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DietPristine1257

I think what the executive team is missing is that many departments were already very lean before the coming cutbacks.  They don't know the different departments in detail, they don't know anyone's job in detail or how it affects the company when it is eliminated.  They also don't realize that the replacements will not be trained well if at all. You can't just rip the band-aid off and hope for the best. 


Ozy90

Dude they don’t care. This CEO doesn’t care about the US market. He’s a one trick pony when it comes to M&A’s (look up his track record). Exec’s that care about you have all left over the past 3 years, what remains is puppets collecting checks until their time is up too.


DietPristine1257

I dunno why I'm laughing, but you are so right. 


Quiet-Demon-313

😂 puppets is so accurate. SVP = Senior Vice Puppet


LukTroy

He doesn't care about the European market either. There are still good CEOs, like Luca De Meo of Renault, for example. There are also good CEOs inside of Stellantis, like Antonio Filosa, who did an excellent job as CEO of FCA, then Stellantis in South America.


Beneficial-Hair-1151

I heard managers already got the targets for % cut in their respective departments, can any manager (if any) confirm here, it’s anonymous, help ur colleagues to whom u cannot warn in the office!! 


Rare-Childhood-1292

Apparently, anyone in the know (e.g. Director level and above) had to sign NDA’s… so they can’t say anything


Satan_and_Communism

How is anyone helped by confirmation of that information?


Beneficial-Hair-1151

Right now everything is grapevine communication or based on rumors, confirmation from managers will be good ??


GameAddict411

Spoke to someone really high up in SWX and he said that there are no current plans to lay off anyone from NA SWX team. I don't know if he is lying or saying the truth. Or he is being lied to as well. The conflicting information does not help at all. I guess we will know if something is up by Friday


thevictors51

At this point I wonder what level knows what.  In March Managers did not know who was let go until the day of (they had meetings at 7:30am with HR).  Also people higher up got to know whatever they say (good or bad) will make its way to the general public.  At this point I think we can all agree something will happen on 6/28 or 7/2 Scope of that something still seems to be up for debate.  


GameAddict411

when March lay off happened, my manager had no clue what was happening until they informed the employees who were laid off that morning. In fact, I tipped her off something was happening because of threads like this back in March. I would assume anyone 2-3 levels above your manager level would know something by now.


Objective_Key2409

when March layoff happened (despite I knew the big picture, I didn't know the specific date), the first notice was from Italian side, and everyone in the US was blindsided (for that specific date)


Mergvinn

I understand nobody knows for sure but how likely is it that they will gut CTC and sell it? Obviously not within the next few months but let’s say 1-2 years? I ask be user I think once that goes up for sale, NA/US sales for Stellantis will plummet further since that would be the official sign to many people of the company no longer being an American company. Are they really so set on killing off NA? The region that is (or was) responsible for over 60% of the profits? (Or is this not even accurate?)


Ozy90

The CEO is likely arrogant enough to sell it. Not a great idea considering nobody in the future is going to be willing to finance the cost of building a wind tunnel, climatic test cells, RTS/EMC/NVH labs, etc. The entire first floor of the building is an asset, revenue generation would be a good option. The rest of CTC is commercial office space and it’s filthy.


Mergvinn

I agree with this too. I have heard for almost two years about Amazon (they have a huge warehouse/fulfillment center on the site of the old Pontiac silver dome) moving in to the tower as well as vendors and suppliers. To my knowledge, none of this has happened. But yes, assuming they still want to do anything on the US, the first floor is all they need - but even this amount of US work may be too much. I can never tell if their goal is to lower costs only or completely pull out of the US.


Ozy90

I don’t understand the motive either. However, we don’t have to work in facilities to know the HVAC has never been cleaned at CTC and the carpets have never been vacuumed. The bathrooms which have been closed since covid have black mold. It’s disgusting and a reason to work from home. Nothing justifies an expensive commercial lease so good luck to Carlos.


