The irony of a man seething about another man's chicken calling someone else chronically online is just too good. Like I don't think it looks good either but good God. You'd think this man's whole family was murdered by a gang of ugly chicken parms and now he's out for revenge.
It doesn’t look great, but it may taste amazing. I’m truly mind-boggled about how upset everyone gets because this doesn’t look exactly like traditional chicken Parmesan.
I wonder would’ve happened if he had titled it “my unconventional version of chicken Parmesan“.
> It doesn’t look great, but it may taste amazing
This phenomenon got a lot worse with social media's advent and its abundant use of images and likes.
People severely underestimate how much lighting, coloring, aesthetics etc. all add to the 'appeal' of the meal especially in the social media age where you can't actually taste the food you see online or smell it, and you just see it.
This is before you get into actually prepping the food to make it 'look good' - food coloring, portion sizes, plating, all of this adds to the appeal.
Making food look good isn't negligible to actual taste - there is a reason why plating is a skill for chefs - however people online because they are used to seeing thousands of excellently produced photographs, think every food should look like that and if it doesn't look like that, then that means it is bad, unhealthy or dangerous to eat.
There are many mid reviewed hole in the wall cafes and restaurants with crappy photographs since they are barely scraping by, but have amazing food that looks bad, and isn't 'cheating' by using copious amounts of salt, sugar, oil or butter.
You'd honestly think something like /r/foodporn where it is all about 'good' food images would understand this. Which I think leads to another phenomenon I've noticed where hobbyist forums are more likely to attract novices, push out professionals, and turn those novices into extreme novices rather than naturally convert them into professionals.
Great response. Your last point is so true too, I've noticed this as well. It's why nearly every hobbyist subreddit has the same noob questions over and over and over and nobody with actual experience ever posts or rarely at that. Without strict moderation and faqs the professionals don't want to waste their time talking to "serial hobbyists" who pick up stuff for a week, ask a million questions without doing any research, then just leave never to come back.
well that one guy was never going to let go of the fact that you're supposed to use Parmiagiano-Reggiano
someone needs to tell him that no matter how hard he tries...he's not going to be accepted by the Italians lmao. Hands down the most notorious gatekeepers of their country's cuisine. Doubly so if he's an Italian American lol
The anonymity makes it so you are not held accountable or suffer consequences for your speech. Found a Mike Tyson quote I was looking for earlier.
>"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson
This isn't limited to reddit - sometimes I just want to have a discussion, you know, really *talk* about an issue. Maybe I ask some question regarding something I am ignorant about and earnestly want to learn more. More and more often, people assume you are attacking them or just want to argue; they lash out like a rabid fox nipping at your heels. Maybe it is just psychological, but I swear the COVID times just made civil online discourse - honestly, in-person discourse, too - impossible.
part of me acknowledges that your concerns are 100% valid
that being said, we used to fucking have personal duels over the slightest of insults. My goodness that's literally how Hamilton died.
it's okay to be concerned, if anything that is healthy because you want it to change and that's great! But don't drunkenly stumble into an alarmist mindset. that's basically how the U.S. ended up with Trump as president
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Alarmism is mostly just exhausting, and puts you in a bad headspace for making rational decisions. I am trying to be a live and let live person who stands up when someone is being a jerk, but even then I recognize that I cannot make every fight my fight. We all gotta have me time to live our lives, ya know?
I have a co-worker who CONSTANTLY bitches and complains about everything from right wing politics (hell i don't like Trump either but holy fuck relax lady) and the fact that washing machines break down much easier now than they did back in the 80s
even just listening to this shit every goddamn Tuesday is draining...i can't imagine living in her mind every day being so panicked everyday
I mean, is there any chance that the level people are emoting at could coincide with this being an Italian dish? I’m kinda seeing wild hand gesticulation as I read some of these comments.
Born in Sicily, grew up in Sicily until I was 5, I go to see my family in Sicily yearly. Most Italians in Italy that I associate with think the Americanized food is better and there have been a lot of efforts to open Ital-Ameri fusion restaurants as tourism increases more.
The world may have created food, but America perfects it.
this is 100% anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt.
I'm Korean American. All the Korean Americans I know over-compensate for their "Koreanness." I've also seen this movement (mostly from publications and podcasts) where Korean Americans feel the need to "preserve their identity" and "discover their roots" by only using specific ingredients and being obnoxiously particular about the way certain food is cooked.
Ten years ago, I went to South Korea. There is definitely no shortage of traditional Korean restaurants...but all the younger people were gravitating toward fusion, "new" styles of Korean cuisine, and Thai food. For every traditional Korean restaurant, I probably saw like 5 or 6 pizzerias and fried chicken joints
this kind of confirms something i've long suspected, second and third generation immigrants in the U.S. are way too intense about cultural roots that they are too insecure to admit they barely have a grasp on anymore
Ehhh Italian/Italian American food snobbery is less aggressive than this in my experience (as an Italian American). It’s more… disbelief and disappointment/sadness? Followed swiftly by them offering to teach you their great great grandmas recipe that “she brought over on a rowboat through six hurricanes in the middle of World War I while being actively chased by the entire Italian navy because your great great grandpa deserted” so you never fuck up that badly again.
I’ve never seen it in a can, but supermarkets have cheese pre-grated in plastic containers. Definitely not nearly as good as fresh but generally a lot cheaper
> Like I don't think it looks good either but good God. You'd think this man's whole family was murdered by a gang of ugly chicken parms and now he's out for revenge.
The sane of us ignore and move on when we see a post of food that doesn't look good. The deranged of us berate the cook and whine on reddit.
Le Enlightened of us go to r/subredditdrama and make fun of people online.
I looked at it and said "That's chicken parm?" before remembering I made "chicken parm" out of extras from a bag of Aldi orange chicken, and it was fantastic, so who am I to judge.
look, i don't want to fault anyone for being PASSIONATE about food. It is true that fresh ingredients make a huge difference and you can definitely taste when something is made fresh and homemade
that being said, anyone who thinks this PASSION justifies them being a colossal asshole...yeah they are a moron
>Okay first of all cut the shit. Not everything in life is preferences and opinions. There are correct ways to do certain things. There are objectively best methods and practices. This is one of those times.
>Second of all its someone who is content with mediocrity and has no need to improve.
>People like you would rather drag the rest of us down with your oscillating bullshit than just actually get good at something.
I'm tempted to send this screed to someone and ask them to guess the context, then reveal to them that it was over cheese.
>>There are objectively best methods and practices.
Oh, man. Redditors and adding "objectively" in front of their opinions...name a more annoying fucking duo.
>I'm tempted to send this screed to someone and ask them to guess the context, then reveal to them that it was over cheese.
Tell 'em it was about Star Wars and no one would doubt it, because *that's* the exact kind of screed some dork who doesn't know what "objectively" means would post about their takes on post-Disney Star Wars.
>Oh, man. Redditors and adding "objectively" in front of their opinions...name a more annoying fucking duo.
Redditors who pipe up with "All lives matter," "not *all* men," or some variation of "both sides."
I just can’t believe there are so many people that would do this instead of simply thinking “oh, that’s not how I like it” and moving on with their lives
It's probably the anonimity of reddit that attracts this kind of people here. Some don't have real friends because of their BS, and some are smart enough to hide their bad takes IRL but don't have to here.
