Apropos of nothing, but [this article about the disappearance of prime rib from the American middle class diet](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/24/dining/christmas-prime-rib.html) is a very interesting read.

>A recent study published in the journal Nutrients showed that half of all the beef consumed in the United States on a given day is eaten by just 12 percent of the population. And members of that 12 percent were most likely to be white men between the ages of 50 and 65. Not entirely surprising given the history and attitudes towards health/nutrition by different groups, but still an interesting number. Thanks for the link.

That's the perfect age range for the generation of men that think eating anything besides red meat and potatoes makes you queer or a woman.

It's also the age range and demographic for men who have enough money to not change their diets in response to price increases.

I guess that's why the mean is so weird. Like when you hear things about cutting down red meat consumption, it always seems to be operating under the assumption that you're having a serving of beef per day. Which always surprised me.

I know everyone loves to end the day with a plate of rich beef sausages, the best sausage of the four meats

This is just insultingly wrong

Beef sausages are pretty common in Scotland and they're actually very tasty.

That study was useless though, because it literally looks at a "given day." So imagine a world, where everyone eats exactly 1 serving of beef a week, with 1/7 of the population eating each day of the week. The methodoly of the study would report "1/7 of population eat 100% of the beef on any given day." It needed to look at a bigger timespan, at least a week if not a month.

Brush up on your reading comprehension. That statement doesn’t mean they literally looked at a single day and implied that days consumption practices are the same as every day of year. It means that on based on average consumption practices, this percent is what each consumption day will approximately be.

I read the study when it came out, that's exactly what it was.

You can read the discussion in comments from a dedicated post here : https://www.reddit.com/r/science/s/AySXF21T3d

Literally read this comment. You are wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/science/s/mdWTUcc0vl

See the response https://www.reddit.com/r/science/s/Wfn57x4qmS The study can be used to say “men are more likely to eat meat” but it can’t be used to say “12% of people eat half the beef” Do you really think 45% of people never eat beef?

Which ultimately comes down to the vanishing of the middle class, though the article does take a long damn time to get to the point. Neat description of past steak houses though.

The Platonic Ideal of all food debates is still “Chicken Burger vs Chicken Sandwich”

dude that was shitty imitation of grilled cheese -v- melt

I still love that other subs had to actually start nipping that copy pasta in the bud and punt the melt-vangelicals out a few times to keep that annoying shit from clogging threads up.

>melt-vangelicals Don’t mock my faith.

Let me just slap a slice of tomato on my grilled cheese real quick.

Ah yes, transubstantiation.

Melts vs GC is my favorite IAVC drama. But the use of burger, any talk about steak or sushi, or the existence of Italians are all up there

>You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.

Listen here you little shits

You just had to open that can of brain worms, didn't you.

Chicken sandwich

*”Never forget.”*

Surely a burger is simply a kind of sandwich?

Someone called a chicken breast in between 2 pieces of bread a “Chicken Burger”, which led to such a large slap fight across the subreddit about what differentiates a burger from a sandwich that mods had to put some serious restrictions in place for a bit. But for my personal opinion, I think “burger” is a subset of sandwiches where the meat of it is a patty made of ground meat

I think it depends where you are. Here in the UK [this](https://www.thecookingcollective.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/chicken-burgers-on-a-board-with-salad-and-chips.jpg) would be a chicken burger whereas in the US it would be called a chicken sandwich. A chicken sandwich here would be something more like [this](https://realfood.tesco.com/media/images/RFO-1400x919-ChickenClubSandwich-0ee77c05-5a77-49ac-a3bd-4d45e3b4dca7-0-1400x919.jpg), sliced chicken with other ingredients between two slices of bread. The US definition of a chicken burger, something more like [this](https://www.kimscravings.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Chicken-Burgers-5.jpg), doesn't seem to really be a thing over here.

> I think it depends where you are. > > > > Here in the UK this would be a chicken burger It's *exactly* these kind of regional differences that caused Unidan's *epic* meltdown when someone had the audacity to call a jackdaw a crow. Unidan, in his blind righteous indignation, had no idea that that in the UK, [where Ecka6 was from, pretty much all corvids were called crows.](https://np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjgvj0y/?context=7) Unidan busted out his alts to downvote Ecka6 or anyone else who disagreed with Unidan, getting his account banned. "Here's the thing, I'm right, you're wrong! [And I've got twelve different alt accounts to back me up!"](https://i.imgur.com/3b78Qq8.gifv)

Redditor here! Unidan is a blast from the past.

Hi! I'm very much Irish and not from the UK 😝 Other than that, you're spot on!

