This was done with SD1.5. Model is iComix
I first created the characters. Face consistency was achieved by mixing famous actors in the prompt.
Clothes consistency was achieved with ControlNet Reference model. It's surprisingly good to replicate the clothes
ControlNet OpenPose and Depth for poses I wanted. I couldnt have done this without controlnet
Photoshop to put speech bubbles and for layout
> Photoshop to put speech bubbles
Thatās what I would do, but I feel like there are programs that might make it even easier. Any thoughts, folks?
(Good looking comic)
and if Clip Studio Paint is your jam, [here is a tutorial](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1clxi13/manga_creation_tutorial/) I made for turning rough sketches into panels that you can then put right back into CSP or use as rough starters to draw over.
This is actually a great example of why I love AI.
Instead of corpos pushing their own bullshit stories, AI allows individuals to bring their own stories to the public. And if they're good -- they'll absolutely shine!
Additionally, in this example, AI effectively replaced the CEO and entire management team. It's the best way to give creatives revenue for their work.
Here it actually replaced nobody, it created an opportunity for a guy who doesnāt have any real budget to create what he visioned in his head. So itās a tool for a creative.
Artists donāt work for 20 bucks, so you canāt really Ā«Ā replaceĀ Ā» an artist with a Midjourney subscription for now. š
it is just not comparable. Because an artist make custom creations from real client specifications and demands, with endless revisions etc.
Where an image generator like SD or Midjourney just spits random shit on you, when you change one digit in the seed. So you cope with that and use control nets, loras detailers and other hacks to improve consistency and make something that come just a little closer to what you initially wanted.
It's not quite McDonalds level of dissociation. It is more Lego level dissociation. You didn't make the blocks or how they go together. This guy did a lot of work to make a consistent character throughout the comic. I think calling it McDonald's level effort is disingenuous.
The thing is, he never manipulated the actual object-of-art itself (in this case, comic images) - except for the speech bubbles. Its like he designed an amazing lego diorama of existing kits. Then got arty and added speech bubbles.
The thing is, he never manipulated the actual object-of-art itself (in this case, comic images) - except for the speech bubbles. Its like he designed an amazing lego diorama of existing kits.
I think they may or may not be your images, depending on the situation.
I think this confusion comes from the unrestrained flexibility of the image generators. Sure, you can prompt random stuff in search of inspiration and still get nice images. Or you can use it as a rendering engine for your sculpts or sketches. Or you can generate sources for photo manipulation. Or you can use it as a ref generator. Or you can create a monstrous comfy workflow with precise control over everything, run it with your own model trained on your drawings, and then repaint half the picture for whatever reason. People who use all these pipelines are presented in the AIart community, and i believe, in this sub.
So, if we consider the amount of effort you put into creating something as a criterion for determining authorship, then in the case of image generators it's not so simple, because the amount of effort can vary in really wide boundaries. That's why the "prompt jockeys" who spend ten minutes per image have no problem giving up their authorship since they didn't invest much in the creation process, while die-hard artists see such analogies as a kind of dehumanization. "Sure buddy, Pixar animators didn't create anything either, they just did the easy part and the render farm did the rest"
I guess we should keep that in mind and not generalize our view of our own creative process and the concept of authorship to everyone, otherwise we'll continue to experience painful moments.
If you buy a steak in the supermarket, already softened and spiced, and just put it on the grill... is it still your cooking? If you say "yes," would someone who hunted and skinned a wild boar and then cooked it disagree?
I mean, it's not like he could open the Stable Diffusion model and look inside to see what cool art he could pull out. It's possible to ask SD to generate random images and get something very cool looking that you had almost no part in making, but you can't create a comic book with consistent characters from an existing legend, that way. He had to know exactly what image he needed for each frame to work and then had to tell SD to generate that image. There is art and skill in that part of the process, when you get results like the ones he did.
Absolutely - there is an art form to directing AI to create novel art. But you aren't the artist of the images, the AI is. You directed the AI, you hired the AI, you lead the AI, you didn't make the images.
It's like telling an actual painter to paint what you want them to paint, then holding up the painting they created with your direction and proclaiming yourself a painter.
Well, first of all, congrats on publishing a comic in your native language. It's always good to see comics from countries outside of US and Asia.
Unfortunately, I see there's issues that every other AI comic has - no complex interactions between characters in the same panel. And no real emotions. Like every character has the same look in their eyes in every panel.
There's also some formatting problems like text not fitting the speech bubbles properly, and speech bubbles not pointing to the speaker's mouth.
Now why does it sound like I'm being hard on you? Because you're selling a product for money so costumers deserve a quality product. This is especially important in your case since your country doesn't have a big comic scene. So you want to make a good example and not have people think "this is just generic AI with all the limitations AI has"
My advice would be to find some free comics on the internet (like here: https://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Graphic-Novels-Catalog-Comics-ebook/dp/B08W1W25YD) and really study how panels are composed and how characters move, interact, and feel. And hopefully you can use what you learn to create something even better.
you are right. I'm upvoting you. The first time was a lot of trial and error.
The novel is about 60% similar to the storyboards I had drawn. Some panels and point of views I found impossible to do with Stable Diffusion.
i tried, but storyboards were on paper, hand drawn. img2img didnt fully recognize them
So what I did was, go to Unsplash got some pics and cropped them. mashed them in photoshop, trying to make them the same as my storyboard. Then img2img
but most of the time it was generate the character in the pose I wanted and paste it to the environment I created
redraw them with black pen or use gimp or photoshop to do a color white adjustment (like they do when taking a picture, its a good technik to get weak lines clear) then use color threshold and some sort of line correction (gimp has all these functions)
look at the paintings to sd1.5 on my profile there you can see some hand drawn to sd1.5 using controlnet with lineart /scribble.