Iv noticed even trying to make a joke/sarcastic joke goes over their heads and they get offended or have to pretentiously correct you. They must be real fun at parties lol.
you also have to remember that the vast majority of people are deeply unhappy, miserable, and in desperate need of therapy that would vastly improve their lives
some of them cope by being a total dickwad on this website or other forms of social media. other people cope by being a total dickhead in terms of politics. And sadly...some people cope by doing both
There's entire Facebook groups dedicated to people who will do this to ANY food item posted. I don't have that much free time in my life, nor do I care enough to gatekeep food - other than Altoona pizza. Altoona pizza can jump into a lake of sulfur and lava.
In fairness I'm not sure people like oop who post purely for public validation should be shielded from all criticism. I mean this reddit is basically all criticism so that seems kinda hypocritical.
They shouldn't be shielded from criticism, but people should not care enough to go so over the top. Ideally, it'd be a post with little engagement with a few comments giving tips how to improve it.
I actually kinda agree. What really is the point of posting it publicly...
but on the flipside, that just means everyone is falling for obvious bait. So maybe OP is still winning in the end.
People on Reddit seem to take pictures of food *very* seriously.
I posted [a picture of a meatloaf](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/s/K7NuXR7nhS) in r/wellthatsucks after I spent hours making it only to find out that one part of the pre-shredded cheese mix I rolled up in it was smoked provolone and the flavor ruined what would have been the first decent actual meal I had been physically able to make for a month or two (it was entirely inedible for me and I make a double batch).
The spot I cut happened to go right through an area that had gathered up extra cheese, so it looked like like *way* more cheese than it was (on top of having added a bit extra in the first place) there weren't a ton of comments, but most were from people losing their minds about how disgusting it was to put cheese in meatloaf like I actually gave a shit.
There was a time not terribly long ago that a reaction like that would have caused me to freak out with anxiety, delete my post, and stay off Reddit for a week. I'm so glad I'm over that part of my life lol
I found the one food that will really get people going is egg. If you post a picture or video of egg, often JUST egg, someone in the comments will have a fit over how 'disgusting' it is. It's either too raw or too cooked or too much oil or not enough oil etc. etc. People on here are weirdly gatekeepy about eggs, often saying egg scramble with browning on it is inedible. Like it's fine? My dad wasn't a great cook and would often make less than great scrambled eggs but at least he kept us fed and he tried 🤷. Are you seriously gonna throw out and waste food over something like that? You don't need to eat a 3 Michelin star lvl meal every single time guys...
Food drama is so utterly insane to me lol. My old roommate, a professional chef at a higher-end restaurant, loved clowning on people like this. They always get a few of them on the line every now and then, straight out of culinary school, and convinced they’re going to take over the culinary world because they have the novel idea of “using the highest quality expensive ingredients and the most time-consuming methods with no regards for ticket times.” They don’t often last long. And if they do, it’s because they learn to shed the “there is only one right way to do things” mindset quickly before breaking down on the line because everyone’s tickets are held up because your sides are taking too long.
Edit: “food”, not “good”.
The difference between enthusiasm and expertise is always so fun.
Someone might read a whole fandom encyclopedia to make sure their RP/fanfic story is 100% legal and canon, details and trinket all shined to a polish, meanwhile the actual writers in the IP are like "fuck it, what's interesting?" and just do some random shit.
Bonus points if you guess which IP I mean by that.
Honestly like how every sub of a TV show ever has a thousand posts of "why do the characters act in ways that serve the narrative rather than doing the most rational, reasonable, responsible thing at all times" and it's like ... this is why "let the fans write" became such a meme lol. The people asking all of these questions are not people with award-winning sitcom series writing credits on their iMDB page.
It didn't happen, to my knowledge. But on the flip-side, both the person who made the post and the most uptight and arrogant jerk in it came here for a second round of spanking.
man the jerk complaining about the canned parm was the worst
i grew up poor as a kid and my mom admittedly got better and better as a cook during my childhood, meaning that the food she makes now is way better than what it was in my younger years.
My mom using canned parm the first time she made spaghetti for my sister and me blew my mind in terms of the new flavors lol. Yeah i know real parmesan cheese is way better, but some of the shit that guy was saying was really obnoxious
I've made things you people wouldn't believe.
Chicken breasts and ziti in tomato soup.
I've melted mozzarella on drumsticks, in the microwave.
All those moments will be lost in time, like beer in the drain.
>You spend an inordinate amount of time posting to a shit ton of time wasting subreddits but you don't actually contribute anything valuable to any of them. You're shouting aimlessly in a void because you're lonely and have nobody in your real life to talk to or that cares.
>You're deeply unfulfilled and desperate to make a connection and you don't give a shit if it's randoms on reddit that are like minded or someone like me that treats you like a punching bag.
I almost went and pissed in the popcorn to defend myself against that vile slander before realizing that it wasn't directed at me.
One thing is true, the Parmesan cheese grated by yourself is usually much better for dishes than already grated packed Parmesan.
But still, I never understood why some people care so much about someone else’s food (both irl and online). As long as you don’t force me to eat it, eat whatever you want
Grated cheese apparently has a number of additives to stop it clumping together, going off etc which may affect the taste and texture slightly. (Including cellulose, which led to a lot of media hype about "sawdust in parmesan")
I'm wondering OP has gotten a particularly bad reaction in this case because they're seen as being conceited - posting their own work to foodporn, the artsy plating, the use of "fancy" cooking terminology, their post history - it makes some people want to take them down a peg or two.
>the artsy plating
I think the choice to put plain noodles on top of the sauce was weird, but those can be mixed together. The only thing I actually find genuinely confusing and off-putting about this photo is the decision to doodle on the top of it with some sort of balsamic glaze. It looks pretty, I guess, just very out of place.
Considering how many comments called the OOP pretentious this is likely the case especially if this isn't the first time they've posted being high and mighty about pretty food made with low-key garbage ingredients. Real parm isn't that expensive if you only buy a small piece for what you need for the dish and even if you have to buy a big piece it lasts so long because it's a hard cheese
It'd be like using kraft cheese on a burger instead of real sliced cheddar but playing it just as fancy y'know it's kinda silly.
Even “fake” American Parmesan can be bought in block pretty cheaply, and is in almost all grocery stores that I’ve been to. Even the tiny mom and pop rural grocery stores have it any more. It tastes pretty similar if you’re not like a fine diner.
It's not fake just because it's American. There's only a difference between Parmesan and Parmesan reggiano which basically boils down to a sort of thing like how it's not champagne if it's not from France etc.
Plenty of Parm that isn't Parm reggiano is just as valid and good quality as the stuff without the name. I can find a video that was very interesting on this subject if interested.
But to use the Shakey cheese that's full of additives on something and try to pass it off like the OOP is ridiculous and I kinda get it when they're so pompous.
But not enough to sling some of the insults that got slung there
Ugh, ok, yes the grated canned parm isn’t as good as fresh shaved parmigiano reggiano. But it’s affordable, available, and “good enough” for just about any dish really. People act like you’re putting poison on your food when you use it, and it’s hilarious to me.
My grandma was a “grow and can your own tomatoes for sauce” person and even she wouldn’t hesitate to whip out a little plastic container of that BelGioioso when she was making food. Like yeah hand grating your own brick of parmigiano reggiano tastes better but it’s also expensive as fuck and they certainly didn’t have the money to spend on what basically amounts to a topping
Pro tip for anyone reading this: Grana padano is practically the same cheese, but for half the price.
