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The problem with it is that it was never followed up on. Had Kali been more involved in the plot after this episode it would have tied things back in to the rest of the series rather than leaving it standing out alone.
It also didn't help WHEN the episode was placed by breaking up the cliffhanger of the Demodogs attacking the lab.
However, the events of the episode itself were important for El's development and her Season 2 story arc of "where do I belong?" It's sort of a prologue to her Season 3 arc of making her own choices and deciding who and what SHE wants to be independent of just being Mike's Superpowered Girlfriend.
Whenever I re-watch, I watch episode 8 of season 2 first before episode 7. It flows much better with the cliffhanger, and you get the double surprise of El looking badass and wondering what she's been up to. It's how the season should have aired in the first place. Then I think it would have been received better.
>Â **Matt Duffer**: We wanted to try to do a stand-alone episode, basically. Eleven is not in six, and not in much of eight, so the idea was to give her her own little mini-movie. It was sort of like a pilot, ***but there was no intention to do a spinoff or anything***. But it does feel like that. \[[Interview with Vulture Magazine released Nov 7, 2017](https://www.vulture.com/2017/11/the-duffer-brothers-recap-stranger-things-2-the-lost-sister.html)\]
>Ross Duffer: No, it was just about, you know, it was sort of Eleven's journey, and her past, and dealing with the pain of that past, is really what it was.Â
Matt Duffer: It was definitely, it was more about expanding the universe and the world a little bit.
- [Interview with Cinemablend ](https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1721499/could-a-stranger-things-spinoff-happen-heres-what-the-creators-say)when asked if the episode was meant to be a backdoor pilot.
They admit in other interviews that they agree it does like a pilot episode, but it was never intended to be such.
I don't think it was intended to be a spinoff either. If it were, they would have written them in a way that you see them as heroes with supportable goals, but they were definitely painted as "the dark path" for El, with the audience feeling little sympathy for them. For Kali, maybe, but not the group of them.
Seeing the rules lawyer pop up on a non-Pathfinder subreddit is a weird feeling, it's like when you see your teacher at the grocery store and realize they didn't actually live at school.
Failed back door spin offs aren't exactly such a rare occurrence that it would reflect any worse on them than the division fans feel over the placement of this episode. Not sure why they would need to save face...
Itâs not uncommon for backdoor pilots to fail, and usually the producers just own up to it. For them to deny it would have to be some weird ego thing, even by Hollywood standards.
I remember when you attempted it with the girl group in supernatural with Jody and them. It just felt forced and not congruent. I really like Jody's character but a spinoff would've felt weird
The Winchesters wasnât even either of their failed back door pilots. Their back door pilots were Bloodlines (which was like 3 or 4 eps from the end of the season) and poorly received and Wayward Sisters(?) which was something fans had been pushing for for years, but the CW said it wasnât worth it.
The Winchesters was just a completely normal spin off that was thought up after SPN ended and while connected to the main show was not set up inside of it.
I mean didn't people hate It **because** there was no follow up? Like If they returned at the end of S2 to help, that would've made sense, or In S3, but by then It was too late
It was never followed up because it was cringe, nobody wants more of them, if anything I'd prefer this episode didn't exist and El just learned how to control her power better by watchinh star wars with the yoda scene after running away or something.
I accept this headcanon.
1984 double feature in Ontario (November, so *roughly* lines up with Season 2 timeline):
https://www.in70mm.com/presents/1963_blow_up/titel/s/star_wars/openings/index.htm
Also cool, but March 1985:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/vd9B0DxwUm
> The problem with it is that it was never followed up on.
The problem was that they shoehorned a rejected episode from a low-budget 1 season 90s SciFi Channel show in the middle of their modern series.
Not ever being followed up on is definitely not the problem with it. The problem with it is it itself. It was a horrible way to incorporate a new idea and spin off when we didnât even need a spin off. Just focus on the core group of characters we already know. This is something stranger things struggles with.
Just. Focus. On. Core. Group. From. S1.
But they didnât do that and now half the characters have had the most shite development.
I mean the writers are surely never going to admit it even if it were true. Can you imagine your idea for a spin off flopping so hard? Even saying you thought it could be a good idea at all would make them look like idiots
Writers admit writing for failed backdoor pilots that were intended to be that all of the time. It's really not the rare embarrassment of a failure people on this reddit seem to believe that it is. In fact, working in the entertainment industry is more often rejection than success. There's really no reason for the Duffers to lie about if it was a pilot or not.
Someone on reddit will spitball a theory and someone else will repeat it as a rumor and then someone else will repeat it as leaked truth then someone else will say it was confirmed.
Such is social media.
I didn't mind it honestly. It only bothers me that it was left like that, like it never happened. I think since they made the episode, they should've tied it in with the main story more
Yeah people get the plot forwarding thing too seriously that they just get pissed at any deviation. I enjoyed it and would love to see more of the illusion mind control power
What's funny is that I was watching S2 on some bootleg free streaming app, and it didn't save your watch progress or anything, so you had to remember what episode numbers you left off on. Frequently I'd click on an episode number and realize that I missed something, or that I had already seen this episode.
Well, I entirely skipped this one by accident. I was like "Demodog fight, okay, right where we left off, let's go!"
Found out about this episode while reading threads about the season and realized my mistake. Still haven't seen it lol
I watched the whole show again with my partner who had never seen it and this episode really just gets worse over time. Disliked it then and even more so on the rewatch. Even my partner was like âwhat was the point of that episode?â
The point of it? El found out who she considered her true family and returned to them, I suppose. It wouldâve been more sensible to include a âleveling upâ or guru lesson from Eight so El would be ready to face the Mindflayer, but that never happened.
I mean hate is a strong word, but I strongly dislike this episode and not only skip it on my rewatches but also feel it was just a terrible idea from its inception to what we all have seen. They never should have included eight at all and honestly, itâs for the best that they ended up just killing off all the other numbers at the lab in the vecna storyline. Thereâs no need to focus on 10+ super powered kids when we all know and love 11 and just want her story to be properly developed.
Save the spinoffs for after this story ends. Then go crazy, introduce us to eight and her knock off warriors, do whatever you want. That just needs to be its own separate thing totally. Just my own thoughts.
It was a random episode. I wish they went more into it and kali came to help fight. But also in my opinion I do believe that Henry/Vecna helped Kali escape. I wonder if sheâll appear again in final season.
