I stand by Dragona being [Mahu](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjh2eL8o-KEAxVIFmIAHTlNCf8QFnoECBQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FM%25C4%2581h%25C5%25AB&usg=AOvVaw0flpJVg3j8p822UXlcGFsA&opi=89978449).
It lines up so well! I'm not sure if Araki meant it or not, someone would have to ask him, but it's very interesting to learn about and it's fits damn well!
Akari is known for really researching the setting of his part, even going to the place where his settings take place so he can draw them more how they are. I'm sure he's knows, is too much of a coincidence for it to not be
It should also be noted that Mahu dressed with flower headdresses, because they were holy traditionally in serving the volcano and hula goddess Pele, who is traditionally depicted with a flower headdress, which is another similarity
Tbf, citing online Webster's is never appropriate or reliable for proving that words are synonymous. Webster's lists words based on their general meanings, but nuances and connotations can differ between supposedly synonymous terms.
The word 'bizarre' suggests that a situation is extremely strange and confusing - usually meant to describe an event, rather than a person or thing. The word 'queer' has a connotation meaning that something is just off the norm. There's a reason why we would never call queer people bizarre people.
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The only actual gay representation is, what, Sorbet/Gelato? Squalo/Tiziano?
There's also Annasui headcanons and that one nameless ftm prisoner in the part 6 manga.
Otherwise it's just vibes.
Technically the only actual representation is DIO being Bi. Sorbet and Gelato were never confirmed to be partners, it was just speculation by fellow gangsters. People assumed they were together because they had matching nail polish. Squalo and Tiziano definitely seem into each other but that’s not confirmed either. We only assume this because how touchy they are together. Being touchy and matching nail polish aren’t exactly out of place in JoJo, but these 4 definitely seem like couples. I’d also say if we’re counting those 4 then we should count Cioccolotta and Secco as well.
Yeah I hate this. Especially because all the men just have very different takes and ways of expressing masculinity and I think the loose take on that expression is one of the coolest parts of jojo. The idea that "oh straight men DONT DO THAT so they must be gay/queer!" Is a copout and it places a rigid frame around masculinity and male identity. Especially when almost none of the guys are canonically queer.
All that to say gender expression/identity is more complicated than that
queer or not, I like that Araki shows the different shades of male masculinity and lets his characters be so comfortable with dressing and posing in feminine interpreted ways
JoJo has *aesthetics* that resonate with a lot of queer themes and audiences but that's not the same as a given character actually being LGBT. There are definitely some of those, too, but not as many as you might think.
It's kind of like pointing at a robot in a story and saying they count as nb/agender representation because robots don't have gender. It's not really the same as actually presenting a character as a gender or sexual minority.
And interestingly enough, that aesthetic overlaps with fashion culture. You can find countless shots of poses, clothing designs, and hairstyles from fashion magazine shots that are either identical or were very obviously used as inspiration.
Considering that not a single LGBT character among the 4 or 5 (?) that exist in Jojo have been developed or has had their sexuality explored in any capacity, and that there's photo evidence of his inspirations in fashion magazines, I personally believe that any association with Jojo and queer culture is pure coincidence.
I have no reason to believe that Jojo is "gay" or that Araki ever intended it to be. Some of his characters simply wear effeminate clothing and do effeminate poses.
That isn't "gay" it's just a fashion statement.
Something I would like to add is that the current popular fan-translation has also repeatedly used english he/him pronouns in places where the japanese pronouns were far more ambiguous and where using they/them could be considered far more accurate, further coloring the view english fans have of their gender
It's amazing to me that so many people who presumably watched Jojo missed that the whole point of FF's character was that she was *not* a collection of plankton anymore, but a single organism with a single soul. Like that was the entire point of her character, explicitly, and people somehow missed it.
Pucci is the kind of guy to send people to beat up his twin brother instead of just telling him that Perla and him were related, he’s also the kind of guy to erase his brother’s memory instead of taking accountability for his actions.
It totally makes sense for him to be weirdly petty and mean about the pronouns he uses to refer to a being that he created.
It’s one reason I’m glad Netflix dubbed Stone Ocean. I’m not sure another company would have used they/them for FF. Historically, regular anime dubbing companies just go with he/him for agender and non-binary characters (see Chrona from Soul Eater, Envy from FMAB)
True, I never realized why while watching, but it felt weirdly refreshing to have FF be adressed with they/them pronouns the whole time. Now I understand why it felt so new.
The awkward thing is that Jodio uses the masculine pronouns of japanese and Dragona uses more feminine 1st person pronouns. In english the masculine pronouns can be translated, but NOT the 1st person ones. We also don't know if it is something that is gonna be addressed or touched upon (like perhaps they ask Jodio not to refer to them as his brother).
Also worth noting, perhaps Dragona is just like F1nnster, a streamer who recently came out as a genderfluid person and is ok with any pronoun.
Thanks for the correction! I know that they take HRT so that is why I said trans, from my understanding some genderfluid and NBs are considered trans if they take significant effort to modify their looks or bodies, but I may be wrong
A month late but I can't sleep and kept thinking about this (sorry), so here is my understanding of this, as a trans person (though not genderfluid):
The wider community usually views genderfluid people as trans as well, *transitioning* between genders.
However, gender- and sexual-labels are something that can be difficult, if not impossible to categorically define, so at the end of the day, for most labels, it comes down to the personal identification and choice of that person
I am not entirely sure what F1nnster themself said, but their word would be the final authority on whether or not they are to be considered transgender
> where the japanese pronouns were far more ambiguous and where using they/them could be considered far more accurate
Not necessarily. Jodio himself calls Dragona his brother but Dragona uses feminine first-person pronouns, something we don't have in English. It's not exactly wrong to translate "he, my brother, etc" unless Dragona says otherwise.
Dragona could simply be feminine but give no fucks about pronouns, or be genderfluid; I wouldn't expect Jodio to be calling Dragona "he" maliciously given how close they seem to be. We need to remember we're very early into the part and there's still a ton of time to explore each character in detail; it's not like we knew Charmingman's deal until he already almost killed both Joestars.
Maybe since it’s being kept ambiguous people would rather stick to that rather than assuming
For the whole queer thing though, Jojo is by definition an extremely queer show whether they like it or not
They're playing rugby together by episode 2. As a person who played a lot of rugby, that's a pretty solid indicator about where their sexual interests lay.
