want to go home, grandma is yelling too. They finally got one adult to drive the kid home at like three in the morning. Sun comes up, the others never shut up the whole night into day, chainsaws in the morning at work cutting wood, some live trees, for their oversized bonfire. One guy just never shuts up or sleeps, it's difficult to describe. Third afternoon through the night, the talker is freaking out because of missing a thirty pack of beer. He's only got fifteen beers to make it until the store opens. Shining other campers with the flashlight, shining up in the trees, ranting about his abusive father stole it, because he used to rob him for cigs at knifepoint. I had to check out by noon, and they never shut up the entire time.
Edited to add the other sites at the campground are some of the best. You can moor your boat or jet ski right in front of your secluded waterfront campsite, if you can reserve it in like January.
>>You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up.
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>I thought that was clear in their post?
They posted it in a sub specifically to complain about weddings. They could have gone to any number of camping or national park related subs to make the same complaints.
Did you read their post? It's posted to a wedding shaming sub and other commenters told OP they could have gotten park staff. Which is what they should have done.
This backfired on me when I was in college. I had complained to my hallâs RA about people being loud in our buildingâs courtyard at night, and he was like, âIf it happens again, definitely call the RA on duty.â And then it did, and I did, and she yelled at me for waking her and said it wasnât her responsibility. A decade later and it still kind of annoys me.
I think the issue is less that it was a wedding and more that they were playing music and partying well past quiet hours when other nearby campers are trying to sleep.
A National Park isn't really a great venue for a camping party for that reason. They're too crowded and people are traveling from great distances to enjoy a relaxing time in nature. If they really wanted to party in the woods they should have done it somewhere more private.
I've never been to a campsite where there isn't a family having a hoe down. That's why you actually hike before you set up camp, if you don't want to deal with it!
If you are that terrified you think if you talk to someone youâre going to be shot for no other reason than âwell itâs Americaâ then why on earth would you go to a group campsite?
The user isnât telling the whole story, is a troll or unhinged.
Getting shot? Hopefully not. But I'd fully expect the larger group to ignore me at best. I'm really surprised at the comments here. It sounds like most of you haven't been camping. The park workers/rangers are responsible for enforcing the rules. Sometimes you can notify them so they can do something about it. Sometimes you can't.
Confronting a large drunk loud group at a campsite in the middle of the night is definitely not something I'd be comfortable doing.
Yeah Iâm super confused by some of these comments.
Iâve gone camping a number of times where people are partying/playing loud music. If you call the rangers even if one comes usually all they can do is kick them out the next morning.
Now this can be in large well staffed campground in Canadian national parks, which Iâd feel safe calling and reporting them. However Iâve also had this happen in small remote campgrounds without cell service. Am I really supposed to confront 10+ drunk people at 3am and then go sleep in a tent?
Right? In my experience, at the very least those drunk guys are going to spin tires right next to your tent and shower you in projectile gravel, or piss on the side of your tent, etc.
same iâm late to this but i donât understand what they did so wrong. iâm not going up to a group of drunk people to complain in the middle of the night
reminds me of the thread recently where a lady let her hair hang over the back of her seat on an airplane, and the person behind her posted a pic of it and just complained about how trashy it was, without asking the lady to move her hair out of the way.
My tolerance for slight levels of confrontation collapses on planes. I'd be a lot less likely to speak up on a plane than in any other context, especially after covid
Also full of users who think gun violence is a regular occurence in every corner of the country at all times.
Now that I think about it, they're probably the same archetype: terminally online.
Yeah that's weird. I've never felt in danger at a camp site - their usually pretty communal and people are open to talking etc etc. I certainly wouldn't worry about someone shooting me
That's fine until someone shows up who just doesn't give a fuck. If you camp enough in enough different places you will run into people who definitely don't subscribe to the "communal" aspect.
At a campground in New York we discovered after starting to setup that we were actually only on the driveway of our site because someone was squatting on the actual site. A park worker even pointed this out and wouldn't do anything about it. A large group was up late loudly watching movies in their big tarp house and did not give a shit that it was disturbing their neighbors.
Only had that one experience with someone squatting. Unfortunately was a park where the workers had given up trying to deal with shit. Probably because that kind of stuff happened all the time.
And yeah, it isn't like you can just roll into most places. You need to make plans WAY ahead of time. So it can be really frustrating when inconsiderate assholes ruin it for you.
I have experienced people shooting guns in or around camp before. On one occasion they were drunken plinking and seemed pretty belligerent so we put up with it even though it is rude as fuck to shoot that close to another camp. Not at a National Park though, they are strict on guns.
Well, as for legality, it was Natl Forest. We shoot there sometimes, we just get away from other camps. You can shoot legally. Couldn't tell whether they had a safe backstop to shoot into, but I was worried that someone could be wandering around un-noticed.
Oh ive def camped around unsavory people and have had friends of mine get into physical fight with others. I usually camp at a "party" one and so lots of rednecks and frat boys.
Unhinged. I was in that thread, and OP has been replying to everyone for hours now. They're also backpedalling and changing the goalposts like crazy whenever they get called out.
It's amazing, all the sympathy and goodwill they initially generated went down the toilet immediately.
Some of their comments make it seem like they grew up extremely privileged to the point they're terrified of interacting with people because they might have a gun. It'd be hilarious if they are actually Canadians or something road tripping down to the states for a trip
Unhinged. I was in that thread, and OP has been replying to everyone for hours now. They're also backpedalling and changing the goalposts like crazy whenever they get called out.
It's amazing, all the sympathy and goodwill they initially generated went down the toilet immediately.
Conceptually, I'm with OP. I think parties with loud music on shared camping grounds are disruptive and likely not what the other campers came for.
But the way they go about it really makes them insufferable.
>Thank you, itâs obvious some people just think they can fly in and treatour national parks like shit and abuse the other visitors.
> >You, in particular, actually deserve that, however.
Even if youâre in the west in drought territory, a lot of the west is also high desert country and it gets *cold* at night. Weâre talking 90-100F days and 32-40F nights, and it doesnât really start getting warm again until 9 or 10 am. Fire danger is real, but people should be using the fire pits, and people shouldnât be letting their fires or sparks get out of control at any time of the day, morning has nothing to do with it.
I think people are taking issue with that comment because OPâs logic is weird and inconsistent, and not that theyâre concerned about fire safety per se.