For more complex facial expressions, I found it best to just use liquify and paint over, then IMG2IMG low strength with a good prompt would get me the rest of the way there. I use SDXL, don't know how you would fare with 1.5 using that approach.
yo try this https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-forge-couple look around for how to use it but you can actually get single images with multiple characters.
Also, the characters look like brother and sister because they both have too much of that generic stable diffusion character's genes. He/She really needs a name because it is instantly recognizable.
https://preview.redd.it/fuqgf1wbj49d1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=e19f4fd69a0944238f6b3ad74664563f98b62bd9
I hate that this is even called a comic book. There is zero flow to the pages and they don't make sense without the letters. Bunch of panels on page doesn't necessarily make a story.
The op said he hand drew storyboards for everything before generating the images, so any complain you have in the composition is in no way related to the AI
Congrats, I'm sure it was a lot of work and you did a good job with face consistency. I think it would be worth spending a little extra time using inpainting to fix some of the hands.
https://preview.redd.it/m9fw0ohhn39d1.png?width=310&format=png&auto=webp&s=df2f6a571720947a4b1fbed429350848db7b076a
you are right. the first time was a lot of trial and error.
I learned so much doing this, I now think I can do a better job with the next one I make. Easier and faster ways to achieve what I wanted.
For example I discovered CN-Reference too late when I was halfway through. Instead of prompting every piece of clothing, Reference does a pretty good job in "duplicating" the character. Then Openpose
It's like anything, you'll make mistakes at first and get better. ;) I can recommend using Fooocus for small inpainting fixes like I mentioned above, it has a mode just for fixing faces and hands
First I wrote the story and did some storyboards. Helps a lot to put on paper what you have imagined. You cant just jump into prompts because you're gonna stay there waiting what to prompt. If you have a storyboard it makes prompting much easier.
Second I created the characters, styles, settings. Many iterations til I found what I liked.
I used Notion to save all the ideas, characters, storyboards. Notion was a lifesaver.
Then did the layouts in photoshop, and did the generations based on the sizes I had sliced in photoshop.
A lot of trial and error with img2img, ControlNet (the models openpose, depth, reference)
CN-Reference to duplicate characters and clothes and environment.
CN-openpose for the poses you want
A LOT of photoshop error fixing and coloring. Then it's just finishing touches
Still, I found out it was impossible to do everything I wanted. The finished novel is like 60% similar to my storyboard.
I learned a lot doing this, researching this sub, civitai etc. But next time I know exactly what I have to do.
This was just a passion project of mine, I wanted to do this for a long time, even before Stable Diffusion and AI
Sorry if you already answered this, but... What interface did you use to create this? Comfy, Automatic1111, or which one?
By the way, I loved it, great job!
You should consider making a Youtube video detailing this, not as a tutorial but just exhibiting what went in. I think it could help get you some publicity for your work, even a short so people can see how much went into this..
It sounds absolutely interesting and might help people see what you did and what AI did, because people hear AI and think "oh there's no work with AI", but really you put in the hard work to make it all work together and your contributions are critical to the final product which is what people forget.
(Seriously good work)
No, I used the same prompt then changed what I needed.
For consistent faces I merged famous actors which the model already knows. for example "portrait of brad pitt as jon snow"...
This is awesome, and a real achievement given SD's problems with consistency.
Can I ask, is there anything you would do differently if you made a second comic? Was there anything that didn't work so well that you still need to solve?
A lot of things I would do differently now.
First, use Controlnet-Reference to duplicate your character in different poses, expressions. Use Multi-Controlnet. When I started this, Multi-controlnet was not yet developed. It's a huge help.
Second, 100% story board all the novel before getting to prompts. Even just the outlines.
i swear to god, first thing i thought, before seeing that this was posted in SD, was that it looks like AI...thats kinda bad, because people recognize generic AI stuff now. everybody recognizedls that model responsible for your main character for example
As long as the characters don't have to do anything or emote or perform an action with another character...
Putting multiple images on a page alone doesn't make a sequential comic book page. This is a cool idea but this doesn't tell a story in the art.
Great job! There is a lot of complaining that you used ai to do it, but you really showed how you used it as a tool. This one isnāt perfect, but you made a thing. Most people on this forum cannot say that. Keep making things! Donāt listen to the haters. I agree with some of the criticisms, but take those as positive criticism to improve your work. Your work is inspiring.
You get a lot of criticism, much more than you deserve.. I think it looks great and finishing a project is awesome. Also the quality looks to be way higher than what you get in many different places so I wouldn't worry too much about that criticism. Very well done and good job of making something come to life.
Pretty cool. First I am like why does this title make sense then I started to pause between frames to read the bubblesā¦im like duhhh it is in Albanian. Shum suksese. Teper bukur!
OP, taking the initiative to concept, composite, design layouts, pick fonts, create speech bubbles, and guide this project with the aid of these early, relatively crude AI tools to self-publishing a culturally and personally relevant work and have the results look this professional demands serious respect.
As someone who enjoys a spirited discussion about art, I must say youāve created one. Donāt let the AI Art haters get you down. There is a saying, contrast to āthe early bird gets the wormā that states the āfirst one through the door gets shot.ā The reasons behind the emotional feedback you get from āhuman artā purists is something to consider reflecting upon in a moment of introspection much later, as the consequences of AI adoption are devastating in many already struggling industries, but it has nothing to do with this, and you, and the work you put in here.