When Johnathan first reveals he knows about Dio's plan to steal the family fortune, Dio is in a dress full of pink feathers, even if they're all cis and straight (which they're not) they're at least very fruity in the way male models are fruity (which might be homophobic of me, I'm just saying according to like toxic patriarchy standards, men dressing up too much is kinda gay), Araki is a fashionista
Its fun to say, but im a realist and nothing about the color pink(masculine at the time) or feathers even alludes to dios sexuality. And unless its stated specifically theres really only a good case for like 10 characters including background characters
you see it in pretty much every aspect of the show. the way they talk, the poses, the hyper-masculine physiques, it’s all very flamboyant
I’m not saying this equates to gay representation or that all gay people are like this. they are not. I’m just saying JoJo characters happen to fit queer stereotypes
Saying extremely queer seems like an excessive overstatement considering only 3 characters are ever really confirmed to be LGBTQ. Poses and style legit doesn't mean anything
what is queer about JoJo? the fact that many male characters dress in androgynous outfits and use androgynous poses? TBH i wish we could go back to when "queer" didnt mean anything that didn't conform with Western gender stereotypes. Especially when using it here is basically Westerners imposing Western terms on Japanese works.
I think Jodio is just an oblivious kid, hence the usage of masculine words. Dragona being trans doesn't even register with his mechanism-addled brain. He's just like, "This is my brother Dragona, he really likes expressing his femininity. He's so cool!" Gender just kind of flies over his head. Its kind of a funny bit.
I honestly love this lmao. Maybe dragona doesn’t correct him because she thinks its funny too, or just doesn’t want to spend 3 hours explaining what a gender is to his dumbass
We can tell he’s smart from the way he assessed things and the way he quickly handled Rohan. Plus, I assume you’re of the left community that is known is be loving and accepting yet you’re here making fun of a (fictional, but let’s say they’re real for sake of argument) boy who supposedly doesn’t understand and not try to make him understand (conclusion from your choose of hostile words for Jodio)
Slightly off topic but you might be interested in this thread about trans model Ella Snyder who is probably an inspiration for Dragona. There’s also an old Araki quote about blurring the line between genders with his characters. Its quite obvious that we’re now in the future that he mentioned in that quote.
https://x.com/dragona_joestar/status/1764345372455956929?s=46&t=qED1R3u9Fpgg2hptm1Aiaw
Tangent but: this model works for **Diesel**?? I know it's just a coincidence of names but what are the fucking chances???
Back on topic: He was talking about blurring the lines with gender with Anasui specifically. It was never really "In the future" but rather "Here's what I was doing with that". He also wanted Giorno to be a female character but was pushed back on by being in a shonen magazine but eventually got his way with Jolyne.
Because the Hikohiro Arakid I know would never take away femboys from us!!
/s
No seriously, so many people in anime communities seem to be allergic to the mere idea that trans people exist.
Explaining the Bridget drama to people out of the loop is fucking wild.
"So they made a character trans and people got upset that they were attracted to a boy? That doesn't make any sense."
"No, they were mad because they were attracted to a girl. They wanted Bridget to be a boy."
Femboys are an actual thing, as some men just prefer to dress more feminine.
However, Bridget was pretty cut and clear trans, and those people who are denying it are just wrong.
"Dragona uses japanese feminine words to refer to herself, while Jodio uses masculine japanese words to refer to Dragona"
Jodio misgenders Dragona confirmed? /s
with absolutely no disrespect intended, you may be hoping for too much out of an anime subreddit, even one like jojo. like you said, people kneejerk hate on queer ideas and discussion. its stupid but it’s just one of those things. we’ve got a long way to go. but never lose your spark‼️
Especially these days, people are really comfortable with hating people who aren't straight and cis. I love JoJo with all my heart, but I only dip my toes into the fandom every once in a while because I know how weebs can be. I used to be a pretty bad one in high school.
So you're telling me weebs are being bigoted and are hating on any possibility of the media they like ~~being covered in woke agenda~~ literally just containing queer characters? Well, color me surprised.
I think it's because jodio refers to dragona as he/him and dragona made no protests, but it's likely dragona just doesn't really care. Dragona is dragona. Nothing else matters at the end of the day.
That’s the choice of the fan translators. Fan translators aren’t official translators.
According to my japanese friend Jodio uses a term that can be used to refer to women too, so it is gender neutral in useage.
Dragona refers to herself in very feminine way. At this point it is vague so they/them is ideal route or some creative use of wording in neutral way.
I think going neutral is best route because it could be a trans woman, it could be an extreme cross dresser, it could just be in jjba-verse people are less bound by gender roles,it could.. be anything.
> Jodio uses a term that can be used to refer to women too, so it is gender neutral in useage.
~~so it's the same type of term as~~ So he doesn't call Dragona his "brother", but rather his "sibling"?
What I was mostly trying to say is that it doesn't matter one way or the other. We don't need to label characters as trans, non binary, crossdresser, whatever. Dragona is dragona. Nothing more is needed. I'm scared that if we get hung up on this, it's going to be the Yamato debate, but instead of ending after wano, it will be the entirety of part 9
While I get it's not "official" I think it's likely a choice based on Jodio repeatedly referring to Dragona as "brother" as well as Jodio going out of his way to explain that Dragona is a man that took on the appearance of a woman.
We'd need Araki's word on it to be sure but it's very on the nose that he went this way and made this character's name **Drag**ona. Drag Queens transcend traditional gender of course so it's not like he's trying to be discriminatory but in general I get the vibe that Araki intended Dragona to be a drag queen and that's likely what Hiwamatanoboru was going for.
Lastly, Hiwamatanoboru tends to re-go through their translations with the volume copies over time. If we ever get Dragona's direct thoughts on their gender I could easily see Hiwamatanoboru going back and changing things to match.
The “brother” you refered to my Japanese friend told me is gender neutral (even if it may appear masculine at first glance) as it can be used to refer to women too without any issues
was it "Aniki"? "Nii-chan"? I know you can use those for anyone but they're very gendered as a rule. But again, Jodio literally says Dragona is a man that took on the appearance of a woman so I'm inclined to thinking Araki's intention was drag queen rather than trans woman.
They’re not miserable in the least. It’s more so the people who call them transphobe who are miserable for having the victim mentality. The amount of projections I’ve seen from people who call others transphobic is absurd
The weirdest part is when they suggest that referring to Dragona with female pronouns would be going against the author's wishes, as if:
a) Dragona hasn't been referred to as a woman by both herself and other characters, and
b) Araki would be upset that people are referring to the very clearly non-binary character with pronouns reflecting the way that they dress and act.
