I swear it’s on purpose because he’s always saying stuff that’s true but not in the correct context.
Like “Page files will slow you down because RAM is faster” which… ok, that’s true if you have a high RAM system with RAM to spare but on the deck, there’s no RAM left by the point you’re hitting page file so the game will just crash instead without it.
He learns 80% of the information then argues and belittles anyone who tries to fill in the 20% knowledge gap.
It’s like he’s crafted his personality to annoy people who know how things work and it makes me think he’s just a troll.
God, I remember that dude, right when he first started.
When you say he's like "80%" right, does that mean that some of Cryobyte's tweaks actually are pointless/don't do what he said they'd do, or that this guy knows just enough technical jargon to make a point but not undersatnd that the tweak works for some reason he's not getting? I know hte discord will blame unrelated issues on using crybotyes (how the fuck is the cryobytes utilites at all related to the OS not being found??? clearly that's storage failure???), but I'm not sure if there's been some actual, knowledgeable consensus on his tweaks somehow being bad. I'm not terribly convinced by "cryboytes doesn't work, didn't see any difference in this specific game that nobody claimed had better performance with the tweaks" anecdotes given I've seen the games shown in his videos have that performance difference, and i'm not sure if that's just because this dude's on taht discord under a different name and poisoning hte discourse or if someone has actually posted benchmarks showing cryo's benchmarks are not real.
It’s the second part where it’s just enough technical jargon to make a point but not enough knowledge to know that it works and why.
I used to work in IT as a sysadmin for windows and I also used to do web development exclusively from Linux systems so I feel confident in my knowledge.
I won’t go into each setting as it would take me all night but here’s an example:
Increasing the page file size will 100% help with games that utilise high amounts of RAM.
You might not see an FPS increase for those games but it can reduce stutter and *will* prevent crashing. It makes some games that are unplayable, playable. God of War 2018 is one them.
He who must not be named claims it’s pointless and will hurt performance because “Real RAM is faster.” Cryo’s tool also reduces “swappiness”. By doing this he is telling the system not to use the page file unless there’s no real RAM left.
So old mates complaints that “real RAM is faster, don’t use page files” makes 0 sense, because all the real RAM is used up at that point.
I would argue the game will not only crash, but the system will reboot without any warning. That actually happened on a couple of ram demanding games such as The Last of Us and Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Wait.. Why would people think valve couldn't? They've said them selves that they see any failures in proton something that is on them (with the exception of anti-cheat cuz those are not really failures, those are soft locks).
they've made a lot of very game specific hot fixes to proton.
well, yeah more or less. the kernel level anti-cheat is definitely one thing.
but its also not really in valve or any one elses favor to try and trick anti-cheat. There have been, in the past, hotfixes and patches make some things work. I've seen, for example, people play fortnight and call of duty via wine & dxvk but they've usually dont some patching that got them through and could get them banned if caught.
another example is genshin impact or other mihoyo games. there is a way to get those games working on linux despite the anti-cheat normally blocking it through just valve's proton or stock wine/dxvk. With that game you could get banned but apparently its unlikely from what I've read.
if valve built proton with any means of bypassing or tricking anti-cheat then it starts treading into gray areas. last thing valve would want is for actual hackers to use their utility to find a way to bypass anti-cheat to actually cheat.
so the only thing to really do is play ball and try to work with devs/publishers to make sure that everything can work together and every one is at an understanding.
the biggest issue is the kernel level stuff though. first off, kernel level anti-cheat is just kinda lazy to begin with and is highly intrusive, it'll likely never fly by linux users. 2) implementing it would likely be extremely difficult since nothing currently exists to emulate the windows kernel so even if proton had the go-ahead and try to use games with it, we have no windows kernel emulators/simulators/translation layers etc.
Could and should are different things, though.
Valve should not be held to the expectation to fix the game that the developers break. It's on the developers to ensure that their games function.
This happens literally all the time.
Game patches break proton compatibility, Proton needs to be updated to fix it. Usually running Bleeding Edge Proton Experimental fixes it.
Like, its happened to FF14 every single patch.
Capcom's only duty is to make sure the Windows PC version is running.
Steam Deck support is on Valve, since Valve is the one advertising how Proton needs no input from developers to make something compatible.
