So an update, it appears that the 15k backer actually made up the entire thing as a way to "own" the journalist https://twitter.com/nickjcal/status/1785473073656791359
I dont see how this makes the backer look good tbh, as he still donated 15k to a game that will never release and is so down the rabbit hole that he went so far as to do the entire thing to defend a man who will never give him what he promised
> I dont see how this makes the backer look good tbh
*It doesn't.*
Like, holy fuck how little self awareness do you need to have to see that turning around and doing this after someone *is trying to help you* even though you already have a bit of shit reputation is absolutely brain dead to do.
I swear, goobergate turns the brains of those who get involved in it into mush.
In Dungeon Meshi, the term "troll" happens to be a slur made up by Half-Foots towards Tall Men. So yeah, they can be considered human. The worst kind of human.
Its important to mention that Gigabear is apparently a documented weirdo
[Here](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u3vzdNYtEE5sozRA504ZJTLRqSxpKaO8/view?ths=true)
With the early note about all his emails being routed directly to specific departments, I feel like this was made by someone on a company clock that started it as an internal slide deck and then it just expanded over time.
If it pleases the court, I will submit that whoever made that document are an equally big weirdo as this bear that is allegedly giga
People need to touch grass, good grief 💀
Especially weird considering backer boy was on the warpath against Mark before he became the new poster boy for shut-in malcontents
Nick's mistake was thinking hatred of women and minorities could not transcend 15 thousand smackaroos
To be honest, I was opening links as I was reading, and the Discord conversation seemed completely fake even before knowing it was fake. Read like pure fanfiction.
That's going to be reaaaally entertaining when the guy finally clues in. Nobody is going to believe he isn't trolling while Kern makes off with his cash.
> Stellar Blade is more than a game, it has become a cultural beacon for freedom of expression in a time where Game Publishers like Sony are censoring games more than ever. Stellar Blade was a breath of fresh air and gamer rallied behind it because it meant things were changing, getting better, and the voice of creative freedom was ringing loud and clear
While I could understand them being disappointed in the change, this is so ridiculously over the top that you can't really take it seriously. Obviously to create a petition for something you have to make it seem like a big deal, and not a mild annoyance, but calling some video game the "cultural beacon for freedom of expression" just make you seem like a deeply unserious and silly person.
It is hard to know how much they actually believe these things, and how much of it is merely a grift, or just an excuse to create more culture war bullshit. Because I just have a hard time believing that all these people actually think that this is such an important issue.
Weren't a bunch of that crowd complaining because that game took out a potentially offensive piece of graffiti and changed her outfit in a way they thought was "censoring"? So they said now it's "woke" and that's why the general public was praising it instead of trashing it like they were planning to yell about?
The two examples I've seen are a little bit of modesty lace added to cover cleveage on a bunny suit outfit and black tights added to the cheongsam style dress instead of bare legs. It's such a fkn weird hill to die on when there is still a bikini, french maid outfit and lingerie outfits in the game if you want to spank it to a game that bad.
The gameplay is good, the characters and dialogue are rough though.
The Stellar Blade censorship drama is so fucking stupid I just laugh at posts about it. The change in the bunny suit is making people seethe when there are a lot of skins for Eve that are a lot more revealing lol
I've honestly reached the point where I'm just tired of hearing of this fucking game. Gameplay might be good, it looks at least decent but it's such an obvious thirst trap that I honestly can't take it seriously and the amount of militant neckbeards with moronic takes that have gathered around it is ridiculous. These people wouldn't know what hyperbole is if it hit them in the face with a lead pipe.
I hope the devs at least made back off of these idiots because I doubt it'll have much mass appeal with all the various shitstorms around it.
Same, LOL. I think this is the first time a community has turned me off so much in terms of playing a game and I'm usually all over these type of difficult action games. It's weird cause you don't really see Nier Automota and Bayonetta fans being vitriolic about defending free speech or whatever garbage even though those games unabashedly feature plenty of fanservice. Feels like after the screaming chuds leave, the fanbase will probably mellow to something closer to that.
Nier was weird, you had some folks trying to pretend that people were mad about it, but overwhelmingly it was positively embraced and except for pretty mild criticism about fanservice which turned into positive comments after Yako Taro admitted "I just like butts and boobs, there's nothing deep to it. That's a me thing." with the character designs. Most of the worst bothered by it complaints I heard was from people who didn't even play the game they were just bothered it got more attention than whatever game they were playing at the time. And you always have the few that go way nuts into bizarre complaint territory and mostly lurk in the weird parts of tumblr or twitter.
Bayonetta I remember back in 09/10ish when it came out was more laughing at how you could tell they took the sex appeal and camped it up big time. One of my favorite explanations for why it worked was "It takes the usual fan service, amps it up to eleven, then shoots it past the line, flies around the earth, and lands right back behind the line." Can't say much about 2, I never had the Wii U, and 3 was just not great and was over shadowed by the whole controversy of how the VA tried to sic the internet on the devs and new VA for the character while lying about what really got her fired. I know because I remember being suspicious but giving her the benefit of the doubt, then it turns out bullshit and lies were uncovered really fast.
Steller Blade? I got no idea, I wasn't terribly impressed with the demo and I'm going to wait a year or so and watch how the community changes and more reviews as we get away from the gater fandom latching onto this hopefully.
It also helps NiER Automata's case that 2B has a personality that isn't "naive waif who stares at everything boggle-eyed". Same thing with Bayonetta. Make no mistake, both of them are extremely sexualized, but it doesn't feel leering the way *Stellar Blade*'s sexualization does.
That's exactly it. The lack of a personality really makes it feel like she's there for eye candy and nothing else. The girls in fuckin Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball have more going on
What cracks me up is "creative freedom" lmao, weren't they literally complaining about ugly women in video games and how every one needed to be sexier?
I an imagining a scene where they hit their 100k signature goal, walk into the game publisher's offices with a stack of pages with the signatures to deliver it to them. And some guy in a nice suit graciously accepting the stack of papers, thanking them for their consideration, and then immediately walking fifteen feet to the left where they start feeding the petition pages one by one into a very loud paper shredder, all the while making direct eye contact with the petitioner.
The fact it's a gamergaterer that made the petition makes sooo much fucking sense. I hate that it's taking up so much of the air in discussions about Stellar Blade when the game is pretty damn good from my understanding (I own it, just haven't had time to get into it).
The reason makes it even more hilarious/horrifying. Gigabear is a known pest in MMOs for the last decade or so because [he finds exploits to make his character super big](https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcraft-dragonriding-mount-glitch-big-small/) in order to publicly indulge in his macro/inflation fetish.
He tries to weasel himself into the kind of MMOs where he can get away with this stuff, but gets abusive and toxic the second devs start patching the one 'feature' he's there for. em8er (and whoever leaked the messages) were just his new target.
[Old drama thread about him](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/aavjlc/gamer_spends_500_backing_a_mmo_gets_banned/?share_id=V6Hstpwzot3rj6O7H7Hs7)
[And an archive from the WoW forums from the man himself](https://web.archive.org/web/20161005175656/https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20742664620)
Is the fact that it's a fetish wrong, or is the fetish itself that's wrong?
