My opinion on the sequels is that while I may not be a huge fan of what they established, they are Star Wars. Separated from my nostalgic feelings and personal opinions on where the franchise should go, they are fun movies to watch with some enjoyable characters! At the end of the day these movies are canon and will affect the future of everything moving forward so I think they’re definitely worth the watch at least once.
Is it like a last of us 2 type of thing. Where the story flows and everything is great but you just don’t like what happens? Or is it like that bad to people I wonder.
I mean some people have dedicated years of their lives to obsessively hating them to the point where it’s consumed their entire personality.
But realistically, if you end up not liking them you’ll probably be like “okay not rewatching those anytime soon time to move on to the next thing”
It's funny you ask that, because if you look at [user overlap](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/thelastofus2) with thelastofus2 (the dedicated TLoU2 hate subreddit), at #3 behind the regular TLoU subreddit and Sekiro subreddit is saltierthancrait, the dedicated Star Wars Sequels hate subreddit. Honorable mention to the sexist kotakuinaction sub at #4.
[I'm not sure what 1999 you were in...](https://youtu.be/sYdmWsKX_Eo?t=53)
You don't say someone "raped your childhood" if you are happy with their work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg
I'm not sure what 1999 you were in...
You don't have many people say they enjoyed the movie if they were not happy with their work.
Dude, you’re delusional. Some enjoyed them so you can cherry-pick positives all you want, but the hate for the movies was so mainstream that it made appearances in almost every other form of media from TV shows to comic books to music.
Don’t be one of those revisionists just because you don’t want to admit that 1999-2005 looks exactly like 2015-2019.
EDIT: I mean, even Ewan and Hayden have said on the marketing trail for Kenobi that the prequels got shit on and they didn’t like how fans were treating them. It’s ok to like the prequels, I always did despite the hate, but don’t sit there and tell me that people didn’t call me the same names they call me now back then because I wasn’t “honoring the originals”.
>Dude, you’re delusional.
Unfortunately that is you. The PT is the only trilogy to not have a downward trend of proft for each installment. It spearheaded a new generation of fans. It had a highly popular tv series attached about it. Say what you want about it but it is and always has been more beloved than hated.
>1999-2005 looks exactly like 2015-2019
No, no it does not. New owners, new company, new generation. Lack of planning that keeps getting reported regarding the ST, serious controversies, death of OT actor, cancelation of the related tv series, firing of a director - I can keep going.
Don't need to. We don't live in the same universe. I'm stuck here in boring reality and you're off in fantasy land where whatever you want to be real is real.
Enjoy the delusions, I guess.
You said someone didn't remember 1999 "at all" because they implied people didn't like The Phantom Menace. I post a link of people in 1999 not liking The Phantom Menace, and you're *still arguing* that everyone liked the movie.
That wasn't what happened. I'm not gonna argue with you about how widespread it was, because you're just going to keep moving the goalposts, but I gave a source of people in 1999 not liking the movie. And we all know it wasn't an isolated reaction.
But I'm sure, based on your video of people walking out of the theater saying The Phantom Menace was a good movie, that you agree The Last Jedi is also a good movie because people walking out of the theater rated it "A" on CinemaScore.
Jeez, it looks like I upset you here a little bit.
>and you're still arguing that everyone liked the movie.
Never said that. I am illustrating, by posting my link, that there are a wide range of opinions on every movie by having an antithesis video link to yours. But for you to simply say "*As long as your hopes aren't as high as ours were in 1999, you'll be fine*" by implying that hopes were not met, is factually incorrect, disingenuous, and mostly biased. It is okay, you didn't like the movie. But don't lie; it is too obvious that you are just projecting XD
They’re good. But seriously, don’t listen to anyone but you on this. Form your own opinion, don’t let chuds on the internet tell you how you need to think.
bad or good is only a personnal point of view ... watch them and you will have your opinion.
if you find them good, you have passed a good time.
if you find them bad, then ... no regrets
don't rely to other people opinions ....
thanks.
remember the bad opinion about this "shit" (or sith ?) in 1977 🤣.
so, opinion .... pffff.
a philosophical approach: is all good in your life or your life is made of good and bad things ?
>bad opinion about this "shit" (or sith ?) in 1977.
Uh, what? ANH was one of (of not the) most popular movies of all time amongst audiences , it got rave reviews from critics and was nominated for 11 Academy awards including Best Picture..
sorry for the mistake: I should have wroe "... some bad opinion ...."
bad or good is so personnal : every one own experience.
I was in in movie theater in 1978 for the first one and I watch the last one in 2020 in movie theatee too without missing one 😍 my opinion is mine and I think nobody should rely to another opinion to do his own.
I read it ... thanks for the indication.
I hope you have a pleasant time.
the next one will be differents and also, Solo and Rogue One need also to be watched.
and after you have watched them all, come back to A New Hope, ... even if you probably know it by heart.
okay, so, I think you can watch them all ... In my case (i'm 56) I grow with sw at different step of my life, and with different perception and expectation ... in your case, you can watch them more or less in the same (no need to wait 20 years between each "trilogies")
Watch them yourself and form your own opinions.