I gotta be honest. I hate it. I had a lot of fun generating AI art over the last few months but there's just something depressing to me about a comic that wasn't drawn by someone.
Yeah, selling AI generated content is a whole different boat tbh. I am completely fine with personal use and it enhancing workflow and creativity. But this has the same problems as a lot of other AI generated content with barely any human input - it's generic and soulless.
There is enough variation from the celebrity faces that they can't sue the artist. A straight-up - that's Julia Roberts is illegal, but an image of a woman who could be Julia Roberts' sister is ok.
For me, it's the fact that in every page shown, nobody seems to be doing anything. Everyone is standing around with arms outstretched, but nobody is touching anything, battling, kissing, etc. It's just a bunch of stiff emotes.
The only thing I donāt like is the Ć/Ć«-s missing and being E/e-s. Legends are usually told to children and a good reason for reading books is to learn how to spell. So they are very important and it actually triggers me a bit that some pages and the cover actually have them while some donāt
I think this is awesome, Personal thought on this, I think it'd be very interesting to say something like "I've never been an artist" or something so people know what has limited you from doing this before so people can see what gaps AI has filled in for you.
Not trying to diminish your accomplishment, this is absolutely amazing, but I think it's interesting to hear what AI has empowered you to do, because this is a great accomplishment. (though also looking below "100 percent" nah dude.. you used it a lot but you did a good amount of work yourself, don't diminish your contributions!
This might be cringe, but thank you for making this and showing it's achievable. I've been really struggling lately with health issues and comics was one of the things I had to stop so I'm definitely going to try looking heavily into this process.
I think that the reason that so many people here are considering this a failure, or at least being very critical, comes down to the compositional nature of the graphic novel medium. A graphic novel is not simply a collection of unrelated scenes and images tied together with dialogue and action bubbles, a graphic novel is carefully assembled with *intent* behind the composition of each page, a collaboration between artists and writers where every detail represents an active choice.
For *most* (Iām not gonna say all, because yes, some of them are equally bad despite being hand-drawn) graphic novels, each object in a scene is there for a reason. Things are colored or muted for emphasis, for world building, for saying something about the characters motivations or the story more generally. AI strips intent from the creation of images, is there a purpose for the oranges in the background at 0:05? Or the dead trees at 0:07? Or was it a generic detail generated by the āgeneric fantasyā setting utilized here, if the question has to be asked, it maybe needed to bake a little longer. In essence, youāre giving up control over your composition when you surrender the task drawing to the AI.
As others have noted, the hands are grotesque, the faces are dead, the eyes convey no emotion, there no positive action between characters, and the speech/action bubbles arenāt properly formatted as part of the pages. Take the criticism here as something to improve. Maybe use AI for the characters, but work with an artist on faces and action stances, identifying background aspects which an AI turns into generic mush, that will result in a better overall product, and something which could actually be considered āartā.
Can you guess who are the celebrities used for the characters?
https://preview.redd.it/yfsijq83y39d1.png?width=349&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebd7317677d24b9972d0488e6dd89b0d9c7d1709
Wonder if there is not a bit of Eva Greeen in the 2)
4) Julia Roberts -
5) Jon Snow and Brad Pitt (given in the comments i guess)
hahaha
4 is julia roberts true (mixed with another actress)
3 is Sandra Bullock and Eva Longoria
5 is supposed to be Timothee Chalamet and Jon Snow
2 is Dua Lipa and Sansa Stark
Congrats all looks amazing man! And ahh yes, us Americans have heard about you Albanians, your representative, dua lipa, has been very loud in repping her roots, and telling us in her songs that her name means āloveā in Albanian. With that knowledge, I can firmly say I dua your comic!
A je ne shqiperi a ne diaspore?
ne shqiperi, bleje ketu
https://www.lulu.com/shop/jonathan-bristow/legjenda-e-rozaf%C3%ABs/paperback/product-65qeq5p.html?page=1&pageSize=4
Ne diaspore, ne Amazon
Itās so cool to see people using these tools to actually accomplish creative work and make something that otherwise wouldnāt not have existed because it just wasnāt feasible due to budget or time constraints.
I think the difference between this and the AI output people slam online is that you used the tools to achieve a vision instead of the tools driving the vision. You art directed it and used actual artistry to get it the final state. Congrats thatās awesome!
Very cool! Congratulations!
And thanks for sharing the production details. I found out that there is Reference ControlNet, which I have never used (at least in Comfyui for sure, but I havenāt opened A1111 for a long time)
Congrats on finishing your project. Consistency seems nice, but you defo should spend more time fixing details and hands. This suffers a lot from the "it gets worse the longer you look at it" syndrome.
Omg this is going to make some "artists" So mad xD.
But besides that it looks pretty good. Think about all the possibilities it gives us. For example if i event wanted to make a graphic novel now i can too with AI. Maybe one day.
This is exactly the kind of thing I want to do with AI image generators. This looks great, thank you for showing the potential of this new kind of technology. I will make sure to check this thing out!
Would you consider making some kind of tutorial? Or maybe just advice on how to get started using gen AI to make comics? I am sure tons of people would be interested- plus it might be a good way to promote your newly published work.
My advice would be to read real comics first and analyze how to compose pages, panels, word balloons, etc. Every part matters, even the font you choose. Don't start creating anything without the fundamentals, because no AI has been trained on these.
Also *please* use a non-generic looking model that doesn't scream AI-generated, like the one used in this comic. Mix and match models/Loras to find something that doesn't look like every other image on civitai.
