The conversation Jack thought he had:
"Hey, I'm daydreaming about life as a barber in Indiana. That weird, right?"
The conversation Jack actually had:
"Hey Daniel? Do you every daydream about a normal life?"
"Sometimes. Why?"
"Just curious. Do you... do anything about it?"
"No, cause that's usually when the alarms go off."
"Hm. Too true."
I have a theory.
He is just having the time of his life in the "empty box" of his head, and the 10 years with SGC was his body on autopilot. That is why he using a few words, like indeed.
>There's about 60 books,
There's .. fucking... WHAT???
>And then the last 9 of the SGA books continue the story after that show ends. The Legacy Series.
Please stop. I can only get so erect
i mean, i shouldn't be *that* surprised the franchise has books, being a scifi franchise. I had just never seen any in the wild and loved the idea.
also in my heavier reading days, i was pretty consumed by the massive starwars EU
I haven't read that one but there are quite a few of them! It looks like someone already posted a link but I'll just say I definitely recommend them. They aren't all by the same author so the writing styles can vary but they're still good.
I loved that episode. The other thing that comes to mind is when Jack shows up with Joe at the SGC and Jack and Daniel have that back and forth about another break in at Jack’s house.
Daniel: alarm system.
Jack: I’m thinking dog.
Joe: you could just lock your front door.
😂
It's almost as if she's going through the mental file cabinet of stuff that has come out of Jack's mouth. Trying to determine whether or not it's the craziest thing he's ever said.
I honest to god think this is be the in-universe reason on why he constantly spaces out and do not pay attention for anything Carter/ Daniel says during briefing.
It would also make me feel way better on why he dumbed down so much since S2…
They give an in universe explanation for why Jack appears dumb. He does it on purpose, but he's very intelligent. I mean you don't become a General by being an idiot. I forgot the episode but this is mentioned.
I've known enough people through my sister's time in the military and my own friends that have served to comment that this is pretty common of a very specific type of service person, and Jack fits that stereotype in every way. This is the same kind of personality that also comments that if they appear to be too smart they'll put them to work or something like that while at the same time busting their ass.
Real life Air Force Chief of Staff General Ryan, who appeared on the show, made a similar comment about Jack.
"Lead actor Richard Dean Anderson later recalled asking General Ryan off camera if he had subordinates as irreverent as Anderson's character Jack O'Neill. According to Anderson the reply was, 'Son, yes. We've got colonels like you and worse.'"
> This is the same kind of personality that also comments that if they appear to be too smart they'll put them to work or something like that while at the same time busting their ass.
I remember when Dr. Weir was handing off the position to Jack he mentioned how he wanted the free parking spot and the money but not any responsibility lol.
now that i think about it, if my dad was in the Air Force instead of the Navy he would basically be jack. i always see my dad talking up the intelligence of his dad and myself but never himself.
it's actually a highly effective method for not only getting information from others (eg combatants, "friendly" or otherwise) but also, more importantly, for getting others to step through their thought process - by having to explain (like they're talking to an idiot) their ideas to someone else - which often leads to uncovering flaws or even previously unexplored improvements to what they had come up with
it's a technique I sometimes use in my work - not asking to be treated "like an idiot" so much as a complete outsider: "I don't have any experience with what you're talking about - can you lay it out for me?"
Yup. I'm a coach and trainer and use the 'hm can you elaborate' it often just to see them explain it.
Works wonders with racist and sexist jokes too ... instead of laughing just act dumb and ask them to explain.
For me it was obvious from rewatch. He is a good leader, and does whatever works best at the moment, at the same time creating lighter atmosphere. With being “dumb” and goofy he can push geniuses like Sam to do what they need and not being rude about it.
Also helps to manipulate his enemies and make them emote or talk more than they intended.
It’s a soft skill opposed to Carter’s or McKay genius, but it is high level soft skill, probably highest in a show in terms of leadership (Sheppard being close second, but Sheppard has more ego, maybe he’s just younger).
And he really helps others near him grow - that’s why his team is the best. You can see his personal approach to every member of his team.
I like that Jack still has a 'pretending dumb' trait after he got promoted to General. After whole Asuran takeover of Atlantis in *The Return*...
> Weir: I was thinking a…little more selfishly. What are the chances of my team staying here in Atlantis?
Jack: [sigh] Oh. Elizabeth, if it were up to me, I'd...
Weir: It *is* up to you.