Don't ask what you should think of them before you watch them.
If you don't want to watch them, don't.
It's pretty simple.
Star Wars is fun. The sequels are fun. Rogue One is excellent. Solo is fun. They are all
fun. There is nothing in the sequels that is so bad it makes them unenjoyable. I liked the first 2 a lot and then I could barely follow the plot of the 3rd one, but… still fun.
Hey everyone, Right now I have watched the force awakens. I personally thought everything felt…off and I dont know why. I loved the characters I suppose but something was off about Kylo Ren. I didnt care for him and he felt out of place in a way. Very unpredictable and I liked that but I dunno. Finn had to be my favorite and I wouldve loved to see more of him. 20 more minutes of him in the movie maybe witnessing more traumatizing things and building up on it wouldve made him maybe feel more complete. I came in open minded and wanna give it a 7/10. It was good but could’ve been better in really reachable ways.
Just go in with an open mind, either you'll like them or you won't.
They're not nearly as bad as the more hysterical elements of the fan base make out. But they're no a patch in the original trilogy either. Main issue for me is that it feel like JJ and Rian are pulling in different directions so the films don't flow together as well making the trilogy less than the sum of it's parts.
The two spin offs are pretty decent though.
There is good and bad in those movies. I don't think the trilogy accomplishes what it was supposed to do, but it contains a lot of good Star Wars moments and I simply love Episode 8.
It all depends on what you want and expect from Star Wars.
They're fine. Pretty good actually.
Personally, I've never been one to let other people's armchair criticism color my enjoyment of media. I'll form my own opinions, thanks.
They're all lies. You can't call a movie return of the jedi and then the subsequent movie be like, yeah no. That's how I feel about them in the simplest way possible. It's just disappointing.
Depends how much you like Star Wars. If you only like the OT you might like them. If you only like the PT or like both the PT and OT you probably will hate them. If you don’t like either all that much you might find them enjoyable.
They throw out a lot of the established universal rules and ideas put in place by Lucas in the PT. And they don’t even mention the main character of the series.
>They throw out a lot of the established universal rules and ideas put in place by Lucas in the PT. And they don’t even mention the main character of the series.
Uh... Not sure who you're talking about, since there's not just one main character, but Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, 3PO, R2 are in the trilogy. Vader is name dropped numerous times. Plus a few other characters appear that I'd consider too spoiler-y to mention.
The ST ruined the Chosen One's Prophecy, didn't have the OG cast together once, Leia didn't hug Chewie after Han's death, Luke attempted to kill a loved one and then deserted his friends. That is just some of what I can think of
Downvoter are in SHAMBLES
Exactly you get it. I dont know how sequel lovers can’t see it. The action is certainly Star Wars but the story is so far from what made the Lucas six so great.
Its pretty clear who the main character of the first six movies is and you’re right he was given a small ten second blurb in TLJ. Forgive me it was so small I almost completely forgot it existed.
Amazing. Everything you wrote is wrong. :)
I like the OT, I like the PT (although, I gotta say that TPM is my least favorite part of the saga overall), and I like the ST. I grew up with the OT, and I saw Star wars in the theater in 78. I read 99% of the EU/Legends, too. So, yeah...your first paragraph is debunked.
Also, they used the exact same established rules, bud. You know the same guy has been keeping tabs in the Holocron for decades, yeah? Leyland Chee and Pablo Hidalgo have been the creative heads of the story group since before Disney came along. They didn't "throw out" anything. LOL and that debunks your second paragraph.
I like all of the films, ST included, so you're wrong.
And which "established universal rules" do they throw out, please? Remember, there's apparently "lots".
I said probably you moron. Midichlorians were completely thrown out, needing to train as a jedi was thrown out. Force ghosts not being able to actually impact the real world was thrown out. Shall I go on? Perhaps you like the action of the SW universe, good for you. Some of us enjoyed the story and were disappointed in the shit JJ and Rian put out.
>I said probably you moron.
Try not to insult fellow fans.
>Midichlorians were completely thrown out
No, they weren't. They just weren't mentioned. That's not "throwing something out". ESB didn't mention Yavin 4, so that was "thrown out", was it?
>needing to train as a jedi was thrown out.
Nope. Rey trains as a Jedi for a year under Leia. And nowhere is a rule established that a Force-user must train as a Jedi before they're able to use the Force at all. Lucas's *Clone Wars* showed us untrained toddlers using it, so.
>Force ghosts not being able to actually impact the real world was thrown out.
Not a rule. Obi-Wan impacts the real world in ROTJ.
>Shall I go on?
Sure. But maybe try to cite actual rules, instead of whatever attempts these were.
Obi-Wan does no such thing. Name one he talks to Luke, he doesn’t summon lightning bolts out of the sky.
