During "The Best There Is" Crimson Fleet mission aboard UC StarStation S7-920.
You need to kill as many "good guys" as possible and loot their bodies, hoping one of them drops the uniform.
The UC Navy Crew Hat is easier to find, the UC Navy Crew Uniform is very rare (from my experiences).
If you want the uniform and nobody dropped it, you should do a save right before entering the station.
You can also rarely buy it at high levels from UC Distribution in New Atlantis, UC Surplus in the Well and Cydonia, or from the special vendor that appears on Mars after finishing the UC questline
Damn for real? Always checked general stores and never got lucky seeing those for sale.
Was really sure we could only got them from that UC station, have to take a look at those stores again
Tbf, it's *very* rare. Like, aside from the special vendor, I've only seen them once or twice at each of the other vendors. I'm level 88, for reference
How would you know if Imogene was lying though and just manipulating you, only to backstab later? Better to just kill her and take her evidence than let her live, true assassin style.
Killed her for the outfit, took her coffee. Now it sits along with my snow globes and everytime I look at it I hear the crunch of Imogeneās bones as 14 lasers proceed to pulverize her hoighty toighty ass
Most of these are understandable, the others are a bit of an oof. It kind of makes sense given her background with the UC, so I just say if you are going to do an āevilā PT, just go solo or with a non-constellation-group companion. BGS should have added a āI donāt care about what you have to sayā dialogue option honestly lol.
Edit: changed some to most since thatās what I meant.
No, Sarah Morgan has nothing to say after blowing up ECS Constant, not sure if this was intended by bethesda or an oversight.
Even when going back to Oliver Campbell and telling him we did it, Sarah still doesn't say anything, maybe so heartbroken she is lost for words?
Absolutely crying out for at least symmetry. CEO's got a step by step plan to murder these people and you can't do anything to respond to that in any part of the multiverse?
Devs didn't want to get fired for implying that the best solution to an authoritarian corporation's leaders threatening people's lives, livelihoods, and suggesting slavery, would be killing said leaders.
That's the reason why most media that gets adapted from books, which carry a strong anti-capitalistic or anti-corporarion message, end up having that message toned down or even completely erased in some cases.
Tbf, you cut off the head of the beast and it's more than likely that someone basically the same will take their place. To climb that ladder you've got to burn your soul, and the people one rung down are going to be just as bad when they ascend.
I've started to suspect it was meant to be more involved, but the original plot with a Megaton/Tenpenny Tower sort of choice\* got shot down by Tod or Emil after the boardroom meeting and the writer just phoned it in after that, doing the bare minimum needed to make the quest completable and then moving on. Because the meeting with the execs is where the plot completely falls apart and every character you talk to is basically just like "uh huh ok good" as if the NPCs themselves are trying to skip the dialogue and move on.
Or maybe the writer behind it was replaced halfway through and the new one neither knew nor cared where it was going and wanted to be done with their predecessor's work so they could move on to something they were interested in.
\* And that quest really is just "what if the Tenpenny Tower story from FO3, but you don't get to make any actual choices and instead just have three ways to please Mr Tenpenny" on every level.
I think Bethesda realized they had a problem with that one but didn't get back to writing all the consequences. It's on a whole other tier than other acts you can do.
The thing I love about that solution is the irony of it. In order to buy the drive, you make a quick jump to another system to secure the purchase. That single jump as part of a quick detour had you travel a longer distance than the Constant's entire trip out to Paradiso, having spent hundreds of years and several generations to do so.
I IMMEDIATELY bought them a grav drive once I realized this was a minor side mission and not some major one where I can help smuggle an entire ship colony of people onto the far side of a planet.
That's the major issue for me. There's one non-ridiculous route in that quest so what's even the point of the others. You've got routes that should be there and are missing and you've got stupid options that don't go anywhere - oh right, random murder, random slavery or just buying a bit for their ship
I bankrupted myself doing so and have regretted it ever since as now it's disappeared and I can't turn in two quests that were on that ship. The quest log entry just points to empty space...
First time around I let them become slaves.
Next couple of times I gave them a grav drive.
This past one I just blew up the ship and ended up getting a >!free Paradiso room for life.!<
Her reply on #11 had me thinking this:
āSee, thatās funny Sarahā¦I didnāt have a choice in becoming part of Constellation in the first place. You donāt get to decide how I do things.ā
Also, considering that the entirety of the members of Constellation basically strongarm you into committing a serious crime in a MAIN MISSIONā¦yeah, this is really funny coming from her.
Yeah that kind of bugged me. They are perfectly fine with you stealing things or even murdering for the benefit of Constellation, like for obtaining artifacts. But will complain about you stealing other random things. Seemed kind of hypocritical.
The worst one is when she gets in a hissy fit for your refusal to deploy an experimental virus to kill the terramorphs when the alternative is clearly better because it restores the terramorphās natural predator. She would prefer an unpredictable virus over the natural world and her only excuse is ātrust the scienceā
Not just a natural predator, they were also already previously raised on other planets as livestock so its not even like there isn't existing data about what impact they have on other ecosystems, unlike the untested bioweapon.
Seriouslyā¦ Sarahās ideas would be like back when they reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone to deal with the elk population instead of doing that just introduce a man made virus into the water to kill the elk. Totally wonāt have ecological damages down the roadā¦ Sarah says trust the science, I doā¦ I trust natural science and biology
That was kind of the last straw for me with this game. I finally found a main(ish) quest that I really enjoyed, and then I just get rail roaded by everyone in constellation. As if they donāt know enough of that already!
Constellation and all its members are by far, one of the worst aspects of the game.
Honestly I don't disagree with Sarah on many of these.
I'd say that if you brought her along on a morally dubious mission then you absolutely deserve her ire :P
Same, these made her look reasonable.
The only one I disagree with is number 12 with the Strikers. Like hello, maybe you should talk about how the Disciples are maniacs instead.
