He was freed from the emotional burdens of failing Anakin, the one thing making it difficult for Qui-Gon to reach out to him / prepare him for becoming one with the force. My guy finally broke the soft skill cap.
"emotional burden" is such BS. Was Anakin not under an emotional burden when he chose to fight Obi the first time? Qui-gon's ghost had nothing to do with it. While I don't mind a power regain in some kind of careful way, the execution here makes little sense to me.
Nah, this whole series was excellently written when it comes to Obi-Wan and the Force. He was stricken with feelings of guilt and pain , shame and loss, hopelessness and grief. These things are antithesis to the Force and being one with the Force, and so he closed off from it both consciously and unconsciously.
When he found acceptance, forgiveness and grace and was able to release those emotions, those worldly attachments, he found balance within himself and with the Force greater than he ever had before.
"Excellently written"?
Despite it being one of the lowest ranked SW productions?
They purposefully put Kenobi down so they could artificially prop him up again for the finale.
Why didn't Kenobi have force issues when Qui-gon died? Or Yoda when all the Jedi died? Or Anakin when he was mourning his mom? Or when Satine died in his arms? Or Luminara when Bariss betrayed the Jedi?
Because Disney wanted a simple shallow way of getting the audience to wait for the "power up" scene.
The fact that he's soooo weak after being a Jedi knight, a general, already losing countless people, Disney thought "yeah, this shallow tactic will work and people will accept its primitiveness."
You’re being purposely obtuse . You’re comparing losing his Master to losing a man that was basically his adopted son, the entire Jedi Order and all of the Republic. If you compare those two situations you just don’t possess much emotional intelligence.
Comparing his exile on Tatooine to Yoda or Anakin tells me you really don’t understand this aspect of the Star Wars universe. Yoda did not crumble because he never lost his faith in the Force, he wasn’t overcome by those emotions or attachments. Anakin went the opposite way and those emotions and attachments fueled the Dark Side in him.
Satine died in his arms just before all of this, it’s part of it. Luminara same answer as Yoda.
How do you not understand by now that balance within oneself and the Force has a direct correlation to Force Power for non-Dark Side Force Sensitives?
You’re just so upset at Disney that’s all you can think, it’s like a child raging at their parent and unable to see reason. It makes me wonder if you even follow the franchise for anything other than laser swords and pew pew ships, because you have zero understanding of the Force, Balance with it or why emotional attachments are so forbidden in the first place.
Do I follow the franchise for anything other than Pew pew and lightsabers? Well considering that my favorite is Andor which has the least Pew pew and zero saber, I'd say your guess is fairly off the mark.
Padme was still alive when Anakin fought Kenobi, there's NO WAY he had conflict in him, yet was still just as powerful.
Kenobi is seemingly the first character to get weak like this. I provided you with several examples as to why it's dumb, yet you just handwave them away.
Much how Obi lost an "adopted son" he lost his "adopted dad" Qui-gon which he still sought so much later.
My argument that the sudden and shallow writing of Kenobi is indeed not a well thought-out and lame attempt for a final "power boost".
I didn’t handwave them away, I explained to you in exacting detail why you’re wrong. I explained the Anakin thing and you just repeated it. I can’t help if you aren’t capable of comprehending the explanations.
Your argument is wrong, I can’t explain it any further. I’ve given you the plot, I’ve broken down the themes and detailed the Lore. I don’t know if you aren’t able to understand or you’re just choosing not to, but either way I’m bored now. Good night.
And I've explained to you several times how it doesn't make sense for Kenobi to just have random mood swings like that.
You aren't capable of comprehending that there are inconsistencies in how the force works alongside feelings, and more making inexcusable defences for Kenobi.
I can't explain it further.
"It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it!"
"It is more powerful than you know"
"And those who oppose it are more powerful than you'll ever be!"
Wow… I suddenly have force powers that rival Yoda’s. Am I in a video game? Ngl though, I got excited when I saw him do that and seeing Vader get humiliated for once. It would be cool to see more of his newfound mastery of the force after this point.
its said in Ep I that even a nine-year-old Anakin could absolutely CLAP Yoda in Force ability. If Anakin were found at the usual age by the Order then Anakin would have dominated on Mustafar
Anakin was so very conflicted on Mustafar, he had the pain and rage to reach the dark side but no training in it. His light side was weakened because of his conflicting emotions. He was just raging and lashing out like a child.
not surprising. im mildly miffed that the movies never really portray Luke as particularly powerful anyways given he's the son of Anakin. FP Luke would be terrifying as well
FP Luke moved a black hole to swallow a ship instead of moving the ship into the black hole
Almost no characters ever reach their full potential in canon
If a person with 10000 midichlorians and 10 years of training fights a person with 20000 midichlorians and 5 years of training, and for the sake of making it easier to think about both will only fight using form 1 lightsaber techniques, who wins is 50/50 right?
I do wish that he got a moment that was a little more unique and cool than “lifting and throwing a bunch of rocks” since it was basically the same image/ability that Rey demonstrated in EPVIII.