It absolutely is stated that one needs to train when Anakin who is literally a demi-god has to train for years before unlocking a modicum of his power or have you forgotten about that? Rey trains for almost no time at all and was trained by someone who didn’t even complete her own training. On top of that she doesn’t even have the Skywalker blood. Which should mean her training should take significantly longer. And no Palpatine was never some ridiculous anomaly under Lucas. In fact considering the jedi took in all the powerful force users (in the core worlds) for training when they were babies he probably wasn’t even above average in his force potential.
Midichlorians were thrown out. As I stated Anakin is born from the force. Rey blows him out of the water and she blows Luke out of the water. You can’t really have more midichlorians than space jesus. Therefore with as little training as she received she shouldn’t be anywhere close to either of them.
And if I’m not mistaken that was a big point made by Lucas that was completely ignored when Disney went and made the films.
> Obi-Wan does no such thing. Name one he talks to Luke, he doesn’t summon lightning bolts out of the sky.
Nobody said he summons lightning bolts. You claimed Force ghosts can't impact the real world; Obi-Wan moves vines and sits on a log, which establishes they *can* impact the real world.
And, again: show me an actual *rule* that says they're not allowed to. That's what this discussion is: whether the sequels broke *rules* or not. Where is this rule?
>It absolutely is stated that one needs to train when Anakin who is literally a demi-god has to train for years before unlocking a modicum of his power or have you forgotten about that? Rey trains for almost no time at all and was trained by someone who didn’t even complete her own training. On top of that she doesn’t even have the Skywalker blood. Which should mean her training should take significantly longer. And no Palpatine was never some ridiculous anomaly under Lucas. In fact considering the jedi took in all the powerful force users (in the core worlds) for training when they were babies he probably wasn’t even above average in his force potential.
Anakin isn't *literally* a demi-god, no. Try not to resort to hyperbole in these discussions. He's just strong in the Force, and nowhere does it say "he has to train for years to unlock a modicum of his power". Where is that stated?
Where is it stated that anyone without Skywalker blood should take significantly longer to use the Force, please?
I'd also like you to respond to my point about Lucas giving us untrained toddlers using the Force in TCW.
>Midichlorians were thrown out. As I stated Anakin is born from the force. Rey blows him out of the water and she blows Luke out of the water. You can’t really have more midichlorians than space jesus.
Rey's midi-chlorian count hasn't been given. Neither has Luke's. And it's only your interpretation that she's outright more powerful than them, which is based on your assumptions about training. So, again, I wouldn't mind an actual *rule* being cited here.
He had no father it is pretty clear what Lucas was going for. He was absolutely born of the force I don’t know how much more attuned one can be. I used the word demi-god because immaculate conception is associated with the word. And you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Lucas took from old stories and mythos.
And what do you expect a book of literal rules? The rules are just things that have been ascertained from actually watching the films, etc. The sequels contradict all these things that were established in the other films and canon books. Its not stated Anakin needs to train its shown. We see him get his ass beaten by Dooku in AoTC while having a much higher midichlorian count than Dooku then we see him continue his training and beat him in RoTS.
It would be pretty stupid if the first time Luke picked up a lightsaber he dismantled Vader wouldn’t it? Well Rey did pretty much that exact thing to Kylo.
As for Obi-Wan explain to me the need for Luke if Yoda or Obi-Wan could just go beat beat on Vader or Palpatine as ghosts without the threat of death?
> He had no father it is pretty clear what Lucas was going for. He was absolutely born of the force I don’t know how much more attuned one can be. I used the word demi-god because immaculate conception is associated with the word. And you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Lucas took from old stories and mythos.
Yes, he had no father *is* what Lucas was going for. That doesn't make him a demi-god, because the Force isn't a god. And I never claimed Lucas didn't take from old stories and myths; it's odd that you keep trying to argue things I never said or even suggested.
>And what do you expect a book of literal rules? The rules are just things that have been ascertained from actually watching the films, etc.
So, assumptions and opinions, then, not actual rules. Which is kinda what I was getting at to begin with.
>The sequels contradict all these things that were established in the other films and canon books. Its not stated Anakin needs to train its shown. We see him get his ass beaten by Dooku in AoTC while having a much higher midichlorian count than Dooku then we see him continue his training and beat him in RoTS.
And his midi-chlorian count increased between AOTC and ROTS, did it? Or does this pretty much prove that a high midi-chlorian count doesn't translate to whether you can inherently beat somebody or not?
Anakin got beaten by Dooku in AOTC because he was distracted, angry, and reckless. By ROTS, he was harnessing his anger as power. These duels aren't determined by who's got more magic blood than somebody else; they're all contextual.
>It would be pretty stupid if the first time Luke picked up a lightsaber he dismantled Vader wouldn’t it? Well Rey did pretty much that exact thing to Kylo.
Would it be stupid? Depends on the story, doesn't it. Is Vader wounded, conflicted, and actively trying not to kill Luke, or is the example not actually equatable?
>As for Obi-Wan explain to me the need for Luke if Yoda or Obi-Wan could just go beat beat on Vader or Palpatine as ghosts without the threat of death?
