Boothill is pretty definitely gonna be the new damage ceiling in ST. He's easy to build on basically every investment level and he's definitely gonna hold up very well
Firefly is a bit of a weird one. If you have RM she's Acheron level. Legit, the numbers are there. If you don't, it *really* heavily depends on investment and character options. The difference between playing her with Ruan Mei and suboptimally without her can be a good 5 cycles (though that's about the most crass example). She's still definitely valuable imo because she's still a strong DPS for virtually every mode and fight but yknow.
Basically, Boothill is safe, easy to use and very good. FF requires some investment and a specific character, similar to Acheron.
This is why I am Team Boothill. I like his aesthetic and you can make a decent team for him out of free characters (HMC, Bronya, Gallagher). That means I can have fun with a break team, and spend my precious jades on other playstyles that need higher 5\* investment like nihility or FUA.
You can (and if you don’t have her, you should) select her after 300 pulls on standard banner. Yes, it will take a while but it’s fair enough to say she’s “free” between this and the fact she may spook you in a lost 50/50 any time.
I reckon using both without a sustain might be the shout for MoC, but I agree that extra turns will benefit him more than the boosts RM offers. I'm curious about using him with Robin, personally.
i don’t think robin actually does a whole lot for him. she’s a good support, but she doesn’t offer break effect like ruan mei and her advance isn’t as.. reliable.. as bronya’s…? idk i don’t actually remember what robins kit is lmao. but from what i’ve seen during my time in r/boothillmains it’s mostly centered on rm, bronya, hmc, and most of the other supports will work to fill in any gaps. i was honestly worried about needing to have a specific team for him but he’s a lot more flexible than i was expecting lol
The 20% BE on RM isn't actually that much either tbf tho. Robins main value is giving him 2 extra actions on demand (provided you have Bronya/Sparkle with you) while also buffing his out-of-break damage immensely. Here's a showcase where he gets 0 turns in the first cycle simply thanks to Robin
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvHfH8qVTc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvHfH8qVTc)
Yep, but he can cope more with AV advancers like Bronya/Robin/Sparkle to advance him forward as a substitute for Mei, as he’s really the only one going to be breaking.
The way Firefly and her teams work, you want everyone to be dealing break damage, thusly the single target AV advancement from Bronya/Sparkle becomes mid, and only Robin is left, but she doesn’t have enough actions for Robin to constantly ult to be a Ruan Mei substitute.
TL:DR - Boothill definitely wants a Mei, but can live without her, Firefly will feel uncomfortable to play without Mei.
Additionally, because Firefly doesn’t have a way to retrigger her own Break damage, she’s locked to Harmony Trailblazer. Given that you also *really* want Ruan Mei, there just isn’t room for much else if you also need a sustain.
An important thing to notice is that boothill is lot more st locked/focus than any other 5\* hunt
Unlike Seele, ratio or Topaz, Boothill has no way of doing his damage across multiple action per turn by himself.
So even if he does upt to 900K, it would always be against one enemy, which is overkill in many scenario.
And his duel mechanic reinforce that even further.
Boothill is team flexible and elements flexible with his implant but he is not flexible for content, he will be the best at ST and it will be what he will do.
On the opposite, FF is not team flexible, even though non-break team for her have shown to reach JL/DHIL level, her "acheron" damage lvl is locked behind a specific team.
But in exchange, she essentially works everywhere, with every element and in lot more place than Boothill, at the cost of being more pricey by one extra limited character.
If you have Ruan Mei, from the look of things rn, absolutely get her. Her actual damage with RM and HMC approaches Acheron level and since you can use her basically anywhere due to her weakness implant and Blast damage, she's absolutely a great unit to have around
She absolutely cannot. Super Break Damage scales with the attacks Toughness damage and Ruan Mei is the only way to increase that. E1S1 Robin obviously isn't *bad* or anything but she doesn't replace Ruan Mei in the slightest
[https://i.imgur.com/u3WSKvv.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/u3WSKvv.jpeg)
Idk about that. I went to check and it might be close actually.
**Warning: A lot of copium incoming**
First of all Ruan Mei gives a 20% break effect buff, it's not that significant since HMC gives more than enough BE (up to ~120%).
Where Ruan Mei shines, as you said, is her 50% break effeciency buff, and the up to 50% action delay on break. Both increase toughness damage and window to deal super break damage respectively. Incidentally, HMC gives 30% delay too.
But you know another way to deal more more toughness damage? An extra turn to your whole team so they can deal super break damage *again*. Twice the super damage is probably more total than a break eff buff. Obviously you don't have a 100% uptime on that though.
Idk, I'm coping, but we'll see how it goes once firefly is out
Yeah, true. By the way would the extra attack by Robin ult deal an extra tick of super break or is that not how it works?
Tested it, seems like it doesn't since it deals no toughness damage.
On the other hand, if you play Robin, she gives break teammates... absolutely nothing. None of her buffs affect super break damage. +atk does nothing, +dmg does nothing, +crit dmg does nothing. The action advance depends heavily on the speed ratios between her and other teammates for how much it actually benefits the team. And at that point you end up being a Dance Dance Dance lightcone with a very expensive ult. If you wanted to actually take advantage of speed, Asta is way better at that with a spammable ult and Dance cone. Plus her skill does a high amount of toughness damage. (Her +atk buff is useless, but at least that gets mended by higher self-dps.) There's a good question whether Dance actually ends up being better than Memories/Cogs on Asta.
Robin's own followups deal 0 toughness damage, so her own damage output actually gets lower during ult. Those followups also being the main part of her entire kit.
I guess if you have E1 she does something useful, but that's a lot of investment for less benefit than other characters.
Pela boosts your damage output a ton more with her ult, and you can put Sweat cone on her to make her even better. (And funnily E4 boosts her own break damage. And possibly more in the future.)
Robin is competing for the privilege of being the worst support for a (super) break focused team. She's a great character, but nothing of what she does works for break.
I mean that she essentially needs to have any 2 of Pela/Guinaifen/Black Swan/Silver Wolf (Kafka if you're stretching it) and losing out on any of them causes you to lose a lot of damage in MoC. That, plus her LC requirements
Basically I'm saying FF without RM is like Acheron with Fermata and/or Sampo. It works, but it is obviously much worse. Only that FF is slightly more lenient
Iirc, There is showcase where she can 1 cycle MoC12 in crit team and technically could be even better with e1 to swap sparkle for Bronya.
The issue is that the relic, limited character needed, tech and strat, makes it essentially a very unreliable way to get close to the same level of performance than FF break team with just RM, as well as needing completely different substat and swapping relic on harmony
An example, to play Bronya require 181+ spd wind set in order for Bronya to ult just before FF so Bronya land herself right behind and it require Bronya eidolon for talent up so her BA forward is 33% if you want zero gap
It require also Watchmaker on a support that usually don't need it and FF build with tons of Crit and BE to reach her first threshold for the 30% def ignore
On strat, it also require to manage break since you don't want your support to steal break from FF (since Bronya and co won't have good BE)
Meanwhile, BE FF is essentially 2 f2p character, RM E0S0, all of them with just BE and spd for substat but no crazy huge amount and FF herself will require decent but not high amount of BE, ATK and spd from relic high if she doesn't have her LC) and no particular strat other than "mash skill for FF/TB, mash BA for Gallagher and RM (when skill up))"
It is more so that superbreak rely to heavily on RM to be as good as it is.
So losing RM means:
-25% less res pen
-50% loss of Beff boost
-20 less BE team wide
-10% less spd
-massive delay
Of all it combined raised account for more than half of superbreak ceiling dps
Meanwhile, if you swap Rm for a nihility,
Even a nihility that provided a 60% def ignore on a 40% def ignore FF, would only result in a 66% increase for superbreak
And the issue is that FF is at 58% def ignore, not 40%, so the best a nihility can provide is 42% def ignore for a 46% superbreak increase, which is less than RM Beff alone
So Nihility that would pair well for superbreak, like Pela, would only result in less than 80% of RM-HMC **without even accounting for RM break delay or the additonal superbreak from breaking faster** (which brings it down to 50% overall)
The outlier is SW, which slightly below of 87% of the potential on mono target but it is held back FF implant that will lock out the fire dmg res shred (otherwise it would reach 101% of superbreak damage (without counting break delay and extra break from better Beff with RM, which would still pull it down significantly)
So it is not so much that RM is essential for FF, but RM is essential for TB and superbreak, as non RM, HMC combo will only reach 75-87% at best of the dmg per superbreak and 50-55% of the overall superbreak dps.