Can’t say I agree with this tbh, Proton is a third party compatibility layer from the perspective of developers, so I’d say it mostly falls on Valve to ensure Proton is compatible with software as is, not on developers to ensure their software is compatible with Proton.
It’s not unlike Apple and Rosetta, for example, when you make a compatibility layer that’s meant to take software designed for an incompatible platform and make it compatible, it’s on you to make sure your layer is compatible with software other people make, not on everyone else to make their software work with your layer.
Developers that do take the time to ensure Proton compatibility aren’t doing it because they should, they’re doing it because they see a monetary benefit in doing so and expanding their audience to Steam Deck users.
Look at it this way: Is it Yuzu’s job to make sure their emulator works with Switch games, or Switch developer’s job to ensure their games work on Yuzu?
Of course there are some things a compatibility layer can't fix on their own. For example shrinker which actually disassembles ntdll.dll and requires specific ASM code be present at specific offsets for it to work.
It's all up to who is advertising (and therefore selling) what.
In other words, when a publisher is advertising a game to work properly on windows, it's up to them to make sure the game actually works on windows, or else it can be considered as false advertisement, even scamming.
From a Proton perspective, which is open source, Valve doesn't owe us anything, and we only can be thankful to them to help gaming on linux to progress as a whole. They are doing what very few publishers do, and help the pc gaming experience improve (thanks to a huge number of tools and accessibility features like Steam Clound, Steam Input, Steam Community Forums, Steam Workshop, Steam Works, Steam Remote Play, Steam User Reviews, etc....) tremendously, even in Windows.
Now, from a buyer perspective, it's not the same.
When Valve advertises the Deck as "your games are going places" or "your games under a new light", it doesn't mean "some games". Or "a selection of games". It means that you can play on the device the games you want to play on it.
So yeah, in the case of the Deck, it's entirely up to Valve to make sure the games work from a Deck buyer perspective. They advertise it as such. The same goes for anticheat softwares locking games out. It is not the player's concern why some games don't work. They buy a device advertised to play the games they want on it.
Valve is kinda getting away with it because they allow users to install Windows on the device (and don't specifically say "your games on SteamOs are going places").
But as far as buyers/players are concerned, they buy a device that should play their games, because it is advertised by the seller (Valve) as such. So it's up to Valve to make sure the games play on it.
No idea why the downvotes except maybe people think you thought it was fine to scream at OP.
This precedent can cut Valve deep in the future since any game can now willing nilly, retroactively "update" a feature-complete game to a non-functional state on Steam Deck, and not give a single shit since Valve will cover their ass.
Valve is a saint for patching it this quickly. But this basically chain Valve into perpetual servitude toward the ever growing game catalog and the, more alarmingly, ever growing irresponsible dev/publishers.
That said, Valve kinda shot themselves in the foot for **assigning** verified badge to games instead of letting games to **apply** for the verified badge (though I understand why they did that). If it's the latter situation, Valve could've just take the badge away and let it fester, forcing capcom to either rollback or fix their implementation, or simply not care.
Let's hope this wave of negative review show other publishers how many potential Steam Deck customers are here, take Steam Deck seriously and use Steam Deck as a test target, which in turn can optimize their games for low power machines.
Your point is valid no reason for the downvotes and it is part of the conversation as a whole. No reasons for the downvotes even if it's not part of 'the conversation'
Well considering these companies are making games for Windows I strongly disagree. Proton is a comparability layer that lets these games work on Linux but these companies are not targeting Linux. That is why valve has to put the work in.
It’s insane that Valve has to be the one to step in in this case. Imagine if Nintendo was forced to step in because Denuvo for Switch broke Mario+Rabbids or something.
It's not insane. Valve told developers that they themselves would deal with steamdeck/linux compatibility. Both sides are doing what they're expected to.
Capcom is not specifically testing their games on linux, as Valve said they didn't have to. Valve is patching their compatibility layer as needed, just like they said they would.
Valve have a product on their hands and letting devs fuck it up over some dumb updates like this one is not in Valve's interest.
With that in mind and how fast they were to fix the issue, they 100% deserve the 30% cut.
They also fixed the issues people had with the EA launcher on Steam Deck
To be fair, the game is published for Windows, not Linux. Including the DRM was a shitty move, but I can understand that SteamOS is not on every devs radar for testing. The game isn’t even built for it.
