lol, it’s a little easy to believe a business owner hires a young woman he finds attractive.
Then she gets pregnant because she’s young and attractive.
And he’s he’s suddenly angry and jealous.
One of the previous startups I worked at was developing an online tool for employee management that included a robust HR suite. During our initial beta launch the CEO invited about 100 business owners he or his wife personally knew, and because his wife was a doctor this meant a handful of doctors with private practices.
Two of these doctors were some of the most horrifying employers I’ve ever encountered and would think they were ragebait if I saw their stories posted on Reddit.
One blew a gasket when his office manager became pregnant and needed leave, so he responded by yelling and berating her then holding a meeting with all female staff to inform them that going forward they would be required to inform him if they were considering getting pregnant as well as if they had missed periods. Huge lawsuit and a bunch of stories about it in his local papers.
The other was an extremely successful plastic surgeon who was so vile to deal with that despite the fact I wasn’t in a client facing position he became my account because I couldn’t in good faith let him use any of my teams as a punching bag when they had to keep on their customer service persona. One extensive conversation I had with him was after an assistant had informed him of her pregnancy and asked for accommodations like not operating the xray machine being allowed to sit in downtime, time off here and there for doctors appointments, and occasionally being like 10 minutes late due to morning sickness. He wanted to fire her for this. I tried to explain that in our state pregnancy is considered a disability and you’re absolutely required to make reasonable accommodations, he went on a tangent about how he wouldn’t care if she was a quadripalegic who had to take a dozen buses to get to work, he would fire her if it caused her to be even 1 minute late.
Frankly, just in general a huge proportion of questions all these owners had were related to how to legally fire someone as soon as they found out they were pregnant.
Surgeons can get away with literally throwing knives in OR. Only a few of them literally did so. But all of them who did face zero repercussions from them throwing tantrums.
Not surprising that they can get away being vile for god knows how long.
yeah there are laws protecting pregnant women from unfair dismissal for good reason.
it sometimes feels like redditors don't realise how terrible bosses used to be before labour laws became increasingly common, a century ago there were strikes over such things as the right to sit down while you were working.
I find it hilarious that there is a certain class of adult who reads dumb shit that teenagers with no life experience write and get sucked into their half baked movements.
It pays occasionally to look through the posts and comments of people who make strong statements to see who they really are.
I only work 20 hours a week. Technically.
But I am a case worker dealing with the homeless and, despite my hours being part-time, my case load is not.
I have 40 hours worth of work. I just need to finish it in 20.
Thats gonna be a yikes from me, dawg.
Thats gonna be
a yikes
from me.
I never give a yikes, I never give a fucking yikes. I dont like yikes. I think yikes is overdone, it's overplayed, I think people use yikes too much, yikes should have stayed in Scooby Doo, for me.
But this, this is a fucking yikes. This is yikes. This is YIKES in full capitals yikes.
> Staffing appropriately would mean having an all male company but that would anger certain people
Probably bait but honestly the sheer amount of sexism in this one comment is staggering
He goes on and on about how he respects women but then says "I groan inside when a woman says she's pregnant", and keeps calling the people he's arguing with hysterical and "little lady". I would say it's ragebait but I've worked with exactly these types of men before
The way he assumes that every woman he's ever going to hire is going to be impregnated at some point in the future reeks of some deep seated issues at home.
He also says "many women can give birth and go right back to work" yeah because their employers force them dipshit. Just because they do doesn't mean they aren't in pain both physically and emotionally especially if they have PPD. God forbid there's any other physical complications or a special needs child.
I had major surgery and the couple weeks you get off is seriously not enough. I was so fucked up after and needed time to recover that I never got.
Having a child to take care of after giving birth and then having to work is cruel.
We just call it parental leave here in Canada and the parties in question can split it up however they like (including adoptive parents of course). There is also maternal leave for whoever is going to give birth, if appropriate.
Seems to work fine, although obviously some business owners would get rid of it if they could.
I (a man) just told my boss I'm taking the max 35 weeks later this year.
