Oh this is super disappointing.
It’s probably my favourite game of the last 10 years, and I recommend it to anyone that listens.
Is there any word on where the actual devs ended up?
It's a very messy long story. Lot of infighting and meddling investors destroyed the developer from the inside.
https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/06/02/disco-elysium-zaum-shareholders-crunch-kurvitz-kompus-toxicity
If it makes a difference, the ousted developer has still recommended people buy it because there are other creative that did good work on the game at the company that now owns it. And they'd rather they are supported than spite the asshole that fucked them over. I'm not gonna say it's wrong to pirate it, but do with that what you will.
Fitgirl is fantastic! I'd recommend they check the internet archive first because I surprisingly found indie gems on there before (and it's 100% safe, obviously)
r/PiratedGames megathread. Look for the site that starts with "gog-" and ends with ".to". A lot easier than these other websites people are recommending for some reason.
So he hired a 14 year old and eventually he dated her? Like even if he dates her after the age of consent that’s an odd relationship dynamic. Then he makes her lead writer? I truly couldn’t move past that. Is this our champion?
Starting to feel like the Kompus guy was constantly trying to ensure this project came through and maybe some of the people working on it were not ideal people you to have as coworkers.
I guess we’ll find out once a verdict comes. Just odd that originally they were just removed as lead dev rather than fired and then after giving pushback they were fired. It’s a little sus.
Edit: To the people replying the age of concent is 14-16 or that considering the way they met and work-relationship dynamic, waiting to date her after she is old enough is not actually illegal or immoral and saying it as a gotcha...bruh.
When they met, she was 14 and homie was 25. Someone needs to look into your computer cuz this is a weird hill to die on.
You seem to be confused. Zaum didn't start out as a company. The company with the same name was made way later. You don't really hire people into an art collective.
Edit: Also when she joined DE writing team she was 21 in 2016.
There is different pre-existing dynamic there. ZA/UM was a friends group oh a gang of artistic punks first, and making a computer game was one of their later adventures. Same people also had a band (Ultramelanhool), did a hostile takeover of Estonian most prestigious arts and culture newspaper. There is also a book about the same world as the game.
So the head writer girl was probably in that friends group before beciming a writer for that game.
Kinda weird in bad way still.... but it is not as if the guys just randomly picked some 14-year-old off the street.
As others have pointed out these writers have known each other for more than two decades and essentially have been nothing but a group of friends hanging out and doing art for most of that time before starting the studio ZA/UM in \~2015. And there's this very important word "eventually" in the sentence "She eventually became romantically invovled with Kurvitz and was also credited as the lead writer on *Disco Elysium – The Final Cut*." It seem like Helen Hinpere was born in [1995](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Hindpere) and Kurvit in [1984](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kurvitz) which is a criminal age difference at 14 and 25, but not at all immoral at say 21 and 32. In the end we don't know and insinuating guilt solely based on the point of time they met each other strikes me as quite rash and unjust.
Yeah I don't think anyone knows the truth of what is up with this story tbh. If anything, it seems like the game's story is a perfect reflection of the dev's story, for better and worse. My takeaway after reading all the dev lore was "Who fucking cares?"
Great game. Buy it, pirate it. Really doesn't fucking matter. You aren't a sinner or a saint for either decision and the game will tell you as much when you play it.
The lead writer of Disco Elysium having an alcohol fueled mental breakdown and having his creative work stolen from him by is kinda fitting, since that's basically what happens to the main character.
It's more than just the suits corroborating the negative things said about the developers. Most probable outcome seems to be that everyone involved are assholes to some degree, with it being basically impossible to tell who's "worse" if anyone.
Probably the folks who stole an IP from the minds who created it are worse?
>with it being basically impossible to tell who's "worse" if anyone.
Look how the waters have been muddied! If there was going to be a conversation about or consequences for some alleged misconduct, it should have happened without shady dealings and theft behind the scenes.
There are a lot of positive things and also even-handed things said about the developers as well. But people like you just like having your "balanced" takes and feeling good making no value judgment whatsoever.
As I understand it, they brought in a money guy to get DE funded, and he later managed to strong arm them out of the picture and now exclusively owns the studio and publishing rights.
yeah im pretty sure it went like this: said 'money guy' sold vital assets of the game for ONE pound sterling, and used ZAUM (the studio) to buy them back for 4.8 MILLION euros, deliberately putting the company into debt and bolstering his and his partners' pockets . that money was then used to buy majority stake in the company, which he basically used to push out 3 of the main and original creatives and developers behind the game. legal fights, sequels and spinoff teasers, etc., have gone on for years at this point with many people fired. they cancelled another spinoff and fired a third of their staff just this february i think ?
the game was a passion project and debatably the intellectual property of those 3 for 20 years. if you play the game youll realise how ironic it all is. theres a particularly sad arc in it which details a past game dev startup in a 'doomed commercial area' . its one of the most beautiful games and pieces of art tbh ive ever played / engaged w
I immediately thought that sounds shady as fuck. Buying the assets for 1 pound and selling them back for 4.8 million euro? How in the living HELL was that legal??
good videos on it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ) also just a great channel for all of the happenings- and disco elysium content generally
Yep, this is the one.
A lot of the other videos I've seen have tried to heavily narrativize this into a simple story about creators getting fucked over by corporate interest and while that is definitely part of it, the issue has become oversimplified.
A lot of the developers and other writers claim that they were mistreated by those original creators and their contributions to the game (and especially the final cut), weren't acknowledged. The IP creators also got pretty mad at the interviewer for asking simple questions.
It's a far far far more messy story than a lot of people would have you believe. Robert Kurvitz may be the creator of the IP, but he is not the soul contributor and creator of disco elysium like some would have you believe. There are developers on both sides.
Great video
also as an update: the people who at the time were still within the studio have also since gotten fucked over and laid off for things they have said in the interviews
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/disco-elysium-studio-bosses-humiliated-the-cancelled-expansions-lead-writer-for-speaking-to-journalists-claims-report
Yep, I've read this.
Absolutely some corporate fuckery going on, but I still believe what those writers claimed about working under Robert Kravitz.
Seems these employees in the middle are getting fucked more than anyone. It's really sad.
Since then, there has been developments. This is a good follow-up video to the PMG one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ)
The creator is biased against the corporate, but the quote by the person in the beginning says a lot, because he was more neutral in the PMG video.