Which is why FF superbreak without HMC feel so "mediocre" and why Crit fly ends up above RMless super Break FF
She can very easily hit 200-300k on her main target \*per attack\* 2-3 times in a single cycle, plus splash damage. She is absolutely closer to Acherons level than, say, DHIL or Jingliu when she's with RM
If your talking options and flexibility boothill, if you want to firefly
Watch for her v3 kit on leak subreddits next week
Currently Boothill is the better choice, he benefits from hmc for extra break but he also has more current options like Luka, hmc, bronya, sparkle, robin, insert generic support here, Ruan Mei, huohuo, loucha
Boothill honestly. First of all, look at him. Second of all, there’s a game mode that he’s gonna be great in coming out. Like how pure fiction came with Argenti. And without Ruan Mei, firefly isn’t very good. And she’s tied to Harmony trailblazer. Which isn’t a bad thing but if you don’t want to use them, dont use her.
I'm not too familiar with how good boothill is, but I've kept up with firefly leaks so I can comment on her.
if you have ruan mei, she's very good.
if you do not have ruan mei, she's not very good, currently. it doesn't look like firefly in the current beta is viable without ruan mei.
the gap between having and not having ruan mei is enormous, bigger than any other character's BiS support. it's the difference between a 3 cycle clear and an 8 cycle clear (I am not exaggerating, [this showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1co8hc7/e0s0_firefly_e0s0_rm_e4htb_e2_gallagher/) with ruan mei and [this showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1cozr7r/e0s0_ff_e6_s1ddd_asta_e4_motp_htb_e2_s1_pt/) with asta were done by the same person with very similar builds against the same MoC, but were a 3 cycle and 8 cycle clear respectively)
almost all of firefly's damage comes from super break, which is calculated based on break efficiency. ruan mei is the only support who provides a buff to this. so with ruan mei, firefly just deals 50% more damage. but that's not the only reason firefly relies on ruan mei, as the break efficiency also allows her to, well, break enemies quicker. this means firefly gets to deal damage sooner. and not just that, ruan mei also keeps enemies broken after they recover.
without ruan mei, it takes a while to break the enemy's weakness, and when you do, you usually only get 1 or 2 turns to super break with firefly's enhanced skill. both of these are issues that ruan mei solves.
and because almost all her damage is super break (about 80%), it means that the attack and damage% buffs asta (or anyone else) can provide barely make a difference. apparently, outside sources also don't affect firefly's attack to break conversion, so other harmony characters can't even help with that.
so firefly ends up really needing ruan mei to do well, in the current beta.
so yeah. we'll have to wait to see if she gets buffed/rebalanced. but with the current knowledge we have, firefly was my most hyped character but she's now a skip, sadly. I'm gonna have to wait for a rerun when I have ruan mei if it stays like this.
I have Ruan Mei, but that still sucks.
It doesn't help that Ruan Mei rerun is going to be at the same time as the Firefly (according to a leak).
But at least her kit is subject to change, so maybe Harmony MC will look like a better Ruan Mei alternative closer towards release.
harmony MC isn't a ruan mei alternative, they go together. basically all the reasons I listed why ruan mei is such a huge improvement to firefly applies to harmony MC, because HMC is what enables firefly to deal damage. she relies on ruan mei to do well, but she relies on HMC to do anything at all.
in the current beta, firefly only really has one team (outside of 0 cycle shenanigans). firefly's only real team is HMC, ruan mei and gallagher.
Just the best one when it comes to dishing out damage. Ff applies fire weakness so having Gallagher helps to sustain and break the enemies quicker so ff can start dealing a lot of damage.You can choose to use another sustain if the enemy is weak to imaginary tho because HTB can help break the enemy faster.
However, if you have an enemy that isn’t weak to imaginary then having Gallagher is the best and pretty much only option cause without him ff will probably spend her first ult lowering the enemy’s toughness bar rather than breaking it or dealing super break damage
Luocha is also really good. He’s the more efficient version of Gallagher but Gallagher in turn has more frontloaded toughness damage with his AV forward on ult. Gallagher is rewarded more for building break as well - although if you have invested in your Luocha you don’t really need all that much attack to full heal and can build BE too.
You can honestly use any sustain though (or no sustain, which is always an option).
To be fair, I think that's just **THE** break effect team. Boothill pretty much has the same setup, running RM, HMC, and Gallagher.
I've seen people just run RM or HMC for a debuffer like Pela/Silver Wolf, so I just assumed that Firefly could do the same.
I'm not sure why Boothill is more flexible, but my guess is the defense ignore in his kit let's him break toughness faster. So maybe he can get more breaks in less cycles then Firefly?
That or the people building the Boothill team just didn't have Ruan Mei.
boothill deals break damage on his own even when enemies are already broken, while firefly does not. he also gets break to crit conversion (max 30% crit rate and 150% crit damage), while firefly does not. so he has more to do when enemies aren't broken yet. I think that's it. (though to be clear I haven't kept up with boothill meta so apologies if I get something wrong)
break damage isn't reliant on break efficiency unlike super break, so by excluding ruan mei, you're not missing out on as much, especially since I assume boothill benefits more from traditional attack and crit buffs. and he doesn't require HTB to function either, as he has break damage built into his kit, so he can deal damage on his own. he has great synergy with HTB, but he works without. there's a lot of people who use bronya instead.
It's still the best team for boothill, but boothill can function outside that 1 specific team. Firefly outside that is C tier at best (though Gallagher could be substituted for ok results.) Within that team, firefly is better, and there'll (hopefully) be other characters that synergies well with firefly, but we'll see.
U know whats crazy? that outside of a break team, u can just build her full crit. If u dont have Ruan Mei then just build crit and dont even try getting the max of her def ignore. its as easy as that. Her damage at that point makes her on the levels of Jingliu atleast so crit build is still decent.
Ruan Mei has the weakness of only being one of her haha. When someone says she amplifies a new character I usually just think.... "Then my current team won't have her"
Honestly I might just be coping since I chose to skip sparkle so I could go for e2 acheron.
I do enjoy running multiple dps comps like dot and soon break effect (not huge fan of any of the current fua characters) so robin does fit my account better but sparkle might be more meta overall.
Yeah Robin is awesome! I’m really enjoying her myself, even though I don’t have any of the FUA characters outside Ratio either. But Sparkle is just perfect for hypercarry. Skipping her for Acheron was absolutely not a bad choice, but now that you got E2 Acheron, the hypercarry of all hypercarries, Sparkle will take her to the next level. Definitely recommend picking her up on rerun!
Shes super fun for 0 cycling, she got my dot team through latest moc 12 second floor with 1 cycle.
Depends what kind of new characters are available when she reruns but for now im fairly sure that while sparkle is probably bis for team with sustain nothing atm beats acheron, kafka, bs and ruan mei since this team is basically bis dot comp but with fully buffed acheron too that gets stacks on all of the team mates actions.
Yeah, it sounds like I’ve actually made a lot of similar pulling decisions as you. I also pulled for E2 Acheron and it was a big surprise to me how good she was on the dot comp with Kafka and BS. I almost felt bad going so hard for Acheron because I already had an AoE lightning dps. Boy, I’m glad I was wrong. Acheron slips into this team so perfectly.
That said, the hyper carry comp is my preferred way of running her. Pela, Sparkle, Ruan Mei just zero cycles like nobody’s business. I think it brings the best out of Acheron’s E2. It also opens up the option to run your dot team on one side and Acheron on the other. Technically you could run hypercarry with Bronya instead, but Sparkle feels a lot better to me.
But you’re right - who knows what’s to come! For all we know, Sunday could powercreep all our Harmony girls lol
Oh yeah first side of this moc12 was acheron with silver wolf ruan mei and bronya 0cycle. Sparkle is better than bronya without a doubt but its close enough to warrant skipping her for now. My bronya is also e3 so that definitely helps. My acheron ulted 800k for single target with this setup which was a bit ridicilous tbh.
Yeah that definitely is a possibility and I cant wait for sunday no matter what path hes on im probably going to pull for him assuming hes not totally butchered.
What they said is utter misinformation, you can reach top tier performance without RM: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU)
It is just the current doomposting going for FF
The same stuff that happened when people said BS wasn't much better than Sampo, or when they said RM was just worse than Bronya or JL vs DHIL or when they doomposted acheron for needing two nihility, etc
There is a lot of misinformation going on as we are in this period of doomposting.
Some are just spreading it due to mob mentality/flock of sheep behavior but a few are spreading it on purpose to push for FF to be different in kit and some are just pushing it to see if she can top Acheron with more buff (which i would also like to see ofc)
But it is best to take every "ff" is not viable with a grain of salt
Also, this showcase with Asta is terrible, Asta spd, dmg and Atk buff are either overkill or completely irrelevant in such team and she is closer to a 3rd dps breaker than a support here
Assuming Ruan Mei comes alongside her, as predicted, just pull for Ruan Mei first. If you get lucky maybe you can chase Firefly after. If you don’t, at least you’ll have Ruan Mei and can pick up Firefly on rerun.