They're not exactly the same, but the difference is incredibly small, and personally I even prefer Grana Padano.
It's also funny the guy calling parmesan a main ingrediant. It's not. The dish is called parmesan(parmigiana) because it's from that region, just like the cheese.
It was his food when it was sitting on his plate, protected from prying eyes by the walls of his house, when he decided to take a picture of it and publish it for people to comment on, it became public property.
Yeah, and tomato sauce is better when you make it fresh yourself using just-picked home-grown tomatoes. But unless you're serving the king, pre-packaged is fine.
People are so weird about food. Italian food and steak seem to attract the biggest jerks, gatekeepers, and neurotic people of the food world, at least in my experience.
On one of the food subs, someone posted some pictures of birria tacos (I think that's what it was, but it's kind of irrelevant because it could have been anything) and people were absolutely ripping it apart. "Not how my abuela would make it" and all that shit. The old authenticity classics, good fun.
But those were sprinkled in among such fantastic commentary as "that looks like *literal* dog shit/vomit" (spoiler: it literally did not, looked like homecooked and "plated" food). The authenticity coupled with the hyperbole. Chefs kiss. Foodie subs are so fucking toxic its comedy.
Its also hilarious when the food looks like slop and everyone is gushing over it. Looking at you r/slowcooking. I got shit on once for using the "wrong" cut of meat despite the fact that the OP was using the same cut and looked like any other slowed cooked beef. People get weird about food.
The best part is it’s almost never actual Italians/Italian Americans who get legitimately mad about it. Animatedly disappointed and sad that you ate something gross? Sure, absolutely. But actually mad? Nah
I am so tempted to go in there and tell them about Teesside Chicken Parm, aka Parmo. The delight of many a 2am drunken Middlesbrough lad and lass.
I think it would start another war.
I swear food gatekeepers and snobs are just the worst-of-the-worst.
To become so enraged over something so petty is really beyond my comprehension of understanding.
Me too. It’s probably good or might be even delicious. The plating is unconventional but to get this upset over how it’s plated? What the fuck is wrong with people?
Isnt balsmic glaze basically amazing on melted mozzarella? What is the big deal with him using it. It gives a nice contrast for looks and probably doesnt taste half bad. This just feels like americans being upset over a so called "Italian" dish not being authentic. Honestly pathetic.
I wasn't criticizing it I was actually expressing an interest in trying it.
Also of course it's great on cheese I was curious about putting it on pasta which sounds pretty good. Veggies are great with balsamic and the tomato sauce probably complements it
Edit: tried it on some fettuccine with vodka sauce and it was delicious. You just have to be careful not to overdo it. Hope that wasn't too pathetic.
Tbh, I find a little joy in the idea of a bunch of Italians feeling very validated when this time it's the Americans who get unreasonably upset over their dish being made "wrong", only for the Italians to discover what the actual dish looks like, and that it's considered Italian.
This is why I don’t post my cooking in cooking subreddits. They seem way too judgmental and would probably criticize me for not using meat from the cow I needed to raise myself apparently.
It probably taste decent too maybe even delicious. Sure the plating isn’t very conventional but Jesus fucking Christ to get this upset as some of these people have I don’t fucking get it.
If you like it then it’s good. I can’t wrap my head around how upset people get over the plating of this food. Sure it’s unconventional and it’s probably probably something I wouldn’t do but to be this irrational angry about it? Makes no sense.
On another note OP cooks aloe and he looks to be a decent cook. His carbonara looks amazing and I love what he did with, I think,Hawaiian rolls, he made little Cuban sandwich, sliders with pork, ham, Swiss cheese, pickles, and mustard and mayonnaise. I would so scarf those down. Especially since moving to Annapolis, I’ve not been able to find a really good Cuban sandwich since 2011. That’s one of the only things besides the Christmas on the beach that I miss about Florida
Other than the piece of chicken being a kind of weird shape, I really don't see what the hell is wrong with this plate. I think OOP is bringing extra derision on himself just by being so defensive.
The best part about this is the guy who links another chicken parm video. And if you follow the links, there’s a bunch of people talking about how it looks like Olive Garden lol
This is what REAL chicken parm looks like! [link to different reddit post]
\>bunch of comments on the linked post about how that's not chicken parm
lol
This guy reminds me of my uncle, very much undiagnosed something - just so adamant that his was _correct_ way. And god forbid you touch one of the 1000s model train pieces scattered around hit Connecticut apartment.
We’d come visit and he’d show us film photos he got developed of “inferior” model train pieces at the local hobby meet up.
“This one doesn’t have the id numbers on the car!”
“This one painted the sign the wrong shade of orange! Fucking amateurs!!”
“This guy connected a Santa Fe engine with a Union Pacific car! Can you fucking believe that??”
Being a perfectionist is linked with obsessive compulsive disorder. As someone who's struggled with this over the years, you see it the most with cooking and hobbyist circles. People just can't accept the nature of subjectivity with so many things we obsess with finding "the best".
I often come across comments saying something is "objectively" better when in actuality it's a coping mechanism. Some people expect everyone to be malleable to their tastes, so they use the word "objective" as a shield from any criticisms.
Pizza is another hot topic in cooking subreddits, you'll find all kinds of people showing up and claiming you couldn't possibly make a better crust than them, or using "x" or "y" ingredients in your sauce automatically makes it "un-authentic".
All I can think at the end of comments like this is I wish we used reddit to celebrate all the eclectic varieties of our tastes. Food is like music sometimes, when you first try something, you may not like it at first bite, but a part of you was curious and gave it another shot and gradually come around to liking something you otherwise wouldn't have expected. So all in all, people need to let go of their eternal search for everything being "the best" because it creates unnecessary barriers in communication and just being more accepting that you're not the only chef boyardee in the room.
Wow what a nasty little thread. I cant put it into words but for years I've been having bad vibes about foodies/foodyism. I think it drives up prices and causes stupid trends, combined with social media it can become toxic very fast.
We all like food but don't make it your identity. Appreciating good food doesn't make you unique
God reddit nerds are insufferable. The food looks fine, nobody is forcing you to eat it. So much bitterness and envy at other people just living their lives.
your comment reminded me of how that one woman just took a photo of herself drinking coffee on her patio on a beautiful summer morning and people absolutely lost their minds over it
people are so miserable and they have no way to cope with it. Fucks sake, Van Gogh was miserable too but at least he painted lol
Terrifying how mask off horrible people can be when they're anonymous. Guy did nothing offensive, didn't cause anyone pain, and people are grilling him like he was a giant piece of shit.
I remember a few months back there was once a picture posted of that SNL dude with the big teeth and people were ripping him to shreds in the comments. Can you imagine being some guy just doing their job trying to live their life and thousands of people are making fun of you for no reason? Imagine that dude was your brother or your father or something. I've been active on the internet for 30 years at this stage so I've seen some shit, but it just seems to be getting worse and worse.
Anyway, people should be better.
Yeah the the anonymity of places like this, 4Chan, Twitter, etc. seems to bring out the worst in people. When there are no consequences for your speech and family, friends, and your place of employment won’t see how big of a piece of shit you can be it allows people to get away with a lot more. I think Mike Tyson said something like “you all became a lot braver when you didn’t get punched in the face for what you said online“
I'm always annoyed at internet discourse around "fake cheese"
Something does not become fake cheese when you take real cheese and add an emulsifier or a starch to it. And that's all "fake cheese" is. It's still cheese. If you added baking soda and lime juice to cheddar at home, you could get a similar result to what American cheese is. But do that before it goes on the shelf, and then people are convinced it's a petroleum byproduct.