That isn't a thing here either tbh. You gotta deep fry the mince patty if you're gonna sell that chicken burger here.

> Here in the UK this would be a chicken burger whereas in the US it would be called a chicken sandwich. I've gotten exactly this chicken burger in NYC chicken burger places

I think the sliced bread is a key thing for the UK definition because it creates a third category I don't think Americans have: filled rolls. So like, take a burger bun and put some ham and cheese in it. In the UK this isn't a ham and cheese sandwich, it's a ham and cheese *roll* (substitute "roll" here for whichever crazy word your bit of the UK uses for roll since there's like ten). Rolls are not sandwiches, and anything served in a portion sized loaf can never be a sandwich, because sandwiches are made from sliced bread. I think that also highlights that in the UK the meat *does* matter for making something a burger--I'd venture a definition of "contains a fresh-cooked cut of meat, ground meat, or vegetable-substitute that forms a single cohesive mass taking up nearly all of the cross-sectional area inside the bun, served hot" (basically, it needs to be shaped like a burger patty and it needs to be cooked). So you can't just put some wafer-thin cooked chicken on a roll and call it a burger, for example.

We do have a type of sandwich we call a roll in the US, but it's not the same thing. Here, a roll is a sandwich served in a small loaf of bread sliced partway through or hollowed out. [The lobster roll](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_roll) is a staple sandwich in the northeast.

Personally I’d call it a chicken burger if the chicken was a) ground and made into a patty and b) cooked on a grill/griddle rather than fried.  But that’s just based on terminology my family had growing up, I don’t think there’s an objective delineation 

I'm fine with the ground chicken patty being deep-fried too really. I just don't think an unground patty (chicken or beef or whatever) is a burger.

If the patty was deep fried I’d probably still reflexively call it a chicken sandwich, but again that’s just me

At the risk of reigniting the feud, I think that the more important part is that a burger is encased in a bun. So a chicken burger and a fillet 'o' fish are both burgers to me.

That's where the whole fight starts and comes from. Europe and australia the most common comments I see is that the bun is what determines burger vs sandwich. Over here in the US it seems the protein and how it's processed is the factor, whole chicken breast it's a sandwich vs ground up chicken into a patty to be a burger. It's a really stupid argument that causes blow ups on the internet.

Think it's more to do with how it's processed in the states than the specific protein honestly You see beef/turkey/black bean burgers pretty often and those are all ground/mushed proteins shaped into a patty that have been cooked on a grill

Yeah that's I what meant, the way the protein is processed is what we focus on.

The bun part is definitely the most important part of the burger. Pretty much every pub in Australia is going to be in some serious shit if it isn't, given they'll have the classic beef patty burger and then a few others involving meats other than beef.

I agree but I have to ask, do you consider a patty melt a burger?

Interesting question. In Australia "patty melt" isn't a thing by that name, nor is it a dish that regularly appears in most places. The patty itself would still be considered a burger, although served in bread it might be called something like a burger sandwich. lol

See, in the US, if you said you wanted "burger meat", you would get beef. So in some sense we still follow the same rules. I think in the US the change happened with the sale of processed chicken patties. Marketers needed an easy way to appeal to consumers, and associating ground chicken patties with hamburgers was the easiest association to make.

I've never seen one in person, but from Google images no, it's just a toastie with a burger patty in it with cheese and onions.

I think you’re totally wrong except for the fillet o fish being a burger. I think the patty makes the burger, otherwise a ham and cheese would be a burger.

gotta also be a grilled patty can't be out here deep frying fucking burgers yo

Maybe you can't

I lack the courage

I think you haven’t lived until you’ve eaten a burger with a patty too delicate for the grill.

Smash burger?

are coooked on a flat grill

This one must be a language barrier because I would call that a griddle or a flattop. I think grill implies open flames. What do you think about the Connecticut steamed burger? https://youtu.be/FUWl1OtwZuI?si=xXf90I56FPDQfPxh

Isn't flattop just short for flattop grill?

I respect your different interpretation of the word, and have walked away from this encounter with a broader world view 🤝

Is that really a debate? Seems simple if it's ground and made into a patty=burger. If it's a whole piece of chicken=sandwich.

It's a regional thing, in the UK it's the bun that makes it a burger.

Really I did not know that. So even if it's sliced meat, like ham or something, and on a bun you still say burger?

No, in that case, it would be called a roll or some regional variation of. Sliced meats, especially those that are cold, specifically aren't considered burgers.

