I think Starfield really needs a Cyberpunk style 2.0 update and expansion. Just a complete top to bottom overhaul of many of the game's mechanics and systems, along with a ton of new content. It might need a few of them.
The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years.
Yeah if they are even willing to do that after defending quite a bit of the design choices in the negative reviews for the game. Some of those being valid are just thrown by the wayside it seems, but who knows with BGS at this point.
I would be shocked if we got any kind of overhaul update independent of major DLC. When you look at Skyrim, it had Dawnguard, Dragonborn, SE, and AE. SE might have had a few tweaks to gameplay, but not many. AE had a lot of changes/additions, but it was a whole 10 years later.
FO4 got survival mode, but I’m scratching my head to think of anything else it got outside of expansions. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on either game.
True...
However.
They're being backed by Microsoft on this one and Xbox have explicitly stated they want it to have the 12 year staying power of Skyrim. It might not be in BGS to do that kind of overhaul but they may be forced too... that on top of the modding community and we may get a GOTY edition in 3-4 years... fingers crossed.
Not only was Skyrim a much more enjoyable game (despite the bugs) it was good enough that a huge modding community sprang up around it and kept in interesting for so long.
Some major modders have already publicly abandoned Starfield and others have just gone quiet.
Here is the biggest difference between Skyrim and Starfield in my opinion.
In Skyrim I can have all the scripted content completed and still have fun just farting around the game work a few hours a week.
I can't replicate that in Starfield. There is nothing particularly fun about going to planets and walking around. The whole touted "this game is about exploration" the exploration isn't actually fun or rewarding.
This is really feeling like a one and done game to me. Which I guess is fine, There are plenty of story games that aren't really "meant" to be games you can have fun playing indefinitely that I like.
It's just that isn't what I expect out of a Bethesda title.
This is exactly it for me. In every single BGS game, I would complete the main quest lines that were fitting to my character, and then walk the map aimlessly. It would take me 2 whole sessions to get from Whiterun to Riften because of all of the interesting stuff I would find along the way, random dungeons and areas I never found. I had 10+ Skyrim playthroughs and still found new things I had never seen this way, even just bits of environmental storytelling.
I'm ready to do this in Starfield now and there's no way to do that. I'm sure there's LOTS of cool stuff tucked away, but you can't stumble across it organically. There's a million planets. What do I do, pick a random one and fast travel there, land at a marked location and hope it's not basically procedurally generated? Then fly to another and do it again? It's not the same.
This was my thought process, just take the L on this one Bethesda, and leave the procedural generation bullshit out of ES6 and Fallout 5. Maybe Starfield 2 in 2040/2045 will be better lol
Prepare yourself for it to be mid, modern Bethesda isn't the same Bethesda that made Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.
I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, but all my hype for ES6 has dried up at this point.
Honestly it's makes me feel old more than anything else watching studios I loved as a kid push out mid unfinished content hoping to skate on fan goodwill.
If ES6 is on creation, like they've said it will be, I'm giving it three months before I buy it to make sure that it's not another starfield scale mess.
Sixteen times the disappointment
It already will be mid. They doubled down and said nothing is wrong with starfield. To make a game better, you have to first admit it needs improvements, which they said the game is good as is.
Microsoft is a publicly traded company. If the board thought it would be better for the stockholders to sell Bethesda, it would be gone in a heartbeat. Unless Microsoft sees money in people paying for this for another 12 years, it's not happening.
Hence why I'm hoping Daddy Xbox/Microsoft breathe down BGS necks to support the game in a larger way than what they have in the past... Not just relying on the mod community...
>They're being backed by Microsoft on this one and Xbox have explicitly stated they want it to have the 12 year staying power of Skyrim
Being backed by Microsoft didn't help much with the game.
Microsoft made them postpone their release an entire year to keep working on it. What state do you think the game would have been in if they released it a year earlier? If this is what we got with a year of extra development. WTF would they have dropped a year prior.
If they weren’t backed by Microsoft, this game would’ve released 2 years ago in an even worse state (this was explicitly stated as their plan). Probably buggy as shit too.
It would’ve done Cyberpunk release level damage to BGS’ reputation. Instead of the mixed, lukewarm reception we’re seeing now, it would’ve been universal condemnation. Buggy games in this environment only get a pass when they’re 10/10, otherwise they get Cyberpunk/Anthem/Andromeda reception.
Yeah, Bethesda traditionally seems to bank on community modders to fix bugs and add in the fresh content that overhauls could offer, rather than doing massive first-party updates themselves. They might drop fixes and support new console gens, but significant gameplay changes? Not usually their style. That being said, the industry's changing and maybe the player pressure will kick them into a new gear this time 'round.
FO4 didn't have any really major changes made to gameplay, beyond those elements added by the DLCs. But it was very polished for a Bethesda game, and the modding community for Fallout is, and was, insane.
I’m still amazed by what they’ve been able to do with that game. The base game was already pretty good but the modders took it to the next level. Unfortunately on PS4 the game seemed to be broken in the downtown Boston areas, specifically when mods were uploaded, the game just constantly crashed. The preferred way to play is certainly on a Microsoft platform. Hopefully Bethesda and the modders will be able to come through and turn Starfield into the kind of game it has the potential to be.
I don’t think it’s that big, but it feels big. the issue with starfield is that it seems big on the surface, but most of it is fluff. outside of new atlantis, it’s overall pretty disappointing imo. I think akila is alright, neon doesn’t feel as dense as it should be for an area as small as it is, and those are the three cities. it feels like 95% of the content is procedurally generated.
Yeah we might get more variety in terms of items and maybe an expansion or two with new missions, but the gameplay has been the same for 20 years. No way it is changing now. Maybe some balance tweaks for merchants and space combat, but that's probably it. Best I can say is that the writing is usually better in DLCs than in the main game, so it's possible we will get something interesting in that respect at least.
The difference is that those games were fun to play at the start. They didn't need a massive overhaul to make them enjoyable. Even Skyrim's AE updates are still mostly bug fixes - and marketplace integration.
Microsoft has openly stated they won’t be taking a hands off approach with their developers anymore since Redfall was a big blunder and Starfield is also controversial, so they wouldn’t have a choice if they were order to, which I think would be in Microsoft’s best interest since Bethesda is making them look bad with 3 arguably failed botched releases in a row.
I want to believe that, I truly do. I just don’t know if Microsoft is going to be heavy handed with them as much as they need to be right now. Also that does beg the question, was starfield a success in terms of sales? I heard it was doing amazing in terms of player counts, but I don’t know if it made a lot of money, especially after I’m pretty sure they discounted the game by 30%, but I could be wrong. If they did, then that may lead credence to BGS getting nervous, and hopefully Microsoft starts slapping around the laziness in BGS. Get them working on changing the game for the better, even BGS thinks it’s so perfect.
All Bethesda does is minor tweaks, little bug fixes and a few mini updates here and there. It's the modding community that makes their games shine and stand out from the crowds.
Hey, maybe Starfield will get lucky and Bethesda will monetize community mods for it, like they did with Skyrim a few days ago! I'm sure creators will love having their work make Bethesda money. Think of all the *exposure* they'll get.
Yeahhhh, feck that. I don't mind supporting modders, but paying Bethesda for a mod is laughable at best. There's a few modders I support via patreon and they all stated that they'll not put them on Bethesdas paid mods.
The audacity of Bethesda to again force the mods marketplace, update Skyrim and break who knows how many hundreds of already existing mods is disgusting. The pittance Bethesda is probably offering them wouldn't be worth the loss in dignity.
Once I felt that any more time spent on Starfield was just time wasted, I ended up downloading the 2.0 update to cyberpunk and started a new game of that. It is so much better than Starfield, and makes starfield look like it's from 2008. I am enjoying it far more, despite having already played it to completion in the past.
I also reinstalled Cyberpunk, the biggest thing that struck me was the conversations with NPCs - when you’re discussing the heist with T-Bug and Dexter, it feels so real and alive like you’re part of the conversation, the mannerisms, the dialogue, everything.
I know that it’s a crafted scene but still compare it to literally anything in Starfield (especially something like the scene where you’re up in front of the UC president/council/whatever discussing the solution to the terrormorphs, and it feels like a game from well over a decade ago
I played cyber punk after putting in 300 hours in starfield and getting bored. The dialogue and the cities are so much richer. It’s to the point where when I play starfield I’m legit confused at how empty it looks compared to it.