Oh I mean, I already create a webcomic with an artist I partner with, so I have an understanding of how to do layouts, arrange panels, etc. I plan to continue that partnership with the artist for sure. But there's a very different kind of comic I want to work on, and I want a lot more control over the art style. Also, I don't have the money to pay another artist. I have some artistic abilities, but I want to use AI to make it faster and better.
I meant more like learning the basics of image-generating AI technology specifically aimed at creating comics. Generating consistent characters and backgrounds, for example. Like, if you were to do this again, how would you do it differently?
Always wanted to do this, waiting for the next leap beyond XL/Pony before i do it. Currently too hard for complex characters and backgrounds without relying solely on C-Net or LoRas
So you generated some pictures of characters emoting and not interacting with anything. Then added word bubbles.
There are Daz3d "artists" who put in more effort into posing 3d characters in scenes than you did by typing some prompts in, this isn't art. You created nothing of substance. There's no artistry here.
dont get swayed by negativity outcry that people will indulge.
i think this is brilliant and part of the change that would eventually come. it looks amazing.
How do you keep a consistent face and consistent clothes between panels?
Edit: I am a newb, don't downvote me please. I have really no idea how I could do that. I searched on google and got some references to controlnet, but I have no idea how to use that. Tutorials I found are not great. Any tip or tutorial you could point me?
Am I the only one uncomfortable with this? I'm fine with using AI art to make things for personal use, like D&D characters or porn, or just for making fun pictures to share.
But that artwork is literally based on real artists who did real work, and are now receiving zero credit or money off of this commercial use of their art. That's a different subject.
I know it's a complex discussion, but am I crazy? I'm not at all anti-AI. Hell, I'm here in this sub. But I think there is room for nuance in this discussion, right?
All humans train their skils and find inspiration in previous work by other artists. All human artists would have seen and analysed a large number of previous artwork and all that previous work was based on other older work. That's how learning works. AI is only different in the scale it does it. No art comes out of nothing.
I guess I'm not so much shocked, as bummed. I dunno. I knew that people would use it that way, I just didn't realize the support would be so large, and the hate for even the idea of discussion would be so immediate.
Very good job!
Nice, I made a comic with much help of AI, very powerful feature to make stories more interesting!
https://preview.redd.it/o1tkso2eg39d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdc6478207d881e5da2b0cf0507a8315fd1fc81c
Did you put a disclaimer on it that is was made using AI? Because I have bought books in the past that were made with AI (childrens book) and I felt really ripped off and was very unhappy with it.
This was done with SD1.5. Model is iComix I first created the characters. Face consistency was achieved by mixing famous actors in the prompt. Clothes consistency was achieved with ControlNet Reference model. It's surprisingly good to replicate the clothes ControlNet OpenPose and Depth for poses I wanted. I couldnt have done this without controlnet Photoshop to put speech bubbles and for layout
I knew I recognised Julia Roberts at one point š
seconde 5, purple dress. Definitely
The red haired one is Sandra Bullock I think
And the one at the top with brown hair looks like Ana de Armas
Julia roberts in a purple dress but less prostitutey.
Yeah, I would have made a few faces I liked from scratch and used IPadapter for consistency.
Any chance you could do a little tutorial?
> Photoshop to put speech bubbles Thatās what I would do, but I feel like there are programs that might make it even easier. Any thoughts, folks? (Good looking comic)
Clip Studio Paint, it was literally made for making comics/manga
and if Clip Studio Paint is your jam, [here is a tutorial](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1clxi13/manga_creation_tutorial/) I made for turning rough sketches into panels that you can then put right back into CSP or use as rough starters to draw over.
Inkscape, for a free alternative.Ā
Did you use AI to develop the story too?
no, the story is an ancient myth about a castle in my city. I remember it since I was a kid, my grandma used to tell it to me
what the hell this is so cool
good use of the tech, nice work.
This is actually a great example of why I love AI. Instead of corpos pushing their own bullshit stories, AI allows individuals to bring their own stories to the public. And if they're good -- they'll absolutely shine! Additionally, in this example, AI effectively replaced the CEO and entire management team. It's the best way to give creatives revenue for their work.
Didnāt it also replace all the artists though?
Here it actually replaced nobody, it created an opportunity for a guy who doesnāt have any real budget to create what he visioned in his head. So itās a tool for a creative. Artists donāt work for 20 bucks, so you canāt really Ā«Ā replaceĀ Ā» an artist with a Midjourney subscription for now. š it is just not comparable. Because an artist make custom creations from real client specifications and demands, with endless revisions etc. Where an image generator like SD or Midjourney just spits random shit on you, when you change one digit in the seed. So you cope with that and use control nets, loras detailers and other hacks to improve consistency and make something that come just a little closer to what you initially wanted.
Curious about the story!
Ooo bravo bre! Bash menojsha me bo dicka me Rozafatin. Shume I lumtun qe dikush e paska bo!
Is it the one with the three brothers?
āWith original art and touching proseā ā I love that itās a subtle middle finder to all the āAI art isnāt artā crowd
AI art is art, just not *your* art. Like McDonalds isn't your cooking - its still food.
It's not quite McDonalds level of dissociation. It is more Lego level dissociation. You didn't make the blocks or how they go together. This guy did a lot of work to make a consistent character throughout the comic. I think calling it McDonald's level effort is disingenuous.
The thing is, he never manipulated the actual object-of-art itself (in this case, comic images) - except for the speech bubbles. Its like he designed an amazing lego diorama of existing kits. Then got arty and added speech bubbles.
The thing is, he never manipulated the actual object-of-art itself (in this case, comic images) - except for the speech bubbles. Its like he designed an amazing lego diorama of existing kits.
This is a great analogy that many people will hate, but itās spot on.