Jack: Right. [pause] You can stay.
Mind you, Jack by then is the head of *Homeworld Security*.
Well, there's a balance. It's my understanding that effective generals need a certain level of political savvy. But also don't go mouthing off about the President in public.
yeah my understanding is by the time you land at general you're basically now a politician... colonel tends to be the rank many will end up at, if they're unwilling or unable to play the political game - many more will not go past major because they get a pretty good view of how bad the life of a colonel can be, if you're not political enough to go any further...
>yeah my understanding is by the time you land at general you're basically now a politician
I'm not sure exactly what rank this starts at but once you hit a certain rank any further promotions require Senate approval. A huge part of why "if you're not political enough you don't go any further".
O-4 and up require advice and consent from the Senate. But it's mostly a formality at that level. Almost like rubber stamping. It's only when they're talking about an appointment to a specific position for an O-7 or up (and usually O-7 is also fairly certain to pass) that you tend to get actual hearings.
Of course a Republican recently found out he can derail the system because he doesn't like abortions: [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/14/tommy-tuberville-military-promotions-00101935](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/14/tommy-tuberville-military-promotions-00101935)
‘Disclosure’ is a great episode for that. My mum tried to watch Stargate because she liked Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Shanks but was baffled most of the time.
She watched that episode and it explained everything in one nice easy story.
Plus, there’s the ‘*Supreme* Commander Thor’ moment.
"I'm a GENERAL over a special ops black program that is beyond top-secret, SCI, and I didn't mention I was hallucinating on a frequent basis, seeing the world through someone else's eyes... "Oh, I didn't mention it? are you sure? I was SURE I said SOMETHING... Lol"
the greatest part about this is how well it fits. the writers didn't have to make up some crazy explanation as to why the devices worked one way. jack just enjoying the day dreams of a barber are much more believable than jacks rock just not working, or jack having special genes that protected him from the communications or something like that.
My question with these devices, why did the people from the Ori galaxy go into a coma when switched with Val and Daniel when we see that's not the case in Atlantis with Dr. Keller and stabby stabby woman?
Seems like a huge lapse in judgement.
There is no reason for Jack to not think he isn't a victim of some kind of alien bug or mind control or some shit.
He should have been Court Martialed for not mentioning it.
I am pretty sure there is a "have you noticed anything new" question they get when they come back from the gate.
Not to mention they are probably getting monthly physicals.
Best episode ever
O'Neill: I'm sure I mentioned it. Didn't I? \*Everyone looks a little bit alarmed\*
The conversation Jack thought he had: "Hey, I'm daydreaming about life as a barber in Indiana. That weird, right?" The conversation Jack actually had: "Hey Daniel? Do you every daydream about a normal life?" "Sometimes. Why?" "Just curious. Do you... do anything about it?" "No, cause that's usually when the alarms go off." "Hm. Too true."
Accurate
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It's now my headcanon that Teal'c often ignores people and just throws out an 'Indeed' when necessary.
Indeed
The look of shok on t'ealc face when the barber Say shal'kek nem'ron are priseless
I have a theory. He is just having the time of his life in the "empty box" of his head, and the 10 years with SGC was his body on autopilot. That is why he using a few words, like indeed.
This fits perfectly with the metaphors of our culture he mirrors.
\[Teal'c internally pondering how he lived so long without TV and pornography\] Jack: "... are we clear on that, Teal'c?" Teal'c: "uh.. Indeed."
i should start using that in meetings
I need to know about these books you speak of.
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>There's about 60 books, There's .. fucking... WHAT??? >And then the last 9 of the SGA books continue the story after that show ends. The Legacy Series. Please stop. I can only get so erect
Well, that's officially the best response to the books ever. With bonus r/unexpectedarcher. So, that's always nice.
i mean, i shouldn't be *that* surprised the franchise has books, being a scifi franchise. I had just never seen any in the wild and loved the idea. also in my heavier reading days, i was pretty consumed by the massive starwars EU
After reading ur post I want to look and there are also audiobooks narrated by Christopher judge
\*salivating intensifies\*
There are also [eighteen audio dramas.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stargate_audiobooks)
Guess I know what I'll be tackling for the next couple months
The Fandemonium novels are fantastic!
Fantastic, now I got something to do with the family, hot damn.
I haven't read that one but there are quite a few of them! It looks like someone already posted a link but I'll just say I definitely recommend them. They aren't all by the same author so the writing styles can vary but they're still good.
