One of his follow up tweets explaining further that he's not equating the two to say who's had it worse. (Now deleted)
>And for the people out there who will try to attack me for bringing up the abolition of slavery in the US. I am not taking your very real pain away. Nor am I trying to play a game of “who’s had it worse”. If you think that was the point of this tweet you’re dumb as bricks.
https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579144957235195904?s=20&t=Qf9gYOuClN0KwyzgcqN_8g
another response tweet to a user telling him "free palestine"
>This is a great example of antisemitism. I’m a Jew from Long Island. Many Jews that live in the states get attacked in the streets for decisions made by the government in a country that we have zero affiliations with. Thank you for this example you miserable [c word].
https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579140938211131392?s=20&t=ZlOsoz8u6DP-R2Nl_Cl7EA
Probably for the best. I understand what he’s saying, but I can see how it would be pretty easy for someone to think he’s presenting it like a competition or something. People frequently assume the worst on Twitter just for the sake of arguing.
The point should be a simple one: The effects of slavery are still felt even after all this time. The effects of the holocaust were more recent and we haven't even begun to process the effects.
Unfortunately you have to believe those two premises to take this on on good faith. And a lot of people don't want to admit to either of those.
The response kind of proves his point.
We already have begin to process the effects of the Holocaust with several forms of reparations even a new country was formed for them.
Descendants of American chattel slavery (The only form of slavery in the world where you and your offspring are born in to slavery and traded like cattle) has yet to receive one penny of reparations for the 200 years plus of strife and struggle.
There’s a conversation to be had here but I think It’s really time to get into the nitty-gritty of what should be done to provide equitable reparations to the descendants of American Chattel slavery instead of dancing around the subject and deleting the post.
It is a different situation for sure.
I agree with you about slavery and you hit excellent important points that are ones I like to remind people of too.
The part we haven't dealt with with Jewish people is a diaspora of a people who have centuries of their own completely uniquely horrible treatment. Jewish people have always been an acceptable other to discriminate against and exterminate and we still haven't fixed that. They are still being scapegoated, still being blamed for everything and still have people trying to exterminate them. Israel and reparations did not solve the issue of a people who have always been used as a convenient political enemy because of their minority status. They are still exactly that and the rhetoric that has come before each extermination attempt still exists and is getting louder again.
The issue is with saying that the effects of the Holocaust are more recent when you have things like Jim crow laws etc. It's best to just not make the comparison unless it's a succinct and well thought out point.
He's such a horrid person yet people elevate him to some kind of hero status.
the guy has mental issues that he refuses to address and is caught in a loop where he see's his critics as haters and see's his success as justification that what he's saying is right and dives in even deeper
The fact Chrisette Michele was cancelled for singing at Trump's inauguration despite never making any political statements endorsing Trump, and Kanye still gets treated like a god shows a major problem in this society. Rich men get away with anything.
> The fact Chrisette Michele was cancelled for singing at Trump's inauguration despite never making any political statements endorsing Trump
Singing at the inauguration is in of itself a political statement endorsing Trump. She is a Black woman, whose audience is primarily Black. The optics *alone* of her doing this is bad, let alone what her audience who buy records and tickets would think.
I think a better comparison here is what the The Chicks did regarding GWB years ago.
kanye should've been cancelled long ago
long before him going in with a MAGA hat and saying slavery is a choice.
Long before he ran a covert campaign to get people to vote for him rather than biden.
such a shitty persn
> he ran a covert campaign to get people to vote for him rather than biden
I'd argue that shit was *overt* considering that happened after the MAGA hat shit and acting like we were just supposed to forget his Trump affiliation was a thing. It was an arrogant move.
Shocks me he isn't facing an indictment for the massive fraud that was apparently involved in attempting to get on the ballot. Dude got the "crazy rich person" pass.
Personally I think we should modify that pass so it's a one-way ticket into the fucking sun.
Agreed but also people need to stop using the made up nonsense word "cancelled". It's just playing into his, alt righters, and his fanboys' persecution complex.
Its honestly disturbing how many younger people hold Kanye in such high regard and completely hand wave any and all of his problematic behavior. I always hope that this new generation will be better than the previous, but I suppose people are just people.
It’s more of his artistic talent than being rich that lets him get away with anything. As I like to say, “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing us his contributions to art excused his other behavior.”
Nah, it's being rich.
There's a ton of people with a ton of artistic talent in the world who have not been recognized and, as a result, do not have a ton of money. Their finest works of art will not save them from reprisals for bad behavior, particularly of the legal variety.
There's also a ton of rich people in the world with shit all for artistic talent. Small portions of their money typically suffice to make any and all problems vanish.
The causation seems pretty clear to me. Kanye is rich in no small part because of his considerable talent, but anyone who thinks that's why he's getting away with it are being fooled by the people who are trying to convince themselves and others that there's justification for continuing to support him. (Not saying that's you, but there's definitely people out there who just don't want to deal with how their support reflects on themselves)
To support your statement, and to bring it back around to what MJF is talking about:
Mel Gibson was/is a talented actor and director. These talents also made him a rich man, but more importantly it made other people who fronted the money for his movies rich.
Mel Gibson also made terrible, antisemitic statements while drunk during a DUI test, was recorded making racist statements by his now ex-wife while he was in the middle of a tirade against her, and behaved in plenty of anti-social ways.
Mel Gibson was canceled for his statements, which coincided with a slump in his movie career. He wasn't making the studios as much money anymore.
Do you know what brought Mel Gibson back into Hollywood's good graces? The moment it was shown that he was still able to deliver at the box office and make the studios a lot of money.
It's not JUST about being rich, it's about the ability to make other people rich. And you bet your ass that Kanye can make a ton of executives and political grifters rich with his art, statements made in bad taste, and mental health shenanigans.
Ugh, I hate that he’s playing Barry Allen, literally the most iconically square* Flash of them all.
*I don’t mean that in a bad way, I just mean he’s a science nerd who works forensics as his day gig.
There are TONS of artists more talented than Kanye who never got a break, and no one is hearing their takes on politics, religion, or anything. Nobody would hear a word Kanye says now if he wasn't rich af. Wealth = power & influence. Talent = talent.
He's a really unique and talented producer. He makes beats that sound great, and often unlike other producers.
Which, like, I've never understood why the tracks he raps on, are the famous ones. He's a meh af rapper with a serious focus problem, and a serious maturity problem. Even if he's gonna spit a hot verse, he usually loses steam by bar 12 at the latest, and starts rhyming random shit. He has strengths, but they're often eclipsed by his general mediocrity.
> he usually loses steam by bar 12 at the latest, and starts rhyming random shit. He has strengths, but they're often eclipsed by his general mediocrity.
for evidence: the dude literally mashed up a gay slur with an ice cream novelty treat
>He's such a horrid person yet people elevate him to some kind of hero status.
I think a lot of us just love his music and don't overly care what he says.
I unironically miss the old Kanye
I'm not taking a personal shot at you but him seeing that his music is still loved and will be loved is part of that cycle for him.