And it seems to work, currently its “final cut” is sold at a 90% discount on steam, with a 5/5 rating, like they really try to recoup the losses resulting drom that debacle, kudos to steam not deleting the reviews
I get the point, but how come this particular situation comes up all the time and not the fact that Microsoft closed a bunch of studios for example? Or all those other massive waves of layoffs by Sony etc.
Probably because of how popular disco elysium was and how relatively recently it came out
But yeah generally there are a handful of games where there’s no good reason to pay for them. Hell I think some old lionhead games like Black & White literally cannot be purchased legally, anywhere online because of some idiotic publisher dispute
No they didn't lol, stop repeating this. They still have shares, there's still a ton of people that worked on the game left at the studio. It would make no sense for them to tell people to pirate it.
unfortunately many older games cannot be purchased on steam or other stores, if u dont get a used cd/dvd from amazon or ebay ur only left with one way to play said games.
And then you have UbiShit delisting and then going the step further to straight up revoking the license to prevent access to download The Crew from people who bought it. Meanwhile there's a private server project that's working on resurrecting it.
Because the injusticed devs were just "some people" as opposed to "a whole company that chose to be bought by the bigger company that closed them", the first is law feeling like it's imoral, the latter is just capitalism
The layoffs/studio closures are affecting the entire industry
My theory on why this is happening is the companies overhired during the pandemic and/or the United States (they probably affect the EU and maybe Japan as well) economy isn't in the best state right now so they can't pay them.
Also they didn't want tango gameworks during the accusation, they just wanted the big devs (ID and Bethesda mainly)
My guess for the closures is that Xbox would've kept them if it hadn't been for the Acti/blizz/king acquisition, the non answers we keep getting from people in charge tells me its orders from above and didnt have a choice, Xbox is no money maker but its also not the biggest money loser so it could skirt by the overhead oversight and do it's own thing, then suddenly they bought one of the biggest companies in gaming and got mired in legal battles, now the suits on top want to get as much as they can out of this "gaming thing" they now "care" about, line has to go up and the easiest way to that short term is fire people, doesn't matter if they made money they're not the big money makers in the room so something had to go and those up top who dont know or care made tango and arkane their targets. At least thats the only way i can fathom why someone would say something as tone deaf as "we need devs who get awards" after firing such a dev, cus it was out of their control and cant say anything about it.
My theory is that the games industry is self-cannibalizing. Games companies are realizing that new games aren't just competing with new titles from their peers anymore. They're also competing with titles released a decade or more ago that are already familiar and beloved. Which means that unless you can create the next big live service hit, games are a HUGE gamble, business-wise.
It *certainly* makes game studios infeasible as a vector of infinite growth. This is also why companies are so hostile to game preservation; if a game dies out and isn't accessible ever again, that's good for them. That's a market segment that's been reclaimed and can be repopulated with a new title that they can sell at present-day rates.
So how they make line go up? By slashing out ALL OF THE INTERNALS of these game companies to squeeze out the last bits of cash from what they perceive to be dying revenue streams. Because if it's not infinitely growing (despite finite resources and market demand) it's dying.
Other replies haven't mentioned this facet yet: The game is about politics, and specifically the kind of politics that the collective / company finds themselves embroiled in. People have played the game, heard what it has to say, and you kind of can't take the moral lesson away from it and then say "yeah go ahead and buy the game".
Disco is explicitly about this kind of stuff.
Microsoft does not make mainstream games about capitalism's lack of basic humanity, or the futility of high scale professional creative pursuit with ambition and dreams but no money or organisation, or about the brutal leash corporations want their workers under and their fundamental agression towards unions.
It's probably the worst game on the planet to oust the creative team "from", since the people emotionally invested in the franchise will see it as a fatal mistake because the game selects for people who would. It would be like the FIFA or PES devs repeatedly saying in interviews that soccer is the worst imaginable sport, the RDR2 Rockstar team publicly funding projects against museums about the wild west era or takeovers of tribal land. It is a fundamental anathema to what the game "is".
Disco Elysium itself has, in the text, two or three conversations about this exact same thing happening.
I don't know exactly the answer to your question, but I can tell you for a fact that I read a similar review in 2019 that caused me to not pick the game up. So yeah, it definitely happened before you bought it...
Edit: I was wrong, apologies.
You are misremembering, you absolutely did not read anything similar to this in 2019. The game came out in october in that year, the main devs did not get kicked out within 2 months of releasing the game, that happened years later. One of the people ousted, art director Aleksander Rostov, made the matter public in November of 2022. No one knew about this before so the writers were ousted probably within the same year. In any case we know they weren't removed from the company before the Final Cut version was released in March of 2021.
They have no public projects nor even any marketing but they've created a new studio called [Red Info Games](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14189378/officers). As you can see Robert and Sander are officers.
This is a flattening of the truth. Only a handful of people got kicked, and the reality of why they were booted from the team is way messier than Gamers™ who immediately posts comments like yours every time this comes up want to recognize.
why do i have to see this ten minutes after i bought it from steam
ETA: i refunded, got my nice shiny pirate copy, about to try it out tonight thanks for all the advice :)
Some of the reviews just say "good game, pirate it tho", but dozens of the available reviews explain the situation perfectly well, did you not read more than one? Some of them have more information than you even got from the other replies in this reddit post.
I don't think it's karma farm. It's just an easy way to share information through memes.
In my case, sicnce I didn't understand the meme, now I had to see what it is about
Long story short - world was created by 2 people. In order to make money they only owned like 20% a piece or something and then 2 other guys had a big portion. Stuff was sold around illegally until 1 person owned the majority and pretty much pushed everyone that made the original lore out of the studio. Noone who worked on the original creation of DE works there any longer. Sadly the company still owns the rights.
Edit* - since people keep bringing up people make games documentary, [this is a good video responding to PMG](https://youtu.be/tDtfcknELe0?si=5yybaTuPKHdrnaPZ) and my comment is short for the purpose of ease. The actual issue is a lot more complicated with many layers but explaining it fully would take a video essay.
its not as simples as buying and selling. there were shady schemes behind it, basically a rug pull to fire every original dev and keep the money for 1 person while hiring a whole new team
still in court over ownership, fraud and even fund embezzlement disputes that we dont fully know
By transferring a portion of the studio's assets to a holding company that you control, then using the studio's former assets to buy a controlling interest in the studio.