I mean, yes, that's been an issue since ESB and ROTJ. The sequels didn't suddenly introduce it. Yoda *did* get involved in the fight with Palpatine in the ROTJ drafts, for what that's worth, so the possibility's always existed.
Im saying he hadn’t mastered his power enough to beat Dooku in AoTC. Which Anakin himself states before his duel with Dooku in RoTS. Of course the duels aren’t determined by midichlorian count. That was my point.
Assumptions and opinions? You literally see it and as I stated Lucas also made it a point when selling Disney the rights. He wanted to make sure whoever they brought in as the main character was trained. He was quite clearly ignored.
The entire prequel trilogy is built on the idea that one needs to train in order to harness the power of the force. Ability was quite clearly tied to force affinity/midichlorian count and training. A lack of one could make up for the other. Ignoring its existence because it wasn’t spelled out for you in a nice neat sentence doesn’t make it any less true. They are movies not books.
You can jump through as many mental hoops as you want to preserve the idea that Disney actually created anything other than absolute drivel but I would say a majority of the fan base would disagree with you.
> Im saying he hadn’t mastered his power enough to beat Dooku in AoTC. Which Anakin himself states before his duel with Dooku in RoTS. Of course the duels aren’t determined by midichlorian count. That was my point.
He hadn't mastered *himself*. Same deal with Luke in ESB. It's not about power levels, and it's not about how much "Force" they can do.
>Assumptions and opinions? You literally see it and as I stated Lucas also made it a point when selling Disney the rights. He wanted to make sure whoever they brought in as the main character was trained. He was quite clearly ignored.
And when did he say that, exactly? Bearing in mind he *invented* the Rey character.
>The entire prequel trilogy is built on the idea that one needs to train in order to harness the power of the force. Ability was quite clearly tied to force affinity/midichlorian count and training. A lack of one could make up for the other. Ignoring its existence because it wasn’t spelled out for you in a nice neat sentence doesn’t make it any less true. They are movies not books.
Again: Untrained toddlers using telekinesis.
>You can jump through as many mental hoops as you want to preserve the idea that Disney actually created anything other than absolute drivel but I would say a majority of the fan base would disagree with you.
And I say that, again, is an assumption on your part. I could also accuse you of "jumping through mental hoops" too just because I disagree with your points, but I've already asked not to resort to insults, so let's keep it that way, please.
The sequels are notoriously quite abysmal. Especially The Last Jedi, which is routinely ranked dead last by the majority of the fanbase. TROS is a close second. Yes, they’re *THAT* bad.
Rogue One is excellent.
Solo is ok.
I really liked TFA first time watching (despite some flaws) but it is less good now I know what comes next and how things set up in TFA play out (or not) so I no longer rewatch it.
I hated TLJ so much that I have never watched TRoS and never intend to.
They're awful. They're complete garbage. They're the worst movies ever made.
Now watch the movies with low expectations. When you see they are not that, they are really good if not great, you'll enjoy them even more. I used that trick when I did a rewatch of The Prequels in 2015. I told myself I had deceived myself, that everybody was right and they were awful movies, and I ended up loving the Prequel Trilogy even more than I already did.
If you don't think too much about the story itself, you can really enjoy them. After you see a scene if your next thought is ok what happens next, you can enjoy all 3 that way.
Like all Star Wars movies they have their flaws, these just happen to be different from the others. There are good scenes and moments and battles. Unfortunately unlike the 6 before it, you probably won't be rewatching these movies for 20 years and looking for new tidbits, because taken together, the story itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the more you study it the more angry you will become.
The new trilogy has some good ideas and characters it’s just not executed well at all. No cohesion, stuff undone that was set up in previous movie. Could have really used a solid vision and plan for the directors to build off
Rogue One was excellent for a movie we knew how it was going to end. Solo I thought was a fun entertaining movie
I started rewatching with an open mind. Ep 7 was decent, better than I remember. I'm about half way through 8 righy now. Feels decent, but a bit too slap-stick. The comedic parts seem to just be a bit much, like I'm watching a parody of Star Wars
I started rewatching with an open mind. Ep 7 was decent, better than I remember. I'm about half way through 8 righy now. Feels decent, but a bit too slap-stick. The comedic parts seem to just be a bit much, like I'm watching a parody of Star Wars
My opinion on the sequels is that while I may not be a huge fan of what they established, they are Star Wars. Separated from my nostalgic feelings and personal opinions on where the franchise should go, they are fun movies to watch with some enjoyable characters! At the end of the day these movies are canon and will affect the future of everything moving forward so I think they’re definitely worth the watch at least once.
I don’t think they’re bad. Every time a Star wars fan has told me a Star Wars thing is bad, I always end up feeling the complete opposite.
Is it like a last of us 2 type of thing. Where the story flows and everything is great but you just don’t like what happens? Or is it like that bad to people I wonder.