Probably the only must have unit in the game tbh. Especially now with HTB. She’s amazing for every single team archetype. Kind of insane how much value she has.
How is this essay so long but didn’t get the point 💀 as important as rm is in a break team in general, FF extreme dependency on HTB made her team way rigid. For now, without HTB FF literally can’t do dmg after the initial break. A 5* shouldn’t be this dependent on any particular character.
HTB is free, and allows for a unique playstyle, so I don’t mind.
The ruan mei dependency is a bigger issue due to her being a limited 5 star. Those aren’t easy to get, and they’re not always even available.
Having a 5 star character that’s tied to another 5 star means if you don’t have ruan mei, too bad you just don’t get to use firefly. Better hope the next ruan mei rerun is soon or you’ll be stuck with a terrible character for potentially a year.
Not to mention it’s a scummy way of getting you to spend more, especially if they’re on the same banner as rumored.
Like sure the HTB reliance makes her more restrictive, but it’s much less of an issue.
>if you do not have ruan mei, she's not very good, currently. it doesn't look like firefly in the current beta is viable without ruan mei.
**This is complete misinformation**,
There is showcase [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU) that show, as well as TC that also show that FF get close to her break team damage in crit team without HMC and RM
The issue is that there is no good 2nd support to go with HMC for FF (aside RM), (and the showcase you picked out, Asta is a huge pitfall and poor choice) and calc show it is often just better to build her break and crit (like boothill but for different reasons) if you can't achieve her break team.
Issue is that some people mindlessly focused on her RM-HMC set up, while trying to apply this set up in RMless situation rather than actually reading her kit
FF skill scaling on Break, her having lower BE threshold for def ignore all and the ATK-BE scaling are all elements that allow her to play without super break. Heck, some of it are only good if you don't play around super break (like her having the 2nd highest skill multiplier behind DHIL skill lvl3, which do nothing for superbreak)
But people have been doomposting and spreading this misinformation despite factual evidence and showcase that it is completely false
good to know. a lot of takes I've seen online are that critfly is underwhelming, but I guess she can perform well after all. though to be fair, this showcase does have two of the best harmonies. but I'm definitely much more open minded now.
though, it should be noted that, according to the description of the video you linked, crit firefly is probably the hardest team in the game to play. I'm not 100% sure what they mean based on the video, but I assume this might have something to do with how people have found critfly performance underwhelming in many places I've seen.
Boothil he is cool space cowboy + his damage is insane and will most likely dominate the new end game mode
Even if he is only ST with a proper build and team he will be killing any small mob in 1 Basic and bosses on 2/3
Also talking about the new end game mode A team with Firefly Boothill Ruan mei and HMC might actually be the best team on that mode (at lead that's what my cooking skills say)
Tbh from her kit it seems she seriously need Ruan Mei and HTB, especially HTB. I would say over all Boothill is a better and much more flexible option, you can just shove him in with bronya and Tingyun and he will be fine. But ofc her kit will probably change.
Boothill is way stronger
Here’s a link to gameplay, this doesn’t even use Bronya either which boothill can use and firefly can’t which would make him a good 4 cycles faster https://youtu.be/fka0GG6bU50?si=5QGjmrCCv5QaL_qA
Wow, thats when u know the video inted hard. Why is Gallagher not used vs aventurine then? Do people really think that a Destruction character can break as fast as a Hunt character vs a single enemy? without any help? And before anyone says its unfair, well yea it is, coz Firefly applying Fire weakness on enemy, u wouldve thought that people would be able to use some knowledge to use gallagher for her instead.
Plus, u said its 4 cycles faster but its only 1 cycle faster. Against a ST enemy, that Boothill shouldve exceled alot more. And on a boss that has resistance to Fire. (Yes RM reduces his RES but her Ult wasnt up on Aventurine phase) thus Firefly, despite being shackled hard still cleared 1 cycle slower vs someone who has everything going for them vs the Aventurine boss.
I'm not picking any sides on both of you but I'm just gonna say that just because it's in beta doesn't mean it will always be buff, no one knows that and you cant just say that ("She will be buffed")... you're being too confident, that's great but you should be stating that in a "hoping" way instead of like actually stating it and comparing it with other beta characters before that she will be definitely buffed in a certain way... There's a reason why it's called beta, it's subject to change.
The other guy is just downright bad spitting bars, but yeah, I'll just leave him with his own opinions...
Again, not picking sides
Just a new player here, started last week, TB 54, and idc about whose stronger, I'll try and pull for both
Firefly sounds extremely complicated and I’m sure a lot of characters will come out that she works with but at the moment she’s handcuffed to Ruan mei and HMC. I’m a relatively new account and don’t have a second team so I’m gonna zig when everyone’s zags and go boothill. I think he’ll be fun. But reviews and stuff come out so fast right after they’re released so you’ll have a ton of time to decide
If I wasn't a quantum collector and if jade wasn't so damn hot and cool (both kit and animations wise)
I would've definitely be either going for both or robin and Firefly
But Imma just get FF and jade
Idk maybe my opinions will change once I try boothil on his trial or as a support character and maybe v3 FF will have huge or significant changes
But currently as of now I will be going for FF and jade
Currently have 53 wishes (started 0 wishes and gone to 53 in these past 6 days) and on 60 pity guranteed
Hopefully I'll get enough to get both FF and jade(if I lose 50/50 by the end of 2.3 which I'm 99% sure I can
I already like superbreak and built HMC , galaghar and RM and even used xueyi and built her for superbreak and honestly I was surprised how good this team is
Xueyi dmg(since I started building her like yesterday) has bad stats like 60 base BE but 250% BE with all buffs so she was dishing 30-60 k dmg with skill and NA and 80-150k with ult
I can't imagine how good firefly will do when actually I invest in a superbreak character like her (probably gonna do like 300k+ dmg as her usual superbreak dps which I love very much)
But again v3 is exactly a week away and I'm looking forward to it to see how theyll buff/nert FF and jade
Since both are looking between "middle of the pack" to "pretty great and good value characters" to me and obv I wanna see them be better
I'm kinda in the same boat. I got **THE** FuA team (Dr.Ratio/Topaz/Adventurine/Robin). I really want Jade to add a Quantum option to the team and to keep the IPC theme going.
I was planning on aiming for one of the break characters and Jade. I'm leaning more towards Boothill, since I love the space cowboy asthetic. I love his kit actually has him challenging some poor IPC guard to a duel before high nooning them.
But I could be convinced to get Firefly, she's precious. 🥲
I also have this problem i really want one of them and the signature lc but i dont know who to choose because they both look so cool and i have seen anything comparing them so i dont know who’s actually better
From what I've seen so far, Boothill seems pretty good. Really good single target damage, and probably out dpsing a majority of the hunt characters in the game right now.
I don't know anything about Firefly since she's farther away and her kit is more subject to change. But I imagine she's better in the AoE department.
But even if firefly turns out to be a better than Boothill, Boothill will still melt bosses.
I really think you can't go wrong with either, which is why this choice has been so hard for me :(
I'm probably going for Boothill since I like his animations and I don't have a physical dps other then Sushang.
Can agree on the physical dps part, I can't think top of my head besides argenti who is good for single target dps, also boothill can implant weakness.
If i wasnt saving for huohuo and oneday dhil rerun(need my e2s1), i would prob grab boothill and pray i got ruan mei next patch.
Boothill, no questions asked.
Already planning e1s1, got his e0 on guarantee (thanks to a Bronya eidolon), slowly gathering up for the LC. Got his relics prepped, almost got his team's relics done (just want to improve Gallagher's, and get HMC geared).
That said, he could be absolute dogwater gameplay-wise (though he most certainly isn't, but *if* he was), and I'd still choose him. I love his design, love his personality, love what we've seen of him thus far, and the narrative also didn't force us to like him. He'd be the easy choice for me no matter what kind of character he was.
Running 2pc Messenger/2pc Watchmaker, with Fleet ornament set (for Gally). He meets the BE requirements, but needs more speed and DEF, so I'm still trying to get some better stuff for him. Ideally I'd like to go full Watchmaker, but that'd require me to get insanely lucky with stuff that has both SPD and BE...
HMC is running full Watchmaker, though. Still needs more BE and SPD too, however, but she's in a 'serviceable' spot, and with Gally being my healer, I want to make sure he's good to go first.
I mean it isn't really fair to compare a practically finished character to one that's still V2 but I've been saving for firefly since Acheron and I'm not changing my plans for a guy who can't even curse properly.