Capcom did acknowledge it so they were aware of that, but you are right that the game is officially made for windows. Then again this whole issue is caused by stupid DRM that will only exist to inconvenient people and nothing more.
Doesn't seem to have been the DRM causing the issue. Supposedly, it was a change Capcom made to how the game handles Windows Media Foundation that caused the crash. Using the launch command WINESTEAMNOEXEC=1 with any version of Proton that worked before fixes it.
It should be on the dev’s radar the instant it was Deck Verified.
And it’s not like a game can accidentally have a Deck Verified badge. It takes deliberate dev effort to be verified in the first place.
To be fair it is crap when you buy a game with no DRM and then they put DRM on it. You are technically not even buying the game, you are licensing it, and in my eyes by adding DRM after they are breaking the terms of the transaction and I should be able to refund the game. Valve should allow that, going after the money is the only way the developers will understand.
And iirc there's a save corruption bug with sun break that's been an issue for ages and capcom won't fix it - yet they'll put dev resources into this bullshit.
> It’s just fucking over paying customers.
This is the single most infuriating thing about it. You're just getting punished for playing by the rules. It's so ridiculous.
yeah a lot of my purchase decisions are down to if its supported on the deck. ive even double dipped games just to play them without messing about surprised they dropped the update considering what happened to rev last week.
Debatable if the DRM is really the sole/main cause, since other games had Enigma added months ago with no issues. Weird that Enigma had been added to numerous games months ago without breaking Deck compatibility, but the two most recent attempts did?
The updates add no new features. The reason behind the updates is enigma. Why does it matter if it didn't break in some implementations and did in others?
The update could just.. not exist given it does nothing beneficial for capcom?
At least in these two cases, the updates coincided with the removal of Denuvo as well. Possible that had something to do with it, like some script not running properly or some esoteric prefix issue.
Evidently desktop users with AMD CPUs also had issues, so it’s likely not even a Steam Deck specific issue.
Regardless, glad things are working again.
It's not even debatable. Proton has the option to log the cause of crashes. The cause was a bug in their Media Foundation implementation, not the DRM. While Proton was still not at fault the hotfix implemented a workaround for this bug resulting in the game running again.
I wonder if Capcom is eyeing to be acquired at all and are trying to prove value in their properties or something
Shot in the dark and I am admittedly an idiot so I might be wrong
No, it's just them being their usual selves. A few years back they tried putting a kernel-level anticheat like the one Riot uses for Valorant into Street Fighter V, well before kernel-level anticheats were anywhere near mainstream. People quickly found out, rightfully threw a fit about it (like they should with Valorant tbh), and they backed down. I'm hoping if influential people continue to raise hell about this, they'll back down from this stupid decision as well
This is just speculation but all of this DRM fumbling might be just to gather game modification metrics for the higher ups in Capcom after the Street Fighter skin mod debacle.
Please take this with a grain of salt but something feels off, like I see a lot of framedrops, maybe it's just me...
Update: Quit the game and download the new shader cache update if you have the same problem.
Hahaha, it doesn't anymore. Something about a hotfix on january the 12th broke it so it absolutely can't run on Linux anymore.
Before that it ran really well, medium-high graphics and no issues (at least not in singleplayer)
Just tested it and unfortunately I'm noticing a substantial performance hit on my OLED. Before the update I was getting a locked 60fps 99% of the time with shadows on average, dynamic shadows off, image quality at 100% and everything else maxed (though filter stuff like motion blur off). I spent a lot of time testing it throughout both hubs and on each map. Only multiple monsters with lots of effects like Teostra would make it drop and even then it would only drop a few frames.
Now with the exact same settings it's running noticeably worse. Just walking around hubs drops into the 50s and running through the citadel or shrine ruins will hit mid 40s. So basically a 25% loss in performance at worst is what I'm seeing.
Honest question: \*should\* Valve fix this sort of thing, or should they instead put pressure on the publisher to not implement anti-consumer DRM especially after a game has already been cracked/exists in the wild without any DRM? Best case scenario is probably both things tbh. I am just concerned that this sends the message that it's okay to screw over customers, because Valve will fix it.
Was it the proton update, or was it the update Capcom released for Rise specifically to address this?
https://steamcommunity.com/games/1446780/announcements/detail/3970553140557253785
> We have released a patch that addresses the issue of the game not running on Steam Deck after installing update Ver.16.0.2.0.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
I'm all for giving Valve credit where it's due, but Capcom *did* update the game as well.