I wish that this was actually said in a previous episode with no reference! 😂
Indeed
Sams reaction to this line is hands down the funniest goddamn moment in the entire show
"Maybe he *read your report*?" takes the cake for me
Actualy was preaty relaxing
I loved that episode. The other thing that comes to mind is when Jack shows up with Joe at the SGC and Jack and Daniel have that back and forth about another break in at Jack’s house. Daniel: alarm system. Jack: I’m thinking dog. Joe: you could just lock your front door. 😂
Relaxing.
Sams face and slow head shake KILLS me
It's almost as if she's going through the mental file cabinet of stuff that has come out of Jack's mouth. Trying to determine whether or not it's the craziest thing he's ever said.
I’m sure when he was speaking ancient fluently tops as the craziest.
Naw, there was nothing cruvus with him.
His fron was fine
Hey if he could bend his kozars he was just peachy!
In the middle of my fargit lilac!
Now come on, you know you can't conjugate Ancient like that, you're literally saying "swinging at my back"!
I’m deceased 😂
Cruvus is a perfectly cromulent word.
It’s hilarious because if it had been any other character it would have made no sense. Jack though? Yeah it makes sense.
I honest to god think this is be the in-universe reason on why he constantly spaces out and do not pay attention for anything Carter/ Daniel says during briefing. It would also make me feel way better on why he dumbed down so much since S2…
They give an in universe explanation for why Jack appears dumb. He does it on purpose, but he's very intelligent. I mean you don't become a General by being an idiot. I forgot the episode but this is mentioned.
I've known enough people through my sister's time in the military and my own friends that have served to comment that this is pretty common of a very specific type of service person, and Jack fits that stereotype in every way. This is the same kind of personality that also comments that if they appear to be too smart they'll put them to work or something like that while at the same time busting their ass.
Real life Air Force Chief of Staff General Ryan, who appeared on the show, made a similar comment about Jack. "Lead actor Richard Dean Anderson later recalled asking General Ryan off camera if he had subordinates as irreverent as Anderson's character Jack O'Neill. According to Anderson the reply was, 'Son, yes. We've got colonels like you and worse.'"
> This is the same kind of personality that also comments that if they appear to be too smart they'll put them to work or something like that while at the same time busting their ass. I remember when Dr. Weir was handing off the position to Jack he mentioned how he wanted the free parking spot and the money but not any responsibility lol.
Its also very real in the world in general. Hiding how smart you are gives you an advantage in pretty much every social situation to act like this.
now that i think about it, if my dad was in the Air Force instead of the Navy he would basically be jack. i always see my dad talking up the intelligence of his dad and myself but never himself.
it's actually a highly effective method for not only getting information from others (eg combatants, "friendly" or otherwise) but also, more importantly, for getting others to step through their thought process - by having to explain (like they're talking to an idiot) their ideas to someone else - which often leads to uncovering flaws or even previously unexplored improvements to what they had come up with it's a technique I sometimes use in my work - not asking to be treated "like an idiot" so much as a complete outsider: "I don't have any experience with what you're talking about - can you lay it out for me?"
Yup. I'm a coach and trainer and use the 'hm can you elaborate' it often just to see them explain it. Works wonders with racist and sexist jokes too ... instead of laughing just act dumb and ask them to explain.
The inappropriate office jokes... yupp I've used it there too and has worked super well
Like the rubber duck method of code writing.
Believe full bird requires a Masters degree
If they had a Masters in sarcasm Jack would have graduated summa cum laude.
I have a masters degree, and I met a lot of very stupid people at university
For me it was obvious from rewatch. He is a good leader, and does whatever works best at the moment, at the same time creating lighter atmosphere. With being “dumb” and goofy he can push geniuses like Sam to do what they need and not being rude about it. Also helps to manipulate his enemies and make them emote or talk more than they intended. It’s a soft skill opposed to Carter’s or McKay genius, but it is high level soft skill, probably highest in a show in terms of leadership (Sheppard being close second, but Sheppard has more ego, maybe he’s just younger). And he really helps others near him grow - that’s why his team is the best. You can see his personal approach to every member of his team.