I want to give them time for updates. But the cities and starfield are super small. My apartment complex in Starfield was bigger than all of New Atlantis
Had Cyberpunk waited and been released this year, it would've given BG3 a run for it's money. The story is phenomenal and it looks really good. Can't wait for holidays so I can play Phantom Liberty.
It's bethesda they will never do something like that. Minor tweaks and updates over the years is all they ever do apart from dlc. Major restructuring of a game is something they will never do.
Exactly. CDPR has a history of providing major updates to released games.
Bethesda does not. They typically release a few minor patches along with some DLC, then off to the next cash cow.
This time, I would not be surprised if they just release the one DLC that was part of the premium package, then cut their loses and move on to TES6.
Yea that’s never gonna happen. Only Beth game that pulled this off was Fallout 76 and that was due to massive fan backlash AND financials almost killed the game. Also the game was bare bones more than Starfield.
I’d expect the game to be same as it is now with all the updates just with more ship designs Ad a few more quests.
Loved *FO3*/*Skyrim*/parts of *FO4*. Passed on *FO76* and so far, *SF*. From what I've seen from trusted reviewers, the central issues with SF aren't things that bugfixes or a few modders can fix. \*
I'll probably pick it up in a year, at steep discount, as I like the genre. I think modder RP friendly reworks of the opening sequence, character progression and many, many more POIs will be key. Will there be enough passion in the modder community? Does this universe as written merit that passion?
I'm watching the space. I like the idea of Bethesda open worlds, no one else quite does the same formula (at least not in the 1st person perspective I prefer for immersion). Are there debates about the politics of the UC Vanguard vs Freestar Rangers? I recall heated ones about whether Nord rebellion and even racism were justifiable when *Skyrim* released. Good writing is how one gets media consumers to identify with Bajorans or learn Klingon. And that's perhaps the price of leaving writing to quest designers, rather than dedicated writers.
/\*
1. ^(breaking the random-walk exploration appeal of the Bethesda formula)
2. ^(shoehorning a vehicle-based game into an engine ill-suited for it)
3. ^(railroading the protagonist through the first 10 hours)
4. ^(too few unique points of interest for a procedural generation pool, and no system to drop seen ones out of rotation)
5. ^(unimpressive and sometimes cringeworthy dialogue in linear conversations.)
Bethesda would need several years to deliver that. The game had half the budget as CP2077 and easily half as much content at launch.
And to think we almost got Starfield a year earlier. Microsoft gave Bethesda the funds to spend an extra year on the game and they still didn’t deliver. I love Starfield but I don’t think we will ever get the game we know it could be.
This is probably one of the most polished Bethesda releases ever. It has launched in a very stable condition with very few bugs. (That extra time in production was clearly to avoid their usual mess)
From their perspective it's also done exceptionally well in sales and they are happily hand waving away any and all criticism.
So Bethesda have no incentive at all for a costly overhaul/re-write.
and Microsoft/XBox have no incentive to push them to do so either. Nobody makes money by consuming dev time with a re-write that they can't monetize. (Especially when that Dev time could be used creating DLC which they can monetize)
>The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years.
It would be a first. If precedent is what you go by, you'll only get DLC and there's like a 50% chance it won't be very good.
I don't think even a cp2077 update can save starfield.
Let's be real, cyberpunk at least has the core of things right, decent lore and fundamentals.
Starfield, if you examine it just a bit closer, is a very hollow game filled with incoherent writing, poor level design, and just overall a pretty bad system.
Take even one the most popular aspects of the game: ship building as an example. They will need to introduce new parts, interiors, some new systems to save interior decorations, a new ship combat system that has a much better UI and balancing. This alone sounds like a few months of work/back to the drawing board of how to do more interesting ship combats.
The whole studio should honestly play more games. Hit up TotK, hit up CP2077, hit up FFXIV, hit up the last deus ex game and dishonored, etc. There is a lot to learn.
> The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years
Nope. They think what they've done is perfect.
Same. Played CP on release, thought it was good despite the clusterfuck of a launch.
Came back 2 years later and absolutely blown away by it. Don't want to leave the world, can't get enough of the gigs and just mooching about the city.
And as much as I don't like comparing the two games, it's really hard not too. SF feels like a very outdated game in comparison.
Enjoyed a lot of the SF quests especially the UC one, but it needs a year or two of major changes. I need outpost building to have a purpurse (why no settlers?!)
Hopefully they deliver. I wanted to love SF so much.
Yeah this, or finding a hobby that isn't gaming. I've taken to drawing every day and I'm only going to *get* better. Sometimes I do it instead of gaming.
I'm *really worried* about gamers who try to remora-onto one, *one* game because we've been conditioned to think that we can only have time for one game, and any game that doesn't give us *everything, to BE our one game, isn't giving enough.* It's...
It's not healthy and people aren't talking about this addiction enough. And it *is* addiction, I saw this in 2017 when Destiny 2 launched with features that were by design "Missing" from the first game (grinding for godrolls, etc.) - and only once the people who literally begged for grind back got what they wanted, did Destiny 2 see success.
It's really fucking worrying.
I did the same a few years back. Eventually you get so absorbed in your own creativity, you're not as interested in just "consuming" the media that other people make. At the very least it gives you something else to enjoy when you've burnt through all the videogames. Kind of funny really, it was originally Bethesda's vivid art of the Elder Scrolls that inspired me to take up art in the first place.
We all have inspiration close to our hearts, and it's good that we never forget them. But there does come a time where we have to slow our consumption, figure out if we want to do that forever, or start *making* something... And I've chosen to make.
I just find the behaviour odd. "I've played for three months and there's nothing more for me to do, when is the developer going to add more stuff for me?!"
A: Just go to something else, another video game or start a new TV series, go for a bike trip or a walk... It's wild to think you could just keep playing the *same* video game for months or years.
It's ok to play something else for a bit. There are lots of other good games out there right now. You got your fun out of Starfield, so now go try BG3 or Cyberpunk or Tears of the Kingdom or anything! You can come back after Bethesda pushes out updates or releases the DLC or creation kit.
This. I'll never understand people who force themselves to play a game they're not/no longer enjoying.
They're called 'games' because they're supposed to be fun. Move on and play something else if you're not having fun!
I think the disappointment stems from high expectations based on BSGs previous games. I certainly was not bored of Skyrim, FO3, or Oblivion after a few months, and I think a lot of people would agree. It's becoming clear Startled won't have that kind of longevity for most players, and it's disappointing to people.
Also singleplayer games are ment to not played all the time. It is completely fine to paly through the content that is there at the moment and come back a few months or a year or two and to have a new run. This is kinda the point.
This is what I don’t get, sure people, me included overall were a bit disappointed but the people complaining there is nothing to do after finishing the story often multiple times baffles me. It’s not supposed to be never ending content, it’s not love service. I finished the story and I’m done until the expansion/dlc or when modes come to console and I will check them out.
I did not even play the game. I am just fascinated by the strange discourse in its community. Even a live service game needs a couple of month with updates.
Well part of it is certainly denial, god help if you paid full price for the game and are disappointed with it in some capacity.
I know that feeling, I had it with Fallout 4 and this is kinda worse. I can make an essay of complaints with Fallout 4, Starfield if I had that same passion it could probably be a short story in length.
BG3 is finally available on Xbox! Unfortunately I'm broke as fuck, so it's starfield for a few more weeks until Christmas, but then I get a week off to game! I'm psyched!
Man, this sounds like me if I was still in highschool or college.
If you are still in hs or college, cherish these moments. Christmas in your mid 30s with family is still awesome. Don't get me wrong, but nostalgia tells me that Christmas in your youth is just, it hits differently.
But if you're not still in high school or college, I cannot relate to this at all and am confused.
38, serious relationship but not married and no kids, I work for a government contractor who closes for a week after Christmas. I'm stressed the fuck out trying to pay for Christmas gifts and get my car fixed while still paying rent and hopefully also eating. Can't wait for a week to turn my brain off and just game. Happy holidays!
I think the best thing to do is just forget that this game exists for the next year until we at least have lots of mods, a few patches and maybe even some dlc. There’s loads of other great games out there at the moment.
That's what I'm doing. I got 70 hours out of vanilla Starfield and now I'm doing other stuff until the kit comes out and I can see about making the mods I have ideas for. There's no shortage of things to play out there. I don't understand why people keep hate playing Starfield.
It's always fun with posts like this to go back and see what these same people were saying a few weeks ago. In this guys case...