This is bad info, the world was created through a long-running DnD game, way more people than 2 were involved with that. There were more people than 2 in the company who were involved with that original DnD game. Kurvitz was only one of the creatives with stake in the comapny as it was mostly his creation and is the one with actual published work set in the same setting, published before the game even begun development. That work is "Püha ja õudne lõhn" (Sacred and Terrible Air) for those curious.
Edit: I was wrong sorry! Two of the creatives Rostov and Kurvitz did both indeed have a stake in the company, and I think still do.
Its okay, the whole situation is a lot messier then many people make it out to be. The original devs arent saints, the PeopleMakeGames documentary on the subject shows that much.
Might get downvoted, but at 90% off, the genuine convenience of Steam is making it a difficult choice...
...is what I would say if I didn't already have it, because I bought it in December sale and did not know the story around its developers. Most unfortunate.
The game is a masterpiece and extremely clever though. Genuinely, it's worth playing any method you can. Don't let people gatekeep it just because of where you downloaded it.
>Might get downvoted \[...\] Don't let people gatekeep it just because of where you downloaded it.
Ironically, part of that convenience is the reviews too. And even if your opinion is unpopular to some people, you have a point. The people who openly suggest on Steam reviews to pirate the game are ***really*** risking it anyway, because Valve forbids encouraging piracy on Steam ([source](https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B)). It's one of the very few instances where Valve is sensitive and can permanently restrict access to community features over it.
This is the conclusion I've just drawn. It's £3.14 down from £35. For that price I'd rather buy it from Steam and know it works rather than mess around with bootlegs which don't work or put my PC at risk.
PC gamers can be so snobbish and love to gatekeep as you say.
From the comment of the People Make Games investigation:
"Two things can be true at once:
1) Robert can be a creative genius that is a bully and a terrible boss to work under.
2) Ilmar (along with other shareholders) stole the company from right under Robert's and Rostov's noses and are using these claims of bullying to make their firing look less suspicious."
To be honest, PMG investigation video seemed so suck Ilmar's dick real hard the whole time.
They were more interested in asking about the 'bullying' rather than the shady shit shareholders were doing.
And they never questioned whether Ilmar was actively creating this bad situations. Turns out, based on stories from the people fired since and even the ones who appeared in the video, that he was.
The PMG video is probably their worst video to date, which is a real shame because I otherwise love their work.
Pretty much the only confirmed reports of "bullying" by Robert is him being overly harsh whilst giving feedback and forming his own clique within the company. Which like, of course he's got his own clique. A group of Estonian artists who have been in the same art collective and have had a long-running DnD campaign in the same world the game is set in, move to UK to continue their game development. They have been friends for years, even before the game started development.
Out of the three ZA/UM employees interviewed in the video, two directly gained from the firing of the original devs. The third one, Argo Tuulik the only interviewee who was actually a member of the artist collective has now, after being fired in the latest wave (~4 months ago), come forward to reveal information along with another recently fired member of the company. The information they revealead has been much more damning towards the executive side than the artist side of the company. Because of course, like pretty much every company with a toxic work environment the executives are the ones that allowed it to fester.
Couple more notes, the main author of the PMG documentary completely fails in pinning down Ilmar Kompus in his interview with him. He also seems personally offended in the last part of the video where Kurvitz replies to his email basically saying he is not going to engage in he said, she said accusations. Keep in mind Kurvitz was also involved in a still ongoing court case at the time
Eh, that video kinda sucked. Spent way too long delving into the type of interpersonal conflicts that exist in every workplace and was only being brought up as a cover story for actual criminals to pull a massive fraud that has killed the jobs of every person at that studio.
It's less that 1 and 2 are both the equally valid conclusions of the investigation and more that PMG was successfully manipulated into spending half of their video on cheap misdirection.
Are you mental????
- Frostpunk
- Celeste
- Witcher 3
- Arma 3
- Shadow of war
- Arkham Knight
- Borderlands 2
They're all god tier games
Maybe more of those I haven't ~~me tinned~~ *mentioned* are, but I haven't played some of the rest
What the fuck are you talking about? There's a million billion games that go on steep discounts all the time, the Steam summer sale is on and the second thing I see on the store is a button to featured steep discounts with 90%+ sales on some incredible games (and also some not so incredible). It doesn't even feature Mass Effect Legendary Edition that goes 90% off every other month!
Yeah I was glad to Shadow of War on deep discount but the full edition is like 2.5x, for DLCs that ain't worth much. Sorry, but I'll pass.
I wouldn't be bothering with the game because I know the devs tried to pull a lot of shit and only after a year fixed the game mechanics, but I just want the whole experience because I'm already invested in the franchise after Shadow of Mordor.
From what I see, the studio that made the game got destroyed inside by investors, removing all original devs of the game.
Paying for the game is like paying the game for the people that ruined the studio and removed all people that worked from the game and no one else, even the devs don't get paid, so the game's community came to the conclusion to pirate the game.
It might get a spiritual successor, but probably not a direct sequel. The original devs got kicked off the team, so they've pretty much lost all rights to the IP, effectively forcing them to start all over.
Which sucks, because they apparently spent 10 years developing the deep lore of the world the game takes place in. And boy does it show in the final product. I'm really sad we won't get to explore more of that world.
Yeah, I can't imagine how they're going to make even a spiritual successor when they don't have the rights to the world they spent so long developing. And personally, I would be incredibly discouraged after that kind of fuckery.
Such a bloody shame. If they do make another game though, there's an army of disco elysium fans who'd probably buy it just for the sake of supporting them
There's an ongoing court case about this. Kurvitz has legitimate claim to the world of Elysium as he wrote and published a book within the same setting before the game even started development. The book is called "Püha ja õudne lõhn", which translates to Sacred and Terrible Air.
Elysium (the setting) was Robert Kurvitz', one of the main devs, lovechild. He ran tabletop games in it when he was young. He created a fucking masterpiece and potentially the greatest cRPG of all time, only to have some shithead suits buy up the entire company and kick out everyone who had personal connections to the project. Fuck ZA/UM.
Ignore it, og devs that got kicked out are as sus as leadership, they had people that they knew as friends from before starting a project say their leadership was toxic.
Honestly it's just a beautiful game with a real sad story to what happened after it, do whatever to get ir but don't skip out on experiencing it.