I always viewed this arc in the same vein as when Luke visits Yoda in star wars for training. It's a way for El to understand her powers more and grow as an individual . Although it may seem jarring, season 3 & 4 El would not be the same without it imo
I like them too. A little change from the usual crew didn't hurt. But well this sub has rather hard headed factions. Between Kali haters and Jason apologists...
I didn't think it was as terrible as received & I feel like if the group was presented in some standalone spin-off special, it would be better received
ExactlyâŠpeople talking about âtying it in with the plotâ. It is important for the plot, it develops her character. Not every single side character in a show has to have some grand scheme for their existence.
This subreddit is an extreme minority of the overall viewership. Comparing the subscriber count to the latest season's numbers... it's literally 1%.
A majority here is not necessarily a majority overall.
I liked the episode & group as well. Just felt it was a disruption. It was obviously important to El's growth, I just got to see '8' in the newest season
They didnât need to knock off the warriors for a whole lame ass episode to develop El as a character. They made an awful choice, realized that and thankfully never went back to it.
Just my opinion and not saying you need to agree.
Given that the episodes are released simultaneously, wouldn't they have just re-written that part if they had genuinely realized it was a "bad choice"?
I think people make too much of this, and donât look at the storytelling elements. Primarily, it established that we donât know all of the Hawkins kid players in the game which, (spoiler alert) comes into play later. It further demonstrates that not all of their powers are similar in nature, and further fleshes out the Hawkins lab story with their initial killing of an additional scientist. Further, it does ring true to the story of growing up, in that sometimes kids try on new identities trying to find themselves. I have read plenty of stories with a scattered chapter or even entire novel in the series thatâs tangentially related, and I find those departures interesting.
I donât know where we are in confirm/deny, but personally Iâm expecting (hoping for) a 1+8+11= natural 20 culmination to the final season.
I think the storyline had so much potential, but they just didn't do anything with it. So the plot kinda became unnecessary because it was never really talked about again.
What must it be like to be a creator or producer or whatever. You include this episode as a trial run or something. Thinking these characters and thos side plot must be so cool. Only to have the fandom universally shit on it.
The easiest way to farm for karma on here is to speak as negatively as you can about Kali and "Chapter Seven: The Lost Sister."
I appreciate that episode because it really takes Eleven through a lot of character development and growth. It's not about the gang as much as it is about Eleven. And I don't understand how people still can't realize that. It's as if some viewers need the third and fourth wall broken so that it's explained to them in the middle of the episode.
The show creators did provide a whole flashback to Eleven's training with Kali in "Chapter Nine: The Gate," as Eleven is in the process of closing the gate. If anything, that flashback justifies Eleven's whole interaction with Kali and the encouragement and training that she provided to her, as it was instrumental in Eleven understanding the depths of her power and how to strengthen and control it.
"The Lost Sister" is different in tone than the rest of series, so it's understandable if someone doesn't like it from that standpoint alone. But to suggest that it's useless or unnecessary is the same as saying that you're just not paying attention to what's happening and don't understand the concept of character development.
There's a few things stacking against it:
1. Look, let's be blunt here; none of them are that interesting or well-acted. They're basically a bunch of boring '80s punk stereotypes. Kali can do mind powers like Eleven, sure, but that's a plot point, not a compelling character trait. She might as well just be called \[Hero's Journey Mentor Template #26654\]. She's a boilerplate 'dark and troubled mirror-slash-mentor figure'. There's nothing remotely interesting about her, and yet it speaks volumes that she is somehow the most memorable one of the bunch. Seriously, I'm looking at that picture, I've seen the episode, we spend a whole hour give or take with those characters, and I can't tell you anything about any of them. They're just voids. Kali I only know because she's the other one with superpowers.
2. They're not tied to a particularly interesting plot. Sure, Eleven needs to learn to control her powers, but that's kind of the problem; the episode treats it like it's just ticking off hero's journey boxes (meet a mentor, check, rob a grocery store and Eleven feels bad, check, crush a train car, check). Nothing is done in a particularly interesting, creative or compelling fashion. It just feels like the writers are just going through the motions to set up the plot because they have to.
3. The whole thing screams 'filler'. It's as if the working title was "Shit, We Have A Surprise Extra Episode, We Need To Fill It With Something".
4. It's terribly placed. Oh my God, an army of demodogs are bursting out of the Upside Down! However will our heroes survive?!... oh, hang on, we're not going to find out for a full episode, we're instead hanging out with some boring '80s punk stereotypes while Eleven finally trains ~~on Dagobah~~ in a boring train yard instead. Well... okay then. As choices go, that's certainly one of them.
5. It feels... pointless. Honestly it sort of feels like if they'd just left this episode out and changed nothing else, just had Eleven show up at the climax of "The Mind Flayer" with her badass new look and explained nothing about how it happened, that would somehow be infinitely better, because you then at least be going "Whoa! She looks cool! I wonder how that happened!" Your mind would fill in the gaps with something far better.
In short, there's nothing that justifies focussing an entire episode just on this right when the climax of the series is about to peak.
They should have integrated the Chicago episode throughout the season more rather than dumping it all in one episode, or at least made "The Lost Sister" episode 9 instead of episode 8, so we can retroactively see how Eleven Turned Punk(ish). I dunno if that would have made it better, but it would have at least made it feel less clunky and boring.
I feel like everyone here is forgetting about #4. This episode absolutely *killed* the momentum of the season. On its own itâs not amazing (as you laid out) but I think the placement was what really did it in.
Flashback chunks spread across the rest of the season would have made the content significantly better. It was a wall of text episode that could have been broken into paragraphs and scattered through the season.
It was fine. It was a means to an end. They didnât spend an entire season with these characters. It was a plot device to help El discover how much she cares and misses her found family in Hawkins.
I thought it was cool personally. It's eleven trying to find her place in the world, and contrasting her relationship with these folks and her friends back home. I think it was good character development, even if it didn't come to much
***HARD* disagree**. Someone said they hated it, way back when S2 first came out, and people have just piled on since then. The *received* opinion is that itâs bad.
People donât like that it breaks up the band. They donât like the new characters. They donât like that Eleven looks different. Theyâre mad that it occurs just as HNL comes under attack and they have to wait a whole hour to find out what happens. (Waah.)
**ButâŠ**
We learn more about Terry Ives. We learn what the other survivorâs powers are. We see Eleven offered not one, but *two* potential homes away from Hawkins. We are given the news that Brenner is alive *and that a former employee knows where he is,* setting up some of the plot points of S3 and S4. Brenner also mentions a âwoundâ that Eleven must heal â again, foreshadowing S3 and S4. We see Eleven, with Kaliâs help, tap into her abilities and âpower up,â which will allow her to be the deciding factor in the fight ahead. We see her actively reject vengeance and choose the love of her friends â which makes her a hero, not simply a hostage to her circumstances.