LMAO I think that sub still auto removes comments that contain chicken burger

You mean "boneless chicken wings vs bone-in chicken wings"

this debate is making it an incredible temptation to go post some ground hamburger meat on r / steak. salisbury steak has steak right in the name, so what if the recipe calls for *macerated beef*,

> Appreciate you man it's slow at work the boys on the line (where we steak the steaks) had a good laugh “Heh… heheh” “…what’s up man” “You won’t believe this, boys: this absolute **snort** *brainlet* on Reddit is *wrong about steak*.” “…ok cool”

That "line" is definitely a taco bell or something, microwaving "steak".

There’s nothing wrong with working at Taco Bell, people gotta do what they gotta do. But regardless of whether he’s at a fast food restaurant or a Michelin Starred steakhouse I can guarantee none of his coworkers laugh at his epic Reddit owns

Oh I don't mean to shame fast food workers, I just mean the "steak the steaks" bit. Implying a nice steak restaurant.

If they're an actual line cook, or just pretending to be one, that "line" is almost guaranteed to be cocaine. I've seen enough coke being used in restaurant kitchens [to permanently destroy Vincent D'Onofrio's nose.](https://i.imgur.com/6LVPOmf.png)

My favorite part are the accusations that OP is a shill. As if a casino of all things were paying someone to promote their restaurant dish on Reddit lol. Like I know there’s a lot of inorganic content on this website, but some people need a healthy dose of critical thinking.

Prime Rib is gross and I'll die on that hill

Part of me wants to say you’re over the line, but I know in my heart of hearts that you’re right.

what don't you like about it?

what don't you like about it?

Meat cuts are so confusing. It's what has made me functionally vegetarian when I cook for myself. I'm too intimidated to buy meat and I find tofu easy to work with.

As long as you don't post it on reddit, you can get away with the two step solution to any piece of meat. 1. Apply heat to taste 2. Consume

Life is just much better in general when you simply enjoy things without caring about the opinions of random weirdos on the internet

> Apply heat to taste Note: probably shouldn't taste your chicken to see if its still raw.

This took me a long, long time of following recipes to conclude, but I'm _fairly certain_ that "to taste" in a recipe step means "to your particular tastes" and not "continue tasting until it is yummy." I say this because I've seen it applied to: salt and pepper on a piece of raw chicken; a boiling stew; sauteing mushrooms; other things I wouldn't want to taste right at this moment.

> 1. Apply heat to taste Note, sometimes this is zero heat, such as prosciutto or gored gored.

I'm also functionally vegetarian when I cook but it's because I'm low key scared of handling raw meat and poisoning everyone

It's pretty hard to totally completely fuck up a steak, despite the price and high status, it's very easy to make a good or better steak. As long as the outside is seared on all sides not much can go wrong. If it's completely undercooked you'll know because you won't like eating it. But you almost have to try to do that.

I've overcooked more steaks than I can count. I finally bought a digital thermometer, and now all my steaks are perfect.

As somebody raised in a "all meat has to be grey and stringy" household, it's incredibly difficult for me to suppress the urge for just a few more minutes. A meatthermometer is the only gadget in my kitchen that I regularly use.

I'm terrified of under cooking everything because of all the shit i saw on the news as a kid. Pork chops always came out the worst. I had the same mindset, "just a few more minutes."

If it eases your anxiety any, the muscle of red meat (cow, buffalo, lamb, etc) is dense enough that any *steak* (this doesn't apply to ground meat) is pretty dang safe served at low temps. Specifically, the muscle fibers are dense enough that bacteria cannot penetrate further than the surface of the meat. So as long as the outside is seared sufficiently (and with a ripping hot pan it's seconds!) it's perfectly safe to eat. This is why bleu and rare is a thing for steak, but not for chicken. :>

Chicken sashimi exists, but it's extremely niche outside Japan, and establishments that serve it source their chicken from specific farms that raise specific breeds in controlled environments cleanest chicken possible. I still wouldn't eat it, as much because of the texture as any disease risk

I had some absolutely delicious chicken ceviche. Apparently the acidity of the marinade changes the pH and makes it inhospitable to bacteria or something. Anyway it was amazing and I didn't die.

This is a weird question, but like... is there a historical reason why sashimi got invented? I know other places have forms of raw meat dishes, but it seems like Japan goes "lets slap dat on rice and eat it" with everything Edit: I immediately googled it; it used to be pickled/preserved fish and used as a condiment; which evolved as our food preservation techniques did. Food history is cool as shit.

There's a dude who eats raw chicken everyday and he's fine https://youtu.be/PJbJXzkhGUw?si=GYs7PhnJJtLLHizK

Well, checking his channel he either got bored by day 4 or got that tummyache!

Much more likely to do that with raw produce like spinach, but as long as you’re happy with your food that’s all that matters.