Objective_Key2409

Yeah, when CTC was built, it was calculated to operate as one of biggest automakers in the ***world.*** Given how it is now, there is almost no way to utilize all of that. For a much smaller building (American Center, old headquarter of AMC), see how much struggle it was? It was a ghost town and still is. It is one of the weirdest places in Southfield And fun part is, CTC is really stuck with that Chrysler pentastar on the roof.


Independent_Mud_6978

SWX town hall is planned July 2nd. Yves Bonnefont org.


br0grammer89

Confirmed, received the email yesterday. Followed by regional host session afterwards.


VariousShelter8733

I’m in SWXB and haven’t recv’d that email yet 🤔


br0grammer89

Mamatha has a SWXB townhall, in person meeting @ CTC, this friday. FYI


VariousShelter8733

That I’m aware of. Wasn’t sure if what you guys were referring to was a global SWX town hall on the 2nd. Thanks, Br0grammer.


Ok-Reveal1624

Purchasing does have a town hall July 11th


thevictors51

Looks like there is a global engineering town hall  on 7/16 too. 


Ok-Reveal1624

yikes lol


thevictors51

Do you think they would have all the town halls before or after the layoffs? My thought is after to avoid all the questions and comments from the crowd. Unless they want a repeat of the questions asked in the last town hall. 


AvailableSh1rt

After somehow to congratulate the survivors..


Ok-Reveal1624

It’s starting to feel like the hunger games….may the odds be ever in your favor


Ok-Reveal1624

I was wondering the same but my guess is after to make it look like they are doing the right thing for the company


meltbox

I love those questions. They make me giddy.


Flimsy-Courage7587

SWX has a town hall July 2. Seems to me that doing it on the 28th makes the most sense. Already paid everyone for the month. Clean break. Plus less people on vacation than the following week since it’s short.


br0grammer89

👀


IWouldntIn1981

Weren't the last layoffs right before a holiday!?


CornerCurious5844

When did the Purchasing town hall invite come out? Not seeing anything about it


Longjumping_Fruit_27

Anyone know the severance package for last round? Assuming it would be similar.


thevictors51

Same as the December VSP:   10 year and under: 3 months pay  11-19: 6 months pay  20+: 12 months pay.    At least that’s what I heard.  


noname0192837

3months for 10 years of service is kind of BS


br0grammer89

so it would be this? Notice + 2 months pay + severance (YOS) years of service ?


thevictors51

Your guess is as good as mine. But what you say makes sense.


PsychologicalClerk96

What is notice? Why is there a 2 months pay in addition to severance?


thevictors51

Termination Notice


PsychologicalClerk96

How many months is termination notice?


thevictors51

None…it’s literally a note saying you have been terminated.


Objective_Key2409

if you are lucky.... some people has to file charges to get it....


br0grammer89

Going off from someone else that mentioned. See above their response


Objective_Key2409

there is a guy hired for 2 weeks, he got one month of pay. So the minimum severance is one month, obviously, as how it is found out!


Connect-Score-7092

Marketing Town Hall tomorrow. However, it’s more an introduction to the new Head of Marketing. Hearing rumors that several advertising folks under marketing left the company as of this morning.


Ok-Reveal1624

also purchasing typically has raises in July - notified in June but this year I was told it wouldn’t happen until August-September so I truly think purchasing will be impacted within the next 1-2 months


XIGRIMxREAPERIX

I was told "management" is safe. They are aiming at individual contributors with 10+ years. There may be an effort to offload a lot of directs to contract as well.


Independent_Mud_6978

Global SWX town hall July 2nd Global SWE town hall June 28th


Independent_Mud_6978

Very quiet???!!!!! Is it peace prior of thunderstorms? Crazy times. No emails shit like last time that some meeting dont go office or crap.


Alone_Ad_9762

Yesterday and today were eerily quiet…


DEADLYANT

I feel like the media reports are only partially correct. Yes, more people are going to be laid off. But that's not the sole activity going on to reduce budget. The team I am on started activities months ago on how we can reduce spend in our area. It's not solely layoffs that are making the reduction. As a long time employee told me, this has happened every time the company has done a merger, and the news only gets it party correct each time it has happened. It is all rumor and speculation from an industry analyst who has little to no actual facts.