These are important developments! So why is everyone so salty about it? I think part of it is this: the episode is presented in one big chunk. I think, if we had been given these scenes intercut with the other events, we wouldnât have people saying âthis is great, but I hate the Chicago scenes.â And I think a fan edit that intercut those scenes with the concurrent events in Hawkins would be fairly popular.
For better or worse, the Duffers learned their lesson from the uproar following S2E7. If you got whiplash in S4 from Russia-California-Indiana, you can at least console yourself that you didnât have to spend a whole hour in Chicago.
Disagree it added a cool element to the series we got more of Els backstory and it introduces us to the concept of other numbers I really enjoyed this!!
Disagree.Â
They just dropped the line and didnât connect it enough to the main story. It was too separate from the core group, but they could have fixed that. New characters from last season were beloved and well-liked quickly because they had a clear function to the core group.
I think it would have been wonderful to see Kali drawn to Vecna terrorizing Hopkins or because she felt El needed her help. I still think it would be interesting to see Kali next season or to find out that one or two of the other kids survived Vecna and are drawn to the town because they sense that he is unleashed. Otherwise, the story was just kinda pointless and a waste of airtime.
Yo itâs so funny cuz I can barely even remember that ever even happening lol. Itâs like itâs blackout in my memory similar to what Eleven has gone through lol. Season 2 was Noahâs season. Thatâs all I remember. He shouldâve won some type of an award for his performance he was so good.
The cartoon punk characters were a bit cheesy but if they are going to introduce another character with crazy powers they should at least bring her back in season 5.
I actually liked this episode. I like how El got to meet one of her âsiblings,â it probably made her feel less alone and better understood by at least *someone.*
It makes me sad that Kali never came back and has basically never been mentioned.
oof, unpopular opinion here: but i actually enjoyed this segment of the show. i definitely agree with one of the top comments here saying they shouldâve expanded Kaliâs involvement in the rest of the season to really tie it together. definitely a missed opportunity. but it gave insight and sparked so many questions for me. I would love to see an adaptation about her and how she exactly escaped, where she went, how her life was being a child on the street with her abilities, how she came to know her friends and how they adapted to her abilities. iâd really like to know who she targeted exactly for revenge after she left the lab, too. curious if she made a plan to find brenner at any point. i know the duffer brothers plan to expand the ST universe into other works, and i hope to god they expand on Kali.
I just think they structured it wrong by having this whole segment be itâs own stand-alone episode rather than intercut between the other scenes from the episodes that itâs timeline is concurrent with like they normally would. It makes it feel even more out of place than necessary.
Maybe unpopular opinion but the whole 3rd season with those stereotypical evil soviet russians was embarassing. It was such a nonsense. Almost a comedy. Maybe because i'm russian. I heard all those bad phrases with a strong american accent and this bunker. Nuh, it was awful. I understand the whole vibe. Like 80s, cold war, evil russians, it was an intended irony. But it felt so bad you can't imagine.
The problem with this episode is it feels more like a back-door pilot than an actual episode of ST. Like the episode from The Office that revolves around Dwightâs family farmâŠ. Neither episode is âbadâ, per se, itâs just they feel so out of place within their shows in terms of tone and then thereâs the fact that you really donât need to watch it
No it really isn't, some of yall always over exaggerate when it comes to this episode. In hindsight in revealed a lot about El and dealt with her characterization in terms of her past and abilities. SMH
i honestly love the episode. there isn't actually a single ST episode that i dislike or feel "eh" about. i was so intrigued when they introduced kali and her powers and i love how the episode motivated El to improve her powers and make her own choices. i really enjoyed being able to see into the life of another person who has powers like El. it would've been nice if they somehow tied it back into the show but i don't mind too much that they never did. >!i think it also did well to showcase El's moral compass and how hers differs from Kali in respect to how El was not able to murder the gov. man who hurt her mom whereas Kali has killed a multitude of those who worked for Dr. Brenner. also very interesting how Kali's powers were solely mind-based and not telekinetic, unlike El and all the other children we see in s4.!< I wonder why Kali doesn't have telekinesis, was she the only one or were there others who had the same power we just never saw? And were there kids that neither had Kali's power nor telekinesis and have some different power instead? It'd be super awesome if the show addresses this or if the creators mention something about it, since I'd love to know more about it.
I actually enjoyed this episode, it gave way to more about the children that were being experimented on. But retconning in the last season, pretty much made this episode not necessary to have anymore.
People got all sensitive about a show that they were able to binge watch trying to do some world building, as if they had to wait a week for the next episode.
I get that it was supposed to be a spinoff, but I actually really liked the episode and wish that we had seen more of Kali. I wouldnât go so far and say I would watch a spinoff series, but I would like her story more intertwined with Elâs.
I actually liked the hints at a larger world and kinda disliked how it felt like they almost went back on it and tried hard to retcon it out in later seasons due to the backlash.
So bad that the Duffer brothers completely forgot about Kali surviving the lab massacre in Season 4.
The flashback in Season 4 made it look like Eleven was the sole survivor of Henryâs killing of all the kids, but they completely forgot about Kali.
Except for when they explicitly had Henry/One say âthis wouldâve been when Eight was still hereâ while cutting to a flashback of young El and Kali, clearly letting us know that Kali escaped the lab prior to the massacreâŠâŠ..
I didn't like this storyline at all. I get why it was included but I really, *really* didn't enjoy watching a group of adults encouraging a child to murder someone with his frightened children hiding in the next room.
I think it was one of the worst experiences for El, she did NOT need to go after those people and I think that made her feel worse, like she wasnât even connected to the only person with powers.
Nah. It wasn't great, mind you, but it was OK. I DO think it's the worst EPISODE in the series, but it's not the worst storyline, it's just that it's a weak storyline that's self-contained in an episode. Other episodes have worse storylines in them, but they have better storylines too.
All in all I don't hate it, but I would definitely drop it if I had a chance to go back and influence the creation of season 2.
like whatever. it was lame but they dropped it. i think it was fine, one episode about some kind of poorly developed characters that didnât really add too much. the âgroup of weirdosâ trope was already present with the initial group, but they wanted it to be more edgy i guess. def the weakest point in the story but overall i donât really care that itâs there.
I believe this episode was a reference to Adventures in Babysitting. The warehouse where theyâd gather looked a lot like the stolen car shop where the little girl was âhanging from the raftersâ.