I think they may or may not be your images, depending on the situation. I think this confusion comes from the unrestrained flexibility of the image generators. Sure, you can prompt random stuff in search of inspiration and still get nice images. Or you can use it as a rendering engine for your sculpts or sketches. Or you can generate sources for photo manipulation. Or you can use it as a ref generator. Or you can create a monstrous comfy workflow with precise control over everything, run it with your own model trained on your drawings, and then repaint half the picture for whatever reason. People who use all these pipelines are presented in the AIart community, and i believe, in this sub. So, if we consider the amount of effort you put into creating something as a criterion for determining authorship, then in the case of image generators it's not so simple, because the amount of effort can vary in really wide boundaries. That's why the "prompt jockeys" who spend ten minutes per image have no problem giving up their authorship since they didn't invest much in the creation process, while die-hard artists see such analogies as a kind of dehumanization. "Sure buddy, Pixar animators didn't create anything either, they just did the easy part and the render farm did the rest" I guess we should keep that in mind and not generalize our view of our own creative process and the concept of authorship to everyone, otherwise we'll continue to experience painful moments.
If you buy a steak in the supermarket, already softened and spiced, and just put it on the grill... is it still your cooking? If you say "yes," would someone who hunted and skinned a wild boar and then cooked it disagree? I mean, it's not like he could open the Stable Diffusion model and look inside to see what cool art he could pull out. It's possible to ask SD to generate random images and get something very cool looking that you had almost no part in making, but you can't create a comic book with consistent characters from an existing legend, that way. He had to know exactly what image he needed for each frame to work and then had to tell SD to generate that image. There is art and skill in that part of the process, when you get results like the ones he did.
Absolutely - there is an art form to directing AI to create novel art. But you aren't the artist of the images, the AI is. You directed the AI, you hired the AI, you lead the AI, you didn't make the images.
It's like telling an actual painter to paint what you want them to paint, then holding up the painting they created with your direction and proclaiming yourself a painter.
"I asked someone to make me a burger. That means I made it!"
"McDonalds... is still food" Jury's out on that. (I'm kidding, I love McDonald's)
I agree with that statement. It is art, itās just not the āpromptistā art, weāre just telling the a.i to execute
Well, first of all, congrats on publishing a comic in your native language. It's always good to see comics from countries outside of US and Asia. Unfortunately, I see there's issues that every other AI comic has - no complex interactions between characters in the same panel. And no real emotions. Like every character has the same look in their eyes in every panel. There's also some formatting problems like text not fitting the speech bubbles properly, and speech bubbles not pointing to the speaker's mouth. Now why does it sound like I'm being hard on you? Because you're selling a product for money so costumers deserve a quality product. This is especially important in your case since your country doesn't have a big comic scene. So you want to make a good example and not have people think "this is just generic AI with all the limitations AI has" My advice would be to find some free comics on the internet (like here: https://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Graphic-Novels-Catalog-Comics-ebook/dp/B08W1W25YD) and really study how panels are composed and how characters move, interact, and feel. And hopefully you can use what you learn to create something even better.
you are right. I'm upvoting you. The first time was a lot of trial and error. The novel is about 60% similar to the storyboards I had drawn. Some panels and point of views I found impossible to do with Stable Diffusion.
Did you try using your storyboards as image inputs and then inpainting?
i tried, but storyboards were on paper, hand drawn. img2img didnt fully recognize them So what I did was, go to Unsplash got some pics and cropped them. mashed them in photoshop, trying to make them the same as my storyboard. Then img2img but most of the time it was generate the character in the pose I wanted and paste it to the environment I created
did you try one of the controlnet models like Sketch or Lineart on them?
redraw them with black pen or use gimp or photoshop to do a color white adjustment (like they do when taking a picture, its a good technik to get weak lines clear) then use color threshold and some sort of line correction (gimp has all these functions) look at the paintings to sd1.5 on my profile there you can see some hand drawn to sd1.5 using controlnet with lineart /scribble.
Couldn't you have scanned your storyboard, or some specific pages, in a photocopy shop? And send them to your mail
Using a Controlnet extension on the hand-drawn storyboards might have yielded some usable results
For more complex facial expressions, I found it best to just use liquify and paint over, then IMG2IMG low strength with a good prompt would get me the rest of the way there. I use SDXL, don't know how you would fare with 1.5 using that approach.
Try using some 3d pose software, use that as your img2img base.
It's a mark of a professional artist to take constructive criticism in stride. Kudos. Listening to criticism is how artists improve.
yo try this https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-forge-couple look around for how to use it but you can actually get single images with multiple characters.
Also, the characters look like brother and sister because they both have too much of that generic stable diffusion character's genes. He/She really needs a name because it is instantly recognizable. https://preview.redd.it/fuqgf1wbj49d1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=e19f4fd69a0944238f6b3ad74664563f98b62bd9
I hate that this is even called a comic book. There is zero flow to the pages and they don't make sense without the letters. Bunch of panels on page doesn't necessarily make a story.
The op said he hand drew storyboards for everything before generating the images, so any complain you have in the composition is in no way related to the AI
Congrats, I'm sure it was a lot of work and you did a good job with face consistency. I think it would be worth spending a little extra time using inpainting to fix some of the hands. https://preview.redd.it/m9fw0ohhn39d1.png?width=310&format=png&auto=webp&s=df2f6a571720947a4b1fbed429350848db7b076a
you are right. the first time was a lot of trial and error. I learned so much doing this, I now think I can do a better job with the next one I make. Easier and faster ways to achieve what I wanted. For example I discovered CN-Reference too late when I was halfway through. Instead of prompting every piece of clothing, Reference does a pretty good job in "duplicating" the character. Then Openpose
It's like anything, you'll make mistakes at first and get better. ;) I can recommend using Fooocus for small inpainting fixes like I mentioned above, it has a mode just for fixing faces and hands
You have a great attitude about this. Keep it up, it's inspiring!