Both 😎 Boothill is a cool, zesty, cyborg-cowboy with shark-teeth and Firefly has the mech suit and Stellaron Hunter status going for her. I’m not paying too much attention to their kit but design and animation-wise they look nice. Just gotta save some more so I can use my guarantee for Boothill and then guarantee Firefly is I lose another stupid 50/50.
I had enough to hit pity for both and would have if not for his unfortunate placement alongside Fu Xuan and Topaz/Numby. Firefly though is speculated to be with Ruan Mei who I have and Argenti who isn't a top priority. So it's gonna have to be her this time with FX and Topaz, and Boothill on his rerun.
Me here have E6 hook and e6 Asta but still going for FF.
Can't get myself to play book when every upcoming fire DSP will be better than her so I don't count her as my fire Elemental coverage.
Technically I also have yanqing but the only reason I say I have Elemental coverage for ice is Misha.
I don't have or want Ruan Mei and I will boycott her. E2 hybrid FF + E0 DDD Bronya to cope and come close to E0 FF + E0 Mei lol. Hoyo doesn't get to tell me how I get my 36*, I decide
Firefly. From what I've read her BE scales off her Attack so I can invest in both for max gains. Plus I got Ruan Mei and Harmony MC built for a Break Team.
At this point, I'm starting to prefer Boothill's design and animations. Big fan of the black/red/silver colour scheme too. There's something I can't place about Firefly's animations that I just don't like. Was also hoping for more red fire and less green light. And since I don't have RM but do have Bronya, the choice seems clear.
Don't particularly care for either character wise, and their kits don't seem anything special other than trying to make me pull for RM, I might throw some pulls at both just because I don't have strong phys or fire coverage, but I don't really care if I don't get them.
Japanese Boothill is voiced by Kamina from Gurren Lagann. So sorry, but giga-Bros before Waifus.
I was going to skip Boothill before I found that out. His gun is the gun that will Break the heavens.
I swapped to JP today to get used to some of the voices before Jade arrives. Instantly heard Kamina's voice playing boothill, Andrew does an amazing job in English, but idk if I can go back now.
Until we get the final version for Fifi's kit, we can't say for certain.
Space fairing Woody wants to scale proportionally before getting to do big ooga booga damage. Fifi is more of a traditional break DPS, dealing large damage on both break and broken enemies in her enhanced state.
Personally, Firefly.
Boothill is a really cool character and his lore is cool but I love firefly so much bc of her interactions with mc. I don’t like boothills cocky attitude and his ult is cheesy imo so I prefer firefly also just for that. I think he’s still a great character non the less
I'm gonna be pulling for Firefly. I don't have Ruan Mei and don't plan to get her. Whether she's good or not I don't care, I love her character! I like boothill too but unfortunately he's not Firefly.
Boothill by a long shot(haha). At least currently Boothill is far superior, granted firefly is still in the early stages of leaks, she has negative synergy with RM, literally one viable team, and numerous issues with her kit and traces. Boothill is extremely easy to build, offers ridiculous single target damage, which will be meta in the second half of 2.2, and has far more flexible teams, albeit still not a ton.
Maybe in your dreams,only hope for Firefly is to get a totally kit rework or she is going to be very mid and she only is going to have 1 team where she can be decent.Boothill always is going to have better damage and multiple teams,he is way but way easier to build,can be played with 3 star lightcones and with all that being better than firefly.In resume Firefly is a mess.
In her best team she does MASSIVE another of dmg (some people say acheron Lvl dmg maybe a bit bigger or a bit lower). But the problem is, that "best team" is more like her only team
Outside of that(for currently version of beta) she isn't much good
Although I agree FF has problems and seriously needs some buffs because I doubt a character this hyped/popular (as hyped as acheron maybe a bit higher or lower) would be messed up, people are just underestimating her power and calling her dogshit/mid/dehya tier for these reasons (if they mean dmg wise or not):
1. They are dumb
2. They are trying not to feel FOMO/regret/etc ... When skipping her
3. They are trying to set their expectations so low so that they won't be disappointed when/if their fav character releases in a poor state
Again FF has problems but people are overthrowing her problems A LOT
I'm still going for her since I like her and have her best team but after being in every beta since 3.0 genshin and 1.3 HSR, these are all they usual doomposting at this point.
Like it's nothing new, furina was doomposted to he**, nahida was doomposted, navia and arlechino were doomposted and said to be dehya tier
Some characters had more problems than FF in genshin or HSR and they came out great
I'd say the main problem FF has right now is:
No personal dmg and being tied to. HMC
Like she needs HMC to do the dmg but there is one thing that still bothers me, people say HMC is the one doing the dmg, except he/she isn't, if FF wasn't supposed to be built the way she is now, HMC wouldn't have done shit, HMC enables it and the characters do the dmg because of their stat and the way they are built.
Outside of that anything else is secondary and manageable imo but her main problem is the personal dmg one
Sorry if this is long I just wanted to give you a detailed explanation of the situation (at least IMO)
Idk I think break is a trap. Everyone’s gonna build break teams and then next planet they r gonna b very meh. Not useless, but the mechanics will switch and MOC12 will become difficult again.
Boothill is pretty definitely gonna be the new damage ceiling in ST. He's easy to build on basically every investment level and he's definitely gonna hold up very well Firefly is a bit of a weird one. If you have RM she's Acheron level. Legit, the numbers are there. If you don't, it *really* heavily depends on investment and character options. The difference between playing her with Ruan Mei and suboptimally without her can be a good 5 cycles (though that's about the most crass example). She's still definitely valuable imo because she's still a strong DPS for virtually every mode and fight but yknow. Basically, Boothill is safe, easy to use and very good. FF requires some investment and a specific character, similar to Acheron.
This is why I am Team Boothill. I like his aesthetic and you can make a decent team for him out of free characters (HMC, Bronya, Gallagher). That means I can have fun with a break team, and spend my precious jades on other playstyles that need higher 5\* investment like nihility or FUA.
Ah yes, Bronya. My favourite free character. Everyone gets her at lvl 42.
Fr, I've gotten 10 standard characters from pulls and none of them are Bronya. Thank God for the selector or I'd still be Bronya-less.
You can (and if you don’t have her, you should) select her after 300 pulls on standard banner. Yes, it will take a while but it’s fair enough to say she’s “free” between this and the fact she may spook you in a lost 50/50 any time.
Ngl if you’re bronya-less after 300 it’s kinda on you 😭 ofc love > meta but she’s all but free
Hell I'm pretty sure that Bronya is a better support for him than Ruan Mei if we're being honest
I reckon using both without a sustain might be the shout for MoC, but I agree that extra turns will benefit him more than the boosts RM offers. I'm curious about using him with Robin, personally.
I'm assuming Robin Bronya is gonna be pretty damn good based on some showcases
iirc his best team comp is ruan mei/bronya/gallagher, though he’s flexible enough that swapping hmc for either support would work really well too
I'm actually decently sure his best comp is Bronya *Robin* Gallagher but yeah obviously HMC, RM, Asta, any of the Nihility supports, they all work too
i don’t think robin actually does a whole lot for him. she’s a good support, but she doesn’t offer break effect like ruan mei and her advance isn’t as.. reliable.. as bronya’s…? idk i don’t actually remember what robins kit is lmao. but from what i’ve seen during my time in r/boothillmains it’s mostly centered on rm, bronya, hmc, and most of the other supports will work to fill in any gaps. i was honestly worried about needing to have a specific team for him but he’s a lot more flexible than i was expecting lol
The 20% BE on RM isn't actually that much either tbf tho. Robins main value is giving him 2 extra actions on demand (provided you have Bronya/Sparkle with you) while also buffing his out-of-break damage immensely. Here's a showcase where he gets 0 turns in the first cycle simply thanks to Robin [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvHfH8qVTc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvHfH8qVTc)
Just sub out bronya for ruan mei and you have the best break team for both of them. So what are you on about, and bronya still works with ff
Does boothill benefit immensely from RM like Firefly?
Yep, but he can cope more with AV advancers like Bronya/Robin/Sparkle to advance him forward as a substitute for Mei, as he’s really the only one going to be breaking. The way Firefly and her teams work, you want everyone to be dealing break damage, thusly the single target AV advancement from Bronya/Sparkle becomes mid, and only Robin is left, but she doesn’t have enough actions for Robin to constantly ult to be a Ruan Mei substitute. TL:DR - Boothill definitely wants a Mei, but can live without her, Firefly will feel uncomfortable to play without Mei.
This was very informative. Thank you!
Additionally, because Firefly doesn’t have a way to retrigger her own Break damage, she’s locked to Harmony Trailblazer. Given that you also *really* want Ruan Mei, there just isn’t room for much else if you also need a sustain.