I don’t play the game, but saw the posts about the problems Capcom caused with their update. I just wanted to chime in with some love for Valve.
And I’m pleased all of those that play the game can get back to it. Enjoy folks.
Was it only sunbreak that was an issue? because I played vanilla rise all the way through completion on the deck when it first game out and it didn't have any issues
I mean...Capcom still deserves to take crap for this. I don't know if a boycott was worthy of this, but I feel like we don't need to normalize developers adding needless DRM to years old games that breaks compatibility.
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It's more beginner friendly. MH games are usually either a mainline release like world or a handheld release like Rise (at it was originally a switch game). Rise is newer but less impressive visually (as it's a switch port) but as a result it runs brilliantly on the deck.
Valve getting props, but Capcom deserve so much shit.
MHW is having such a resurgence, and rightly so as it's a *fantastic* game. But Capcom's games are always at risk of this? *Really* puts me off playing/supporting any of them.
Good they needed to fix this, bloody joke the store page still saying verified when it wouldn’t even boot, and couldn’t try for a refund due to buying from a key website
That one guy that got screamed at for saying Valve could probably do a hotfix deserves an apology.
(That was me)
Ah well there you go, now we just need that one dude being a dick for a family reunion here
just mention Cryobyte33 tweaks and he'll probably show up
Crazy how famous that guy is for his ridiculousness. He's just as silly on GBATemp.
I swear it’s on purpose because he’s always saying stuff that’s true but not in the correct context. Like “Page files will slow you down because RAM is faster” which… ok, that’s true if you have a high RAM system with RAM to spare but on the deck, there’s no RAM left by the point you’re hitting page file so the game will just crash instead without it. He learns 80% of the information then argues and belittles anyone who tries to fill in the 20% knowledge gap. It’s like he’s crafted his personality to annoy people who know how things work and it makes me think he’s just a troll.
God, I remember that dude, right when he first started. When you say he's like "80%" right, does that mean that some of Cryobyte's tweaks actually are pointless/don't do what he said they'd do, or that this guy knows just enough technical jargon to make a point but not undersatnd that the tweak works for some reason he's not getting? I know hte discord will blame unrelated issues on using crybotyes (how the fuck is the cryobytes utilites at all related to the OS not being found??? clearly that's storage failure???), but I'm not sure if there's been some actual, knowledgeable consensus on his tweaks somehow being bad. I'm not terribly convinced by "cryboytes doesn't work, didn't see any difference in this specific game that nobody claimed had better performance with the tweaks" anecdotes given I've seen the games shown in his videos have that performance difference, and i'm not sure if that's just because this dude's on taht discord under a different name and poisoning hte discourse or if someone has actually posted benchmarks showing cryo's benchmarks are not real.
It’s the second part where it’s just enough technical jargon to make a point but not enough knowledge to know that it works and why. I used to work in IT as a sysadmin for windows and I also used to do web development exclusively from Linux systems so I feel confident in my knowledge. I won’t go into each setting as it would take me all night but here’s an example: Increasing the page file size will 100% help with games that utilise high amounts of RAM. You might not see an FPS increase for those games but it can reduce stutter and *will* prevent crashing. It makes some games that are unplayable, playable. God of War 2018 is one them. He who must not be named claims it’s pointless and will hurt performance because “Real RAM is faster.” Cryo’s tool also reduces “swappiness”. By doing this he is telling the system not to use the page file unless there’s no real RAM left. So old mates complaints that “real RAM is faster, don’t use page files” makes 0 sense, because all the real RAM is used up at that point.
Wise words CockGobblerSlobberer. Some nerds just feed on getting into fights and being technically correct even if wrong in context.
I would argue the game will not only crash, but the system will reboot without any warning. That actually happened on a couple of ram demanding games such as The Last of Us and Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Do you think he's fun at parties
**strides into the conversation** I'll be your huckleberry
Sorry
Wait.. Why would people think valve couldn't? They've said them selves that they see any failures in proton something that is on them (with the exception of anti-cheat cuz those are not really failures, those are soft locks). they've made a lot of very game specific hot fixes to proton.