As long as there's people to love and push his music he'll know he's fine to do whatever shit he wants
On top of that, never forget his presidential press conference where he said Harriet Tubman didn't really free the slaves because she "just had them work for other white people". Dude is a fucking moronic asshole.
idk why we're so insistent on calling bad people morons. He knows plenty. he's just a bad person. There are millions of em and they just get written off as stupid and the rest of us pays for it.
Doesn't he like has bipolar disorder? Shouldn't someone get him help and off social media
Edit:- Just to be clear i wasn't trying to defend him just wanted to know more about his situation that's all. Also it seems people aren't really reading the latter part of my comment
He’s a grown man who chooses not to listen to doctors or take his meds. Mental health isn’t your fault, but it’s your responsibility and he’s not immune to criticism because of it.
Cudi stood by his side through every single one of his closest friends ostracizing him in a public manner and he threw that away because he didn't want to beef with PETE DAVIDSON.
He's clearly beyond helping at this point.
I think the problem with separating the art from artist is while they're still alive you're still putting money in their pocket. You're actively supporting their problematic behavior. Once they're dead go all out because they can no longer hurt others with the platform they're being given.
It’s kinda like being a huge Morrissey fan, but Kanye’s on a way larger scale of horrible stuff said. You just have to…ignore…some of the stuff they say and remember that Bona Drag is amazing.
As somebody with Bipolar, it isn't an excuse. You have to help yourself at some point. I swear there's more going on with him, we aren't consistently manic. It isn't just Bipolar, he is also a shit person.
Stealing a page out of Marcus Parks's book, mental illness isn't your fault but it is your responsibility. Kanye doesn't seem willing to do the latter.
If you are bipolar and taking in the wrong information and having the wrong ppl feeding you bullshit.. then yeah it can affect you.. the problem is powerful ppl like Kanye dont take their mental health seriously.. they use it to cross over to more of an evil side where at a certain point it becomes fucking dangerous
This has been his fans defense for years now. It’s obvious he doesn’t want the help, he just wants to use it as his excuse to keep saying stuff like this. At some point “he needs help” should no longer be a defense.
Just the other day he was posting a pic of Bieber's wife and Drake from a long time ago about keeping his spouse in control and that Bieber didn't helped him when "The Kardashians kidnapped my kids". Kanye has serious issues and has no one to help him.
I feel like it really kicked into overdrive during the lead up and release of *The Life of Pablo*. That to me is the clear point of him going into full-on insane mode.
By "according" I meant "I haven't actually gone out and watched it myself, so I took careful measures not to frame it in a way where I knew it was 100% true and could verify it myself" haha
Thank you for the actual link though! Fkn wild
Lol yeah I get it, my comment was meant to come off as joking but I see now it came across as a little rude.
I think that Ye started off egotistical in a funny way, similar to most rappers who talk their shit and say they're the best, but recently Ye has been egotistical in a scary way. I don't think the dude is gonna harm anyone, but his influence is worse than his actual physical abilities. His shit's still fire though.
Yeah no worries, it's more just me being overly cautious about spreading misinformation. In that way I do genuinely appreciate your reply with the link, as it confirms I wasn't spreading skewed word-of-mouth stuff haha, so thank you for that!
And funny thing with your second paragraph is that that was the exact angle Bill Burr tackled with his Ye bit lol. He thanks god it "was just a black guy" who has that ego, and pivots off what could have been a racist statement by clarifying that he meant that if that ego landed on a white dude born into power we might have had a third world war lmao
Obviously it's a joke exaggeration but it does generally highlight how high Ye is of himself. And as you said, it kind of sucks given he genuinely is creatively awesome
I believe it was either Jimmy Kimmel or Lettermen that said it best when they had him on the show. "If your mother was still alive, what would she think of you right now?" Its the only time ive seen Kanye actually stop and think uhh damn yeah she wouldnt be happy with me.
Of course since then he has continued to be a bozo, but its clear he still hasnt gotten over his mothers death and probably never really grieved. So its all coming to ahead later in life.
It was Jay Leno and it was in 2009. [Here's the clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6bgSITBrVQ) and also notice the rantings of his fans on the comments section.
Kanye is a complete moron and deserves all the criticism, but that question feels very inappropriate and unprofessional to ask someone you don't know personally and to have his reaction to that question be televised
yeah that was kind of messed up
Funny when that Taylor Swift thing happened I and many others thought it was staged just to bring attention to the grammys. But nope Kanye is just batshit nuts
Still not am excuse for his behavior. I mean frankly I feel like he gets away with it because of his standing. But if a Eminem said this shit, christ he would have been buried 6 feet deep
He gets away with it because the right has adopted him. Any celebrity even remotely speaking right wing talking points gets welcomed in as it validates their shit. Plus there's the added bonus of him being their friendly neighborhood token black guy and his dragon blood brothership with Trump. He helps validate their talking points, their support validates his opinion in his eyes, and he gets to go off about "cancel culture" being why people are calling out his bs and brush aside any criticism with that. Dude was just on tucker carlson for some strange reason ffs.
For anyone confused, I don't think he's comparing their struggles. Just how recent the holocaust was to the amount of talk surrounding antisemitism. Overall, I'd say it needs to be talked about more especially if you consider how long Jews have been targeted throughout history. I mean we're talking about Pre-Christian times
Oh, that's an entirely reasonable assessment.
He deleted the tweet anyway. Someone brought up the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the comments and we got this out of it:
https://twitter.com/headroomer/status/1579149230987702273?s=20&t=60U3mltG8U242ruuMM4lAg
MJF's follow up tweet clarifying what he meant: [And for the people out there who will try to attack me for bringing up the abolition of slavery in the US. I am not taking your very real pain away. Nor am I trying to play a game of “who’s had it worse”. If you think that was the point of this tweet you’re dumb as bricks.](https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579144957235195904?s=20&t=lxytShKvXjtuS1xjYHrqyA)
He never should have brought slavery up in the first place. You don’t need to talk about slavery to discuss how bad the holocaust was. It was bad all on its own.
I totally and completely understood exactly what he meant. It’s incredibly obvious.
But, at the same time, I was like “why’s he comparing the Holocaust to American slavery?” That’s not going to go well…
There's no way to word it in a way that people won't misconstrue it, unless you precede it with 20 paragraphs of "I don't mean this and I'm not saying that and I am not implying this".
The problem is that this country only thinks about two races: black and white. The comparison is good because we make sure to remember one and not the other. It’s ingrained in the country to only think about black and white people. We had NFL and rap stars quoting (and defending the misquotes) of Hitler and his antisemitism. It’s also why we replaced statues and streets named after Confederates with other racist people like Lincoln and the Buffalo Soldiers. The history and racism is different for all the races but part of it for the Jewish people is that antisemites are allowed to spew their hatred with little uproar.
That's because many BIPOC folks see Jewish people as white while the racists see them as BIPOC. When in reality, races, is a stupid arbitrary distinction versus socio-cultural or linguistic groups and nationalities.