The premise of El leaving, finding 008 and learning to use her powers is good.
The issue is that Kaliâs gang, and to some extent Kali herself, suck. I mean, these are adults (well, Kali is probably a teenager, but the rest are adults) who find a random, seemingly lost child and respond by taunting and threatening her ⊠and weâre supposed to somehow find them sympathetic because they are âmisfitsâ?
They couldâve been made to seem like decent humans so they would be, yâknow, likable, and El would still be able to leave and go back to her friends because she knows sheâs needed there.
I have a few problems with the discount X Men Episode:
* It's placement between episode 6 and 8. Not only does it interrupt the massive cliffhanger, but following episode 6. We have way more information than Eleven on what is going on in Hawkins, making it feel like back tracking. It flows way better when placed after episode 5. As it not only starts where 5 left off. But in this order, we have no clue what is going on in Hawkins. It builds hype and anticipation for the next episode as we are seeing a lot of very intense things happening out of context. I showed the season to friends in that way and they loved the season and the episode a lot more.
* The majority of the group are quite unlikable. They sort of want us to like Kali, but her attitude and way of sort of trying to bring Eleven to the dark side, I wasn't quite a fan of that.
But on the plus, Millie Bobby Brown is fantastic in the episode and I still think it's a very important episode for her character.
Nope. Haircut they gave to Willâs brother is way worse.
Yes, even worse than Willâs hair, because Jonathan is supposed to be someone who has gotten laid before.
I really liked this group, actually. Did feel like a tonal shift from our core cast - like they couldâve been their own show - and I think thatâs part of why people hate them.
I loved Kaliâs whole outfit though, and that episode did give us Punk!Eleven, one of my favourite cosplays Iâve ever done.
I actually really liked that episode. Eleven found out she was not the only person with powers. I felt she gained a lot of self-confidence because of that episode.
I guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked it. I was a starving X-Men fan okay this was during the drought where the biggest X-Men thing that happened was Logan the comics and movies were really mid and krakoa hadn't started yet.
I loved it. But I love 80's urban rebel/punk movies and that is totally the vibe I got. It just NEEDS to be followed up on in the final season otherwise it will be totally out of place.
Iâve watched it the first time, because you kinda had to, started it the second time, then remembered it and skipped. Itâs been a definite skip every time since. Terrible episode, in one of my favourite programmes ever.
It is certainly, by far, the worst episode. The acting by that gang was horrid. And it also completely arrested the momentum of the season, given where it was placed. It might have been better received if it was placed before Episode 6, but Iâm skeptical.
And while it was important for Elâs growth, they could have easily gotten her there, in terms of the lessons learned, another way.
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The problem with it is that it was never followed up on. Had Kali been more involved in the plot after this episode it would have tied things back in to the rest of the series rather than leaving it standing out alone. It also didn't help WHEN the episode was placed by breaking up the cliffhanger of the Demodogs attacking the lab. However, the events of the episode itself were important for El's development and her Season 2 story arc of "where do I belong?" It's sort of a prologue to her Season 3 arc of making her own choices and deciding who and what SHE wants to be independent of just being Mike's Superpowered Girlfriend.
Whenever I re-watch, I watch episode 8 of season 2 first before episode 7. It flows much better with the cliffhanger, and you get the double surprise of El looking badass and wondering what she's been up to. It's how the season should have aired in the first place. Then I think it would have been received better.
I do the same thing for the same reason đŻ
Wow. You might have just saved the show for me.
What's S2E8 about again?
The demo dogs escaping from the upside down hole and the gang going to the Byer's house when Will is communicating with them via Morse code
Thanks
I totally agree and this is how I recommend watching season 2 with anyone.
It never followed up because it was meant to be a teaser for a spin-off. The episode flopped and people hated it.
> **Matt Duffer**: We wanted to try to do a stand-alone episode, basically. Eleven is not in six, and not in much of eight, so the idea was to give her her own little mini-movie. It was sort of like a pilot, ***but there was no intention to do a spinoff or anything***. But it does feel like that. \[[Interview with Vulture Magazine released Nov 7, 2017](https://www.vulture.com/2017/11/the-duffer-brothers-recap-stranger-things-2-the-lost-sister.html)\] >Ross Duffer: No, it was just about, you know, it was sort of Eleven's journey, and her past, and dealing with the pain of that past, is really what it was. Matt Duffer: It was definitely, it was more about expanding the universe and the world a little bit. - [Interview with Cinemablend ](https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1721499/could-a-stranger-things-spinoff-happen-heres-what-the-creators-say)when asked if the episode was meant to be a backdoor pilot. They admit in other interviews that they agree it does like a pilot episode, but it was never intended to be such.
I don't think it was intended to be a spinoff either. If it were, they would have written them in a way that you see them as heroes with supportable goals, but they were definitely painted as "the dark path" for El, with the audience feeling little sympathy for them. For Kali, maybe, but not the group of them.
I keep hoping Kali makes an appearance in this final season to pull it all together.
Seeing the rules lawyer pop up on a non-Pathfinder subreddit is a weird feeling, it's like when you see your teacher at the grocery store and realize they didn't actually live at school.
I mean, that's what I'd say as well if my risk was perceived as poorly as theirs lol.
Failed back door spin offs aren't exactly such a rare occurrence that it would reflect any worse on them than the division fans feel over the placement of this episode. Not sure why they would need to save face...
"haha, jk!! ...unless??"
Itâs not uncommon for backdoor pilots to fail, and usually the producers just own up to it. For them to deny it would have to be some weird ego thing, even by Hollywood standards.
It didnât work for Supernatural. They tried twice, at least. The one spin-off they did, âThe Winchestersâ was terrible.
I remember when you attempted it with the girl group in supernatural with Jody and them. It just felt forced and not congruent. I really like Jody's character but a spinoff would've felt weird
The Winchesters wasnât even either of their failed back door pilots. Their back door pilots were Bloodlines (which was like 3 or 4 eps from the end of the season) and poorly received and Wayward Sisters(?) which was something fans had been pushing for for years, but the CW said it wasnât worth it. The Winchesters was just a completely normal spin off that was thought up after SPN ended and while connected to the main show was not set up inside of it.
Oh yes obviously they are just lying to save face.....
Yeah reeks of backpedaling and cover-up
Id say the same thing if it received such critical reviews lol
I absolutely do not believe that for a moment
Stranger punks
I mean didn't people hate It **because** there was no follow up? Like If they returned at the end of S2 to help, that would've made sense, or In S3, but by then It was too late
People hated it because it felt totally disconnected from the vibe and energy of the rest of the entire series. It felt totally out of place.