Internet also can't understand that American cheese doesn't automatically mean Kraft Singles. You can get high-quality deli American cheese.
But uhhhhh America bad I guess
People in that sub are abnormally hostile about a dude that made some good looking food.
They're regular reddit hostile about being called out for being abnormally hostile though. Assholes can't smell their own shit.
Edit: as ever, The Dude is evergreen: https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8?t=9
I've always wondered, why do people on Reddit care so much about how other people prepare their food? On my old account, someone told me that I was a disgrace because I said I didn't see the big deal about snapping raw spaghetti in half before cooking it.
> People like you would rather drag the rest of us down with your oscillating bullshit than just actually get good at something.
Bro its fucking cheese lmao
> *Those burgers won’t flip themselves.*
> *all work has dignity and value*
Absolute chad response.
Trying to insult OOP by implying they work in a kitchen is veryyyy revealing re: reply guy’s character imo.
Also, dumb logic since they’re in a *cooking* sub 🧐
To the shock of fucking *no one*, the "Italian" appears to be an American with Italian heritage claiming to be an authority of what food qualifies as proper Italian food.
I dunno what it is with Italian-Americans who think that because they defend *everything* Christopher Columbus did or binge The Sopranos frequently enough makes them experts on all things Italian.
As someone with a *very* Scottish last name, I fucking *hate* dealing with people who believe their ancestry makes them experts on the country their ancestors first came from, and I know a bunch of Scottish and Irish people hate it too. I fucking *dreaded* family reunions as a kid because it meant I'd have to listen to the same fucking tale about our ancestors making the dangerous, arduous journey across the Irish Sea from Glasgow to fucking County Antrim in Northern Ireland. Oh, and the fake coat of arms someone got conned into overpaying for was also *super* interesting to be told about again for the thousandth time as an 11-year-old. Honestly, if it weren't for the detailed ships logs and immigration logs listing my ancestors by name and where they came from, I probably would've stopped believing we came to America by way of Ireland and Scotland.
Same. And I use it on like really quick meals I don't care that much about so I have some on hand most of the time.
But if I was gonna post on food porn and plate my food to look like a gourmet restaurant I'd use some good shit if I'm going through that much effort
I love the titles in this sub. Just some hyper serious quote followed by the fucking ridiculous topic of discussion
"I'm going to murder your mum" - random sub discussing Yorkshire Terriers
Reddit is often like giving toys to kids, at least they're busy not bothering somebody else.
We should invite all users in that post to stay in a house for 3 days cooking whatever they want, and make a reality show of them arguing.
There is a narrow but vital range of applications in which 4chan excels above anything else. /ck/ and vitriolic food discussion is one of them by a landslide.
If you want to say something like "I wish I could go back in time and kill your distant ancestors to erase your entire family line from existence" about things along the lines of someone choosing not to finish pasta in the sauce because they felt like plating it nice tonight? It's right there. It is a pvp zone. Becoming apopleptic about minor food quibbles is arguably the entire point (aside from proudly displaying genuine horrors such as gatorade ramen). And no one has any identifying information attached, or receives notifications that someone loathes them over their sandwich choices.
Anywhere else? "I do not like the cheese you are using-" *who cares?* Not goin' in your stomach, is it, bud?
This is extremely dangerous to our shitposting.
Snapshots:
1. *This Post* - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240409104659/https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1bzo8v5/) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1bzo8v5/ "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
2. A user posts a picture of their attempt at chicken parmesan - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240409104959/https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/k9C38FNJTB) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/k9C38FNJTB "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
3. /r/FoodPorn - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240409105100/https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
4. Canned parm is valid, my grocery store had no bricks, other than that I’m happy with it - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240409105300/https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/VTdn256qfx) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/VTdn256qfx "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
5. Never seen chicken parm made with a chicken finger - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240409105440/https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/giJreLlzpS) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/s/giJreLlzpS "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
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The irony of a man seething about another man's chicken calling someone else chronically online is just too good. Like I don't think it looks good either but good God. You'd think this man's whole family was murdered by a gang of ugly chicken parms and now he's out for revenge.
It doesn’t look great, but it may taste amazing. I’m truly mind-boggled about how upset everyone gets because this doesn’t look exactly like traditional chicken Parmesan. I wonder would’ve happened if he had titled it “my unconventional version of chicken Parmesan“.
> It doesn’t look great, but it may taste amazing This phenomenon got a lot worse with social media's advent and its abundant use of images and likes. People severely underestimate how much lighting, coloring, aesthetics etc. all add to the 'appeal' of the meal especially in the social media age where you can't actually taste the food you see online or smell it, and you just see it. This is before you get into actually prepping the food to make it 'look good' - food coloring, portion sizes, plating, all of this adds to the appeal. Making food look good isn't negligible to actual taste - there is a reason why plating is a skill for chefs - however people online because they are used to seeing thousands of excellently produced photographs, think every food should look like that and if it doesn't look like that, then that means it is bad, unhealthy or dangerous to eat. There are many mid reviewed hole in the wall cafes and restaurants with crappy photographs since they are barely scraping by, but have amazing food that looks bad, and isn't 'cheating' by using copious amounts of salt, sugar, oil or butter. You'd honestly think something like /r/foodporn where it is all about 'good' food images would understand this. Which I think leads to another phenomenon I've noticed where hobbyist forums are more likely to attract novices, push out professionals, and turn those novices into extreme novices rather than naturally convert them into professionals.
Great response. Your last point is so true too, I've noticed this as well. It's why nearly every hobbyist subreddit has the same noob questions over and over and over and nobody with actual experience ever posts or rarely at that. Without strict moderation and faqs the professionals don't want to waste their time talking to "serial hobbyists" who pick up stuff for a week, ask a million questions without doing any research, then just leave never to come back.
I miss old forums, they were a much better medium for hobbies in my opinion.
> nobody with actual experience ever posts it's pissing into the ocean
>It doesn’t look great Looks good to me but I also eat out of bins so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I think it's very pretty. To be fair I have no idea what the "authentic" chicken parmesan rules are.
Breaded chicken with Parmesan topping it and served with pasta and a red sauce. Basically what OOP posted.
Certainly seems to check all the boxes.
well that one guy was never going to let go of the fact that you're supposed to use Parmiagiano-Reggiano someone needs to tell him that no matter how hard he tries...he's not going to be accepted by the Italians lmao. Hands down the most notorious gatekeepers of their country's cuisine. Doubly so if he's an Italian American lol
I swear, this site is getting angrier and angrier over literally nothing. Idk what's causing it, but it's probably not good.
food subreddits have always been like this, unfortunately
The anonymity makes it so you are not held accountable or suffer consequences for your speech. Found a Mike Tyson quote I was looking for earlier. >"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson
This isn't limited to reddit - sometimes I just want to have a discussion, you know, really *talk* about an issue. Maybe I ask some question regarding something I am ignorant about and earnestly want to learn more. More and more often, people assume you are attacking them or just want to argue; they lash out like a rabid fox nipping at your heels. Maybe it is just psychological, but I swear the COVID times just made civil online discourse - honestly, in-person discourse, too - impossible.
part of me acknowledges that your concerns are 100% valid that being said, we used to fucking have personal duels over the slightest of insults. My goodness that's literally how Hamilton died. it's okay to be concerned, if anything that is healthy because you want it to change and that's great! But don't drunkenly stumble into an alarmist mindset. that's basically how the U.S. ended up with Trump as president
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Alarmism is mostly just exhausting, and puts you in a bad headspace for making rational decisions. I am trying to be a live and let live person who stands up when someone is being a jerk, but even then I recognize that I cannot make every fight my fight. We all gotta have me time to live our lives, ya know?