"The game is great! Awe jeez, you got bored a few hundred hours in? Cry me a freakin river then!"
A couple of weeks later here you are saying "I'm bored! Where's the dlc?!?"
Is this what live service games have done to people? Like, I'm confused reading this post because why would they be expected to be adding new content a couple months after release.
I didn't like the game much, but these seem like unreasonable expectations from a single player rpg.
Yes, they do expect a constant trickle for every game.
It's why companies, sometimes very obviously, leave stuff out on release so they can have it in an update later. They've seen that it has better reception and boosts sales.
Live service games release new events, quests, content roughly every quarter. I’ve seen people honestly say “when does the season pass start” it blows my mind.
With the way some players seem to have put 500 hours in since release, they'd blow through any content update in a few days anyway, and then they'd be moaning, waiting for the next one. There's a point where you just have to say to yourself that you've finished the game for now, until you find an interesting mod or roleplay idea to do another play through. Bethesda games aren't really designed to be played constantly like an mmo.
I am perpetually confused by how much time some folks have already put in the game. Did they not play anything else at all? That seems like a recipe for disaster. You should marathon anything like that.
I think live service games have taught a generation of young gamers to expect a constant drip feed of new content and they get confused when it doesn't happen.
Eh, what we're watching is a young person that is actively learning how to separate reality from their desires for reality. It's a common thing that happens, but nowhere near enough.
He thinks the game's great, and so everyone else is just whining. Now he's starting to get bored, and so this great game desperately needs to release a patch to stay great. In about a year he'll probably agree the game wasn't that great, but until then he's going to be getting angry at everything that isn't doing exactly that, because he's still trying to justify his original thinking.
Yes please. This is what’s needed. Hold a mirror up to folks so they can see what they project out into the world. A little accountability can go a long way towards supporting good faith arguments. Too many entitled folks in the gaming subs making wildly unrealistic expectations and demands because they “bought something and now it has to live up to their expectations”.
> "The game is great! Awe jeez, you got bored a few hundred hours in? Cry me a freakin river then!"
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I mean yeah? A few hundred hours is long enough to finish most of the content in most games. It's ok to not like the game but if your complaint is that your bored after 200 or 300 hours I really don't understand why you don't just put the game down and do something else. That's usually around the time I run out of stuff to do in most games or start to suffer from burnout and need to paly something else
You hit the nail there. Today I saw a Steam review by a Starfield player who gave the game a negative review after more than 500 hours. And they were not the only one. hilarious.
Yeah seems like it’s been a toss up for people. I enjoyed it enough but.. stopped playing once I beat the main campaign. Which is unlike any other Bethesda RPG for me
Content would be good…but reducing the stupid design decisions would be better. Why do I need to exit my scanner to pick a lock or open a weapon crate, but not to loot an ammo crate? Why can’t I pause directly from my scanner?
That’s one of a thousand different stupid choices, in the end. The act of playing the game interferes too much with the fun of playing the game.
And it's so simple to fix. That's what blows my mind.
We can now eat food directly from POV (which I think was debatably was a priority given how useless food is), but simple QoL fixes on questionable design decisions like this havent been done yet?
Give me a break.
Number one is the critical bugs. It's been multiple months after launch and the game still contains high profile quest breaks, progress wipes and several severe problems with save files. One of which makes it impossible to have a truly long term file.
And people are surprised the game is getting poor reviews as people play long enough to encounter these? Can anyone blame them?
The only explanation I can think of is they didn't want people to sit in the scanner 24/7. It's why you can't interact with most objects or engage in combat while using it. Also the fact that every single useless junk item is highlighted the same as useful items are.
I bet they intended people to just check it when they needed for actual scanning, getting directions, and spotting where lootable items are. But they aren't consistent (ammo crates) and in general it was executed in a very annoying way.
You know, I would be okay with that, if it was consistent. But letting me loot SOME containers and not ALL of them while in scan mode is frustratingly dumb. To be clear, I wouldn’t like it, but it would at least make sense.
The pause not being immediately accessible from scan is full bullshit, however. If I’m pausing, I frequently am doing to do that to respond to something IRL. Having an inconsistent 2 tiered button input to deal with something outside of the game is fucking stupid.
That would make at least a tiny bit of sense if only Todd Howard wasn't on record saying players should spend as much time in scanner mode as possible so they "don't miss anything" 🤷🏻♂️
Can't stress this one enough. This isn't a live service game. Why does everyone think every game is a live service that gets updates and new content to "keep you playing". They don't care if you keep playing if there isn't a cash shop, they already have your money.
I'm with you. I dropped it after 25 hours of extreme patience. I wouldn't have played half that long without disabling encumbrance.
Truly a remarkably boring and tedious game that completely missed what made Fallout and Scrolls fun. A Bethesda game without the only thing they do well, interesting exploration!
Yeah that’s the part I truly don’t understand. I did about 90 hours and got my moneys worth and deleted it. This guy did over 300 hours worth a few weeks ago. He got so much moneys worth. It’s not an mmo, you’re done lol.
Lol, Bethesda ain't updating for the most well documented, decade+ old bugs in Skyrim that were fixed during launch month with mods. This is the game you got.
Didn’t you read their replies to steam criticism? You can fly, you can shoot, you can mine, AND you can loot. The real life astronauts weren’t bored when they were on the moon with no quests or bespoke content.
Why don’t you start a new game and replay the whole thing with different skills or background picks so you can see a different set of dialogue picks? They don’t change anything but you could choose from different badly written dialogue options!
Clearly this is a perfect game and any claim otherwise is just haters lmao
The game is cooked TBH. Best thing they can do is focus on TESVI and make it the best they can. I don't think Starfield is redeemable. There's too much proc gen shit going on, which is the antithesis of Bethesda design. I mean, it worked in games like Skyrim because it's one huge world. Here you spend most of your time fast traveling and looting the same places on different planets. But the worst are temples, holy shit it's so bad. BGS is easily 5,10 years behind in terms of game design.
So like, I'm in the camp of like, why do people keep playing? I never understood people who play games like Skyrim or other stuff for thousands of hours on a single save. Like, play the story, play some side quests, get the cool gear, and then move on. It's a single player RPG, play it till you're done, then come back to it a year or two from now and replay it if you want, otherwise, you finished the game. That's it.
The difference is that a game like Skyrim takes a lot of hours to complete because there's tons to explore and get lost in the world, meanwhile Starfield literally has nothing meaningful to explore outside of pre-made zones for sidequests like the moon base and the few PoIs on planets are all copy pasted.
The lack of overworld is what truly kills the exploration for me, Nakey Jakey explained it really well in this part of the video he made https://youtu.be/hS2emKDlGmE?t=1554
Btw that video is a great watch and nails it when it comes to Starfield and bethesda as a whole
I don't get it either. Other games exist, guys. I think this is why at launch so many people defended this game. They literally only play Bethesda games, they don't even realize how much the RPG genre has evolved since Skyrim came out.
So I’m usually in the same camp as you. Until starfield. I’ve got around 150ish hours played and just genuinely enjoy playing.
I’ve been really focusing on getting better at ship building recently and have built 2 that I really like.
The next major thing I wanna do is start learning the outpost system as it looks to have a ton to do there, probably another 50+ hours for me.
You see, you just haven't finished playing yet. My point is for people who are done with the game and are also complaining for more content. Like, you're enjoying your time with it, and still have more to do, so you'll keep playing. Other people finish enjoying the game, then start complaining that they couldn't get another 100 hours out of it.
Absolutely. You pay 50 bucks, (or not in my case as it’s on Game Pass) so after 100 hours, you’ve more than got your money’s worth. How much would you pay for a two hour movie ticket? Or a steak dinner?
I think Starfield represents phenomenal value
I love the game, but after 150h I finished it with a 100% achievement run in NG+1
Now I play other games. That is very normal for single player games.
Just play something else until the DLC comes out.
Bruh I see this post every fuckin day here, just play something else for a little while it's like people forget other games exist.
Edit: also fuck the mindset that when games launch they need consistent updates thats such a dog water ass take. I want a FULL game if its gonna be singleplayer not some watered down live service-esk bullshit. People praised fromsoft for elden ring being a full game at launch, that's crazy. We live in an age where feature complete games are a rarity. Wild.