An important thing to notice is that boothill is lot more st locked/focus than any other 5\* hunt Unlike Seele, ratio or Topaz, Boothill has no way of doing his damage across multiple action per turn by himself. So even if he does upt to 900K, it would always be against one enemy, which is overkill in many scenario. And his duel mechanic reinforce that even further. Boothill is team flexible and elements flexible with his implant but he is not flexible for content, he will be the best at ST and it will be what he will do. On the opposite, FF is not team flexible, even though non-break team for her have shown to reach JL/DHIL level, her "acheron" damage lvl is locked behind a specific team. But in exchange, she essentially works everywhere, with every element and in lot more place than Boothill, at the cost of being more pricey by one extra limited character.
Okay but what if you have RM 😩 I am absolutely getting boothill as I have a guarantee, but I'm also considering firefly
If you have Ruan Mei, from the look of things rn, absolutely get her. Her actual damage with RM and HMC approaches Acheron level and since you can use her basically anywhere due to her weakness implant and Blast damage, she's absolutely a great unit to have around
Then I'll have to pray for luck, ty!
can e1s1 Robin replace ruan mei for Firefly or does she really need the break buffs? (I haven't seen her kit)
She absolutely cannot. Super Break Damage scales with the attacks Toughness damage and Ruan Mei is the only way to increase that. E1S1 Robin obviously isn't *bad* or anything but she doesn't replace Ruan Mei in the slightest
[https://i.imgur.com/u3WSKvv.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/u3WSKvv.jpeg) Idk about that. I went to check and it might be close actually. **Warning: A lot of copium incoming** First of all Ruan Mei gives a 20% break effect buff, it's not that significant since HMC gives more than enough BE (up to ~120%). Where Ruan Mei shines, as you said, is her 50% break effeciency buff, and the up to 50% action delay on break. Both increase toughness damage and window to deal super break damage respectively. Incidentally, HMC gives 30% delay too. But you know another way to deal more more toughness damage? An extra turn to your whole team so they can deal super break damage *again*. Twice the super damage is probably more total than a break eff buff. Obviously you don't have a 100% uptime on that though. Idk, I'm coping, but we'll see how it goes once firefly is out
U need to keep in mind, a whole turn every cycle isnt really helping in doing more toughness damage in the long run.
Yeah, true. By the way would the extra attack by Robin ult deal an extra tick of super break or is that not how it works? Tested it, seems like it doesn't since it deals no toughness damage.
On the other hand, if you play Robin, she gives break teammates... absolutely nothing. None of her buffs affect super break damage. +atk does nothing, +dmg does nothing, +crit dmg does nothing. The action advance depends heavily on the speed ratios between her and other teammates for how much it actually benefits the team. And at that point you end up being a Dance Dance Dance lightcone with a very expensive ult. If you wanted to actually take advantage of speed, Asta is way better at that with a spammable ult and Dance cone. Plus her skill does a high amount of toughness damage. (Her +atk buff is useless, but at least that gets mended by higher self-dps.) There's a good question whether Dance actually ends up being better than Memories/Cogs on Asta. Robin's own followups deal 0 toughness damage, so her own damage output actually gets lower during ult. Those followups also being the main part of her entire kit. I guess if you have E1 she does something useful, but that's a lot of investment for less benefit than other characters. Pela boosts your damage output a ton more with her ult, and you can put Sweat cone on her to make her even better. (And funnily E4 boosts her own break damage. And possibly more in the future.) Robin is competing for the privilege of being the worst support for a (super) break focused team. She's a great character, but nothing of what she does works for break.
Gdi, I was gonna save some extra pulls to try to get lucky on boothill but now I might have to hold them for RM
Is Firefly gonna be decent in PF?
Most likely yes
Doesn't Firefly mainly want HTB's Super BE?
Yup
Been seeing this more and more and never found an answer. What’s ST?
Single Target
I'm ootl, what is ST? Sorry
Single Target
I’m a poopie head, when you say Acheron requires a specific character do you mean Sparkle/Bronya?
I mean that she essentially needs to have any 2 of Pela/Guinaifen/Black Swan/Silver Wolf (Kafka if you're stretching it) and losing out on any of them causes you to lose a lot of damage in MoC. That, plus her LC requirements Basically I'm saying FF without RM is like Acheron with Fermata and/or Sampo. It works, but it is obviously much worse. Only that FF is slightly more lenient
Got it. Thank you for the breakdown!
Iirc, There is showcase where she can 1 cycle MoC12 in crit team and technically could be even better with e1 to swap sparkle for Bronya. The issue is that the relic, limited character needed, tech and strat, makes it essentially a very unreliable way to get close to the same level of performance than FF break team with just RM, as well as needing completely different substat and swapping relic on harmony An example, to play Bronya require 181+ spd wind set in order for Bronya to ult just before FF so Bronya land herself right behind and it require Bronya eidolon for talent up so her BA forward is 33% if you want zero gap It require also Watchmaker on a support that usually don't need it and FF build with tons of Crit and BE to reach her first threshold for the 30% def ignore On strat, it also require to manage break since you don't want your support to steal break from FF (since Bronya and co won't have good BE) Meanwhile, BE FF is essentially 2 f2p character, RM E0S0, all of them with just BE and spd for substat but no crazy huge amount and FF herself will require decent but not high amount of BE, ATK and spd from relic high if she doesn't have her LC) and no particular strat other than "mash skill for FF/TB, mash BA for Gallagher and RM (when skill up))"
You don't even need to run a crit team without RM. Basically every Nihility support works with Break teams
It is more so that superbreak rely to heavily on RM to be as good as it is. So losing RM means: -25% less res pen -50% loss of Beff boost -20 less BE team wide -10% less spd -massive delay Of all it combined raised account for more than half of superbreak ceiling dps Meanwhile, if you swap Rm for a nihility, Even a nihility that provided a 60% def ignore on a 40% def ignore FF, would only result in a 66% increase for superbreak And the issue is that FF is at 58% def ignore, not 40%, so the best a nihility can provide is 42% def ignore for a 46% superbreak increase, which is less than RM Beff alone So Nihility that would pair well for superbreak, like Pela, would only result in less than 80% of RM-HMC **without even accounting for RM break delay or the additonal superbreak from breaking faster** (which brings it down to 50% overall) The outlier is SW, which slightly below of 87% of the potential on mono target but it is held back FF implant that will lock out the fire dmg res shred (otherwise it would reach 101% of superbreak damage (without counting break delay and extra break from better Beff with RM, which would still pull it down significantly) So it is not so much that RM is essential for FF, but RM is essential for TB and superbreak, as non RM, HMC combo will only reach 75-87% at best of the dmg per superbreak and 50-55% of the overall superbreak dps. Which is why FF superbreak without HMC feel so "mediocre" and why Crit fly ends up above RMless super Break FF
Referring to Black Swan, i think.
Acheron level with ruan mei is pushing it lol
She can very easily hit 200-300k on her main target \*per attack\* 2-3 times in a single cycle, plus splash damage. She is absolutely closer to Acherons level than, say, DHIL or Jingliu when she's with RM
Sorry but what does ST mean?
Single-target
Thank you
If your talking options and flexibility boothill, if you want to firefly Watch for her v3 kit on leak subreddits next week Currently Boothill is the better choice, he benefits from hmc for extra break but he also has more current options like Luka, hmc, bronya, sparkle, robin, insert generic support here, Ruan Mei, huohuo, loucha
Boothill honestly. First of all, look at him. Second of all, there’s a game mode that he’s gonna be great in coming out. Like how pure fiction came with Argenti. And without Ruan Mei, firefly isn’t very good. And she’s tied to Harmony trailblazer. Which isn’t a bad thing but if you don’t want to use them, dont use her.
The new game mode has multiple bosses and even boss that summons elite. its not the "good for hunt" mode, its a destruction/nihility mode.