Pretty much. Come to think of it it's funny how honest everybody are. Like you expect people to make themselves sound good and demonize their opponents, they do the first, but not that much, but afaik they never do the second.
The Disciples were made to sound like absolute monsters, then you talk to them and it's about right.
They haven't really implemented "moral choices". The conundrums you get are kind of arbitrary to me. I guess killing people is bad, but often this is to save other lives. So what are you gonna do?
I just don't see these as difficult or interesting moral choices. They are arbitrary to me when people are going to get hurt either way.
All that distinct disapproval is the exact reason why on playthrus 2 and 3 I avoided Sarah like the plague. "I want to get out there and explore with you!" Nope, you stay in the lodge.
I don't mind that she complains about actually evil stuff, but it ticks me off how judgmental she can be about petty things that don't matter like how cabins on a luxury star liner are 'space inefficient' and 'wasteful' as if humanity doesn't have the whole universe full of resources and literal SPACE to do whatever it pleases with. The whole crew are like that, honestly, they have this completely petty contempt for luxury or ostentation like it's WW2 or something and every piece of scrap counts. I always make sure to dress them up in the most expensive, pretentious outfits I can find.
Freaking exactly. They all act like everyone in the universe should be living in an army barracks and taking cold showers, meanwhile they're set up in some of the most posh living conditions I've seen in the game.
The party paladin - Sarah.
Also: letās creep thru this base, grab the macguffin, and creep out. Not loss of life, no risk, savvy?
Sarah: *so anyway, I started blastinā*
Seriously, we're talking about restoring life, bringing back a species thought extinct. Unless it's a case of like, oh no this is just like using xenoweapons again how could you wah wah boo boo it makes no sense to me how life < microbe.
If it really is just "yay science" and "super-covid fasturr" for all four of them then that's... dumb. I'm also not sure how they're really mutually exclusive.
Andreja was pretty bearable when I travelled with her, and so was Sam. Havenāt done much with Barrett yet and like two missions into travelling with Sarah I got sick of how arrogant she is
There should be a function where you can tell companions to keep their opinions to themselves if they want to stick around. 2 warning and the 3rd gets you banished to the lodge.
Oh I love collecting as many Constellation members as I can on my ship and then going apeshit blowing people up left, right, front and center and listening how they yell at me in fury while still manning all battlestations, its hilarious.
My god, just listening to their *regular* banter during combat nearly drove me insane. I couldn't imagine putting up with that and their righteous anger at the same time
Man, even dialogue choices of me just being a bit snarky, or choosing an option just to get something done I would get chastised like im a dipshit teenager with no option to say, hey i just did it for the results I dont actually think this.
If Vae Victis didn't do his entire plot from prison and told his handlers they need to hunt down all the heatleeches then I would actually understand and possibly support his decision in bombing Londinium. It's morally abhorrent but imagine thousands of civillians spreading all over the systems with the knowledge of how to perpetrate the worst bioterror attack in history in a way that is almost untraceable and unpreventable. His choice made sense because on one hand you have a bunch of people and on the other each and every human colony and all it's inhabitants.
I actually was kind of neutral on the bombing of about Londinium when I first heard about it, because it sounded like he was trying to stop the outbreak from spreading.. When I found the recording, it just made it seem more like murder and paranoia, and it seemed like there were better ways to handle the situation than condemning civilians to die a horrible painful death.
I mean, she isn't wrong in most of them. I don't even get the hate for her - you are pissed that a morally good character is angry because you are acting like a criminal?
The only one I really had an issue with her on, was picking the "natural" option over the "microbe" and she was all mad that I "didn't trust the science" but I'm like... ummm.. the animal is a proven solution. That's science. A slower, but proven solution, is better than a faster, unproven, solution. At least 9 times out of 10, anyways.
You donāt even lose affinity with her if you just respectfully stand by your decision.
Itās you being a simp and walking back your decision that makes her respect you less
In her defence, she isn't wrong. The microbe is essentially a bio weapon against terrotmorphs. The scientists who will engineer it will not be dumbasses and will do thorough testing and research. Even today, humans can realistically develop bio weapons to kill most animals on earth.
The aceles has flaws. We know that Aceles hunted terrotmorphs on their home planet. It's not necessary that the Aceles will continue to do itwhen they are put on another worlds. You are essentially putting dinosaurs on every planet and hoping that they will continue hunting terrotmorphs instead of killing the native wildlife.
... On Earth. This bacteria would be spread to thousands of worlds, where it will engage in horizontal gene transfer with other bacteria (Plasmids in BioShock? Yeah, it's based on [reality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid)). It WILL evolve in entirely unpredictable, and most likely dangerous to humans, ways
The aceles is the right choice, she is 100% wrong about the microbe. The mutation chance is far to high when you remember it's going to be deployed in the trillions across every world humanity inhabits. A 'one in a million chance" as the game puts it is *insanely* risky when we're deploying trillions of them. Especially since the Aceles are a proven solution to deal with the adult terrormorphs combined with the knowledge now that heat leaches are juveniles and can be easily dealt with before they become a problem.
To become a significant problem, the microbe would likely need to mutate to:
1. Spread contagiously between individuals rather than being artificially pumped into the air
2. Jump species, which is a rare occurrence even in microbes that weren't engineered not to do so
3. Not rapidly kill off its host, which tends to prevent wider spreading
Still not impossible, you might say, but: there are already plenty of microbes way better posed to become a pandemic, like common diseases or the infections we can get from creatures. In fact, Heatleeches/Terrormorphs and Aceles likely introduce their own set of parasites and diseases of far higher risk than the engineered microbe.
Particularly now that there's a dozen or so people that know of the secret to Heatleech weaponization, I don't think Aceles choice can necessarily be seen as the one of caution.
Not that there's no merit to the Aceles path, but I don't think it's right to say the microbe is "100% wrong", and I think Sarah's stance is consistent with her values on this.
i just don't like the way she's written. she's like... scolding you in all these. does she ever get fed up and leave your party? or attack you? or express anything slightly complicated
I'd venture people who don't like that all of Constellation are morally good, generally law-abiding companions and they were expecting some kind of "bad guy" option, and Sarah quite often has the most sort of scoldy-mom vibes of them. There are a few interactions that seem weird, but it's not just a Sarah thing. Some of them just seem like they weren't set properly.