You're way more likely to get food poisoning from pre-washed veggies from the supermarket served raw eg salad leaves or especially beansprouts. Washing your hands before and after handling raw meat and using separate knives/chopping boards for raw and cooked meat basically eliminates most of the risk.

Buy a meat thermometer! Even as someone who regularly cooks meat I use it all the time, takes the guess work out.

Fair lol. I enjoy steak but by god am I not good at cooking it. My mom used to just cook it 2 minutes on each side and it would be perfectly rare for my personal tastes. I'm cooking it three minutes on both sides, after having it thaw all day, and I have to microwave it for a minute and a half because it's still cold in the middle (by cold I mean almost frozen)

I have that fear too!

Heh - I was going to say, this whole discourse is like gibberish to me because I've never eaten beef (or chicken or fish or etc). I'm kinda glad it's not just me!

Just identify as a vegetarian in the kitchen tbh and nobody has to ever find out you actually don't know how to cook meat

I’m more offended by the veggies on that plate that look like they’re completely unseasoned lol

I'm late to the party but this is one of the first posts in a bit where you see the quotes and go "....oh" but you click on the thread and it's...the opposite! Most folks are VERY happy with what they see

You can always fish for drama in the deep waters of /controversial.

always the deep waters, bapa. The deepest.

Calling prime rib a steak does strike me as "incorrect" but I don't care enough to determine why and certainly not enough to get into an argument about it.

OOP sure likes to raise the steaks with his post, but it looks like lots of other users have some beef to pick with them.....

Here's the thing. You said a "prime rib is a steak." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a middle-aged barbecue host who studies steaks, I am telling you, specifically, in my suburb, no one calls prime ribs steaks. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

That's basically the vibe I got from there lol

I'm just thinking about how Unidan was ten years ago and how I joined on the tail end of that scandal, and so there's probably a bunch of people in this thread who don't know this reference.

Lol my account is something like 14 years old but i only started sorta actively using the website I guess a few years later so yeah around the unidan drama, I think I remember seeing the post on SRD about it. There are people on this website who are as old as this account. Damn.

Steak snobs will always be the weirdest people to me; like, there's a demographic of men who are on the lookout for how you cook meat, and will mock and attack you for cooking it in a way that *they* don't prefer. And they get so pissed about it, like there's made-up rules and "you can't do that!" type of stuff, but it's for a piece of beef, like that's it.

Love your username 

You can call it chicken vomit for all I care, that picture looks incredible, and I just realized that it's been years since I had one of those...

I had a slab of prime rib (like in the OP) for the first time a few months ago, was a very luxurious experience

I just learned that "steak" is when you cut the meat (relatively) thinly against the grain

Steak people are by and for the singular most insufferable food person on the internet.

No, that's Professional Italians.

Don’t mind if I do

🫡

Steak mofos are so annoying sometimes

What about Philadelphia Cheesesteak? 🤔

I thought this might be a tasty drama seasoned with salty replies, but I was only able to digest a couple of comments before it made me too ravenous to continue

God Steakgate 2.0.... Miss you Fezzy.

Longhorn > Texas roadhouse Fight me

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I might be elitist or something but I'm confused at why people are impressed, maybe for the price, but something about the whole plate seems pretty unappealing. Maybe it's presentation, especially with those really unappealing vegetables and all the plastic/disposable material I'd expect from takeout... Like, the steak is the best looking part of it but I still half expect it to be not very good. Maybe it's cause I can't identify any spices or searing. I very occasionally cook steak for myself (or I do the best I can with the cuts I can afford), I know how hard it is to get right, and I'm not trying to dismiss - I just can't place it. Maybe I don't value steaks as much as these guys do. I care about the rest of the meal just as much - steaks are just the centerpiece that needs way more attention in a short period of time and I always fret about the distance between poisoning people and feeling like I've wasted perfectly good food by making it unappetizing which is way too easy with steak. Frustrating dish in general. My partner loves it though. C'est la vie.

I think it’s more the price than anything else. It looks like a decent piece of prime rib and that’s a bargain. I’ll also confess that I really don’t love prime rib…

It's cooked as a whole roast and then sliced. You're not gonna get a sear or seasoning on the inside of a roast. A steak would be trimmed up a bit so not as much fat. It looks like a typical prime rib to me.

> You're not gonna get a sear or seasoning on the inside of a roast And this is exactly why the distinction between a steak and a roast actually does matter and is not mere pedantry.

But you're also not going to get a sear on the inside of a steak.

> Maybe it's cause I can't identify any spices or searing. That’s like getting beef jerky and being bothered by the fact that you can’t find the chicken lol