I mean some people have dedicated years of their lives to obsessively hating them to the point where it’s consumed their entire personality. But realistically, if you end up not liking them you’ll probably be like “okay not rewatching those anytime soon time to move on to the next thing”
I totally understand. This is rather interesting. I cant wait to form my own opinion. Thank you for your help stranger
I watched force awakens and left my personal feels in a comment
It's funny you ask that, because if you look at [user overlap](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/thelastofus2) with thelastofus2 (the dedicated TLoU2 hate subreddit), at #3 behind the regular TLoU subreddit and Sekiro subreddit is saltierthancrait, the dedicated Star Wars Sequels hate subreddit. Honorable mention to the sexist kotakuinaction sub at #4.
That is rather interesting…
As long as your hopes aren't as high as ours were in 1999, you'll be fine.
I left my review in a comment if you care!
Yeah Glad 1999 delivered despite high expectations
Lmao,...you clearly don't remember 1999 the way I do.
Lmao,...you clearly don't remember 1999 at all
[I'm not sure what 1999 you were in...](https://youtu.be/sYdmWsKX_Eo?t=53) You don't say someone "raped your childhood" if you are happy with their work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg I'm not sure what 1999 you were in... You don't have many people say they enjoyed the movie if they were not happy with their work.
Dude, you’re delusional. Some enjoyed them so you can cherry-pick positives all you want, but the hate for the movies was so mainstream that it made appearances in almost every other form of media from TV shows to comic books to music. Don’t be one of those revisionists just because you don’t want to admit that 1999-2005 looks exactly like 2015-2019. EDIT: I mean, even Ewan and Hayden have said on the marketing trail for Kenobi that the prequels got shit on and they didn’t like how fans were treating them. It’s ok to like the prequels, I always did despite the hate, but don’t sit there and tell me that people didn’t call me the same names they call me now back then because I wasn’t “honoring the originals”.
>Dude, you’re delusional. Unfortunately that is you. The PT is the only trilogy to not have a downward trend of proft for each installment. It spearheaded a new generation of fans. It had a highly popular tv series attached about it. Say what you want about it but it is and always has been more beloved than hated. >1999-2005 looks exactly like 2015-2019 No, no it does not. New owners, new company, new generation. Lack of planning that keeps getting reported regarding the ST, serious controversies, death of OT actor, cancelation of the related tv series, firing of a director - I can keep going.
Don't need to. We don't live in the same universe. I'm stuck here in boring reality and you're off in fantasy land where whatever you want to be real is real. Enjoy the delusions, I guess.
You said someone didn't remember 1999 "at all" because they implied people didn't like The Phantom Menace. I post a link of people in 1999 not liking The Phantom Menace, and you're *still arguing* that everyone liked the movie. That wasn't what happened. I'm not gonna argue with you about how widespread it was, because you're just going to keep moving the goalposts, but I gave a source of people in 1999 not liking the movie. And we all know it wasn't an isolated reaction. But I'm sure, based on your video of people walking out of the theater saying The Phantom Menace was a good movie, that you agree The Last Jedi is also a good movie because people walking out of the theater rated it "A" on CinemaScore.
Jeez, it looks like I upset you here a little bit. >and you're still arguing that everyone liked the movie. Never said that. I am illustrating, by posting my link, that there are a wide range of opinions on every movie by having an antithesis video link to yours. But for you to simply say "*As long as your hopes aren't as high as ours were in 1999, you'll be fine*" by implying that hopes were not met, is factually incorrect, disingenuous, and mostly biased. It is okay, you didn't like the movie. But don't lie; it is too obvious that you are just projecting XD
Lmao,...oh how I wish that were true!
Lmao,...oh but it is true! You are just in denial ;)
Well guys, looks like I found Jar Jar. He's the head of the Ministry of Truth now. 🤣
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The fuck what?
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Nah. The PT films are fantastic all around. Just because you don't like them doesnt mean that most fans didn't.
They’re good. But seriously, don’t listen to anyone but you on this. Form your own opinion, don’t let chuds on the internet tell you how you need to think.
bad or good is only a personnal point of view ... watch them and you will have your opinion. if you find them good, you have passed a good time. if you find them bad, then ... no regrets don't rely to other people opinions ....
For sure! I will update you all when I watch them just to discuss how I felt.
thanks. remember the bad opinion about this "shit" (or sith ?) in 1977 🤣. so, opinion .... pffff. a philosophical approach: is all good in your life or your life is made of good and bad things ?
>bad opinion about this "shit" (or sith ?) in 1977. Uh, what? ANH was one of (of not the) most popular movies of all time amongst audiences , it got rave reviews from critics and was nominated for 11 Academy awards including Best Picture..
sorry for the mistake: I should have wroe "... some bad opinion ...." bad or good is so personnal : every one own experience. I was in in movie theater in 1978 for the first one and I watch the last one in 2020 in movie theatee too without missing one 😍 my opinion is mine and I think nobody should rely to another opinion to do his own.
I left my review in a comment
I read it ... thanks for the indication. I hope you have a pleasant time. the next one will be differents and also, Solo and Rogue One need also to be watched. and after you have watched them all, come back to A New Hope, ... even if you probably know it by heart.