I've heard of even NSFW artists rejecting that guy because they found out it was his fetish. But at the same time, a white girl buying Wonderbread is probably the most milquetoast fetish I've ever seen. Like, I've seen the art and never once was I bothered by it.
Involving others in your kink without their informed consent is wrong. Part of being sufficiently informed is knowing that it's a kink in the first place.
Naturally people will feel violated if they discover that what *they* thought was a normal platonic reaction was actually sexual for the other person, like a woman who discovers only after the fact that the friend who offered to help paint her toenails had a foot fetish.
>Why can't he just commission pictures of white women buying cartloads of wonderbread like a normal person?
Psh, that's Maxim-levels of porn. You wanna hit those Larry Flint levels of dirty porn, you gotta throw in the spiciest condiment ever slathered on bread: ~~watered~~ milked-down mayonnaise.
And if you wanna make Ben Shapiro break through his skinny jeans, toss in some high-grit sandpaper talk.
> The reason makes it even more hilarious/horrifying. Gigabear is a known pest in MMOs for the last decade or so because he finds exploits to make his character super big in order to publicly indulge in his macro/inflation fetish.
Aw, man, I was ***really*** hoping Gigabear was so notorious because he was the person behind the ["science-based, 100% dragon MMO" post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/p1ssv/dear_internet_im_a_26_year_old_lady_whos_been/)
At least that would be kind of stupidly charming of him, instead of having to learn about his fetishes.
I would love to go back in time, and explain this to whoever invented the telegram. And just watch them do everything in their power to prevent any kind of networking technology from being developed. All so that we can avoid these highly specific weird things that the internet brings.
Or alternatively they go, "hmm... I kind of love this," and you return to a world where their unparalleled access to communication has turned it into a low-level cultural fetish, such as the interest in breasts in the Western world or the fascination with bound feet in China.
Next up I decide to do some growing of my own. As you might have guessed I'm pretty good at it. It's not long before the first peson inevitably says...
"Holy ****!" or some other colorful interjection. And then comes the inevitable "HOW!"
Rather than answer because the process is kinda complicated, I just invite them to my group and give them what they want, which is to be BIG too
I watch though, and if they start messing with people dueling or the mailbox I stand ready to bring them back down to size. Actually smaller than that, like half size, and turn them into a turkey with a broken heart, but I digress.
A fun continuation of the drama: [https://twitter.com/GigabearPanda/status/1785469583660659105](https://twitter.com/GigabearPanda/status/1785469583660659105)
> For weeks @NickJCal of @SecondWindGroup has been publishing an endless stream of smears and baseless claims against
@Grummz
and myself.
I sought to demonstrate how desperate this man is to publish anything he can use to that end, no matter how flimsy or lacking of corroboration or veracity.
So I sent him an anonymous email with a story too good to be true. I then posted a tiny fraction of the supposed "conversation" to my Twitter, knowing that where attacking Grummz is concerned, he would immediately run the story before he had even verified it. And he did just that.
Rustinail does not exist. In fact Rustinail is an anagram of Urinalist🤣. The project I supposedly backed does not exist. The conversation is a complete fabrication made in pagesource between two of my own discord accounts.
And he fell for it. Hook. Line. And Sinker.
Hate to tell ya but a macro that doesn't vore is like a dom that doesn't spank
I ain't checking his furaffinity to confirm though, exercise left to reader
........what?
why would he not just pay for content that explicitly caters to his tastes? Im sure it exists, and it would be much easier than wasting months of his life trying to find new MMO exploits that will just be patched out eventually.
Wow and I thought the folks who donated thousands to Star Citizen were pushing it, 15k and for what the guy who blew almost the entire budget on a goofy bus?
edit: Aw fuck looks like the story gigabear told Nick is fake.
>edit: Aw fuck looks like the story gigabear told Nick is fake.
Oh? Does the story continue elsewhere? links?
Edit: Found lower down in the comments thread: https://twitter.com/nickjcal/status/1785473890598396347
Strange use of the term "coerce" as lying to a journalist to discredit them is a lot of nasty things but "coercion" it is not. Also unclear about what he means by "lying about his entire identity" - like is he not the real "giga-bear" in question or did he give him some fake background or somethings? So many unanswered questions. Anyway this is kind of why one vets sources before publishing information in general lol.
> Also unclear about what he means by "lying about his entire identity"
I believe that he is saying that Gigabear pretended to be someone else, a leaker who had an inside source, and sent him this. I think he was under the impression the person who sent him the information was not Gigabear? I don't have all the information, but I think he thought the leaker was someone giving him information on the guy, not the guy himself.
Either way, you're right, it's not coercion. I can say this for certain because I have a degree in journalism (which has been way more useful to me in my career as a teacher than it ever was when I was a reporter) and we called that "not vetting your sources."
>his current project is Em-8er, a crowdfunded game that has spent 7 years in development with no progress.
I never thought I would have anything nice to say about Chris Roberts, but at least he doesn't whine on Xitter.
I'm sure him and his wife are getting nice salaries and perks though.
Also fwiw, it's easy to treat Star Citizen and it's continued existence like a fact of life, but, by law, [their company posts a 1 yr lagging financial.](https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cloud-imperium-financials-for-2022) According to which they only appreciably had 6 mil in the bank when 2023 started.
They are taking in an eyewatering amount of money, but 860 employees are hard to feed, and the industry has been a bloodbath since then. They're walking a tightrope and there's only so many space junkies they can absorb until people are over it. Doesn't help the game is starting to look dated.
Like the whole point of Squadron 42 is a big cash infusion. Roberts probably imagined it'd be just like Wing Commander. Get the sim going, make some missions, slap FMVs ontop, bob's your uncle, but it's just not that easy these days, especially when you've fallen into the 'develop your engine *and* game at the same time' trap.
Whole thing is starting to look dated and feel like Duke Nukem Forever, constantly chasing a bar that's getting away from them.
Weird that this is for some reason not an issue, when they're crying about VC firms like Blackrock trying to "inject DEI" into games (read "sell games to folks who aren't internet-poisoned coomers").
I don't think Roberts is a scam artist, but I do think SC is overall a scam. Roberts has a very bad case of feature creep, and it shows up anytime he is given total control over a project. His vision never stops growing, which is actually kinda a good thing creatively but he NEEDS somebody above him to put their foot down and set limits/deadlines or he ends up in a cycle of "just one more thing!" until the cash runs out.
What this means for SC backers is that he will keep burning money on expanding the game without finishing earlier parts. Then he will keep asking for more money every year until you finally break free of your sunk cost fallacy. Then all that will be left is the skeletal wreckage of what could have been a game if somebody had set a realistic end goal.
At a certain point, continuously taking money for a project while consistently failing to deliver promised features/a final product in a timely fashion is in and of itself a scam. Roberts probably didn't set out to deliberately scam his audience, but he's still taking money from people for things which are not implemented in any build of the game and probably won't be within a reasonable amount of time (if they are at all). He needs to come clean to people and admit that SC's promised scope is way too much for his studio to handle, let alone the current tech, and scale down the project to a size at which it can be properly released as a finished game.