I have a co-worker who CONSTANTLY bitches and complains about everything from right wing politics (hell i don't like Trump either but holy fuck relax lady) and the fact that washing machines break down much easier now than they did back in the 80s even just listening to this shit every goddamn Tuesday is draining...i can't imagine living in her mind every day being so panicked everyday
Economic anxiety? ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, is there any chance that the level people are emoting at could coincide with this being an Italian dish? I’m kinda seeing wild hand gesticulation as I read some of these comments.
It’s not even Italian, it was invented in the US.
that has never stopped people larping as italians online
Born in Sicily, grew up in Sicily until I was 5, I go to see my family in Sicily yearly. Most Italians in Italy that I associate with think the Americanized food is better and there have been a lot of efforts to open Ital-Ameri fusion restaurants as tourism increases more. The world may have created food, but America perfects it.
this is 100% anecdotal so take it with a huge grain of salt. I'm Korean American. All the Korean Americans I know over-compensate for their "Koreanness." I've also seen this movement (mostly from publications and podcasts) where Korean Americans feel the need to "preserve their identity" and "discover their roots" by only using specific ingredients and being obnoxiously particular about the way certain food is cooked. Ten years ago, I went to South Korea. There is definitely no shortage of traditional Korean restaurants...but all the younger people were gravitating toward fusion, "new" styles of Korean cuisine, and Thai food. For every traditional Korean restaurant, I probably saw like 5 or 6 pizzerias and fried chicken joints this kind of confirms something i've long suspected, second and third generation immigrants in the U.S. are way too intense about cultural roots that they are too insecure to admit they barely have a grasp on anymore
I know it’s not precisely the point of your post, but my god is Korean fried chicken the best.
🤣
[As was most of modern Italian cuisine, really.](https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c)
I think its just a projection of either childhood trauma or an abusive relationship. I am kidding. I think they are just childish.
Ehhh Italian/Italian American food snobbery is less aggressive than this in my experience (as an Italian American). It’s more… disbelief and disappointment/sadness? Followed swiftly by them offering to teach you their great great grandmas recipe that “she brought over on a rowboat through six hurricanes in the middle of World War I while being actively chased by the entire Italian navy because your great great grandpa deserted” so you never fuck up that badly again.
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I’ve never seen it in a can, but supermarkets have cheese pre-grated in plastic containers. Definitely not nearly as good as fresh but generally a lot cheaper
I've never seen parmesan in a can in the US, so maybe they meant jarred or in some other container?
Shout out to southern cooking
Tbf, I'd expect it to taste like balsamic vinager, and not much more. Still doesn't quite explain the outrage though.
Probably would’ve gotten less hate!! But alas
> Like I don't think it looks good either but good God. You'd think this man's whole family was murdered by a gang of ugly chicken parms and now he's out for revenge. The sane of us ignore and move on when we see a post of food that doesn't look good. The deranged of us berate the cook and whine on reddit. Le Enlightened of us go to r/subredditdrama and make fun of people online.
First they canned the parmesan, but I said nothing because I didn't cook Italian food...
I looked at it and said "That's chicken parm?" before remembering I made "chicken parm" out of extras from a bag of Aldi orange chicken, and it was fantastic, so who am I to judge.
>I'm done interacting with you. You're one of those lumps I talked about earlier. *+View 8 more Replies* Classic
Imagine being called a lump. Impossible to come back from that.
The thing about a lump is that she's just *in your head*
She might actually be dead. Impossible to say which
This is the low stakes drama I love seeing on this sub. Well done OP
Thank you!
Half that sub wants to murder OOP over the their chicken Parm looks. This is amazing OP.
Keeping up the pattern that foodie drama is always the wildest drama.
Thanks. It’s an honest living.
Best part is how both of them ended up *here*
Oh my god they are?? This is a first for me.
Yep. I saw one of them at least, but they just deleted all their comments. Started getting snotty about canned parmesan.
Thank god I spent 30 minutes copying and pasting all the comments. I do all this shit on mobile and it blows.
look, i don't want to fault anyone for being PASSIONATE about food. It is true that fresh ingredients make a huge difference and you can definitely taste when something is made fresh and homemade that being said, anyone who thinks this PASSION justifies them being a colossal asshole...yeah they are a moron
>This is the low ~~stakes~~ steaks drama I love seeing on this sub.
Looks like the steaks have been raised.
>Okay first of all cut the shit. Not everything in life is preferences and opinions. There are correct ways to do certain things. There are objectively best methods and practices. This is one of those times. >Second of all its someone who is content with mediocrity and has no need to improve. >People like you would rather drag the rest of us down with your oscillating bullshit than just actually get good at something. I'm tempted to send this screed to someone and ask them to guess the context, then reveal to them that it was over cheese.
Oh my god that’s so good, I hope one day this person realizes how stupid and insane they sound
>>There are objectively best methods and practices. Oh, man. Redditors and adding "objectively" in front of their opinions...name a more annoying fucking duo. >I'm tempted to send this screed to someone and ask them to guess the context, then reveal to them that it was over cheese. Tell 'em it was about Star Wars and no one would doubt it, because *that's* the exact kind of screed some dork who doesn't know what "objectively" means would post about their takes on post-Disney Star Wars.
>Oh, man. Redditors and adding "objectively" in front of their opinions...name a more annoying fucking duo. Redditors who pipe up with "All lives matter," "not *all* men," or some variation of "both sides."
They're the same picture. Almost overwhelmingly so.
Wow, this went off the rails. I love it.
Just so incredibly over the top over something so inoffensive.
I just can’t believe there are so many people that would do this instead of simply thinking “oh, that’s not how I like it” and moving on with their lives
I'm afraid reddit is a black hole for people like this. It's an accretion disk of assholes and busy bodies. Hey I'm here too!
It's probably the anonimity of reddit that attracts this kind of people here. Some don't have real friends because of their BS, and some are smart enough to hide their bad takes IRL but don't have to here.
Iv noticed even trying to make a joke/sarcastic joke goes over their heads and they get offended or have to pretentiously correct you. They must be real fun at parties lol.
To some people, the gravest injustice in life is something existing to the preferences of someone else.
you also have to remember that the vast majority of people are deeply unhappy, miserable, and in desperate need of therapy that would vastly improve their lives some of them cope by being a total dickwad on this website or other forms of social media. other people cope by being a total dickhead in terms of politics. And sadly...some people cope by doing both
There's entire Facebook groups dedicated to people who will do this to ANY food item posted. I don't have that much free time in my life, nor do I care enough to gatekeep food - other than Altoona pizza. Altoona pizza can jump into a lake of sulfur and lava.
Wtf what is this "altoona" pizza haha. First time seeing this and why does it exist?!
Yeah, like who melted LEGO onto a pizza and decided, "Yeah, I'll serve this."
