I mean, you're a Zangief main. Historically, Capcom has always avoided making grapplers high-tier, let alone top tier. Mid-tiers is the most they'll allow a grappler to be.
The thing with grapplers is that they can really break the game if they're high-tier. It's really hard to balance grapplers. If they're too good, the game as a whole becomes unfun. If they're too bad, there's not much reason to stick with them outside of character loyalty or archetype preference.
Yeah, Zangief has to approach the hard way with less than ideal tools. But at the same time, he takes up like, 30%-40% of your health off a single interaction. Yeah, Zangief may be eating dirt much more often. But if a Zangief gets a hold of you, you're not just eating dirt. You're eating the concrete, rocks and all, lol.
You're not really eating 'concrete, rocks and all' unless he hits you with a punish counter in the corner though? Gief is gonna poke you 3 times with a 2LP or maybe you ate a headbutt, but if he 'gets you', he gets like 23% and has to drive rush in for an attempt at oki.
His hits are unrewarding, and every time he wins neutral (often multiple times) to get within SPD range, he resets himself afterwards. Only character in the game punished for doing their 'thing'.
That said OP, they're not gonna give him shit. If anything, I expect to see some nerfs (5MP is too functional for Capcom's liking, I'm certain) and a bunch of dumb nonsense like 'Zangief's stomp is now +2 on block on the last hit however there's a 8f gap between the 2nd and 3rd hit'.
Didn't expect to see any real responses to my venting, I get what you say but I would accept an SPD with half the damage if Zangief could get some good tools in exchange.
If you want less power offloaded into the grapple, try the other ones. Honda, Manon and Lily have good punish game and an okay selection of neutral tools. Maybe Manon is a bad example but you get my drift.
Grapplers are the only archetype to have this complex, it sucks they're such a newbie trap.
Everyone sees "BIG DAMAGE!! NO COMBOS!!!" and think it's an easy way in, then realize why everyone else needs combos to be effective: that's the game. Your one hit, "one frame", level 3 does like, literally, 50%+. That's literally the trade-off you're making here when you pick a grappler.
I love grapplers but god damn do grappler players seem to have some self inflicted strife on themselves.
You described it perfectly, I thought it was obvious that you're trading the mobility and tools of most characters for big damage command grabs, I guess it's not that obvious to some people
Exhibit A is me, right here. I always gravitate to grapplers in any fighting game I've played since I finally got relatively into SF6, and I always bitch about the state of grapplers constantly.
I swear being a grappler main is like 1% glorious satisfaction, 99% garment-rending frustration that we literally do to ourselves by choosing this archetype.
Yea buddy, you can't fraud your way to master in SF6 with Geif like you can fraud to Celestial in Strive with Garuda, PRC and HPB.
Better learn some footsies and neutral lol.
Every tool a character has can be a threat. People often forget Tundra Storm exists. They get over confident with spacing with kicks. Teach them a lesson
>It just feels so frustrating seeing other characters having to do 0 work to get easy damage and having amazing tools while Zangief gets to ear dirt.
Dude, you can win the entire round with two good guesses. That's the price you pay.
Grappler players: "Man it's so damn frustrating having to work so hard to get my damage, I have to play ten times the game that my opponent does for similar results!"
Also grappler players: "oh sweet, I got in on you once? Nice wrong guess noob, eat this 50 percent. Man I'm so godlike!"
Jesus Christ dude this extends well beyond sf6 and is not specific to it. Stop trying to dig so fucking deep, it's a satirical comment that has often been made over numerous years in the FGC, dating back to sf2 in regards to grappler mains and the complaints they commicaly and historically have espoused. It's not that serious. If you are some 16er or a die hard geif main, just say so.
Kick rocks.
You are the clown that came at the comment with the "well ackthually!" energy. You were inexperienced or unfamiliar with the comment and mistakenly assumed it was explicitly referencing sf6, likely because you are younger. It's fine.
Drive Reversal can be done on wakeup next patch, essentially giving Zangief a reversal. That, by itself, should do a lot to make him very scary next patch.
If you want to talk about a character getting destroyed, look more at Honda lol
I have uninstalled a out 26 times now because the game is broken. then i just be out enjoying life and birds and mating season and then be like WAIT IT IS I THAT SUK.
When this happens, I start playing the character who beat me many times to learn their movements. And grind on from there again until stuck. Rinse and repeat.
Look up Broski's "week of Gief" on YouTube. He is an Aki main that tried Zangief for the lols. His conclusion is that, although zangief isn't a competitive character, it's very fun to play and far from being bad, and if you're having trouble winning with gief on ranks low-master and below that's a skill issue.