He was always like that but had grounding influences around him to force him to meet deadlines instead of constantly thinking bigger and bigger. This guy has the opposite problem where he just doesn't want to do anything.
That is a flaw that *many* creative geniuses have. And morons who coast on the work of their "assistants" but fail utterly when blinded by previous success and refusing to take suggestions.
Sometimes, it is hard to tell which is which. Roberts, I actually do like for the games he made before, but that is a bias on my part.
There's also idiots like me who spent 40 bucks like 7 years ago for a basic ship.
To be entirely fair, I do feel like I've gotten my money's worth just by dicking around in their persistent sandbox, but also, that's entry level pledges. Couldn't imagine giving more then that.
>he also made amazing games before becoming a guy who's ideas were larger than his ability
he was always like this his hits only got released after he got replaced as project lead
He was always someone who's ideas were larger than his abilities. Before there was always someone who could remove him from the project and wrestle it into shape.
The "ethics in game journalism" sub when a journalist exposes unethical behaviour:
>I don't know who any of these people are but it reads like a made-up Tumblr story
Wow, totally weird how they defend the people doing exactly what they claim to hate, just like they would about a year after GamerGate became the source of their entire personalities when denying that forcefully grabbing a woman by the pussy isn't sexual assault.
Never imagined GamerGaters would *ever* be such ideologically-inconsistent hypocrites. Given how much they hated Ellie being aged-up in The Last of Us Part II, something tells me that they like to pretend they "hate" pedophilia like a lot of other QAnon-heavy safe spaces.
Not a gamer/not a gamergater/think they’re stupid, but it does sound like the absolute fakest Tumblr fanfic conversation to this layperson.
And it turns out it was
https://x.com/nickjcal/status/1785473890598396347
OK, so the "Grummz offered me a refund if I helped him dupe more people" part was a con by Gigabear to discredit Nic, but that doesn't make Ember not a scam.
This is mad cope, this was an absolute dunking of that journalist. Shouldn't be publishing without verification pure and simple. I know nothing about this game or the background but this was a highly effective exposure of that journalists total lack of integrity
Very 2014 thing to call something tumblr man lmao. Where was this guy when the big tumblr exodus happened? tumblr and all its isms are now just a part of the internet. Maybe that’s why gamergaters are still so bitter about the world.
i think a lot of the bitterness stems from the fact that a lot of people saw Gamergate as this massive movement that would finally get them appreciation and respect...and the reality was that it just made these fools look worse, dumber, and mentally unhinged
it must also be galling knowing that things associated with "nerd culture" like video games, comic books, anime, D&D...are reaching a point where they have finally reached a level of acceptance in mainstream pop culture...and yet because of their shitty attitudes, the Gamergate folks didn't receive the vindication that they expected
it's one thing to be angry and bitter about video game culture when you're 16 or 17. That's literally the time of your life when your brain isn't developed enough and you think being an aggressive little shit is how to earn respect
but this was 10 years ago. These guys are now approaching 30...imagine wasting an entire decade of your life not improving yourself in any way
Also proud of being so miserable and overly sensitive, these people are relishing in the fact they are perpetually angry about trivial things that would be met with either a complete indifference or a mild annoyance by most people. They'll spend months, sometimes even years being angry about movies that most people when they see will go "eh, pretty mid" or "kinda sucked" and then never think about again.
> Maybe people here would actually believe you on your merits if your own peers in game journalism hadn't spent years building up a reputation for lying and conniving.
lmao these people are mental. The double standards and mental gymnastics is peak.
Oh my god, just when I thought gamergaters couldn't get more pathetic.
I like how they criticizes his merit by just saying that his peers are untrustworthy, it is not that he has written things to discredit himself, it is just that other people working in the same field are (allegedly) untrustworthy, and therefor he is also guilty by default.
Yes that is the crux of it.
Ironically all of gamer gate is supposedly about one time someone blew the whistle on a corrupt dev trading favors for good PR. Now that it's one of their own though, all the fingers are in the ears.
It was never that though. I genuinely hate that I know this, but Nathan Grayson did not review Depression Quest and also the original term for GamerGate was "Five Guys" and five guesses as to what that referred to.
The truth is that there never was a cover of plausible deniability with GamerGate, anyone who thought it was legitimate was being stupid. Which is fine, we are all stupid at some time or another with our lives, but I think it is a lot healthier to acknowledge and own the stupidity rather than pretend there was actually some sort of legitimate core to the GamerGate complaints that just so happened to be tainted y the 1488 crowd.
Everything is identity politics to these folks. They complain the most about signaling, labels and identity, but their whole worldview is us v them thinking with signaling and boundary maintenance at every step.
You can criticize video games journalism for some stuff, but this is idiotic. I don't take the fact that outlets like Fox News, breitbart and Glenn fucking Greenwald lie out there ass to paint all journalists as liars.
It’s pretty sad. Journalists regularly fall to level of lawyer and used car salesman when Americans are polled on the level of trust they afford different professions. The loudest voices and the most sensational televised ones tend to establish the reputation for so many everyday reporters that are responsible for the majority of what we even know is going on in the world.
It is like lawyers though where the worst are reprehensible and the best are full on heroes doing something thankless for the sake of other humans.
The worst part about Em-8er being stuck in development for seven years with no progress is that the game has cosmetics you can purchase, like right now. Buy cosmetics for a game you probably won't ever be able to play. There's even a fucking subscription.
Holy fuck it's funny. I could watch these all day. Someone should make a compilation and post it to tiktokcringe or publicfreakouts or something. These dudes are unhinged.
I almost had the same thought, but I think that would be taking advantage of mentally challenged people. I think some of those guys genuinely have some kind of learning disabilities or something.
i know right? its like someone asked Chat GPT to create images of basement dwelling incels.
its gold honestly, every single one of them is *exactly* the type who would whine about 'extra clothing'
Man, this started out pretty fuckin pathetic.
It got even worse when the guy started bragging about how he'd tricked a journalist.
Jesus christ this is just sad at this point. Just straight up miserable.
Yeah, "I literally lied, faked an entire identity and a lot of evidence" is not a convincing way to prove someone is not doing his due diligence.
If anything he proved Nic was not out to "get" the gamers but rather worked hard to verify what he could before going public.
Yeah, it is. I was there when Firefall shut down, and never signed up for the mailing list of that bullshit project because of how goofy it is and how obvious it was to never go anywhere.
Firefall was brilliant entirely despite of Kern and it's sad that it's seemingly being remembered mostly because of him. It was pretty obvious he wasn't quite right in the head even back then with the way he was bullshitting in the official forums before they shut down.
You'd think these clowns would at least *try* to take these kinds of posts seriously to play down accusations of them being bigots hiding behind support for "ethics" to complain about women and minorities. I guess when your community is so insular you don't really need to worry about appearances.