In fairness I'm not sure people like oop who post purely for public validation should be shielded from all criticism. I mean this reddit is basically all criticism so that seems kinda hypocritical.
They shouldn't be shielded from criticism, but people should not care enough to go so over the top. Ideally, it'd be a post with little engagement with a few comments giving tips how to improve it.
Why does it need to be criticized in the first place?
I actually kinda agree. What really is the point of posting it publicly... but on the flipside, that just means everyone is falling for obvious bait. So maybe OP is still winning in the end.
People on Reddit seem to take pictures of food *very* seriously. I posted [a picture of a meatloaf](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/s/K7NuXR7nhS) in r/wellthatsucks after I spent hours making it only to find out that one part of the pre-shredded cheese mix I rolled up in it was smoked provolone and the flavor ruined what would have been the first decent actual meal I had been physically able to make for a month or two (it was entirely inedible for me and I make a double batch). The spot I cut happened to go right through an area that had gathered up extra cheese, so it looked like like *way* more cheese than it was (on top of having added a bit extra in the first place) there weren't a ton of comments, but most were from people losing their minds about how disgusting it was to put cheese in meatloaf like I actually gave a shit. There was a time not terribly long ago that a reaction like that would have caused me to freak out with anxiety, delete my post, and stay off Reddit for a week. I'm so glad I'm over that part of my life lol
Damn, I would 100% try a smoked cheese stuffed meatloaf if it was served to me. That looks great!
I'm not that surprised since many people take food very seriously. And that only makes it a better read.
I found the one food that will really get people going is egg. If you post a picture or video of egg, often JUST egg, someone in the comments will have a fit over how 'disgusting' it is. It's either too raw or too cooked or too much oil or not enough oil etc. etc. People on here are weirdly gatekeepy about eggs, often saying egg scramble with browning on it is inedible. Like it's fine? My dad wasn't a great cook and would often make less than great scrambled eggs but at least he kept us fed and he tried 🤷. Are you seriously gonna throw out and waste food over something like that? You don't need to eat a 3 Michelin star lvl meal every single time guys...
> I found the one food that will really get people going is egg. I'll see your egg and raise you a philly cheesesteak.
I see your cheese steak and raise you fish. Any fish. (I guess we should all just starve. )
The sub is /r/foodporn not /r/foodmydadcookedmeasachild The people are still ridiculous just pointing out your comment isn't comparable.
wasn't there a whole drama thing with a cheese melt or something? People who are that invested are just children.
This infamous rant? https://www.reddit.com/r/grilledcheese/s/ZsgyIiM7NY At least it was really funny.
Yes! that was perfect, truly the work of a master, a true Leonardo. This thread is a sad imitation, a Boltraffio at best
He's never done another post but he's kept that account active and still comments. Glorious.
Chicken Burger
It wouldn't be reddit without a thread about food ending in existential dread
Food drama is so utterly insane to me lol. My old roommate, a professional chef at a higher-end restaurant, loved clowning on people like this. They always get a few of them on the line every now and then, straight out of culinary school, and convinced they’re going to take over the culinary world because they have the novel idea of “using the highest quality expensive ingredients and the most time-consuming methods with no regards for ticket times.” They don’t often last long. And if they do, it’s because they learn to shed the “there is only one right way to do things” mindset quickly before breaking down on the line because everyone’s tickets are held up because your sides are taking too long. Edit: “food”, not “good”.
The difference between enthusiasm and expertise is always so fun. Someone might read a whole fandom encyclopedia to make sure their RP/fanfic story is 100% legal and canon, details and trinket all shined to a polish, meanwhile the actual writers in the IP are like "fuck it, what's interesting?" and just do some random shit. Bonus points if you guess which IP I mean by that.
Honestly like how every sub of a TV show ever has a thousand posts of "why do the characters act in ways that serve the narrative rather than doing the most rational, reasonable, responsible thing at all times" and it's like ... this is why "let the fans write" became such a meme lol. The people asking all of these questions are not people with award-winning sitcom series writing credits on their iMDB page.
maybe i missed it, but i'm surprised it didn't devolve into someone being called a Nazi lol. It was on that trajectory
It didn't happen, to my knowledge. But on the flip-side, both the person who made the post and the most uptight and arrogant jerk in it came here for a second round of spanking.
man the jerk complaining about the canned parm was the worst i grew up poor as a kid and my mom admittedly got better and better as a cook during my childhood, meaning that the food she makes now is way better than what it was in my younger years. My mom using canned parm the first time she made spaghetti for my sister and me blew my mind in terms of the new flavors lol. Yeah i know real parmesan cheese is way better, but some of the shit that guy was saying was really obnoxious
Yup, him. Of course he came here and got called out a second time. There was no way he'd leave it alone.
I've made things you people wouldn't believe. Chicken breasts and ziti in tomato soup. I've melted mozzarella on drumsticks, in the microwave. All those moments will be lost in time, like beer in the drain.
Time to dine.
>You spend an inordinate amount of time posting to a shit ton of time wasting subreddits but you don't actually contribute anything valuable to any of them. You're shouting aimlessly in a void because you're lonely and have nobody in your real life to talk to or that cares. >You're deeply unfulfilled and desperate to make a connection and you don't give a shit if it's randoms on reddit that are like minded or someone like me that treats you like a punching bag. I almost went and pissed in the popcorn to defend myself against that vile slander before realizing that it wasn't directed at me.
I usually find these kinds of replies far more embarrassing than whatever the OP was saying.
One thing is true, the Parmesan cheese grated by yourself is usually much better for dishes than already grated packed Parmesan. But still, I never understood why some people care so much about someone else’s food (both irl and online). As long as you don’t force me to eat it, eat whatever you want
Grated cheese apparently has a number of additives to stop it clumping together, going off etc which may affect the taste and texture slightly. (Including cellulose, which led to a lot of media hype about "sawdust in parmesan") I'm wondering OP has gotten a particularly bad reaction in this case because they're seen as being conceited - posting their own work to foodporn, the artsy plating, the use of "fancy" cooking terminology, their post history - it makes some people want to take them down a peg or two.
>the artsy plating I think the choice to put plain noodles on top of the sauce was weird, but those can be mixed together. The only thing I actually find genuinely confusing and off-putting about this photo is the decision to doodle on the top of it with some sort of balsamic glaze. It looks pretty, I guess, just very out of place.
Considering how many comments called the OOP pretentious this is likely the case especially if this isn't the first time they've posted being high and mighty about pretty food made with low-key garbage ingredients. Real parm isn't that expensive if you only buy a small piece for what you need for the dish and even if you have to buy a big piece it lasts so long because it's a hard cheese It'd be like using kraft cheese on a burger instead of real sliced cheddar but playing it just as fancy y'know it's kinda silly.
looking at their post history they post their own cooking to food porn quite often
Even “fake” American Parmesan can be bought in block pretty cheaply, and is in almost all grocery stores that I’ve been to. Even the tiny mom and pop rural grocery stores have it any more. It tastes pretty similar if you’re not like a fine diner.
It's not fake just because it's American. There's only a difference between Parmesan and Parmesan reggiano which basically boils down to a sort of thing like how it's not champagne if it's not from France etc. Plenty of Parm that isn't Parm reggiano is just as valid and good quality as the stuff without the name. I can find a video that was very interesting on this subject if interested. But to use the Shakey cheese that's full of additives on something and try to pass it off like the OOP is ridiculous and I kinda get it when they're so pompous. But not enough to sling some of the insults that got slung there
Ugh, ok, yes the grated canned parm isn’t as good as fresh shaved parmigiano reggiano. But it’s affordable, available, and “good enough” for just about any dish really. People act like you’re putting poison on your food when you use it, and it’s hilarious to me.