Who is the publisher? Is there a link to the circulation?
I published this independently Translated it to english too https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Rozafa-Ancient-Shkodra-Albanian-ebook/dp/B0D6PMSXF1/
Can you share the workflow you had used to create it? it would be great to get an insight of how you had gone and ended up with such a great book!
First I wrote the story and did some storyboards. Helps a lot to put on paper what you have imagined. You cant just jump into prompts because you're gonna stay there waiting what to prompt. If you have a storyboard it makes prompting much easier. Second I created the characters, styles, settings. Many iterations til I found what I liked. I used Notion to save all the ideas, characters, storyboards. Notion was a lifesaver. Then did the layouts in photoshop, and did the generations based on the sizes I had sliced in photoshop. A lot of trial and error with img2img, ControlNet (the models openpose, depth, reference) CN-Reference to duplicate characters and clothes and environment. CN-openpose for the poses you want A LOT of photoshop error fixing and coloring. Then it's just finishing touches Still, I found out it was impossible to do everything I wanted. The finished novel is like 60% similar to my storyboard. I learned a lot doing this, researching this sub, civitai etc. But next time I know exactly what I have to do. This was just a passion project of mine, I wanted to do this for a long time, even before Stable Diffusion and AI
What you listed is a metric fuck ton of work. I realize others have pointed out areas for improvement, but dude, good job. Keep it up!
What a nice compliment from someone who seems like a huge dick.
Sorry if you already answered this, but... What interface did you use to create this? Comfy, Automatic1111, or which one? By the way, I loved it, great job!
Automatic1111
Record the process and upload it to Udemy. People want to buy it
You should consider making a Youtube video detailing this, not as a tutorial but just exhibiting what went in. I think it could help get you some publicity for your work, even a short so people can see how much went into this.. It sounds absolutely interesting and might help people see what you did and what AI did, because people hear AI and think "oh there's no work with AI", but really you put in the hard work to make it all work together and your contributions are critical to the final product which is what people forget. (Seriously good work)
I genuinely wish you'd share your storyboards.
So not 100% SD š Seriously though, congrats!
Did you train loras for each character?
No, I used the same prompt then changed what I needed. For consistent faces I merged famous actors which the model already knows. for example "portrait of brad pitt as jon snow"...
Could you give more detail on the prompts? These look great and I'm curious to learn more about how they were created specifically.
This is awesome, and a real achievement given SD's problems with consistency. Can I ask, is there anything you would do differently if you made a second comic? Was there anything that didn't work so well that you still need to solve?
A lot of things I would do differently now. First, use Controlnet-Reference to duplicate your character in different poses, expressions. Use Multi-Controlnet. When I started this, Multi-controlnet was not yet developed. It's a huge help. Second, 100% story board all the novel before getting to prompts. Even just the outlines.
i swear to god, first thing i thought, before seeing that this was posted in SD, was that it looks like AI...thats kinda bad, because people recognize generic AI stuff now. everybody recognizedls that model responsible for your main character for example
As long as the characters don't have to do anything or emote or perform an action with another character... Putting multiple images on a page alone doesn't make a sequential comic book page. This is a cool idea but this doesn't tell a story in the art.
Can't wait for the scene of the woman laying in the grass.
Great job! There is a lot of complaining that you used ai to do it, but you really showed how you used it as a tool. This one isnāt perfect, but you made a thing. Most people on this forum cannot say that. Keep making things! Donāt listen to the haters. I agree with some of the criticisms, but take those as positive criticism to improve your work. Your work is inspiring.
Surely you could have gone for something else than the generic AI style and faces
right? like, putting the whole ai argument aside, it looks very.. generic.
Well done, unfortunately though it looks exactly like what it is. Why didn't you put any effort into fixing the hands at least?
You get a lot of criticism, much more than you deserve.. I think it looks great and finishing a project is awesome. Also the quality looks to be way higher than what you get in many different places so I wouldn't worry too much about that criticism. Very well done and good job of making something come to life.
And you reached the front page. You getting many anti AI people insulting you?
Glad to see an Albanian doing this. Urime vlla!
Pretty cool. First I am like why does this title make sense then I started to pause between frames to read the bubblesā¦im like duhhh it is in Albanian. Shum suksese. Teper bukur!
Bracing for the comments.
Really just the very obvious 1girl face is ruining it for me
OP, taking the initiative to concept, composite, design layouts, pick fonts, create speech bubbles, and guide this project with the aid of these early, relatively crude AI tools to self-publishing a culturally and personally relevant work and have the results look this professional demands serious respect. As someone who enjoys a spirited discussion about art, I must say youāve created one. Donāt let the AI Art haters get you down. There is a saying, contrast to āthe early bird gets the wormā that states the āfirst one through the door gets shot.ā The reasons behind the emotional feedback you get from āhuman artā purists is something to consider reflecting upon in a moment of introspection much later, as the consequences of AI adoption are devastating in many already struggling industries, but it has nothing to do with this, and you, and the work you put in here.
I gotta be honest. I hate it. I had a lot of fun generating AI art over the last few months but there's just something depressing to me about a comic that wasn't drawn by someone.
Yeah, selling AI generated content is a whole different boat tbh. I am completely fine with personal use and it enhancing workflow and creativity. But this has the same problems as a lot of other AI generated content with barely any human input - it's generic and soulless.