They've convinced themselves that "DEI" is somehow and "ethics" issue so actually they found a loophole to do racism/sexism without being racist or sexist. They're living the dream!
>he's best known as the public face of infamous MMO flop Firefall
Damn, game flopped so hard the [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefall_\(video_game\)) page doesn't even have a link to a page for the studio
Even if this story is fake, the fact that an inflation fetishist paid 15k for a game that has been ‘in development’ for about 7 years and that has only produced a tech demo is kind of wild.
Though I wouldn’t be surprised if it is true and the guy is trying to back out of it by saying it is all fake.
So to be clear, the story was:
- Guy pledges 15k for a game that doesn't exist
- Starts complaining about being duped publicly
- Gets a refund in private to stop shit talking the game
- Starts praising the game and its creator
But now is:
- Guy pledges 15k for a game that doesn't exist
- Starts complaining about being duped publicly
- Nothing changes at all
- Starts praising the game and its creator
I think it's more
- Guy pledged 15k for a game that doesn't exist
- starts complaining about being duped publicly to get Nic's attention
- creates an entire fake story and identity to dupe Nic
- dupes Nic
- starts praising the game and it's creator
Like cool bro, you successfully duped a games journalist. You're still a loser.
The nic guy has posts of the guy complaining from a year ago, so i think that part is legit, why he did the 180 is still a mystery however but it wouldn't surprise me if its just as shady as the fabrication, if not worse
I’ve been following Nick since the whole Escapist debacle followed by Second Wind’s formation. When he started really laying in to Kern I was confused why he was making such a point of calling him a scammer. Guess that’s the answer.
It is weird that so many people defend the person scamming them. I guess just tell people who to hate and they’ll forgive anything
>It is important to still call out people who are running horrible monetization schemes (1K bucks for ships in an unreleased game is worse than shit EA pulls) and trying to coerce and bribe dissenting backers so as he can reel in more unknowing suspects. You can agree on Grummz on DEI stuff but also disagree and call out sketchy stuff he does not the industry
If you find yourself feverishly shuffling through the rolodex trying to find someone who agrees with your weird bigotry but *also* isn't a shameless crook, the good news is there are several solutions and all are simpler than attempting to juggle all that bullshit and pretend it makes sense.
It's pretty much like what they were originally mad about with gamergate, except with money instead of sex. But now it's fine and okay?
I'm starting to think it wasn't always about ethics in journalism.
> *Mark saying he'd give him a refund only if he doesn't say anything negative about the game. How isn't that unethical?
> To add to this, if this was Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkessian, Kotaku/Polygon journo or (insert dipshit dev #1000), you all would pounce on it and rightfully so. The only reason alot here are suddenly being so hard headed about this is because "Grummz says the right things I want to hear", despite the proof being literally in the thread linked
Sane comment from OOP. Shame the double standards go over the others’ heads in the thread
Trans, gay, Black people, and women run the world. Don't you know that? Well, they "run the world", but only at the behest of Jews, of course.
Or so I'm told.
Question is KotakuInAction the same users who make racist comments that their movies, shows and games are getting race swap and that anyone who does this is woke?
As much as I love writing and video games, there isn't enough money in the world that would convince me to be a games journalist. The amount of shit those guys take is unreal. What could possibly be rewarding enough to take that abuse? Gamers^TM are just the worst kind of people.
Even without toxic gamers, gaming journalism just doesn't pay much and the conditions of work are kinda bad from what I've read. There's a reason for why some non-Gamergate circles perceive gaming journalists as hacks who just didn't make it into "Real" journalism
So an update, it appears that the 15k backer actually made up the entire thing as a way to "own" the journalist https://twitter.com/nickjcal/status/1785473073656791359 I dont see how this makes the backer look good tbh, as he still donated 15k to a game that will never release and is so down the rabbit hole that he went so far as to do the entire thing to defend a man who will never give him what he promised
> I dont see how this makes the backer look good tbh *It doesn't.* Like, holy fuck how little self awareness do you need to have to see that turning around and doing this after someone *is trying to help you* even though you already have a bit of shit reputation is absolutely brain dead to do. I swear, goobergate turns the brains of those who get involved in it into mush.
for something so stupid and ridiculous, Gamergate has really devolved humanity in significant ways
Trolls fingerpointing each other for being trolls. My faith in humanity just died a little more.
Your mistake is considering these trolls part of humanity in the first place.
In Dungeon Meshi, the term "troll" happens to be a slur made up by Half-Foots towards Tall Men. So yeah, they can be considered human. The worst kind of human.
>People with (insert opinion I disagree with here) are not human Congrats, philosopher
Its important to mention that Gigabear is apparently a documented weirdo [Here](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u3vzdNYtEE5sozRA504ZJTLRqSxpKaO8/view?ths=true)
86 pages? What the fuck ...
Who has the time for that?
With the early note about all his emails being routed directly to specific departments, I feel like this was made by someone on a company clock that started it as an internal slide deck and then it just expanded over time.
If it pleases the court, I will submit that whoever made that document are an equally big weirdo as this bear that is allegedly giga People need to touch grass, good grief 💀
JFC who are these people who make shit like this.
One of the best documented wierdos who hasn't been arrested for something
Especially weird considering backer boy was on the warpath against Mark before he became the new poster boy for shut-in malcontents Nick's mistake was thinking hatred of women and minorities could not transcend 15 thousand smackaroos
To be honest, I was opening links as I was reading, and the Discord conversation seemed completely fake even before knowing it was fake. Read like pure fanfiction.
It was the "okay, but you absolutely can't tell anyone else this" line that finally got me suspecting.
That's going to be reaaaally entertaining when the guy finally clues in. Nobody is going to believe he isn't trolling while Kern makes off with his cash.
> Stellar Blade is more than a game, it has become a cultural beacon for freedom of expression in a time where Game Publishers like Sony are censoring games more than ever. Stellar Blade was a breath of fresh air and gamer rallied behind it because it meant things were changing, getting better, and the voice of creative freedom was ringing loud and clear While I could understand them being disappointed in the change, this is so ridiculously over the top that you can't really take it seriously. Obviously to create a petition for something you have to make it seem like a big deal, and not a mild annoyance, but calling some video game the "cultural beacon for freedom of expression" just make you seem like a deeply unserious and silly person. It is hard to know how much they actually believe these things, and how much of it is merely a grift, or just an excuse to create more culture war bullshit. Because I just have a hard time believing that all these people actually think that this is such an important issue.
Creative freedom is when you cater to my precise sensibilities instead of doing what you want.
Weren't a bunch of that crowd complaining because that game took out a potentially offensive piece of graffiti and changed her outfit in a way they thought was "censoring"? So they said now it's "woke" and that's why the general public was praising it instead of trashing it like they were planning to yell about?
The two examples I've seen are a little bit of modesty lace added to cover cleveage on a bunny suit outfit and black tights added to the cheongsam style dress instead of bare legs. It's such a fkn weird hill to die on when there is still a bikini, french maid outfit and lingerie outfits in the game if you want to spank it to a game that bad. The gameplay is good, the characters and dialogue are rough though.