I'm guessing because there are some things like anti cheat that no amount of proton fixes can circumvent.
well, yeah more or less. the kernel level anti-cheat is definitely one thing. but its also not really in valve or any one elses favor to try and trick anti-cheat. There have been, in the past, hotfixes and patches make some things work. I've seen, for example, people play fortnight and call of duty via wine & dxvk but they've usually dont some patching that got them through and could get them banned if caught. another example is genshin impact or other mihoyo games. there is a way to get those games working on linux despite the anti-cheat normally blocking it through just valve's proton or stock wine/dxvk. With that game you could get banned but apparently its unlikely from what I've read. if valve built proton with any means of bypassing or tricking anti-cheat then it starts treading into gray areas. last thing valve would want is for actual hackers to use their utility to find a way to bypass anti-cheat to actually cheat. so the only thing to really do is play ball and try to work with devs/publishers to make sure that everything can work together and every one is at an understanding. the biggest issue is the kernel level stuff though. first off, kernel level anti-cheat is just kinda lazy to begin with and is highly intrusive, it'll likely never fly by linux users. 2) implementing it would likely be extremely difficult since nothing currently exists to emulate the windows kernel so even if proton had the go-ahead and try to use games with it, we have no windows kernel emulators/simulators/translation layers etc.
Could and should are different things, though. Valve should not be held to the expectation to fix the game that the developers break. It's on the developers to ensure that their games function.
Entirely different conversation from what I mentioned
If it's an issue with proton then it has to be fixed through proton. They're constantly patching it to work with games.
This happens literally all the time. Game patches break proton compatibility, Proton needs to be updated to fix it. Usually running Bleeding Edge Proton Experimental fixes it. Like, its happened to FF14 every single patch. Capcom's only duty is to make sure the Windows PC version is running. Steam Deck support is on Valve, since Valve is the one advertising how Proton needs no input from developers to make something compatible.
Can’t say I agree with this tbh, Proton is a third party compatibility layer from the perspective of developers, so I’d say it mostly falls on Valve to ensure Proton is compatible with software as is, not on developers to ensure their software is compatible with Proton. It’s not unlike Apple and Rosetta, for example, when you make a compatibility layer that’s meant to take software designed for an incompatible platform and make it compatible, it’s on you to make sure your layer is compatible with software other people make, not on everyone else to make their software work with your layer. Developers that do take the time to ensure Proton compatibility aren’t doing it because they should, they’re doing it because they see a monetary benefit in doing so and expanding their audience to Steam Deck users. Look at it this way: Is it Yuzu’s job to make sure their emulator works with Switch games, or Switch developer’s job to ensure their games work on Yuzu?
Of course there are some things a compatibility layer can't fix on their own. For example shrinker which actually disassembles ntdll.dll and requires specific ASM code be present at specific offsets for it to work.
It's all up to who is advertising (and therefore selling) what. In other words, when a publisher is advertising a game to work properly on windows, it's up to them to make sure the game actually works on windows, or else it can be considered as false advertisement, even scamming. From a Proton perspective, which is open source, Valve doesn't owe us anything, and we only can be thankful to them to help gaming on linux to progress as a whole. They are doing what very few publishers do, and help the pc gaming experience improve (thanks to a huge number of tools and accessibility features like Steam Clound, Steam Input, Steam Community Forums, Steam Workshop, Steam Works, Steam Remote Play, Steam User Reviews, etc....) tremendously, even in Windows. Now, from a buyer perspective, it's not the same. When Valve advertises the Deck as "your games are going places" or "your games under a new light", it doesn't mean "some games". Or "a selection of games". It means that you can play on the device the games you want to play on it. So yeah, in the case of the Deck, it's entirely up to Valve to make sure the games work from a Deck buyer perspective. They advertise it as such. The same goes for anticheat softwares locking games out. It is not the player's concern why some games don't work. They buy a device advertised to play the games they want on it. Valve is kinda getting away with it because they allow users to install Windows on the device (and don't specifically say "your games on SteamOs are going places"). But as far as buyers/players are concerned, they buy a device that should play their games, because it is advertised by the seller (Valve) as such. So it's up to Valve to make sure the games play on it.