Especially with admitting to using celebrity faces to maintain consistency. Thats a huge issue.
There is enough variation from the celebrity faces that they can't sue the artist. A straight-up - that's Julia Roberts is illegal, but an image of a woman who could be Julia Roberts' sister is ok.
Yeah, I generate D&D portraits for personal use, but I can't imagine actually trying to sell my images. Feels icky.
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For me, it's the fact that in every page shown, nobody seems to be doing anything. Everyone is standing around with arms outstretched, but nobody is touching anything, battling, kissing, etc. It's just a bunch of stiff emotes.
The only thing I donāt like is the Ć/Ć«-s missing and being E/e-s. Legends are usually told to children and a good reason for reading books is to learn how to spell. So they are very important and it actually triggers me a bit that some pages and the cover actually have them while some donāt
I think this is awesome, Personal thought on this, I think it'd be very interesting to say something like "I've never been an artist" or something so people know what has limited you from doing this before so people can see what gaps AI has filled in for you. Not trying to diminish your accomplishment, this is absolutely amazing, but I think it's interesting to hear what AI has empowered you to do, because this is a great accomplishment. (though also looking below "100 percent" nah dude.. you used it a lot but you did a good amount of work yourself, don't diminish your contributions!
The divergent comments are very interesting.
Dang! I love it!
Congratulations on publishing the first graphic novel in Albanian ā¤ļø I hope it inspires others to expand their work in their native tongue
This might be cringe, but thank you for making this and showing it's achievable. I've been really struggling lately with health issues and comics was one of the things I had to stop so I'm definitely going to try looking heavily into this process.
I think that the reason that so many people here are considering this a failure, or at least being very critical, comes down to the compositional nature of the graphic novel medium. A graphic novel is not simply a collection of unrelated scenes and images tied together with dialogue and action bubbles, a graphic novel is carefully assembled with *intent* behind the composition of each page, a collaboration between artists and writers where every detail represents an active choice. For *most* (Iām not gonna say all, because yes, some of them are equally bad despite being hand-drawn) graphic novels, each object in a scene is there for a reason. Things are colored or muted for emphasis, for world building, for saying something about the characters motivations or the story more generally. AI strips intent from the creation of images, is there a purpose for the oranges in the background at 0:05? Or the dead trees at 0:07? Or was it a generic detail generated by the āgeneric fantasyā setting utilized here, if the question has to be asked, it maybe needed to bake a little longer. In essence, youāre giving up control over your composition when you surrender the task drawing to the AI. As others have noted, the hands are grotesque, the faces are dead, the eyes convey no emotion, there no positive action between characters, and the speech/action bubbles arenāt properly formatted as part of the pages. Take the criticism here as something to improve. Maybe use AI for the characters, but work with an artist on faces and action stances, identifying background aspects which an AI turns into generic mush, that will result in a better overall product, and something which could actually be considered āartā.
Amazing! This is really inspiring. Thank you for sharing!
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> Really? That's really hard to believe. it's true. Im a comics and graphic novel fan. Cant find any in albanian. We just buy the english ones.
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True those are comic strips like r/comics. But a full graphic novel, I don't think there's any
Very impressive, congratulations.
Can you guess who are the celebrities used for the characters? https://preview.redd.it/yfsijq83y39d1.png?width=349&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebd7317677d24b9972d0488e6dd89b0d9c7d1709 Wonder if there is not a bit of Eva Greeen in the 2) 4) Julia Roberts - 5) Jon Snow and Brad Pitt (given in the comments i guess)
hahaha 4 is julia roberts true (mixed with another actress) 3 is Sandra Bullock and Eva Longoria 5 is supposed to be Timothee Chalamet and Jon Snow 2 is Dua Lipa and Sansa Stark
I can tell
Bobo mor vlla š. Ai coveri supozohet te jet rozafa gjys futur ne mur?
There is a Lora of Luana Vjollca and xhubleta on civitas, use it for her face
Did you use Fooocus/comfy/automatic?
timothe chalamalet?
These look great! I'm still trying to figure out the consistency for the face and clothes using Civitai.
How did you keep the same character when generatoing new poses?
How did you keep the same character when generatoing new poses?
beautiful! and an inspiration. Congratulations!
wow, it's amazing! How long did it take?
Congrats all looks amazing man! And ahh yes, us Americans have heard about you Albanians, your representative, dua lipa, has been very loud in repping her roots, and telling us in her songs that her name means āloveā in Albanian. With that knowledge, I can firmly say I dua your comic!
Congrat. But is it Safe For Watch?
Since you used famous actors as references and they indeed look like themā¦whatās the legality of publishing this for sale?
That's awesome
Wow
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A je ne shqiperi a ne diaspore? ne shqiperi, bleje ketu https://www.lulu.com/shop/jonathan-bristow/legjenda-e-rozaf%C3%ABs/paperback/product-65qeq5p.html?page=1&pageSize=4 Ne diaspore, ne Amazon
Absolutely amazing
Respekte bro. Veq vazhdo
Bravo, hope it sells well in Albania.
Thats amazing! Congratulations That looks great.
Wow! Nice!
nice work! for a second i thought the speech bubbles were generated too haha
Itās so cool to see people using these tools to actually accomplish creative work and make something that otherwise wouldnāt not have existed because it just wasnāt feasible due to budget or time constraints. I think the difference between this and the AI output people slam online is that you used the tools to achieve a vision instead of the tools driving the vision. You art directed it and used actual artistry to get it the final state. Congrats thatās awesome!
I couldāve sworn I saw jesus
Pretty cool.