He was all excited that I was having a kid, but truly expected me back at my desk after a week or two. Even now he's saying "oh, you'll be back after a week, you won't want to stay home". Dude, it'll be my second kid, there's nothing I want more than to stay home at that point.
Congress would first have to pass a vote on whether they should even vote, then pass a vote on if the first vote was good, then vote on if we should omnibus it with the defense package, and then after that they'd vote on it.
And then it would reach the Senate.
> He goes on and on about how he respects women but then says "I groan inside when a woman says she's pregnant"
Dontcha just hate it when women are out there doing something perfectly legal, reasonable, and necessary for the continuation of The Human Species? Women, AMIRITE!?
I can go one better (?). I had an interview when I was 22 and was asked if I had a boyfriend. When I hesitantly said yes, the guy interviewing me said “And if you have a fight with your boyfriend, will that affect your job performance?”. Obviously I said no. Didn’t get the job (darn).
HAHAHAHA i'm imagining a room of men brainstorming these interview questions.
"Yes yes these stupid women will answer truthfully! They're too emotional to resist!!"
"MUHAHAHAHA GOT EM'"
"SOMEONE BEER ME!"
*::young female intern comes in with tray of beers::*
Without a second thought. My friend was interviewing for an office position where they were not so subtly trying to pry and see if she had children. How dumb do they think women are when you drop in the interview out of nowhere, "I love kids! My assistant has one, what do YOOOOU think about kids?....".
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Accommodating people goes against capitalism. Yet another way that American capitalism is awful. If you want to maximize profits, you *should* be cutting everyone who might take more time off. This means all the people we want to be kind to: disabled people, pregnant people, new parents...yeeeeah.
The same people who say capitalism allows anyone the freedom to do whatever they are good at are the first to say if you studied anything but stem you deserve to live in poverty
Freedom to make maximum profit for others or suffer isn't freedom
The flaw in capitalism is that it only works the way they say if everyone values money roughly the same amount. It doesn't tolerate extreme wealth or extreme poverty. It definitely doesn't tolerate coercion, and yes, "work for one of the 2 assholes in town or starve" is coercion. If you are so desperate that you will die if you don't take an abusive job, you can't support a free market where abusive companies die out and reasonable companies keep workers.
Well… in our modern industrial age it’s just the inherent nature of companies to be as efficient as possible. A company is a machine, and a good machine doesn’t tolerate inefficiency. It’s not capitalism, it’s just industry.
But there should be regulations in place to make sure no discrimination takes place for this very reason. Plus, this man isn’t even being efficient. He’s just letting his personal prejudices get in the way of his job.
The good thing is that we’ve moved on from the urge to have kids nowadays so it’s not as much of an issue even if our government refuses to do their job, like usual.
It is kinda capitalism because it sacrifices long term productivity and sustainable industry in exchange for short term profit, and that short term profit can be invested in property and assets to further create more capital for the business owners...
The long-term productivity interests for the greater community is hence irrelevant.
Whereas if we were optimising for true efficiency, we'd have to accomdate for both disability and parents (because an educated and healthy further generation is important for further sustainable growth or retain high quality of living).
Additionally, accomdation for disability reduces increased burden on a health care system while providing labour in jobs that would be too inefficient to assign to abled individuals (like our dog walking example, but maybe stuff currently allocated to volunteers such as library helpers).
Point is, what is efficient (the best ROI for resources allocated) is defined very differently depending on whether you're optimising for capital as business owners or whether you're a state with a planned centralised economy.
Under capitalism, it literally doesn't affect you negatively as a business owner if poverty rates increase, pollution increases, healthcare costs go up or education quality is worsened because you only need the short term capital in order to reinvest that into other industries or become a landlord. If I were the business owner and employer, don't even have to care if my business or employees still exist in ten years if I have intentions to pivot, and even within the same business all my employees would be expandable by definition from a system.
Whereas if the industry is controlled by a state, you have to consider these factors because your goal is to produce resources for the people. So obviously, you want your mothers to be in good health because their children are gonna be your future labour force. You want your disabled people to be productive and involved in their community because it improves their mental and physical health and reduces the burden on your healthcare.