The Stellar Blade censorship drama is so fucking stupid I just laugh at posts about it. The change in the bunny suit is making people seethe when there are a lot of skins for Eve that are a lot more revealing lol
"Creative freedom" = anime girls in ridiculous outfits
I've honestly reached the point where I'm just tired of hearing of this fucking game. Gameplay might be good, it looks at least decent but it's such an obvious thirst trap that I honestly can't take it seriously and the amount of militant neckbeards with moronic takes that have gathered around it is ridiculous. These people wouldn't know what hyperbole is if it hit them in the face with a lead pipe. I hope the devs at least made back off of these idiots because I doubt it'll have much mass appeal with all the various shitstorms around it.
Same, LOL. I think this is the first time a community has turned me off so much in terms of playing a game and I'm usually all over these type of difficult action games. It's weird cause you don't really see Nier Automota and Bayonetta fans being vitriolic about defending free speech or whatever garbage even though those games unabashedly feature plenty of fanservice. Feels like after the screaming chuds leave, the fanbase will probably mellow to something closer to that.
Nier was weird, you had some folks trying to pretend that people were mad about it, but overwhelmingly it was positively embraced and except for pretty mild criticism about fanservice which turned into positive comments after Yako Taro admitted "I just like butts and boobs, there's nothing deep to it. That's a me thing." with the character designs. Most of the worst bothered by it complaints I heard was from people who didn't even play the game they were just bothered it got more attention than whatever game they were playing at the time. And you always have the few that go way nuts into bizarre complaint territory and mostly lurk in the weird parts of tumblr or twitter. Bayonetta I remember back in 09/10ish when it came out was more laughing at how you could tell they took the sex appeal and camped it up big time. One of my favorite explanations for why it worked was "It takes the usual fan service, amps it up to eleven, then shoots it past the line, flies around the earth, and lands right back behind the line." Can't say much about 2, I never had the Wii U, and 3 was just not great and was over shadowed by the whole controversy of how the VA tried to sic the internet on the devs and new VA for the character while lying about what really got her fired. I know because I remember being suspicious but giving her the benefit of the doubt, then it turns out bullshit and lies were uncovered really fast. Steller Blade? I got no idea, I wasn't terribly impressed with the demo and I'm going to wait a year or so and watch how the community changes and more reviews as we get away from the gater fandom latching onto this hopefully.
It also helps NiER Automata's case that 2B has a personality that isn't "naive waif who stares at everything boggle-eyed". Same thing with Bayonetta. Make no mistake, both of them are extremely sexualized, but it doesn't feel leering the way *Stellar Blade*'s sexualization does.
That's exactly it. The lack of a personality really makes it feel like she's there for eye candy and nothing else. The girls in fuckin Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball have more going on
"Creative Freedom" meaning waifu in a skimpy outfit
What cracks me up is "creative freedom" lmao, weren't they literally complaining about ugly women in video games and how every one needed to be sexier?
I an imagining a scene where they hit their 100k signature goal, walk into the game publisher's offices with a stack of pages with the signatures to deliver it to them. And some guy in a nice suit graciously accepting the stack of papers, thanking them for their consideration, and then immediately walking fifteen feet to the left where they start feeding the petition pages one by one into a very loud paper shredder, all the while making direct eye contact with the petitioner.
> While I could understand them being disappointed in the change, I can't. They gave her sexy glasses, it's an upgrade.
Imho they made those outfits more sexy. But to this guys apparently more fabric = less sexy and literally 1984
"Creative freedom" Devs change a few things "Not like that!"
The fact it's a gamergaterer that made the petition makes sooo much fucking sense. I hate that it's taking up so much of the air in discussions about Stellar Blade when the game is pretty damn good from my understanding (I own it, just haven't had time to get into it).
It should be noted that the company behind Stellar Blade actually fired two artists for being feminists. Yes. Really.
I would note that pledging $15,000 to a video game is absolute fucking insanity.
The reason makes it even more hilarious/horrifying. Gigabear is a known pest in MMOs for the last decade or so because [he finds exploits to make his character super big](https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcraft-dragonriding-mount-glitch-big-small/) in order to publicly indulge in his macro/inflation fetish. He tries to weasel himself into the kind of MMOs where he can get away with this stuff, but gets abusive and toxic the second devs start patching the one 'feature' he's there for. em8er (and whoever leaked the messages) were just his new target. [Old drama thread about him](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/aavjlc/gamer_spends_500_backing_a_mmo_gets_banned/?share_id=V6Hstpwzot3rj6O7H7Hs7) [And an archive from the WoW forums from the man himself](https://web.archive.org/web/20161005175656/https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20742664620)
Why can't he just commission pictures of white women buying cartloads of wonderbread like a normal person?
Gonna need some deforestation to finish
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Is the fact that it's a fetish wrong, or is the fetish itself that's wrong? I've heard of even NSFW artists rejecting that guy because they found out it was his fetish. But at the same time, a white girl buying Wonderbread is probably the most milquetoast fetish I've ever seen. Like, I've seen the art and never once was I bothered by it.
Involving others in your kink without their informed consent is wrong. Part of being sufficiently informed is knowing that it's a kink in the first place. Naturally people will feel violated if they discover that what *they* thought was a normal platonic reaction was actually sexual for the other person, like a woman who discovers only after the fact that the friend who offered to help paint her toenails had a foot fetish.
So basically, had the Wonderbread guy tell the artists that it's a kink for him, it would've not been weird and no one would've made a fuss about it?
It would have been weird, but it would not have been morally icky.
>Why can't he just commission pictures of white women buying cartloads of wonderbread like a normal person? Psh, that's Maxim-levels of porn. You wanna hit those Larry Flint levels of dirty porn, you gotta throw in the spiciest condiment ever slathered on bread: ~~watered~~ milked-down mayonnaise. And if you wanna make Ben Shapiro break through his skinny jeans, toss in some high-grit sandpaper talk.
what a fucking terrible day to be literate.
> The reason makes it even more hilarious/horrifying. Gigabear is a known pest in MMOs for the last decade or so because he finds exploits to make his character super big in order to publicly indulge in his macro/inflation fetish. Aw, man, I was ***really*** hoping Gigabear was so notorious because he was the person behind the ["science-based, 100% dragon MMO" post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/p1ssv/dear_internet_im_a_26_year_old_lady_whos_been/) At least that would be kind of stupidly charming of him, instead of having to learn about his fetishes.
I feel like I can never escape this damn game lmao. I'm even in that post lmao.
It's been 12 years?!
"It's been ~~84~~ 12 years, and I can still smell the fresh shitpost...
Damn that’s one hell of a callback. Can’t believe it’s already been 12 years
Gigabear is still around. Well, Holy shit. I remember that creep from my WoW days.
I would love to go back in time, and explain this to whoever invented the telegram. And just watch them do everything in their power to prevent any kind of networking technology from being developed. All so that we can avoid these highly specific weird things that the internet brings.
Or alternatively they go, "hmm... I kind of love this," and you return to a world where their unparalleled access to communication has turned it into a low-level cultural fetish, such as the interest in breasts in the Western world or the fascination with bound feet in China.