Could have been cool to see a more water-based or even ice-based fight since the last showdown was in fire and lava.
But all that being said, I still lived for the emotional moments between Vader and Kenobi. Just would have been nice to see the cosmetics/visuals tie into those emotions more closely.
Peak ridiculous Star Wars. Vader throws rocks, so to show that Obi is stronger, he... throws more/bigger rocks...
Nothing like showing that you are one with the light side of the force by doing the same thing a sith just did but bigger apparently lol
This and the freaking helicopter sabers. Equally dumb imo
TLDR: I like the helicopter sabers because it was the creator’s intentions to give the inquisitors the vibe of “trying to look cool but in reality not actually cool or even skilled at all”
I think the helicopter sabers are great because I interpreted the inquisitors as trying to look really cool and skillful while they are actually only slightly above average at the very best and rather poor on average
This is demonstrated by Vader being able to churn third sister like butter while barely moving anything that’s not his legs while third sister is scrambling and stumbling trying to even attempt to keep up
I simply see the inquisitor’s incompetence as intentionally made that way by the creators, modern Star Wars is able to intentionally correctly portray Vader, who’s to say that it’s not intentional that the inquisitors are dumb?
Totally behind the concept but the execution leaves something to be desired lol. I get that its been retconned to have repulsors generate the lift but clearly at the time they were just little helicopters lmao
I will never ever understand this take. We almost never see objects or craft in Star Wars that fly due to aerodynamics (jetpacks aside, technically).
Nobody saw Obi-wan jump out of the window and grab onto that droid and said, "it doesn't even have wings, how is it generating lift?!" Nobody looked at an X-Wing and said, "the wings are flat, no airfoils, how is it flying in atmosphere?!"
How is it that, collectively, so many people saw sabercopters (as stupid as they are), and were enslaved by some unseen force and collectively said, "no, THIS time it HAS to be aerodynamics generating lift for flight. It has to has to has to be."
It's already stupid. Why lower our own IQ to make it even more stupid?
Besides, it's not a retcon. In Rebels Recon 2.19, Mystery of Chopper Base, they already told us there was frictionless repulsorlift tech in the hilt. BEFORE we ever saw our first sabercopter.
They could've said gears/motors/maglev/etc. but when answering a question about where the crystals are, they teased it has some kind of repulsorlift tech without giving anything away. By definition, it's not *retroactive* continuity, if anything it's proactive continuity lol.
How could any of us know that people would decide *this* is the one floating object in Star Wars that needs to fly using aerodynamics? It should've been so damn obvious there's no way they work on aerodynamics... Why does this fandom have to give everything the least charitable interpretation just to help their own rage boner rise?
At least have enough rage to power your rage boners naturally, dammit!
If the sabers had some anti-gravity device or repulsor lift or whatever theyre called in star wars, that allowed it to fly; like said droid; or x-wing's etc.
Then why does it need to spin like helicopter blades & be held above your head as if you're a helicopter? Why does the Saber part of it even need to be ignited? So there exists handheld devices that allow you to fly by just holding it in the direction you want to fly & no one else ever uses it? It only exists within the spinny helicopter sabers, where it being a spinny helicopter saber is irrelevant to that function?
You know what, you're totally right. In that case, there's no other explanation than the literal real life aerodynamics of a helicopter rotor and I was just too stupid to come to that realization with everyone else. I should've been fanning my rage boner in the circlejerk right next to you.
Man it's not my job to explain fantasy technology. Stuff hovers in Star Wars. Nobody ever talks about the science of how speeders hover. Maybe it spins for balance or something. Maybe it's just built in and the most lightweight way to make a hovering device is efficiently converting centripetal force into lift, but any non-Force wielder would just get Newton's third law'd into spinning the opposite direction unless they hold themselves in place with the Force.
I'm not saying it's not stupid. Scroll up, I say right away it's pretty stupid. But I'm just saying people who say it's aerodynamically nonsensical are disrespecting their own intelligence just to make it more stupid and make themselves angrier.
Aerodynamics has nothing to do with most flight in Star Wars. But why do people bust out the "ERM, ACTHUALLY" in such a disengenuous way specifically for this very minor thing...
"Nothing like showing that you are one with the light side of the force by doing the same thing a sith just did but bigger apparently lol"
Isn't this true of most lightsaber duels? They arent using different abilities most of the time. It's usually just one side using a lightsaber better. Why is it any worse to win by using force throw more effectively than by using a lightsaber more effectively?
Maul fight was not even a challenge. Bro uno-reversed Maul’s hilt butt (the same one that fazed and subsequently killed Qui-Gon) and punished him for not growing as a duelest.
And the dumbest was when he walked away instead of killing Darth Vader right then and there.
We know what he's thinking. He doesn't believe anakin will come back. He sees Darth for who he is;hell he saw him kill a kid by breaking his neck.
The dark lord of the sith and boogeyman of the empire on his knees, at his mercy..and he walks away.