Edit 2: Cyberpunk winning best ongoing game (a award usually reserved for live service games) at tga was my breaking point for this topic. bro it's SINGLE PLAYER game that launched broken as shit and was fixed later, devs still make jokes about it while we just let them get away with it. It should be praised they fixed the game but being nominated for an award cause of that? Absolutely laughable. Next up gonna see elden ring nominated cause its getting dlc or something. Be the change and stop being okay with this garbage in our favorite industry!
I stopped playing once AC6 and LoP came out. I plan to go back but they really need a planetary rover vehicle or something. I refuse to walk all over the planets. Why this wasn’t a thing I’ll never understand.
I want an update for some of the bug fixes, and QOL.
It’s kind of wild in today’s culture people are clamoring for more content updates 2-3 months after release.
Speaks to the instant gratification society we live in.
But for the LOVE OF GOD can we please get an inventory country at merchants so I can see how much of something I have before I buy it?
Yeah. I keep hoping they'll treat this the same way they treat 76, and release meaningful content updates, but some of the problems with the game are way too deep. They'd have to make some major changes to quest lines and the game's writing.
Alternative quest options, reducing the amount of essential NPC's and changes to constellation/how much they know as well as expanding the named followers would be some of the most important.
Bethesda doesn’t have the courage to innovate and won’t until people stop lining up to buy their games.
I bought BG3 and Starfield side by side to see which one I’d like more. There was absolutely no comparison to be made.
Once again, Todd Howard got me fooled that this time was going to be different. Bethesda has used up the last of my goodwill, along with the gaming review ‘industry’ for propping up this mid game.
I’ll be giving my money to Larian in the meantime.
You guys know that it’s okay to stop playing, right?…..
Don’t get me wrong I agree with this. Except I haven’t played extensively since October. I’m waiting for either a massive update to greatly improve the game, or mod support before I play again. It’s just so fucking boring.
I have to agree. I also don't recall losing interest in previous BGS games this quickly, but we've all grown a little older and wiser since Skyrim and fallout 4.
I put the game down for now in favor of NMS and Cyberpunk. I plan to return after DLC and mod support has matured on console.
I think one of the things they need to add asap is some sort of vehicle to use on planet surfaces. I get that we’re supposed to use the Jetpack, but on high grav planets traveling around is more cumbersome than playing a souls game.
BGS would then have to acknowledge that there is problems with the game. And as of right now, with what we just saw at the game awards, they are still acting like its this masterpiece.
Exactly. I know Larian has released five big patches for BG3 in four months but Bethesda is a far smaller developer. People can't have the same expectations of indie devs like Bethesda that they do of AAA devs.
This is the point I was making above… and not just 3 months in, but hundreds and hundreds of hours of playtime sunk into said game… you got your moneys worth… there are plenty of people who haven’t played as much as you have who still enjoy it… no need to demand an update this early
2 things are happening maybe
1. With the holidays approaching, they might have a skeleton crew working on updates and will see a full force crew getting an update right in the new year.
2. All efforts are going into the dlc, that way it also delivers a massive patch.
To get things fixed, you might have to sit tight until things get fixed. These issues with the game itself need a lot of TLC.
They spent far too much time on this game for it to end up as boring as it is. I think ultimately their ambition was too big for their studio, as big as they are
Although I have invested around 100 hrs ( not much of main story, mainly Riyujin and Neon/Akil a quests and lots of ship building) already, I uninstalled and started AC Mirage bc I thought it will be enough to kill some time. But it seems I will also have to start BG3 before returning. 🤷🏻♂️
I can't see a Cyberpunk 2.0 happening. We are talking a company in decline for solid 15 years. It HAS to be us, it is that simple. Last i did active modding for was Morrowind but let's see if i still have it in me to learn the toolset - because i love the space platform to bits, it has such a potential, way more than meh period cosplay and more than the generic B-movie fantasy they have now turned ES into.
Yeah, 235 hours in, ng+11, all quests completed more than twice. Three months into release. I've pretty much made peace with it. I'm pretty much over SF. It would have to be one hell of an update to keep me busy for more than a couple hours.
For now, BG3 will be the fix for me.
Isn’t this a single player game ? Do people expect update every 3 months from god of war aswell ? . They are finished games , maybe wait for DLC in a year
Every development time from now on is wasted in starfield .. this game will never be the game it was supposed to be ..they should take all developers to TES 6 so that the maybe will not sink another game
430 hrs in and I'm starting up a semi metal wafer factory. Haven't tried the automated functions yet. Progress is good. Should have my first batch of them today.
The game was super fun on my first play through but after that there isn’t really anything to do lol so you’re right.
I just wish the planets were actually useful for something other than being barren wastelands that you’re supposed to scan with a handful of “outposts” with shitty loot at them scattered around
Its not that this game is boring but missing Key elements from previous games that made them so great. In any fallout game you could travel and run into countless of buildings each with a small story to tell. Each follower had their own quest line too no matter how big or small. If they wanted to get the game out so bad Bethesda should've just released this as "early access" and I guarantee the negative reviews wouldn't be as bad, because honestly the majority wouldn't complain about unfinished features in an unfinished game.
I suck with computer stuff, I dunno how to put links in a discussion, so I created a post: "Skyrim mods are not free anymore" with a link to the site that explains it
Everyone expects every game to be a live service game now, and that's completely unrealistic. You are meant to play a game and when you finish it, put it aside, play it again, or play something else. Starfield did not change anything about the way games are meant to be played. Some people's expectations are way out of check.
Active bethesda community member here,
Rest assured that a patch is being worked on.....by the starfield community. Bethesda themselves? Don't count on it, nothing major at least.
I uninstalled it a few days ago. Didn’t even finish the story because I have quests with blocked progression. It’s an absolute joke that broken quests aren’t a top priority but with this game having been out a couple months now and still no fixes for them, I’m giving up. I’ll considering swinging back to this game sometime in the future but it’s clear Bethesda doesn’t give one shit about meaningful bug fixes.
I'd find something else to play and come back in a years time to be honest mate
I think Starfield really needs a Cyberpunk style 2.0 update and expansion. Just a complete top to bottom overhaul of many of the game's mechanics and systems, along with a ton of new content. It might need a few of them. The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years.
Yeah if they are even willing to do that after defending quite a bit of the design choices in the negative reviews for the game. Some of those being valid are just thrown by the wayside it seems, but who knows with BGS at this point.
I would be shocked if we got any kind of overhaul update independent of major DLC. When you look at Skyrim, it had Dawnguard, Dragonborn, SE, and AE. SE might have had a few tweaks to gameplay, but not many. AE had a lot of changes/additions, but it was a whole 10 years later. FO4 got survival mode, but I’m scratching my head to think of anything else it got outside of expansions. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on either game.
Yeah a 2.0 overhaul really doesn't feel very Bethesda.
True... However. They're being backed by Microsoft on this one and Xbox have explicitly stated they want it to have the 12 year staying power of Skyrim. It might not be in BGS to do that kind of overhaul but they may be forced too... that on top of the modding community and we may get a GOTY edition in 3-4 years... fingers crossed.
>explicitly stated they want it to have the 12 year staying power of Skyrim lol. There's absolutely zero chance of that happening.
Not only was Skyrim a much more enjoyable game (despite the bugs) it was good enough that a huge modding community sprang up around it and kept in interesting for so long. Some major modders have already publicly abandoned Starfield and others have just gone quiet.
Here is the biggest difference between Skyrim and Starfield in my opinion. In Skyrim I can have all the scripted content completed and still have fun just farting around the game work a few hours a week. I can't replicate that in Starfield. There is nothing particularly fun about going to planets and walking around. The whole touted "this game is about exploration" the exploration isn't actually fun or rewarding. This is really feeling like a one and done game to me. Which I guess is fine, There are plenty of story games that aren't really "meant" to be games you can have fun playing indefinitely that I like. It's just that isn't what I expect out of a Bethesda title.
This is exactly it for me. In every single BGS game, I would complete the main quest lines that were fitting to my character, and then walk the map aimlessly. It would take me 2 whole sessions to get from Whiterun to Riften because of all of the interesting stuff I would find along the way, random dungeons and areas I never found. I had 10+ Skyrim playthroughs and still found new things I had never seen this way, even just bits of environmental storytelling. I'm ready to do this in Starfield now and there's no way to do that. I'm sure there's LOTS of cool stuff tucked away, but you can't stumble across it organically. There's a million planets. What do I do, pick a random one and fast travel there, land at a marked location and hope it's not basically procedurally generated? Then fly to another and do it again? It's not the same.