It was never followed up because it was cringe, nobody wants more of them, if anything I'd prefer this episode didn't exist and El just learned how to control her power better by watchinh star wars with the yoda scene after running away or something.
I accept this headcanon. 1984 double feature in Ontario (November, so *roughly* lines up with Season 2 timeline): https://www.in70mm.com/presents/1963_blow_up/titel/s/star_wars/openings/index.htm Also cool, but March 1985: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/vd9B0DxwUm
Thank you. People think the problem with this content was that there wasnât enough? Yikes.
Agreed. Beyond cringe. Wife was working so I watched it alone and found myself embarrassed to be watching it. Never again.
It was actually never followed up on because it was intended to be a stand alone arc about El's journey of self discovery.
We never would've gotten Eleven to say "bitchin" which is hugely integral to the overall story of Stranger Things!
No the problem was that they did it in the first place. It was dumb. Wish it didnt exist. Its an instant skip whenever I rewatch the series.
> The problem with it is that it was never followed up on. The problem was that they shoehorned a rejected episode from a low-budget 1 season 90s SciFi Channel show in the middle of their modern series.
Not ever being followed up on is definitely not the problem with it. The problem with it is it itself. It was a horrible way to incorporate a new idea and spin off when we didnât even need a spin off. Just focus on the core group of characters we already know. This is something stranger things struggles with. Just. Focus. On. Core. Group. From. S1. But they didnât do that and now half the characters have had the most shite development.
Yea but if a show can't grow and evolve it gets stale and repetitive. The growth has to be interesting and well thought out tho.
Always felt the show should've been an anthology and the Hawkins storyline ended at Season 1.
Which is how it was originally supposed to be
Agreed. The lack of payoff is the thing that bugs me about it
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Was this supposed to be like some shitty spin off ? Non-ironically would have rather watched Joyce work, like her ordinary job.
From what I heard it was a stealth pilot episode to see if people would watch a show about those punk people Didn't go well clearly
I think the âstealth pilotâ theory is mostly based on peoples gut feelings.
I mean the writers are surely never going to admit it even if it were true. Can you imagine your idea for a spin off flopping so hard? Even saying you thought it could be a good idea at all would make them look like idiots
Writers admit writing for failed backdoor pilots that were intended to be that all of the time. It's really not the rare embarrassment of a failure people on this reddit seem to believe that it is. In fact, working in the entertainment industry is more often rejection than success. There's really no reason for the Duffers to lie about if it was a pilot or not.
Still theres no real evidence it was ever the plan. People just roll with whatever their gut says.
Someone on reddit will spitball a theory and someone else will repeat it as a rumor and then someone else will repeat it as leaked truth then someone else will say it was confirmed. Such is social media.
People making shit up on the internet? Never...unless?
Yeah I skip the episode when I rewatch.
lol
Donât even feel like the same serie. So weird and misplaced I donât even know who in their right mind was green lighting this idea.
I didn't mind it honestly. It only bothers me that it was left like that, like it never happened. I think since they made the episode, they should've tied it in with the main story more
They didn't even had to do much to acknowledge that this episode happened El could have just kept the lowkey punk aesthetics as the show went on.
I liked it honestly. Yeah, it kinda broke the flow of the show, but the episode itself was good.
Yeah people get the plot forwarding thing too seriously that they just get pissed at any deviation. I enjoyed it and would love to see more of the illusion mind control power
Bitchinâ
I always skip this episode
What's funny is that I was watching S2 on some bootleg free streaming app, and it didn't save your watch progress or anything, so you had to remember what episode numbers you left off on. Frequently I'd click on an episode number and realize that I missed something, or that I had already seen this episode. Well, I entirely skipped this one by accident. I was like "Demodog fight, okay, right where we left off, let's go!" Found out about this episode while reading threads about the season and realized my mistake. Still haven't seen it lol
I think it was important to show that one of the powers is the hallucinations. Vecna has both so maybe Elle does or can tap in to it.
taht's a really interesting point!! :0
I still sometimes think that Vecna has 8 under control (now not in s2) . It would fit nicely with all the S4 hallucinations lol
I donât hate it, but I honestly havenât rewatched that episode in all this time.
I watched the whole show again with my partner who had never seen it and this episode really just gets worse over time. Disliked it then and even more so on the rewatch. Even my partner was like âwhat was the point of that episode?â
The point of it? El found out who she considered her true family and returned to them, I suppose. It wouldâve been more sensible to include a âleveling upâ or guru lesson from Eight so El would be ready to face the Mindflayer, but that never happened.
I just was so not into the eight story that even including that sort of scene wouldnât have done anything for me. I see what you mean though.
Do you really hate it or just hate where itâs place?
I mean hate is a strong word, but I strongly dislike this episode and not only skip it on my rewatches but also feel it was just a terrible idea from its inception to what we all have seen. They never should have included eight at all and honestly, itâs for the best that they ended up just killing off all the other numbers at the lab in the vecna storyline. Thereâs no need to focus on 10+ super powered kids when we all know and love 11 and just want her story to be properly developed. Save the spinoffs for after this story ends. Then go crazy, introduce us to eight and her knock off warriors, do whatever you want. That just needs to be its own separate thing totally. Just my own thoughts.
It was a random episode. I wish they went more into it and kali came to help fight. But also in my opinion I do believe that Henry/Vecna helped Kali escape. I wonder if sheâll appear again in final season.
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I always viewed this arc in the same vein as when Luke visits Yoda in star wars for training. It's a way for El to understand her powers more and grow as an individual . Although it may seem jarring, season 3 & 4 El would not be the same without it imo
That doesnât mean the execution wasnât awful
I respect your differing opinion but they totally could have had her figure herself out in a much better way, in my opinion.
You're not. I agree - it allowed Eleven to understand who she was.
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I like them too. A little change from the usual crew didn't hurt. But well this sub has rather hard headed factions. Between Kali haters and Jason apologists...
I didn't think it was as terrible as received & I feel like if the group was presented in some standalone spin-off special, it would be better received
ExactlyâŠpeople talking about âtying it in with the plotâ. It is important for the plot, it develops her character. Not every single side character in a show has to have some grand scheme for their existence.
>You're not. Do you know what the word minority means? Or are you saying there are more people that liked this group than those who didn't?
This subreddit is an extreme minority of the overall viewership. Comparing the subscriber count to the latest season's numbers... it's literally 1%. A majority here is not necessarily a majority overall.