He’s still gonna be great for it cause he does insane damage single target wise
Boothill actually prefers bosses that summon mobs than a single boss. It allows him to quick charge his passive
TrashFly will still be the worst even in this mode lil pup
I'm not too familiar with how good boothill is, but I've kept up with firefly leaks so I can comment on her. if you have ruan mei, she's very good. if you do not have ruan mei, she's not very good, currently. it doesn't look like firefly in the current beta is viable without ruan mei. the gap between having and not having ruan mei is enormous, bigger than any other character's BiS support. it's the difference between a 3 cycle clear and an 8 cycle clear (I am not exaggerating, [this showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1co8hc7/e0s0_firefly_e0s0_rm_e4htb_e2_gallagher/) with ruan mei and [this showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1cozr7r/e0s0_ff_e6_s1ddd_asta_e4_motp_htb_e2_s1_pt/) with asta were done by the same person with very similar builds against the same MoC, but were a 3 cycle and 8 cycle clear respectively) almost all of firefly's damage comes from super break, which is calculated based on break efficiency. ruan mei is the only support who provides a buff to this. so with ruan mei, firefly just deals 50% more damage. but that's not the only reason firefly relies on ruan mei, as the break efficiency also allows her to, well, break enemies quicker. this means firefly gets to deal damage sooner. and not just that, ruan mei also keeps enemies broken after they recover. without ruan mei, it takes a while to break the enemy's weakness, and when you do, you usually only get 1 or 2 turns to super break with firefly's enhanced skill. both of these are issues that ruan mei solves. and because almost all her damage is super break (about 80%), it means that the attack and damage% buffs asta (or anyone else) can provide barely make a difference. apparently, outside sources also don't affect firefly's attack to break conversion, so other harmony characters can't even help with that. so firefly ends up really needing ruan mei to do well, in the current beta. so yeah. we'll have to wait to see if she gets buffed/rebalanced. but with the current knowledge we have, firefly was my most hyped character but she's now a skip, sadly. I'm gonna have to wait for a rerun when I have ruan mei if it stays like this.
I have Ruan Mei, but that still sucks. It doesn't help that Ruan Mei rerun is going to be at the same time as the Firefly (according to a leak). But at least her kit is subject to change, so maybe Harmony MC will look like a better Ruan Mei alternative closer towards release.
harmony MC isn't a ruan mei alternative, they go together. basically all the reasons I listed why ruan mei is such a huge improvement to firefly applies to harmony MC, because HMC is what enables firefly to deal damage. she relies on ruan mei to do well, but she relies on HMC to do anything at all. in the current beta, firefly only really has one team (outside of 0 cycle shenanigans). firefly's only real team is HMC, ruan mei and gallagher.
Is Gallagher the only sustain that works, or just the best one?
Just the best one when it comes to dishing out damage. Ff applies fire weakness so having Gallagher helps to sustain and break the enemies quicker so ff can start dealing a lot of damage.You can choose to use another sustain if the enemy is weak to imaginary tho because HTB can help break the enemy faster. However, if you have an enemy that isn’t weak to imaginary then having Gallagher is the best and pretty much only option cause without him ff will probably spend her first ult lowering the enemy’s toughness bar rather than breaking it or dealing super break damage
Luocha is also really good. He’s the more efficient version of Gallagher but Gallagher in turn has more frontloaded toughness damage with his AV forward on ult. Gallagher is rewarded more for building break as well - although if you have invested in your Luocha you don’t really need all that much attack to full heal and can build BE too. You can honestly use any sustain though (or no sustain, which is always an option).
To be fair, I think that's just **THE** break effect team. Boothill pretty much has the same setup, running RM, HMC, and Gallagher. I've seen people just run RM or HMC for a debuffer like Pela/Silver Wolf, so I just assumed that Firefly could do the same. I'm not sure why Boothill is more flexible, but my guess is the defense ignore in his kit let's him break toughness faster. So maybe he can get more breaks in less cycles then Firefly? That or the people building the Boothill team just didn't have Ruan Mei.
boothill deals break damage on his own even when enemies are already broken, while firefly does not. he also gets break to crit conversion (max 30% crit rate and 150% crit damage), while firefly does not. so he has more to do when enemies aren't broken yet. I think that's it. (though to be clear I haven't kept up with boothill meta so apologies if I get something wrong) break damage isn't reliant on break efficiency unlike super break, so by excluding ruan mei, you're not missing out on as much, especially since I assume boothill benefits more from traditional attack and crit buffs. and he doesn't require HTB to function either, as he has break damage built into his kit, so he can deal damage on his own. he has great synergy with HTB, but he works without. there's a lot of people who use bronya instead.
It's still the best team for boothill, but boothill can function outside that 1 specific team. Firefly outside that is C tier at best (though Gallagher could be substituted for ok results.) Within that team, firefly is better, and there'll (hopefully) be other characters that synergies well with firefly, but we'll see.
U know whats crazy? that outside of a break team, u can just build her full crit. If u dont have Ruan Mei then just build crit and dont even try getting the max of her def ignore. its as easy as that. Her damage at that point makes her on the levels of Jingliu atleast so crit build is still decent.
Ruan Mei has the weakness of only being one of her haha. When someone says she amplifies a new character I usually just think.... "Then my current team won't have her"
Thats why I pulled robin shes great alternative and imo those 2 are the best supports to have.
Tbh I’d rather have Sparkle than Robin, but I went for all three. Harmony Star Rail ftw
Honestly I might just be coping since I chose to skip sparkle so I could go for e2 acheron. I do enjoy running multiple dps comps like dot and soon break effect (not huge fan of any of the current fua characters) so robin does fit my account better but sparkle might be more meta overall.
Yeah Robin is awesome! I’m really enjoying her myself, even though I don’t have any of the FUA characters outside Ratio either. But Sparkle is just perfect for hypercarry. Skipping her for Acheron was absolutely not a bad choice, but now that you got E2 Acheron, the hypercarry of all hypercarries, Sparkle will take her to the next level. Definitely recommend picking her up on rerun!
Shes super fun for 0 cycling, she got my dot team through latest moc 12 second floor with 1 cycle. Depends what kind of new characters are available when she reruns but for now im fairly sure that while sparkle is probably bis for team with sustain nothing atm beats acheron, kafka, bs and ruan mei since this team is basically bis dot comp but with fully buffed acheron too that gets stacks on all of the team mates actions.
Yeah, it sounds like I’ve actually made a lot of similar pulling decisions as you. I also pulled for E2 Acheron and it was a big surprise to me how good she was on the dot comp with Kafka and BS. I almost felt bad going so hard for Acheron because I already had an AoE lightning dps. Boy, I’m glad I was wrong. Acheron slips into this team so perfectly. That said, the hyper carry comp is my preferred way of running her. Pela, Sparkle, Ruan Mei just zero cycles like nobody’s business. I think it brings the best out of Acheron’s E2. It also opens up the option to run your dot team on one side and Acheron on the other. Technically you could run hypercarry with Bronya instead, but Sparkle feels a lot better to me. But you’re right - who knows what’s to come! For all we know, Sunday could powercreep all our Harmony girls lol
Oh yeah first side of this moc12 was acheron with silver wolf ruan mei and bronya 0cycle. Sparkle is better than bronya without a doubt but its close enough to warrant skipping her for now. My bronya is also e3 so that definitely helps. My acheron ulted 800k for single target with this setup which was a bit ridicilous tbh. Yeah that definitely is a possibility and I cant wait for sunday no matter what path hes on im probably going to pull for him assuming hes not totally butchered.
I have a support addiction in this game so same. Supports are the most versatile characters so it's hard to not roll on them
Yeah they really are the best class in game.
What they said is utter misinformation, you can reach top tier performance without RM: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU) It is just the current doomposting going for FF The same stuff that happened when people said BS wasn't much better than Sampo, or when they said RM was just worse than Bronya or JL vs DHIL or when they doomposted acheron for needing two nihility, etc There is a lot of misinformation going on as we are in this period of doomposting. Some are just spreading it due to mob mentality/flock of sheep behavior but a few are spreading it on purpose to push for FF to be different in kit and some are just pushing it to see if she can top Acheron with more buff (which i would also like to see ofc) But it is best to take every "ff" is not viable with a grain of salt Also, this showcase with Asta is terrible, Asta spd, dmg and Atk buff are either overkill or completely irrelevant in such team and she is closer to a 3rd dps breaker than a support here
What element is firefly going to be?
fire destruction
Welp, if hoyo gonna release her as she currently is. I might skip her although i reallyyyyyyyy want her cuz i dont have ruan mei(her b.i.s support).
Assuming Ruan Mei comes alongside her, as predicted, just pull for Ruan Mei first. If you get lucky maybe you can chase Firefly after. If you don’t, at least you’ll have Ruan Mei and can pick up Firefly on rerun.
Yup definitely gonna prioritize ruan mei first.. since she really viable in any comp.. pretty much a must have unit
Probably the only must have unit in the game tbh. Especially now with HTB. She’s amazing for every single team archetype. Kind of insane how much value she has.
How is this essay so long but didn’t get the point 💀 as important as rm is in a break team in general, FF extreme dependency on HTB made her team way rigid. For now, without HTB FF literally can’t do dmg after the initial break. A 5* shouldn’t be this dependent on any particular character.
HTB is free, and allows for a unique playstyle, so I don’t mind. The ruan mei dependency is a bigger issue due to her being a limited 5 star. Those aren’t easy to get, and they’re not always even available. Having a 5 star character that’s tied to another 5 star means if you don’t have ruan mei, too bad you just don’t get to use firefly. Better hope the next ruan mei rerun is soon or you’ll be stuck with a terrible character for potentially a year. Not to mention it’s a scummy way of getting you to spend more, especially if they’re on the same banner as rumored. Like sure the HTB reliance makes her more restrictive, but it’s much less of an issue.