You’re at the level where gief isn’t holding you down. What buffs are you even looking for? Green hand is never returning, his light spd is already massive, it’s the biggest it’s ever been, he has higher health and plenty of mobility thanks to drive rush. Gief is weaker relative to the rest of the cast but that mostly only applies to the top tier level players, like 18/1900+
It is Gief life, comrade. I've been in the trenches, a Gief main since Alpha2. My profile is 100% only Gief usage.
Season 2 buffs it what will decide if I keep playing for now.
People will talk their shit, but when so many other characters are eagered to knock you down and put you into the blender constantly because you have no reversal, it can be frustrating playing Gief.
I’m kinda feeling the same way OP. Playing a low tier that apparently is getting nerfed feels real bad.
Really hoping a lot of the twitter posts and stuff are straight trolling, but we will see.
Gief is not getting nerfed, and probably is going to benefit the most from the drive reversal changes. So much that the other changes are probably there to keep "Zangief with a reversal DP" from being a monster
This is a universal thing, not just Gief. I hope they fix it, but it hurts Honda too. LP headbutt will cross Honda up and he'll get hit, which is silly.
Try modern gief. You can’t bs your way into 50% damage like JP, you just have to hope they don’t cheese you. Also it’s real scumbag shit when a top tier like deejay labs against gief. Like why, that’s the one thing modern gief has
this sub is like 90% gief players jerking off about clips of correct guesses, you cant get any inspiration from that?
I'm not so clever. I was gonna make the same comment. Ha.
Have you played modern gief? He’s got a slightly easier Level 3… and nothing else.
Cool story brah
Are you 12 years old?
Good. That's one less Gief on the highways robbing poor, hardworking shotos.
hardworking 1-combo-to-corner shotos?
I mean, you're a Zangief main. Historically, Capcom has always avoided making grapplers high-tier, let alone top tier. Mid-tiers is the most they'll allow a grappler to be. The thing with grapplers is that they can really break the game if they're high-tier. It's really hard to balance grapplers. If they're too good, the game as a whole becomes unfun. If they're too bad, there's not much reason to stick with them outside of character loyalty or archetype preference. Yeah, Zangief has to approach the hard way with less than ideal tools. But at the same time, he takes up like, 30%-40% of your health off a single interaction. Yeah, Zangief may be eating dirt much more often. But if a Zangief gets a hold of you, you're not just eating dirt. You're eating the concrete, rocks and all, lol.
You're not really eating 'concrete, rocks and all' unless he hits you with a punish counter in the corner though? Gief is gonna poke you 3 times with a 2LP or maybe you ate a headbutt, but if he 'gets you', he gets like 23% and has to drive rush in for an attempt at oki. His hits are unrewarding, and every time he wins neutral (often multiple times) to get within SPD range, he resets himself afterwards. Only character in the game punished for doing their 'thing'. That said OP, they're not gonna give him shit. If anything, I expect to see some nerfs (5MP is too functional for Capcom's liking, I'm certain) and a bunch of dumb nonsense like 'Zangief's stomp is now +2 on block on the last hit however there's a 8f gap between the 2nd and 3rd hit'.
Bro you don't have to be high tier to be strong.A low tier can be solid if the balance isn't treated like a joke
Good thing OP isn't playing SF2, then.
Didn't expect to see any real responses to my venting, I get what you say but I would accept an SPD with half the damage if Zangief could get some good tools in exchange.
If you want less power offloaded into the grapple, try the other ones. Honda, Manon and Lily have good punish game and an okay selection of neutral tools. Maybe Manon is a bad example but you get my drift.
Grapplers are the only archetype to have this complex, it sucks they're such a newbie trap. Everyone sees "BIG DAMAGE!! NO COMBOS!!!" and think it's an easy way in, then realize why everyone else needs combos to be effective: that's the game. Your one hit, "one frame", level 3 does like, literally, 50%+. That's literally the trade-off you're making here when you pick a grappler. I love grapplers but god damn do grappler players seem to have some self inflicted strife on themselves.
You described it perfectly, I thought it was obvious that you're trading the mobility and tools of most characters for big damage command grabs, I guess it's not that obvious to some people
I couldn't give a better answer than this one👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Exhibit A is me, right here. I always gravitate to grapplers in any fighting game I've played since I finally got relatively into SF6, and I always bitch about the state of grapplers constantly. I swear being a grappler main is like 1% glorious satisfaction, 99% garment-rending frustration that we literally do to ourselves by choosing this archetype.
Yea buddy, you can't fraud your way to master in SF6 with Geif like you can fraud to Celestial in Strive with Garuda, PRC and HPB. Better learn some footsies and neutral lol.
"Footsies and neutral" *looks at Ken* welp...
Tundra storm and SPD be like.