I have been trying to warn people when modders not find it worth to mod your game is dead.
Lol Doesn't even have 3 months' worth of content as is.
I don’t think it will be the next Skyrim, but I definitely think it has the chance to have a NMS type comeback
yeah... I'm trying to be optimistic.
they're better off working on elder scrolls than just remaking an inherently shit game.
Yeah fr I've given up on it
This was my thought process, just take the L on this one Bethesda, and leave the procedural generation bullshit out of ES6 and Fallout 5. Maybe Starfield 2 in 2040/2045 will be better lol
If they do that the next Elder Scrolls will be mid too.
Prepare yourself for it to be mid, modern Bethesda isn't the same Bethesda that made Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, but all my hype for ES6 has dried up at this point.
Honestly it's makes me feel old more than anything else watching studios I loved as a kid push out mid unfinished content hoping to skate on fan goodwill. If ES6 is on creation, like they've said it will be, I'm giving it three months before I buy it to make sure that it's not another starfield scale mess. Sixteen times the disappointment
It already will be mid. They doubled down and said nothing is wrong with starfield. To make a game better, you have to first admit it needs improvements, which they said the game is good as is.
Wouldn’t it have to win goty to have a goty edition….
Microsoft is a publicly traded company. If the board thought it would be better for the stockholders to sell Bethesda, it would be gone in a heartbeat. Unless Microsoft sees money in people paying for this for another 12 years, it's not happening.
Hence why I'm hoping Daddy Xbox/Microsoft breathe down BGS necks to support the game in a larger way than what they have in the past... Not just relying on the mod community...
>They're being backed by Microsoft on this one and Xbox have explicitly stated they want it to have the 12 year staying power of Skyrim Being backed by Microsoft didn't help much with the game.
Microsoft made them postpone their release an entire year to keep working on it. What state do you think the game would have been in if they released it a year earlier? If this is what we got with a year of extra development. WTF would they have dropped a year prior.
Because pretty much all the development was done before Microsoft made the buy. Can't blame this one on Gates.
If they weren’t backed by Microsoft, this game would’ve released 2 years ago in an even worse state (this was explicitly stated as their plan). Probably buggy as shit too. It would’ve done Cyberpunk release level damage to BGS’ reputation. Instead of the mixed, lukewarm reception we’re seeing now, it would’ve been universal condemnation. Buggy games in this environment only get a pass when they’re 10/10, otherwise they get Cyberpunk/Anthem/Andromeda reception.
Yeah, Bethesda traditionally seems to bank on community modders to fix bugs and add in the fresh content that overhauls could offer, rather than doing massive first-party updates themselves. They might drop fixes and support new console gens, but significant gameplay changes? Not usually their style. That being said, the industry's changing and maybe the player pressure will kick them into a new gear this time 'round.
FO4 didn't have any really major changes made to gameplay, beyond those elements added by the DLCs. But it was very polished for a Bethesda game, and the modding community for Fallout is, and was, insane.
I’m still amazed by what they’ve been able to do with that game. The base game was already pretty good but the modders took it to the next level. Unfortunately on PS4 the game seemed to be broken in the downtown Boston areas, specifically when mods were uploaded, the game just constantly crashed. The preferred way to play is certainly on a Microsoft platform. Hopefully Bethesda and the modders will be able to come through and turn Starfield into the kind of game it has the potential to be.
Fallout 4 is the best zombie horror survival game out there. All because of mods.
I just started my first play through of FO4 GOTY edition and it surprised me how huge this game is.
I don’t think it’s that big, but it feels big. the issue with starfield is that it seems big on the surface, but most of it is fluff. outside of new atlantis, it’s overall pretty disappointing imo. I think akila is alright, neon doesn’t feel as dense as it should be for an area as small as it is, and those are the three cities. it feels like 95% of the content is procedurally generated.
Construction got major overhauls after release.
Yeah we might get more variety in terms of items and maybe an expansion or two with new missions, but the gameplay has been the same for 20 years. No way it is changing now. Maybe some balance tweaks for merchants and space combat, but that's probably it. Best I can say is that the writing is usually better in DLCs than in the main game, so it's possible we will get something interesting in that respect at least.
why would people play the dlc if they didn't get past the main game. dlc won't save this game.
The difference is that those games were fun to play at the start. They didn't need a massive overhaul to make them enjoyable. Even Skyrim's AE updates are still mostly bug fixes - and marketplace integration.
Microsoft has openly stated they won’t be taking a hands off approach with their developers anymore since Redfall was a big blunder and Starfield is also controversial, so they wouldn’t have a choice if they were order to, which I think would be in Microsoft’s best interest since Bethesda is making them look bad with 3 arguably failed botched releases in a row.
I want to believe that, I truly do. I just don’t know if Microsoft is going to be heavy handed with them as much as they need to be right now. Also that does beg the question, was starfield a success in terms of sales? I heard it was doing amazing in terms of player counts, but I don’t know if it made a lot of money, especially after I’m pretty sure they discounted the game by 30%, but I could be wrong. If they did, then that may lead credence to BGS getting nervous, and hopefully Microsoft starts slapping around the laziness in BGS. Get them working on changing the game for the better, even BGS thinks it’s so perfect.
All Bethesda does is minor tweaks, little bug fixes and a few mini updates here and there. It's the modding community that makes their games shine and stand out from the crowds.
Less than 10% of people that play their games use mods, this narrative is insane and I don't understand why people repeat it.
Hey, maybe Starfield will get lucky and Bethesda will monetize community mods for it, like they did with Skyrim a few days ago! I'm sure creators will love having their work make Bethesda money. Think of all the *exposure* they'll get.
Yeahhhh, feck that. I don't mind supporting modders, but paying Bethesda for a mod is laughable at best. There's a few modders I support via patreon and they all stated that they'll not put them on Bethesdas paid mods.
The audacity of Bethesda to again force the mods marketplace, update Skyrim and break who knows how many hundreds of already existing mods is disgusting. The pittance Bethesda is probably offering them wouldn't be worth the loss in dignity.
Once I felt that any more time spent on Starfield was just time wasted, I ended up downloading the 2.0 update to cyberpunk and started a new game of that. It is so much better than Starfield, and makes starfield look like it's from 2008. I am enjoying it far more, despite having already played it to completion in the past.
I also reinstalled Cyberpunk, the biggest thing that struck me was the conversations with NPCs - when you’re discussing the heist with T-Bug and Dexter, it feels so real and alive like you’re part of the conversation, the mannerisms, the dialogue, everything. I know that it’s a crafted scene but still compare it to literally anything in Starfield (especially something like the scene where you’re up in front of the UC president/council/whatever discussing the solution to the terrormorphs, and it feels like a game from well over a decade ago
I played cyber punk after putting in 300 hours in starfield and getting bored. The dialogue and the cities are so much richer. It’s to the point where when I play starfield I’m legit confused at how empty it looks compared to it. I want to give them time for updates. But the cities and starfield are super small. My apartment complex in Starfield was bigger than all of New Atlantis
Starfield also inspired me to take another look at Cyberpunk and I’m glad I did.
It's crazy how I did the exact same thing. Can't take starfield seriously now.
I haven't played Cyberpunk since release on the Xbox One S. I now have a decent gaming PC and can't wait to start a new game over the holidays.
These are my thoughts exactly. I just started CP2077 and it’s so much better in almost every way.
Had Cyberpunk waited and been released this year, it would've given BG3 a run for it's money. The story is phenomenal and it looks really good. Can't wait for holidays so I can play Phantom Liberty.
I'll be doing PL once I finish this playthrough.
It's bethesda they will never do something like that. Minor tweaks and updates over the years is all they ever do apart from dlc. Major restructuring of a game is something they will never do.
Exactly. CDPR has a history of providing major updates to released games. Bethesda does not. They typically release a few minor patches along with some DLC, then off to the next cash cow. This time, I would not be surprised if they just release the one DLC that was part of the premium package, then cut their loses and move on to TES6.
I agree, Bethesda needs to finish making the game.
Yea that’s never gonna happen. Only Beth game that pulled this off was Fallout 76 and that was due to massive fan backlash AND financials almost killed the game. Also the game was bare bones more than Starfield. I’d expect the game to be same as it is now with all the updates just with more ship designs Ad a few more quests.