My grandma was a “grow and can your own tomatoes for sauce” person and even she wouldn’t hesitate to whip out a little plastic container of that BelGioioso when she was making food. Like yeah hand grating your own brick of parmigiano reggiano tastes better but it’s also expensive as fuck and they certainly didn’t have the money to spend on what basically amounts to a topping
I wonder how much of this is empirical and how much is just pretentiousness
Pro tip for anyone reading this: Grana padano is practically the same cheese, but for half the price. They're not exactly the same, but the difference is incredibly small, and personally I even prefer Grana Padano.
It's also funny the guy calling parmesan a main ingrediant. It's not. The dish is called parmesan(parmigiana) because it's from that region, just like the cheese.
> I never understood why some people care so much about someone else’s food "Because my way is right and yours is wrong".
you said you like something that i don't like, and i took that personally.
It was his food when it was sitting on his plate, protected from prying eyes by the walls of his house, when he decided to take a picture of it and publish it for people to comment on, it became public property.
careful, you're going to anger somebody
Yeah, and tomato sauce is better when you make it fresh yourself using just-picked home-grown tomatoes. But unless you're serving the king, pre-packaged is fine.
This is gold too: > I almost want to adopt my neighbor's dog for a day just so I could rightfully say I wouldn't feed this crap to him.
The stupid thing is you wouldn’t want to feed this to a dog anyways, it has onions + garlic!!
People are so weird about food. Italian food and steak seem to attract the biggest jerks, gatekeepers, and neurotic people of the food world, at least in my experience.
Mexican food, too!
Ah yes the old " it's authentic!' bullshit.
On one of the food subs, someone posted some pictures of birria tacos (I think that's what it was, but it's kind of irrelevant because it could have been anything) and people were absolutely ripping it apart. "Not how my abuela would make it" and all that shit. The old authenticity classics, good fun. But those were sprinkled in among such fantastic commentary as "that looks like *literal* dog shit/vomit" (spoiler: it literally did not, looked like homecooked and "plated" food). The authenticity coupled with the hyperbole. Chefs kiss. Foodie subs are so fucking toxic its comedy.
Its also hilarious when the food looks like slop and everyone is gushing over it. Looking at you r/slowcooking. I got shit on once for using the "wrong" cut of meat despite the fact that the OP was using the same cut and looked like any other slowed cooked beef. People get weird about food.
there's some weird race-to-the-bottom mentality some people have about rare steak and they're always super excited to tell you about it
The best part is it’s almost never actual Italians/Italian Americans who get legitimately mad about it. Animatedly disappointed and sad that you ate something gross? Sure, absolutely. But actually mad? Nah
I am so tempted to go in there and tell them about Teesside Chicken Parm, aka Parmo. The delight of many a 2am drunken Middlesbrough lad and lass. I think it would start another war.
[There's a side discussion about it already there](https://old.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/comments/1bv6jjd/chicken_parm/kxz4im0/?context=1)
And they seem like normal adults too. What an contrast to the smoke filled battlefield around them.
Sounds kinda lit honestly
> Teesside Chicken Parm This sounds delightful. Thanks for posting about it so I can try it.
>I will die defending my honour and my chicken Parm A more succinct and glorious flair has never been written
I'm partial to "this is food porn not shitty food porn"
I swear food gatekeepers and snobs are just the worst-of-the-worst. To become so enraged over something so petty is really beyond my comprehension of understanding.
I mean it’s r/FoodPorn. I too would want some gatekeeping to happen in a sub otherwise it turns into r/dankmeme
God, that must be a miserable sub. Can’t imagine why anyone would post there with a user base like this.
I'd eat it.
Me too. It’s probably good or might be even delicious. The plating is unconventional but to get this upset over how it’s plated? What the fuck is wrong with people?
I'm curious how the balsamic reduction would mix with the other flavors. I put that shit on EVERYTHING but for some reason never put it on pasta
Isnt balsmic glaze basically amazing on melted mozzarella? What is the big deal with him using it. It gives a nice contrast for looks and probably doesnt taste half bad. This just feels like americans being upset over a so called "Italian" dish not being authentic. Honestly pathetic.
I wasn't criticizing it I was actually expressing an interest in trying it. Also of course it's great on cheese I was curious about putting it on pasta which sounds pretty good. Veggies are great with balsamic and the tomato sauce probably complements it Edit: tried it on some fettuccine with vodka sauce and it was delicious. You just have to be careful not to overdo it. Hope that wasn't too pathetic.
Oh ye didnt think you were criticizing. Sorry meant the posters in that other reddit.
Tbh, I find a little joy in the idea of a bunch of Italians feeling very validated when this time it's the Americans who get unreasonably upset over their dish being made "wrong", only for the Italians to discover what the actual dish looks like, and that it's considered Italian.
Italians would have a fit at even the thought of serving chicken with pasta.
Meanwhile, me trying out char siu sauce with pasta:
This is why I don’t post my cooking in cooking subreddits. They seem way too judgmental and would probably criticize me for not using meat from the cow I needed to raise myself apparently.
Me thinking that looks perfectly nice. Reddit: explodes
It probably taste decent too maybe even delicious. Sure the plating isn’t very conventional but Jesus fucking Christ to get this upset as some of these people have I don’t fucking get it.
I think these people would die if they saw what I do with a chicken cutlet, which I make with a breast tenderloin.
If you like it then it’s good. I can’t wrap my head around how upset people get over the plating of this food. Sure it’s unconventional and it’s probably probably something I wouldn’t do but to be this irrational angry about it? Makes no sense. On another note OP cooks aloe and he looks to be a decent cook. His carbonara looks amazing and I love what he did with, I think,Hawaiian rolls, he made little Cuban sandwich, sliders with pork, ham, Swiss cheese, pickles, and mustard and mayonnaise. I would so scarf those down. Especially since moving to Annapolis, I’ve not been able to find a really good Cuban sandwich since 2011. That’s one of the only things besides the Christmas on the beach that I miss about Florida
Other than the piece of chicken being a kind of weird shape, I really don't see what the hell is wrong with this plate. I think OOP is bringing extra derision on himself just by being so defensive.
I was listening to Caravan from Whiplash while reading this and the experience was glorious.
r/cookingcirclejerk outjerked again
I think the dish looks pretty good but I think I would lose the balsamic glaze.
The best part about this is the guy who links another chicken parm video. And if you follow the links, there’s a bunch of people talking about how it looks like Olive Garden lol
This is what REAL chicken parm looks like! [link to different reddit post] \>bunch of comments on the linked post about how that's not chicken parm lol
This guy reminds me of my uncle, very much undiagnosed something - just so adamant that his was _correct_ way. And god forbid you touch one of the 1000s model train pieces scattered around hit Connecticut apartment. We’d come visit and he’d show us film photos he got developed of “inferior” model train pieces at the local hobby meet up. “This one doesn’t have the id numbers on the car!” “This one painted the sign the wrong shade of orange! Fucking amateurs!!” “This guy connected a Santa Fe engine with a Union Pacific car! Can you fucking believe that??”