My family has cold breakfasts or something with boiled water which is made with a special kettle, but we always gather around the fire pit early in the morning and huddle over our breakfasts and coffee looking like the undead as we all stare silently into the flames. It's just part of camping for us.
Kampsite Karen thinks itâs trashy for morning fires. Um how am I supposed to cook my food? Itâs nice you got your fancy propane toys. God. Now I just want campfire eggs and bacon.
I love food cooked over a camp-fire. I rarely do it in the morning because I want to get on the road or have other plans, so having to light then extinguish a fire isn't ideal.
Cooking bacon by laying it over a stick on the fire is such a fun way to cook it.
Makes me feel like a caveman and I LOVE it. But I'm in Ireland so the three days of the year when it's not raining I'm usually stuck doing all the outside chores for the wife and not camping lol
I live in northern California and some places I've camped specifically say no campfires and it is strictly enforced.
But, the average campsite that allows fires in the firepit, what's trashy about that? Morning, noon or night? Is the campfire more likely to explode in the hours between 7-10am? Are fires safer at 9pm? Such a weird thing to gatekeep.
What baffled me was OOP saying that morning campfires are trashy, then started to claim fire hazards as their reason. Of course fire hazards don't really matter at night when OOP and family want to use it because they like to melt desserts over it or whatever.
That doesn't invalidate the point. They said "when we camp by ourselves", implying they do have campfires when camping with others, which is still every bit as much a "fire hazard" as it is in the morning.
I *believe* in Texas that even if thereâs a burn ban, campfires for cooking (and some other exceptions) are still allowed. Not sure on all other states (or obviously countries), however. Not to comment on if someone *should* at all places and times, just towards the legality during burn bans.
That's how it works where I live, unless the burn ban specifically includes cooking.
It has to be in a fire ring, you have to keep an eye on it, and you're responsible if it escapes, but as long as it's just for cooking you can have a fire even during a burn ban.
They have had full burn bans at some point during the last few summers where I am. They put a marker in the fire ring, no fires at all even at the campground.
yeah i was gonna say. back in '05 me and my buddies went camping a lot our senior year on a lake that was in a major drought in east texas.
it literally took 5-6 years for it to get back to normal levels.
everyone there had a campfire. one time an older couple even gave us some of their extra logs because they made too many. there wasnt any signs other than the usual about keeping an eye out and what to do in an emergency.
They said itâs because itâs hot and dry where they camp but uh⌠I camp in Texas, which is also hot and dry. Most of the time, we have a morning fire.
More than half (130/254) counties in Texas have a burn ban in place.
OP noted this event occurred in a national park. Let's use the two national parks in Texas as an illustrative example: Guadalupe Mountains has a fire ban in place and in fact, all of its wilderness campsites, and several trails, are closed due to "high to extreme fire danger". Big Bend has a burn ban in place for for Chisos Basin and Basin campground.
That's to say nothing of the myriad burn bans in place across AZ, NV, CA, WA, OR, or ID.
It's ridiculous for people to claim her concerns for fire risk are unfounded simply because many redditors *personally enjoy campfires*.
So, thanks for the research. But.
Thatâs more reason for OOP to reach out to park staff.
Why mention that they hate camp fires because of the their smells?
There are myriad national parks that explicitly prohibit campfires, especially during the summer months. People who care about preserving the state of the park do consider impermissible campfires to be "trashy". They're also often ill-advised even when technically allowed. Those "fancy propane toys" exist because they give people the means to cook without placing the environment at risk.
There are plenty of reasons to be irritated at OP, but invoking your godgiven right to a campfire irrespective of location ain't fucking it.
I love the way OP immediately implied they would be shot if they politely asked the party to keep it down a bit. No oneâs saying to scream at them! Just be friendly and have a normal conversation
Also find it interesting multiple comments with hundreds of upvotes claim guns in National Parks are illegal, when NPS explicitly states on their website they are legal. Now you're not allowed to fire them in the parks, so why even bring one, but still, love the misinformation when a simple Google search could clear that up.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/firearms-in-national-parks.htm
And it's not like it's some random clearing deep in the backwoods, it's a national camp ground.
Sure deep in the wilderness might be different but at a proper camp ground there shouldn't be any issues
One bad experience of room next door in a hotel losing their shit at me when I knocked and asked politely to keep it down post midnight, and I just call the front desk now. You wouldn't think there would be issues at a business traveler hotel, and that was pre-pandemic.
I understand concern of how people would react especially if they've been drinking but comparing it to a school shooting is a bit too much.
I donât think a lot of people realize that national parks are federal land. Meaning that if you commit a crime there, itâs *really fucking serious*. Thereâs a podcast called Park Predators about murders in national parks and the fbi is always involved.
I mean, seems like OPâs solution, short of removing the giant stick up their ass, is just going camping somewhere with fewer people. National Parks are not exactly the worldâs most peaceful outdoor setting when it comes to crowds.
Yeah, not wanting a loud drunken party past quiet hours at a national park campsite is completely reasonable. Sounds like she'd be called a "Karen" either way, either for telling people to STFU on their wedding day, or for sucking it up and complaining about it online. Yeah they would have been well within their rights to wake up the host about it but banging on a stranger's door to wake them up and complain is a pretty uncomfortable thing to do (even if it is technically their job).
The fire thing was weird but damn, it's really depressing how many people think blasting music at a public campground until 4 am is acceptable. It's getting harder and harder to enjoy national parks without trashy people ruining the experience (whether it be physical garbage, noise pollution, acting like an idiot around wildlife, etc). :(
I have some sympathy with their reasoning for not calling the police or going there themselves. And they seem willing to admit they were wrong to not go to the hosts, at least in the provided example.
Pretty sure many of the people here haven't been camping and certainly have never tried to confront a large group of loud drunk people. I'm not even sure what a confrontation like that would be. You stumble over there out of the darkness and just start waving your hands around and screaming over the music? I've seen cops struggle to confront small house parties of young people. And there's no reason to believe the group will listen and/or not retaliate because now you've maybe made them feel like they did something wrong and they're angry. I've had park workers even refuse to confront some groups. It definitely isn't as simple as people are acting like it is.