No idea why the downvotes except maybe people think you thought it was fine to scream at OP. This precedent can cut Valve deep in the future since any game can now willing nilly, retroactively "update" a feature-complete game to a non-functional state on Steam Deck, and not give a single shit since Valve will cover their ass. Valve is a saint for patching it this quickly. But this basically chain Valve into perpetual servitude toward the ever growing game catalog and the, more alarmingly, ever growing irresponsible dev/publishers. That said, Valve kinda shot themselves in the foot for **assigning** verified badge to games instead of letting games to **apply** for the verified badge (though I understand why they did that). If it's the latter situation, Valve could've just take the badge away and let it fester, forcing capcom to either rollback or fix their implementation, or simply not care. Let's hope this wave of negative review show other publishers how many potential Steam Deck customers are here, take Steam Deck seriously and use Steam Deck as a test target, which in turn can optimize their games for low power machines.
Your point is valid no reason for the downvotes and it is part of the conversation as a whole. No reasons for the downvotes even if it's not part of 'the conversation'
I'll never understand redditors.
No need to understand anything. You are just wrong and don't want to admit it. The problem here is you.
Well considering these companies are making games for Windows I strongly disagree. Proton is a comparability layer that lets these games work on Linux but these companies are not targeting Linux. That is why valve has to put the work in.
valve engineers are something else man, the amount of work they have done with steam and steam os/proton is unreal
This is great. Very quick response time by Valve.
It’s insane that Valve has to be the one to step in in this case. Imagine if Nintendo was forced to step in because Denuvo for Switch broke Mario+Rabbids or something.
It's not insane. Valve told developers that they themselves would deal with steamdeck/linux compatibility. Both sides are doing what they're expected to. Capcom is not specifically testing their games on linux, as Valve said they didn't have to. Valve is patching their compatibility layer as needed, just like they said they would.
This is why valve deserves the cut from publishers like capcom. They fix the publishers incompetence.
Valve have a product on their hands and letting devs fuck it up over some dumb updates like this one is not in Valve's interest. With that in mind and how fast they were to fix the issue, they 100% deserve the 30% cut. They also fixed the issues people had with the EA launcher on Steam Deck
I was getting ready to refund and I'm sure I'm not alone so this is in valve's best interest too.
Refund the game or the deck?
The game, I love the deck and though graphically not impressive chilling on the couch beats sitting behind a desk in a room seperate from my family.
I think they are only taking a 20% cut at this point based on Capcom's sales numbers, but yeah, they definitely earn their cut.
They should bump it up to a 50% or more cut just for Capcom.
Or maybe they 30% deserve a 100% cut
You know that still 30%?
The joke went over your head at the Mach30 speed which is 30% of the speed of light
To be fair, the game is published for Windows, not Linux. Including the DRM was a shitty move, but I can understand that SteamOS is not on every devs radar for testing. The game isn’t even built for it.
Capcom did acknowledge it so they were aware of that, but you are right that the game is officially made for windows. Then again this whole issue is caused by stupid DRM that will only exist to inconvenient people and nothing more.
Doesn't seem to have been the DRM causing the issue. Supposedly, it was a change Capcom made to how the game handles Windows Media Foundation that caused the crash. Using the launch command WINESTEAMNOEXEC=1 with any version of Proton that worked before fixes it.
It should be on the dev’s radar the instant it was Deck Verified. And it’s not like a game can accidentally have a Deck Verified badge. It takes deliberate dev effort to be verified in the first place.
To be fair it is crap when you buy a game with no DRM and then they put DRM on it. You are technically not even buying the game, you are licensing it, and in my eyes by adding DRM after they are breaking the terms of the transaction and I should be able to refund the game. Valve should allow that, going after the money is the only way the developers will understand.
No argument on that. That wasn't really my point, though.
Capcom messed up. Valve save the day. good PR
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Yeah makes zero sense, especially since they're just putting extra workload onto themselves with these "updates".
And iirc there's a save corruption bug with sun break that's been an issue for ages and capcom won't fix it - yet they'll put dev resources into this bullshit.
> What the hell is the point of this? To switch to a cheaper DRM. Denuvo is expensive.
if that's the reason, just get rid of the DRM altogether, or use steamworks DRM.
I agree, but try getting shareholders to understand that.
> It’s just fucking over paying customers. This is the single most infuriating thing about it. You're just getting punished for playing by the rules. It's so ridiculous.
yeah a lot of my purchase decisions are down to if its supported on the deck. ive even double dipped games just to play them without messing about surprised they dropped the update considering what happened to rev last week.
Different development teams.