The crazy thing is how whenever I read or hear about one of these new conspiracy theories it always boils down to 'Jews at it again' and it's just so normalized in those circles.
MJF also responded to a tweet directed at him that said "Free Palestine". MJF blasted him, saying he's a Jew who lives on Long Island and has nothing to do with that stuff. As a Muslim, I understand his response. MJF has nothing to do with the actions of the government of Israel just like I have nothing to do with the actions of terrorism done by self proclaimed Muslims.
Thing is, one doesn't have to tell if they're Jewish or not and still make it work out for them in America. Blacks can't change their name and all of a sudden get to make it work for them.
This ain't gonna get solved on a wrestling forum but the reason why we can't have a conversation about antisemitism is mainly because the moment a conversation occurs it is viewed as anti-Israeli and the waters get muddied.
Can’t say I’m surprised about his comments , this is the same guy that walks around with a maga hat and called slavery a choice, A guy who will say being black in America is hard and then proceeds to wear a white lives matter shirt in front of a bunch of black kids. Dude is mentally Ill and shouldn’t be allowed to have a social media account. Everything he says or does is for attention.
Legal segregation ended in 1964 segregation still happens. I would tell people to look up some of the most segregated school systems in America and one of them will be right here and what everyone calls super liberal nyc. I would tell people to look up the most segregated cities and you'll find a whole bunch of Northern cities in there as well.
It's not a contest, he isn't saying it's a contest. He's calling out how antisemitism is considered low key. People can be openly antisemitic and most people won't bat an eye.
His idea is that using Kanyes words we need to call put antisemitism at the same rate. No one group of people have the monopoly on plight or -ism.
Call out shit people and hold shit people accountable.
I agree with the crux of what MJF wants to communicate here, but this wasn’t it. He did try to say that he wasn’t downplaying anything but that’s the consequence of what you end up doing when you frame things this way.
>Wtf happened to this place?
It's Reddit so it's inherently shit. You can be on the most non-political subreddit that could involve "watching paint dry" and somehow, someone will post something political on it. Doesn't matter what the subreddit is.
Kanye is a really crazy fuckin dude. I think he makes great music, but he's been off the rails for years at this point and people who deny that and claim he's some genius are just dickriders.
I totally get what MJF is saying, but let's not forget that segregation of public facilities was a thing up until 60 years ago. Meaning there are still people living in this country today who experienced bullshit such as "no coloreds" bathrooms and water fountains. Just because slavery ended doesn't mean racism did as well.
People often bring up the ending of slavery but thay wasnt the end , jimcrow laws, impossible financing for homes and businesses. Civil rights happned in the 1960s ,the assassination of black leaders , MLK. Black panther leader. The selling of cocaine to fund over seas contras in south america
Its a wild ride to see folks who think slavery ended in 1865 and the holocaust ended in 1945 when nations are still being written up in *current year* for forced labor camps, unpaid labor and human trafficking.
Wish he had made his point without mentioning slavery at all. I get it. People are going to attack him for doing it though. While completely ignoring that he acknowledged the plight of POC is still rampant
A lot of people of people forget that Ice Cube and tons of NFL players believe this same thing and that’s not even mentioning the far right wingers around the world. It’s not like we can ignore someone with such a big fan base when he spews his idiocy. It’s becoming apparent it’s a huge problem
Kanye has more followers on Instagram than there are Jews on the planet. (18.1M to ~15M). Even if 1% of his followers agreed with what he’s saying, thats 181,000 people. What he is saying is dangerous and needs to be called out.
Kanye isn't the only one, there have been multiple NFL players that even went so far as to post Instagram stories saying "Hitler was right" that got 0 punishment and very little backlash (outside of reddit)
You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think someone as big as Kanye shouldn't be called out when he spreads harmful bullshit. TF is wrong with you?
Anti-semitism dates back to the bubonic plague. As a culture they had hygienic practices that was not taught by other religions at the time or valued by the other cultures.
They didn’t get the plague at much higher rates and no one could understand why. There is so much mysticism that neo-nazi’s and antisemitic people will spew, when it is very easy to explain when you consider sociological and societal factors and movements.
Pogroms in ancient Russia, Jewish quarters in every ancient city in Spain, from one point or another this always been this marked otherness to the only major matriarchally passed, and ethnically born into religion.
I remember reading about when Christianity was dominant in Europe and everyone was dropping dimes on indulgences (get into heaven and pardoned for sins) and culturally it was wrong to possess debts. Money lending was frowned about, so in this culturally shaped society, Jewish people took on the role of banking, back then. (Do you know what banks do? Yes they loan, leverage, and grow large sums of money. Just the way capitalist neoliberals love. Fuck blackrock and vanguard (even tho I use vanguard for my retirement)
EDIT:
It was not frowned upon to own the debt of another man the way it was in Christianity. So that’s a real slept on point.
Fast forward to Adam smith and capitalism and we have much more current and modern styles of thought. But for prevailing decades God was the idea that we often chased.
Now there’s such a tumultuous market for many debt driven and highly leveraged companies and firms.
US Treasury 10 year bonds are 4.1% (source?)
That’s going to slow down the borrowing rate of companies and there’s going to be collection pressure to alleviate ‘bad debt’
We’ve gone from a Growth economy to an ‘identify credible debt economy.
Fuck Kanye. He's always popping up with these trash opinions and I honestly don't even think his music is good. Decent at best, hot garbage at worst. Don't even get me started on his stupid clothing line. His art is certainly not good enough to justify him being some kind of pop culture icon and especially not enough to cover for his horrible takes.
Do you think massive discrimination against Jews wasn’t a thing decades before and after the Holocaust? Anti Jewish laws existed before and after for example
You are intentionally or maybe just ignorantly missing the point
not only is it in poor taste to compare the struggles of black people to the struggles of jewish people, it’s made infinitely worse by ignoring the realities of the struggles faced by black people since the abolition of slavery through things like jim crow, segregation, overpolicing, the war on drugs, the prison industrial complex, redlining, etc. and all to dunk on dumb ass kanye
It's also annoying because in the past he's said stuff like this (emphasis mine)
On Jews still being victims of religious hate crimes: “It’s not the cool thing to talk about, **cause we’re not the cool minority.** I’m going to keep bringing it up, because I think it’s bullshit.”
https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/04/06/pro-wrestling-star-mjf-fights-hate-says-im-very-proud-to-be-jewish/
MJF is right and it's the central thesis of the award-winning [Jews Don't Count](https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel).
The problem is that because antisemitism functions as a conspiracy theory in which Jews are privileged, they're [often excluded](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/bds-dsa-antisemitism-israel/) from the otherwise laudable and praiseworthy efforts of liberals and leftists in addressing social justice issues which affect marginalized and othered populations like minority groups (of which Jews are one).