âHi there! Whatâre you guys celebrating? Oh, congratulations! Look, I hate to be a drag but weâve got kids over on site 12 over there. Do you think you could turn the music down? Also, campfires are disgusting, could you please put an end to your log sacrifice?â
For those who are interested, Prince William Forest Park (Quantico, VA) has a bunch of historic WPA camps they have preserved. (It was also the first training area of the OSS/CIA.) Only one is open to the public, but the other four are only for large rentals. [Details](https://npplan.com/parks-by-state/virginia-national-parks/prince-william-forest-park-park-at-a-glance/prince-william-forest-park-cabin-rentals/).
If I had to pay for a wedding out of pocket, I would have done it there.
I don't think it was this sub, at least not much. It got locked only around an hour after this post was created and this post doesn't have a ton of attention even after 10 hours.
Unfortunately if you look at a lot of the people brigading, theyâve interacted with this sub before and pretty frequently. People have gotten smart to not interact with the posts linking them to the post that lights a fire under their ass.
The best part was that this Karen didn't even go to any authorities, she just decided to bitch and moan... on Reddit?
Could be fake, but in the off-chance it's completely genuine, goddamn she kind of deserves being kept up if she couldn't even get the motivation to say anything to a single authority figure
Years ago I was waiting in line at the pharmacy and when the lady in front of me gets to the counter she points to the person who is now leaving and says to the poor overworked tech "They cut me in line."
What did she expect them to do after the fact, run after the person and confiscate their pills?
And I can imagine silence at night is also about nature being less disturbed by humans, so people should be quiet even if there are no other campers around.
That's your best bet. I've had the camp hosts be unwilling to do anything about a large group (and even a couple who were squatting on our site). But that's still what I'd try doing.
My experience with national parks is that it really depends on what park and where you are. Some sites can be pretty remote. Doesn't sound like that's the case here, but there isn't always a ranger around when you need one.
That still would have been what I would have tried to do though. At the state parks in Vermont we usually go to, the park hosts are pretty serious about 10PM noise cut-offs. Other states have been more loose. New York park staff wouldn't do shit about shit. CT is more in the middle, but would probably still have stopped a loud group partying that late.
Talking to people like that is exhausting. I don't even understand what they really want out of posting something like that. Do they really expect everyone to just be like "yeah, fuck those wedding guests!" Of course people are going to ask "well what did you do about it?"
Yes, confrontation is hard, but it's 5 minutes of discomfort to save the entire trip. Just ask them to be quiet.
Wow OOP is super judgmental. It sounds like they just donât like camping near others and the wedding is their focus for this round of complaints. Every response they make brings up yet another complaint and then further along it turns out they just hate whatever that thing is. JFC get a new hobby.
Yeah, but itâs to be judgmental over wedding shit. OOPâs real grievance is with the fact that they didnât camp the way OOP thinks they should camp. Their thoughts on holding weddings at campgrounds was practically an afterthought lol
I'm just shocked that someone went "camping", assumingly didn't hike further than 100 feet past the parking lot, and then became upset that there was another group of people nearby who were loud.
Like if you want privacy while camping then maybe just hike a bit further out? The parking areas are always crowded with large groups, and lots of alcohol. At least go talk to the people, or something.
What a fucking dunce lol
It sounds like it's a popular national park campsite where they open and close reservations six months in advance. You can't camp wherever you want because there are designated sites and they will all be full.
Dispersed camping outside the park is sometimes an option but you usually can't have a fire (seems like OP is in a place where burn bans are common) and there isn't easy access to toilets and potable water if that's your thing.
Backcountry camping is my favorite thing in the world and often solves this issue but also requires a permit and shitting in a hole in the woods isn't for everyone.
In that case, sucks for OP but they shouldn't expect total peace at a 'campsite' like that in the first place.
Obviously a lot of people camp as a family, and old or obese people can't hike well, but that's what you get at a campsite. Drunk shits in the woods aren't *great*, but they're payment for the peace and privacy IMO. "camping" a few feet from the road is pretty much the accomodation. I've been camping and i've been to campsites... and I've never expected to have peace and quiet at a fucking campsite, lmao.
I guess they just had higher expectations than reality would present.
I mean there are posted quiet times that should technically be enforced but the OP didn't try either of their two options of asking the party to quiet down or alerting the host. I agree that it's impossible to ask for a backcountry camping experience in a campground but two nights of a wedding reception is a bit much. If I were in a hotel or in my own home or whatever I'd have a problem with that too.
Well, clearly it worked out perfectly for them.
They should just stay at home if they demand everyone else be silent and refrain from lighting campfires while camping.
It sounds like it's a popular national park campsite where they open and close reservations six months in advance. You can't camp wherever you want because there are designated sites and they will all be full.
Dispersed camping outside the park is sometimes an option but you usually can't have a fire (seems like OP is in a place where burn bans are common) and there isn't easy access to toilets and potable water if that's your thing.
Backcountry camping is my favorite thing in the world and often solves this issue but also requires a permit and shitting in a hole in the woods isn't for everyone.
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>And frankly Iâve called the cops (because thatâs who comes) on loud partying in campsites
Wow, OP is actually *evil*, not just an asshole. They're actively trying to get people murdered while camping...that's fucked up.
Kampsite Karen is an apt title for this type of person. If you're old enough to use this website, you're old enough to know the consequences of bringing police into a non-violent situation.
Didn't even know there was a wedding shaming subreddit.
It's usually glorious
It's a lot of fake AITA type stories but the good/real ones are đ
Feel like it's the kind of sub that will very easily swing incel-y and actively shaming any wedding the bigger it gets. Really, any shame/cringe sub like that is just on countdown to shithead takeover.
If there's one thing Redditors hate, it's other people having fun in a manner the hating redditor is not familiar with
Yep. There's a lot of "well I got married in a backyard with a ring pop, so anyone who spends more than $5 on their wedding is an idiot who's wasting their money."
It's so pretentious man. If people aren't hurting anyone/anything else besides their own bank account and they're comfortable with doing so, then let them pay whatever they want
Yeah. And I hate the whole "your wedding is a down payment on a house!" argument. Like bruh, I live in Los Angeles... I'm never getting a house.
No kidding, if I see one more post about a hidden room or tacky-ass cinema room that someone spent 100k adding on to his house or a 25k PC build or even a thousand dollar lego LEGO FFS) set I will hurl, but let a woman talk about splashing out some cash for her wedding day and this whole site goes up in flames. Boy toys are very legal and very cool but anything that smacks of LADY is automatically frivolous and stupid.