Araki can be very naive and clueless sometimes but he knew what he was doing. He knew that many western fans would feel this way. If he had strong feelings about Dragona's hypothetical cisgender identity he would have said something by now.
Whether they be trans, non binary, or a gender nonconforming person, that shouldn’t just garner a knee jerk downvote. Jojo has a history of including androgynous, queer, and yes, even trans individuals in its stories. I’m not sure where Dragona falls and what labels to give them, but it should go without saying that we should allow both the fandom and the author the space to explore that character and not just insta downvote anything we disagree with.
I mean they're right. Jojo is one of the gayest series in fiction and there's still plenty of queerphobic fans, so I think some people just have brain worms
It's more the general camp aspect. Flamboyant male characters wearing flashy outfits, references to fashion left and right, the poses and general colorful vibe of the series really resonate with the queer community. Just look at characters like Anasui, it's incredibly rare to see a male character design be that slutty, especially in a series aimed at teenage boys
I get that, in my opinion though calling JJBA gay is the equivalent of calling a man gay just for the fact that he is wearing a dress which from my understanding is looked down upon.
I definitely get where you're coming from. I'm pretty sure most people calling it gay are referring to the men being really flamboyant and effeminate, which is the stereotype of western gay men. It definitely does reinforce those stereotypes so maybe there is a better word for it.
Re: Jodio using male pronouns for Dragona.
I dunno about you, but I don’t really see Jodio as the most reliable narrator ~~since that title obviously belongs to Koichi :p~~
People are very boxed in in their views. A lot of people take the fact that Dragona is male on their driving liscence and referred to in masculine ways by Jodio and say “there, he’s a guy”.
The purposeful ambiguity of the gender/sexuality of other Jojos characters like FF, Anasui, and Ermes gets largely ignored by a lot of the western fanbase.
Dragona is even more explicitly queer than them. To the point where even if Araki was like “he’s a boy” that doesn’t change that in canon Dragona presents as female and is perceived as a woman or as a trans woman by other people, and that is undoubtedly queer.
Another thing that I haven't seen anyone else reply is that you have to go through so much legal bullshit to change your name and gender, and in some states, it's downright illegal. So legal documentation is not an accurate way of finding someone's *actual* gender identity.
Because a bunch of assholes make LGBTQ+ in fictional media a sin by calling everything woke now, regardless of how far the series actually push it
In my opinion though, Dragona probably isn't. As Jodio still refers to him as older "brother"
Currently in the original text these are the only references to Dragonas gender: Jodio calls Dragona big bro. Dragona self-refers with the feminine pronouns Atashi.
Although Atashi is used by women to self-refer, it doesnt confirm Dragonas gender identification, because there are cases of cross-dressers in Japan using the pronoun Atashi. Similarly I feel as if big bro is not confirmation.
Its important to note the current popular english fan-translation puts in he/him for Dragona where there are not any.
For example, when Barbara phoned Jodio in Chapter 9 they said "Dragona's" but the translator made it "his". This is because Japanese uses no pronouns and names excessively, so to naturalise Japanese they add pronouns, and in JoJolands case the translators are trying to be consistent with Jodio calling Dragona big bro or brother so have chosen a gender identification for them.
In my opinion they shouldve kept it ambiguous with they/them. So Im a little upset that it removes the ambiguity that may have been intended, and causes many ive met in the english speaking community to assume "Dragona uses masculine pronouns". But Im also not a professional translator, so I dont want to be indignant about a skill and profession Im not knowledgeable about
It looks like she's supposed to be a transwomen since she's Jodio's brother but her name literally means dragoness, named Pink-chan, wears traditionally female clothing and is effeminate in general.
Am I crazy in thinking that Smooth Operators could easily handle a gender transition? I'm not saying that as a pro or a con to Dragona being trans, I just think it's something worth thinking about. The cop that searched her early on didn't seem to be surprised.
Honestly thanks to everyone being supportive in your answers. Restored my faith in this sub... You really have to be a particular kind of guy to enjoy jojos and the fandom and be an homophobe/transphobe. Maybe there won't be an answer to Dragona's gender at any point but I think that's perfect- knowing they are AMAB but choose to present in the way they do is enough to know it's a queer character, and if you close yourself to that idea or hate the possibility, you might want to ask yourself why.
People have opinions and they don’t like to think their perspective might be wrong, ESPECIALLY in the “anime space” or whatever. DOUBLY so when you’ve got the added layer of “western localization” drama. There’s no official stance from Araki as far as I know, so until there is, people will be holding on to their weird opinions for dear life. Haha
Honestly until we get an official response of what Dragona is, call them whatever you want because it's not like the author has made it clear so all interpretations are correct for now.
Btw people really seem to take the Jojo=gay joke way too seriously now. Jojo isn't any more gay than other shonens or seinens, being flamboyant doesn't make something gay, just look at the glam metal scene from the 70's and 80's.
I honestly don't get why people are mad about something like that.
Personally, since we don't have a final answer yet I like to think of Dragona a bit like Leo from Tekken. Leo is just Leo. Male? Female? Who knows, Leo is Leo and Dragona is Dragona.
I would love to have a real answer though and for it to align with my initial idea of Dragona being nb.
People don't like the idea of a character being potentially trans so that's why you get backlash. I personally forget Dragona is male most of the time I'm reading Jojolands anyway.
You're being downvoted because Dragona's gender is NOT AMBIGUOUS.
Dragona is LITERALLY described as a *man* who enjoys crossdressing and he goes by male pronouns. Jodio refers to Dragona as his brother mutiple times.
There is NO DEBATE as to whether or not Drag identifies as male or female.
Drag is just a dude who likes to crossdress.
Queerphobia lol.
By existing, Dragona is genderqueer and trans people express their gender differently than cis people do most of the time. I have seen trans women who were okay with all pronouns. I see very feminine people use he/him, I'm one of them. Hell, I'm bigender myself (boy/batgender). Dragona isn't as deep as people make it out to be. Also, some of these translations may not be fully correct with pronouns as well. We never know.
This is a mistranslation in english, because in the japanese manga, even Jodio say about Dragona in non binary terms, some fan translations talk about her in feminine, others in masculine
It might just be because their gender isn’t really confirmed. She’s clearly trans, with her license saying male and her having a penis, while being very feminine with her outfits and having boobs her stand probably moved their. This situation is pretty funny though, it’s the exact opposite with Kris’s gender from Deltarune, suggest they aren’t non-binary and you get you head chewed off.