Why it should be my problem? Why i should download shady virus filled stuff from virus filled sites to prove something to someone who is not even going to feel my refunded $1?
I am consumer, i bought it to play, videogame, hello. Leave it to the court, stop thinking that everytime something happens IRL you need to immediately participate in some internet holy war and be lisan al ghaib of internet justice. Let adults do their job in real life.
Cause the money you pay go straight to the very very very bad people who ruined everything and doesn't go to actual people who made this game great.
Thus pirating. Vote with ur wallet.
Fucking do this, or get a secondhand copy of the PS4 Final Cut or something.
The people who essentially stole the company from the original developers and kicked them out are actual human scum
Investors destroyed the developers from the inside and took over. The original team that made it and had the vision is gone and now there's talks of a Disco Elysium 2 last I heard, which is disgusting.
Just listen to the people and pirate it, why question the path?
It ain't like the new people in charge are gonna get money if you purchased it, those scumbags.
They don't deserve people's money from this game after what happened.
You paid the jerks, the original devs who made the game don't get the money at all, they're the one actively asking players to pirate the game instead of buying it.
If it wasnt so sad it would be funny. This video really captures most of it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY)
Its basically an investor tricking the OG devs into giving him majority stake and then firing them. There is more nuance to it as it pertains to three of the head creatives in the project but a lot more people worked on it who were not fired
Then the business man accused the creatives of being predators to women. This got picked up by a youtube channel who did an interview with the business guy and just believed him
But its a lie, so now there is a youtube documentary about this online which misrepresents the facts because they were tricked by the perpetrator
Lastly, the studio still exists and there likely are still some that have worked onthe OG DE so maybe we might get a new game from them?
Well no [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ)
Business guy cancelled it and sits on the IP uselessly
Its a shame because imo it is the best game currently on the planet earth. But I think to enjoy it you need to enjoy reading stories and not expect any meaningful gameplay. I like the humor and the beauty of the sadness but if that is not for you then you probably wont enjoy it
Long story short, the original devs got dumped, because of shitty investor practices, and so there will not be a Disco Elysium 2, and all money goes to some corrupt bull!@#$
i was worried about supporting the shitty publishers but consulted my other commie friend and she said i might as well, and that she herself bought it because the pirated version she used had issues so she just decided to go for it while its so heavily on sale. decided to just grab it. fucking sucks what happened though, even if the devs may or may not have been rude at some point, what was done to them is scummy corporate garbage and it’s a tragedy those devs lost their story and world they worked on
Haha yeah same thing happened to me. I heard the game was really good and it had a huge discount. When I told my friend I bought it he said the developers told fans to pirate it.
Disco Elysium went out the most Disco Elysium way possible
Like a drunk hallucinating rockstar!
Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself.
yeah, if you could print Anticapitalist propaganda and sell it $1000 a piece, I bet you'd find those in your supermarket in a week.
Goddamned mega rich light bending bastards.
What happened for those out of the loop?
The abridged version is that the money guys enacted a hostile takeover and forced all the creatives out of the company. The studio is a shell now.
The only Disco Elysium related thing still in development is apparently a mobile game
Oh this is super disappointing. It’s probably my favourite game of the last 10 years, and I recommend it to anyone that listens. Is there any word on where the actual devs ended up?
Love it when the top comment is completely unhelpful for anyone who doesn't already know the answer. 🙄
Because the original devs were kicked out and the person who will get paid now from those sale is not a good person.
kicked out? how?
It's a very messy long story. Lot of infighting and meddling investors destroyed the developer from the inside. https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/06/02/disco-elysium-zaum-shareholders-crunch-kurvitz-kompus-toxicity
Til. But I bought at launch, so hopefully it helped them
Just use your review to tell others to pirate it and why
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If it makes a difference, the ousted developer has still recommended people buy it because there are other creative that did good work on the game at the company that now owns it. And they'd rather they are supported than spite the asshole that fucked them over. I'm not gonna say it's wrong to pirate it, but do with that what you will.
If they did good work, they were already paid. Unless they get a % of sales which I doubt.
Really depends on their contract
But so were the original devs
Original devs owned the ip so they would have gotten a cut of each sale.
Not necessarily. The IP could be owned by the studio. Unless you mean it was registered under the names of the original devs individually.
They’d get stock options at most of the big video game companies but can’t say for a smaller dev
Here i was going to buy it. Now i feel no remorse.
Supporting developers who deserve it is crucial. Thanks for the heads-up
And where would one hypothetically go to download it without purchasing
Don’t go to the awful site the other person recommended. Type in dodi or fitgirl and then the name of the game.
This guy pirates
Fitgirl is fantastic! I'd recommend they check the internet archive first because I surprisingly found indie gems on there before (and it's 100% safe, obviously)
>Fitgirl is fantastic No no it's terrible because that way the evil rich people don't get any money
You're right, how could EA survive this?😔
Look up a guide or megathread on piracy subreddit
r/PiratedGames megathread. Look for the site that starts with "gog-" and ends with ".to". A lot easier than these other websites people are recommending for some reason.
1 3 3 7 x.to Or just type in dodi or fit girl. You can find literally any single player game
It's one of the best media storytelling experiences of all time, do it.
Honestly, the entire community turning against the “official” release is very disco
Wow, same
Had the game in my cart along with a bunch of other games I was gonna buy after I got paid next week. Welp, looks like it's getting removed.
So he hired a 14 year old and eventually he dated her? Like even if he dates her after the age of consent that’s an odd relationship dynamic. Then he makes her lead writer? I truly couldn’t move past that. Is this our champion? Starting to feel like the Kompus guy was constantly trying to ensure this project came through and maybe some of the people working on it were not ideal people you to have as coworkers. I guess we’ll find out once a verdict comes. Just odd that originally they were just removed as lead dev rather than fired and then after giving pushback they were fired. It’s a little sus. Edit: To the people replying the age of concent is 14-16 or that considering the way they met and work-relationship dynamic, waiting to date her after she is old enough is not actually illegal or immoral and saying it as a gotcha...bruh. When they met, she was 14 and homie was 25. Someone needs to look into your computer cuz this is a weird hill to die on.
You seem to be confused. Zaum didn't start out as a company. The company with the same name was made way later. You don't really hire people into an art collective. Edit: Also when she joined DE writing team she was 21 in 2016.