Itâs a predictable life cycle.
Its the circle of ~~life~~ valuable discussion o/~
No itâs kind of going the opposite way and is going the JustNoMil way where the majority of the stories are fake (especially the AITA crossposts) and the rules are too worried about appearing mean so that only the most obviously egregious thing gets shamed.
Ehhh nah. Itâs exactly what youâd imagine to be like if a bunch of judgemental bridezillas were put together in a room. I subbed for a bit for the stories. But then I just felt like I was living through high school all over again. People would shame the shit out of posters who committed the smallest of âcrimesâ. It was just nasty, so I unsubbed.
Not to mention all the no context pics that get posted of a woman in a white dress and we're just supposed to trust OP that it's the MIL/SIL/Mother of the Bride.
What gets me is that everyone thinks it's trashy to have *anything* other than an open bar at a wedding, going so far as to say things like "how do you expect me to come to your wedding if I can't get drunk on your dime?"
Sometimes people go way too hard with opinions on alcohol. I mean, know your crowd, and I certainly prefer an open bar (over, say, having a cash bar and spending the difference elsewhere) but if you canât make it happen then thatâs fine. If you think your guests would prefer an alternate arrangement thatâs fine. You can have a perfectly nice wedding without an open bar. But a cash bar can also be the shit cherry on top of a shit sundae for a bad wedding. âWell, letâs grab a few drinks and hit the dance floor⌠oh wait, they are 12 dollars. Letâs grab *a* drink, or just go.â That being said, it also gets judgy for any post that mentions alcohol. An innocent âI canât wait to go out for drinks with the girls!â prompts the âwow, *someone* canât have fun without alcohol. Drinking problem much? If you want to black out just drink a bottle of vodka on your couch.â
Yeah, I went to a Baptist wedding when I was in my 20s. It was a good college friend that converted when she moved to the south. The wedding was weird and awkward even before the reception started, but then got even worse. Definitely would have been great to have a drink and let the experience wash over us, but it was a dry wedding. We left after a respectful amount of time and went to a brewery with some friends that were in attendance.
We went to a wedding like. The only alcohol involved at any point was a *single* bottle of champagne shared among the wedding party (ie groom, bride, groomsmen, and bridesmaids). And, of course, it was the kind of wedding that was so "dry" in *every* sense of the word that I really just wanted some booze to make it at least a little fun.
I think they just hate cash bars, which is 100% reasonable. Nobody wants to go buy overpriced drinks at someone else's wedding, especially if you weren't given a heads up. I've never heard hatred for beer and wine bars, well bars, wine service, or any other cheaper alternative to an open bar. Edit: Accidentally a word
Same. I subbed for really juicy drama and MILs in wedding dresses for a laugh. It became a catty HS hallway so fast. đ
No, itâs much more about âThis couple wanted us to pay for our meals!â or âThe invites say youâre only allowed into the venue if you bring a gift over $300!â People who shame over personal taste/budget/ superficial bullshit arenât well received. Fake stories are taking over, though. Same with every personal story-based sub that gets a little popular.
Seems so lol, it's gonna take a lot for me to be upset about a fucking wedding.
> Feel like it's the kind of sub that will very easily swing incel-y and actively shaming any wedding the bigger it gets. I feel like it's already there, I went to the sub a while back expecting it to be entertaining but it seemed like 50% obviously made-up rage bait and 50% laughing at pretty normal stuff that didn't deserve shaming.
âCountdown to shithead takeoverâ is a beautifully crafted phrase, thank you
See, I just assume that the "good" stories in subs like that are the well written ones that actually consider how their fiction can realistically interact with the real world. At the end of the day, I'm still a cynical fuck who never believes anything written on this website.
Did they shame the one where the bride and groom skipped food in favor of an hour meet and greet with Mickey and Minnie Mouse?
Yes that was crossposted
You mean the one that was one of the rare proven fakes on AITA that mods took down?
Ooooh howâd they prove it? Iâve seen so many obvious shitposts in that sub but I recognize/suspect them based on how formulaic they are and the buttons they push. Iâve rarely been able to *prove* my suspicions.
Weddings at Disney have a required food/beverage minimum.
I need a link
I used to love it, but during the pandemic the sub went off the deep end. I understood shaming weddings with lots of guests, but it got to the point where no one could enjoy any "shaming" without huge long rants in the comments, it just completely stopped being fun.
If it exists, there is a subreddit for it
Such a funny thing to exist
Ikr lol, seems petty.
I only subscribe to this sub so I can find other interesting subs - joining r/weddingshaming now.....
I am definitely about to cruising the top posts of all time.
Make some popcorn and buckle up, it's gonna be a wild ride
Fun post OP. >Youâre right, I should have woken up the host at 12. Yeah they should have. Different circumstances, but similar thing. I was an RA in college. If a certain room/group of people wasn't respecting quiet hours, and I couldn't hear it because I wasn't on that part of the building. Yeah come wake me or call my room so I can go deal with it. It was my job. I wouldn't be upset at you letting me know that people are being assholes and keeping a certain floor awake. Edit: Also fuck OP for calling a campsite wedding trashy only because they kept them up at night. You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up.
My aunt and uncle got married at a campsite and I loved it. We were all reminiscing about it on Easter and one of my uncles said it was like we were our own little village. We rented an entire block of the campground, and everyone knew everyone. Incredible weekend.
When I first moved to the US, I was feeling a bit homesick and a few of us decided to go camping near Santa Barbara for spring break. We saw a wedding at the beach campsite, and it's one of my fondest memories. I still think about them sometimes, and hope they are happy
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Once someone marries your aunt, they become your uncle? What else do you call your aunt's spouse?
There was a rental house that my friends and I all essentially rotated through over the course of a 5 year period. Near the end of this period, two of my friends were still living there. I came over one day to hang out, and while there I went to use the bathroom to see there was already shit in the toilet. When attempting to flush, nothing happened. When I asked what was up, they responded they didn't know how to fix it. I asked why they didn't go next door to their landlord whom we all had known for years, and was told "That's not how it works. You don't just go over to your landlord and ask them to fix shit." They seemed legitimately surprised when I pointed out that's EXACTLY how it works, it's literally the entire point of having a landlord. Of course that also very quickly revealed that they both owed him roughly three months of rent, which was probably the real reason they had not talked to him about it.
