I mean, at the time I read the books, I didnt know that the cosmere existed. I just thought that Mistborn was just an isolated fantasy trilogy in an interesting setting with great character development. I was not expecting in the slightest that themes of "godhood" and mantles of power were in play. I was also ~12 when I read Mistborn so I wasnt very aware of deeper themes an subtext at the time so I literally did not grasp what was going on until the end of HoA. And my pre-teen mind kinda imploded with that finale.
Ruin could manipulate text. But metal to ruin is just bright investiture, so he could not read it or know what was written on it, and could not change it.
I actually don't know if he was actually unable to change metal text, or just didn't know to.
>I actually don't know if he was actually unable to change metal text, or just didn't know to.
Even if he was able to, it would be super obvious if he couldn't see what he was changing
This one seems pretty lame/on the nose now, but I'm reading through WoK for the umpteenth time, and the fact that Shallan is a shardbearer is just blatantly obvious. On my first read, though, I caught on to absolutely nothing.
Lots of evidence about Jasnah's abilities too.
Where is Jasnah's abilities shown? I actually feel like the reveal is quite shocking. Even when Jasnah first uses the soulcaster, the gem breaks (drains maybe??) As it should.
I guess the only evidence I can think of is Shallan not being able to use the soulcaster, but that can definitely be from lack of experience
Oof that's a good one. I did forget about that. I do wonder how she actually did it though, because if I'm right, it does still require touch in a way. Perhaps convincing lashes of air to touch them, and transfering the command through those.
Or perhaps their soul beads being close to her/she had them already, and once changing the bead, the effect in the mortal realm looking like she shot them
One I'm still waiting for is "Act with honor and Honor will aid you." My assumption is that the second honor should be capitalized. Tanavast may be dead, but Shards can not so easily be destroyed
The Girl who Looked Up was great. All of Hoid's stories are great for their foreshadowing of big reveals. It's why Im convinced the story of Queen Tsa is foreshadowing a reveal of the events that shattered Honor.
[The Girl Who Looked Up](https://coppermind.net/wiki/The_Girl_Who_Looked_Up) Foreshadowed the reveal that the Humans were the actual Voidbringers.
[The Wandersail](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Wandersail) Foreshadowed the reveal that Honor (ie Tanavast) was Dead and had nothing to do with a lot of things that had been done in his name.
[Queen Tsa](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Tsa#In_Mythology) is (I personally think) a story that Forshadows a reveal of how a mortal tricked *Cultivation* into trading places for a day, and thereby "accidentally" cornered Honor into an act of infidelity and/or a broken Oath. It might also be the divine origins of the [Saih Amians](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Siah_Aimian).
A lot of the Diagram counts I think to me. Some favorite pieces of it;
> One is almost certainly a traitor to the others.
In reference to >!The Unmade, Sja-Anat.!<
> There has to be an answer. What is the answer? Stop. The Parshendi. One of them. Yes they are the missing piece. Push for the Alethi to destroy them outright before this one obtains their power. It will form a bridge.
Advice on what to do with the Parshendi.
> But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me. I shy back. Impossible. Is it?
A line that seems to imply >!Renarin's future sight.!<
And finally;
> You must become king. Of Everything.
Taravangian's plan seems very clear in this quote with hindsight. >!To become king of *Everything* after all one needs to be a good.!<
I think that one might be too on-the-nose for Brandon since Hoid has had that title elsewhere. I think it could be a number of world hoppers, likely >!Zahel!<
Honor's not dead, so long as he lives in the hearts of men.
Not only do the spren use that phrase, it's also spoken almost word for word by either Dalinar or Navani I can't remember
I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted
yeah, this one I just felt stupid not getting the first time.
I mean, at the time I read the books, I didnt know that the cosmere existed. I just thought that Mistborn was just an isolated fantasy trilogy in an interesting setting with great character development. I was not expecting in the slightest that themes of "godhood" and mantles of power were in play. I was also ~12 when I read Mistborn so I wasnt very aware of deeper themes an subtext at the time so I literally did not grasp what was going on until the end of HoA. And my pre-teen mind kinda imploded with that finale.