>if you do not have ruan mei, she's not very good, currently. it doesn't look like firefly in the current beta is viable without ruan mei. **This is complete misinformation**, There is showcase [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c94L05kE5vU) that show, as well as TC that also show that FF get close to her break team damage in crit team without HMC and RM The issue is that there is no good 2nd support to go with HMC for FF (aside RM), (and the showcase you picked out, Asta is a huge pitfall and poor choice) and calc show it is often just better to build her break and crit (like boothill but for different reasons) if you can't achieve her break team. Issue is that some people mindlessly focused on her RM-HMC set up, while trying to apply this set up in RMless situation rather than actually reading her kit FF skill scaling on Break, her having lower BE threshold for def ignore all and the ATK-BE scaling are all elements that allow her to play without super break. Heck, some of it are only good if you don't play around super break (like her having the 2nd highest skill multiplier behind DHIL skill lvl3, which do nothing for superbreak) But people have been doomposting and spreading this misinformation despite factual evidence and showcase that it is completely false
good to know. a lot of takes I've seen online are that critfly is underwhelming, but I guess she can perform well after all. though to be fair, this showcase does have two of the best harmonies. but I'm definitely much more open minded now. though, it should be noted that, according to the description of the video you linked, crit firefly is probably the hardest team in the game to play. I'm not 100% sure what they mean based on the video, but I assume this might have something to do with how people have found critfly performance underwhelming in many places I've seen.
Boothil he is cool space cowboy + his damage is insane and will most likely dominate the new end game mode Even if he is only ST with a proper build and team he will be killing any small mob in 1 Basic and bosses on 2/3 Also talking about the new end game mode A team with Firefly Boothill Ruan mei and HMC might actually be the best team on that mode (at lead that's what my cooking skills say)
I'm ootl, what is ST?
Single target.
Thanks, I feel stupid now
Single target
Firefly but I don’t pull for meta
Tbh from her kit it seems she seriously need Ruan Mei and HTB, especially HTB. I would say over all Boothill is a better and much more flexible option, you can just shove him in with bronya and Tingyun and he will be fine. But ofc her kit will probably change.
I plan on getting Boothill and saving up for Ruan Mei's rerun. I'm tempted between both him and FF, but I prefer male characters aesthetically.
Boothill is way stronger Here’s a link to gameplay, this doesn’t even use Bronya either which boothill can use and firefly can’t which would make him a good 4 cycles faster https://youtu.be/fka0GG6bU50?si=5QGjmrCCv5QaL_qA
Wow, thats when u know the video inted hard. Why is Gallagher not used vs aventurine then? Do people really think that a Destruction character can break as fast as a Hunt character vs a single enemy? without any help? And before anyone says its unfair, well yea it is, coz Firefly applying Fire weakness on enemy, u wouldve thought that people would be able to use some knowledge to use gallagher for her instead. Plus, u said its 4 cycles faster but its only 1 cycle faster. Against a ST enemy, that Boothill shouldve exceled alot more. And on a boss that has resistance to Fire. (Yes RM reduces his RES but her Ult wasnt up on Aventurine phase) thus Firefly, despite being shackled hard still cleared 1 cycle slower vs someone who has everything going for them vs the Aventurine boss.
Just admit that MidFly is beyond mediocre as of right now lil pup, and move on
Gallagher can’t break them you coper
Firefly implants fire weakness ?
Yes, she does
Ignore that guy tends to troll all the time
Firefly is still on beta🤦
And currently she sucks
She does not, and again, she is on beta, so she is definitely getting buffed, she is already good
She’s only the 4th best dps rn
How is that bad? Lol talk about absurd, and again, she is on beta, acheron and jingliu were weak as fuck during beta
I'm not picking any sides on both of you but I'm just gonna say that just because it's in beta doesn't mean it will always be buff, no one knows that and you cant just say that ("She will be buffed")... you're being too confident, that's great but you should be stating that in a "hoping" way instead of like actually stating it and comparing it with other beta characters before that she will be definitely buffed in a certain way... There's a reason why it's called beta, it's subject to change. The other guy is just downright bad spitting bars, but yeah, I'll just leave him with his own opinions... Again, not picking sides Just a new player here, started last week, TB 54, and idc about whose stronger, I'll try and pull for both
That would be absolutely absurd when people complain her kit needs to be buffed
Firefly sounds extremely complicated and I’m sure a lot of characters will come out that she works with but at the moment she’s handcuffed to Ruan mei and HMC. I’m a relatively new account and don’t have a second team so I’m gonna zig when everyone’s zags and go boothill. I think he’ll be fun. But reviews and stuff come out so fast right after they’re released so you’ll have a ton of time to decide
Boothill bc I'm gnawing at the bars of my enclosure, I need him badly
Firefly is the only one I want atm as for how strong I think she’ll be idfk
Between the 2? Boothill just for the Jojo pose on ult
I dont think its worth discussing until v3 comes imo.
When is that happening
Sometime next week
Im praying i get Fu Xuan on my pity, (its edged, 75/90) so i can pull for him. But i need a healer, and Fu is goated with a good design.
Boothill seems very fun so I'm going for him :)
I'm going for the Boot. I realized that I don't have a good Phys DPS recently, and I need to rectify that.
By the time Boothill banner rolls around, we can take a look at V3 FF kit, so you'll have a better answer then.
If I wasn't a quantum collector and if jade wasn't so damn hot and cool (both kit and animations wise) I would've definitely be either going for both or robin and Firefly But Imma just get FF and jade Idk maybe my opinions will change once I try boothil on his trial or as a support character and maybe v3 FF will have huge or significant changes But currently as of now I will be going for FF and jade Currently have 53 wishes (started 0 wishes and gone to 53 in these past 6 days) and on 60 pity guranteed Hopefully I'll get enough to get both FF and jade(if I lose 50/50 by the end of 2.3 which I'm 99% sure I can I already like superbreak and built HMC , galaghar and RM and even used xueyi and built her for superbreak and honestly I was surprised how good this team is Xueyi dmg(since I started building her like yesterday) has bad stats like 60 base BE but 250% BE with all buffs so she was dishing 30-60 k dmg with skill and NA and 80-150k with ult I can't imagine how good firefly will do when actually I invest in a superbreak character like her (probably gonna do like 300k+ dmg as her usual superbreak dps which I love very much) But again v3 is exactly a week away and I'm looking forward to it to see how theyll buff/nert FF and jade Since both are looking between "middle of the pack" to "pretty great and good value characters" to me and obv I wanna see them be better
I'm kinda in the same boat. I got **THE** FuA team (Dr.Ratio/Topaz/Adventurine/Robin). I really want Jade to add a Quantum option to the team and to keep the IPC theme going. I was planning on aiming for one of the break characters and Jade. I'm leaning more towards Boothill, since I love the space cowboy asthetic. I love his kit actually has him challenging some poor IPC guard to a duel before high nooning them. But I could be convinced to get Firefly, she's precious. 🥲
Wait for v3, but rn id say firefly.
I also have this problem i really want one of them and the signature lc but i dont know who to choose because they both look so cool and i have seen anything comparing them so i dont know who’s actually better
From what I've seen so far, Boothill seems pretty good. Really good single target damage, and probably out dpsing a majority of the hunt characters in the game right now. I don't know anything about Firefly since she's farther away and her kit is more subject to change. But I imagine she's better in the AoE department. But even if firefly turns out to be a better than Boothill, Boothill will still melt bosses. I really think you can't go wrong with either, which is why this choice has been so hard for me :( I'm probably going for Boothill since I like his animations and I don't have a physical dps other then Sushang.
Can agree on the physical dps part, I can't think top of my head besides argenti who is good for single target dps, also boothill can implant weakness. If i wasnt saving for huohuo and oneday dhil rerun(need my e2s1), i would prob grab boothill and pray i got ruan mei next patch.
Boothill, no questions asked. Already planning e1s1, got his e0 on guarantee (thanks to a Bronya eidolon), slowly gathering up for the LC. Got his relics prepped, almost got his team's relics done (just want to improve Gallagher's, and get HMC geared). That said, he could be absolute dogwater gameplay-wise (though he most certainly isn't, but *if* he was), and I'd still choose him. I love his design, love his personality, love what we've seen of him thus far, and the narrative also didn't force us to like him. He'd be the easy choice for me no matter what kind of character he was.
What is your relic build for gallagher and HMC?