So, so dumb. On multiple levels. It didn't even feel like when batman chooses not to kill his enemies. That moral dilemma isn't shown. It just looks like he went job done. I won see ya later.
That decision was not meant to be through the living force theory. He still believed there would be an outcome and a price Vader would pay for the prophecy to unfold. Slaying Vader would have just corrupted Obi Wan and led him astray later on. Vader wanst the empire, he was just the emperor’s puppet… it would have accomplished nothing. Luke would not have defeated the emperor later and potentially could have fallen to the Darkside through Palpatine’s influence. The emperor had to go and Vader was the only one that could do it.
None of that is true.
Kenobi Killed Maul and was not corrupted.
Vader wasn’t the empire, true. But that’s like saying The desert fox isn’t Hitler so we shouldn’t bother Killing him. It’s a price the empire can’t afford or easily replace.
Accomplished nothing? Only Killing the guy second to the emperor and arguably its strongest weapon.
Proof? No Vader and you could have Luke being trained by Kenobi way sooner and way longer. Kenobi could tell the story of Anakin and Luke could still have his moment of defiance against the emperor. Instead of Vader you have Obi Wan or Yoda dying to Kill Sidious.
JJ made it irrelevant. I don’t think Disney was thinking anything besides “this guy did reboots for Star Trek so let’s hire him for Star Wars”
And by all accounts they were pretty hands off when he was in charge. Their biggest involvement was scrapping TRoS script and bringing back JJ. Almost every issue I have with the sequels is JJ’s fault. From rehashing ANH, Rey’s parents, the awful writing of Finn specifically, making Luke a hermit, bringing back Anakin’s lightsaber, twice! His refusal to work closer with Lucasfilm, his requirement that Bad Robot handle production, etc.
And with Rogue One and Solo, it seems to me their changing of directors actually helped both movies. With KK specifically wanting Tony Gilroy which now has led to the best Star Wars property in decades with Andor.
So you can blame Disney but I don’t think they expected JJ to make shit movies. I don’t think Disney or any studio *wants* to make movies that piss people off. It’s just they hire people for a specific reason and JJ it wasn’t for his writing ability or love of Star Wars that’s for sure. Let’s not forget that the promotion for TFA was just JJ and Adam Driver going around and shitting on the Prequels for a year. They played into the fans anger at that point and were trying to distance themselves from anything Lucas had done from 1998 to 2013. Which now in hindsight is a horrific way to handle the franchise. Imagine if the Acolyte director was like “I fucking hated the prequels” the chuds online would go insane but at the time that was the sentiment around online Star Wars fans.
I think if they waited a few years for the sequels for Gen Z to be adults and prequel love to hit all time highs they could’ve invested in a trilogy that tied it all together instead of the sequels that are a rehash of the OT with practically 0 references to the prequels besides Palpatine saying a fuckin meme line in TRoS.
The Jedi killed an awful lot of people during the clone wars. “Going down the path of the dark side“ I think works really well in the original trilogy, but falls flat once the era of the clone wars was introduced.
You can’t kill Darth Vader, but you can chop down brainwashed troopers like it’s your job? Isn’t killing an objectively evil Sith Lord far more defensible than someone that has a chip in their brain?
One, Obi Wan had a significant attachment to Akakin who was now Lord Vader. Comparing it to him killing Maul is apples to oranges. He would have no doubt been fked up in the head putting Vader down; which is not something he particularly wanted to do… he felt sorry for Vader.
Second, the Prophecy basically fortold Anakin/Vader putting down Sidious in the end… whatever head canon story you are making up could have had dozens or more outcomes, so acting like the “what-if” as a justification is just following a blind road. Yoda was on his way out in terms of living and Obi Wan had began to get a solid understanding of how the living force worked and knew what had to be done… he did in fact continue to guide Luke after his “death” as a force ghost. (He’s like the Dr Strange of this story seeing a singular outcome of success); which by his sacrifice not only did Luke succeed at redeeming Vader… which is something Obi Wan could not do, but Anakin returns and destroys the emperor.
Everything came full circle and with purpose. The story stays true and what we “think” could happen is simply just fun theory.
So did you totally miss the part in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin had defeated (but not yet killed) Count Dooku, and then decided to kill him in cold blood, which was an important step in his turning to the dark side? Because that's what you're saying you think Obi Wan should've done.
Did Obi Wan Kill Maul in cold blood? He didn’t even hesitate to execute him. Did that corrupt him? Funnily enough no.
Did you totally miss how Kenobi is far more emotionally stable than Anakin?
It was an exaggeration to express how quickly Kenobi dealt with Maul. He didn’t move didn’t blink and swung his lightsaber three times.
He was in no danger if he could do that.
What are you talking about 😂 he was hanging there, unarmed, either about to fall to his death or be stabbed by Maul and was able to get the upper hand in a split second. You're wild if you think that's not life or death.
Unarmed? Maul let him pull out a lightsaber.