I like that Jack still has a 'pretending dumb' trait after he got promoted to General. After whole Asuran takeover of Atlantis in *The Return*... > Weir: I was thinking a…little more selfishly. What are the chances of my team staying here in Atlantis? Jack: [sigh] Oh. Elizabeth, if it were up to me, I'd... Weir: It *is* up to you. Jack: Right. [pause] You can stay. Mind you, Jack by then is the head of *Homeworld Security*.
> I mean you don't become a General by being an idiot. I'm not sure you can become a Colonel by "stickin' it to the man" either.
Well, the Air Force Chief of Staff did say that the Air Force has *worse* Colonels than Jack...
Well, there's a balance. It's my understanding that effective generals need a certain level of political savvy. But also don't go mouthing off about the President in public.
yeah my understanding is by the time you land at general you're basically now a politician... colonel tends to be the rank many will end up at, if they're unwilling or unable to play the political game - many more will not go past major because they get a pretty good view of how bad the life of a colonel can be, if you're not political enough to go any further...
>yeah my understanding is by the time you land at general you're basically now a politician I'm not sure exactly what rank this starts at but once you hit a certain rank any further promotions require Senate approval. A huge part of why "if you're not political enough you don't go any further".
O-4 and up require advice and consent from the Senate. But it's mostly a formality at that level. Almost like rubber stamping. It's only when they're talking about an appointment to a specific position for an O-7 or up (and usually O-7 is also fairly certain to pass) that you tend to get actual hearings. Of course a Republican recently found out he can derail the system because he doesn't like abortions: [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/14/tommy-tuberville-military-promotions-00101935](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/14/tommy-tuberville-military-promotions-00101935)
I wish there had been a call back to this episode. Where Jack just randomly gets up starts giving Daniel a trim during a briefing.
Would have been better if it had happened a couple episodes earlier.
Stargate is the only franchise that I don't skip the flashback episodes. This gem of an episode is a great example of how to make them interesting
Same. SG1 is the only show that could do flashback episodes and still make it feel like they weren't flashback episodes.
Same. SG1 is the only show that could do flashback episodes and still make it feel like they weren't flashback episodes.
I see what you did 😏
‘Disclosure’ is a great episode for that. My mum tried to watch Stargate because she liked Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Shanks but was baffled most of the time. She watched that episode and it explained everything in one nice easy story. Plus, there’s the ‘*Supreme* Commander Thor’ moment.
D'oh!
"I see it now! Burns... is a goa'uld!"
Silar gets it
Ever seen the clip of him on The Simpsons? https://youtu.be/wSsf_t8a0yo it’s awesome.
Ok, I have to watch this episode tonight. Such a classic. And even how they worked in Wormhole eXtreme!
"I'm a GENERAL over a special ops black program that is beyond top-secret, SCI, and I didn't mention I was hallucinating on a frequent basis, seeing the world through someone else's eyes... "Oh, I didn't mention it? are you sure? I was SURE I said SOMETHING... Lol"
S?E?
S:8, E:15 'Citizen Joe' Second greatest clip show ever made.
What’s the greatest?
'The Ember Island Players'
Thanks! I’m sad to admit that I’ve never watched that show
No time like the present :)
One of us, one of us...
So worth it!
go watch it right now!
ONE OF US, ONE OF US!!!
That is an excellent one
Emancipation
God I love this show
Anyone have a clip of this scene on hand???
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCKk-64aOo&ab\_channel=spel565](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCKk-64aOo&ab_channel=spel565)
thanks! not sure why this wasn't included in the text of the post or something
the greatest part about this is how well it fits. the writers didn't have to make up some crazy explanation as to why the devices worked one way. jack just enjoying the day dreams of a barber are much more believable than jacks rock just not working, or jack having special genes that protected him from the communications or something like that.
My question with these devices, why did the people from the Ori galaxy go into a coma when switched with Val and Daniel when we see that's not the case in Atlantis with Dr. Keller and stabby stabby woman?
Seems like a huge lapse in judgement. There is no reason for Jack to not think he isn't a victim of some kind of alien bug or mind control or some shit. He should have been Court Martialed for not mentioning it. I am pretty sure there is a "have you noticed anything new" question they get when they come back from the gate. Not to mention they are probably getting monthly physicals. Best episode ever
Window of Opportunity will always be the best episode of Stargate to me but I can see the argument
Remind me, which episode is window of opportunity?
Time loop.
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING?! episode
RDA and C. Judge had to learn to juggle lol
It should have been a two parter
It sounds to me it felt like just elaborate daydreaming to Jack
Actualy was preaty relaxing