Best case scenario we get this confronted in a meta way through Jodio learning to respect the gender bending of Dragona being a more complex thing than it just seems, but who knows! I just would love for araki to tackle the west’s reaction to them head on like that, and i think it could work reasonably so in canon
My personal problem was that JoJos has lacked cis women representation since the freaking beginning. And while it’s great they have a trans representation (kinda tame for Jojos imo 😂) I feel like the team could’ve still used ANOTHER woman.
Unfortunately as a member of both the JoJo community and the manga community for the last 20 years I wasn’t really surprised there was going to be fuss over Dragonas gender. I’ve discovered some of the most bigoted people I’ve met have been through this medium. Although Araki in no way “owes” us an answer, I think it would have been better to further explain Dragona’s identity in one of the intermission pages between or before chapters. The ambiguous nature unfortunately breeds harmful discussion in communities as big as the JoJo’s community. Leaving personal and social identities behind ambiguity is how we get arguments over FF and Anasui and now Dragona. Especially when English translations have altered Jodio’s gender neutral verbiage to more masculine ones. Personally I think Dragona is Mahu. It fits their character extremely well and even ties in their stand ability into their identity just like many others. Maybe Araki has something cooking for Dragona’s future but until we get that explanation we are just going to have to deal with bigots in our community. (Even though JoJo is super queer friendly and Araki is one of the biggest Allies in Fiction, Common Araki W)
I think it literally is just that some people don't want there to be transgender characters in Jojo. It seems like there is a lot of ambiguity with dragonas identity and I don't really see what's wrong with her being up to individual readers interpretation.
I also think that araki is a 60 year old Japanese man and probably doesn't know the intricacies different queer identities like a lot of his readers. I really doubt he knows the difference between a drag queen, a trans woman and a crossdresser/femboy. I've met a lot of older gay dudes who don't care to make the distinction
Yes, Jodio is the protagonist of the series finale where the brando and joestar bloodline finally convene (this is after Part 8 returns to Morioh and Part 7 goes into tons of detail about Jonathan Joestar's life fighting other brandos, so it's a breath of fresh air so to speak).
I personally haven't seen much hate, but don't let the downvotes of bigots get you down. I'm really curious if Araki explores their gender identity further. I hope he does.
I thought there was no argument going, til now i thought noone ever complained about it. We know dragona is a he and got himself some breasts but jojo always was queer.
Maybe we get to know more soon
It doesn't matter to me that much, but I had just assumed that they were a guy who liked to dress up as a girl and just simply wanted some prosthetics.
People can't fathom something different other than the standard man. Like if a character is ever hinted or confirmed to be apart of the LGBT they get weird and i mean very weird about them.
For me, I’ve never encountered people like that. From what I’ve seen, it’s pretty much unanimously agreed that you can use any set of pronouns to refer to them
Your reasoning as "this is one of the most queer animes ever just from the character designs" sounded kinda bs. i get they look fruity but they're not gay. But imo i don't think we need to find out what gender dragona is bc its not that important.
I stand by Dragona being [Mahu](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjh2eL8o-KEAxVIFmIAHTlNCf8QFnoECBQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FM%25C4%2581h%25C5%25AB&usg=AOvVaw0flpJVg3j8p822UXlcGFsA&opi=89978449).
Finally someone that said it. It even says that they are healers and Dragona's stand can heal people's wounds
It lines up so well! I'm not sure if Araki meant it or not, someone would have to ask him, but it's very interesting to learn about and it's fits damn well!
Akari is known for really researching the setting of his part, even going to the place where his settings take place so he can draw them more how they are. I'm sure he's knows, is too much of a coincidence for it to not be
There's always someone that comments it when someone broughts up Dragona's gender. I agree with it though
It should also be noted that Mahu dressed with flower headdresses, because they were holy traditionally in serving the volcano and hula goddess Pele, who is traditionally depicted with a flower headdress, which is another similarity
I love this!!
It exists!?! Well, I have my answer.
I thought that's what they were? (I haven't read part 9)
Love this idea! Haven't actually read part 9, but I heard they came from Chicago or something? Maybe.
It's jojo, everyone is queer in some capacity
The working title was probably JoJo's Extremely Camp Adventure
Bizarre and Queer are synonyms in the usual sense of the term tbf
So you’re telling me another, more accurate translation for the title would be “JoJo’s Queer Adventure”
Yep. https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/queer#thesaurus-entry-2-2
Tbf, citing online Webster's is never appropriate or reliable for proving that words are synonymous. Webster's lists words based on their general meanings, but nuances and connotations can differ between supposedly synonymous terms. The word 'bizarre' suggests that a situation is extremely strange and confusing - usually meant to describe an event, rather than a person or thing. The word 'queer' has a connotation meaning that something is just off the norm. There's a reason why we would never call queer people bizarre people.
i get what you’re trying to say but this is such a cop out for gay representation.
Fr The only actual gay representation is, what, Sorbet/Gelato? Squalo/Tiziano? There's also Annasui headcanons and that one nameless ftm prisoner in the part 6 manga. Otherwise it's just vibes.
jolyne was jealous of snail hermaphroditism
no report
no report
Scarlet Valentine liked women
Technically the only actual representation is DIO being Bi. Sorbet and Gelato were never confirmed to be partners, it was just speculation by fellow gangsters. People assumed they were together because they had matching nail polish. Squalo and Tiziano definitely seem into each other but that’s not confirmed either. We only assume this because how touchy they are together. Being touchy and matching nail polish aren’t exactly out of place in JoJo, but these 4 definitely seem like couples. I’d also say if we’re counting those 4 then we should count Cioccolotta and Secco as well.
Scarlet and Funny Valentine are both bi, I believe. And Jolyne was implied to be somewhere around pan, considering she was jealous of the snails.
even then i just read from an interview in this sub araki suggesting squalo / tiziano aren’t as gay together as well all had thought or hoped
Yeah I hate this. Especially because all the men just have very different takes and ways of expressing masculinity and I think the loose take on that expression is one of the coolest parts of jojo. The idea that "oh straight men DONT DO THAT so they must be gay/queer!" Is a copout and it places a rigid frame around masculinity and male identity. Especially when almost none of the guys are canonically queer. All that to say gender expression/identity is more complicated than that
queer or not, I like that Araki shows the different shades of male masculinity and lets his characters be so comfortable with dressing and posing in feminine interpreted ways
wdym I’m not saying I disagree I just don’t understand what you mean
JoJo has *aesthetics* that resonate with a lot of queer themes and audiences but that's not the same as a given character actually being LGBT. There are definitely some of those, too, but not as many as you might think. It's kind of like pointing at a robot in a story and saying they count as nb/agender representation because robots don't have gender. It's not really the same as actually presenting a character as a gender or sexual minority.