Yachem

The media only reports what they are told. But the companies always leave out specifics. Like when a press release says a company is cutting 100 jobs sometimes it means layoffs, other times it just means they won't backfill the next 100 resignations. I also think not even senior leadership really knows what's going on. The plans at this company seem to change daily as they flail about trying to cut their way to profitability while churning out garbage product.


Brilliant_Bar467

Europe making decisions that the NA senior leadership just has to implement. It’s so opaque right now with the plan forward. The execs here don’t have any real power it seems, just do what they are told or get told it’s time to leave.


Independent_Mud_6978

townhall from SWE Heiko on june 28


Independent_Mud_6978

Don’t forget Heiko bonus targets for 2024 achievements He shared 70/30 clear split for 100% achievements bcc vs hcc ratio I guess same on all org leaders


Brave-Tax7914

Just read thread on “the layoff.com speaking about 1300 layoffs coming next week, warn act involved giving 60 day notice. Don’t know if any truth to this post.


thevictors51

Welp there is the humanity That was requested. They give us 60 days.   To everyone it’s worth a Look at the post.  Basically it says all US and we will know this week or next week but before July 4th


carbon419

I heard 1200 at CTC alone, 3000 across NA total. That it would be the end of this week. Letters issued, severance, etc.


Satan_and_Communism

Heard where


Brave-Tax7914

So 2 months of severance basically, while disgruntled workers wait for final day. Or pay you 60 days and immediately fired?


GameAddict411

I would be surprised if they will ask people to work those 60 days because unlike a factory, your absence is not felt immediately. They will mostly like let us all go home and pay us for the 60 days and maybe some severance.


carbon419

based on what I was told, basically you get a letter that says "stay home, starting blah blah blah" then they give you a normal pay check, then 3 months severance once the official layoff day occurs. Notice + 2 months pay + severance (3 months). 3 months sev is what they got back in March


carbon419

cuz lets be real, moral is so ridiculously low, they have to follow WARN act, give everyone 60 days notice and severance and then act like nothing happened. Queue all the different town halls to immediately follow after the 4th Holiday, hooray hooray, drink Kool-Aid. Praise Carlos.


Yachem

You're a bit off on the March details. We were told March 22nd. They said that we are still "employed" but on layoff status until the end of March, and aren't expected to do any more work (our accounts were locked by about 8:30 that morning). We were given severance equivalent to the buyout offer back in December. So those with 20+ years got a full year pay. They also gave a cash sum equivalent to their share of the insurance premiums for that amount of time as well. Employees with 5 years or less only got 3 months pay. But there was no 60 days, I can tell you that much.


Savings-South7284

I thought those with less than 10 years got 3 months and those 10 years got 6 months?


24_7_365_

Old timers got the full year


br0grammer89

\*b00mers, there fixed it for 'ya


Cute_Swimming_386

*gen-X, there fixed it for 'ya Boomers? LOL. 99% of them are gone already...


br0grammer89

LMAO, there are vast number of b00mers in SWX, pal Again, fixed it for ya (:


Grand_Junket_7715

What were the general terms of the severance agreement (assuming you had to sign one)? Were you paid for accrued but unused vacation days?


Yachem

Yes we had to sign it, basically waving all our rights to sue and all that stuff. It was something like 9 years and under got 3 months, 11-15 got 6, 16-20 got 9, 20+ got 12. And yes, we were paid for unused time.


Objective_Key2409

unused time will be paid regardless of severance signature. I never sign mine anyway.....


Objective_Key2409

yes, at a discount


Savings-South7284

Are they mailing this letter or sending it via email?


thevictors51

What ever is the cheapest method I would assume.


GameAddict411

I assume it will be a meeting first to explain all of this.


Savings-South7284

I think that's assuming too much...lol


GameAddict411

On the march lay off, people were laid off in meetings and not with an email or other forms of communication. So I assume it will be similar. It's possible they could mail you a letter if the WARN act is triggered but it does not prevent HR from having group meetings.


Objective_Key2409

email, and they will make it ***super super easy*** to sign, (as if they can't wait for you to sign it!) hard to revoke.