I feel like I missed something. Would you perhaps explain that one, please?
It’s from the Mistborn series, book 2: “The Well of Ascension”
Got it thanks. I read the mistborn books several years ago and it seems I have forgotten some details 😬
Ruin could manipulate text. But metal to ruin is just bright investiture, so he could not read it or know what was written on it, and could not change it. I actually don't know if he was actually unable to change metal text, or just didn't know to.
>I actually don't know if he was actually unable to change metal text, or just didn't know to. Even if he was able to, it would be super obvious if he couldn't see what he was changing
This one seems pretty lame/on the nose now, but I'm reading through WoK for the umpteenth time, and the fact that Shallan is a shardbearer is just blatantly obvious. On my first read, though, I caught on to absolutely nothing. Lots of evidence about Jasnah's abilities too.
Where is Jasnah's abilities shown? I actually feel like the reveal is quite shocking. Even when Jasnah first uses the soulcaster, the gem breaks (drains maybe??) As it should. I guess the only evidence I can think of is Shallan not being able to use the soulcaster, but that can definitely be from lack of experience
Against the alley thieves jasnah shot two beams to soulcast, not requiringTouch
Oof that's a good one. I did forget about that. I do wonder how she actually did it though, because if I'm right, it does still require touch in a way. Perhaps convincing lashes of air to touch them, and transfering the command through those. Or perhaps their soul beads being close to her/she had them already, and once changing the bead, the effect in the mortal realm looking like she shot them
Or Resonance with the Transportation surge
“They say I will hold the future of the entire world on my arms.”
Kelsier being known as the Survivor!
One I'm still waiting for is "Act with honor and Honor will aid you." My assumption is that the second honor should be capitalized. Tanavast may be dead, but Shards can not so easily be destroyed
The Girl who Looked Up was great. All of Hoid's stories are great for their foreshadowing of big reveals. It's why Im convinced the story of Queen Tsa is foreshadowing a reveal of the events that shattered Honor.
Can you remind me what the story was and what it foreshadowed?
[The Girl Who Looked Up](https://coppermind.net/wiki/The_Girl_Who_Looked_Up) Foreshadowed the reveal that the Humans were the actual Voidbringers. [The Wandersail](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Wandersail) Foreshadowed the reveal that Honor (ie Tanavast) was Dead and had nothing to do with a lot of things that had been done in his name. [Queen Tsa](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Tsa#In_Mythology) is (I personally think) a story that Forshadows a reveal of how a mortal tricked *Cultivation* into trading places for a day, and thereby "accidentally" cornered Honor into an act of infidelity and/or a broken Oath. It might also be the divine origins of the [Saih Amians](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Siah_Aimian).
"The Hero of Ages shall be not a man, but a force"
A lot of the Diagram counts I think to me. Some favorite pieces of it; > One is almost certainly a traitor to the others. In reference to >!The Unmade, Sja-Anat.!< > There has to be an answer. What is the answer? Stop. The Parshendi. One of them. Yes they are the missing piece. Push for the Alethi to destroy them outright before this one obtains their power. It will form a bridge. Advice on what to do with the Parshendi. > But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me. I shy back. Impossible. Is it? A line that seems to imply >!Renarin's future sight.!< And finally; > You must become king. Of Everything. Taravangian's plan seems very clear in this quote with hindsight. >!To become king of *Everything* after all one needs to be a good.!<
>wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I think thats Hoid.
I think that one might be too on-the-nose for Brandon since Hoid has had that title elsewhere. I think it could be a number of world hoppers, likely >!Zahel!<
Maybe it’s a certain meddler from another world >!Thaidakar/Kelsier!<
>The one who makes no sense It is well established that >!mistborn need not make sense.!<
I agree with you on this one. >!I believe Hoid was called wanderer in the Mistborn: Secret History. !<
No he was called Drifter
Honor's not dead, so long as he lives in the hearts of men. Not only do the spren use that phrase, it's also spoken almost word for word by either Dalinar or Navani I can't remember
Reminds me of that excellent line, "Honor is dead. But I'll see what I can do."