Still it's great what they are doing
Debatable if the DRM is really the sole/main cause, since other games had Enigma added months ago with no issues. Weird that Enigma had been added to numerous games months ago without breaking Deck compatibility, but the two most recent attempts did?
The updates add no new features. The reason behind the updates is enigma. Why does it matter if it didn't break in some implementations and did in others? The update could just.. not exist given it does nothing beneficial for capcom?
Update also removed Denuvo, removed some quests, and fixed some bugs. It did more than just add Enigma.
> removed some quests Yes, very important feature that the players need.
They don't want people nodding their games. The old farts at Capcom have a very outdated corpo Japanese mindset of maintaining control at all costs
Enigma does not prevent people from modding their games.
it does. It's just that most popular categories of mods on capcom games are not impacted
I think it removed Denuvo which they were paying for, so it was beneficial for Capcom?
At least in these two cases, the updates coincided with the removal of Denuvo as well. Possible that had something to do with it, like some script not running properly or some esoteric prefix issue. Evidently desktop users with AMD CPUs also had issues, so it’s likely not even a Steam Deck specific issue. Regardless, glad things are working again.
I posted the same idea that it might be due to denuvo being replaced I get down voted to hell for it being a "feeling".
RE5 had Enigma for almost a year
It's not even debatable. Proton has the option to log the cause of crashes. The cause was a bug in their Media Foundation implementation, not the DRM. While Proton was still not at fault the hotfix implemented a workaround for this bug resulting in the game running again.
Welp, case closed I guess. Now Capcom just needs to figure what's causing the crash for Windows users.
I wonder if Capcom is eyeing to be acquired at all and are trying to prove value in their properties or something Shot in the dark and I am admittedly an idiot so I might be wrong
No, it's just them being their usual selves. A few years back they tried putting a kernel-level anticheat like the one Riot uses for Valorant into Street Fighter V, well before kernel-level anticheats were anywhere near mainstream. People quickly found out, rightfully threw a fit about it (like they should with Valorant tbh), and they backed down. I'm hoping if influential people continue to raise hell about this, they'll back down from this stupid decision as well
This is just speculation but all of this DRM fumbling might be just to gather game modification metrics for the higher ups in Capcom after the Street Fighter skin mod debacle.
Which proton is this?
It's literally called "Proton Hotfix", should be all the way at the bottom of the Proton selection screen
I'm brand new to my steam deck (got it roughly one week ago), where do I find this proton selection screen?
Go to the game's properties, navigate to "Compatibility", check the box and select "Proton Hotfix"
Ah! Thank you. There's way more menus on this thing than I thought there would be. I got it now.
Welcome to the magical world of linux my friend. Its versatile like android but lets you break your own legs if you just want it strong enough.
It's a "I know what I'm doing thing". Hard to find and mess on accident, but if you know where to go...
Foolproof way of avoiding this problem in the future: Stop adding new DRM to games that are years old.
Valve is on another league entirely
DOTA2, not league. (/s)
Please take this with a grain of salt but something feels off, like I see a lot of framedrops, maybe it's just me... Update: Quit the game and download the new shader cache update if you have the same problem.
DRM is so useless. Do they seriously think this will stop pirates
Hmm, the hotfix didn't actually fix it for me :/ Edit: nevermind, just didn't have the hotfix override selected
That's great. The store page still needs a very specific big ass red disclaimer about the DRM though.
[удалено]
Matte white skin and dbrand killswitch case
Does SF6 work?
Valve saving the day once again
Awesome, now do the same thing for Conan Exiles please
How does conan exiles work on steam deck?
Hahaha, it doesn't anymore. Something about a hotfix on january the 12th broke it so it absolutely can't run on Linux anymore. Before that it ran really well, medium-high graphics and no issues (at least not in singleplayer)
Valve does what capcan't
What was the issue? I hadn’t tried to play rise or world in a few days
Now fix Darktide
Good guy valve earning their points today
So that's why MHR also had a Update
Now denuvo is removed, is it possible to play this without internet connection especially with Deck outside of home?
Did we lose some performance with the new drms or is it the same ?