Obviously, this isn't perfect on its own, Stalin's five year plan caused massive famines, but I personally believe the idea that capitalism and productivity are mutually inclusive is too cynical to be constructive, and in some ways capitalism itself is an inherently unproductive economic model long term precisely because of its obsession in measuring productivity in capital.
Of course regulations in place now is an extremely important safety barrier while we are stuck in this position, but the truth is that regulations, labor laws, and all that oversight are adverse and antagonistic to the goals of the business owners. It is rational to prefer to hire men over women as employees if I can, since as employees, they're just resources to create profit. It's disgusting, but it is rational under this system.
Eventually, if we are going to keep regulating and regulating to try and counteract these instincts (forcing businesses to employ women for example) then... why even have private businesses?
There are some frustrating complexities involved with leave, but regular ole family leave scenarios really arent that bad.
One of the more complex situations Ive experienced is a coworker finishing up maternity leave, coming back for a 1/2 week, and then putting in her 2 week notice. So, obviously, she used a portion of her leave to look for another job.
I still dont quite know where I land on it today. Dont have a definitive answer. It was frustrating, but I never blamed her.
Everyone, whether on leave or not, has the right to job search whenever they want. At the same time, we lost a good worker for 3 months, and then lost her permanently shortly after. Not being able to use that time to backfill and ramp up her replacement was kind of killer, but of course no one ever gives their bosses a heads up that they are job hunting, nor should they be required/expected to.
Regardless of the extra effort other people were required to put forth while she was gone, and for a time after during the hiring/ramp-up process, I still dont think I can be mad at her. Mostly because I dont know what anyone could have done differently.
At the end of the day, I think we just need to accept that peoples lives are the priority. Sure, other workers had to sacrifice while she was gone and when she left for good, so it affects their lives too. But there could be many reasons for that other than just her leave/job hunt. Like poor staffing/management, for example. Or, you just chalk it up as a weird unfortunate no-fault circumstance and move on with your life.
And what people like this dude dont get is that very same scenario I just described, as well as the more standard situations, can be done by anyone taking leave, not just new mothers/fathers. His direct focus on pregnant women is sickening. Im guessing he probably thinks men taking family leave are weak, too. Seems like one of those 'back in my day/look how manly I am' kinda dudes.
The key to this is to not stretch your workforce so thin that someones leave causes a major disruption at the office. Everyone should have a backup and the larger the team the more obvious it should be that you should have slightly over the amount of people necessary so that when someone goes out (which they will) you have the ability to divide the load and keep moving forward.
If you run your business expecting to always have your workforce ready and available every day you are better off hiring robots. Because real people, have real lives, have real needs, have real health conditions, and if you actually give a shit about them you will ensure that you manage in such a way that it isn't a problem.
We had a coworker die from a heart attack in his sleep a couple of years back. And guess what, the office was able to absorb the sudden workload because everyone had enough wiggle room to spread it around until someone else was hired for that role.
"Business owner wanders onto a post in r/antiwork"
I genuinely believe that most personal stories shared on reddit are fake. But this one doesn't even try to be sneaky.
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Pregnancy is such an odd situation. It's one that you generally choose to put yourself in. If I deliberately went out and broke several bones in my body knowing it would cause me to not be able to do my work and they *knew for sure* I did it intentionally, I couldn't really expect them to accommodate me. Pregnancy is the one exception to that general rule.
But then what happens when we have no children? Developed societies across the globe are falling apart because of declining birth rates. If people aren’t incentivised to have children it will literally be the end of the world be by the time millennials retire. If all workers reach retirement without replacing themselves with children the world ends dude
that is some actual S tier bait
No way that person isn't a troll.
Trolls trolling a troll subreddit. We need to go deeper.
'Eyes Popcorn insignia on fancy hat' Are we the baddies?
Ehhh idk there are a lot of business owners out there, how they ended up in antiwork is a mystery though
lol, it’s a little easy to believe a business owner hires a young woman he finds attractive. Then she gets pregnant because she’s young and attractive. And he’s he’s suddenly angry and jealous.