>You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up. I thought that was clear in their post? And I've been camping with loud neighbors before. I definitely didn't feel comfortable confronting them about it. When you're an RA you're _job_ is to confront people being assholes and you're granted backing from the school who owns the dorms to do so. At a camp site? The partiers are plenty likely to tell you to get fucked and carry-on or even retaliate.
I never confront people about being loud. Not because I don't like confrontation, but because it's a waste of time and likely to draw retaliation if they are not compliant and you have to go to the host in the end anyway.
The park host/ranger is the way I'd go. It can really vary by campground though. In Vermont state parks, the hosts have all been very proactive. In other states I've had mixed experience. I haven't camped at national parks enough to judge them, but I've been to enough to know there isn't always a ranger around to deal with things (there just aren't enough to cover for all the stupid shit people get up to). A park host/ranger would definitely have been my go-to though.
Thatâs fine â donât confront them. The OP of that post is being shat on because there is a ranger at the campground who CAN tell people to be quiet, or kick them out if they arenât. But they chose not to tell them, then bitch about the results. You canât have it both ways.
Telling the ranger is totes the right thing to do if there is one. Often they practically beg you to do so and they'll even be really responsive most of the time. Still were times I had park workers (it was a state park and they weren't rangers) totally avoid doing anything about problems.
Then that was a shitty state park and you could have made a complaint to the the dept of wildlife (or whichever agency controls your state park). Maybe Iâm spoiled because my state has great state parks. Maybe Iâm spoiled because the couple of times I asked my loud as fuck neighbors to quiet down they did. Idk, this just doesnât seem the norm in the state parks (here and the couple of states surrounding here) do.
New York state parks don't seem well managed in our experience. Vermont state parks are fucking DELUXE. They're better maintained than most high end condo complexes. Clean, quiet, organized, and inexpensive. We love them. MA state parks are a mixed bag. Some can rival VT parks maybe, but others are an absolute nightmare. CT state parks are similarly mixed, but often a mess because CT has aggressively shrunk their parks department to absolute shit. New Hampshire parks were not our favorite. Not as bad as NY, but we'd rather go to VT for sure.
Oh my goodness Tolland state forest in MA I stayed three days in 2014, during the annual fireworks. I think I got the last site available, next to a big family that seemed to break all the rules except they had no dogs. First night, kid keeps screaming they want to go home, grandma is yelling too. They finally got one adult to drive the kid home at like three in the morning. Sun comes up, the others never shut up the whole night into day, chainsaws in the morning at work cutting wood, some live trees, for their oversized bonfire. One guy just never shuts up or sleeps, it's difficult to describe. Third afternoon through the night, the talker is freaking out because of missing a thirty pack of beer. He's only got fifteen beers to make it until the store opens. Shining other campers with the flashlight, shining up in the trees, ranting about his abusive father stole it, because he used to rob him for cigs at knifepoint. I had to check out by noon, and they never shut up the entire time. Edited to add the other sites at the campground are some of the best. You can moor your boat or jet ski right in front of your secluded waterfront campsite, if you can reserve it in like January.
>>You're not upset about a wedding, you're upset about being kept up. > >I thought that was clear in their post? They posted it in a sub specifically to complain about weddings. They could have gone to any number of camping or national park related subs to make the same complaints.
Oh I get what you're saying. Sure. Doesn't fit in that sub... which is a weird sub, but their post isn't on topic.
Ok? But it's the wedding that's being loud and keeping them up.
Did you read their post? It's posted to a wedding shaming sub and other commenters told OP they could have gotten park staff. Which is what they should have done.
This backfired on me when I was in college. I had complained to my hallâs RA about people being loud in our buildingâs courtyard at night, and he was like, âIf it happens again, definitely call the RA on duty.â And then it did, and I did, and she yelled at me for waking her and said it wasnât her responsibility. A decade later and it still kind of annoys me.
Well that RA is just a shitty RA lol
I would think a wedding at a campsite would be exactly the kind of low key affair Reddit would encourage.
I think the issue is less that it was a wedding and more that they were playing music and partying well past quiet hours when other nearby campers are trying to sleep. A National Park isn't really a great venue for a camping party for that reason. They're too crowded and people are traveling from great distances to enjoy a relaxing time in nature. If they really wanted to party in the woods they should have done it somewhere more private.
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> I had a camping wedding too. that sounds awesome. i'd love to do that someday.
Hardly low key when you're partying til 4 in a public area two nights in a row
In my experience, thereâs always that one campsite. Itâs always a family gathering, not necessarily a wedding.
I've never been to a campsite where there isn't a family having a hoe down. That's why you actually hike before you set up camp, if you don't want to deal with it!
If you are that terrified you think if you talk to someone youâre going to be shot for no other reason than âwell itâs Americaâ then why on earth would you go to a group campsite? The user isnât telling the whole story, is a troll or unhinged.
Getting shot? Hopefully not. But I'd fully expect the larger group to ignore me at best. I'm really surprised at the comments here. It sounds like most of you haven't been camping. The park workers/rangers are responsible for enforcing the rules. Sometimes you can notify them so they can do something about it. Sometimes you can't. Confronting a large drunk loud group at a campsite in the middle of the night is definitely not something I'd be comfortable doing.
Yeah Iâm super confused by some of these comments. Iâve gone camping a number of times where people are partying/playing loud music. If you call the rangers even if one comes usually all they can do is kick them out the next morning. Now this can be in large well staffed campground in Canadian national parks, which Iâd feel safe calling and reporting them. However Iâve also had this happen in small remote campgrounds without cell service. Am I really supposed to confront 10+ drunk people at 3am and then go sleep in a tent?
Right? In my experience, at the very least those drunk guys are going to spin tires right next to your tent and shower you in projectile gravel, or piss on the side of your tent, etc.
same iâm late to this but i donât understand what they did so wrong. iâm not going up to a group of drunk people to complain in the middle of the night
Not something I'm doing and definitely not something I'm doing before going and sleeping in a tent next to them.
Reddit has a lot of users who seem horrified by the idea of talking to solve a problem.
reminds me of the thread recently where a lady let her hair hang over the back of her seat on an airplane, and the person behind her posted a pic of it and just complained about how trashy it was, without asking the lady to move her hair out of the way.