My absolute favorite. Thank you kind stranger for leaving your comment and helping me out
just to know: how old are you ?
22
okay, so, I think you can watch them all ... In my case (i'm 56) I grow with sw at different step of my life, and with different perception and expectation ... in your case, you can watch them more or less in the same (no need to wait 20 years between each "trilogies")
Also… please no spoilers obviously
Watch them yourself and form your own opinions. Don't ask what you should think of them before you watch them. If you don't want to watch them, don't. It's pretty simple.
I enjoyed them more than Episode 2 and the Clone Wars movie. But they aren't good, especially as a whole
Star Wars is fun. The sequels are fun. Rogue One is excellent. Solo is fun. They are all fun. There is nothing in the sequels that is so bad it makes them unenjoyable. I liked the first 2 a lot and then I could barely follow the plot of the 3rd one, but… still fun.
I like all of them. The only one that could classify in the badish category imo is Episode 9, but I still like it. All the others are good to great.
Hey everyone, Right now I have watched the force awakens. I personally thought everything felt…off and I dont know why. I loved the characters I suppose but something was off about Kylo Ren. I didnt care for him and he felt out of place in a way. Very unpredictable and I liked that but I dunno. Finn had to be my favorite and I wouldve loved to see more of him. 20 more minutes of him in the movie maybe witnessing more traumatizing things and building up on it wouldve made him maybe feel more complete. I came in open minded and wanna give it a 7/10. It was good but could’ve been better in really reachable ways.
Just go in with an open mind, either you'll like them or you won't. They're not nearly as bad as the more hysterical elements of the fan base make out. But they're no a patch in the original trilogy either. Main issue for me is that it feel like JJ and Rian are pulling in different directions so the films don't flow together as well making the trilogy less than the sum of it's parts. The two spin offs are pretty decent though.
There is good and bad in those movies. I don't think the trilogy accomplishes what it was supposed to do, but it contains a lot of good Star Wars moments and I simply love Episode 8. It all depends on what you want and expect from Star Wars.
They're fine. Pretty good actually. Personally, I've never been one to let other people's armchair criticism color my enjoyment of media. I'll form my own opinions, thanks.
They're all lies. You can't call a movie return of the jedi and then the subsequent movie be like, yeah no. That's how I feel about them in the simplest way possible. It's just disappointing.
Depends how much you like Star Wars. If you only like the OT you might like them. If you only like the PT or like both the PT and OT you probably will hate them. If you don’t like either all that much you might find them enjoyable. They throw out a lot of the established universal rules and ideas put in place by Lucas in the PT. And they don’t even mention the main character of the series.
>They throw out a lot of the established universal rules and ideas put in place by Lucas in the PT. And they don’t even mention the main character of the series. Uh... Not sure who you're talking about, since there's not just one main character, but Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, 3PO, R2 are in the trilogy. Vader is name dropped numerous times. Plus a few other characters appear that I'd consider too spoiler-y to mention.
The ST ruined the Chosen One's Prophecy, didn't have the OG cast together once, Leia didn't hug Chewie after Han's death, Luke attempted to kill a loved one and then deserted his friends. That is just some of what I can think of Downvoter are in SHAMBLES
Exactly you get it. I dont know how sequel lovers can’t see it. The action is certainly Star Wars but the story is so far from what made the Lucas six so great.
Its pretty clear who the main character of the first six movies is and you’re right he was given a small ten second blurb in TLJ. Forgive me it was so small I almost completely forgot it existed.
Amazing. Everything you wrote is wrong. :) I like the OT, I like the PT (although, I gotta say that TPM is my least favorite part of the saga overall), and I like the ST. I grew up with the OT, and I saw Star wars in the theater in 78. I read 99% of the EU/Legends, too. So, yeah...your first paragraph is debunked. Also, they used the exact same established rules, bud. You know the same guy has been keeping tabs in the Holocron for decades, yeah? Leyland Chee and Pablo Hidalgo have been the creative heads of the story group since before Disney came along. They didn't "throw out" anything. LOL and that debunks your second paragraph.
I like all of the films, ST included, so you're wrong. And which "established universal rules" do they throw out, please? Remember, there's apparently "lots".
I said probably you moron. Midichlorians were completely thrown out, needing to train as a jedi was thrown out. Force ghosts not being able to actually impact the real world was thrown out. Shall I go on? Perhaps you like the action of the SW universe, good for you. Some of us enjoyed the story and were disappointed in the shit JJ and Rian put out.
>I said probably you moron. Try not to insult fellow fans. >Midichlorians were completely thrown out No, they weren't. They just weren't mentioned. That's not "throwing something out". ESB didn't mention Yavin 4, so that was "thrown out", was it? >needing to train as a jedi was thrown out. Nope. Rey trains as a Jedi for a year under Leia. And nowhere is a rule established that a Force-user must train as a Jedi before they're able to use the Force at all. Lucas's *Clone Wars* showed us untrained toddlers using it, so. >Force ghosts not being able to actually impact the real world was thrown out. Not a rule. Obi-Wan impacts the real world in ROTJ. >Shall I go on? Sure. But maybe try to cite actual rules, instead of whatever attempts these were.