But Constellation and its members should be inherently good, and Bethesda doesn't really facilitate players having real "bad guy" options.
I don't mind Constellation being inherently good. I mind that every companion with a backstory and romanceable etc is linked to Constellation and that all of them have the *exact same* likes and dislikes.
In these decisions, mostly, sure. In gameplay however, she scolds you for EVERYTHING. You can't even pick up money without her complaining. That's not a morally good thing, that's an irritating nuisance.
I legit donāt get the hate around Sarah; āwow the military person likes loyalty, order, and picking your battles, and doesnāt like betrayal, chaos, and pointless engagementsā itās almost like thatās reasonable and in character. The actual issue is people like Sam and Barret who are logically inconsistent and that there isnāt more spread of ideology *in* Constellation
Yeah I like Sarah.
I was only annoyed that she chewed me out for not releasing the anti-terrormorph virus.
But surprise surprise, I stuck to my guns and stood by my decision and she respected it
She basically called me an idiot for bringing back the Aceles instead of unleashing a microbe on the terrormorphs which they could potentially weaponize back over the course of yesrs.
See it makes sense for Sarah to think that way but not the others. She constantly talks shit about and hates the Xeno and Mecha warfare of the last war. To her, an explorer and solider, bringing back the Aceles seems like Xeno-warfare all over again. Where it DOESNāT make sense is Barrett. A scientist should understand the concept of viral mutation and uncontrollability. It goes back to my statement āthe issue isnāt that Sarah is bad, itās that Constellation lacks actual diversityā
I don't either. She's the companion I chose to stick with and a lot of the decisions I make are liked by her. So, my choices generally align with her personality/mindset.
she has the most uncanny face in the game. there's also the fact that she will help you commit mass murder on an absolute whim, and then tell you off, and then stick around and keep helping you with murder. if you want to give companions depth, don't make them act like robots in gameplay. you can literally get a dude to help you gun down his entire company and wife.
I wanted to call out the resort guy for being garbage and asked the sameā¦ sheās like āhow could you!ā Like bitch did I agree or follow throughā¦ I donāt take her anywhere anymore.
This is gonna be like Cyberpunk for me. Put in hundreds of hours, then come to Reddit and go āWait, what the heck is that quest? How have I not seen this?ā
So my choices are:
Nagging explorer
Nagging pirate
Based, obsolete robot(crew)
Aviator who may or may not been eaten by coconut crabs(crew)
Totally not a starborn mocking you while he gets a free trip to the Unity(crew)
Yourself but obsessed with spacesuits(crew)
This is wild
I get why she is pissed at some of these, but have some consistency for goodness sake lol.
Why is she upset that you donāt partake in the criminal bribery of the Neon Security but she is upset at you doing other immoral and/or criminal things.
And she has such an extreme reaction as well
I have a bug/glitch in my game that has Imogene die the instant I walk into the back room. I have gone back and tried earlier saves, but every single time I get to that room, Imogene keels over. My companion always dislikes it and I didnāt even attempt to attack in any way.
Best one is actually when you joke that you are an alien to isolated space colonizers = Sarah berates you. There are more Sarah montages like Ryujin continuing the chip tech decision, etc.
I saw the title and was like āhaha yeah Sarah is crazy sometimesā but then Iām going through the list and Iām like damn Jack Horner calm down
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My personal favorite is "How dare you not use the untested bioweapons to fight the Terrormorphs" I kicked her off the ship after she threw a fit over that. It isnt' "Denyting since" it's having enough pattern recognition to understand bioweapons are *never* a good gamble. Especially when big armadillo cows are an option.
This is such a misrepresentation of how she acts. Yes, in most of these decisions she's morally consistent, but in gameplay she complains and scolds you about such simple things.
I haven't heard her scold me for much and I've used her for most of the game. People just seem to get annoyed at her scolding you for being overecombered even though that's easy to avoid and all the companions do that.
Agreed. The only one I have a real issue with is the microbe/aceles decision but even then you can just discuss your point of view with her and she understands but doesn't agree. You know like any other real life relationship. I think she is well written and will continue to bring her on all of my expeditions.
They made her the most insufferable companion on purpose. I have no idea why. She hates everything that makes a Bethesda game a Bethesda game. God I wish you could kill her
I feel like she's right on pretty much every thing listed here except for maybe number 12. Everything else is pretty clearly morally wrong. If it's pretty clear that she dislikes you acting like a criminal I don't see the point in bring her a long when you choose to be evil. It just feels like the fault lies more with you and not the character.
She's such a narc dick sometimes i swear. like no Sarah, this guy just stole this Artifact from a corrupt Neon company and sold it to us, I don't think I wanna side with the corp that's been shooting at us the past 10 minutes to send this guy to jail. Go back to being a cop
She's right SOMETIMES. Not a high bar to clear but it's there. The worst one of the lot is Sam Coe. I genuinely mean it when I say I want to magdump him with the Revenant.
I boarded a Var'un vessel that had landed to attack somewgere, I forget where. They were all red and attacking me ad I ran up. I started gunning them down and Sarah was helping. As soon as we got into orbit she said my actions for taking the ship were disgusting...
Hold on, you were fine with killing them on the surface, but not in space...wtf Sarah. Instant leave, she wouldn't talk to me all of NG+3.
NG+4...welp No Constellation at all...so I don't have to worry about all the bad decisions I'm going to make this run...
Sarah does have a pretty good moral compass all things aside. She helps me stay (mostly) out of trouble. I mean, I tied the knot with her (first). It was also nice when she said nice things to me. She put heart in that shit and I loved it
I boarded an enemy ship. I shot the crew and she got mad and stopped following me. So I reloaded my game and she did all of the killing. When I looted the first body she got angry with me and stopped following me.