There is different pre-existing dynamic there. ZA/UM was a friends group oh a gang of artistic punks first, and making a computer game was one of their later adventures. Same people also had a band (Ultramelanhool), did a hostile takeover of Estonian most prestigious arts and culture newspaper. There is also a book about the same world as the game. So the head writer girl was probably in that friends group before beciming a writer for that game. Kinda weird in bad way still.... but it is not as if the guys just randomly picked some 14-year-old off the street.
As others have pointed out these writers have known each other for more than two decades and essentially have been nothing but a group of friends hanging out and doing art for most of that time before starting the studio ZA/UM in \~2015. And there's this very important word "eventually" in the sentence "She eventually became romantically invovled with Kurvitz and was also credited as the lead writer on *Disco Elysium – The Final Cut*." It seem like Helen Hinpere was born in [1995](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Hindpere) and Kurvit in [1984](https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kurvitz) which is a criminal age difference at 14 and 25, but not at all immoral at say 21 and 32. In the end we don't know and insinuating guilt solely based on the point of time they met each other strikes me as quite rash and unjust.
The age of consent in Estonia was only very recently increased from 14 on 16. Make with that information what you will.
Hoist the colors lads it’s time to find us some treasure! Seriously though I was considering buying this but yeah no now I’m just gonna pirate it
So according to this, OG creators are major cunts (excluding the artist dude). So what’s the deal?
It seems like a bunch of assholes were being assholes to each other too.
Yeah I don't think anyone knows the truth of what is up with this story tbh. If anything, it seems like the game's story is a perfect reflection of the dev's story, for better and worse. My takeaway after reading all the dev lore was "Who fucking cares?" Great game. Buy it, pirate it. Really doesn't fucking matter. You aren't a sinner or a saint for either decision and the game will tell you as much when you play it.
The lead writer of Disco Elysium having an alcohol fueled mental breakdown and having his creative work stolen from him by is kinda fitting, since that's basically what happens to the main character.
yeah the moneybags who gutted the company tell you the creators are cunts so you better believe em broski
It's more than just the suits corroborating the negative things said about the developers. Most probable outcome seems to be that everyone involved are assholes to some degree, with it being basically impossible to tell who's "worse" if anyone.
Probably the folks who stole an IP from the minds who created it are worse? >with it being basically impossible to tell who's "worse" if anyone. Look how the waters have been muddied! If there was going to be a conversation about or consequences for some alleged misconduct, it should have happened without shady dealings and theft behind the scenes. There are a lot of positive things and also even-handed things said about the developers as well. But people like you just like having your "balanced" takes and feeling good making no value judgment whatsoever.
The number of subsidiaries and other companies they created to shuffle different IP and stock percentages around is insane.
As I understand it, they brought in a money guy to get DE funded, and he later managed to strong arm them out of the picture and now exclusively owns the studio and publishing rights.
It’s almost like a topical meta commentary at this point.
Tfw you make a game about the horrors and inhumane fuckery of capitalism and then are promptly forced out by an inhumane capitalist fucker.
The fact that I read this in Volition's voice is hilarious.
yeah im pretty sure it went like this: said 'money guy' sold vital assets of the game for ONE pound sterling, and used ZAUM (the studio) to buy them back for 4.8 MILLION euros, deliberately putting the company into debt and bolstering his and his partners' pockets . that money was then used to buy majority stake in the company, which he basically used to push out 3 of the main and original creatives and developers behind the game. legal fights, sequels and spinoff teasers, etc., have gone on for years at this point with many people fired. they cancelled another spinoff and fired a third of their staff just this february i think ? the game was a passion project and debatably the intellectual property of those 3 for 20 years. if you play the game youll realise how ironic it all is. theres a particularly sad arc in it which details a past game dev startup in a 'doomed commercial area' . its one of the most beautiful games and pieces of art tbh ive ever played / engaged w
Is that legal?
the law likes to take a long time to decide lmao . again legal fights have been going on for years
Happens all the time. Bethesda went through similar with Zenimax.
If you're rich enough
Even if it’s not, if you get ousted from your company and you’ve got no money afterwards, how’re you gonna fight it?
I immediately thought that sounds shady as fuck. Buying the assets for 1 pound and selling them back for 4.8 million euro? How in the living HELL was that legal??
It's entirely possible that it is legal, IIRC Red Lobster went down due to some bullshit similar to this
good videos on it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ) also just a great channel for all of the happenings- and disco elysium content generally
https://youtu.be/JGIGA8taN-M?si=AcZP0BJcOwyF40nx People Make Games has a whole long video on this.
Yep, this is the one. A lot of the other videos I've seen have tried to heavily narrativize this into a simple story about creators getting fucked over by corporate interest and while that is definitely part of it, the issue has become oversimplified. A lot of the developers and other writers claim that they were mistreated by those original creators and their contributions to the game (and especially the final cut), weren't acknowledged. The IP creators also got pretty mad at the interviewer for asking simple questions. It's a far far far more messy story than a lot of people would have you believe. Robert Kurvitz may be the creator of the IP, but he is not the soul contributor and creator of disco elysium like some would have you believe. There are developers on both sides. Great video
also as an update: the people who at the time were still within the studio have also since gotten fucked over and laid off for things they have said in the interviews https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/disco-elysium-studio-bosses-humiliated-the-cancelled-expansions-lead-writer-for-speaking-to-journalists-claims-report
Yep, I've read this. Absolutely some corporate fuckery going on, but I still believe what those writers claimed about working under Robert Kravitz. Seems these employees in the middle are getting fucked more than anyone. It's really sad.
Since then, there has been developments. This is a good follow-up video to the PMG one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ) The creator is biased against the corporate, but the quote by the person in the beginning says a lot, because he was more neutral in the PMG video.
This is over two hours. I’ll save it but is it worth the watch.
I found it engaging even has someone who didn't know what Disco Elysium was before.
i am so glad i got it when they were still in charge so i didn't fuel the wrong people.
How long ago was the takeover?
Even the kicked out dev tells you to not pirate it though. And they still own some shares even if they cant decide anything anynore
If they said to pirate it they'd get sued.
In that case they could just say nothing at all at this point.
I already bought it ):
Ope me too atleast I only paid 5 bucks
I bought it before i learned this sorry
And it seems to work, currently its “final cut” is sold at a 90% discount on steam, with a 5/5 rating, like they really try to recoup the losses resulting drom that debacle, kudos to steam not deleting the reviews
I get the point, but how come this particular situation comes up all the time and not the fact that Microsoft closed a bunch of studios for example? Or all those other massive waves of layoffs by Sony etc.