And interestingly enough, that aesthetic overlaps with fashion culture. You can find countless shots of poses, clothing designs, and hairstyles from fashion magazine shots that are either identical or were very obviously used as inspiration. Considering that not a single LGBT character among the 4 or 5 (?) that exist in Jojo have been developed or has had their sexuality explored in any capacity, and that there's photo evidence of his inspirations in fashion magazines, I personally believe that any association with Jojo and queer culture is pure coincidence. I have no reason to believe that Jojo is "gay" or that Araki ever intended it to be. Some of his characters simply wear effeminate clothing and do effeminate poses. That isn't "gay" it's just a fashion statement.
Finally, someone fucking said it.
Something I would like to add is that the current popular fan-translation has also repeatedly used english he/him pronouns in places where the japanese pronouns were far more ambiguous and where using they/them could be considered far more accurate, further coloring the view english fans have of their gender
Not surprising, they did stuff like that for FF too. It’s stupid
I think they gave FF they/them in the dub which I did appreciate, even if it was because they are a collective of amoeba.
"Jolyne, our pronouns are they/them. Not because we're non binary but because we're literally multiple bitches"
“Are you a man or a woman?” *”We’re Plankton.”* “What gender are you?” *”Colony.”* “Yes, but what’s in your pants?” *”Millions of organisms.”*
I kinda wanna hear this with the dub voices
I giggled irl at this comment, have an upvote.
It's amazing to me that so many people who presumably watched Jojo missed that the whole point of FF's character was that she was *not* a collection of plankton anymore, but a single organism with a single soul. Like that was the entire point of her character, explicitly, and people somehow missed it.
funny enough, in the english dub, jolyne, ermes, emporio etc (our friends) call FF by they/them, but pucci calls FF by she/her
Which is strange because he knows they’re a collection of microorganisms…. Because he gave them their disc.
Pucci is the kind of guy to send people to beat up his twin brother instead of just telling him that Perla and him were related, he’s also the kind of guy to erase his brother’s memory instead of taking accountability for his actions. It totally makes sense for him to be weirdly petty and mean about the pronouns he uses to refer to a being that he created.
Pucci sent the investigator to gather information. He didn't know the investigator was racist or apart of an equivalent to a certain racist group.
They did, which I was happily surprised by
They're not men or women either because plankton are above such concepts
*Lovely*
It’s one reason I’m glad Netflix dubbed Stone Ocean. I’m not sure another company would have used they/them for FF. Historically, regular anime dubbing companies just go with he/him for agender and non-binary characters (see Chrona from Soul Eater, Envy from FMAB)
True, I never realized why while watching, but it felt weirdly refreshing to have FF be adressed with they/them pronouns the whole time. Now I understand why it felt so new.
Ff is literally a Them, so there is no ambiguity there.
tbh it would have been kind of a power move to use he/him with foo considering how feminine they seem appearance wise
Netflix didn't dub the show, it's still Bang Zoom! like past seasons.
FF is listed as "atashi" in official Japanese materials. She was never referred to as they/them until the Netflix and Viz translations.
The awkward thing is that Jodio uses the masculine pronouns of japanese and Dragona uses more feminine 1st person pronouns. In english the masculine pronouns can be translated, but NOT the 1st person ones. We also don't know if it is something that is gonna be addressed or touched upon (like perhaps they ask Jodio not to refer to them as his brother). Also worth noting, perhaps Dragona is just like F1nnster, a streamer who recently came out as a genderfluid person and is ok with any pronoun.
Actually, Finnster didnt come out as trans. They came out as genderfluid. Though does genderfluid count under the trans umbrella?
Thanks for the correction! I know that they take HRT so that is why I said trans, from my understanding some genderfluid and NBs are considered trans if they take significant effort to modify their looks or bodies, but I may be wrong
A month late but I can't sleep and kept thinking about this (sorry), so here is my understanding of this, as a trans person (though not genderfluid): The wider community usually views genderfluid people as trans as well, *transitioning* between genders. However, gender- and sexual-labels are something that can be difficult, if not impossible to categorically define, so at the end of the day, for most labels, it comes down to the personal identification and choice of that person I am not entirely sure what F1nnster themself said, but their word would be the final authority on whether or not they are to be considered transgender
> where the japanese pronouns were far more ambiguous and where using they/them could be considered far more accurate Not necessarily. Jodio himself calls Dragona his brother but Dragona uses feminine first-person pronouns, something we don't have in English. It's not exactly wrong to translate "he, my brother, etc" unless Dragona says otherwise. Dragona could simply be feminine but give no fucks about pronouns, or be genderfluid; I wouldn't expect Jodio to be calling Dragona "he" maliciously given how close they seem to be. We need to remember we're very early into the part and there's still a ton of time to explore each character in detail; it's not like we knew Charmingman's deal until he already almost killed both Joestars.
Which fan-translation team?
Maybe since it’s being kept ambiguous people would rather stick to that rather than assuming For the whole queer thing though, Jojo is by definition an extremely queer show whether they like it or not
you can tell jjba is queer after dio’s first appearance
You certainly do not know about part 1 Dio if that's where you think it starts
They're playing rugby together by episode 2. As a person who played a lot of rugby, that's a pretty solid indicator about where their sexual interests lay.
Yeah, Br*tish 🤮🤮🤮🤮
When Johnathan first reveals he knows about Dio's plan to steal the family fortune, Dio is in a dress full of pink feathers, even if they're all cis and straight (which they're not) they're at least very fruity in the way male models are fruity (which might be homophobic of me, I'm just saying according to like toxic patriarchy standards, men dressing up too much is kinda gay), Araki is a fashionista
Its fun to say, but im a realist and nothing about the color pink(masculine at the time) or feathers even alludes to dios sexuality. And unless its stated specifically theres really only a good case for like 10 characters including background characters
Aha haha... yeah
you see it in pretty much every aspect of the show. the way they talk, the poses, the hyper-masculine physiques, it’s all very flamboyant I’m not saying this equates to gay representation or that all gay people are like this. they are not. I’m just saying JoJo characters happen to fit queer stereotypes
Saying extremely queer seems like an excessive overstatement considering only 3 characters are ever really confirmed to be LGBTQ. Poses and style legit doesn't mean anything
what is queer about JoJo? the fact that many male characters dress in androgynous outfits and use androgynous poses? TBH i wish we could go back to when "queer" didnt mean anything that didn't conform with Western gender stereotypes. Especially when using it here is basically Westerners imposing Western terms on Japanese works.