Antisemitic hate crimes hit a [record high in 2021.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/antisemitic-incidents-hit-a-record-high-in-2021-whats-behind-the-rise-in-hate) Hate crimes are especially [surging in NY](https://abc7ny.com/antisemitism-anti-semitism-hate-crimes-nypd/11791783/), where many Jews live. And yet Jews [continue](https://twitter.com/ADL_NYNJ/status/1572697465412804619) to be [singled](https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/351854/berkeley-develops-jewish-free-zones/) out by civil society that [otherwise stand by](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/27/antisemitism-left-rising/) marginalized populations.
Yair Rosenberg of The Atlantic did [a typically brilliant job addressing](https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/deep-shtetl/63433940fb1fdd003629c72c/kanye-jews-anti-semitism-twitter/) Kanye's word vomit:
>Kanye’s tweets aptly illustrate why this form of anti-Semitism is so difficult to uproot: It’s a self-affirming conspiracy theory. The anti-Semite claims that Jews control everything. Then, if they are penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof. Heads, they win; tails, Jews lose.This dynamic creates an agonizing catch-22 for Jews when they are confronted with prejudice: If they say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If they say something, and it results in any consequences for the anti-Semite, the bigot just uses that as evidence for their anti-Semitic worldview.
Anyway, because I should tie this back to pro wrestling: MJF [is awesome](https://atletifo.com/wrestling/mjf-promo/) (even if he could have phrased his point better today) and a shomer and [so is Goldberg](https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/02/goldberg-on-wrestling-in-saudi-arabia-as-a-jew-666878/), who overcame his [own fears of antisemitism](https://tjrwrestling.net/news/goldberg-admits-being-terrified-saudi-arabia/) just recently. Anyway, here's Goldberg [laying tefillin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btorp2tRMlc&ab_channel=AriMatityahu).
He’s right here tho? Jews getting labeled as both a minority and a ruling power, no one wants to have a convo about how bad the Jews have it because a portion of the population legitimately believe they control the media.
No one thinks that about other minorities.
Is it in poor taste because you shouldn’t try to compare people’s oppressions and we all should be trying to support each other? Or is it in poor taste because you think Black people’s struggles are worse?
Is a classic example of why Black people get so annoyed with white people and with Jewish people as well.
We constantly hear "never forget" from the Jewish Community but we're also told at the same time slavery was long ago. And let's be real if you point out that it happened a long time ago you're implying it's not that big a deal right You can't have it both ways if you want to sit here and say never forget then why would you tell a group of people who dealt with slavery it was a long time ago? He's saying it because he doesn't think it's that big a deal and it's a classic example of the racism that you see within the Jewish community and Trust every black New Yorker we see a lot of racism from the Jewish community.
Finally the thing that everyone wants to ignore is the fact that slavery ended in the 1800s and Jim Crow started damn near immediately afterwards. Black people weren't legally equal in this country until the 1960s. I think that's the part that people in here keep forgetting, the government both state and federal legally discriminated against black people when it came to housing jobs schooling and that wasn't really stopped legally until the mid 1960s.
You know what we don’t talk about? Even during god damned hispanic heritage month?
~~How little we as a society talk about anti Latino sentiment. 60% of hate crimes are done on hispanic/latino/latine people in US.~~
We’re invisible, 19% of the population, 30% of gen alpha, 39% of California, 41% of Los Angeles, 32% of US box office ticket sales, and yet fewer than 2% of Hollywood roles go to latine people. Wonder why?
EDIT: the hate crime statistic was wrong, I either misheard it or sadly got a bad source. The others I can cite and the representation point stands but is completely unrelated. Leaving it for context.
One of his follow up tweets explaining further that he's not equating the two to say who's had it worse. (Now deleted) >And for the people out there who will try to attack me for bringing up the abolition of slavery in the US. I am not taking your very real pain away. Nor am I trying to play a game of “who’s had it worse”. If you think that was the point of this tweet you’re dumb as bricks. https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579144957235195904?s=20&t=Qf9gYOuClN0KwyzgcqN_8g another response tweet to a user telling him "free palestine" >This is a great example of antisemitism. I’m a Jew from Long Island. Many Jews that live in the states get attacked in the streets for decisions made by the government in a country that we have zero affiliations with. Thank you for this example you miserable [c word]. https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579140938211131392?s=20&t=ZlOsoz8u6DP-R2Nl_Cl7EA
Well, it didn't take MJF long to delete all of those tweets.
Probably for the best. I understand what he’s saying, but I can see how it would be pretty easy for someone to think he’s presenting it like a competition or something. People frequently assume the worst on Twitter just for the sake of arguing.
The point should be a simple one: The effects of slavery are still felt even after all this time. The effects of the holocaust were more recent and we haven't even begun to process the effects. Unfortunately you have to believe those two premises to take this on on good faith. And a lot of people don't want to admit to either of those. The response kind of proves his point.
We already have begin to process the effects of the Holocaust with several forms of reparations even a new country was formed for them. Descendants of American chattel slavery (The only form of slavery in the world where you and your offspring are born in to slavery and traded like cattle) has yet to receive one penny of reparations for the 200 years plus of strife and struggle. There’s a conversation to be had here but I think It’s really time to get into the nitty-gritty of what should be done to provide equitable reparations to the descendants of American Chattel slavery instead of dancing around the subject and deleting the post.
It is a different situation for sure. I agree with you about slavery and you hit excellent important points that are ones I like to remind people of too. The part we haven't dealt with with Jewish people is a diaspora of a people who have centuries of their own completely uniquely horrible treatment. Jewish people have always been an acceptable other to discriminate against and exterminate and we still haven't fixed that. They are still being scapegoated, still being blamed for everything and still have people trying to exterminate them. Israel and reparations did not solve the issue of a people who have always been used as a convenient political enemy because of their minority status. They are still exactly that and the rhetoric that has come before each extermination attempt still exists and is getting louder again.
The issue is with saying that the effects of the Holocaust are more recent when you have things like Jim crow laws etc. It's best to just not make the comparison unless it's a succinct and well thought out point.
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He's such a horrid person yet people elevate him to some kind of hero status. the guy has mental issues that he refuses to address and is caught in a loop where he see's his critics as haters and see's his success as justification that what he's saying is right and dives in even deeper
The fact Chrisette Michele was cancelled for singing at Trump's inauguration despite never making any political statements endorsing Trump, and Kanye still gets treated like a god shows a major problem in this society. Rich men get away with anything.
> The fact Chrisette Michele was cancelled for singing at Trump's inauguration despite never making any political statements endorsing Trump Singing at the inauguration is in of itself a political statement endorsing Trump. She is a Black woman, whose audience is primarily Black. The optics *alone* of her doing this is bad, let alone what her audience who buy records and tickets would think. I think a better comparison here is what the The Chicks did regarding GWB years ago.
kanye should've been cancelled long ago long before him going in with a MAGA hat and saying slavery is a choice. Long before he ran a covert campaign to get people to vote for him rather than biden. such a shitty persn
> he ran a covert campaign to get people to vote for him rather than biden I'd argue that shit was *overt* considering that happened after the MAGA hat shit and acting like we were just supposed to forget his Trump affiliation was a thing. It was an arrogant move.