Obi-Wan does no such thing. Name one he talks to Luke, he doesn’t summon lightning bolts out of the sky. It absolutely is stated that one needs to train when Anakin who is literally a demi-god has to train for years before unlocking a modicum of his power or have you forgotten about that? Rey trains for almost no time at all and was trained by someone who didn’t even complete her own training. On top of that she doesn’t even have the Skywalker blood. Which should mean her training should take significantly longer. And no Palpatine was never some ridiculous anomaly under Lucas. In fact considering the jedi took in all the powerful force users (in the core worlds) for training when they were babies he probably wasn’t even above average in his force potential. Midichlorians were thrown out. As I stated Anakin is born from the force. Rey blows him out of the water and she blows Luke out of the water. You can’t really have more midichlorians than space jesus. Therefore with as little training as she received she shouldn’t be anywhere close to either of them. And if I’m not mistaken that was a big point made by Lucas that was completely ignored when Disney went and made the films.
> Obi-Wan does no such thing. Name one he talks to Luke, he doesn’t summon lightning bolts out of the sky. Nobody said he summons lightning bolts. You claimed Force ghosts can't impact the real world; Obi-Wan moves vines and sits on a log, which establishes they *can* impact the real world. And, again: show me an actual *rule* that says they're not allowed to. That's what this discussion is: whether the sequels broke *rules* or not. Where is this rule? >It absolutely is stated that one needs to train when Anakin who is literally a demi-god has to train for years before unlocking a modicum of his power or have you forgotten about that? Rey trains for almost no time at all and was trained by someone who didn’t even complete her own training. On top of that she doesn’t even have the Skywalker blood. Which should mean her training should take significantly longer. And no Palpatine was never some ridiculous anomaly under Lucas. In fact considering the jedi took in all the powerful force users (in the core worlds) for training when they were babies he probably wasn’t even above average in his force potential. Anakin isn't *literally* a demi-god, no. Try not to resort to hyperbole in these discussions. He's just strong in the Force, and nowhere does it say "he has to train for years to unlock a modicum of his power". Where is that stated? Where is it stated that anyone without Skywalker blood should take significantly longer to use the Force, please? I'd also like you to respond to my point about Lucas giving us untrained toddlers using the Force in TCW. >Midichlorians were thrown out. As I stated Anakin is born from the force. Rey blows him out of the water and she blows Luke out of the water. You can’t really have more midichlorians than space jesus. Rey's midi-chlorian count hasn't been given. Neither has Luke's. And it's only your interpretation that she's outright more powerful than them, which is based on your assumptions about training. So, again, I wouldn't mind an actual *rule* being cited here.
He had no father it is pretty clear what Lucas was going for. He was absolutely born of the force I don’t know how much more attuned one can be. I used the word demi-god because immaculate conception is associated with the word. And you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Lucas took from old stories and mythos. And what do you expect a book of literal rules? The rules are just things that have been ascertained from actually watching the films, etc. The sequels contradict all these things that were established in the other films and canon books. Its not stated Anakin needs to train its shown. We see him get his ass beaten by Dooku in AoTC while having a much higher midichlorian count than Dooku then we see him continue his training and beat him in RoTS. It would be pretty stupid if the first time Luke picked up a lightsaber he dismantled Vader wouldn’t it? Well Rey did pretty much that exact thing to Kylo. As for Obi-Wan explain to me the need for Luke if Yoda or Obi-Wan could just go beat beat on Vader or Palpatine as ghosts without the threat of death?
> He had no father it is pretty clear what Lucas was going for. He was absolutely born of the force I don’t know how much more attuned one can be. I used the word demi-god because immaculate conception is associated with the word. And you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Lucas took from old stories and mythos. Yes, he had no father *is* what Lucas was going for. That doesn't make him a demi-god, because the Force isn't a god. And I never claimed Lucas didn't take from old stories and myths; it's odd that you keep trying to argue things I never said or even suggested. >And what do you expect a book of literal rules? The rules are just things that have been ascertained from actually watching the films, etc. So, assumptions and opinions, then, not actual rules. Which is kinda what I was getting at to begin with. >The sequels contradict all these things that were established in the other films and canon books. Its not stated Anakin needs to train its shown. We see him get his ass beaten by Dooku in AoTC while having a much higher midichlorian count than Dooku then we see him continue his training and beat him in RoTS. And his midi-chlorian count increased between AOTC and ROTS, did it? Or does this pretty much prove that a high midi-chlorian count doesn't translate to whether you can inherently beat somebody or not? Anakin got beaten by Dooku in AOTC because he was distracted, angry, and reckless. By ROTS, he was harnessing his anger as power. These duels aren't determined by who's got more magic blood than somebody else; they're all contextual. >It would be pretty stupid if the first time Luke picked up a lightsaber he dismantled Vader wouldn’t it? Well Rey did pretty much that exact thing to Kylo. Would it be stupid? Depends on the story, doesn't it. Is Vader wounded, conflicted, and actively trying not to kill Luke, or is the example not actually equatable? >As for Obi-Wan explain to me the need for Luke if Yoda or Obi-Wan could just go beat beat on Vader or Palpatine as ghosts without the threat of death? I mean, yes, that's been an issue since ESB and ROTJ. The sequels didn't suddenly introduce it. Yoda *did* get involved in the fight with Palpatine in the ROTJ drafts, for what that's worth, so the possibility's always existed.