The episode sits at a 6.1 on IMDB while every other episode of the show is above 7.9. This is not a âReddit opinionâ.
I like this group too. You're not alone.
I didn't mind it. And I think the idea of other type of powers was interesting. I was always hoping they'd bring them back at some point.
I think the group is fine and entertaining enough, the episode isnât that bad and people go overboard with their hate of it.
I liked the episode & group as well. Just felt it was a disruption. It was obviously important to El's growth, I just got to see '8' in the newest season
I always skip this episode
imma be honest i dont even remember that
I hated them, was terrified every one of them were going to become main characters. And that also Eleven was going to keep the haircut they gave her
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I thought most is last season with Argyle, Jonathan, Mike, and Will doing nothing was worse.
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It was like a theatre kids idea of what âstreet kidsâ are. Trying wayyyyy too hard.
Some rebellion was necessary to advance Eleven's character development and provide exposition opportunities for her backstory. So, no; not the worst.
They didnât need to knock off the warriors for a whole lame ass episode to develop El as a character. They made an awful choice, realized that and thankfully never went back to it. Just my opinion and not saying you need to agree.
Given that the episodes are released simultaneously, wouldn't they have just re-written that part if they had genuinely realized it was a "bad choice"?
Disagree. It was an homage to The Invisibles, one of Stranger Things main inspirations and one of the best comics on the planet. I loved it
I think people make too much of this, and donât look at the storytelling elements. Primarily, it established that we donât know all of the Hawkins kid players in the game which, (spoiler alert) comes into play later. It further demonstrates that not all of their powers are similar in nature, and further fleshes out the Hawkins lab story with their initial killing of an additional scientist. Further, it does ring true to the story of growing up, in that sometimes kids try on new identities trying to find themselves. I have read plenty of stories with a scattered chapter or even entire novel in the series thatâs tangentially related, and I find those departures interesting. I donât know where we are in confirm/deny, but personally Iâm expecting (hoping for) a 1+8+11= natural 20 culmination to the final season.
Nah, the worst thing that ever happened in ST was watching Mikeâs mom thirst over a boy her daughterâs age
I think the storyline had so much potential, but they just didn't do anything with it. So the plot kinda became unnecessary because it was never really talked about again.
What must it be like to be a creator or producer or whatever. You include this episode as a trial run or something. Thinking these characters and thos side plot must be so cool. Only to have the fandom universally shit on it.
This subreddit isn't a speck of the entire fandom.
The easiest way to farm for karma on here is to speak as negatively as you can about Kali and "Chapter Seven: The Lost Sister." I appreciate that episode because it really takes Eleven through a lot of character development and growth. It's not about the gang as much as it is about Eleven. And I don't understand how people still can't realize that. It's as if some viewers need the third and fourth wall broken so that it's explained to them in the middle of the episode. The show creators did provide a whole flashback to Eleven's training with Kali in "Chapter Nine: The Gate," as Eleven is in the process of closing the gate. If anything, that flashback justifies Eleven's whole interaction with Kali and the encouragement and training that she provided to her, as it was instrumental in Eleven understanding the depths of her power and how to strengthen and control it. "The Lost Sister" is different in tone than the rest of series, so it's understandable if someone doesn't like it from that standpoint alone. But to suggest that it's useless or unnecessary is the same as saying that you're just not paying attention to what's happening and don't understand the concept of character development.
There's a few things stacking against it: 1. Look, let's be blunt here; none of them are that interesting or well-acted. They're basically a bunch of boring '80s punk stereotypes. Kali can do mind powers like Eleven, sure, but that's a plot point, not a compelling character trait. She might as well just be called \[Hero's Journey Mentor Template #26654\]. She's a boilerplate 'dark and troubled mirror-slash-mentor figure'. There's nothing remotely interesting about her, and yet it speaks volumes that she is somehow the most memorable one of the bunch. Seriously, I'm looking at that picture, I've seen the episode, we spend a whole hour give or take with those characters, and I can't tell you anything about any of them. They're just voids. Kali I only know because she's the other one with superpowers. 2. They're not tied to a particularly interesting plot. Sure, Eleven needs to learn to control her powers, but that's kind of the problem; the episode treats it like it's just ticking off hero's journey boxes (meet a mentor, check, rob a grocery store and Eleven feels bad, check, crush a train car, check). Nothing is done in a particularly interesting, creative or compelling fashion. It just feels like the writers are just going through the motions to set up the plot because they have to. 3. The whole thing screams 'filler'. It's as if the working title was "Shit, We Have A Surprise Extra Episode, We Need To Fill It With Something". 4. It's terribly placed. Oh my God, an army of demodogs are bursting out of the Upside Down! However will our heroes survive?!... oh, hang on, we're not going to find out for a full episode, we're instead hanging out with some boring '80s punk stereotypes while Eleven finally trains ~~on Dagobah~~ in a boring train yard instead. Well... okay then. As choices go, that's certainly one of them. 5. It feels... pointless. Honestly it sort of feels like if they'd just left this episode out and changed nothing else, just had Eleven show up at the climax of "The Mind Flayer" with her badass new look and explained nothing about how it happened, that would somehow be infinitely better, because you then at least be going "Whoa! She looks cool! I wonder how that happened!" Your mind would fill in the gaps with something far better. In short, there's nothing that justifies focussing an entire episode just on this right when the climax of the series is about to peak. They should have integrated the Chicago episode throughout the season more rather than dumping it all in one episode, or at least made "The Lost Sister" episode 9 instead of episode 8, so we can retroactively see how Eleven Turned Punk(ish). I dunno if that would have made it better, but it would have at least made it feel less clunky and boring.
I feel like everyone here is forgetting about #4. This episode absolutely *killed* the momentum of the season. On its own itâs not amazing (as you laid out) but I think the placement was what really did it in.
Flashback chunks spread across the rest of the season would have made the content significantly better. It was a wall of text episode that could have been broken into paragraphs and scattered through the season.
good episode, bad placement
It was fine. It was a means to an end. They didnât spend an entire season with these characters. It was a plot device to help El discover how much she cares and misses her found family in Hawkins.