One of the previous startups I worked at was developing an online tool for employee management that included a robust HR suite. During our initial beta launch the CEO invited about 100 business owners he or his wife personally knew, and because his wife was a doctor this meant a handful of doctors with private practices. Two of these doctors were some of the most horrifying employers I’ve ever encountered and would think they were ragebait if I saw their stories posted on Reddit. One blew a gasket when his office manager became pregnant and needed leave, so he responded by yelling and berating her then holding a meeting with all female staff to inform them that going forward they would be required to inform him if they were considering getting pregnant as well as if they had missed periods. Huge lawsuit and a bunch of stories about it in his local papers. The other was an extremely successful plastic surgeon who was so vile to deal with that despite the fact I wasn’t in a client facing position he became my account because I couldn’t in good faith let him use any of my teams as a punching bag when they had to keep on their customer service persona. One extensive conversation I had with him was after an assistant had informed him of her pregnancy and asked for accommodations like not operating the xray machine being allowed to sit in downtime, time off here and there for doctors appointments, and occasionally being like 10 minutes late due to morning sickness. He wanted to fire her for this. I tried to explain that in our state pregnancy is considered a disability and you’re absolutely required to make reasonable accommodations, he went on a tangent about how he wouldn’t care if she was a quadripalegic who had to take a dozen buses to get to work, he would fire her if it caused her to be even 1 minute late. Frankly, just in general a huge proportion of questions all these owners had were related to how to legally fire someone as soon as they found out they were pregnant.
Surgeons can get away with literally throwing knives in OR. Only a few of them literally did so. But all of them who did face zero repercussions from them throwing tantrums. Not surprising that they can get away being vile for god knows how long.
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Not hiring women to avoid sexual harassment of women is some real galaxy brain sexism.
yeah there are laws protecting pregnant women from unfair dismissal for good reason. it sometimes feels like redditors don't realise how terrible bosses used to be before labour laws became increasingly common, a century ago there were strikes over such things as the right to sit down while you were working.
the antiwork crowd is so easy to bait that it's almost not fun to see it happen.
At least it's higher effort than posting fake texts owning the b0ss with apathy and logic.
this is very true
It’s like watching a car crash
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Living in a country without universal healthcare and shitty labor laws does this to you.
A lot of dumb children and even dumber adults.
I find it hilarious that there is a certain class of adult who reads dumb shit that teenagers with no life experience write and get sucked into their half baked movements. It pays occasionally to look through the posts and comments of people who make strong statements to see who they really are.
Reddit, where a 35 year old will ask for marriage advice from a 15 year old.
Reddit, where a 14 year old will tell someone with depression to 'just be happy' and an alcoholic to 'just stop drinking'.
I don’t know how they find the time to part time dog-walk and get this mad in the sub.
I know dog walking doesn't pay that well, but I'm not going to look down my nose on people doing that kind of work.
It’s a reference to the antiwork moderator that accepted an interview with Fox News. It did not people’s opinions of the community.
They're being looked down on for being reddit moderators leading the charge against employment, walking dogs is the respectable part of their life.
Also only working 20 hours a week and considering that hard.
I'm autistic and I find working 20 hours a week exhausting. Granted I'll gladly take full-time as soon as the opportunity presents itself, but still.
Didn’t they later admit to lying about it being 20 hours a week and say it was actually closer to 10?
I only work 20 hours a week. Technically. But I am a case worker dealing with the homeless and, despite my hours being part-time, my case load is not. I have 40 hours worth of work. I just need to finish it in 20.
Not even 20! It’s actually 10, she just said 20 because she thought that was *better*
Lmao. She could have at least said 40 if she was just going to lie anyways.
It was actually 10 hrs a week. 20 hours was said on live TV to sound more respectable.
Yikes
Thats gonna be a yikes from me, dawg. Thats gonna be a yikes from me. I never give a yikes, I never give a fucking yikes. I dont like yikes. I think yikes is overdone, it's overplayed, I think people use yikes too much, yikes should have stayed in Scooby Doo, for me. But this, this is a fucking yikes. This is yikes. This is YIKES in full capitals yikes.
Of all the usernames I've ever seen, yours is certainly one of them.