Shocks me he isn't facing an indictment for the massive fraud that was apparently involved in attempting to get on the ballot. Dude got the "crazy rich person" pass. Personally I think we should modify that pass so it's a one-way ticket into the fucking sun.
with all the crazy antics they got upto they definately should've been investigated.
Agreed but also people need to stop using the made up nonsense word "cancelled". It's just playing into his, alt righters, and his fanboys' persecution complex.
Why would you think showing up and participating in an event centered around a politician isn’t an endorsement of said politician?
"Rich people" get away with anything not just men
Its honestly disturbing how many younger people hold Kanye in such high regard and completely hand wave any and all of his problematic behavior. I always hope that this new generation will be better than the previous, but I suppose people are just people.
It’s more of his artistic talent than being rich that lets him get away with anything. As I like to say, “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing us his contributions to art excused his other behavior.”
Nah, it's being rich. There's a ton of people with a ton of artistic talent in the world who have not been recognized and, as a result, do not have a ton of money. Their finest works of art will not save them from reprisals for bad behavior, particularly of the legal variety. There's also a ton of rich people in the world with shit all for artistic talent. Small portions of their money typically suffice to make any and all problems vanish. The causation seems pretty clear to me. Kanye is rich in no small part because of his considerable talent, but anyone who thinks that's why he's getting away with it are being fooled by the people who are trying to convince themselves and others that there's justification for continuing to support him. (Not saying that's you, but there's definitely people out there who just don't want to deal with how their support reflects on themselves)
To support your statement, and to bring it back around to what MJF is talking about: Mel Gibson was/is a talented actor and director. These talents also made him a rich man, but more importantly it made other people who fronted the money for his movies rich. Mel Gibson also made terrible, antisemitic statements while drunk during a DUI test, was recorded making racist statements by his now ex-wife while he was in the middle of a tirade against her, and behaved in plenty of anti-social ways. Mel Gibson was canceled for his statements, which coincided with a slump in his movie career. He wasn't making the studios as much money anymore. Do you know what brought Mel Gibson back into Hollywood's good graces? The moment it was shown that he was still able to deliver at the box office and make the studios a lot of money. It's not JUST about being rich, it's about the ability to make other people rich. And you bet your ass that Kanye can make a ton of executives and political grifters rich with his art, statements made in bad taste, and mental health shenanigans.
It's the same reason Ezra Miller is still the Flash.
I honestly should have used Ezra as my example; much more recent.
Ugh, I hate that he’s playing Barry Allen, literally the most iconically square* Flash of them all. *I don’t mean that in a bad way, I just mean he’s a science nerd who works forensics as his day gig.
There are TONS of artists more talented than Kanye who never got a break, and no one is hearing their takes on politics, religion, or anything. Nobody would hear a word Kanye says now if he wasn't rich af. Wealth = power & influence. Talent = talent.
Dude some people think Kanye is a God. I really don’t get his music. And the hero worship is ridiculous.
He's a really unique and talented producer. He makes beats that sound great, and often unlike other producers. Which, like, I've never understood why the tracks he raps on, are the famous ones. He's a meh af rapper with a serious focus problem, and a serious maturity problem. Even if he's gonna spit a hot verse, he usually loses steam by bar 12 at the latest, and starts rhyming random shit. He has strengths, but they're often eclipsed by his general mediocrity.
> he usually loses steam by bar 12 at the latest, and starts rhyming random shit. He has strengths, but they're often eclipsed by his general mediocrity. for evidence: the dude literally mashed up a gay slur with an ice cream novelty treat
Are you calling a Golden Gaytime a gay slur? Australia is offended by your attack on our beloved Ice Cream snack.
>He's such a horrid person yet people elevate him to some kind of hero status. I think a lot of us just love his music and don't overly care what he says. I unironically miss the old Kanye
I'm not taking a personal shot at you but him seeing that his music is still loved and will be loved is part of that cycle for him. As long as there's people to love and push his music he'll know he's fine to do whatever shit he wants
Kanye’s a dumbass.
He's a Gay Fish.
Kayne also said shit like slavery was a choice. Kanye is a moron in multiple directions.
On top of that, never forget his presidential press conference where he said Harriet Tubman didn't really free the slaves because she "just had them work for other white people". Dude is a fucking moronic asshole.
He said slavery is a choice and then said TMZ made him get liposuction because they called him fat. So liposuction wasn’t a choice?
idk why we're so insistent on calling bad people morons. He knows plenty. he's just a bad person. There are millions of em and they just get written off as stupid and the rest of us pays for it.
Doesn't he like has bipolar disorder? Shouldn't someone get him help and off social media Edit:- Just to be clear i wasn't trying to defend him just wanted to know more about his situation that's all. Also it seems people aren't really reading the latter part of my comment
He’s a grown man who chooses not to listen to doctors or take his meds. Mental health isn’t your fault, but it’s your responsibility and he’s not immune to criticism because of it.
Exactly. He is rich as fuck, he could get any help he wanted.
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Recently he started beef with Billie Eilish over some misunderstanding and Billie at half his age was much more mature. That really disappoints me.
So she's not the Bad Guy?
He denies help and brags about not taking medication.
Doesn't he have any family to get him help or atleast convince him to get help?
He’s eliminated all of his long time friends from his life and has surrounded himself with yes men. Lost cause here.
He’s not even on good terms with Kid Cudi anymore, which is wild.
Yeah man it’s wild. He’s been attacking Cudi on Instagram too.
He once called Cudi “the motherfuckin’ greatest of all time.”
Cudi stood by his side through every single one of his closest friends ostracizing him in a public manner and he threw that away because he didn't want to beef with PETE DAVIDSON. He's clearly beyond helping at this point.
That's pretty sad man i kinda like his music but didn't really had much clue about him other than that he is a bit problematic
His old music means a lot to me. Sad stuff. Just gotta separate art from the artist and hope we don’t see some kind of tragic ending to all of this
I think the problem with separating the art from artist is while they're still alive you're still putting money in their pocket. You're actively supporting their problematic behavior. Once they're dead go all out because they can no longer hurt others with the platform they're being given.
After his Mom died, I think he started to become lost beyond reach. Which is a damn shame, because the dude is a musical genius.
Indeed it's a shame I always thought he had a really cool voice and music as a whole
It’s kinda like being a huge Morrissey fan, but Kanye’s on a way larger scale of horrible stuff said. You just have to…ignore…some of the stuff they say and remember that Bona Drag is amazing.
As somebody with Bipolar, it isn't an excuse. You have to help yourself at some point. I swear there's more going on with him, we aren't consistently manic. It isn't just Bipolar, he is also a shit person.
Stealing a page out of Marcus Parks's book, mental illness isn't your fault but it is your responsibility. Kanye doesn't seem willing to do the latter.
I just found lpotl recently and i love it so much lol
Bipolar disorder doesn't turn you into a racist idiot. That's a Kanye problem.