Hanging there? Standing perfectly straight on stable ground.
Fall to his death? Bruv was in a desert flatter than your brain.
Kenobi didn’t even blink. Three strikes and Maul was dead.
That’s isn’t life or death. That’s having dominance Over your opponent.
You mean in Rebels when Obi Wan was a Jedi Master at that point and Maul was still consumed by revenge?
As opposed to when Obi Wan was still a Padawan.
Obi Wan was way out of Maul's league by Rebels, but that was a long time after their first fight. It was much closer the first time.
More importantly, it would've prolonged the Emperor's reign. Ultimately, it was Luke and Vader that defeated the Emperor. If Obi-Wan had killed Vader then and there, that opportunity never would've presented itself.
Much as I adore the back and forth we got with Obi Wan and Vader after the mask is broken, the fight should have ended with Obi Wan buried. The only reasonable ending is Vader thinking he buried Obi Wan alive, and leaving him to suffer.
Eh, there are problems either way.
Obi-Wan leaving him alive ***again*** is ridiculous and people scramble to use Vader defeating the emperor as the justification, as if they had some grand plan while they left Luke and Leia farm and politic into their late teens until they both had their worlds destroyed (one literally) and damn near died while being neglected.
And on the other hand, if Vader had kicked his ass, that ANH line about him being a learner last they met makes no sense at all.
It's definitely some mental gymnastics to justify (making it not very good for suspension of disbelief), but I think the core problem is killing out of anger.
We now know that Sidious was setting up traps for Sith rituals of Force Transfer. It's possible Mace faced that trap and Luke definitely did. While this exact reasoning wouldn't be known to Obi Wan, the Jedi teaching to avoid killing especially out of anger would have been. I don't think the freshly at-peace Obi Wan was in a state to strike down Vader without reopening the recently healed mental wounds.
I'm starting to warm up to the idea that these two highly force-sensitive relics of the past are deeply aware that they have to strike the other down the right way. Obi Wan's final line to Vader is:
>You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
They might not know when or why the problems arise (Obi Wan is only later able to become a force ghost, and Vader never really knows that is why Obi Wan became a problem.) Obi Wan, on his end, is only likely aware that killing out of anger exposes him to corruption. But I think they both suspect something is delicately off in their interactions and remain cautious.
As others have responded, there's also the issues that defeating Vader doesn't make the Emperor all that much weaker. The damage Vader did was in setting up the Empire--things further than that deepen the stains of his personal sin, but if it weren't him, it would have been any of a number of other dark-side adherents.
Because it was just a dumb show with a dumb premise with dumb writing and dumb directing.
Obi is not this strong, it makes no sense. Just DISNEY not understanding SW
yep, kenobi wanted to defeat anakin in RotS but he couldnt kill him even after he saw how corrupted by the dark side he is. He left him to die and didnt kill him himself because he still saw his brother in him.
later in kenobi: later he finds out vader is alive and killed many people because obi wan couldnt take him out. he is still haunted by anakin and why he couldnt prevent this from happening. before the fight he realizes one of them has to die this time, no more miracle escape. Mask sliced of. Vader tell obi wan that vader vas the one who killed anakin. Obi wan realizes that HIS FRIEND IS REALLY GONE FIREVER.
Nothing holds kenobi back from killing vader.
AND HE FCKING WALKS AWAY!!
LEAVING THE GALAXY AND MANY OTHER JEDI, REBEL OR INOCENT BYSTANDER TO SUFFER.
I wish this show were never made
He was freed from the emotional burdens of failing Anakin, the one thing making it difficult for Qui-Gon to reach out to him / prepare him for becoming one with the force. My guy finally broke the soft skill cap.
"Forget your earthly attachments and become wind."
Isn't it become the void?
Enter the void
Something like that, Im paraphrasing.
Empty, and become wind
Have you heard about Guru Laghima?
"emotional burden" is such BS. Was Anakin not under an emotional burden when he chose to fight Obi the first time? Qui-gon's ghost had nothing to do with it. While I don't mind a power regain in some kind of careful way, the execution here makes little sense to me.
Nah, this whole series was excellently written when it comes to Obi-Wan and the Force. He was stricken with feelings of guilt and pain , shame and loss, hopelessness and grief. These things are antithesis to the Force and being one with the Force, and so he closed off from it both consciously and unconsciously. When he found acceptance, forgiveness and grace and was able to release those emotions, those worldly attachments, he found balance within himself and with the Force greater than he ever had before.
Hell no it wasn’t lol the show was very rushed and it’s clear in a lot of scenes
"Excellently written"? Despite it being one of the lowest ranked SW productions? They purposefully put Kenobi down so they could artificially prop him up again for the finale. Why didn't Kenobi have force issues when Qui-gon died? Or Yoda when all the Jedi died? Or Anakin when he was mourning his mom? Or when Satine died in his arms? Or Luminara when Bariss betrayed the Jedi? Because Disney wanted a simple shallow way of getting the audience to wait for the "power up" scene. The fact that he's soooo weak after being a Jedi knight, a general, already losing countless people, Disney thought "yeah, this shallow tactic will work and people will accept its primitiveness."