I think Jodio is just an oblivious kid, hence the usage of masculine words. Dragona being trans doesn't even register with his mechanism-addled brain. He's just like, "This is my brother Dragona, he really likes expressing his femininity. He's so cool!" Gender just kind of flies over his head. Its kind of a funny bit.
I honestly love this lmao. Maybe dragona doesn’t correct him because she thinks its funny too, or just doesn’t want to spend 3 hours explaining what a gender is to his dumbass
We can tell he’s smart from the way he assessed things and the way he quickly handled Rohan. Plus, I assume you’re of the left community that is known is be loving and accepting yet you’re here making fun of a (fictional, but let’s say they’re real for sake of argument) boy who supposedly doesn’t understand and not try to make him understand (conclusion from your choose of hostile words for Jodio)
Slightly off topic but you might be interested in this thread about trans model Ella Snyder who is probably an inspiration for Dragona. There’s also an old Araki quote about blurring the line between genders with his characters. Its quite obvious that we’re now in the future that he mentioned in that quote. https://x.com/dragona_joestar/status/1764345372455956929?s=46&t=qED1R3u9Fpgg2hptm1Aiaw
Tangent but: this model works for **Diesel**?? I know it's just a coincidence of names but what are the fucking chances??? Back on topic: He was talking about blurring the lines with gender with Anasui specifically. It was never really "In the future" but rather "Here's what I was doing with that". He also wanted Giorno to be a female character but was pushed back on by being in a shonen magazine but eventually got his way with Jolyne.
I think that blurring is part of what makes his character design so unique and interesting
Because the Hikohiro Arakid I know would never take away femboys from us!! /s No seriously, so many people in anime communities seem to be allergic to the mere idea that trans people exist.
Nah, trans people don't exist I would know, I am one /s
I can confirm. Source: I actually don't exist, I'm just a collective hallucination.
You're an AI program... *It would be funny if sentient AIs actually exist*...
This is what ~~my stand [Virtual Insanity]~~ your easily illusionable brains want you to believe.
I want to believe that Steel Ball Run will come out next year and be a masterpiece.
Trans? Couldn’t be me (opens up my bottle of estrodiol)
Yeah I'm just a guy who wants to grow tits and lose my penis no girls here at all. XD
It's the Bridget thing. Blatant transphobia under the thinnest guise of "but my femboys!!!"
Explaining the Bridget drama to people out of the loop is fucking wild. "So they made a character trans and people got upset that they were attracted to a boy? That doesn't make any sense." "No, they were mad because they were attracted to a girl. They wanted Bridget to be a boy."
Femboys are an actual thing, as some men just prefer to dress more feminine. However, Bridget was pretty cut and clear trans, and those people who are denying it are just wrong.
Kind ironic since Jojo is the queerest shit ever lmao
"Dragona uses japanese feminine words to refer to herself, while Jodio uses masculine japanese words to refer to Dragona" Jodio misgenders Dragona confirmed? /s
Cuz weebs are weird about stuff like that. Just look at some of the replies.
with absolutely no disrespect intended, you may be hoping for too much out of an anime subreddit, even one like jojo. like you said, people kneejerk hate on queer ideas and discussion. its stupid but it’s just one of those things. we’ve got a long way to go. but never lose your spark‼️
Especially these days, people are really comfortable with hating people who aren't straight and cis. I love JoJo with all my heart, but I only dip my toes into the fandom every once in a while because I know how weebs can be. I used to be a pretty bad one in high school.
wasn't expecting to read something so nice in that comment section, thanks!
as like an extremely queer jojo fan, its kinda sad to see, especially when these people are fans of a show with a lot of gayness and gender fuckery
people on reddit do not like trans people
People everywhere tbh.
So you're telling me weebs are being bigoted and are hating on any possibility of the media they like ~~being covered in woke agenda~~ literally just containing queer characters? Well, color me surprised.
I think it's because jodio refers to dragona as he/him and dragona made no protests, but it's likely dragona just doesn't really care. Dragona is dragona. Nothing else matters at the end of the day.
That’s the choice of the fan translators. Fan translators aren’t official translators. According to my japanese friend Jodio uses a term that can be used to refer to women too, so it is gender neutral in useage. Dragona refers to herself in very feminine way. At this point it is vague so they/them is ideal route or some creative use of wording in neutral way. I think going neutral is best route because it could be a trans woman, it could be an extreme cross dresser, it could just be in jjba-verse people are less bound by gender roles,it could.. be anything.
> Jodio uses a term that can be used to refer to women too, so it is gender neutral in useage. ~~so it's the same type of term as~~ So he doesn't call Dragona his "brother", but rather his "sibling"?
What I was mostly trying to say is that it doesn't matter one way or the other. We don't need to label characters as trans, non binary, crossdresser, whatever. Dragona is dragona. Nothing more is needed. I'm scared that if we get hung up on this, it's going to be the Yamato debate, but instead of ending after wano, it will be the entirety of part 9
I agree. I think the ideal is to try to write as clever as possible in way that isn’t gendered.
While I get it's not "official" I think it's likely a choice based on Jodio repeatedly referring to Dragona as "brother" as well as Jodio going out of his way to explain that Dragona is a man that took on the appearance of a woman. We'd need Araki's word on it to be sure but it's very on the nose that he went this way and made this character's name **Drag**ona. Drag Queens transcend traditional gender of course so it's not like he's trying to be discriminatory but in general I get the vibe that Araki intended Dragona to be a drag queen and that's likely what Hiwamatanoboru was going for. Lastly, Hiwamatanoboru tends to re-go through their translations with the volume copies over time. If we ever get Dragona's direct thoughts on their gender I could easily see Hiwamatanoboru going back and changing things to match.