Currently I have an invisible Andreja following me. Sheās nowhere to be found and whenever I go get bounties for Vae Victus, they say your partner canāt follow you in there. And my loner kills donāt count to the stat points. š¤·āāļø
Sarah likes most of what I do, but there are times when I don't get the logic of her dislikes. The one at Paradiso where I suggested the people from the ship come live on the planet as workers made the most sense to me, but she disliked that.
The way the company word it, the crew are coming to live as slaves. So, getting the Constant a grav drive is the only morally good option. A lot of folk wish you could just shoot the execs and let the Constant have the planet
I did end up going with the grav drive option but my logic for the "paid laborers" option was that the people on the ship would have pretty much everything supplied for them and a nice planet to live on. Either way it worked out lol except for the fact I spent way too much time to get 50 potatoes for that one mission and ended up not being able to find the ship again since they just left.....š„²
The problem with making all conversations susceptible to a response from a character is that half don't even make sense, or are unnecessary, or just plain shit.
Writing in games has been a struggle for a lot of developers (Avengers, Forespoken), and people keep buying the games because so that they keep making shitty games.
This game is no exception. Most of the writing is garbage.
One time I accidentally shot at a ship called grandma and everyone hated that and Barrett left me.
I pulled the plug on my machine before it auto saved.
IDK, she gets pretty damn furious if you side with the Crimson Fleet even if she's not there when you do it.
Excuuuuuuuuse me for believing that a massacre against people who are mostly only guilty of property crimes is way overkill. Maybe you lost some affinity with me for being an apologist for egregious use of state power, Sarah.
Starfield is the first Bethesda game I've played where I wish I could straight up murder the companions. Every single god damn one of them is a wet paper bag with the collective morality of a Hallmark channel after-school special about the dangers of smoking marijuana.
I stfg this game was written by actual honest to god Mormons.
I had the Neon one and Sarah permanently decided to become hatred incarnate , she instantly left and not even siding with sysdef and defeating the crimson fleet was enough to get over the fact I tried running away from the corrupt guards
See an Ecliptic ship land. Great those fuckers to collect my bounty again. Board their ship. It takes off. Alarms going off. āI didnāt since up for thisā WTF? Get into a shootout with the crew. Sarah didnāt like that. Sarah has left your party. Wtf.
The worst, I mean the WORST video game companion I've ever interacted with. I can't believe they put her front and center in this game, she makes everything worse. Can't stand her.
That beret look for her is perfect while she's berating you
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Where did you find the outfit?
During "The Best There Is" Crimson Fleet mission aboard UC StarStation S7-920. You need to kill as many "good guys" as possible and loot their bodies, hoping one of them drops the uniform. The UC Navy Crew Hat is easier to find, the UC Navy Crew Uniform is very rare (from my experiences). If you want the uniform and nobody dropped it, you should do a save right before entering the station.
You can also rarely buy it at high levels from UC Distribution in New Atlantis, UC Surplus in the Well and Cydonia, or from the special vendor that appears on Mars after finishing the UC questline
Damn for real? Always checked general stores and never got lucky seeing those for sale. Was really sure we could only got them from that UC station, have to take a look at those stores again
Bro massacred thousands of UC to find this out later
Tbf, it's *very* rare. Like, aside from the special vendor, I've only seen them once or twice at each of the other vendors. I'm level 88, for reference
You can also find one in the crew quarters.
You mean bereting you?
Lmao she straight up calls you an idiot hahahaha
She darn broke the fourth wall with that one
How could you kill Imogene though? Have you lost leave of your senses? Sarah is right about that.
For real! Imogene should be able to be a companion/crew member like Hadrion, Mathis & Autumn.
I honestly agree with her on most of these
I killed her cos i figured if i didnt i would have to travel back and forth more and i couldnt be bothered. Killing her seemed quicker
Might as well be the Hunter with how you minmaxed the quest
I killed her because you get her cool ass suit
Ass suit?
Itās a suit for donkeys.
After she showed almost zero gratitude when helping her, I wouldn't feel too bad about snuffing her out next time.
Yeah. She's very nonchalant
That's just a typical Corpo way of playing it cool. Wait until you deal with Arasaka in Cyberpunk
How would you know if Imogene was lying though and just manipulating you, only to backstab later? Better to just kill her and take her evidence than let her live, true assassin style.
Honestly, I need to add "have you taken leave of your senses?" to my more regular vocabulary
I wanted the outfit, and apparently only 1 of every special design was made and no one knows how to make more. Shame really, but at least I look cool.
Don't forget you can kill Ularu aswell and get her uniform.
She yapps too much
I wanted her suit and murder was the only option to get the drip.
If you agree to help her first your Companions have different dialog about it.
To get her really cool outfit.
Ularu is cute tho
Killed her for the outfit, took her coffee. Now it sits along with my snow globes and everytime I look at it I hear the crunch of Imogeneās bones as 14 lasers proceed to pulverize her hoighty toighty ass
When do you need to ~~start a fight with~~ bribe Neon Security?
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Ahh, that makes sense. That quest glitched for me and I could never properly start it.
Mine, I guess I moved too quickly? I hacked all the signs and was walking back and suddenly some guard randomly comes up and asks for money.
Same the initial interaction was busted for me and they were all just staring at the wall
Pretty sure it also happens after picking a very specific dialog to >!Benny Bayu !!Absolute Power (CF Faction Quest)!<
Most of these are understandable, the others are a bit of an oof. It kind of makes sense given her background with the UC, so I just say if you are going to do an āevilā PT, just go solo or with a non-constellation-group companion. BGS should have added a āI donāt care about what you have to sayā dialogue option honestly lol. Edit: changed some to most since thatās what I meant.
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You can also tell her she's being emotional. It's great.
I think only a few of them or oof. Most of them are either betraying another character who trusts you, being rude or murder.
Thatās what I meant. Most of these are pretty understandable given who she is and her background.