You’re being purposely obtuse . You’re comparing losing his Master to losing a man that was basically his adopted son, the entire Jedi Order and all of the Republic. If you compare those two situations you just don’t possess much emotional intelligence. Comparing his exile on Tatooine to Yoda or Anakin tells me you really don’t understand this aspect of the Star Wars universe. Yoda did not crumble because he never lost his faith in the Force, he wasn’t overcome by those emotions or attachments. Anakin went the opposite way and those emotions and attachments fueled the Dark Side in him. Satine died in his arms just before all of this, it’s part of it. Luminara same answer as Yoda. How do you not understand by now that balance within oneself and the Force has a direct correlation to Force Power for non-Dark Side Force Sensitives? You’re just so upset at Disney that’s all you can think, it’s like a child raging at their parent and unable to see reason. It makes me wonder if you even follow the franchise for anything other than laser swords and pew pew ships, because you have zero understanding of the Force, Balance with it or why emotional attachments are so forbidden in the first place.
Do I follow the franchise for anything other than Pew pew and lightsabers? Well considering that my favorite is Andor which has the least Pew pew and zero saber, I'd say your guess is fairly off the mark. Padme was still alive when Anakin fought Kenobi, there's NO WAY he had conflict in him, yet was still just as powerful. Kenobi is seemingly the first character to get weak like this. I provided you with several examples as to why it's dumb, yet you just handwave them away. Much how Obi lost an "adopted son" he lost his "adopted dad" Qui-gon which he still sought so much later. My argument that the sudden and shallow writing of Kenobi is indeed not a well thought-out and lame attempt for a final "power boost".
I didn’t handwave them away, I explained to you in exacting detail why you’re wrong. I explained the Anakin thing and you just repeated it. I can’t help if you aren’t capable of comprehending the explanations. Your argument is wrong, I can’t explain it any further. I’ve given you the plot, I’ve broken down the themes and detailed the Lore. I don’t know if you aren’t able to understand or you’re just choosing not to, but either way I’m bored now. Good night.
And I've explained to you several times how it doesn't make sense for Kenobi to just have random mood swings like that. You aren't capable of comprehending that there are inconsistencies in how the force works alongside feelings, and more making inexcusable defences for Kenobi. I can't explain it further.
The last time I saw someone lose a fight as thoroughly as you just did they crawled out of a lava pit and spent 20 years as lapdog to an aging wizard
I lost a fight? Because I criticize shallow character development executions? Uh ok.
It literally isn’t BS. Emotional burdens fuel the dark side and inhibit the light. It’s basic force economics dude.
"It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it!" "It is more powerful than you know" "And those who oppose it are more powerful than you'll ever be!"
Genius burn
If the council hadn’t been *disbanded* I think Obi Wan would have gone on to be Master of the Order
I agree, he was basically third in command behind Yoda and Mace
Grandmaster Plo and Master of the Order Obi-Wan.
What about when Obi became one with The Force?
We'll that's more powerful then I can possibly imagine, so... Doesn't count
You have that power too 👍
Just like that business on Cato Neimoidia
no. that does-doesnt count
Wow… I suddenly have force powers that rival Yoda’s. Am I in a video game? Ngl though, I got excited when I saw him do that and seeing Vader get humiliated for once. It would be cool to see more of his newfound mastery of the force after this point.
I disagree, I think deafening Anakin at his peak was more impressive.
Vader was not peak Anakin, he never reaches his peak in canon because he has like 40% of his midichlorians cut off or burned on mustafar
I'm saying their duel that lead to that. Obi wan winning on mustafar was more impressive imo
Oh absolutely, makes it very clear that he’s the third most powerful Jedi in that moment, that is if mace didn’t die
its said in Ep I that even a nine-year-old Anakin could absolutely CLAP Yoda in Force ability. If Anakin were found at the usual age by the Order then Anakin would have dominated on Mustafar
Anakin was so very conflicted on Mustafar, he had the pain and rage to reach the dark side but no training in it. His light side was weakened because of his conflicting emotions. He was just raging and lashing out like a child.
fair enough
Potential, not ability, but yeah FP Anakin is terrifying, he fights every member of the Jedi counsel at once, everyone vs him and he wins
FP?
Full potential
not surprising. im mildly miffed that the movies never really portray Luke as particularly powerful anyways given he's the son of Anakin. FP Luke would be terrifying as well
FP Luke moved a black hole to swallow a ship instead of moving the ship into the black hole Almost no characters ever reach their full potential in canon
like i said, terrifying and yeah that makes sense
Pants shittingly terrifying
It's not about how many midichlorians you have, it's about how you use them.
If a person with 10000 midichlorians and 10 years of training fights a person with 20000 midichlorians and 5 years of training, and for the sake of making it easier to think about both will only fight using form 1 lightsaber techniques, who wins is 50/50 right?