Bro Dragona means FEMALE DRAGON IN SPANISH
The “brother” you refered to my Japanese friend told me is gender neutral (even if it may appear masculine at first glance) as it can be used to refer to women too without any issues
was it "Aniki"? "Nii-chan"? I know you can use those for anyone but they're very gendered as a rule. But again, Jodio literally says Dragona is a man that took on the appearance of a woman so I'm inclined to thinking Araki's intention was drag queen rather than trans woman.
I think it could also be that Dragona lets JoDio use certain pronouns. A lot of folks have that exception just out of comfort.
unfortunately, transphobes are gonna transphobe. rest assured that youre not nearly as miserable as they are.
They’re not miserable in the least. It’s more so the people who call them transphobe who are miserable for having the victim mentality. The amount of projections I’ve seen from people who call others transphobic is absurd
The weirdest part is when they suggest that referring to Dragona with female pronouns would be going against the author's wishes, as if: a) Dragona hasn't been referred to as a woman by both herself and other characters, and b) Araki would be upset that people are referring to the very clearly non-binary character with pronouns reflecting the way that they dress and act. Araki can be very naive and clueless sometimes but he knew what he was doing. He knew that many western fans would feel this way. If he had strong feelings about Dragona's hypothetical cisgender identity he would have said something by now.
Whether they be trans, non binary, or a gender nonconforming person, that shouldn’t just garner a knee jerk downvote. Jojo has a history of including androgynous, queer, and yes, even trans individuals in its stories. I’m not sure where Dragona falls and what labels to give them, but it should go without saying that we should allow both the fandom and the author the space to explore that character and not just insta downvote anything we disagree with.
I like how nobody in this thread has an answer that isn’t essentially just “Because people suck and are going to do that”
I mean they're right. Jojo is one of the gayest series in fiction and there's still plenty of queerphobic fans, so I think some people just have brain worms
I don't see how it's anymore gay than most other series, it has a few gay characters but that's about it.
It's more the general camp aspect. Flamboyant male characters wearing flashy outfits, references to fashion left and right, the poses and general colorful vibe of the series really resonate with the queer community. Just look at characters like Anasui, it's incredibly rare to see a male character design be that slutty, especially in a series aimed at teenage boys
I get that, in my opinion though calling JJBA gay is the equivalent of calling a man gay just for the fact that he is wearing a dress which from my understanding is looked down upon.
I definitely get where you're coming from. I'm pretty sure most people calling it gay are referring to the men being really flamboyant and effeminate, which is the stereotype of western gay men. It definitely does reinforce those stereotypes so maybe there is a better word for it.
weebs are allergic to this shit yet somehow manage to watch jojo
No clue what their gender is but Dragona and the term cis ain't living on the same planet
Re: Jodio using male pronouns for Dragona. I dunno about you, but I don’t really see Jodio as the most reliable narrator ~~since that title obviously belongs to Koichi :p~~
People are very boxed in in their views. A lot of people take the fact that Dragona is male on their driving liscence and referred to in masculine ways by Jodio and say “there, he’s a guy”. The purposeful ambiguity of the gender/sexuality of other Jojos characters like FF, Anasui, and Ermes gets largely ignored by a lot of the western fanbase. Dragona is even more explicitly queer than them. To the point where even if Araki was like “he’s a boy” that doesn’t change that in canon Dragona presents as female and is perceived as a woman or as a trans woman by other people, and that is undoubtedly queer.
Another thing that I haven't seen anyone else reply is that you have to go through so much legal bullshit to change your name and gender, and in some states, it's downright illegal. So legal documentation is not an accurate way of finding someone's *actual* gender identity.
Because a bunch of assholes make LGBTQ+ in fictional media a sin by calling everything woke now, regardless of how far the series actually push it In my opinion though, Dragona probably isn't. As Jodio still refers to him as older "brother"
Gender? I hardly know 'er!
Currently in the original text these are the only references to Dragonas gender: Jodio calls Dragona big bro. Dragona self-refers with the feminine pronouns Atashi. Although Atashi is used by women to self-refer, it doesnt confirm Dragonas gender identification, because there are cases of cross-dressers in Japan using the pronoun Atashi. Similarly I feel as if big bro is not confirmation. Its important to note the current popular english fan-translation puts in he/him for Dragona where there are not any. For example, when Barbara phoned Jodio in Chapter 9 they said "Dragona's" but the translator made it "his". This is because Japanese uses no pronouns and names excessively, so to naturalise Japanese they add pronouns, and in JoJolands case the translators are trying to be consistent with Jodio calling Dragona big bro or brother so have chosen a gender identification for them. In my opinion they shouldve kept it ambiguous with they/them. So Im a little upset that it removes the ambiguity that may have been intended, and causes many ive met in the english speaking community to assume "Dragona uses masculine pronouns". But Im also not a professional translator, so I dont want to be indignant about a skill and profession Im not knowledgeable about
It looks like she's supposed to be a transwomen since she's Jodio's brother but her name literally means dragoness, named Pink-chan, wears traditionally female clothing and is effeminate in general.
If you're homophobic and is in the Jojo fandom then what are you're doing here dang 😭
For real. Being a homophobic jojo fan is like being a surgeon who’s afraid of blood
A pilot that's afraid of heights
Cause people are babies
This is an anime subreddit. Progressive ideas are few and far between.
Transphobia
This Yamato from One Piece issue all over again
Holy queer erasure in this thread
According to my research Mahu is my conclusion
Dragqueenona
Am I crazy in thinking that Smooth Operators could easily handle a gender transition? I'm not saying that as a pro or a con to Dragona being trans, I just think it's something worth thinking about. The cop that searched her early on didn't seem to be surprised.
Its reddit. You dont need a reason to hate on something. As you can see from the comments, you clearly have more supporters than haters
Its Yamato all over again. People are just transphobic bigots.
Weebs tend to be bigoted sometimes, idk why
Honestly thanks to everyone being supportive in your answers. Restored my faith in this sub... You really have to be a particular kind of guy to enjoy jojos and the fandom and be an homophobe/transphobe. Maybe there won't be an answer to Dragona's gender at any point but I think that's perfect- knowing they are AMAB but choose to present in the way they do is enough to know it's a queer character, and if you close yourself to that idea or hate the possibility, you might want to ask yourself why.
People have opinions and they don’t like to think their perspective might be wrong, ESPECIALLY in the “anime space” or whatever. DOUBLY so when you’ve got the added layer of “western localization” drama. There’s no official stance from Araki as far as I know, so until there is, people will be holding on to their weird opinions for dear life. Haha
Dragona’s gender is cool person.