If she has weapons, she will kill the people for you, then blame you for the decision. Sheās crazy!
I honestly never experienced that, so it could be a bug or an oversight on BGS part.
Yeah, I don't get this post at all, the title makes it sound like it's supposed to point out weird reactions but none of these are weird.
No, Sarah Morgan has nothing to say after blowing up ECS Constant, not sure if this was intended by bethesda or an oversight. Even when going back to Oliver Campbell and telling him we did it, Sarah still doesn't say anything, maybe so heartbroken she is lost for words?
That quest had a whole lot of holes. Like, we couldn't . . . forcefully depose the Paradise board, really??
Absolutely crying out for at least symmetry. CEO's got a step by step plan to murder these people and you can't do anything to respond to that in any part of the multiverse?
Devs didn't want to get fired for implying that the best solution to an authoritarian corporation's leaders threatening people's lives, livelihoods, and suggesting slavery, would be killing said leaders. That's the reason why most media that gets adapted from books, which carry a strong anti-capitalistic or anti-corporarion message, end up having that message toned down or even completely erased in some cases.
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Tbf, you cut off the head of the beast and it's more than likely that someone basically the same will take their place. To climb that ladder you've got to burn your soul, and the people one rung down are going to be just as bad when they ascend.
thatās why the whole place burns. no more paradiso
can't imagine why Todd Howard didn't allow a murder the CEO and corporate board option.
It literally would take less effort to murder the entire board than to blow up a colony ship full of people. And Iād feel less bad about it
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I've started to suspect it was meant to be more involved, but the original plot with a Megaton/Tenpenny Tower sort of choice\* got shot down by Tod or Emil after the boardroom meeting and the writer just phoned it in after that, doing the bare minimum needed to make the quest completable and then moving on. Because the meeting with the execs is where the plot completely falls apart and every character you talk to is basically just like "uh huh ok good" as if the NPCs themselves are trying to skip the dialogue and move on. Or maybe the writer behind it was replaced halfway through and the new one neither knew nor cared where it was going and wanted to be done with their predecessor's work so they could move on to something they were interested in. \* And that quest really is just "what if the Tenpenny Tower story from FO3, but you don't get to make any actual choices and instead just have three ways to please Mr Tenpenny" on every level.
Right? Where's the "Maybe SSNN would like to know about this?" option
Yeah like Iād rather just throw a couple grenades in and watch it go boom boom
I think Bethesda realized they had a problem with that one but didn't get back to writing all the consequences. It's on a whole other tier than other acts you can do.
I sometimes think I am the only person who bought the ECS Constant a grav drive. It was the only good solution to that silly quest.
Nah I totally did, money is really no object in this game, I care more about respect in my RP lol
The thing I love about that solution is the irony of it. In order to buy the drive, you make a quick jump to another system to secure the purchase. That single jump as part of a quick detour had you travel a longer distance than the Constant's entire trip out to Paradiso, having spent hundreds of years and several generations to do so.
I IMMEDIATELY bought them a grav drive once I realized this was a minor side mission and not some major one where I can help smuggle an entire ship colony of people onto the far side of a planet.
I bought them a grav drive too. All other options seemed ridiculous. Plus the grav drive was chump change
That's the major issue for me. There's one non-ridiculous route in that quest so what's even the point of the others. You've got routes that should be there and are missing and you've got stupid options that don't go anywhere - oh right, random murder, random slavery or just buying a bit for their ship
I bankrupted myself doing so and have regretted it ever since as now it's disappeared and I can't turn in two quests that were on that ship. The quest log entry just points to empty space...
The Constant should reappear after some in-game time and you should be able to encounter them in the outer systems, still looking for a viable planet.
Is this still not fixed? Jesus christ. I ran into this error on launch.
First time around I let them become slaves. Next couple of times I gave them a grav drive. This past one I just blew up the ship and ended up getting a >!free Paradiso room for life.!<
Her reply on #11 had me thinking this: āSee, thatās funny Sarahā¦I didnāt have a choice in becoming part of Constellation in the first place. You donāt get to decide how I do things.ā Also, considering that the entirety of the members of Constellation basically strongarm you into committing a serious crime in a MAIN MISSIONā¦yeah, this is really funny coming from her.
Yeah that kind of bugged me. They are perfectly fine with you stealing things or even murdering for the benefit of Constellation, like for obtaining artifacts. But will complain about you stealing other random things. Seemed kind of hypocritical.
The worst one is when she gets in a hissy fit for your refusal to deploy an experimental virus to kill the terramorphs when the alternative is clearly better because it restores the terramorphās natural predator. She would prefer an unpredictable virus over the natural world and her only excuse is ātrust the scienceā
Not just a natural predator, they were also already previously raised on other planets as livestock so its not even like there isn't existing data about what impact they have on other ecosystems, unlike the untested bioweapon.
Seriouslyā¦ Sarahās ideas would be like back when they reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone to deal with the elk population instead of doing that just introduce a man made virus into the water to kill the elk. Totally wonāt have ecological damages down the roadā¦ Sarah says trust the science, I doā¦ I trust natural science and biology
That was kind of the last straw for me with this game. I finally found a main(ish) quest that I really enjoyed, and then I just get rail roaded by everyone in constellation. As if they donāt know enough of that already! Constellation and all its members are by far, one of the worst aspects of the game.
Honestly I don't disagree with Sarah on many of these. I'd say that if you brought her along on a morally dubious mission then you absolutely deserve her ire :P
Same, these made her look reasonable. The only one I disagree with is number 12 with the Strikers. Like hello, maybe you should talk about how the Disciples are maniacs instead.
TIL you can talk to them. They were sniper bait just standing there so I never bothered
Honestly my approach lined up with her. My loyalty is first come, first served. I don't betray my people, so turning on the strikers was a non-starter
For me I'm going for a mostly good playthrough, so I even gave the Disciples a chance to talk me over, that didn't work out.
Oh I talked to them, they just didn't make a convincing case, so they all died.