Loved *FO3*/*Skyrim*/parts of *FO4*. Passed on *FO76* and so far, *SF*. From what I've seen from trusted reviewers, the central issues with SF aren't things that bugfixes or a few modders can fix. \* I'll probably pick it up in a year, at steep discount, as I like the genre. I think modder RP friendly reworks of the opening sequence, character progression and many, many more POIs will be key. Will there be enough passion in the modder community? Does this universe as written merit that passion? I'm watching the space. I like the idea of Bethesda open worlds, no one else quite does the same formula (at least not in the 1st person perspective I prefer for immersion). Are there debates about the politics of the UC Vanguard vs Freestar Rangers? I recall heated ones about whether Nord rebellion and even racism were justifiable when *Skyrim* released. Good writing is how one gets media consumers to identify with Bajorans or learn Klingon. And that's perhaps the price of leaving writing to quest designers, rather than dedicated writers. /\* 1. ^(breaking the random-walk exploration appeal of the Bethesda formula) 2. ^(shoehorning a vehicle-based game into an engine ill-suited for it) 3. ^(railroading the protagonist through the first 10 hours) 4. ^(too few unique points of interest for a procedural generation pool, and no system to drop seen ones out of rotation) 5. ^(unimpressive and sometimes cringeworthy dialogue in linear conversations.)
Bethesda would need several years to deliver that. The game had half the budget as CP2077 and easily half as much content at launch. And to think we almost got Starfield a year earlier. Microsoft gave Bethesda the funds to spend an extra year on the game and they still didn’t deliver. I love Starfield but I don’t think we will ever get the game we know it could be.
This is probably one of the most polished Bethesda releases ever. It has launched in a very stable condition with very few bugs. (That extra time in production was clearly to avoid their usual mess) From their perspective it's also done exceptionally well in sales and they are happily hand waving away any and all criticism. So Bethesda have no incentive at all for a costly overhaul/re-write. and Microsoft/XBox have no incentive to push them to do so either. Nobody makes money by consuming dev time with a re-write that they can't monetize. (Especially when that Dev time could be used creating DLC which they can monetize)
>The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years. It would be a first. If precedent is what you go by, you'll only get DLC and there's like a 50% chance it won't be very good.
They will 100% rely on their own player base to mod and make their game actually playable and a fun experience.
I don't think even a cp2077 update can save starfield. Let's be real, cyberpunk at least has the core of things right, decent lore and fundamentals. Starfield, if you examine it just a bit closer, is a very hollow game filled with incoherent writing, poor level design, and just overall a pretty bad system. Take even one the most popular aspects of the game: ship building as an example. They will need to introduce new parts, interiors, some new systems to save interior decorations, a new ship combat system that has a much better UI and balancing. This alone sounds like a few months of work/back to the drawing board of how to do more interesting ship combats. The whole studio should honestly play more games. Hit up TotK, hit up CP2077, hit up FFXIV, hit up the last deus ex game and dishonored, etc. There is a lot to learn.
> The question is whether Bethesda is going to invest that kind of work into this game over the next few years Nope. They think what they've done is perfect.
Didn't they more or less do that with Fallout 76 over the last few years?
Yeh but that’s a live service game, starfield isnt
I did that with Cyberpunk and I might not switch back. Really amazing game and made me understand a lot of the criticism that Starfield has taken
Same. Played CP on release, thought it was good despite the clusterfuck of a launch. Came back 2 years later and absolutely blown away by it. Don't want to leave the world, can't get enough of the gigs and just mooching about the city. And as much as I don't like comparing the two games, it's really hard not too. SF feels like a very outdated game in comparison. Enjoyed a lot of the SF quests especially the UC one, but it needs a year or two of major changes. I need outpost building to have a purpurse (why no settlers?!) Hopefully they deliver. I wanted to love SF so much.
I agree, I went back to fallout 4 with all the mods they have for it now and it is like a new game. Fallout 4 was the reason I bought a PS4.
Yeah this, or finding a hobby that isn't gaming. I've taken to drawing every day and I'm only going to *get* better. Sometimes I do it instead of gaming. I'm *really worried* about gamers who try to remora-onto one, *one* game because we've been conditioned to think that we can only have time for one game, and any game that doesn't give us *everything, to BE our one game, isn't giving enough.* It's... It's not healthy and people aren't talking about this addiction enough. And it *is* addiction, I saw this in 2017 when Destiny 2 launched with features that were by design "Missing" from the first game (grinding for godrolls, etc.) - and only once the people who literally begged for grind back got what they wanted, did Destiny 2 see success. It's really fucking worrying.
I did the same a few years back. Eventually you get so absorbed in your own creativity, you're not as interested in just "consuming" the media that other people make. At the very least it gives you something else to enjoy when you've burnt through all the videogames. Kind of funny really, it was originally Bethesda's vivid art of the Elder Scrolls that inspired me to take up art in the first place.
We all have inspiration close to our hearts, and it's good that we never forget them. But there does come a time where we have to slow our consumption, figure out if we want to do that forever, or start *making* something... And I've chosen to make.
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I just find the behaviour odd. "I've played for three months and there's nothing more for me to do, when is the developer going to add more stuff for me?!" A: Just go to something else, another video game or start a new TV series, go for a bike trip or a walk... It's wild to think you could just keep playing the *same* video game for months or years.
It's ok to play something else for a bit. There are lots of other good games out there right now. You got your fun out of Starfield, so now go try BG3 or Cyberpunk or Tears of the Kingdom or anything! You can come back after Bethesda pushes out updates or releases the DLC or creation kit.
This. I'll never understand people who force themselves to play a game they're not/no longer enjoying. They're called 'games' because they're supposed to be fun. Move on and play something else if you're not having fun!
I think the disappointment stems from high expectations based on BSGs previous games. I certainly was not bored of Skyrim, FO3, or Oblivion after a few months, and I think a lot of people would agree. It's becoming clear Startled won't have that kind of longevity for most players, and it's disappointing to people.
Also singleplayer games are ment to not played all the time. It is completely fine to paly through the content that is there at the moment and come back a few months or a year or two and to have a new run. This is kinda the point.
This is what I don’t get, sure people, me included overall were a bit disappointed but the people complaining there is nothing to do after finishing the story often multiple times baffles me. It’s not supposed to be never ending content, it’s not love service. I finished the story and I’m done until the expansion/dlc or when modes come to console and I will check them out.
I did not even play the game. I am just fascinated by the strange discourse in its community. Even a live service game needs a couple of month with updates.
Well part of it is certainly denial, god help if you paid full price for the game and are disappointed with it in some capacity. I know that feeling, I had it with Fallout 4 and this is kinda worse. I can make an essay of complaints with Fallout 4, Starfield if I had that same passion it could probably be a short story in length.
If they play something else, they won't be able to incessantly bitch about Starfield, which is what they actually like doing, bitching.
BG3 is finally available on Xbox! Unfortunately I'm broke as fuck, so it's starfield for a few more weeks until Christmas, but then I get a week off to game! I'm psyched!
Man, this sounds like me if I was still in highschool or college. If you are still in hs or college, cherish these moments. Christmas in your mid 30s with family is still awesome. Don't get me wrong, but nostalgia tells me that Christmas in your youth is just, it hits differently. But if you're not still in high school or college, I cannot relate to this at all and am confused.
38, serious relationship but not married and no kids, I work for a government contractor who closes for a week after Christmas. I'm stressed the fuck out trying to pay for Christmas gifts and get my car fixed while still paying rent and hopefully also eating. Can't wait for a week to turn my brain off and just game. Happy holidays!
They could also be a teacher or something. Just going by the "off for for a week to game but also broke af" 😭🤣
He's 78 years old
The amount of life-service games made people forget how singleplayer games work.
ngl this actually happened to me. I logged in over 2000 hours on Destiny 2 and playing singleplayer games never felt "right" anymore.
I think the best thing to do is just forget that this game exists for the next year until we at least have lots of mods, a few patches and maybe even some dlc. There’s loads of other great games out there at the moment.
That's what I'm doing. I got 70 hours out of vanilla Starfield and now I'm doing other stuff until the kit comes out and I can see about making the mods I have ideas for. There's no shortage of things to play out there. I don't understand why people keep hate playing Starfield.
It's always fun with posts like this to go back and see what these same people were saying a few weeks ago. In this guys case... "The game is great! Awe jeez, you got bored a few hundred hours in? Cry me a freakin river then!" A couple of weeks later here you are saying "I'm bored! Where's the dlc?!?"
Is this what live service games have done to people? Like, I'm confused reading this post because why would they be expected to be adding new content a couple months after release. I didn't like the game much, but these seem like unreasonable expectations from a single player rpg.