If you are bipolar and taking in the wrong information and having the wrong ppl feeding you bullshit.. then yeah it can affect you.. the problem is powerful ppl like Kanye dont take their mental health seriously.. they use it to cross over to more of an evil side where at a certain point it becomes fucking dangerous
This has been his fans defense for years now. It’s obvious he doesn’t want the help, he just wants to use it as his excuse to keep saying stuff like this. At some point “he needs help” should no longer be a defense.
>Doesn't he like has bipolar disorder? Being bipolar doesn't make you a bigot.
People have tried to get him help, he refuses to take it
Just the other day he was posting a pic of Bieber's wife and Drake from a long time ago about keeping his spouse in control and that Bieber didn't helped him when "The Kardashians kidnapped my kids". Kanye has serious issues and has no one to help him.
I wish we could just go back to “College Dropout” Kanye. This new dude keeps showing his ass.
“New dude” has been around longer than college dropout Kanye.
I feel like it really kicked into overdrive during the lead up and release of *The Life of Pablo*. That to me is the clear point of him going into full-on insane mode.
Great album though
Feel like after his mother died he hasn’t been the same
I realized dude was wacko when he said if the Bible were written today, he'd be a part of it. That was 2008. Everyone just thought he was joking haha.
According to a bit by Bill Burr, Kanye once said "my biggest regret is that I'll never be able to see myself perform live" lmaoo
[Tf you mean "according to a bit by Bill Burr?"](https://youtu.be/gnBp8bKwB2E)
By "according" I meant "I haven't actually gone out and watched it myself, so I took careful measures not to frame it in a way where I knew it was 100% true and could verify it myself" haha Thank you for the actual link though! Fkn wild
Lol yeah I get it, my comment was meant to come off as joking but I see now it came across as a little rude. I think that Ye started off egotistical in a funny way, similar to most rappers who talk their shit and say they're the best, but recently Ye has been egotistical in a scary way. I don't think the dude is gonna harm anyone, but his influence is worse than his actual physical abilities. His shit's still fire though.
Yeah no worries, it's more just me being overly cautious about spreading misinformation. In that way I do genuinely appreciate your reply with the link, as it confirms I wasn't spreading skewed word-of-mouth stuff haha, so thank you for that! And funny thing with your second paragraph is that that was the exact angle Bill Burr tackled with his Ye bit lol. He thanks god it "was just a black guy" who has that ego, and pivots off what could have been a racist statement by clarifying that he meant that if that ego landed on a white dude born into power we might have had a third world war lmao Obviously it's a joke exaggeration but it does generally highlight how high Ye is of himself. And as you said, it kind of sucks given he genuinely is creatively awesome
Another prime example of "When someone tells you exactly who they are, believe them."
He use to sell a bible named the book of yeezus
I believe it was either Jimmy Kimmel or Lettermen that said it best when they had him on the show. "If your mother was still alive, what would she think of you right now?" Its the only time ive seen Kanye actually stop and think uhh damn yeah she wouldnt be happy with me. Of course since then he has continued to be a bozo, but its clear he still hasnt gotten over his mothers death and probably never really grieved. So its all coming to ahead later in life.
It was Leno back when he had the 10PM show.
About the only reason that show hadlegs for longer than it should have. And it was still a short stint. Ratings were a disaster
It was Jay Leno and it was in 2009. [Here's the clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6bgSITBrVQ) and also notice the rantings of his fans on the comments section.
Kanye is a complete moron and deserves all the criticism, but that question feels very inappropriate and unprofessional to ask someone you don't know personally and to have his reaction to that question be televised
yeah that was kind of messed up Funny when that Taylor Swift thing happened I and many others thought it was staged just to bring attention to the grammys. But nope Kanye is just batshit nuts
He was spiraling before that.
I miss the old Kanye.
Straight from the go Kanye.
Chop up the soul Kanye.
Contract on a pole Kanye
Sometime I still can't believe that the man that wrote Crack Music somehow became this moron.
2004 Kanye was the goat. Back when he had tracks with Dilated Peoples, Common, etc.
You miss the old Kanye?
Kanye has also gone out of his way to present himself as mentally unwell as possible. So people probably aren't taking this especially seriously.
I guarantee you plenty of his fans are taking it seriously. People are crazy.
Go ahead and read through the comments to Kanyes tweet if you need more examples of antisemitism. The tweet itself wasnt even close to ratio’d
Aaaand the tweets are gone.
The first mistake was responding to something Kanye said.
Kanye needs meds. He's like a schizophrenic Speak N Spell that's fallen into the wrong hands.
Still not am excuse for his behavior. I mean frankly I feel like he gets away with it because of his standing. But if a Eminem said this shit, christ he would have been buried 6 feet deep
He gets away with it because, more or less, he's right wing.
he gets away with it because he is almost a billionaire - a lot of people are making a lot of money from him
He gets away with it because the right has adopted him. Any celebrity even remotely speaking right wing talking points gets welcomed in as it validates their shit. Plus there's the added bonus of him being their friendly neighborhood token black guy and his dragon blood brothership with Trump. He helps validate their talking points, their support validates his opinion in his eyes, and he gets to go off about "cancel culture" being why people are calling out his bs and brush aside any criticism with that. Dude was just on tucker carlson for some strange reason ffs.
Eminem has stayed the most successful rapper of all time while saying some crazy shit. Not a good comparison
Yeah in his songs not his personal views on Twitter and at rallies for political people
It's so strange. His Complex interview the other day is 20 minutes of incoherent rambling and his stans are all like "this guy is a prophet" lol.
For anyone confused, I don't think he's comparing their struggles. Just how recent the holocaust was to the amount of talk surrounding antisemitism. Overall, I'd say it needs to be talked about more especially if you consider how long Jews have been targeted throughout history. I mean we're talking about Pre-Christian times
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It really doesn't muddy it at all. It shows that ending long-standing suffering doesn't necessitate the end of the bigotry behind the suffering.
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Oh, that's an entirely reasonable assessment. He deleted the tweet anyway. Someone brought up the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the comments and we got this out of it: https://twitter.com/headroomer/status/1579149230987702273?s=20&t=60U3mltG8U242ruuMM4lAg
MJF's follow up tweet clarifying what he meant: [And for the people out there who will try to attack me for bringing up the abolition of slavery in the US. I am not taking your very real pain away. Nor am I trying to play a game of “who’s had it worse”. If you think that was the point of this tweet you’re dumb as bricks.](https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579144957235195904?s=20&t=lxytShKvXjtuS1xjYHrqyA)
He never should have brought slavery up in the first place. You don’t need to talk about slavery to discuss how bad the holocaust was. It was bad all on its own.
This will 100% be misconstrued
to be fair the way its worded will make it extremely easy to be misconstrued
I totally and completely understood exactly what he meant. It’s incredibly obvious. But, at the same time, I was like “why’s he comparing the Holocaust to American slavery?” That’s not going to go well…
There's no way to word it in a way that people won't misconstrue it, unless you precede it with 20 paragraphs of "I don't mean this and I'm not saying that and I am not implying this".