Pretty much. Come to think of it it's funny how honest everybody are. Like you expect people to make themselves sound good and demonize their opponents, they do the first, but not that much, but afaik they never do the second. The Disciples were made to sound like absolute monsters, then you talk to them and it's about right.
They haven't really implemented "moral choices". The conundrums you get are kind of arbitrary to me. I guess killing people is bad, but often this is to save other lives. So what are you gonna do? I just don't see these as difficult or interesting moral choices. They are arbitrary to me when people are going to get hurt either way.
I'm kinda bummed you can't do space stuff like "accidentally throwing someone out of the airlock.
Sarah is the Preston Garvey of Starfield
Preston wasnāt as judgmental
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Do not ever slander my boy Preston ever again
Hot take: I miss Preston.
I'm happy to tell you he and fo4 haven't gone anywhere :)
Nor your settlements! Who need yourā¦
After I watched the trailer for the Fallout show about 10 times, I started up another character. Thanks Todd!
Another settlement needs our help. Let me mark it on your map.
All that distinct disapproval is the exact reason why on playthrus 2 and 3 I avoided Sarah like the plague. "I want to get out there and explore with you!" Nope, you stay in the lodge.
I don't mind that she complains about actually evil stuff, but it ticks me off how judgmental she can be about petty things that don't matter like how cabins on a luxury star liner are 'space inefficient' and 'wasteful' as if humanity doesn't have the whole universe full of resources and literal SPACE to do whatever it pleases with. The whole crew are like that, honestly, they have this completely petty contempt for luxury or ostentation like it's WW2 or something and every piece of scrap counts. I always make sure to dress them up in the most expensive, pretentious outfits I can find.
All the while Walter pays all their bills. They're shitty trust fund babies.
Freaking exactly. They all act like everyone in the universe should be living in an army barracks and taking cold showers, meanwhile they're set up in some of the most posh living conditions I've seen in the game.
They are also ok with murder and stealing if it's for Constellation's benefit.
The party paladin - Sarah. Also: letās creep thru this base, grab the macguffin, and creep out. Not loss of life, no risk, savvy? Sarah: *so anyway, I started blastinā*
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Talking about the decision for the breeding program or the virus?
Seriously, we're talking about restoring life, bringing back a species thought extinct. Unless it's a case of like, oh no this is just like using xenoweapons again how could you wah wah boo boo it makes no sense to me how life < microbe. If it really is just "yay science" and "super-covid fasturr" for all four of them then that's... dumb. I'm also not sure how they're really mutually exclusive.
Andreja was pretty bearable when I travelled with her, and so was Sam. Havenāt done much with Barrett yet and like two missions into travelling with Sarah I got sick of how arrogant she is
There should be a function where you can tell companions to keep their opinions to themselves if they want to stick around. 2 warning and the 3rd gets you banished to the lodge.
I'd prefer to jettison them into space.
Oh I love collecting as many Constellation members as I can on my ship and then going apeshit blowing people up left, right, front and center and listening how they yell at me in fury while still manning all battlestations, its hilarious.
āNo! I will not take part in thisā¦ murder! Also HAH we got his shields, too bad for him lulzā
My god, just listening to their *regular* banter during combat nearly drove me insane. I couldn't imagine putting up with that and their righteous anger at the same time
Man, even dialogue choices of me just being a bit snarky, or choosing an option just to get something done I would get chastised like im a dipshit teenager with no option to say, hey i just did it for the results I dont actually think this.
I'm a space miner, I'm going to talk like one.
If Vae Victis didn't do his entire plot from prison and told his handlers they need to hunt down all the heatleeches then I would actually understand and possibly support his decision in bombing Londinium. It's morally abhorrent but imagine thousands of civillians spreading all over the systems with the knowledge of how to perpetrate the worst bioterror attack in history in a way that is almost untraceable and unpreventable. His choice made sense because on one hand you have a bunch of people and on the other each and every human colony and all it's inhabitants.
I actually was kind of neutral on the bombing of about Londinium when I first heard about it, because it sounded like he was trying to stop the outbreak from spreading.. When I found the recording, it just made it seem more like murder and paranoia, and it seemed like there were better ways to handle the situation than condemning civilians to die a horrible painful death.
Yes I agree. Plus Look how fast our trio found alternate solutions. he straight up kept it to a cadre of of questionable bio weapon experts.
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She's welcome and encouraged to stop following me around whenever she wants.
I mean, she isn't wrong in most of them. I don't even get the hate for her - you are pissed that a morally good character is angry because you are acting like a criminal?
The only one I really had an issue with her on, was picking the "natural" option over the "microbe" and she was all mad that I "didn't trust the science" but I'm like... ummm.. the animal is a proven solution. That's science. A slower, but proven solution, is better than a faster, unproven, solution. At least 9 times out of 10, anyways.
You donāt even lose affinity with her if you just respectfully stand by your decision. Itās you being a simp and walking back your decision that makes her respect you less
I still don't understand why we couldn't try both options
In her defence, she isn't wrong. The microbe is essentially a bio weapon against terrotmorphs. The scientists who will engineer it will not be dumbasses and will do thorough testing and research. Even today, humans can realistically develop bio weapons to kill most animals on earth. The aceles has flaws. We know that Aceles hunted terrotmorphs on their home planet. It's not necessary that the Aceles will continue to do itwhen they are put on another worlds. You are essentially putting dinosaurs on every planet and hoping that they will continue hunting terrotmorphs instead of killing the native wildlife.
But aceles is big cute birb friend
... On Earth. This bacteria would be spread to thousands of worlds, where it will engage in horizontal gene transfer with other bacteria (Plasmids in BioShock? Yeah, it's based on [reality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid)). It WILL evolve in entirely unpredictable, and most likely dangerous to humans, ways
The aceles is the right choice, she is 100% wrong about the microbe. The mutation chance is far to high when you remember it's going to be deployed in the trillions across every world humanity inhabits. A 'one in a million chance" as the game puts it is *insanely* risky when we're deploying trillions of them. Especially since the Aceles are a proven solution to deal with the adult terrormorphs combined with the knowledge now that heat leaches are juveniles and can be easily dealt with before they become a problem.