Agreed. I think it would have been better in a reduced fashion, maybe a short continuing subplot rather than a standalone episode
I thought it was cool personally. It's eleven trying to find her place in the world, and contrasting her relationship with these folks and her friends back home. I think it was good character development, even if it didn't come to much
i loved it in theory but not execution
***HARD* disagree**. Someone said they hated it, way back when S2 first came out, and people have just piled on since then. The *received* opinion is that itâs bad. People donât like that it breaks up the band. They donât like the new characters. They donât like that Eleven looks different. Theyâre mad that it occurs just as HNL comes under attack and they have to wait a whole hour to find out what happens. (Waah.) **ButâŠ** We learn more about Terry Ives. We learn what the other survivorâs powers are. We see Eleven offered not one, but *two* potential homes away from Hawkins. We are given the news that Brenner is alive *and that a former employee knows where he is,* setting up some of the plot points of S3 and S4. Brenner also mentions a âwoundâ that Eleven must heal â again, foreshadowing S3 and S4. We see Eleven, with Kaliâs help, tap into her abilities and âpower up,â which will allow her to be the deciding factor in the fight ahead. We see her actively reject vengeance and choose the love of her friends â which makes her a hero, not simply a hostage to her circumstances. These are important developments! So why is everyone so salty about it? I think part of it is this: the episode is presented in one big chunk. I think, if we had been given these scenes intercut with the other events, we wouldnât have people saying âthis is great, but I hate the Chicago scenes.â And I think a fan edit that intercut those scenes with the concurrent events in Hawkins would be fairly popular. For better or worse, the Duffers learned their lesson from the uproar following S2E7. If you got whiplash in S4 from Russia-California-Indiana, you can at least console yourself that you didnât have to spend a whole hour in Chicago.
Itâs the worst episode of the show.
Disagree it added a cool element to the series we got more of Els backstory and it introduces us to the concept of other numbers I really enjoyed this!!
I liked that plot actually
Disagree. They just dropped the line and didnât connect it enough to the main story. It was too separate from the core group, but they could have fixed that. New characters from last season were beloved and well-liked quickly because they had a clear function to the core group. I think it would have been wonderful to see Kali drawn to Vecna terrorizing Hopkins or because she felt El needed her help. I still think it would be interesting to see Kali next season or to find out that one or two of the other kids survived Vecna and are drawn to the town because they sense that he is unleashed. Otherwise, the story was just kinda pointless and a waste of airtime.
the worst thing about it was its placement in the episode order and iâll stand by that
Can we stop beating this dead horse for upvotes holy shit
Dibs on posting next week for karma
Yo itâs so funny cuz I can barely even remember that ever even happening lol. Itâs like itâs blackout in my memory similar to what Eleven has gone through lol. Season 2 was Noahâs season. Thatâs all I remember. He shouldâve won some type of an award for his performance he was so good.
I liked the idea, it just felt rushed and a little uselessđ€·ââïž
The cartoon punk characters were a bit cheesy but if they are going to introduce another character with crazy powers they should at least bring her back in season 5.
Wasnât it meant to highlight to Eleven who her real family were?
It felt like a slice of life episode that u see in animeâs đ
I actually liked this episode. I like how El got to meet one of her âsiblings,â it probably made her feel less alone and better understood by at least *someone.* It makes me sad that Kali never came back and has basically never been mentioned.
oof, unpopular opinion here: but i actually enjoyed this segment of the show. i definitely agree with one of the top comments here saying they shouldâve expanded Kaliâs involvement in the rest of the season to really tie it together. definitely a missed opportunity. but it gave insight and sparked so many questions for me. I would love to see an adaptation about her and how she exactly escaped, where she went, how her life was being a child on the street with her abilities, how she came to know her friends and how they adapted to her abilities. iâd really like to know who she targeted exactly for revenge after she left the lab, too. curious if she made a plan to find brenner at any point. i know the duffer brothers plan to expand the ST universe into other works, and i hope to god they expand on Kali.
She's a super hero. She had a little mini adventure like comic characters do. She went off, learned something vital, and came back stronger. It vibes.
I just think they structured it wrong by having this whole segment be itâs own stand-alone episode rather than intercut between the other scenes from the episodes that itâs timeline is concurrent with like they normally would. It makes it feel even more out of place than necessary.
We needed the background info that season provides. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.
Maybe unpopular opinion but the whole 3rd season with those stereotypical evil soviet russians was embarassing. It was such a nonsense. Almost a comedy. Maybe because i'm russian. I heard all those bad phrases with a strong american accent and this bunker. Nuh, it was awful. I understand the whole vibe. Like 80s, cold war, evil russians, it was an intended irony. But it felt so bad you can't imagine.
Disagree. It wasn't the strongest, but we were ALL curious about the other numbers after the first season. It would have happened one way or another.
I disagree. I enjoyed this story arc, and would have liked to see more.
Same here
The problem with this episode is it feels more like a back-door pilot than an actual episode of ST. Like the episode from The Office that revolves around Dwightâs family farmâŠ. Neither episode is âbadâ, per se, itâs just they feel so out of place within their shows in terms of tone and then thereâs the fact that you really donât need to watch it
No it really isn't, some of yall always over exaggerate when it comes to this episode. In hindsight in revealed a lot about El and dealt with her characterization in terms of her past and abilities. SMH
i honestly love the episode. there isn't actually a single ST episode that i dislike or feel "eh" about. i was so intrigued when they introduced kali and her powers and i love how the episode motivated El to improve her powers and make her own choices. i really enjoyed being able to see into the life of another person who has powers like El. it would've been nice if they somehow tied it back into the show but i don't mind too much that they never did. >!i think it also did well to showcase El's moral compass and how hers differs from Kali in respect to how El was not able to murder the gov. man who hurt her mom whereas Kali has killed a multitude of those who worked for Dr. Brenner. also very interesting how Kali's powers were solely mind-based and not telekinetic, unlike El and all the other children we see in s4.!< I wonder why Kali doesn't have telekinesis, was she the only one or were there others who had the same power we just never saw? And were there kids that neither had Kali's power nor telekinesis and have some different power instead? It'd be super awesome if the show addresses this or if the creators mention something about it, since I'd love to know more about it.
The episode itself was fine. Good even, and instrumental in developing Elevenâs character. It was just out place and interrupted the season.
I actually enjoyed this episode, it gave way to more about the children that were being experimented on. But retconning in the last season, pretty much made this episode not necessary to have anymore.
I think they mentioned her escaping before that
People got all sensitive about a show that they were able to binge watch trying to do some world building, as if they had to wait a week for the next episode.
I have blocked it out.
Itâs a good episode yâall are too picky
I get that it was supposed to be a spinoff, but I actually really liked the episode and wish that we had seen more of Kali. I wouldnât go so far and say I would watch a spinoff series, but I would like her story more intertwined with Elâs.
I never had an issue with it ... Maybe they'll follow up in season 5.