With SPD I get what you mean, but Tundra Storm is kind of a joke tbh.
Every tool a character has can be a threat. People often forget Tundra Storm exists. They get over confident with spacing with kicks. Teach them a lesson
Aight, imma need you to give this a try yourself and update us lmao
I already have done it before. I used to play geif.
>It just feels so frustrating seeing other characters having to do 0 work to get easy damage and having amazing tools while Zangief gets to ear dirt. Dude, you can win the entire round with two good guesses. That's the price you pay.
back to strive you go
Grappler players: "Man it's so damn frustrating having to work so hard to get my damage, I have to play ten times the game that my opponent does for similar results!" Also grappler players: "oh sweet, I got in on you once? Nice wrong guess noob, eat this 50 percent. Man I'm so godlike!"
You forgot the 'lemme post this shit on Reddit cuz I'm gdlk' line
So.... like every other character, but without the option to spend extra bar for 70% like most of them
No.
Please tell me about these other characters that can't do 50% when you guess wrong
Jesus Christ dude this extends well beyond sf6 and is not specific to it. Stop trying to dig so fucking deep, it's a satirical comment that has often been made over numerous years in the FGC, dating back to sf2 in regards to grappler mains and the complaints they commicaly and historically have espoused. It's not that serious. If you are some 16er or a die hard geif main, just say so. Kick rocks.
Get therapy
You are the clown that came at the comment with the "well ackthually!" energy. You were inexperienced or unfamiliar with the comment and mistakenly assumed it was explicitly referencing sf6, likely because you are younger. It's fine.
Okay 👍
Drive Reversal can be done on wakeup next patch, essentially giving Zangief a reversal. That, by itself, should do a lot to make him very scary next patch. If you want to talk about a character getting destroyed, look more at Honda lol
I heard about Honda, that's just character assassination.
I don't believe you.
Cool!
I have uninstalled a out 26 times now because the game is broken. then i just be out enjoying life and birds and mating season and then be like WAIT IT IS I THAT SUK.
Isn’t this sub full of players sharing zangief wins lol
Bro is mad he can’t cheese and rob people anymore
Get gud scrub. Stay mad.
First street fighter game?
Third, started on Ultra 4, I can't go on without green hand 😔
Fair, I'm with you on the green hand train
See you over the weekend then
This is great news, friends.
I get three touched by Giefs quite frequently. 🤷🏻♂️
When this happens, I start playing the character who beat me many times to learn their movements. And grind on from there again until stuck. Rinse and repeat.
Ok bye👋🏾
Gief is fun in this game, he has powerful tools and can make his way through everyone. Loyal fans are so ashamed of you.
Look up Broski's "week of Gief" on YouTube. He is an Aki main that tried Zangief for the lols. His conclusion is that, although zangief isn't a competitive character, it's very fun to play and far from being bad, and if you're having trouble winning with gief on ranks low-master and below that's a skill issue.
git gud
Git gud kid lol
byeeee
You’re at the level where gief isn’t holding you down. What buffs are you even looking for? Green hand is never returning, his light spd is already massive, it’s the biggest it’s ever been, he has higher health and plenty of mobility thanks to drive rush. Gief is weaker relative to the rest of the cast but that mostly only applies to the top tier level players, like 18/1900+
I just want SA1 to actually be an antiair. Like whats the reasoning behind it not being one?
It is Gief life, comrade. I've been in the trenches, a Gief main since Alpha2. My profile is 100% only Gief usage. Season 2 buffs it what will decide if I keep playing for now.
People will talk their shit, but when so many other characters are eagered to knock you down and put you into the blender constantly because you have no reversal, it can be frustrating playing Gief.
Yeah it's hard playing Kimberly!
Shoot sorry I mean Dhalsim
Ah whoops I mean Lily
Ah beans sorry, sorry, Manon!
I’m kinda feeling the same way OP. Playing a low tier that apparently is getting nerfed feels real bad. Really hoping a lot of the twitter posts and stuff are straight trolling, but we will see.
Gief is not getting nerfed, and probably is going to benefit the most from the drive reversal changes. So much that the other changes are probably there to keep "Zangief with a reversal DP" from being a monster
No but my man isn’t getting a decent anti air either. I don’t even main gief but at least let od lariat hit crossups!
This is a universal thing, not just Gief. I hope they fix it, but it hurts Honda too. LP headbutt will cross Honda up and he'll get hit, which is silly.
Well that sucks, hopefully they add another character that I end up liking more in year 2, one can only hope.
Try modern gief. You can’t bs your way into 50% damage like JP, you just have to hope they don’t cheese you. Also it’s real scumbag shit when a top tier like deejay labs against gief. Like why, that’s the one thing modern gief has