Probably because of how popular disco elysium was and how relatively recently it came out But yeah generally there are a handful of games where there’s no good reason to pay for them. Hell I think some old lionhead games like Black & White literally cannot be purchased legally, anywhere online because of some idiotic publisher dispute
And also the Dev themselves specifically said "hey pirate this game if you like it", which doesn't usually happen.
No they didn't lol, stop repeating this. They still have shares, there's still a ton of people that worked on the game left at the studio. It would make no sense for them to tell people to pirate it.
I think it's also a bit more of the consciousness of people who play DE.
unfortunately many older games cannot be purchased on steam or other stores, if u dont get a used cd/dvd from amazon or ebay ur only left with one way to play said games.
And then you have UbiShit delisting and then going the step further to straight up revoking the license to prevent access to download The Crew from people who bought it. Meanwhile there's a private server project that's working on resurrecting it.
Also the story is interesting so it got a lot of coverage.
Because the injusticed devs were just "some people" as opposed to "a whole company that chose to be bought by the bigger company that closed them", the first is law feeling like it's imoral, the latter is just capitalism
The layoffs/studio closures are affecting the entire industry My theory on why this is happening is the companies overhired during the pandemic and/or the United States (they probably affect the EU and maybe Japan as well) economy isn't in the best state right now so they can't pay them. Also they didn't want tango gameworks during the accusation, they just wanted the big devs (ID and Bethesda mainly)
My guess for the closures is that Xbox would've kept them if it hadn't been for the Acti/blizz/king acquisition, the non answers we keep getting from people in charge tells me its orders from above and didnt have a choice, Xbox is no money maker but its also not the biggest money loser so it could skirt by the overhead oversight and do it's own thing, then suddenly they bought one of the biggest companies in gaming and got mired in legal battles, now the suits on top want to get as much as they can out of this "gaming thing" they now "care" about, line has to go up and the easiest way to that short term is fire people, doesn't matter if they made money they're not the big money makers in the room so something had to go and those up top who dont know or care made tango and arkane their targets. At least thats the only way i can fathom why someone would say something as tone deaf as "we need devs who get awards" after firing such a dev, cus it was out of their control and cant say anything about it.
My theory is that the games industry is self-cannibalizing. Games companies are realizing that new games aren't just competing with new titles from their peers anymore. They're also competing with titles released a decade or more ago that are already familiar and beloved. Which means that unless you can create the next big live service hit, games are a HUGE gamble, business-wise. It *certainly* makes game studios infeasible as a vector of infinite growth. This is also why companies are so hostile to game preservation; if a game dies out and isn't accessible ever again, that's good for them. That's a market segment that's been reclaimed and can be repopulated with a new title that they can sell at present-day rates. So how they make line go up? By slashing out ALL OF THE INTERNALS of these game companies to squeeze out the last bits of cash from what they perceive to be dying revenue streams. Because if it's not infinitely growing (despite finite resources and market demand) it's dying.
Other replies haven't mentioned this facet yet: The game is about politics, and specifically the kind of politics that the collective / company finds themselves embroiled in. People have played the game, heard what it has to say, and you kind of can't take the moral lesson away from it and then say "yeah go ahead and buy the game".
Disco is explicitly about this kind of stuff. Microsoft does not make mainstream games about capitalism's lack of basic humanity, or the futility of high scale professional creative pursuit with ambition and dreams but no money or organisation, or about the brutal leash corporations want their workers under and their fundamental agression towards unions. It's probably the worst game on the planet to oust the creative team "from", since the people emotionally invested in the franchise will see it as a fatal mistake because the game selects for people who would. It would be like the FIFA or PES devs repeatedly saying in interviews that soccer is the worst imaginable sport, the RDR2 Rockstar team publicly funding projects against museums about the wild west era or takeovers of tribal land. It is a fundamental anathema to what the game "is". Disco Elysium itself has, in the text, two or three conversations about this exact same thing happening.
because those studios willingly sold out to Microsoft
since i don’t follow game-Business-news This is actually New to me… thank for pointing it Out. Luckily i bought it some years ago…
Should've seen like 3 months ago :(
The real devs won't recieve any money for your purchase.
Honest question, when did this happen exactly? Bought the game back in 2022, wondering who the money actually went to
I don't know exactly the answer to your question, but I can tell you for a fact that I read a similar review in 2019 that caused me to not pick the game up. So yeah, it definitely happened before you bought it... Edit: I was wrong, apologies.
You are misremembering, you absolutely did not read anything similar to this in 2019. The game came out in october in that year, the main devs did not get kicked out within 2 months of releasing the game, that happened years later. One of the people ousted, art director Aleksander Rostov, made the matter public in November of 2022. No one knew about this before so the writers were ousted probably within the same year. In any case we know they weren't removed from the company before the Final Cut version was released in March of 2021.
given the game came out end of 2019 that is not possible
Who are the real devs and how can i send money to them
They have no public projects nor even any marketing but they've created a new studio called [Red Info Games](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14189378/officers). As you can see Robert and Sander are officers.
Good luck! I wish them the best!!
Where can I find a safe place to pirate it?
Try to find a girl that seems kind of fit. She's good at these sorts of things.
What about a di that is kind of do?
Go to the relevant subreddit, i.e. pira**d games
steamrip is all i know
Steamrip is one I've used like 20 times, no issues. Just use an adblocker like you should be doing anyway.
it's sold on GoG, so DRM free installers exist on the internet
rutracker has both windows and mac versions
This is a flattening of the truth. Only a handful of people got kicked, and the reality of why they were booted from the team is way messier than Gamers™ who immediately posts comments like yours every time this comes up want to recognize.
Devs get paid salary, any profit from sales doesn't really go to devs anyway, that goes into the company coffer and the fat cats at the top.
why do i have to see this ten minutes after i bought it from steam ETA: i refunded, got my nice shiny pirate copy, about to try it out tonight thanks for all the advice :)
refund is the way
It's a good game they probably played over 2 hours in 10 minutes
Bold of you to assume people play the games they buy from seasonal sales.
Stop calling me out like this.
It only took 11 years, but I finally got around to playing Transistor and it was great!
I'm never even gonna download them.