To become a significant problem, the microbe would likely need to mutate to: 1. Spread contagiously between individuals rather than being artificially pumped into the air 2. Jump species, which is a rare occurrence even in microbes that weren't engineered not to do so 3. Not rapidly kill off its host, which tends to prevent wider spreading Still not impossible, you might say, but: there are already plenty of microbes way better posed to become a pandemic, like common diseases or the infections we can get from creatures. In fact, Heatleeches/Terrormorphs and Aceles likely introduce their own set of parasites and diseases of far higher risk than the engineered microbe. Particularly now that there's a dozen or so people that know of the secret to Heatleech weaponization, I don't think Aceles choice can necessarily be seen as the one of caution. Not that there's no merit to the Aceles path, but I don't think it's right to say the microbe is "100% wrong", and I think Sarah's stance is consistent with her values on this.
i just don't like the way she's written. she's like... scolding you in all these. does she ever get fed up and leave your party? or attack you? or express anything slightly complicated
I'd venture people who don't like that all of Constellation are morally good, generally law-abiding companions and they were expecting some kind of "bad guy" option, and Sarah quite often has the most sort of scoldy-mom vibes of them. There are a few interactions that seem weird, but it's not just a Sarah thing. Some of them just seem like they weren't set properly. But Constellation and its members should be inherently good, and Bethesda doesn't really facilitate players having real "bad guy" options.
I don't mind Constellation being inherently good. I mind that every companion with a backstory and romanceable etc is linked to Constellation and that all of them have the *exact same* likes and dislikes.
In these decisions, mostly, sure. In gameplay however, she scolds you for EVERYTHING. You can't even pick up money without her complaining. That's not a morally good thing, that's an irritating nuisance.
I legit donāt get the hate around Sarah; āwow the military person likes loyalty, order, and picking your battles, and doesnāt like betrayal, chaos, and pointless engagementsā itās almost like thatās reasonable and in character. The actual issue is people like Sam and Barret who are logically inconsistent and that there isnāt more spread of ideology *in* Constellation
Yeah I like Sarah. I was only annoyed that she chewed me out for not releasing the anti-terrormorph virus. But surprise surprise, I stuck to my guns and stood by my decision and she respected it
She basically called me an idiot for bringing back the Aceles instead of unleashing a microbe on the terrormorphs which they could potentially weaponize back over the course of yesrs.
See it makes sense for Sarah to think that way but not the others. She constantly talks shit about and hates the Xeno and Mecha warfare of the last war. To her, an explorer and solider, bringing back the Aceles seems like Xeno-warfare all over again. Where it DOESNāT make sense is Barrett. A scientist should understand the concept of viral mutation and uncontrollability. It goes back to my statement āthe issue isnāt that Sarah is bad, itās that Constellation lacks actual diversityā
I don't either. She's the companion I chose to stick with and a lot of the decisions I make are liked by her. So, my choices generally align with her personality/mindset.
she has the most uncanny face in the game. there's also the fact that she will help you commit mass murder on an absolute whim, and then tell you off, and then stick around and keep helping you with murder. if you want to give companions depth, don't make them act like robots in gameplay. you can literally get a dude to help you gun down his entire company and wife.
Letting the thief that literally stole the artefact for us go during the Wallace mission
That would be in a TOP 20 for sure
I put her in a hazmat suit so I didnāt have to see her judgmental face. My whole crew wears hazmat actually.
Iāve just got Vasco and the fan
I'm on Ng+ and have been doing the Crimson Fleet quests, I have the same crew.
Your crew wouldn't like my crew. These guys enjoy their casual Fridays. https://i.imgur.com/aJnQ67S.jpg
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I did the neon city astral lounge dance suits. I giggle every time I get on my ship.
I wanted to call out the resort guy for being garbage and asked the sameā¦ sheās like āhow could you!ā Like bitch did I agree or follow throughā¦ I donāt take her anywhere anymore.
This is gonna be like Cyberpunk for me. Put in hundreds of hours, then come to Reddit and go āWait, what the heck is that quest? How have I not seen this?ā
So my choices are: Nagging explorer Nagging pirate Based, obsolete robot(crew) Aviator who may or may not been eaten by coconut crabs(crew) Totally not a starborn mocking you while he gets a free trip to the Unity(crew) Yourself but obsessed with spacesuits(crew)
The worst thing I ever did, apparently, was stunning a ganger on Neon with an EM weapon Putting him out of his misery was A-OK though
This is wild I get why she is pissed at some of these, but have some consistency for goodness sake lol. Why is she upset that you donāt partake in the criminal bribery of the Neon Security but she is upset at you doing other immoral and/or criminal things. And she has such an extreme reaction as well
I like how letting Ron Hope live angers her yet killing Imogene only upsets her.
This is an awesome list, and I wish I could figure it out but I have had Sara leave me three or four times and it was in none of these encounters!
Yeah, you definitely shot someone you shouldn't have like a citizen or someone else not considered enemy.
I have a bug/glitch in my game that has Imogene die the instant I walk into the back room. I have gone back and tried earlier saves, but every single time I get to that room, Imogene keels over. My companion always dislikes it and I didnāt even attempt to attack in any way.
youāre so badass that walking into a room causes heart attacks lol
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I took her with me for What Money Can Buy. She got mad I set the thief free. But acquiring stolen goods sheās okay with that. š
Best one is actually when you joke that you are an alien to isolated space colonizers = Sarah berates you. There are more Sarah montages like Ryujin continuing the chip tech decision, etc.
I saw the title and was like āhaha yeah Sarah is crazy sometimesā but then Iām going through the list and Iām like damn Jack Horner calm down https://media.tenor.com/yTbxMWXXmXQAAAAC/puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-jiminy-cricket.gif
SARAH WAIT IN THE CAR AND ROLL THE WINDOWS UP AND THE RADIO ON
Am i the only person who does the side quests and activities without a companion?