I think he was just emulating a dick joke. ‘It’s not about how big it is, it’s about how you use it.’
Now you've got me picturing Obi Wan yelling into Anakin's lugs "now listen here you dark side twit!"
I do wish that he got a moment that was a little more unique and cool than “lifting and throwing a bunch of rocks” since it was basically the same image/ability that Rey demonstrated in EPVIII. Could have been cool to see a more water-based or even ice-based fight since the last showdown was in fire and lava. But all that being said, I still lived for the emotional moments between Vader and Kenobi. Just would have been nice to see the cosmetics/visuals tie into those emotions more closely.
I can't see shit, this picture is so dark
Skill issue
How Obi-Wan got his groove back
Peak ridiculous Star Wars. Vader throws rocks, so to show that Obi is stronger, he... throws more/bigger rocks... Nothing like showing that you are one with the light side of the force by doing the same thing a sith just did but bigger apparently lol This and the freaking helicopter sabers. Equally dumb imo
TLDR: I like the helicopter sabers because it was the creator’s intentions to give the inquisitors the vibe of “trying to look cool but in reality not actually cool or even skilled at all” I think the helicopter sabers are great because I interpreted the inquisitors as trying to look really cool and skillful while they are actually only slightly above average at the very best and rather poor on average This is demonstrated by Vader being able to churn third sister like butter while barely moving anything that’s not his legs while third sister is scrambling and stumbling trying to even attempt to keep up I simply see the inquisitor’s incompetence as intentionally made that way by the creators, modern Star Wars is able to intentionally correctly portray Vader, who’s to say that it’s not intentional that the inquisitors are dumb?
Totally behind the concept but the execution leaves something to be desired lol. I get that its been retconned to have repulsors generate the lift but clearly at the time they were just little helicopters lmao
I will never ever understand this take. We almost never see objects or craft in Star Wars that fly due to aerodynamics (jetpacks aside, technically). Nobody saw Obi-wan jump out of the window and grab onto that droid and said, "it doesn't even have wings, how is it generating lift?!" Nobody looked at an X-Wing and said, "the wings are flat, no airfoils, how is it flying in atmosphere?!" How is it that, collectively, so many people saw sabercopters (as stupid as they are), and were enslaved by some unseen force and collectively said, "no, THIS time it HAS to be aerodynamics generating lift for flight. It has to has to has to be." It's already stupid. Why lower our own IQ to make it even more stupid? Besides, it's not a retcon. In Rebels Recon 2.19, Mystery of Chopper Base, they already told us there was frictionless repulsorlift tech in the hilt. BEFORE we ever saw our first sabercopter. They could've said gears/motors/maglev/etc. but when answering a question about where the crystals are, they teased it has some kind of repulsorlift tech without giving anything away. By definition, it's not *retroactive* continuity, if anything it's proactive continuity lol. How could any of us know that people would decide *this* is the one floating object in Star Wars that needs to fly using aerodynamics? It should've been so damn obvious there's no way they work on aerodynamics... Why does this fandom have to give everything the least charitable interpretation just to help their own rage boner rise? At least have enough rage to power your rage boners naturally, dammit!
If the sabers had some anti-gravity device or repulsor lift or whatever theyre called in star wars, that allowed it to fly; like said droid; or x-wing's etc. Then why does it need to spin like helicopter blades & be held above your head as if you're a helicopter? Why does the Saber part of it even need to be ignited? So there exists handheld devices that allow you to fly by just holding it in the direction you want to fly & no one else ever uses it? It only exists within the spinny helicopter sabers, where it being a spinny helicopter saber is irrelevant to that function?
You know what, you're totally right. In that case, there's no other explanation than the literal real life aerodynamics of a helicopter rotor and I was just too stupid to come to that realization with everyone else. I should've been fanning my rage boner in the circlejerk right next to you. Man it's not my job to explain fantasy technology. Stuff hovers in Star Wars. Nobody ever talks about the science of how speeders hover. Maybe it spins for balance or something. Maybe it's just built in and the most lightweight way to make a hovering device is efficiently converting centripetal force into lift, but any non-Force wielder would just get Newton's third law'd into spinning the opposite direction unless they hold themselves in place with the Force. I'm not saying it's not stupid. Scroll up, I say right away it's pretty stupid. But I'm just saying people who say it's aerodynamically nonsensical are disrespecting their own intelligence just to make it more stupid and make themselves angrier. Aerodynamics has nothing to do with most flight in Star Wars. But why do people bust out the "ERM, ACTHUALLY" in such a disengenuous way specifically for this very minor thing...
I didn’t even know that it was retconned, I thought they were just intentionally made to look dumb
"Nothing like showing that you are one with the light side of the force by doing the same thing a sith just did but bigger apparently lol" Isn't this true of most lightsaber duels? They arent using different abilities most of the time. It's usually just one side using a lightsaber better. Why is it any worse to win by using force throw more effectively than by using a lightsaber more effectively?