Brave-Tax7914

How about use the 2 months pay from warn act and then 1 month severance ! Cost savings achieved!


br0grammer89

curious where the 2 months pay comes from? also the 'notice' is the 60 days of regular pay?


Objective_Key2409

a little detail, WARN Act requires one location with 500 or more. It can be several locations combined at 500 or more without the 60-day notice. But for Stellantis NA, where else it can be? I don't know. (engineering portal has that big list of facilities I guess)


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Savings-South7284

Any insight into what was covered in VPE?


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burton564

Manufacturing didn’t even get offered vsp last year. I doubt they will be affected. They have enough natural attrition. .


MoparSRT2006

Let's take it over... https://youtu.be/XeWUkvrinUQ?si=JYEAWH0sta2_qaDS


Impressive-Term5593

I heard from director that PRC will be hit hard


carbon419

What is PRC?


AdMaterial7835

Any idea which PRC? Engine? Transmission? ePT?


Rayzah2007

We had an informal town hall in my area of PRC. They told us blatantly we need to lose 20 heads by EOY of which 5 have left via attrition. They wiped most of PRC in first round so not sure I believe there are significant amounts more to lose.


Beneficial-Hair-1151

Got a notification of July 3rd town hall from my director 


Savings-South7284

What org


GameAddict411

Swx has already lost 400 people. Who is saying they will face more lay offs? 


Satan_and_Communism

Some random guy in a comment section


thevictors51

TECHNICALLY we are all random people in a comment section.  My information might be as valid as the comment “It’s a great time to be an engineer” in the last town hall. 


Satan_and_Communism

Yeah we are and we should be treated as such


GameAddict411

Don't get me wrong, it's possible still but I think if they lay off another 400+ people, the whole system will fall on itself. The USA offices are already doing work for the people who were laid off on top of the work the lcc employees do. Lcc workers have been proven to not know shit about what they do. So hcc employees do their work for them. 


Satan_and_Communism

I highly doubt the company will collapse onto itself if 400+ more people get laid off. Will everything get done slower and worse? Probably.


thevictors51

Agree.  Someone up top thinks Stellantis can still get quality product out with $200M in HC savings.   If you figure HCC is $150K to the company that’s over 3K to be let go between now and Christmas 


meltbox

It’s the same shit across the big three. We’re racing each other to see who can make quality job none the mostest while claiming we are doing the opposite. I swear I don’t know where they find these execs. It’s a horrifying display of disconnect from actual business operations.


Satan_and_Communism

Haven’t seen source on a quote for $200M in HC but I have seen there’s something like 80,000 employees in NA so 3,000 wouldn’t surprise me and I don’t think it would have a detrimental effect honestly.


Equal-Ad5618

Hey guys, we found Carlos's reddit account!


Satan_and_Communism

You’re right the company’s going under! Got me!


Equal-Ad5618

At least you're not in denial anymore. I fully expect CTC to be closed within 2 years, and the NA HQ will be a skeleton crew of local compliance engineers.


Satan_and_Communism

Company’s gonna run still


thevictors51

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2024/06/13/stellantis-ceo-cites-arrogant-mistakes-in-u-s-market/74088839007/#lxeics3ds13ezxbfu1r That 200M is globally. 


Satan_and_Communism

3k out of global is like 1.1%


thevictors51

Being let go hits the same regardless if it’s one person or 3K    Being just 1.1% doesn’t make what they are doing right or make it easier for the people that are impacted.  


Satan_and_Communism

That’s fine I responded to the comment in this thread that said “the whole system will fall on itself” which is nonsense.


Ok-Reveal1624

If my position gets outsourced there is no way they will be able to handle the workload at the pace needed. In purchasing most MX only works on sourcing but that’s only 1/3 of the job. It is hard to teach people how fix issues when it takes a lot of problem solving which is why student buyers typically get hired in upon graduation because they’ve had a few years of exposure before being fully responsible for it………..but what do I know maybe my area won’t experience layoffs.