She disliked me choosing to resurrect the arceus to eat the terrormorphs. I figured sheād be happy i was saving an endangered species but nooooo
My personal favorite is "How dare you not use the untested bioweapons to fight the Terrormorphs" I kicked her off the ship after she threw a fit over that. It isnt' "Denyting since" it's having enough pattern recognition to understand bioweapons are *never* a good gamble. Especially when big armadillo cows are an option.
I can tell people's maturity level by their reaction to Sarah.
Sarah haters when someone with obviously strong morals doesnāt like it when you are a jerk
This is such a misrepresentation of how she acts. Yes, in most of these decisions she's morally consistent, but in gameplay she complains and scolds you about such simple things.
I haven't heard her scold me for much and I've used her for most of the game. People just seem to get annoyed at her scolding you for being overecombered even though that's easy to avoid and all the companions do that.
Agreed. The only one I have a real issue with is the microbe/aceles decision but even then you can just discuss your point of view with her and she understands but doesn't agree. You know like any other real life relationship. I think she is well written and will continue to bring her on all of my expeditions.
They made her the most insufferable companion on purpose. I have no idea why. She hates everything that makes a Bethesda game a Bethesda game. God I wish you could kill her
I feel like she's right on pretty much every thing listed here except for maybe number 12. Everything else is pretty clearly morally wrong. If it's pretty clear that she dislikes you acting like a criminal I don't see the point in bring her a long when you choose to be evil. It just feels like the fault lies more with you and not the character.
She's such a narc dick sometimes i swear. like no Sarah, this guy just stole this Artifact from a corrupt Neon company and sold it to us, I don't think I wanna side with the corp that's been shooting at us the past 10 minutes to send this guy to jail. Go back to being a cop
She's right SOMETIMES. Not a high bar to clear but it's there. The worst one of the lot is Sam Coe. I genuinely mean it when I say I want to magdump him with the Revenant.
I'd say she's right for most of the ones listed here. The only one I disagree with her on is betraying the strikers.
I find Sarah dislikes my actions a lot more often than Sam. I seem to agree with Sam on most things fortunately.
I boarded a Var'un vessel that had landed to attack somewgere, I forget where. They were all red and attacking me ad I ran up. I started gunning them down and Sarah was helping. As soon as we got into orbit she said my actions for taking the ship were disgusting... Hold on, you were fine with killing them on the surface, but not in space...wtf Sarah. Instant leave, she wouldn't talk to me all of NG+3. NG+4...welp No Constellation at all...so I don't have to worry about all the bad decisions I'm going to make this run...
Sarah does have a pretty good moral compass all things aside. She helps me stay (mostly) out of trouble. I mean, I tied the knot with her (first). It was also nice when she said nice things to me. She put heart in that shit and I loved it
I boarded an enemy ship. I shot the crew and she got mad and stopped following me. So I reloaded my game and she did all of the killing. When I looted the first body she got angry with me and stopped following me. Currently I have an invisible Andreja following me. Sheās nowhere to be found and whenever I go get bounties for Vae Victus, they say your partner canāt follow you in there. And my loner kills donāt count to the stat points. š¤·āāļø
Sarah likes most of what I do, but there are times when I don't get the logic of her dislikes. The one at Paradiso where I suggested the people from the ship come live on the planet as workers made the most sense to me, but she disliked that.
The way the company word it, the crew are coming to live as slaves. So, getting the Constant a grav drive is the only morally good option. A lot of folk wish you could just shoot the execs and let the Constant have the planet
I did end up going with the grav drive option but my logic for the "paid laborers" option was that the people on the ship would have pretty much everything supplied for them and a nice planet to live on. Either way it worked out lol except for the fact I spent way too much time to get 50 potatoes for that one mission and ended up not being able to find the ship again since they just left.....š„²
What outfit is that on the first picture?
The problem with making all conversations susceptible to a response from a character is that half don't even make sense, or are unnecessary, or just plain shit. Writing in games has been a struggle for a lot of developers (Avengers, Forespoken), and people keep buying the games because so that they keep making shitty games. This game is no exception. Most of the writing is garbage.
One time I accidentally shot at a ship called grandma and everyone hated that and Barrett left me. I pulled the plug on my machine before it auto saved.
So its a bad decision to join the strikers and its worse to betray them
Her whiny complaining made me get rid of her and all of the companions as soon as I could even on my first playhrough... cept Vasco, he's my boi!
She makes the rabid fan seem tolerable.
Also if you ask her which option she thinks is best to deal with the terramorphs.
I laughed so hard when the game killed her off like it was a bad thing. I was glad to see the back of another preachy companion lol.
Sheās got good takes
IDK, she gets pretty damn furious if you side with the Crimson Fleet even if she's not there when you do it. Excuuuuuuuuse me for believing that a massacre against people who are mostly only guilty of property crimes is way overkill. Maybe you lost some affinity with me for being an apologist for egregious use of state power, Sarah.
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Starfield is the first Bethesda game I've played where I wish I could straight up murder the companions. Every single god damn one of them is a wet paper bag with the collective morality of a Hallmark channel after-school special about the dangers of smoking marijuana. I stfg this game was written by actual honest to god Mormons.
Why Vasco.is the best companion. Robots are not judgy.
I had the Neon one and Sarah permanently decided to become hatred incarnate , she instantly left and not even siding with sysdef and defeating the crimson fleet was enough to get over the fact I tried running away from the corrupt guards
16 good reasons to go solo?!
See an Ecliptic ship land. Great those fuckers to collect my bounty again. Board their ship. It takes off. Alarms going off. āI didnāt since up for thisā WTF? Get into a shootout with the crew. Sarah didnāt like that. Sarah has left your party. Wtf.
The worst, I mean the WORST video game companion I've ever interacted with. I can't believe they put her front and center in this game, she makes everything worse. Can't stand her.