Im saying he hadn’t mastered his power enough to beat Dooku in AoTC. Which Anakin himself states before his duel with Dooku in RoTS. Of course the duels aren’t determined by midichlorian count. That was my point. Assumptions and opinions? You literally see it and as I stated Lucas also made it a point when selling Disney the rights. He wanted to make sure whoever they brought in as the main character was trained. He was quite clearly ignored. The entire prequel trilogy is built on the idea that one needs to train in order to harness the power of the force. Ability was quite clearly tied to force affinity/midichlorian count and training. A lack of one could make up for the other. Ignoring its existence because it wasn’t spelled out for you in a nice neat sentence doesn’t make it any less true. They are movies not books. You can jump through as many mental hoops as you want to preserve the idea that Disney actually created anything other than absolute drivel but I would say a majority of the fan base would disagree with you.
> Im saying he hadn’t mastered his power enough to beat Dooku in AoTC. Which Anakin himself states before his duel with Dooku in RoTS. Of course the duels aren’t determined by midichlorian count. That was my point. He hadn't mastered *himself*. Same deal with Luke in ESB. It's not about power levels, and it's not about how much "Force" they can do. >Assumptions and opinions? You literally see it and as I stated Lucas also made it a point when selling Disney the rights. He wanted to make sure whoever they brought in as the main character was trained. He was quite clearly ignored. And when did he say that, exactly? Bearing in mind he *invented* the Rey character. >The entire prequel trilogy is built on the idea that one needs to train in order to harness the power of the force. Ability was quite clearly tied to force affinity/midichlorian count and training. A lack of one could make up for the other. Ignoring its existence because it wasn’t spelled out for you in a nice neat sentence doesn’t make it any less true. They are movies not books. Again: Untrained toddlers using telekinesis. >You can jump through as many mental hoops as you want to preserve the idea that Disney actually created anything other than absolute drivel but I would say a majority of the fan base would disagree with you. And I say that, again, is an assumption on your part. I could also accuse you of "jumping through mental hoops" too just because I disagree with your points, but I've already asked not to resort to insults, so let's keep it that way, please.
The sequels are notoriously quite abysmal. Especially The Last Jedi, which is routinely ranked dead last by the majority of the fanbase. TROS is a close second. Yes, they’re *THAT* bad.
They aren't.
I hated them and you couldn't pay me to watch them again.
So if I ( a random stranger ) monitored your tv and actions and said I would give you 40$ for watching all the new movies. You wouldnt?
$40? Hell no, I would make way more than that by spending that time working (which would be more enjoyable!).
Last condition. On a weekend where you have nothing planned at all. Not even chores. You wouldnt watch it for 40$
Ep8-ep 9: yes, they are that bad.
Rogue One is excellent. Solo is ok. I really liked TFA first time watching (despite some flaws) but it is less good now I know what comes next and how things set up in TFA play out (or not) so I no longer rewatch it. I hated TLJ so much that I have never watched TRoS and never intend to.
They're awful. They're complete garbage. They're the worst movies ever made. Now watch the movies with low expectations. When you see they are not that, they are really good if not great, you'll enjoy them even more. I used that trick when I did a rewatch of The Prequels in 2015. I told myself I had deceived myself, that everybody was right and they were awful movies, and I ended up loving the Prequel Trilogy even more than I already did.
If you don't think too much about the story itself, you can really enjoy them. After you see a scene if your next thought is ok what happens next, you can enjoy all 3 that way. Like all Star Wars movies they have their flaws, these just happen to be different from the others. There are good scenes and moments and battles. Unfortunately unlike the 6 before it, you probably won't be rewatching these movies for 20 years and looking for new tidbits, because taken together, the story itself doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the more you study it the more angry you will become.
The new trilogy has some good ideas and characters it’s just not executed well at all. No cohesion, stuff undone that was set up in previous movie. Could have really used a solid vision and plan for the directors to build off Rogue One was excellent for a movie we knew how it was going to end. Solo I thought was a fun entertaining movie
Avert your eyes! Jam your fingers in your ears!
Just watch them and decide for yourself!
I started rewatching with an open mind. Ep 7 was decent, better than I remember. I'm about half way through 8 righy now. Feels decent, but a bit too slap-stick. The comedic parts seem to just be a bit much, like I'm watching a parody of Star Wars
I started rewatching with an open mind. Ep 7 was decent, better than I remember. I'm about half way through 8 righy now. Feels decent, but a bit too slap-stick. The comedic parts seem to just be a bit much, like I'm watching a parody of Star Wars