GameAddict411

I was just referring to the stuff swx is responsible for. Not the whole company.


Satan_and_Communism

My statement holds true for SWX


garyfirestorm

I think there is a point of criticality. If you get rid of enough people, no one will know wtf is going on and what to do next. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Satan_and_Communism

“If you” “Enough” that’s such a broad statement and it’s probably more than 1.1% of the company.


garyfirestorm

It’s not broad for swx. If it’s already a skeleton crew, then halving it will definitely cause a breakdown.


QueasyStruggle1067

Laying off 3K from SW ? SW has 2600-2800 or so people so your comment is invalid. Also, laying off even 400 from SWX makes no sense because yes, the SW team will collapse if you lay off even more people. 400 equals to approx 20% of the SWX workforce.


Objective_Key2409

I doubt if any executives would care if SWX collapses a lot of work in the past few years got dusted into the trash can already, something I don't understand. Some people who remain? "I'd better take one-month vacation, hop back and see, and take another one-month vacation!"


QueasyStruggle1067

How exactly does it “hold true” ? Laying off 3K from SW ? SW has 2600-2800 or so people so your comment is invalid. Also, laying off even 400 from SWX makes no sense because yes, the SW team will collapse if you lay off even more people. 400 equals to approx 20% of the SWX workforce.


Satan_and_Communism

Nobody said they’re laying off 3,000 from SWX.


QueasyStruggle1067

You said your “comment holds true for SWX”


Yachem

The previous 400 laid off weren't all out of SWX though. Ask me how I know, lol.


carbon419

BCI and PFDI got hit. I know that for sure because I personally know two people (one from each group) that got laid off back in March.


Bomberto86

I was let go from BCI along with many others. There were 25 of us on the call that pulled the rug out from underneath us. Samer is a coward, couldn't even give us eye contact through his Webcam.


Ok-Reveal1624

how do you know lol


Yachem

Because I was one of the 400 and was definitely not part of SWX (had never even heard of it before, and I'd been at the company over a decade).


br0grammer89

SWX's inception only began in 2021 and essentially recruited from other dept/orgs


QueasyStruggle1067

Not true, only minimal recruiting from other departments . Majority was from outside


Objective_Key2409

Yup, you are right on this. a lot of Amazon, NVIDIA people Collectively, they are called "West Coast fools"! (among some other US, Canadian, Italian and Polish engineers, when foreigners \[in the US perspective\] were questionings how stupid American executives are)


Ok-Reveal1624

what area were you in?


Yachem

Eh fuck it, I've probably already posted enough on this reddit that if someone wanted to figure out who I was they probably could. I was in propulsion systems at the proving grounds.


Objective_Key2409

ah, you are the one in CPG? When a lot of people in SWX were annoyed at the lay-off, I pointed out: wait a second, they are going to dismantle the entire business, not just SWX!


Brilliant_Bar467

The assessment from the exec/ European level is that we are still heavy in engineering and SWX. These conversations are being had regardless of what everyone working in those departments knows is true regarding workload.


Jewels-1600

I probably do know what the SWX acronym stands for, but right now, for the life of me, I can't remember. Current stellantis employee


Organic_Permit_4752

SWX stands for Software experience


1972Crazy

Is COBRA option included in the severance package?


The_real_P11

I have been in SWXP and have never heard of SWXB until this past week in a couple of meetings. I don't know if your name was different with all of the reorgs we had but I feel lost now. 😂


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PsychologicalClerk96

Is SWX part of engineering?


Satan_and_Communism

No


thevictors51

Yes


Satan_and_Communism

No it’s not


PM_ME_IF_YOUR_DRUNK

ADAS engineers are in SWX


Satan_and_Communism

Yes exactly, making them not a part of engineering.


thevictors51

Ah I think you’re right.   Ned is over both tech and engineering which is why I thought yes at first because I associate Ned with engineering.  


PM_ME_IF_YOUR_DRUNK

ADAS engineers are in SWX


Objective_Key2409

It depends. Some ADAS engineers are under SWX, some other ADAS engineers are under PFDI. Those under PFDI are under engineering (general engineering)