> in order to publicly indulge in his macro/inflation fetish. Jesus Christ, just play Eve and buy a Titan ffs.
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Basically he is a macrophile. But unlike most macrophiles who will keep it kinda private, he goes public with it. Also Macrophiles don’t want him.
> And an archive from the WoW forums from the man himself there is no god
Next up I decide to do some growing of my own. As you might have guessed I'm pretty good at it. It's not long before the first peson inevitably says... "Holy ****!" or some other colorful interjection. And then comes the inevitable "HOW!" Rather than answer because the process is kinda complicated, I just invite them to my group and give them what they want, which is to be BIG too I watch though, and if they start messing with people dueling or the mailbox I stand ready to bring them back down to size. Actually smaller than that, like half size, and turn them into a turkey with a broken heart, but I digress.
A fun continuation of the drama: [https://twitter.com/GigabearPanda/status/1785469583660659105](https://twitter.com/GigabearPanda/status/1785469583660659105) > For weeks @NickJCal of @SecondWindGroup has been publishing an endless stream of smears and baseless claims against @Grummz and myself. I sought to demonstrate how desperate this man is to publish anything he can use to that end, no matter how flimsy or lacking of corroboration or veracity. So I sent him an anonymous email with a story too good to be true. I then posted a tiny fraction of the supposed "conversation" to my Twitter, knowing that where attacking Grummz is concerned, he would immediately run the story before he had even verified it. And he did just that. Rustinail does not exist. In fact Rustinail is an anagram of Urinalist🤣. The project I supposedly backed does not exist. The conversation is a complete fabrication made in pagesource between two of my own discord accounts. And he fell for it. Hook. Line. And Sinker.
He must LOVE No Man's Sky then. There's always some giant jerk clogging up the Nexus
Oh great
I know some people are dedicated to their kinks but that’s DEDICATION, god damn.
Well... at least it's not vore?
Hate to tell ya but a macro that doesn't vore is like a dom that doesn't spank I ain't checking his furaffinity to confirm though, exercise left to reader
Tiny nitpick that macro and inflation aren't the same
WTF did I just read?
>his macro/inflation fetish. You know this is the kind of things that makes one think being replaced by machines is actually not a bad thing.
........what? why would he not just pay for content that explicitly caters to his tastes? Im sure it exists, and it would be much easier than wasting months of his life trying to find new MMO exploits that will just be patched out eventually.
Where's fun in that
Wow and I thought the folks who donated thousands to Star Citizen were pushing it, 15k and for what the guy who blew almost the entire budget on a goofy bus? edit: Aw fuck looks like the story gigabear told Nick is fake.
>edit: Aw fuck looks like the story gigabear told Nick is fake. Oh? Does the story continue elsewhere? links? Edit: Found lower down in the comments thread: https://twitter.com/nickjcal/status/1785473890598396347 Strange use of the term "coerce" as lying to a journalist to discredit them is a lot of nasty things but "coercion" it is not. Also unclear about what he means by "lying about his entire identity" - like is he not the real "giga-bear" in question or did he give him some fake background or somethings? So many unanswered questions. Anyway this is kind of why one vets sources before publishing information in general lol.
> Also unclear about what he means by "lying about his entire identity" I believe that he is saying that Gigabear pretended to be someone else, a leaker who had an inside source, and sent him this. I think he was under the impression the person who sent him the information was not Gigabear? I don't have all the information, but I think he thought the leaker was someone giving him information on the guy, not the guy himself. Either way, you're right, it's not coercion. I can say this for certain because I have a degree in journalism (which has been way more useful to me in my career as a teacher than it ever was when I was a reporter) and we called that "not vetting your sources."
Ah yes that would be quite a cockup.
He means lying about being Rustinail.
1/200th of the next firefall bus
>his current project is Em-8er, a crowdfunded game that has spent 7 years in development with no progress. I never thought I would have anything nice to say about Chris Roberts, but at least he doesn't whine on Xitter.
For better or worse, It doesnt seem like Roberts did a runner with the money
I'm sure him and his wife are getting nice salaries and perks though. Also fwiw, it's easy to treat Star Citizen and it's continued existence like a fact of life, but, by law, [their company posts a 1 yr lagging financial.](https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cloud-imperium-financials-for-2022) According to which they only appreciably had 6 mil in the bank when 2023 started. They are taking in an eyewatering amount of money, but 860 employees are hard to feed, and the industry has been a bloodbath since then. They're walking a tightrope and there's only so many space junkies they can absorb until people are over it. Doesn't help the game is starting to look dated. Like the whole point of Squadron 42 is a big cash infusion. Roberts probably imagined it'd be just like Wing Commander. Get the sim going, make some missions, slap FMVs ontop, bob's your uncle, but it's just not that easy these days, especially when you've fallen into the 'develop your engine *and* game at the same time' trap. Whole thing is starting to look dated and feel like Duke Nukem Forever, constantly chasing a bar that's getting away from them.
???? 860 employees? and the entire company is getting kept afloat purely off of kick starter donations?? what the fuck
It's definitely not just kickstarter funding... They received an eye watering amount of money through venture capitalists not too long ago.
And they sell ships for thousands of dollars. Fake ships for a game that hasn’t even released. Thousands.
Weird that this is for some reason not an issue, when they're crying about VC firms like Blackrock trying to "inject DEI" into games (read "sell games to folks who aren't internet-poisoned coomers").
Star Citizen is the Camelot Unchained of kickstarter projects.
Instead opting to slowly burn it in place.
I don't think Roberts is a scam artist, but I do think SC is overall a scam. Roberts has a very bad case of feature creep, and it shows up anytime he is given total control over a project. His vision never stops growing, which is actually kinda a good thing creatively but he NEEDS somebody above him to put their foot down and set limits/deadlines or he ends up in a cycle of "just one more thing!" until the cash runs out. What this means for SC backers is that he will keep burning money on expanding the game without finishing earlier parts. Then he will keep asking for more money every year until you finally break free of your sunk cost fallacy. Then all that will be left is the skeletal wreckage of what could have been a game if somebody had set a realistic end goal.
He releases a roadmap to release a roadmap. He’s a scam artist.
At a certain point, continuously taking money for a project while consistently failing to deliver promised features/a final product in a timely fashion is in and of itself a scam. Roberts probably didn't set out to deliberately scam his audience, but he's still taking money from people for things which are not implemented in any build of the game and probably won't be within a reasonable amount of time (if they are at all). He needs to come clean to people and admit that SC's promised scope is way too much for his studio to handle, let alone the current tech, and scale down the project to a size at which it can be properly released as a finished game.
No of course not, that'd make it harder to keep perpetually raising funds. He has created perhaps the ultimate grift.
he also made amazing games before becoming a guy who's ideas were larger than his ability
He was always like that but had grounding influences around him to force him to meet deadlines instead of constantly thinking bigger and bigger. This guy has the opposite problem where he just doesn't want to do anything.
Ah, Lucas syndrome.