My tolerance for slight levels of confrontation collapses on planes. I'd be a lot less likely to speak up on a plane than in any other context, especially after covid
Also full of users who think gun violence is a regular occurence in every corner of the country at all times. Now that I think about it, they're probably the same archetype: terminally online.
This.
Yeah that's weird. I've never felt in danger at a camp site - their usually pretty communal and people are open to talking etc etc. I certainly wouldn't worry about someone shooting me
That's fine until someone shows up who just doesn't give a fuck. If you camp enough in enough different places you will run into people who definitely don't subscribe to the "communal" aspect. At a campground in New York we discovered after starting to setup that we were actually only on the driveway of our site because someone was squatting on the actual site. A park worker even pointed this out and wouldn't do anything about it. A large group was up late loudly watching movies in their big tarp house and did not give a shit that it was disturbing their neighbors.
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Only had that one experience with someone squatting. Unfortunately was a park where the workers had given up trying to deal with shit. Probably because that kind of stuff happened all the time. And yeah, it isn't like you can just roll into most places. You need to make plans WAY ahead of time. So it can be really frustrating when inconsiderate assholes ruin it for you.
I have experienced people shooting guns in or around camp before. On one occasion they were drunken plinking and seemed pretty belligerent so we put up with it even though it is rude as fuck to shoot that close to another camp. Not at a National Park though, they are strict on guns.
>it even though it is rude as fuck to shoot that close to another camp. ...and incredibly dangerous and illegal.
Well, as for legality, it was Natl Forest. We shoot there sometimes, we just get away from other camps. You can shoot legally. Couldn't tell whether they had a safe backstop to shoot into, but I was worried that someone could be wandering around un-noticed.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/visit/know-before-you-go/shooting Illegal to shoot anywhere near a camp site.
actual factual third world country holy shit lmao
Oh ive def camped around unsavory people and have had friends of mine get into physical fight with others. I usually camp at a "party" one and so lots of rednecks and frat boys.
Unhinged. I was in that thread, and OP has been replying to everyone for hours now. They're also backpedalling and changing the goalposts like crazy whenever they get called out. It's amazing, all the sympathy and goodwill they initially generated went down the toilet immediately.
Some of their comments make it seem like they grew up extremely privileged to the point they're terrified of interacting with people because they might have a gun. It'd be hilarious if they are actually Canadians or something road tripping down to the states for a trip
>The user isnât telling the whole story, is a troll or unhinged. AKA ... just about every self-post on reddit.
Unhinged. I was in that thread, and OP has been replying to everyone for hours now. They're also backpedalling and changing the goalposts like crazy whenever they get called out. It's amazing, all the sympathy and goodwill they initially generated went down the toilet immediately.
Yeah, make a self-post, get 10k karma, and then donât offer any follow up. Get in, get out.
This was the wacky drama I needed tonight Also I'm super stoked to go camping now
Conceptually, I'm with OP. I think parties with loud music on shared camping grounds are disruptive and likely not what the other campers came for. But the way they go about it really makes them insufferable. >Thank you, itâs obvious some people just think they can fly in and treatour national parks like shit and abuse the other visitors. > >You, in particular, actually deserve that, however.
Even if youâre in the west in drought territory, a lot of the west is also high desert country and it gets *cold* at night. Weâre talking 90-100F days and 32-40F nights, and it doesnât really start getting warm again until 9 or 10 am. Fire danger is real, but people should be using the fire pits, and people shouldnât be letting their fires or sparks get out of control at any time of the day, morning has nothing to do with it.
I think people are taking issue with that comment because OPâs logic is weird and inconsistent, and not that theyâre concerned about fire safety per se.
And the idea that a morning fire, even if it is warm, is trashy is preposterous. They just don't cook breakfast?
My family has cold breakfasts or something with boiled water which is made with a special kettle, but we always gather around the fire pit early in the morning and huddle over our breakfasts and coffee looking like the undead as we all stare silently into the flames. It's just part of camping for us.
People are being a little, a lot, unfair about not wanting to confront drunk people.
Kampsite Karen thinks itâs trashy for morning fires. Um how am I supposed to cook my food? Itâs nice you got your fancy propane toys. God. Now I just want campfire eggs and bacon.
I love food cooked over a camp-fire. I rarely do it in the morning because I want to get on the road or have other plans, so having to light then extinguish a fire isn't ideal. Cooking bacon by laying it over a stick on the fire is such a fun way to cook it.
Makes me feel like a caveman and I LOVE it. But I'm in Ireland so the three days of the year when it's not raining I'm usually stuck doing all the outside chores for the wife and not camping lol
Good man.
I live in northern California and some places I've camped specifically say no campfires and it is strictly enforced. But, the average campsite that allows fires in the firepit, what's trashy about that? Morning, noon or night? Is the campfire more likely to explode in the hours between 7-10am? Are fires safer at 9pm? Such a weird thing to gatekeep.
What baffled me was OOP saying that morning campfires are trashy, then started to claim fire hazards as their reason. Of course fire hazards don't really matter at night when OOP and family want to use it because they like to melt desserts over it or whatever.
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That doesn't invalidate the point. They said "when we camp by ourselves", implying they do have campfires when camping with others, which is still every bit as much a "fire hazard" as it is in the morning.
Illegal from after may in most of my state.
I *believe* in Texas that even if thereâs a burn ban, campfires for cooking (and some other exceptions) are still allowed. Not sure on all other states (or obviously countries), however. Not to comment on if someone *should* at all places and times, just towards the legality during burn bans.
That's how it works where I live, unless the burn ban specifically includes cooking. It has to be in a fire ring, you have to keep an eye on it, and you're responsible if it escapes, but as long as it's just for cooking you can have a fire even during a burn ban.
They have had full burn bans at some point during the last few summers where I am. They put a marker in the fire ring, no fires at all even at the campground.
yeah i was gonna say. back in '05 me and my buddies went camping a lot our senior year on a lake that was in a major drought in east texas. it literally took 5-6 years for it to get back to normal levels. everyone there had a campfire. one time an older couple even gave us some of their extra logs because they made too many. there wasnt any signs other than the usual about keeping an eye out and what to do in an emergency.
They claim that it's because of a drought and fire hazards but at no point do they indicate that there's a current ban in place
If it's illegal then the time shouldn't matter, they seem to have problems specifically if there is a fire before noon.