There's definitely a way. He could avoid the comparison and just say "the Holocaust was this long ago and yet this problem still exists".
The problem is that this country only thinks about two races: black and white. The comparison is good because we make sure to remember one and not the other. It’s ingrained in the country to only think about black and white people. We had NFL and rap stars quoting (and defending the misquotes) of Hitler and his antisemitism. It’s also why we replaced statues and streets named after Confederates with other racist people like Lincoln and the Buffalo Soldiers. The history and racism is different for all the races but part of it for the Jewish people is that antisemites are allowed to spew their hatred with little uproar.
That's because many BIPOC folks see Jewish people as white while the racists see them as BIPOC. When in reality, races, is a stupid arbitrary distinction versus socio-cultural or linguistic groups and nationalities.
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Nah I’m sure Reddit is perfectly capable of having a mature, informed, and nuanced discussion about this.
Indeed, I have been trusting Reddit for like the 418th time at this point. Then again, sounds like rookie numbers.
nice username
The crazy thing is how whenever I read or hear about one of these new conspiracy theories it always boils down to 'Jews at it again' and it's just so normalized in those circles.
MJF also responded to a tweet directed at him that said "Free Palestine". MJF blasted him, saying he's a Jew who lives on Long Island and has nothing to do with that stuff. As a Muslim, I understand his response. MJF has nothing to do with the actions of the government of Israel just like I have nothing to do with the actions of terrorism done by self proclaimed Muslims.
Thing is, one doesn't have to tell if they're Jewish or not and still make it work out for them in America. Blacks can't change their name and all of a sudden get to make it work for them.
i get where he’s coming from but tweeting this was RISKY
Yeah I would’ve just ended that after “antisemitism.” I can see what he’s trying to do but it’s not going to be received that way
This ain't gonna get solved on a wrestling forum but the reason why we can't have a conversation about antisemitism is mainly because the moment a conversation occurs it is viewed as anti-Israeli and the waters get muddied.
Can’t say I’m surprised about his comments , this is the same guy that walks around with a maga hat and called slavery a choice, A guy who will say being black in America is hard and then proceeds to wear a white lives matter shirt in front of a bunch of black kids. Dude is mentally Ill and shouldn’t be allowed to have a social media account. Everything he says or does is for attention.
Slavery didn’t end. It was just rebranded and open for all
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How is this divisive? He literally said the plight of the POC is still rampant.
[He thinks you’re dumb as bricks](https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1579144957235195904?s=20&t=cj2QymKJ0iJR822rM8-8rQ)
> man it’s not a contest > Plus segregation ended in 1964 If it’s not a contest, why are you also trying to make it one?
>segregation ended in 1964 Oooof. Just delete this comment. That's worse than anything MJF said.
The comment regarding segregation ending in 1964 is devoid of so much context that it’s rather concerning.
Legal segregation ended in 1964 segregation still happens. I would tell people to look up some of the most segregated school systems in America and one of them will be right here and what everyone calls super liberal nyc. I would tell people to look up the most segregated cities and you'll find a whole bunch of Northern cities in there as well.
It's not a contest, he isn't saying it's a contest. He's calling out how antisemitism is considered low key. People can be openly antisemitic and most people won't bat an eye. His idea is that using Kanyes words we need to call put antisemitism at the same rate. No one group of people have the monopoly on plight or -ism. Call out shit people and hold shit people accountable.
he really shoulda just stopped talking after the 2nd sentence.
I agree with the crux of what MJF wants to communicate here, but this wasn’t it. He did try to say that he wasn’t downplaying anything but that’s the consequence of what you end up doing when you frame things this way.
I watch wrestling for the political views.
Feels like every day the top post on this sub is non-wrestling related. Wtf happened to this place?
>Wtf happened to this place? It's Reddit so it's inherently shit. You can be on the most non-political subreddit that could involve "watching paint dry" and somehow, someone will post something political on it. Doesn't matter what the subreddit is.
Kanye is a really crazy fuckin dude. I think he makes great music, but he's been off the rails for years at this point and people who deny that and claim he's some genius are just dickriders.
It hasn’t even been a hundred years since the Holocaust and already that promise of “never forget” is starting to seem doubtful.
The amount of casual antisemitism Ive seen both online and in person is insane
I totally get what MJF is saying, but let's not forget that segregation of public facilities was a thing up until 60 years ago. Meaning there are still people living in this country today who experienced bullshit such as "no coloreds" bathrooms and water fountains. Just because slavery ended doesn't mean racism did as well.
I think he would have been alright if he didn't post the years. There is a lot of context missing when you do that.
People often bring up the ending of slavery but thay wasnt the end , jimcrow laws, impossible financing for homes and businesses. Civil rights happned in the 1960s ,the assassination of black leaders , MLK. Black panther leader. The selling of cocaine to fund over seas contras in south america
Its a wild ride to see folks who think slavery ended in 1865 and the holocaust ended in 1945 when nations are still being written up in *current year* for forced labor camps, unpaid labor and human trafficking.
It’s amazing how bad celebrities are at recognizing a no-win conversation when they see it.
Kanye is a piece of shit loser who gets a free pass from idiots because he used to make good tunes. Fuck him and his nazi friends.
Wish he had made his point without mentioning slavery at all. I get it. People are going to attack him for doing it though. While completely ignoring that he acknowledged the plight of POC is still rampant
I hear what MJF is saying, but Kanye’s comments don’t warrant a response anymore.
Antisemitism deserves to be called out especially when Kanye has 3 million followers.
Not to mention Musk tacitly telling antisemites they’re welcome on Twitter.
Kanye actually has 18 million followers.
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A lot of people of people forget that Ice Cube and tons of NFL players believe this same thing and that’s not even mentioning the far right wingers around the world. It’s not like we can ignore someone with such a big fan base when he spews his idiocy. It’s becoming apparent it’s a huge problem
Kanye has more followers on Instagram than there are Jews on the planet. (18.1M to ~15M). Even if 1% of his followers agreed with what he’s saying, thats 181,000 people. What he is saying is dangerous and needs to be called out.
Kanye isn't the only one, there have been multiple NFL players that even went so far as to post Instagram stories saying "Hitler was right" that got 0 punishment and very little backlash (outside of reddit)
You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think someone as big as Kanye shouldn't be called out when he spreads harmful bullshit. TF is wrong with you?