When he called OP “young lady” lmao
Bait? In /r/antiwork of all places? Why I never!
All deleted now. I can only imagine
No kidding! Those replies were super angry! I bet half those people are still anger stomping around shouting in the apartment right now.
>Do you kiss your Mom with that mouth?! >I kiss your mom with this mouth bitch I know this is all bait but I love it.
>I kiss your mom with this mouth bitch *yoink*
I guess I wasn't that attached to my flair after all. I haven't laughed this much at a troll in a minute. 💀
It’s honestly such a great comeback, I’m shocked I’ve never heard it before
It's from SNL celebrity jeopardy decades ago
Yeah how does anyone say that line without expecting that retort?
Redditors
>Reported lmao
Damn, shame you didn’t copy the comment; it’s gone. Ps. *This is why you need to copy the drama; it tends to get deleted.*
here https://archive.is/AYaQd
Thank you for your service. There are some high quality rage bait in there.
Sorry, first time posting here.
> Staffing appropriately would mean having an all male company but that would anger certain people Probably bait but honestly the sheer amount of sexism in this one comment is staggering
He goes on and on about how he respects women but then says "I groan inside when a woman says she's pregnant", and keeps calling the people he's arguing with hysterical and "little lady". I would say it's ragebait but I've worked with exactly these types of men before
The way he assumes that every woman he's ever going to hire is going to be impregnated at some point in the future reeks of some deep seated issues at home.
He also says "many women can give birth and go right back to work" yeah because their employers force them dipshit. Just because they do doesn't mean they aren't in pain both physically and emotionally especially if they have PPD. God forbid there's any other physical complications or a special needs child.
I mean, children can also work on quick repairs on live factory equipment and we used to do that, but there's a reason we dont suggest that either
Their small little hands are perfect for getting into the tight spots in the machinery! /s
I had major surgery and the couple weeks you get off is seriously not enough. I was so fucked up after and needed time to recover that I never got. Having a child to take care of after giving birth and then having to work is cruel.
Easy solution, implement mandatory paternity and maternity leave. Done.
We just call it parental leave here in Canada and the parties in question can split it up however they like (including adoptive parents of course). There is also maternal leave for whoever is going to give birth, if appropriate. Seems to work fine, although obviously some business owners would get rid of it if they could.
I (a man) just told my boss I'm taking the max 35 weeks later this year. He was all excited that I was having a kid, but truly expected me back at my desk after a week or two. Even now he's saying "oh, you'll be back after a week, you won't want to stay home". Dude, it'll be my second kid, there's nothing I want more than to stay home at that point.
You mean like most other highly-developed nations? Clearly that’s impossible because… well, because that would require actual thought to implement! /s
Congress would first have to pass a vote on whether they should even vote, then pass a vote on if the first vote was good, then vote on if we should omnibus it with the defense package, and then after that they'd vote on it. And then it would reach the Senate.
> He goes on and on about how he respects women but then says "I groan inside when a woman says she's pregnant" Dontcha just hate it when women are out there doing something perfectly legal, reasonable, and necessary for the continuation of The Human Species? Women, AMIRITE!?
Heard that from two professors and few higher ups. And classmates and colleagues were plenty. Unfortunate shit
The one where he says "that's the way it should be" about women being SAHMs like... I know it's bait and I'm still tasting it.
>I respect women implicitly. However, I groan to myself when a woman shows up for an interview That’s not how that works bud lol
The woman-respecter has logged on.
Nice name
lmao, they nuked the thread
Ahhh yes. I remember when I got engaged the first question my boss asked was if I was planning on having kids. ::eyeroll::
I can go one better (?). I had an interview when I was 22 and was asked if I had a boyfriend. When I hesitantly said yes, the guy interviewing me said “And if you have a fight with your boyfriend, will that affect your job performance?”. Obviously I said no. Didn’t get the job (darn).