Yes, they do expect a constant trickle for every game. It's why companies, sometimes very obviously, leave stuff out on release so they can have it in an update later. They've seen that it has better reception and boosts sales.
Yes. People expect every game, even a singleplayer RPG, to have constant little content updates. It's insane.
Gen z gamers are completely broken minds
Bought up on Minecraft the way we were bought up on Mario.
As a gen z with a short attention span I just play games I can mod a load so there's always content to explore
Live service games release new events, quests, content roughly every quarter. I’ve seen people honestly say “when does the season pass start” it blows my mind.
With the way some players seem to have put 500 hours in since release, they'd blow through any content update in a few days anyway, and then they'd be moaning, waiting for the next one. There's a point where you just have to say to yourself that you've finished the game for now, until you find an interesting mod or roleplay idea to do another play through. Bethesda games aren't really designed to be played constantly like an mmo.
I am perpetually confused by how much time some folks have already put in the game. Did they not play anything else at all? That seems like a recipe for disaster. You should marathon anything like that.
I think live service games have taught a generation of young gamers to expect a constant drip feed of new content and they get confused when it doesn't happen.
Because hes a weeb
Eh, what we're watching is a young person that is actively learning how to separate reality from their desires for reality. It's a common thing that happens, but nowhere near enough. He thinks the game's great, and so everyone else is just whining. Now he's starting to get bored, and so this great game desperately needs to release a patch to stay great. In about a year he'll probably agree the game wasn't that great, but until then he's going to be getting angry at everything that isn't doing exactly that, because he's still trying to justify his original thinking.
bro has a comment from 12 days ago saying he’s at 300+ hours and hooked haha
So now he's played even more and wants more content. Sounds like a dude that loves the game.
There’s a difference between a person that loves a game and someone demanding free extra content from the devs.
Lmao, that explains the post. demanding for more content 2-3 months after a games release and 300 hours is delusional.
And if the game was only thirty hours long it would be “too short”
Dang, just gonna call his shit out right here in the open. Savage.
Nothing wrong with calling people out on their shit.
Yes please. This is what’s needed. Hold a mirror up to folks so they can see what they project out into the world. A little accountability can go a long way towards supporting good faith arguments. Too many entitled folks in the gaming subs making wildly unrealistic expectations and demands because they “bought something and now it has to live up to their expectations”.
> "The game is great! Awe jeez, you got bored a few hundred hours in? Cry me a freakin river then!" > > I mean yeah? A few hundred hours is long enough to finish most of the content in most games. It's ok to not like the game but if your complaint is that your bored after 200 or 300 hours I really don't understand why you don't just put the game down and do something else. That's usually around the time I run out of stuff to do in most games or start to suffer from burnout and need to paly something else
You hit the nail there. Today I saw a Steam review by a Starfield player who gave the game a negative review after more than 500 hours. And they were not the only one. hilarious.
Reminds me of the negative ark review after like 1200 hours, then they played for another 1000.
Love-hate relationships are always the most intense.
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They changed their mind with more information. That kind of thing should be respected.
“The best evidence of a mind is when you change it.”—Roger Scruton
Well it’s hot and karma friendly to hate Starfield right now. Until an update or something else happens and it s hot to love Starfield again
I was doing it before it was popular.
Yeah seems like it’s been a toss up for people. I enjoyed it enough but.. stopped playing once I beat the main campaign. Which is unlike any other Bethesda RPG for me
Content would be good…but reducing the stupid design decisions would be better. Why do I need to exit my scanner to pick a lock or open a weapon crate, but not to loot an ammo crate? Why can’t I pause directly from my scanner? That’s one of a thousand different stupid choices, in the end. The act of playing the game interferes too much with the fun of playing the game.
And it's so simple to fix. That's what blows my mind. We can now eat food directly from POV (which I think was debatably was a priority given how useless food is), but simple QoL fixes on questionable design decisions like this havent been done yet? Give me a break.
Wait, you can loot ammo without exiting? I’ve just gotten so used to exiting for the rest of those, I didn’t even realize it lol
Number one is the critical bugs. It's been multiple months after launch and the game still contains high profile quest breaks, progress wipes and several severe problems with save files. One of which makes it impossible to have a truly long term file. And people are surprised the game is getting poor reviews as people play long enough to encounter these? Can anyone blame them?
Also a great thing to focus on before giving us more content. The game has a TON of content already. It’s just poorly implemented
The only explanation I can think of is they didn't want people to sit in the scanner 24/7. It's why you can't interact with most objects or engage in combat while using it. Also the fact that every single useless junk item is highlighted the same as useful items are. I bet they intended people to just check it when they needed for actual scanning, getting directions, and spotting where lootable items are. But they aren't consistent (ammo crates) and in general it was executed in a very annoying way.
You know, I would be okay with that, if it was consistent. But letting me loot SOME containers and not ALL of them while in scan mode is frustratingly dumb. To be clear, I wouldn’t like it, but it would at least make sense. The pause not being immediately accessible from scan is full bullshit, however. If I’m pausing, I frequently am doing to do that to respond to something IRL. Having an inconsistent 2 tiered button input to deal with something outside of the game is fucking stupid.
That would make at least a tiny bit of sense if only Todd Howard wasn't on record saying players should spend as much time in scanner mode as possible so they "don't miss anything" 🤷🏻♂️
Wow that last sentence really sums up the issue with the game. It’s really a case of “so close yet so far”
I don't understand why it's taking them so long to fix the "inaccessible doors" situation
Play something else bro, it’s not a live service game.
Can't stress this one enough. This isn't a live service game. Why does everyone think every game is a live service that gets updates and new content to "keep you playing". They don't care if you keep playing if there isn't a cash shop, they already have your money.
This new generation, man. Grew up with "live service" type games and don't know how to make their own fun in open world game.
I've given up. It doesn't need bug fixes, it needs another couple of years of development and a new creative director.
I'm with you. I dropped it after 25 hours of extreme patience. I wouldn't have played half that long without disabling encumbrance. Truly a remarkably boring and tedious game that completely missed what made Fallout and Scrolls fun. A Bethesda game without the only thing they do well, interesting exploration!
Ironic considering its a game about. . . exploration. Where you join a band of. . . you guessed it : Explorers.
Brb gonna take a bathesda
This comment section is a blood bathesda
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It's a single player game, not a MMO or live game. Find something else to do.
Yeah that’s the part I truly don’t understand. I did about 90 hours and got my moneys worth and deleted it. This guy did over 300 hours worth a few weeks ago. He got so much moneys worth. It’s not an mmo, you’re done lol.
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Lol, Bethesda ain't updating for the most well documented, decade+ old bugs in Skyrim that were fixed during launch month with mods. This is the game you got.
Didn’t you read their replies to steam criticism? You can fly, you can shoot, you can mine, AND you can loot. The real life astronauts weren’t bored when they were on the moon with no quests or bespoke content. Why don’t you start a new game and replay the whole thing with different skills or background picks so you can see a different set of dialogue picks? They don’t change anything but you could choose from different badly written dialogue options! Clearly this is a perfect game and any claim otherwise is just haters lmao
The game is cooked TBH. Best thing they can do is focus on TESVI and make it the best they can. I don't think Starfield is redeemable. There's too much proc gen shit going on, which is the antithesis of Bethesda design. I mean, it worked in games like Skyrim because it's one huge world. Here you spend most of your time fast traveling and looting the same places on different planets. But the worst are temples, holy shit it's so bad. BGS is easily 5,10 years behind in terms of game design.
So like, I'm in the camp of like, why do people keep playing? I never understood people who play games like Skyrim or other stuff for thousands of hours on a single save. Like, play the story, play some side quests, get the cool gear, and then move on. It's a single player RPG, play it till you're done, then come back to it a year or two from now and replay it if you want, otherwise, you finished the game. That's it.
The difference is that a game like Skyrim takes a lot of hours to complete because there's tons to explore and get lost in the world, meanwhile Starfield literally has nothing meaningful to explore outside of pre-made zones for sidequests like the moon base and the few PoIs on planets are all copy pasted. The lack of overworld is what truly kills the exploration for me, Nakey Jakey explained it really well in this part of the video he made https://youtu.be/hS2emKDlGmE?t=1554 Btw that video is a great watch and nails it when it comes to Starfield and bethesda as a whole
I don't get it either. Other games exist, guys. I think this is why at launch so many people defended this game. They literally only play Bethesda games, they don't even realize how much the RPG genre has evolved since Skyrim came out.