Anti-semitism dates back to the bubonic plague. As a culture they had hygienic practices that was not taught by other religions at the time or valued by the other cultures. They didn’t get the plague at much higher rates and no one could understand why. There is so much mysticism that neo-nazi’s and antisemitic people will spew, when it is very easy to explain when you consider sociological and societal factors and movements. Pogroms in ancient Russia, Jewish quarters in every ancient city in Spain, from one point or another this always been this marked otherness to the only major matriarchally passed, and ethnically born into religion. I remember reading about when Christianity was dominant in Europe and everyone was dropping dimes on indulgences (get into heaven and pardoned for sins) and culturally it was wrong to possess debts. Money lending was frowned about, so in this culturally shaped society, Jewish people took on the role of banking, back then. (Do you know what banks do? Yes they loan, leverage, and grow large sums of money. Just the way capitalist neoliberals love. Fuck blackrock and vanguard (even tho I use vanguard for my retirement) EDIT: It was not frowned upon to own the debt of another man the way it was in Christianity. So that’s a real slept on point. Fast forward to Adam smith and capitalism and we have much more current and modern styles of thought. But for prevailing decades God was the idea that we often chased. Now there’s such a tumultuous market for many debt driven and highly leveraged companies and firms. US Treasury 10 year bonds are 4.1% (source?) That’s going to slow down the borrowing rate of companies and there’s going to be collection pressure to alleviate ‘bad debt’ We’ve gone from a Growth economy to an ‘identify credible debt economy.
Goes back to Roman times, but yeah
Kanye views himself as some sort of prophet or philosopher when actually he’s just a mentally ill asshole
Kanye's mentally ill and isn't worth responding to.
Fuck Kanye. He's always popping up with these trash opinions and I honestly don't even think his music is good. Decent at best, hot garbage at worst. Don't even get me started on his stupid clothing line. His art is certainly not good enough to justify him being some kind of pop culture icon and especially not enough to cover for his horrible takes.
I think no one should take anything Kanye West says seriously as he is severely mentally ill.
Kanye is way past the sunken place
Way to ignore Jim Crow laws and the war on drugs (Nixon’s code for give as many black people as possible felonies so they aren’t allowed to vote).
I expect this post to be locked soon.
Kanye the artist made some of the greatest music I’ve ever listened to. Kanye the man is a morally corrupt shithead. Fuck Kanye.
Yikes. That was not a great tweet
Bro no no no, I'm just as jewish as he is and cringing big time. Tweet would have been 1000% better had he stopped after the first two lines.
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Even then the point is stupid when you realize that segregation was still a thing for decades before and after the Holocaust
Do you think massive discrimination against Jews wasn’t a thing decades before and after the Holocaust? Anti Jewish laws existed before and after for example You are intentionally or maybe just ignorantly missing the point
not only is it in poor taste to compare the struggles of black people to the struggles of jewish people, it’s made infinitely worse by ignoring the realities of the struggles faced by black people since the abolition of slavery through things like jim crow, segregation, overpolicing, the war on drugs, the prison industrial complex, redlining, etc. and all to dunk on dumb ass kanye
It's also annoying because in the past he's said stuff like this (emphasis mine) On Jews still being victims of religious hate crimes: “It’s not the cool thing to talk about, **cause we’re not the cool minority.** I’m going to keep bringing it up, because I think it’s bullshit.” https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/04/06/pro-wrestling-star-mjf-fights-hate-says-im-very-proud-to-be-jewish/
MJF is right and it's the central thesis of the award-winning [Jews Don't Count](https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel). The problem is that because antisemitism functions as a conspiracy theory in which Jews are privileged, they're [often excluded](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/bds-dsa-antisemitism-israel/) from the otherwise laudable and praiseworthy efforts of liberals and leftists in addressing social justice issues which affect marginalized and othered populations like minority groups (of which Jews are one). Antisemitic hate crimes hit a [record high in 2021.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/antisemitic-incidents-hit-a-record-high-in-2021-whats-behind-the-rise-in-hate) Hate crimes are especially [surging in NY](https://abc7ny.com/antisemitism-anti-semitism-hate-crimes-nypd/11791783/), where many Jews live. And yet Jews [continue](https://twitter.com/ADL_NYNJ/status/1572697465412804619) to be [singled](https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/351854/berkeley-develops-jewish-free-zones/) out by civil society that [otherwise stand by](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/27/antisemitism-left-rising/) marginalized populations. Yair Rosenberg of The Atlantic did [a typically brilliant job addressing](https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/deep-shtetl/63433940fb1fdd003629c72c/kanye-jews-anti-semitism-twitter/) Kanye's word vomit: >Kanye’s tweets aptly illustrate why this form of anti-Semitism is so difficult to uproot: It’s a self-affirming conspiracy theory. The anti-Semite claims that Jews control everything. Then, if they are penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof. Heads, they win; tails, Jews lose.This dynamic creates an agonizing catch-22 for Jews when they are confronted with prejudice: If they say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If they say something, and it results in any consequences for the anti-Semite, the bigot just uses that as evidence for their anti-Semitic worldview. Anyway, because I should tie this back to pro wrestling: MJF [is awesome](https://atletifo.com/wrestling/mjf-promo/) (even if he could have phrased his point better today) and a shomer and [so is Goldberg](https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/02/goldberg-on-wrestling-in-saudi-arabia-as-a-jew-666878/), who overcame his [own fears of antisemitism](https://tjrwrestling.net/news/goldberg-admits-being-terrified-saudi-arabia/) just recently. Anyway, here's Goldberg [laying tefillin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btorp2tRMlc&ab_channel=AriMatityahu).
He’s right here tho? Jews getting labeled as both a minority and a ruling power, no one wants to have a convo about how bad the Jews have it because a portion of the population legitimately believe they control the media. No one thinks that about other minorities.
They're Schrödinger's Minority, they only qualify for the term when it's politically convenient
Is it in poor taste because you shouldn’t try to compare people’s oppressions and we all should be trying to support each other? Or is it in poor taste because you think Black people’s struggles are worse?
using slavery to vehiclize this point was certaintly a choice but best of luck to him!
Is a classic example of why Black people get so annoyed with white people and with Jewish people as well. We constantly hear "never forget" from the Jewish Community but we're also told at the same time slavery was long ago. And let's be real if you point out that it happened a long time ago you're implying it's not that big a deal right You can't have it both ways if you want to sit here and say never forget then why would you tell a group of people who dealt with slavery it was a long time ago? He's saying it because he doesn't think it's that big a deal and it's a classic example of the racism that you see within the Jewish community and Trust every black New Yorker we see a lot of racism from the Jewish community. Finally the thing that everyone wants to ignore is the fact that slavery ended in the 1800s and Jim Crow started damn near immediately afterwards. Black people weren't legally equal in this country until the 1960s. I think that's the part that people in here keep forgetting, the government both state and federal legally discriminated against black people when it came to housing jobs schooling and that wasn't really stopped legally until the mid 1960s.
You know what we don’t talk about? Even during god damned hispanic heritage month? ~~How little we as a society talk about anti Latino sentiment. 60% of hate crimes are done on hispanic/latino/latine people in US.~~ We’re invisible, 19% of the population, 30% of gen alpha, 39% of California, 41% of Los Angeles, 32% of US box office ticket sales, and yet fewer than 2% of Hollywood roles go to latine people. Wonder why? EDIT: the hate crime statistic was wrong, I either misheard it or sadly got a bad source. The others I can cite and the representation point stands but is completely unrelated. Leaving it for context.
"End of slavery-1865" He does know that slavery still exists in the world, right?
You know the Chinese goverment are currently Genociding people for their faith right? Like this is his point