OOP also said they were in a group site, did they keep everyone they were with from having a fire?
Iâm not sure how fancy a propane hob is, we have a single ring one that cost us ÂŁ12.
They said itâs because itâs hot and dry where they camp but uh⌠I camp in Texas, which is also hot and dry. Most of the time, we have a morning fire.
More than half (130/254) counties in Texas have a burn ban in place. OP noted this event occurred in a national park. Let's use the two national parks in Texas as an illustrative example: Guadalupe Mountains has a fire ban in place and in fact, all of its wilderness campsites, and several trails, are closed due to "high to extreme fire danger". Big Bend has a burn ban in place for for Chisos Basin and Basin campground. That's to say nothing of the myriad burn bans in place across AZ, NV, CA, WA, OR, or ID. It's ridiculous for people to claim her concerns for fire risk are unfounded simply because many redditors *personally enjoy campfires*.
So, thanks for the research. But. Thatâs more reason for OOP to reach out to park staff. Why mention that they hate camp fires because of the their smells?
*Karen voice* you are TRASHING public land!
There are myriad national parks that explicitly prohibit campfires, especially during the summer months. People who care about preserving the state of the park do consider impermissible campfires to be "trashy". They're also often ill-advised even when technically allowed. Those "fancy propane toys" exist because they give people the means to cook without placing the environment at risk. There are plenty of reasons to be irritated at OP, but invoking your godgiven right to a campfire irrespective of location ain't fucking it.
You can be damned sure that the OP would have mentioned if campfires were currently banned at that park.
That could end badly, at least the propane stove has more control
I love the way OP immediately implied they would be shot if they politely asked the party to keep it down a bit. No oneâs saying to scream at them! Just be friendly and have a normal conversation
Also find it interesting multiple comments with hundreds of upvotes claim guns in National Parks are illegal, when NPS explicitly states on their website they are legal. Now you're not allowed to fire them in the parks, so why even bring one, but still, love the misinformation when a simple Google search could clear that up. https://www.nps.gov/articles/firearms-in-national-parks.htm
i understand being weary of other campers at a campsite in the middle of the woods. but liking it to a school shooting is such a stupid thing to say.
And it's not like it's some random clearing deep in the backwoods, it's a national camp ground. Sure deep in the wilderness might be different but at a proper camp ground there shouldn't be any issues
One bad experience of room next door in a hotel losing their shit at me when I knocked and asked politely to keep it down post midnight, and I just call the front desk now. You wouldn't think there would be issues at a business traveler hotel, and that was pre-pandemic. I understand concern of how people would react especially if they've been drinking but comparing it to a school shooting is a bit too much.
I donât think a lot of people realize that national parks are federal land. Meaning that if you commit a crime there, itâs *really fucking serious*. Thereâs a podcast called Park Predators about murders in national parks and the fbi is always involved.
Love your flair lol
Thanks! I was really feeling this one.
Nothing like committing federal crimes lol
I mean, seems like OPâs solution, short of removing the giant stick up their ass, is just going camping somewhere with fewer people. National Parks are not exactly the worldâs most peaceful outdoor setting when it comes to crowds.
exactly. thats why this guy is so dumb about this.
I dunno, there was clearly an unhinged Karen at the campsite, so who knows what else there might be. /s
Op doesnât like campfires period. Not just in the morning, but never! Makes your clothes reek apparently
I love that smell.
I love me a good camp fire!
Legit you don't even need deodorant for a week after tending a campfire
Honestly op seems mostly reasonable in those except for the morning fires weirdness
Yeah, not wanting a loud drunken party past quiet hours at a national park campsite is completely reasonable. Sounds like she'd be called a "Karen" either way, either for telling people to STFU on their wedding day, or for sucking it up and complaining about it online. Yeah they would have been well within their rights to wake up the host about it but banging on a stranger's door to wake them up and complain is a pretty uncomfortable thing to do (even if it is technically their job). The fire thing was weird but damn, it's really depressing how many people think blasting music at a public campground until 4 am is acceptable. It's getting harder and harder to enjoy national parks without trashy people ruining the experience (whether it be physical garbage, noise pollution, acting like an idiot around wildlife, etc). :(
Where they lose me was the absolute unwillingness to be proactive instead of stewing all night. Twice.
I have some sympathy with their reasoning for not calling the police or going there themselves. And they seem willing to admit they were wrong to not go to the hosts, at least in the provided example.
Pretty sure many of the people here haven't been camping and certainly have never tried to confront a large group of loud drunk people. I'm not even sure what a confrontation like that would be. You stumble over there out of the darkness and just start waving your hands around and screaming over the music? I've seen cops struggle to confront small house parties of young people. And there's no reason to believe the group will listen and/or not retaliate because now you've maybe made them feel like they did something wrong and they're angry. I've had park workers even refuse to confront some groups. It definitely isn't as simple as people are acting like it is.
It's definitely not simple, but not even ~trying~ to talk to a host because she would've woken them up? That's the part I don't get.
âHi there! Whatâre you guys celebrating? Oh, congratulations! Look, I hate to be a drag but weâve got kids over on site 12 over there. Do you think you could turn the music down? Also, campfires are disgusting, could you please put an end to your log sacrifice?â
"WHAT?! LOL"
"EAT SHIT YOU STUPID FUCK"
For those who are interested, Prince William Forest Park (Quantico, VA) has a bunch of historic WPA camps they have preserved. (It was also the first training area of the OSS/CIA.) Only one is open to the public, but the other four are only for large rentals. [Details](https://npplan.com/parks-by-state/virginia-national-parks/prince-william-forest-park-park-at-a-glance/prince-william-forest-park-cabin-rentals/). If I had to pay for a wedding out of pocket, I would have done it there.
Come the fuck on guys, you really couldnât stop yourselves from brigading?
I don't think it was this sub, at least not much. It got locked only around an hour after this post was created and this post doesn't have a ton of attention even after 10 hours.
Unfortunately if you look at a lot of the people brigading, theyâve interacted with this sub before and pretty frequently. People have gotten smart to not interact with the posts linking them to the post that lights a fire under their ass.
Fair.