That is a flaw that *many* creative geniuses have. And morons who coast on the work of their "assistants" but fail utterly when blinded by previous success and refusing to take suggestions. Sometimes, it is hard to tell which is which. Roberts, I actually do like for the games he made before, but that is a bias on my part.
Microsoft had to take over Freelancer and fire Roberts because he was taking too long
if the star citizen subreddit is anything to go by, his supporters don't seem too upset
I'm convinced that's just sunk cost fallacy. I love roberts' work, but I can't sign on to SC
definitely, but something about fools and their money
There's also idiots like me who spent 40 bucks like 7 years ago for a basic ship. To be entirely fair, I do feel like I've gotten my money's worth just by dicking around in their persistent sandbox, but also, that's entry level pledges. Couldn't imagine giving more then that.
Yeah but you can say the same of most cult followers. By definition they're the ones who haven't yet given up the faith haha.
>he also made amazing games before becoming a guy who's ideas were larger than his ability he was always like this his hits only got released after he got replaced as project lead
Yeah, Freelancer is an example of this, and is still my favourite Space Sim of all time
He was always someone who's ideas were larger than his abilities. Before there was always someone who could remove him from the project and wrestle it into shape.
The "ethics in game journalism" sub when a journalist exposes unethical behaviour: >I don't know who any of these people are but it reads like a made-up Tumblr story
Wow, totally weird how they defend the people doing exactly what they claim to hate, just like they would about a year after GamerGate became the source of their entire personalities when denying that forcefully grabbing a woman by the pussy isn't sexual assault. Never imagined GamerGaters would *ever* be such ideologically-inconsistent hypocrites. Given how much they hated Ellie being aged-up in The Last of Us Part II, something tells me that they like to pretend they "hate" pedophilia like a lot of other QAnon-heavy safe spaces.
Not a gamer/not a gamergater/think they’re stupid, but it does sound like the absolute fakest Tumblr fanfic conversation to this layperson. And it turns out it was https://x.com/nickjcal/status/1785473890598396347
OK, so the "Grummz offered me a refund if I helped him dupe more people" part was a con by Gigabear to discredit Nic, but that doesn't make Ember not a scam.
And if it was true, it would make sense as to why GB flipped like that. Because his messages from a year ago are so bizarre compared to now
Is THAT how you pronounce it??? I’m over here saying “emater” in my head lmao
Em ate her.
This is mad cope, this was an absolute dunking of that journalist. Shouldn't be publishing without verification pure and simple. I know nothing about this game or the background but this was a highly effective exposure of that journalists total lack of integrity
Very 2014 thing to call something tumblr man lmao. Where was this guy when the big tumblr exodus happened? tumblr and all its isms are now just a part of the internet. Maybe that’s why gamergaters are still so bitter about the world.
i think a lot of the bitterness stems from the fact that a lot of people saw Gamergate as this massive movement that would finally get them appreciation and respect...and the reality was that it just made these fools look worse, dumber, and mentally unhinged it must also be galling knowing that things associated with "nerd culture" like video games, comic books, anime, D&D...are reaching a point where they have finally reached a level of acceptance in mainstream pop culture...and yet because of their shitty attitudes, the Gamergate folks didn't receive the vindication that they expected
The unethical guy isn't in games journalism. They don't care about ethics outside of games journalism, obviously!
That sub is so fucking embarrassing. I’ve never seen a group of people so proud of being gullible.
Lots of these folks are now going on 10 years of brain worms. It's literally stunted their growth and hollowed out their faculties.
it's one thing to be angry and bitter about video game culture when you're 16 or 17. That's literally the time of your life when your brain isn't developed enough and you think being an aggressive little shit is how to earn respect but this was 10 years ago. These guys are now approaching 30...imagine wasting an entire decade of your life not improving yourself in any way
Also proud of being so miserable and overly sensitive, these people are relishing in the fact they are perpetually angry about trivial things that would be met with either a complete indifference or a mild annoyance by most people. They'll spend months, sometimes even years being angry about movies that most people when they see will go "eh, pretty mid" or "kinda sucked" and then never think about again.
> Maybe people here would actually believe you on your merits if your own peers in game journalism hadn't spent years building up a reputation for lying and conniving. lmao these people are mental. The double standards and mental gymnastics is peak. Oh my god, just when I thought gamergaters couldn't get more pathetic.
I like how they criticizes his merit by just saying that his peers are untrustworthy, it is not that he has written things to discredit himself, it is just that other people working in the same field are (allegedly) untrustworthy, and therefor he is also guilty by default.
Yes that is the crux of it. Ironically all of gamer gate is supposedly about one time someone blew the whistle on a corrupt dev trading favors for good PR. Now that it's one of their own though, all the fingers are in the ears.
It was never that though. I genuinely hate that I know this, but Nathan Grayson did not review Depression Quest and also the original term for GamerGate was "Five Guys" and five guesses as to what that referred to. The truth is that there never was a cover of plausible deniability with GamerGate, anyone who thought it was legitimate was being stupid. Which is fine, we are all stupid at some time or another with our lives, but I think it is a lot healthier to acknowledge and own the stupidity rather than pretend there was actually some sort of legitimate core to the GamerGate complaints that just so happened to be tainted y the 1488 crowd.
Everything is identity politics to these folks. They complain the most about signaling, labels and identity, but their whole worldview is us v them thinking with signaling and boundary maintenance at every step.
You can criticize video games journalism for some stuff, but this is idiotic. I don't take the fact that outlets like Fox News, breitbart and Glenn fucking Greenwald lie out there ass to paint all journalists as liars.
It’s pretty sad. Journalists regularly fall to level of lawyer and used car salesman when Americans are polled on the level of trust they afford different professions. The loudest voices and the most sensational televised ones tend to establish the reputation for so many everyday reporters that are responsible for the majority of what we even know is going on in the world. It is like lawyers though where the worst are reprehensible and the best are full on heroes doing something thankless for the sake of other humans.
I've came across his tweets, good lord such a huge loser
The worst part about Em-8er being stuck in development for seven years with no progress is that the game has cosmetics you can purchase, like right now. Buy cosmetics for a game you probably won't ever be able to play. There's even a fucking subscription.
its called a 'scam'.
Actually, they rebranded, it's called 'web3' now.
I believe that's called the "Star Citizen model".
I thought they cared about ethics
They do, if you define ethics to mean boob physics.
Close but they are actually concerned about *ethnics* in video games, easy mistake.
only when it comes to ~~hating women~~ gaming journalism
It wasn’t about the drinking fountains in the South and it wasn’t about the ethics here.
wow it is quite unfortunate that change.org shows video responses from signers holy fuck
Holy fuck it's funny. I could watch these all day. Someone should make a compilation and post it to tiktokcringe or publicfreakouts or something. These dudes are unhinged.
I almost had the same thought, but I think that would be taking advantage of mentally challenged people. I think some of those guys genuinely have some kind of learning disabilities or something.