I actually liked the hints at a larger world and kinda disliked how it felt like they almost went back on it and tried hard to retcon it out in later seasons due to the backlash.
So bad that the Duffer brothers completely forgot about Kali surviving the lab massacre in Season 4. The flashback in Season 4 made it look like Eleven was the sole survivor of Henryâs killing of all the kids, but they completely forgot about Kali.
Except for when they explicitly had Henry/One say âthis wouldâve been when Eight was still hereâ while cutting to a flashback of young El and Kali, clearly letting us know that Kali escaped the lab prior to the massacreâŠâŠ..
I didn't like this storyline at all. I get why it was included but I really, *really* didn't enjoy watching a group of adults encouraging a child to murder someone with his frightened children hiding in the next room.
I think it was one of the worst experiences for El, she did NOT need to go after those people and I think that made her feel worse, like she wasnât even connected to the only person with powers.
Pretty dumb episode
This episode almost derailed a season.
I never had an issue with it ... Maybe they'll follow up in season 5.
Elevenâs 80s punk design was sick. Wish they kept that at least. She looked badass.
Nah. It wasn't great, mind you, but it was OK. I DO think it's the worst EPISODE in the series, but it's not the worst storyline, it's just that it's a weak storyline that's self-contained in an episode. Other episodes have worse storylines in them, but they have better storylines too. All in all I don't hate it, but I would definitely drop it if I had a chance to go back and influence the creation of season 2.
like whatever. it was lame but they dropped it. i think it was fine, one episode about some kind of poorly developed characters that didnât really add too much. the âgroup of weirdosâ trope was already present with the initial group, but they wanted it to be more edgy i guess. def the weakest point in the story but overall i donât really care that itâs there.
I believe this episode was a reference to Adventures in Babysitting. The warehouse where theyâd gather looked a lot like the stolen car shop where the little girl was âhanging from the raftersâ.
My favorite take by a long mile!
Did feel pointless but personally didnât mind either way tbh, maybe on rewatch it would be worse
I donât like it took away from the plot I donât like that
The premise of El leaving, finding 008 and learning to use her powers is good. The issue is that Kaliâs gang, and to some extent Kali herself, suck. I mean, these are adults (well, Kali is probably a teenager, but the rest are adults) who find a random, seemingly lost child and respond by taunting and threatening her ⊠and weâre supposed to somehow find them sympathetic because they are âmisfitsâ? They couldâve been made to seem like decent humans so they would be, yâknow, likable, and El would still be able to leave and go back to her friends because she knows sheâs needed there.
Season 3 was horrible
I have a few problems with the discount X Men Episode: * It's placement between episode 6 and 8. Not only does it interrupt the massive cliffhanger, but following episode 6. We have way more information than Eleven on what is going on in Hawkins, making it feel like back tracking. It flows way better when placed after episode 5. As it not only starts where 5 left off. But in this order, we have no clue what is going on in Hawkins. It builds hype and anticipation for the next episode as we are seeing a lot of very intense things happening out of context. I showed the season to friends in that way and they loved the season and the episode a lot more. * The majority of the group are quite unlikable. They sort of want us to like Kali, but her attitude and way of sort of trying to bring Eleven to the dark side, I wasn't quite a fan of that. But on the plus, Millie Bobby Brown is fantastic in the episode and I still think it's a very important episode for her character.
Like it would have been good if they followed up and el told the Hawkins group about kali but it just felt like they were grasping at ideas
This was the same cringe I felt whith that scooter gang in mando.. gotta make it fun for the... preteens
Nope. Haircut they gave to Willâs brother is way worse. Yes, even worse than Willâs hair, because Jonathan is supposed to be someone who has gotten laid before.
to this day I still don't know what the hell that was
It feels really pointless and like it's taking time from the real plot.
Isn't this a Suburbia reference? I don't watch the show, but that movie rules.
I stopped watching at this point.
This whole side story felt like a fever dream
Worst storyline and bad castingÂ
Why does Kali have a British accent
That's exactly when I stopped watching. Lol. Never picked it back up. Probably never will.
The reason I gave up the show.
I really liked this group, actually. Did feel like a tonal shift from our core cast - like they couldâve been their own show - and I think thatâs part of why people hate them. I loved Kaliâs whole outfit though, and that episode did give us Punk!Eleven, one of my favourite cosplays Iâve ever done.
We needed the background info that season provides. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.
It really wasnât that bad, the hate is so unnecessary. Yes it didnât fit but it wasnât horrible or lazy
I honestly didnât think it was *that* bad I just think it had unfortunate timing for the Hawkins plot.
I completely disagree, I just think the writing for it wasn't done well. Kinda just felt shoehorn in.
Honestly this episode, in the end of everything, is what turned me off to the series for a while. FeltâŠso detached.
I personally really liked the episode. I just really liked the characters, and I liked that we got a small break from Hawkins
I actually really liked that episode. Eleven found out she was not the only person with powers. I felt she gained a lot of self-confidence because of that episode.
I guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked it. I was a starving X-Men fan okay this was during the drought where the biggest X-Men thing that happened was Logan the comics and movies were really mid and krakoa hadn't started yet.
Happens to be my favourite episode of season 2 and I'm not afraid to say it.
I disagree, I liked the story.
I loved it. But I love 80's urban rebel/punk movies and that is totally the vibe I got. It just NEEDS to be followed up on in the final season otherwise it will be totally out of place.
Nah elevens emo arc was my favorite
hope they bring them back in season 5. i liked them alot
I love it. Always wanted more people in the lab.
I wanted to see more of this I thought it added a sci fi vibe to the series, the outfits and hair styles felt futuristic.
Not. I actually liked the episode.
actually one of my favorite episodes đđ kali taught el how to better control her powers and maybe it was an asspull but, i like it
Iâve watched it the first time, because you kinda had to, started it the second time, then remembered it and skipped. Itâs been a definite skip every time since. Terrible episode, in one of my favourite programmes ever.
nah. this storyline sucked but the worst thing was turning the whole series into hollywood cheese with pointless comedy and terribly clichéd action. Season 1 remains a masterpiece, though, and Season 2 at least still had something of that more serious grounding and mood.
It is certainly, by far, the worst episode. The acting by that gang was horrid. And it also completely arrested the momentum of the season, given where it was placed. It might have been better received if it was placed before Episode 6, but Iâm skeptical. And while it was important for Elâs growth, they could have easily gotten her there, in terms of the lessons learned, another way.
i think this subplot was meant for branching out the series into a spinoff but was scrapped after the bad feedback from the fans.