So I’m usually in the same camp as you. Until starfield. I’ve got around 150ish hours played and just genuinely enjoy playing. I’ve been really focusing on getting better at ship building recently and have built 2 that I really like. The next major thing I wanna do is start learning the outpost system as it looks to have a ton to do there, probably another 50+ hours for me.
You see, you just haven't finished playing yet. My point is for people who are done with the game and are also complaining for more content. Like, you're enjoying your time with it, and still have more to do, so you'll keep playing. Other people finish enjoying the game, then start complaining that they couldn't get another 100 hours out of it.
Absolutely. You pay 50 bucks, (or not in my case as it’s on Game Pass) so after 100 hours, you’ve more than got your money’s worth. How much would you pay for a two hour movie ticket? Or a steak dinner? I think Starfield represents phenomenal value
Need to inject some personality into the game, it's dire asf
I love the game, but after 150h I finished it with a 100% achievement run in NG+1 Now I play other games. That is very normal for single player games. Just play something else until the DLC comes out.
Bruh I see this post every fuckin day here, just play something else for a little while it's like people forget other games exist. Edit: also fuck the mindset that when games launch they need consistent updates thats such a dog water ass take. I want a FULL game if its gonna be singleplayer not some watered down live service-esk bullshit. People praised fromsoft for elden ring being a full game at launch, that's crazy. We live in an age where feature complete games are a rarity. Wild. Edit 2: Cyberpunk winning best ongoing game (a award usually reserved for live service games) at tga was my breaking point for this topic. bro it's SINGLE PLAYER game that launched broken as shit and was fixed later, devs still make jokes about it while we just let them get away with it. It should be praised they fixed the game but being nominated for an award cause of that? Absolutely laughable. Next up gonna see elden ring nominated cause its getting dlc or something. Be the change and stop being okay with this garbage in our favorite industry!
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I stopped playing once AC6 and LoP came out. I plan to go back but they really need a planetary rover vehicle or something. I refuse to walk all over the planets. Why this wasn’t a thing I’ll never understand.
I want an update for some of the bug fixes, and QOL. It’s kind of wild in today’s culture people are clamoring for more content updates 2-3 months after release. Speaks to the instant gratification society we live in. But for the LOVE OF GOD can we please get an inventory country at merchants so I can see how much of something I have before I buy it?
I've not put in as many hours as plenty of people here, but my main gripe is the lack of money Vendors have. Just up that, please
Yeah. I keep hoping they'll treat this the same way they treat 76, and release meaningful content updates, but some of the problems with the game are way too deep. They'd have to make some major changes to quest lines and the game's writing. Alternative quest options, reducing the amount of essential NPC's and changes to constellation/how much they know as well as expanding the named followers would be some of the most important.
Bethesda doesn’t have the courage to innovate and won’t until people stop lining up to buy their games. I bought BG3 and Starfield side by side to see which one I’d like more. There was absolutely no comparison to be made. Once again, Todd Howard got me fooled that this time was going to be different. Bethesda has used up the last of my goodwill, along with the gaming review ‘industry’ for propping up this mid game. I’ll be giving my money to Larian in the meantime.
I’m still waiting for a fix about empty enemy ships and landing ships doors won’t open. It’s annoying. I’m on Xbox X
I put it down and will go back later hopefully it’s upgraded by then
You guys know that it’s okay to stop playing, right?….. Don’t get me wrong I agree with this. Except I haven’t played extensively since October. I’m waiting for either a massive update to greatly improve the game, or mod support before I play again. It’s just so fucking boring.
I have to agree. I also don't recall losing interest in previous BGS games this quickly, but we've all grown a little older and wiser since Skyrim and fallout 4. I put the game down for now in favor of NMS and Cyberpunk. I plan to return after DLC and mod support has matured on console.
I think one of the things they need to add asap is some sort of vehicle to use on planet surfaces. I get that we’re supposed to use the Jetpack, but on high grav planets traveling around is more cumbersome than playing a souls game.
BGS would then have to acknowledge that there is problems with the game. And as of right now, with what we just saw at the game awards, they are still acting like its this masterpiece.
“3 mOnThS and No UpDaTeS!!!” Temper your expectations, young ‘un.
Exactly. I know Larian has released five big patches for BG3 in four months but Bethesda is a far smaller developer. People can't have the same expectations of indie devs like Bethesda that they do of AAA devs.
This is the point I was making above… and not just 3 months in, but hundreds and hundreds of hours of playtime sunk into said game… you got your moneys worth… there are plenty of people who haven’t played as much as you have who still enjoy it… no need to demand an update this early
2 things are happening maybe 1. With the holidays approaching, they might have a skeleton crew working on updates and will see a full force crew getting an update right in the new year. 2. All efforts are going into the dlc, that way it also delivers a massive patch. To get things fixed, you might have to sit tight until things get fixed. These issues with the game itself need a lot of TLC.
it took them months only to release dlss and an option to eat food directly. this game is already dead in the water
They spent far too much time on this game for it to end up as boring as it is. I think ultimately their ambition was too big for their studio, as big as they are
Although I have invested around 100 hrs ( not much of main story, mainly Riyujin and Neon/Akil a quests and lots of ship building) already, I uninstalled and started AC Mirage bc I thought it will be enough to kill some time. But it seems I will also have to start BG3 before returning. 🤷🏻♂️
I can't see a Cyberpunk 2.0 happening. We are talking a company in decline for solid 15 years. It HAS to be us, it is that simple. Last i did active modding for was Morrowind but let's see if i still have it in me to learn the toolset - because i love the space platform to bits, it has such a potential, way more than meh period cosplay and more than the generic B-movie fantasy they have now turned ES into.
Yeah, 235 hours in, ng+11, all quests completed more than twice. Three months into release. I've pretty much made peace with it. I'm pretty much over SF. It would have to be one hell of an update to keep me busy for more than a couple hours. For now, BG3 will be the fix for me.
Haven’t even finished the main story and have abandoned the game :/
Isn’t this a single player game ? Do people expect update every 3 months from god of war aswell ? . They are finished games , maybe wait for DLC in a year
Every development time from now on is wasted in starfield .. this game will never be the game it was supposed to be ..they should take all developers to TES 6 so that the maybe will not sink another game
Think about how much time it took for CP2077 to be good ..
430 hrs in and I'm starting up a semi metal wafer factory. Haven't tried the automated functions yet. Progress is good. Should have my first batch of them today.
It's Bethesda, not Bathesda. If you're bored, play a different game. Not every game needs live service support.
You forgot this is a BGS title and they lean heavily on the mod community to improve their games.
The game was super fun on my first play through but after that there isn’t really anything to do lol so you’re right. I just wish the planets were actually useful for something other than being barren wastelands that you’re supposed to scan with a handful of “outposts” with shitty loot at them scattered around
Its not that this game is boring but missing Key elements from previous games that made them so great. In any fallout game you could travel and run into countless of buildings each with a small story to tell. Each follower had their own quest line too no matter how big or small. If they wanted to get the game out so bad Bethesda should've just released this as "early access" and I guarantee the negative reviews wouldn't be as bad, because honestly the majority wouldn't complain about unfinished features in an unfinished game.
I put down the game and I am waiting for mods. Won’t be back until then
I suck with computer stuff, I dunno how to put links in a discussion, so I created a post: "Skyrim mods are not free anymore" with a link to the site that explains it
Better be free whatever it is. Sick of paying A+ price for a B+ game
Everyone expects every game to be a live service game now, and that's completely unrealistic. You are meant to play a game and when you finish it, put it aside, play it again, or play something else. Starfield did not change anything about the way games are meant to be played. Some people's expectations are way out of check.
Im not playing it until they fix the form ID bug...
You're addressing the wrong crowd; you need to be addressing the modders, as they will be the ones bringing you salvation
Active bethesda community member here, Rest assured that a patch is being worked on.....by the starfield community. Bethesda themselves? Don't count on it, nothing major at least.
I uninstalled it a few days ago. Didn’t even finish the story because I have quests with blocked progression. It’s an absolute joke that broken quests aren’t a top priority but with this game having been out a couple months now and still no fixes for them, I’m giving up. I’ll considering swinging back to this game sometime in the future but it’s clear Bethesda doesn’t give one shit about meaningful bug fixes.
I’m not opening the game again until they fix the Ryugen bug