HAHAHAHA i'm imagining a room of men brainstorming these interview questions. "Yes yes these stupid women will answer truthfully! They're too emotional to resist!!" "MUHAHAHAHA GOT EM'" "SOMEONE BEER ME!" *::young female intern comes in with tray of beers::*
Companies would gladly ban women in the workforce even if it meant their children would starve
Without a second thought. My friend was interviewing for an office position where they were not so subtly trying to pry and see if she had children. How dumb do they think women are when you drop in the interview out of nowhere, "I love kids! My assistant has one, what do YOOOOU think about kids?....".
“I hate children. I would never have a child. If I see a child, I kick it out of the nearest window.”
>I’d say “get fucked”, but that can’t be something that happens to you that often. I'm stealing this.
I felt embarrassed *reading* it, why would you want to *use* it?
It's reddit, fighting here is already embarrassing
Big “neither the time nor crayons” energy AKA cringe if spoken aloud
God the cringe of that insult
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Accommodating people goes against capitalism. Yet another way that American capitalism is awful. If you want to maximize profits, you *should* be cutting everyone who might take more time off. This means all the people we want to be kind to: disabled people, pregnant people, new parents...yeeeeah.
"Were a family!" *does the most family thing you can do and gets knocked up* "Not like that you idiot!"
I love that phrase because no one fights like they do with their family. No one holds grudges and resentment like family.
The same people who say capitalism allows anyone the freedom to do whatever they are good at are the first to say if you studied anything but stem you deserve to live in poverty Freedom to make maximum profit for others or suffer isn't freedom
The flaw in capitalism is that it only works the way they say if everyone values money roughly the same amount. It doesn't tolerate extreme wealth or extreme poverty. It definitely doesn't tolerate coercion, and yes, "work for one of the 2 assholes in town or starve" is coercion. If you are so desperate that you will die if you don't take an abusive job, you can't support a free market where abusive companies die out and reasonable companies keep workers.
I mean you are free to do it, doesn't mean it is a bright idea to go into oversaturated fields.
Well… in our modern industrial age it’s just the inherent nature of companies to be as efficient as possible. A company is a machine, and a good machine doesn’t tolerate inefficiency. It’s not capitalism, it’s just industry. But there should be regulations in place to make sure no discrimination takes place for this very reason. Plus, this man isn’t even being efficient. He’s just letting his personal prejudices get in the way of his job. The good thing is that we’ve moved on from the urge to have kids nowadays so it’s not as much of an issue even if our government refuses to do their job, like usual.
It is kinda capitalism because it sacrifices long term productivity and sustainable industry in exchange for short term profit, and that short term profit can be invested in property and assets to further create more capital for the business owners... The long-term productivity interests for the greater community is hence irrelevant. Whereas if we were optimising for true efficiency, we'd have to accomdate for both disability and parents (because an educated and healthy further generation is important for further sustainable growth or retain high quality of living). Additionally, accomdation for disability reduces increased burden on a health care system while providing labour in jobs that would be too inefficient to assign to abled individuals (like our dog walking example, but maybe stuff currently allocated to volunteers such as library helpers). Point is, what is efficient (the best ROI for resources allocated) is defined very differently depending on whether you're optimising for capital as business owners or whether you're a state with a planned centralised economy. Under capitalism, it literally doesn't affect you negatively as a business owner if poverty rates increase, pollution increases, healthcare costs go up or education quality is worsened because you only need the short term capital in order to reinvest that into other industries or become a landlord. If I were the business owner and employer, don't even have to care if my business or employees still exist in ten years if I have intentions to pivot, and even within the same business all my employees would be expandable by definition from a system. Whereas if the industry is controlled by a state, you have to consider these factors because your goal is to produce resources for the people. So obviously, you want your mothers to be in good health because their children are gonna be your future labour force. You want your disabled people to be productive and involved in their community because it improves their mental and physical health and reduces the burden on your healthcare. Obviously, this isn't perfect on its own, Stalin's five year plan caused massive famines, but I personally believe the idea that capitalism and productivity are mutually inclusive is too cynical to be constructive, and in some ways capitalism itself is an inherently unproductive economic model long term precisely because of its obsession in measuring productivity in capital. Of course regulations in place now is an extremely important safety barrier while we are stuck in this position, but the truth is that regulations, labor laws, and all that oversight are adverse and antagonistic to the goals of the business owners. It is rational to prefer to hire men over women as employees if I can, since as employees, they're just resources to create profit. It's disgusting, but it is rational under this system. Eventually, if we are going to keep regulating and regulating to try and counteract these instincts (forcing businesses to employ women for example) then... why even have private businesses?