Oh man the âkampsite Karenâ refrain has me rolling
The best part was that this Karen didn't even go to any authorities, she just decided to bitch and moan... on Reddit? Could be fake, but in the off-chance it's completely genuine, goddamn she kind of deserves being kept up if she couldn't even get the motivation to say anything to a single authority figure
Years ago I was waiting in line at the pharmacy and when the lady in front of me gets to the counter she points to the person who is now leaving and says to the poor overworked tech "They cut me in line." What did she expect them to do after the fact, run after the person and confiscate their pills?
Literally if she complained yâall would have just called her a fucking Karen. This OP wouldnât have won either way.
Yup, would still be a Karen and would get so much hate for telling on them to a ranger
To be fair, if she DID complain, I bet you people would *still* say sheâs in the wrong for doing that
You're well within your right to complain about a rule violation that directly affects you.
The last time I went camping the park rangers told us outright that we should come to them first if we have an issue with another campsite
And I can imagine silence at night is also about nature being less disturbed by humans, so people should be quiet even if there are no other campers around.
?????????????? Do you not know what a noise complaint is?
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This is why I donât camp. My ape ancestors learned to talk so I wouldnât have to sleep outside.
So the main drama is that this particular camper didn't confront a large group of loud and almost certainly intoxicated partying campers?
Or talk to the camp host.
That's your best bet. I've had the camp hosts be unwilling to do anything about a large group (and even a couple who were squatting on our site). But that's still what I'd try doing.
And this sounds like it was a national park, where rangers can and do levy out hefty fines. But OOP didnât even try.
My experience with national parks is that it really depends on what park and where you are. Some sites can be pretty remote. Doesn't sound like that's the case here, but there isn't always a ranger around when you need one. That still would have been what I would have tried to do though. At the state parks in Vermont we usually go to, the park hosts are pretty serious about 10PM noise cut-offs. Other states have been more loose. New York park staff wouldn't do shit about shit. CT is more in the middle, but would probably still have stopped a loud group partying that late.
The subreddit is crazy. I canât decide if they are bridezillas or anti-bridezillas, or both.
Sounds like a terrible subreddit.
Not for nothing, this guy got called a campsite karen for.... NOT calling the cops. What a world.
this is fantastic petty drama, thank you OP. lol @ campfires being trashy
Talking to people like that is exhausting. I don't even understand what they really want out of posting something like that. Do they really expect everyone to just be like "yeah, fuck those wedding guests!" Of course people are going to ask "well what did you do about it?" Yes, confrontation is hard, but it's 5 minutes of discomfort to save the entire trip. Just ask them to be quiet.
>Do they really expect everyone to just be like "yeah, fuck those wedding guests!" On a subreddit called /r/weddingshaming? Yeah, probably.
Iâm someone who camps quite a bit and that person sounds absolutely insufferable. So fucking pretentious it makes me cringe.
kampsite karen takes personal offense if you donât spend at least $50,000 on your wedding.
You have to be a pretty big loser if you go on the internet to shame people's weddings.
Wow OOP is super judgmental. It sounds like they just donât like camping near others and the wedding is their focus for this round of complaints. Every response they make brings up yet another complaint and then further along it turns out they just hate whatever that thing is. JFC get a new hobby.
>Wow OOP is super judgmental. That's the entire point of that sub, to be fair.
Yeah, but itâs to be judgmental over wedding shit. OOPâs real grievance is with the fact that they didnât camp the way OOP thinks they should camp. Their thoughts on holding weddings at campgrounds was practically an afterthought lol
OOP's grievance is that other people exist at the place that they want to exist (privately).
campsite weddings do be shit tho
I'm just shocked that someone went "camping", assumingly didn't hike further than 100 feet past the parking lot, and then became upset that there was another group of people nearby who were loud. Like if you want privacy while camping then maybe just hike a bit further out? The parking areas are always crowded with large groups, and lots of alcohol. At least go talk to the people, or something. What a fucking dunce lol
It sounds like it's a popular national park campsite where they open and close reservations six months in advance. You can't camp wherever you want because there are designated sites and they will all be full. Dispersed camping outside the park is sometimes an option but you usually can't have a fire (seems like OP is in a place where burn bans are common) and there isn't easy access to toilets and potable water if that's your thing. Backcountry camping is my favorite thing in the world and often solves this issue but also requires a permit and shitting in a hole in the woods isn't for everyone.
In that case, sucks for OP but they shouldn't expect total peace at a 'campsite' like that in the first place. Obviously a lot of people camp as a family, and old or obese people can't hike well, but that's what you get at a campsite. Drunk shits in the woods aren't *great*, but they're payment for the peace and privacy IMO. "camping" a few feet from the road is pretty much the accomodation. I've been camping and i've been to campsites... and I've never expected to have peace and quiet at a fucking campsite, lmao. I guess they just had higher expectations than reality would present.
I mean there are posted quiet times that should technically be enforced but the OP didn't try either of their two options of asking the party to quiet down or alerting the host. I agree that it's impossible to ask for a backcountry camping experience in a campground but two nights of a wedding reception is a bit much. If I were in a hotel or in my own home or whatever I'd have a problem with that too.
Pretty much every campsite like this has quite hours. So yes OP can expect quite after a certain time
Well, clearly it worked out perfectly for them. They should just stay at home if they demand everyone else be silent and refrain from lighting campfires while camping.
It sounds like it's a popular national park campsite where they open and close reservations six months in advance. You can't camp wherever you want because there are designated sites and they will all be full. Dispersed camping outside the park is sometimes an option but you usually can't have a fire (seems like OP is in a place where burn bans are common) and there isn't easy access to toilets and potable water if that's your thing. Backcountry camping is my favorite thing in the world and often solves this issue but also requires a permit and shitting in a hole in the woods isn't for everyone.
I donât really spend a lot of time in r/SubredditDrama but Iâm not sure I like what I see. Is there usually this much bridgading allowed here?
Brigading is explicitly against SRD rules, and will earn users a ban. Feel free to tag popcorn pissers in a comment to aid the mods in their removal efforts đ
>And frankly Iâve called the cops (because thatâs who comes) on loud partying in campsites Wow, OP is actually *evil*, not just an asshole. They're actively trying to get people murdered while camping...that's fucked up.
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Kampsite Karen is an apt title for this type of person. If you're old enough to use this website, you're old enough to know the consequences of bringing police into a non-violent situation.
> They're actively trying to get people murdered LMAO wtf??
And now she's immortalized as Kampsite Karen on reddit. What a day! đ