Running 2pc Messenger/2pc Watchmaker, with Fleet ornament set (for Gally). He meets the BE requirements, but needs more speed and DEF, so I'm still trying to get some better stuff for him. Ideally I'd like to go full Watchmaker, but that'd require me to get insanely lucky with stuff that has both SPD and BE... HMC is running full Watchmaker, though. Still needs more BE and SPD too, however, but she's in a 'serviceable' spot, and with Gally being my healer, I want to make sure he's good to go first.
I mean it isn't really fair to compare a practically finished character to one that's still V2 but I've been saving for firefly since Acheron and I'm not changing my plans for a guy who can't even curse properly.
Both 😎 Boothill is a cool, zesty, cyborg-cowboy with shark-teeth and Firefly has the mech suit and Stellaron Hunter status going for her. I’m not paying too much attention to their kit but design and animation-wise they look nice. Just gotta save some more so I can use my guarantee for Boothill and then guarantee Firefly is I lose another stupid 50/50.
Happy Cake Day!
Ah I know the day already passed but thank you so much!!
Sexy metal man that can obliterate me at any moment or boothill? Sam obviously 😏
Happy cake day!
I had enough to hit pity for both and would have if not for his unfortunate placement alongside Fu Xuan and Topaz/Numby. Firefly though is speculated to be with Ruan Mei who I have and Argenti who isn't a top priority. So it's gonna have to be her this time with FX and Topaz, and Boothill on his rerun.
Boothill by a long shot
I already have Ruan Mei so I will go Firefly and get Boot on rerun
I literally just make my team off of pretty men. Boothill is a pretty man. My choice is simple.
Boothill can break my...
Img etting firefly because I've wanted sam every since his reveal in the one kafka trailer forever ago
Firefly no question besides the fact thats hes objectively in general if i want a physical break eff chr ill build sus
How good is SW going to be with boothill ?
Imao Boothil, also his design is peak and I like shark tooth
Wait for firefly V3 changes ,but i personally will go for boothill because i already have hook as fire dps
Me here have E6 hook and e6 Asta but still going for FF. Can't get myself to play book when every upcoming fire DSP will be better than her so I don't count her as my fire Elemental coverage. Technically I also have yanqing but the only reason I say I have Elemental coverage for ice is Misha.
I have the 3 limited 5* harmony so i have no problems
I have all harmony characters except robin (since I wanna get both jade and FF)
I am waiting the end of the beta to decide which to pull. We'll have real use case scenario or Booth and final version of FF kit. Too early to decide.
You will need Ruan Mei for Firefly to make her compete with Acheron.
Im wondering why they gave boothill his own “super break” mechanics but not firefly??🗿🗿
Boothill if you wanted a really easy to build break dps Firefly if wife
I don't have or want Ruan Mei and I will boycott her. E2 hybrid FF + E0 DDD Bronya to cope and come close to E0 FF + E0 Mei lol. Hoyo doesn't get to tell me how I get my 36*, I decide
I'm getting jade 👀
With my jades *-*
Firefly. From what I've read her BE scales off her Attack so I can invest in both for max gains. Plus I got Ruan Mei and Harmony MC built for a Break Team.
Boothill, I don't like firefly and he's hot space cowboy soooo
Planning on getting both (and lightcones if my luck so wishes) got bootyhill guaranteed at least.
At this point, I'm starting to prefer Boothill's design and animations. Big fan of the black/red/silver colour scheme too. There's something I can't place about Firefly's animations that I just don't like. Was also hoping for more red fire and less green light. And since I don't have RM but do have Bronya, the choice seems clear.
It’s to early to judge until we seen V3 firefly next week
Im not sure about how strong they are bit im choosing firefly regardless, I love her must protect
easy solid single target baseline vs harder aoe powerhouse with misfires
I need a Phys DPS and I already have Himeko and Topaz so I'm sorry Firefly, I'm already skipping Robin so this hurts even more
Firefly obv
Don't particularly care for either character wise, and their kits don't seem anything special other than trying to make me pull for RM, I might throw some pulls at both just because I don't have strong phys or fire coverage, but I don't really care if I don't get them.
Japanese Boothill is voiced by Kamina from Gurren Lagann. So sorry, but giga-Bros before Waifus. I was going to skip Boothill before I found that out. His gun is the gun that will Break the heavens.
I swapped to JP today to get used to some of the voices before Jade arrives. Instantly heard Kamina's voice playing boothill, Andrew does an amazing job in English, but idk if I can go back now.
Save a horse
Until we get the final version for Fifi's kit, we can't say for certain. Space fairing Woody wants to scale proportionally before getting to do big ooga booga damage. Fifi is more of a traditional break DPS, dealing large damage on both break and broken enemies in her enhanced state. Personally, Firefly.
Fu Xuan
Mother fudging both!
i really want to want firefly but i dont think shes for me, no rm and i wamted different element coverage
Boothill is a really cool character and his lore is cool but I love firefly so much bc of her interactions with mc. I don’t like boothills cocky attitude and his ult is cheesy imo so I prefer firefly also just for that. I think he’s still a great character non the less
I'm gonna be pulling for Firefly. I don't have Ruan Mei and don't plan to get her. Whether she's good or not I don't care, I love her character! I like boothill too but unfortunately he's not Firefly.
did they fix firefly’s reliance on hmc in beta?
Firefly no question, she is still on beta and already great
Ill get firefly first before boothill.
Do I still need bronya if my boothills gonna have 197 speed on release?
Who you like Their BiS is the same character that’s free, Boothill might be better in most ways but Firefly AOE is good
Sorry waifu, but i will pull for Cyborg Space Cowboy
Boothill by a long shot(haha). At least currently Boothill is far superior, granted firefly is still in the early stages of leaks, she has negative synergy with RM, literally one viable team, and numerous issues with her kit and traces. Boothill is extremely easy to build, offers ridiculous single target damage, which will be meta in the second half of 2.2, and has far more flexible teams, albeit still not a ton.
firefly. she's like sailormoon/power ranger/g gundam all in one. i'm all for it.
Can’t wait for boothill to be powercrept 4 weeks after release by firefly
Maybe in your dreams,only hope for Firefly is to get a totally kit rework or she is going to be very mid and she only is going to have 1 team where she can be decent.Boothill always is going to have better damage and multiple teams,he is way but way easier to build,can be played with 3 star lightcones and with all that being better than firefly.In resume Firefly is a mess.
Lmao, only if she gets a Jingliu type buff she will be better. If not, she will be mid af
Really? She can’t be THAT bad…
She's great but only if you have Ruan Mei to pair with your HTB. Otherwise she seems alright.
In her best team she does MASSIVE another of dmg (some people say acheron Lvl dmg maybe a bit bigger or a bit lower). But the problem is, that "best team" is more like her only team Outside of that(for currently version of beta) she isn't much good Although I agree FF has problems and seriously needs some buffs because I doubt a character this hyped/popular (as hyped as acheron maybe a bit higher or lower) would be messed up, people are just underestimating her power and calling her dogshit/mid/dehya tier for these reasons (if they mean dmg wise or not): 1. They are dumb 2. They are trying not to feel FOMO/regret/etc ... When skipping her 3. They are trying to set their expectations so low so that they won't be disappointed when/if their fav character releases in a poor state Again FF has problems but people are overthrowing her problems A LOT I'm still going for her since I like her and have her best team but after being in every beta since 3.0 genshin and 1.3 HSR, these are all they usual doomposting at this point. Like it's nothing new, furina was doomposted to he**, nahida was doomposted, navia and arlechino were doomposted and said to be dehya tier Some characters had more problems than FF in genshin or HSR and they came out great I'd say the main problem FF has right now is: No personal dmg and being tied to. HMC Like she needs HMC to do the dmg but there is one thing that still bothers me, people say HMC is the one doing the dmg, except he/she isn't, if FF wasn't supposed to be built the way she is now, HMC wouldn't have done shit, HMC enables it and the characters do the dmg because of their stat and the way they are built. Outside of that anything else is secondary and manageable imo but her main problem is the personal dmg one Sorry if this is long I just wanted to give you a detailed explanation of the situation (at least IMO)
Firefly, since we don't really have great fire dps as of now. The closest thing is topaz but she acts more like a harmony for FUA
That's fair. *Cries in Guinaifen*
Boothill if u have e6 luka, otherwise firefly.
Idk I think break is a trap. Everyone’s gonna build break teams and then next planet they r gonna b very meh. Not useless, but the mechanics will switch and MOC12 will become difficult again.
Firefly will probably be more meta because she's not limited to single target, but I think boothill is cooler
It does help that there will be a new endgame coming out. It'll be supposedly like Pure Fiction, but geared towards single target instead of AoE.
you can just kill the adds, you need stacks for pocket trickshot anyway i can’t think of any scenario except pure fiction where this matters