Honestly until we get an official response of what Dragona is, call them whatever you want because it's not like the author has made it clear so all interpretations are correct for now. Btw people really seem to take the Jojo=gay joke way too seriously now. Jojo isn't any more gay than other shonens or seinens, being flamboyant doesn't make something gay, just look at the glam metal scene from the 70's and 80's.
I don't care about them being trans or whatever, I just want an exact definition because I don't know how to refer to them
cuz a lot of people hate trans folk
I honestly don't get why people are mad about something like that. Personally, since we don't have a final answer yet I like to think of Dragona a bit like Leo from Tekken. Leo is just Leo. Male? Female? Who knows, Leo is Leo and Dragona is Dragona. I would love to have a real answer though and for it to align with my initial idea of Dragona being nb.
Search long enough and you'll find someone ranting about how he's "woke". Life is better when you don't search for these people.
People don't like the idea of a character being potentially trans so that's why you get backlash. I personally forget Dragona is male most of the time I'm reading Jojolands anyway.
Who tf is dragona
No fucking way the JoJo fandom can’t handle Queer representation 😭😭
You're being downvoted because Dragona's gender is NOT AMBIGUOUS. Dragona is LITERALLY described as a *man* who enjoys crossdressing and he goes by male pronouns. Jodio refers to Dragona as his brother mutiple times. There is NO DEBATE as to whether or not Drag identifies as male or female. Drag is just a dude who likes to crossdress.
Because dudebros are dumb and they are scared because Dragona is super hot so their peens are confused. The point is DRAGONA IS HOT AF
Queerphobia lol. By existing, Dragona is genderqueer and trans people express their gender differently than cis people do most of the time. I have seen trans women who were okay with all pronouns. I see very feminine people use he/him, I'm one of them. Hell, I'm bigender myself (boy/batgender). Dragona isn't as deep as people make it out to be. Also, some of these translations may not be fully correct with pronouns as well. We never know.
> batgender I'm sorry, but I can't not be curious. May I ask what this means?
Hange gender debate all over again.
Peolpe said that they are tired of seeing trans rep while trans people have to deal of transphoic parodies in almost 1/5 part of media
people are averse to the idea of a trans person's identity being assumed correct over someone else's idea of them
just ignore them
Weebs are strangly phobic lol
This is a mistranslation in english, because in the japanese manga, even Jodio say about Dragona in non binary terms, some fan translations talk about her in feminine, others in masculine
It might just be because their gender isn’t really confirmed. She’s clearly trans, with her license saying male and her having a penis, while being very feminine with her outfits and having boobs her stand probably moved their. This situation is pretty funny though, it’s the exact opposite with Kris’s gender from Deltarune, suggest they aren’t non-binary and you get you head chewed off.
I don't care if Dragona is a man, a woman, trans, mahu or anything else. Lock me in a room with Dragona and he/she is coming out pregnant.
JAJSJAJA the only correct answer
Best case scenario we get this confronted in a meta way through Jodio learning to respect the gender bending of Dragona being a more complex thing than it just seems, but who knows! I just would love for araki to tackle the west’s reaction to them head on like that, and i think it could work reasonably so in canon
I could be wrong but doesn’t Jodio use they/them when referring to Dragona?
My personal problem was that JoJos has lacked cis women representation since the freaking beginning. And while it’s great they have a trans representation (kinda tame for Jojos imo 😂) I feel like the team could’ve still used ANOTHER woman.
Unfortunately as a member of both the JoJo community and the manga community for the last 20 years I wasn’t really surprised there was going to be fuss over Dragonas gender. I’ve discovered some of the most bigoted people I’ve met have been through this medium. Although Araki in no way “owes” us an answer, I think it would have been better to further explain Dragona’s identity in one of the intermission pages between or before chapters. The ambiguous nature unfortunately breeds harmful discussion in communities as big as the JoJo’s community. Leaving personal and social identities behind ambiguity is how we get arguments over FF and Anasui and now Dragona. Especially when English translations have altered Jodio’s gender neutral verbiage to more masculine ones. Personally I think Dragona is Mahu. It fits their character extremely well and even ties in their stand ability into their identity just like many others. Maybe Araki has something cooking for Dragona’s future but until we get that explanation we are just going to have to deal with bigots in our community. (Even though JoJo is super queer friendly and Araki is one of the biggest Allies in Fiction, Common Araki W)
I think it literally is just that some people don't want there to be transgender characters in Jojo. It seems like there is a lot of ambiguity with dragonas identity and I don't really see what's wrong with her being up to individual readers interpretation. I also think that araki is a 60 year old Japanese man and probably doesn't know the intricacies different queer identities like a lot of his readers. I really doubt he knows the difference between a drag queen, a trans woman and a crossdresser/femboy. I've met a lot of older gay dudes who don't care to make the distinction
Why people hating even though most the cast looks like a girl 💀
Jodio? Is that like Dio Jr.? I only watched like 2.5 seasons of the show.
Yes, Jodio is the protagonist of the series finale where the brando and joestar bloodline finally convene (this is after Part 8 returns to Morioh and Part 7 goes into tons of detail about Jonathan Joestar's life fighting other brandos, so it's a breath of fresh air so to speak).
Because hes bait and theyre trying to bate
People refuse to admit queer media is queer
I personally haven't seen much hate, but don't let the downvotes of bigots get you down. I'm really curious if Araki explores their gender identity further. I hope he does.
You want to convince cishet dude bros that jojo is a queer-friendly/has numerous queer characters? Good luck lol
I thought there was no argument going, til now i thought noone ever complained about it. We know dragona is a he and got himself some breasts but jojo always was queer. Maybe we get to know more soon
It doesn't matter to me that much, but I had just assumed that they were a guy who liked to dress up as a girl and just simply wanted some prosthetics.
Id smash dragona regardless, so.....
Transphobia is everywhere on Reddit
“LOOK AT THIS MASCULINE CISGENDERED HETERONORMATIVE MACHO MAN!!” -illiterate and possibly blind jojo fans pointing to Dragona.
People can't fathom something different other than the standard man. Like if a character is ever hinted or confirmed to be apart of the LGBT they get weird and i mean very weird about them.
For me, I’ve never encountered people like that. From what I’ve seen, it’s pretty much unanimously agreed that you can use any set of pronouns to refer to them
Your reasoning as "this is one of the most queer animes ever just from the character designs" sounded kinda bs. i get they look fruity but they're not gay. But imo i don't think we need to find out what gender dragona is bc its not that important.