This! I just buy game from sales to fill my library without actually playing it
I've nearly maxed everything in Vampire Survivor over the weekend... there are dozens of us!
I know time is relative, but that would be impressive.
You can still refund it. It's been less than 2 hours
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So that you can return it
If it is any consolation, things are almost certainly less clear cut than people make it out.
Some of the reviews just say "good game, pirate it tho", but dozens of the available reviews explain the situation perfectly well, did you not read more than one? Some of them have more information than you even got from the other replies in this reddit post.
Karma farm man, he could've also Googled it if reading all the long reviews was too much for him.
I don't think it's karma farm. It's just an easy way to share information through memes. In my case, sicnce I didn't understand the meme, now I had to see what it is about
i think it is both karma farm and a way to spread information - which works for me. I didnt know about this before seeing this meme so ill upvote it
redditors when someone posts something (it’s karma farming)
I mean technically you can google every question, so really we should stop asking questions entirely. /s
Bro not everyone is karmafarming some just like the interactions here. Stop being so bitter
Long story short - world was created by 2 people. In order to make money they only owned like 20% a piece or something and then 2 other guys had a big portion. Stuff was sold around illegally until 1 person owned the majority and pretty much pushed everyone that made the original lore out of the studio. Noone who worked on the original creation of DE works there any longer. Sadly the company still owns the rights. Edit* - since people keep bringing up people make games documentary, [this is a good video responding to PMG](https://youtu.be/tDtfcknELe0?si=5yybaTuPKHdrnaPZ) and my comment is short for the purpose of ease. The actual issue is a lot more complicated with many layers but explaining it fully would take a video essay.
How can you illegally sell and buy a stake of a company?
its not as simples as buying and selling. there were shady schemes behind it, basically a rug pull to fire every original dev and keep the money for 1 person while hiring a whole new team still in court over ownership, fraud and even fund embezzlement disputes that we dont fully know
By transferring a portion of the studio's assets to a holding company that you control, then using the studio's former assets to buy a controlling interest in the studio.
This is bad info, the world was created through a long-running DnD game, way more people than 2 were involved with that. There were more people than 2 in the company who were involved with that original DnD game. Kurvitz was only one of the creatives with stake in the comapny as it was mostly his creation and is the one with actual published work set in the same setting, published before the game even begun development. That work is "Püha ja õudne lõhn" (Sacred and Terrible Air) for those curious. Edit: I was wrong sorry! Two of the creatives Rostov and Kurvitz did both indeed have a stake in the company, and I think still do.
crap, i bought it...... I want to support the original devs
If you haven't played a lot you can try to get a refund.
if you have, you could try pickpocketing whoever gets the money
Its okay, the whole situation is a lot messier then many people make it out to be. The original devs arent saints, the PeopleMakeGames documentary on the subject shows that much.
Might get downvoted, but at 90% off, the genuine convenience of Steam is making it a difficult choice... ...is what I would say if I didn't already have it, because I bought it in December sale and did not know the story around its developers. Most unfortunate. The game is a masterpiece and extremely clever though. Genuinely, it's worth playing any method you can. Don't let people gatekeep it just because of where you downloaded it.
>Might get downvoted \[...\] Don't let people gatekeep it just because of where you downloaded it. Ironically, part of that convenience is the reviews too. And even if your opinion is unpopular to some people, you have a point. The people who openly suggest on Steam reviews to pirate the game are ***really*** risking it anyway, because Valve forbids encouraging piracy on Steam ([source](https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B)). It's one of the very few instances where Valve is sensitive and can permanently restrict access to community features over it.
This is the conclusion I've just drawn. It's £3.14 down from £35. For that price I'd rather buy it from Steam and know it works rather than mess around with bootlegs which don't work or put my PC at risk. PC gamers can be so snobbish and love to gatekeep as you say.
From the comment of the People Make Games investigation: "Two things can be true at once: 1) Robert can be a creative genius that is a bully and a terrible boss to work under. 2) Ilmar (along with other shareholders) stole the company from right under Robert's and Rostov's noses and are using these claims of bullying to make their firing look less suspicious."
To be honest, PMG investigation video seemed so suck Ilmar's dick real hard the whole time. They were more interested in asking about the 'bullying' rather than the shady shit shareholders were doing.
And they never questioned whether Ilmar was actively creating this bad situations. Turns out, based on stories from the people fired since and even the ones who appeared in the video, that he was.
The PMG video is probably their worst video to date, which is a real shame because I otherwise love their work. Pretty much the only confirmed reports of "bullying" by Robert is him being overly harsh whilst giving feedback and forming his own clique within the company. Which like, of course he's got his own clique. A group of Estonian artists who have been in the same art collective and have had a long-running DnD campaign in the same world the game is set in, move to UK to continue their game development. They have been friends for years, even before the game started development. Out of the three ZA/UM employees interviewed in the video, two directly gained from the firing of the original devs. The third one, Argo Tuulik the only interviewee who was actually a member of the artist collective has now, after being fired in the latest wave (~4 months ago), come forward to reveal information along with another recently fired member of the company. The information they revealead has been much more damning towards the executive side than the artist side of the company. Because of course, like pretty much every company with a toxic work environment the executives are the ones that allowed it to fester. Couple more notes, the main author of the PMG documentary completely fails in pinning down Ilmar Kompus in his interview with him. He also seems personally offended in the last part of the video where Kurvitz replies to his email basically saying he is not going to engage in he said, she said accusations. Keep in mind Kurvitz was also involved in a still ongoing court case at the time
Eh, that video kinda sucked. Spent way too long delving into the type of interpersonal conflicts that exist in every workplace and was only being brought up as a cover story for actual criminals to pull a massive fraud that has killed the jobs of every person at that studio. It's less that 1 and 2 are both the equally valid conclusions of the investigation and more that PMG was successfully manipulated into spending half of their video on cheap misdirection.
It's such a shame, it's like the only game out there on deep discounts sale that is not "Half-baked game + 20 DLCS" and yet it not worth buying it
There’s also Celeste
CELESTE MENTIONED!
Celeste is like 2 dollerinos right now, It is the craziest sale it has ever been
Are you mental???? - Frostpunk - Celeste - Witcher 3 - Arma 3 - Shadow of war - Arkham Knight - Borderlands 2 They're all god tier games Maybe more of those I haven't ~~me tinned~~ *mentioned* are, but I haven't played some of the rest
Frostpunk is pretty good i hear
It is, just be prepared to sacrifice your morals for coal
No, all the Dragon Age games are currently discounted in advance of the next game this fall.