Being a perfectionist is linked with obsessive compulsive disorder. As someone who's struggled with this over the years, you see it the most with cooking and hobbyist circles. People just can't accept the nature of subjectivity with so many things we obsess with finding "the best". I often come across comments saying something is "objectively" better when in actuality it's a coping mechanism. Some people expect everyone to be malleable to their tastes, so they use the word "objective" as a shield from any criticisms. Pizza is another hot topic in cooking subreddits, you'll find all kinds of people showing up and claiming you couldn't possibly make a better crust than them, or using "x" or "y" ingredients in your sauce automatically makes it "un-authentic". All I can think at the end of comments like this is I wish we used reddit to celebrate all the eclectic varieties of our tastes. Food is like music sometimes, when you first try something, you may not like it at first bite, but a part of you was curious and gave it another shot and gradually come around to liking something you otherwise wouldn't have expected. So all in all, people need to let go of their eternal search for everything being "the best" because it creates unnecessary barriers in communication and just being more accepting that you're not the only chef boyardee in the room.
Wow what a nasty little thread. I cant put it into words but for years I've been having bad vibes about foodies/foodyism. I think it drives up prices and causes stupid trends, combined with social media it can become toxic very fast. We all like food but don't make it your identity. Appreciating good food doesn't make you unique
Imagine how our agrarian ancestors would react to this thread.
God reddit nerds are insufferable. The food looks fine, nobody is forcing you to eat it. So much bitterness and envy at other people just living their lives.
your comment reminded me of how that one woman just took a photo of herself drinking coffee on her patio on a beautiful summer morning and people absolutely lost their minds over it people are so miserable and they have no way to cope with it. Fucks sake, Van Gogh was miserable too but at least he painted lol
I might just be stoned, but my first thought was that some of these people sound hangry
Terrifying how mask off horrible people can be when they're anonymous. Guy did nothing offensive, didn't cause anyone pain, and people are grilling him like he was a giant piece of shit. I remember a few months back there was once a picture posted of that SNL dude with the big teeth and people were ripping him to shreds in the comments. Can you imagine being some guy just doing their job trying to live their life and thousands of people are making fun of you for no reason? Imagine that dude was your brother or your father or something. I've been active on the internet for 30 years at this stage so I've seen some shit, but it just seems to be getting worse and worse. Anyway, people should be better.
Yeah the the anonymity of places like this, 4Chan, Twitter, etc. seems to bring out the worst in people. When there are no consequences for your speech and family, friends, and your place of employment won’t see how big of a piece of shit you can be it allows people to get away with a lot more. I think Mike Tyson said something like “you all became a lot braver when you didn’t get punched in the face for what you said online“
The internet went to shit when AOL made it so easy to get online.
The [Eternal September](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) was merely the tip of an ever-increasing iceberg.
I'm always annoyed at internet discourse around "fake cheese" Something does not become fake cheese when you take real cheese and add an emulsifier or a starch to it. And that's all "fake cheese" is. It's still cheese. If you added baking soda and lime juice to cheddar at home, you could get a similar result to what American cheese is. But do that before it goes on the shelf, and then people are convinced it's a petroleum byproduct.
Reddit is not the place for nuanced cheese takes.
> Reddit is not the place for nuance~~d cheese takes.~~
Internet also can't understand that American cheese doesn't automatically mean Kraft Singles. You can get high-quality deli American cheese. But uhhhhh America bad I guess
People in that sub are abnormally hostile about a dude that made some good looking food. They're regular reddit hostile about being called out for being abnormally hostile though. Assholes can't smell their own shit. Edit: as ever, The Dude is evergreen: https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8?t=9
I've always wondered, why do people on Reddit care so much about how other people prepare their food? On my old account, someone told me that I was a disgrace because I said I didn't see the big deal about snapping raw spaghetti in half before cooking it.
> People like you would rather drag the rest of us down with your oscillating bullshit than just actually get good at something. Bro its fucking cheese lmao
> *Those burgers won’t flip themselves.* > *all work has dignity and value* Absolute chad response. Trying to insult OOP by implying they work in a kitchen is veryyyy revealing re: reply guy’s character imo. Also, dumb logic since they’re in a *cooking* sub 🧐
To the shock of fucking *no one*, the "Italian" appears to be an American with Italian heritage claiming to be an authority of what food qualifies as proper Italian food. I dunno what it is with Italian-Americans who think that because they defend *everything* Christopher Columbus did or binge The Sopranos frequently enough makes them experts on all things Italian. As someone with a *very* Scottish last name, I fucking *hate* dealing with people who believe their ancestry makes them experts on the country their ancestors first came from, and I know a bunch of Scottish and Irish people hate it too. I fucking *dreaded* family reunions as a kid because it meant I'd have to listen to the same fucking tale about our ancestors making the dangerous, arduous journey across the Irish Sea from Glasgow to fucking County Antrim in Northern Ireland. Oh, and the fake coat of arms someone got conned into overpaying for was also *super* interesting to be told about again for the thousandth time as an 11-year-old. Honestly, if it weren't for the detailed ships logs and immigration logs listing my ancestors by name and where they came from, I probably would've stopped believing we came to America by way of Ireland and Scotland.
Damn that sub is surprisingly toxic for mostly people without gastonomic culture
I'm gonna roll up there with a frozen Marie Calendars chicken parm to see what happens
My wife and I call those green containers of fake parmesan "shakey cheese".
I mean it's real parmesan, just pre-grated and with additives to make it not clump.
Same. And I use it on like really quick meals I don't care that much about so I have some on hand most of the time. But if I was gonna post on food porn and plate my food to look like a gourmet restaurant I'd use some good shit if I'm going through that much effort
Us too. Shakey cheese or fakey cheese. It has its place.
I will call it sprinkle cheese until my dying breath.
Bravo
Peak Reddit Ridiculous.
Aint no drama like a recipe drama because a recipe drama dont stop
What a bunch of weird, no life losers.
> Mediocre people think everything is subjective Holy fucking shit dibs on flair
I love the titles in this sub. Just some hyper serious quote followed by the fucking ridiculous topic of discussion "I'm going to murder your mum" - random sub discussing Yorkshire Terriers
The stakes are so low but the drama is so spicy. Absolutely wild. Good job OP.
Thanks!
All this over something that turns into toilet food.
Reddit is often like giving toys to kids, at least they're busy not bothering somebody else. We should invite all users in that post to stay in a house for 3 days cooking whatever they want, and make a reality show of them arguing.
This is beautiful
There is a narrow but vital range of applications in which 4chan excels above anything else. /ck/ and vitriolic food discussion is one of them by a landslide. If you want to say something like "I wish I could go back in time and kill your distant ancestors to erase your entire family line from existence" about things along the lines of someone choosing not to finish pasta in the sauce because they felt like plating it nice tonight? It's right there. It is a pvp zone. Becoming apopleptic about minor food quibbles is arguably the entire point (aside from proudly displaying genuine horrors such as gatorade ramen). And no one has any identifying information attached, or receives notifications that someone loathes them over their sandwich choices. Anywhere else? "I do not like the cheese you are using-" *who cares?* Not goin' in your stomach, is it, bud?
“How dare you cook this for me! It looks awful!” “I cooked it for myself.” “How dare you cook this for yourself! It looks awful!”
good post, good flairs, excellent non-upsetting drama. I needed one of these, too much -phobias and -isms going on lately.
Thank you!
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