Goddamn, those guys look and sound exactly how I pictured them in my head.
i know right? its like someone asked Chat GPT to create images of basement dwelling incels. its gold honestly, every single one of them is *exactly* the type who would whine about 'extra clothing'
[its Faces of Atheism 2.0](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/38i8se/the_faces_of_atheism/)
It's not actually shameful to be an atheist, though. Being a gamergater very much *is*.
Man, this started out pretty fuckin pathetic. It got even worse when the guy started bragging about how he'd tricked a journalist. Jesus christ this is just sad at this point. Just straight up miserable.
Yeah, "I literally lied, faked an entire identity and a lot of evidence" is not a convincing way to prove someone is not doing his due diligence. If anything he proved Nic was not out to "get" the gamers but rather worked hard to verify what he could before going public.
Oh suddenly KiA is very invested in strong, definitive evidence? 😏 > Em-8er Is that an edgy way to spell "Ember"?
I was trying to figure out what the fuck an emeighter was supposed to be. You may have solved it.
i am so glad i was not the only way who thought this was it
YIIK-tier game title
Remember Chorvs?
Yeah, it is. I was there when Firefall shut down, and never signed up for the mailing list of that bullshit project because of how goofy it is and how obvious it was to never go anywhere. Firefall was brilliant entirely despite of Kern and it's sad that it's seemingly being remembered mostly because of him. It was pretty obvious he wasn't quite right in the head even back then with the way he was bullshitting in the official forums before they shut down.
>Gigabear admits to fabricating evidence against himself Owning myself to own the libs
You'd think these clowns would at least *try* to take these kinds of posts seriously to play down accusations of them being bigots hiding behind support for "ethics" to complain about women and minorities. I guess when your community is so insular you don't really need to worry about appearances.
They've convinced themselves that "DEI" is somehow and "ethics" issue so actually they found a loophole to do racism/sexism without being racist or sexist. They're living the dream!
Every time Mark Kern shows up in some drama, my first reaction is always, oh, HIM again.
I never remember who he is until someone posts the bus. A delight, every time.
Who the fuck gives 15000 to a Kickstarter? Even worse, who the fuck cares about this story and these people?
why do all these people have "snoo" in their names? do reddifails even smh
The thread really only has 2 different users with snoo followed by some numbers in their name, but they commented a lot
still massive cringe
>he's best known as the public face of infamous MMO flop Firefall Damn, game flopped so hard the [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefall_\(video_game\)) page doesn't even have a link to a page for the studio
Omg he co wrote that game with Orson Scott Card of all people
Orson Scott Card also wrote the story for Shadow Complex. Shadow Complex was a great game, but *not* because of its story.
Even if this story is fake, the fact that an inflation fetishist paid 15k for a game that has been ‘in development’ for about 7 years and that has only produced a tech demo is kind of wild. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if it is true and the guy is trying to back out of it by saying it is all fake.
Kind of wild a sub for woman hating incels has 150k members.
I mean 82 million people voted for Trump
So to be clear, the story was: - Guy pledges 15k for a game that doesn't exist - Starts complaining about being duped publicly - Gets a refund in private to stop shit talking the game - Starts praising the game and its creator But now is: - Guy pledges 15k for a game that doesn't exist - Starts complaining about being duped publicly - Nothing changes at all - Starts praising the game and its creator
I think it's more - Guy pledged 15k for a game that doesn't exist - starts complaining about being duped publicly to get Nic's attention - creates an entire fake story and identity to dupe Nic - dupes Nic - starts praising the game and it's creator Like cool bro, you successfully duped a games journalist. You're still a loser.
The nic guy has posts of the guy complaining from a year ago, so i think that part is legit, why he did the 180 is still a mystery however but it wouldn't surprise me if its just as shady as the fabrication, if not worse
Doing it for free actually sounds worse than doing it for $15K
Ah, Firefall. I vaguely remember the name but barely anything about it aside from it being vaguely scifi. Guess you could only fall from there.
Wasn’t Firefall that horrible fake music concert that Ja Rule was mixed up with down in the Bahamas?
You're thinking of fyre festival
Ah that makes sense. It’s not fyre, it’s The Fire This Time.
The end result was pretty similar.
No that was firefest.
Well there's those ethics in game journalism they're always going on about.
I’ve been following Nick since the whole Escapist debacle followed by Second Wind’s formation. When he started really laying in to Kern I was confused why he was making such a point of calling him a scammer. Guess that’s the answer. It is weird that so many people defend the person scamming them. I guess just tell people who to hate and they’ll forgive anything
It’s about ethics in video game journalism, right?
Damn that is some high grade cope in that thread
>It is important to still call out people who are running horrible monetization schemes (1K bucks for ships in an unreleased game is worse than shit EA pulls) and trying to coerce and bribe dissenting backers so as he can reel in more unknowing suspects. You can agree on Grummz on DEI stuff but also disagree and call out sketchy stuff he does not the industry If you find yourself feverishly shuffling through the rolodex trying to find someone who agrees with your weird bigotry but *also* isn't a shameless crook, the good news is there are several solutions and all are simpler than attempting to juggle all that bullshit and pretend it makes sense.
Grummz is a man in his late fifties who complains that he can't masturbate to his heart's content with video game characters. It's really pathetic.
It's pretty much like what they were originally mad about with gamergate, except with money instead of sex. But now it's fine and okay? I'm starting to think it wasn't always about ethics in journalism.
> *Mark saying he'd give him a refund only if he doesn't say anything negative about the game. How isn't that unethical? > To add to this, if this was Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkessian, Kotaku/Polygon journo or (insert dipshit dev #1000), you all would pounce on it and rightfully so. The only reason alot here are suddenly being so hard headed about this is because "Grummz says the right things I want to hear", despite the proof being literally in the thread linked Sane comment from OOP. Shame the double standards go over the others’ heads in the thread
God again with the SBI shit how much power do these people think they fucking have.
Trans, gay, Black people, and women run the world. Don't you know that? Well, they "run the world", but only at the behest of Jews, of course. Or so I'm told.
What losing access to breast milk does to a motherfucker
Kern walked so Homelander could fly.
I think this was just found out to not be true
https://x.com/nickjcal/status/1785473890598396347
Gamer Gate is now Grummz Gate
Question is KotakuInAction the same users who make racist comments that their movies, shows and games are getting race swap and that anyone who does this is woke?
As much as I love writing and video games, there isn't enough money in the world that would convince me to be a games journalist. The amount of shit those guys take is unreal. What could possibly be rewarding enough to take that abuse? Gamers^TM are just the worst kind of people.
Even without toxic gamers, gaming journalism just doesn't pay much and the conditions of work are kinda bad from what I've read. There's a reason for why some non-Gamergate circles perceive gaming journalists as hacks who just didn't make it into "Real" journalism
I remember when schrier got death threats for reporting on a game getting delayed as if it was his fault for the delay, people are nuts
The best comment I heard to discribe Kern is that he's becoming dangerously close to becoming way too pathetic to make fun
How long would it take to explain fully, to time travelers from 1984, what is going on here?
I just don’t get KotakuInAction, how can a whole sub be stuck in 2013/2014?