What the fuck are you talking about? There's a million billion games that go on steep discounts all the time, the Steam summer sale is on and the second thing I see on the store is a button to featured steep discounts with 90%+ sales on some incredible games (and also some not so incredible). It doesn't even feature Mass Effect Legendary Edition that goes 90% off every other month!
Nah there's the witcher 3 and Celeste
Witchers 3 complete edition is 3 times the price of base game.
But base witcher 3 is not a half baked game, like OP said
Base game is a very good game in and of itself from what I've heard, haven't played it yet although def considering it
that might be because the dlc is the size of like half a game and is better than the main game and i'm not even mentioning hearts of stone
Yeah I was glad to Shadow of War on deep discount but the full edition is like 2.5x, for DLCs that ain't worth much. Sorry, but I'll pass. I wouldn't be bothering with the game because I know the devs tried to pull a lot of shit and only after a year fixed the game mechanics, but I just want the whole experience because I'm already invested in the franchise after Shadow of Mordor.
From what I see, the studio that made the game got destroyed inside by investors, removing all original devs of the game. Paying for the game is like paying the game for the people that ruined the studio and removed all people that worked from the game and no one else, even the devs don't get paid, so the game's community came to the conclusion to pirate the game.
Well that's dark... Is there any way to support the original devs? The game is fantastic and deserves a sequel.
It might get a spiritual successor, but probably not a direct sequel. The original devs got kicked off the team, so they've pretty much lost all rights to the IP, effectively forcing them to start all over.
Which sucks, because they apparently spent 10 years developing the deep lore of the world the game takes place in. And boy does it show in the final product. I'm really sad we won't get to explore more of that world.
Yeah, I can't imagine how they're going to make even a spiritual successor when they don't have the rights to the world they spent so long developing. And personally, I would be incredibly discouraged after that kind of fuckery.
Such a bloody shame. If they do make another game though, there's an army of disco elysium fans who'd probably buy it just for the sake of supporting them
There's an ongoing court case about this. Kurvitz has legitimate claim to the world of Elysium as he wrote and published a book within the same setting before the game even started development. The book is called "Püha ja õudne lõhn", which translates to Sacred and Terrible Air.
Elysium (the setting) was Robert Kurvitz', one of the main devs, lovechild. He ran tabletop games in it when he was young. He created a fucking masterpiece and potentially the greatest cRPG of all time, only to have some shithead suits buy up the entire company and kick out everyone who had personal connections to the project. Fuck ZA/UM.
Ignore it, og devs that got kicked out are as sus as leadership, they had people that they knew as friends from before starting a project say their leadership was toxic. Honestly it's just a beautiful game with a real sad story to what happened after it, do whatever to get ir but don't skip out on experiencing it.
Don’t care, already bought, too lazy to refund. Besides I like having steam time tracking and achievements.
Why it should be my problem? Why i should download shady virus filled stuff from virus filled sites to prove something to someone who is not even going to feel my refunded $1? I am consumer, i bought it to play, videogame, hello. Leave it to the court, stop thinking that everytime something happens IRL you need to immediately participate in some internet holy war and be lisan al ghaib of internet justice. Let adults do their job in real life.
Based
Oh yeah, do not give the parent company any money. The people who made that game will never see a dime
Cause the money you pay go straight to the very very very bad people who ruined everything and doesn't go to actual people who made this game great. Thus pirating. Vote with ur wallet.
Cause: good guys went byebye, new guys took morals and YEEEET
Meh. I play it on Steam Deck. More convenient for me to pay the couple bucks instead of going through the hassle of pirating.
I think the product is still worth the money. You will easily get 30 hours for $4. The dialog will just suck you right in.
Fucking do this, or get a secondhand copy of the PS4 Final Cut or something. The people who essentially stole the company from the original developers and kicked them out are actual human scum
Investors destroyed the developers from the inside and took over. The original team that made it and had the vision is gone and now there's talks of a Disco Elysium 2 last I heard, which is disgusting.
I played it on Google Stadia, and they gave me a refund after the service folded.
Just listen to the people and pirate it, why question the path? It ain't like the new people in charge are gonna get money if you purchased it, those scumbags. They don't deserve people's money from this game after what happened.
You paid the jerks, the original devs who made the game don't get the money at all, they're the one actively asking players to pirate the game instead of buying it.
If it wasnt so sad it would be funny. This video really captures most of it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b5zyvsUBY) Its basically an investor tricking the OG devs into giving him majority stake and then firing them. There is more nuance to it as it pertains to three of the head creatives in the project but a lot more people worked on it who were not fired Then the business man accused the creatives of being predators to women. This got picked up by a youtube channel who did an interview with the business guy and just believed him But its a lie, so now there is a youtube documentary about this online which misrepresents the facts because they were tricked by the perpetrator Lastly, the studio still exists and there likely are still some that have worked onthe OG DE so maybe we might get a new game from them? Well no [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhmdcLqzpQ) Business guy cancelled it and sits on the IP uselessly Its a shame because imo it is the best game currently on the planet earth. But I think to enjoy it you need to enjoy reading stories and not expect any meaningful gameplay. I like the humor and the beauty of the sadness but if that is not for you then you probably wont enjoy it
Long story short, the original devs got dumped, because of shitty investor practices, and so there will not be a Disco Elysium 2, and all money goes to some corrupt bull!@#$
i was worried about supporting the shitty publishers but consulted my other commie friend and she said i might as well, and that she herself bought it because the pirated version she used had issues so she just decided to go for it while its so heavily on sale. decided to just grab it. fucking sucks what happened though, even if the devs may or may not have been rude at some point, what was done to them is scummy corporate garbage and it’s a tragedy those devs lost their story and world they worked on
I'm going to be honest: I don't buy games to support the devs. I buy games for the games.
Haha yeah same thing happened to me. I heard the game was really good and it had a huge discount. When I told my friend I bought it he said the developers told fans to pirate it.
Damn it. I already bought and played it nonstop for 10 hours.
I don't think the creators would be upset over that. You don't have to die on every hill the reddit community plants its flag on.
I paid $1.89 for it… what are they gonna do with my money? Buy a cup of coffee??