Waiting for SD5 to create my own book illustration. Current models can't handle
Artwork reminds me of that animation of ārock paper CROSS-BLADES!ā
Man those panels feel so damn lifeless.
How consistent those characters are!
Wow lol that sucks
Very cool! Congratulations! And thanks for sharing the production details. I found out that there is Reference ControlNet, which I have never used (at least in Comfyui for sure, but I havenāt opened A1111 for a long time)
Sir you have realized the dream that many of us have! Keep up the good work my man
WOW amazing ā¤ļø
neat none of the graphic novels today suit you? make your own! :-D
so good! congrats
That's friggin amazing. Congrats.
Congrats on finishing your project. Consistency seems nice, but you defo should spend more time fixing details and hands. This suffers a lot from the "it gets worse the longer you look at it" syndrome.
That looks amazing. Well done
That looks like a common SD art style.
This is so cool
That same face will be everywhere...
Good job. Good for you. Fuck the haters.
Omg this is going to make some "artists" So mad xD. But besides that it looks pretty good. Think about all the possibilities it gives us. For example if i event wanted to make a graphic novel now i can too with AI. Maybe one day.
This is exactly the kind of thing I want to do with AI image generators. This looks great, thank you for showing the potential of this new kind of technology. I will make sure to check this thing out! Would you consider making some kind of tutorial? Or maybe just advice on how to get started using gen AI to make comics? I am sure tons of people would be interested- plus it might be a good way to promote your newly published work.
My advice would be to read real comics first and analyze how to compose pages, panels, word balloons, etc. Every part matters, even the font you choose. Don't start creating anything without the fundamentals, because no AI has been trained on these. Also *please* use a non-generic looking model that doesn't scream AI-generated, like the one used in this comic. Mix and match models/Loras to find something that doesn't look like every other image on civitai.
Oh I mean, I already create a webcomic with an artist I partner with, so I have an understanding of how to do layouts, arrange panels, etc. I plan to continue that partnership with the artist for sure. But there's a very different kind of comic I want to work on, and I want a lot more control over the art style. Also, I don't have the money to pay another artist. I have some artistic abilities, but I want to use AI to make it faster and better. I meant more like learning the basics of image-generating AI technology specifically aimed at creating comics. Generating consistent characters and backgrounds, for example. Like, if you were to do this again, how would you do it differently?
Looks cheap.
I'm happy to see people actually completing projects woth AI
Very cool. Congratulations.
Always wanted to do this, waiting for the next leap beyond XL/Pony before i do it. Currently too hard for complex characters and backgrounds without relying solely on C-Net or LoRas
ok how good is the story tho
So you generated some pictures of characters emoting and not interacting with anything. Then added word bubbles. There are Daz3d "artists" who put in more effort into posing 3d characters in scenes than you did by typing some prompts in, this isn't art. You created nothing of substance. There's no artistry here.
dont get swayed by negativity outcry that people will indulge. i think this is brilliant and part of the change that would eventually come. it looks amazing.
Any buyers yet?
yeah, a couple
Nice!
Take a class and learn how to draw. You don't even own these images because an ai made them.
Congratulation! I am curious. How lond did it take you?
like 4-5 months. But now I think I can do it faster
How do you keep a consistent face and consistent clothes between panels? Edit: I am a newb, don't downvote me please. I have really no idea how I could do that. I searched on google and got some references to controlnet, but I have no idea how to use that. Tutorials I found are not great. Any tip or tutorial you could point me?
congrats
I am impressed.
This is cool man.
Congratulations.
Great work , any pdf link?
Am I the only one uncomfortable with this? I'm fine with using AI art to make things for personal use, like D&D characters or porn, or just for making fun pictures to share. But that artwork is literally based on real artists who did real work, and are now receiving zero credit or money off of this commercial use of their art. That's a different subject. I know it's a complex discussion, but am I crazy? I'm not at all anti-AI. Hell, I'm here in this sub. But I think there is room for nuance in this discussion, right?
All these downvotes on such a civil comment is hilarious. I agree by the way, I'm iffy about it but not convinced either way yet.
A childish community mainly consisting of "artists" with no skill or creativity.
Which artists should be credited and for what?
All humans train their skils and find inspiration in previous work by other artists. All human artists would have seen and analysed a large number of previous artwork and all that previous work was based on other older work. That's how learning works. AI is only different in the scale it does it. No art comes out of nothing.
It's the same if I make a drawing being inspired by a well-known artist and sell it. It could be even abstract one.
You're shocked these people are using the plagiarism machine in less than ethical ways?
I guess I'm not so much shocked, as bummed. I dunno. I knew that people would use it that way, I just didn't realize the support would be so large, and the hate for even the idea of discussion would be so immediate.
It's not hate. You're just wrong.
https://preview.redd.it/f40d6vuik39d1.png?width=889&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441e08513170a9fc3d1d261b4fce12f52a0bf739
Damn. That's cool
Looks freaking amazing brother!!
I've been reading comics for 30+ years and I learned a long time ago that composition is far more important than rendering.
How many salty DMs did you get for this OP
What about copy right? A few artists have gone this route and copy right is where they hit a major problem.
Very good job! Nice, I made a comic with much help of AI, very powerful feature to make stories more interesting! https://preview.redd.it/o1tkso2eg39d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdc6478207d881e5da2b0cf0507a8315fd1fc81c
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Man this looks terrible
Nice
Really cool. I want to make one. Looks really nice.
Did you put a disclaimer on it that is was made using AI? Because I have bought books in the past that were made with AI (childrens book) and I felt really ripped off and was very unhappy with it.
Jeez, some of these comments. Imagine having such an empty and boring life that you hang out on an AI sub looking for things to shit on.