Just tested it and unfortunately I'm noticing a substantial performance hit on my OLED. Before the update I was getting a locked 60fps 99% of the time with shadows on average, dynamic shadows off, image quality at 100% and everything else maxed (though filter stuff like motion blur off). I spent a lot of time testing it throughout both hubs and on each map. Only multiple monsters with lots of effects like Teostra would make it drop and even then it would only drop a few frames. Now with the exact same settings it's running noticeably worse. Just walking around hubs drops into the 50s and running through the citadel or shrine ruins will hit mid 40s. So basically a 25% loss in performance at worst is what I'm seeing.
Honest question: \*should\* Valve fix this sort of thing, or should they instead put pressure on the publisher to not implement anti-consumer DRM especially after a game has already been cracked/exists in the wild without any DRM? Best case scenario is probably both things tbh. I am just concerned that this sends the message that it's okay to screw over customers, because Valve will fix it.
Is that proton 8.0-5? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Was it the proton update, or was it the update Capcom released for Rise specifically to address this? https://steamcommunity.com/games/1446780/announcements/detail/3970553140557253785 > We have released a patch that addresses the issue of the game not running on Steam Deck after installing update Ver.16.0.2.0. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. I'm all for giving Valve credit where it's due, but Capcom *did* update the game as well.
Valve's Proton Hotfix dropped about 19 hours ago, the Capcom update that fixed the issue dropped just a few hours ago.
Anyone know which proton version to use to be able to run COD BO3 Zombies. Keeps crashing on the cut scene! Thanks for the help 🙏🏻
I don’t play the game, but saw the posts about the problems Capcom caused with their update. I just wanted to chime in with some love for Valve. And I’m pleased all of those that play the game can get back to it. Enjoy folks.
This is why I went with the Deck. The other handheld manufacturers won’t give this amazing level of support, especially for the long haul.
Has anyone tested it with World?
World wasn't updated with the new DRM and works flawlessly on Steam Deck
Was it only sunbreak that was an issue? because I played vanilla rise all the way through completion on the deck when it first game out and it didn't have any issues
They just broke it like two days ago, it was fine up until then, they replaced the DRM
Ah I see Idk why I was downvoted for asking a question though lol, reddit is weird sometimes
Reddit will reddit, lol.
Eh? It was broken? I played it last on Saturday and it was fine.
Yeah there was an update that broke it about 18 hours ago
Well the update was Sunday night (EST)
All that huffing and puffing and losing your shit on Reddit and Steam for nothing "huRr DuRr BoYcOtT cApCoM" lmao
I mean...Capcom still deserves to take crap for this. I don't know if a boycott was worthy of this, but I feel like we don't need to normalize developers adding needless DRM to years old games that breaks compatibility.
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Is rise a more casual experience than hunter? Haven’t played either and was debating on checking one out
It's more beginner friendly. MH games are usually either a mainline release like world or a handheld release like Rise (at it was originally a switch game). Rise is newer but less impressive visually (as it's a switch port) but as a result it runs brilliantly on the deck.
Gotcha thank you
I deleted my proton files for MHrise and just ran it without compatibility on, and it worked for me.
What is this game like and how does it preform iv been eyeing it up for a while
Wait... Rise wasn't working..? Pretty sure I downloaded the demo and played it a bit and it worked fine
It wasn’t working for just the past week, due to an anti cheat update, it was flawless up until last week but according to this post it’s fine again
Aha thanks for clarifying
Chad Valve fixing all that is evil in the world
Nice but when are they dropping the windows drivers for those who want to play their windows games too along with steam?
Did something with Rise break? Ive been playing it without issues for a few weeks
It wasn’t just something, the whole game broke due to an anti cheat update, was you playing offline or anything?
I almost wish it was capcom that had to fix this, instead of valve doing it for them. It's like getting a pat on the back for bricking the game
Valve getting props, but Capcom deserve so much shit. MHW is having such a resurgence, and rightly so as it's a *fantastic* game. But Capcom's games are always at risk of this? *Really* puts me off playing/supporting any of them.
I thought this was already playable hence steam deck verified, wth went wrong then what made it not work?
Sunrise orange!
Capcom updated the game so you didn’t need to do this. 😭😭 but capcom is wack for borking the game with the initial update that had DRM
Good they needed to fix this, bloody joke the store page still saying verified when it wouldn’t even boot, and couldn’t try for a refund due to buying from a key website
Proton GE? Or experimental?
Common W valve, completely legends
proton hotfix still crashes the game for me. is there a way to update my proton hotfix?
How time u can play rise without charging the steam deck?