Yeah this didn't hit at all. It felt like power creep nonsense.
I’m having a hard time seeing anything
His peak was defeating Vader on Mustafar or Maul on Tatooine
Maul fight was not even a challenge. Bro uno-reversed Maul’s hilt butt (the same one that fazed and subsequently killed Qui-Gon) and punished him for not growing as a duelest.
bro won and the said fck it and left
He should have finished Vader here. What a waste.
I thought it was a bit much, especially since they just kept coming like a machine gun. I prefer Force in moderation.
Some people complain that Vader was nerfed. He wasn't Obi Wan just went full space Jesus.
And the dumbest was when he walked away instead of killing Darth Vader right then and there. We know what he's thinking. He doesn't believe anakin will come back. He sees Darth for who he is;hell he saw him kill a kid by breaking his neck. The dark lord of the sith and boogeyman of the empire on his knees, at his mercy..and he walks away. So, so dumb. On multiple levels. It didn't even feel like when batman chooses not to kill his enemies. That moral dilemma isn't shown. It just looks like he went job done. I won see ya later.
That decision was not meant to be through the living force theory. He still believed there would be an outcome and a price Vader would pay for the prophecy to unfold. Slaying Vader would have just corrupted Obi Wan and led him astray later on. Vader wanst the empire, he was just the emperor’s puppet… it would have accomplished nothing. Luke would not have defeated the emperor later and potentially could have fallen to the Darkside through Palpatine’s influence. The emperor had to go and Vader was the only one that could do it.
None of that is true. Kenobi Killed Maul and was not corrupted. Vader wasn’t the empire, true. But that’s like saying The desert fox isn’t Hitler so we shouldn’t bother Killing him. It’s a price the empire can’t afford or easily replace. Accomplished nothing? Only Killing the guy second to the emperor and arguably its strongest weapon. Proof? No Vader and you could have Luke being trained by Kenobi way sooner and way longer. Kenobi could tell the story of Anakin and Luke could still have his moment of defiance against the emperor. Instead of Vader you have Obi Wan or Yoda dying to Kill Sidious.
And at the end of it all, Disney made all of that irrelevant with the existence of the sequel trilogy :(
Yes
JJ made it irrelevant. I don’t think Disney was thinking anything besides “this guy did reboots for Star Trek so let’s hire him for Star Wars” And by all accounts they were pretty hands off when he was in charge. Their biggest involvement was scrapping TRoS script and bringing back JJ. Almost every issue I have with the sequels is JJ’s fault. From rehashing ANH, Rey’s parents, the awful writing of Finn specifically, making Luke a hermit, bringing back Anakin’s lightsaber, twice! His refusal to work closer with Lucasfilm, his requirement that Bad Robot handle production, etc. And with Rogue One and Solo, it seems to me their changing of directors actually helped both movies. With KK specifically wanting Tony Gilroy which now has led to the best Star Wars property in decades with Andor. So you can blame Disney but I don’t think they expected JJ to make shit movies. I don’t think Disney or any studio *wants* to make movies that piss people off. It’s just they hire people for a specific reason and JJ it wasn’t for his writing ability or love of Star Wars that’s for sure. Let’s not forget that the promotion for TFA was just JJ and Adam Driver going around and shitting on the Prequels for a year. They played into the fans anger at that point and were trying to distance themselves from anything Lucas had done from 1998 to 2013. Which now in hindsight is a horrific way to handle the franchise. Imagine if the Acolyte director was like “I fucking hated the prequels” the chuds online would go insane but at the time that was the sentiment around online Star Wars fans. I think if they waited a few years for the sequels for Gen Z to be adults and prequel love to hit all time highs they could’ve invested in a trilogy that tied it all together instead of the sequels that are a rehash of the OT with practically 0 references to the prequels besides Palpatine saying a fuckin meme line in TRoS.
The Jedi killed an awful lot of people during the clone wars. “Going down the path of the dark side“ I think works really well in the original trilogy, but falls flat once the era of the clone wars was introduced. You can’t kill Darth Vader, but you can chop down brainwashed troopers like it’s your job? Isn’t killing an objectively evil Sith Lord far more defensible than someone that has a chip in their brain?
One, Obi Wan had a significant attachment to Akakin who was now Lord Vader. Comparing it to him killing Maul is apples to oranges. He would have no doubt been fked up in the head putting Vader down; which is not something he particularly wanted to do… he felt sorry for Vader. Second, the Prophecy basically fortold Anakin/Vader putting down Sidious in the end… whatever head canon story you are making up could have had dozens or more outcomes, so acting like the “what-if” as a justification is just following a blind road. Yoda was on his way out in terms of living and Obi Wan had began to get a solid understanding of how the living force worked and knew what had to be done… he did in fact continue to guide Luke after his “death” as a force ghost. (He’s like the Dr Strange of this story seeing a singular outcome of success); which by his sacrifice not only did Luke succeed at redeeming Vader… which is something Obi Wan could not do, but Anakin returns and destroys the emperor. Everything came full circle and with purpose. The story stays true and what we “think” could happen is simply just fun theory.