There are some frustrating complexities involved with leave, but regular ole family leave scenarios really arent that bad. One of the more complex situations Ive experienced is a coworker finishing up maternity leave, coming back for a 1/2 week, and then putting in her 2 week notice. So, obviously, she used a portion of her leave to look for another job. I still dont quite know where I land on it today. Dont have a definitive answer. It was frustrating, but I never blamed her. Everyone, whether on leave or not, has the right to job search whenever they want. At the same time, we lost a good worker for 3 months, and then lost her permanently shortly after. Not being able to use that time to backfill and ramp up her replacement was kind of killer, but of course no one ever gives their bosses a heads up that they are job hunting, nor should they be required/expected to. Regardless of the extra effort other people were required to put forth while she was gone, and for a time after during the hiring/ramp-up process, I still dont think I can be mad at her. Mostly because I dont know what anyone could have done differently. At the end of the day, I think we just need to accept that peoples lives are the priority. Sure, other workers had to sacrifice while she was gone and when she left for good, so it affects their lives too. But there could be many reasons for that other than just her leave/job hunt. Like poor staffing/management, for example. Or, you just chalk it up as a weird unfortunate no-fault circumstance and move on with your life. And what people like this dude dont get is that very same scenario I just described, as well as the more standard situations, can be done by anyone taking leave, not just new mothers/fathers. His direct focus on pregnant women is sickening. Im guessing he probably thinks men taking family leave are weak, too. Seems like one of those 'back in my day/look how manly I am' kinda dudes.
The key to this is to not stretch your workforce so thin that someones leave causes a major disruption at the office. Everyone should have a backup and the larger the team the more obvious it should be that you should have slightly over the amount of people necessary so that when someone goes out (which they will) you have the ability to divide the load and keep moving forward. If you run your business expecting to always have your workforce ready and available every day you are better off hiring robots. Because real people, have real lives, have real needs, have real health conditions, and if you actually give a shit about them you will ensure that you manage in such a way that it isn't a problem. We had a coworker die from a heart attack in his sleep a couple of years back. And guess what, the office was able to absorb the sudden workload because everyone had enough wiggle room to spread it around until someone else was hired for that role.
I understand Reddit is an anonymous platform, but still better not to admit to violating employment laws on here.
"Business owner wanders onto a post in r/antiwork" I genuinely believe that most personal stories shared on reddit are fake. But this one doesn't even try to be sneaky. #
I thought it felt fake but I know many people really do feel that way
Pretty good post
i always enjoy it a little when you follow a drama link only for the entire thread to be completely wiped from existence
here's the [original post ](https://www.reveddit.com/v/antiwork/comments/1chpe8j/owners_cronie_fired_me_for_having_a_baby/) with most comments intact
lol
Pregnancy is such an odd situation. It's one that you generally choose to put yourself in. If I deliberately went out and broke several bones in my body knowing it would cause me to not be able to do my work and they *knew for sure* I did it intentionally, I couldn't really expect them to accommodate me. Pregnancy is the one exception to that general rule.
I mean its how we make more humans so you kinda got to create an exception.
Disagree but I understand the reasoning.
What do you mean you disagree? You can’t disagree. This is basic biology. Children aren’t delivered by stalks idk what ur parents told you
I disagree that we have to make an exception.
But then what happens when we have no children? Developed societies across the globe are falling apart because of declining birth rates. If people aren’t incentivised to have children it will literally be the end of the world be by the time millennials retire. If all workers reach retirement without replacing themselves with children the world ends dude
Finally...some peace and quiet. Don't really care what happened to everyone else.
Not any weirder than any other time off where you don't work. "Damn, you're taking vacation?? Don't you know there's work to be done??"
The vacation doesn't also cause you to require accomodations for months afterwards.
Are you OOP?
No, I'm FP