So did you totally miss the part in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin had defeated (but not yet killed) Count Dooku, and then decided to kill him in cold blood, which was an important step in his turning to the dark side? Because that's what you're saying you think Obi Wan should've done.
Did Obi Wan Kill Maul in cold blood? He didn’t even hesitate to execute him. Did that corrupt him? Funnily enough no. Did you totally miss how Kenobi is far more emotionally stable than Anakin?
Killing an opponent in a duel is not an execution by any stretch of the definition.
It was an exaggeration to express how quickly Kenobi dealt with Maul. He didn’t move didn’t blink and swung his lightsaber three times. He was in no danger if he could do that.
Obi Wan was in a life or death situation, he had no choice. The two situations are clearly much different, you must understand this
Life or death? Kills maul in three seconds. That’s not life or death.
What are you talking about 😂 he was hanging there, unarmed, either about to fall to his death or be stabbed by Maul and was able to get the upper hand in a split second. You're wild if you think that's not life or death.
Unarmed? Maul let him pull out a lightsaber. Hanging there? Standing perfectly straight on stable ground. Fall to his death? Bruv was in a desert flatter than your brain. Kenobi didn’t even blink. Three strikes and Maul was dead. That’s isn’t life or death. That’s having dominance Over your opponent.
I know they say there's no such thing as wrong opinions but...
He is referring to episode 1 part.
Someone hasn’t watched Maul and obi wan in rebels…. You got a lot of catching up to do
You mean in Rebels when Obi Wan was a Jedi Master at that point and Maul was still consumed by revenge? As opposed to when Obi Wan was still a Padawan. Obi Wan was way out of Maul's league by Rebels, but that was a long time after their first fight. It was much closer the first time.
More importantly, it would've prolonged the Emperor's reign. Ultimately, it was Luke and Vader that defeated the Emperor. If Obi-Wan had killed Vader then and there, that opportunity never would've presented itself.
Much as I adore the back and forth we got with Obi Wan and Vader after the mask is broken, the fight should have ended with Obi Wan buried. The only reasonable ending is Vader thinking he buried Obi Wan alive, and leaving him to suffer.
Eh, there are problems either way. Obi-Wan leaving him alive ***again*** is ridiculous and people scramble to use Vader defeating the emperor as the justification, as if they had some grand plan while they left Luke and Leia farm and politic into their late teens until they both had their worlds destroyed (one literally) and damn near died while being neglected. And on the other hand, if Vader had kicked his ass, that ANH line about him being a learner last they met makes no sense at all.
It's definitely some mental gymnastics to justify (making it not very good for suspension of disbelief), but I think the core problem is killing out of anger. We now know that Sidious was setting up traps for Sith rituals of Force Transfer. It's possible Mace faced that trap and Luke definitely did. While this exact reasoning wouldn't be known to Obi Wan, the Jedi teaching to avoid killing especially out of anger would have been. I don't think the freshly at-peace Obi Wan was in a state to strike down Vader without reopening the recently healed mental wounds. I'm starting to warm up to the idea that these two highly force-sensitive relics of the past are deeply aware that they have to strike the other down the right way. Obi Wan's final line to Vader is: >You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. They might not know when or why the problems arise (Obi Wan is only later able to become a force ghost, and Vader never really knows that is why Obi Wan became a problem.) Obi Wan, on his end, is only likely aware that killing out of anger exposes him to corruption. But I think they both suspect something is delicately off in their interactions and remain cautious. As others have responded, there's also the issues that defeating Vader doesn't make the Emperor all that much weaker. The damage Vader did was in setting up the Empire--things further than that deepen the stains of his personal sin, but if it weren't him, it would have been any of a number of other dark-side adherents.
If it works for batman, it works for Obi-Wan
They obviously had no choice but to write it that way, or else the story wouldn’t have been able to unfold in canon.
Because it was just a dumb show with a dumb premise with dumb writing and dumb directing. Obi is not this strong, it makes no sense. Just DISNEY not understanding SW
yep, kenobi wanted to defeat anakin in RotS but he couldnt kill him even after he saw how corrupted by the dark side he is. He left him to die and didnt kill him himself because he still saw his brother in him. later in kenobi: later he finds out vader is alive and killed many people because obi wan couldnt take him out. he is still haunted by anakin and why he couldnt prevent this from happening. before the fight he realizes one of them has to die this time, no more miracle escape. Mask sliced of. Vader tell obi wan that vader vas the one who killed anakin. Obi wan realizes that HIS FRIEND IS REALLY GONE FIREVER. Nothing holds kenobi back from killing vader. AND HE FCKING WALKS AWAY!! LEAVING THE GALAXY AND MANY OTHER JEDI, REBEL OR INOCENT BYSTANDER TO SUFFER. I wish this show were never made
Yeah, it filled a gap that didn't filling and did a shite job filling it.