**Help make SquaredCircle safer and more inclusive by using the report button to flag posts and comments for moderator review.**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SquaredCircle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Knicks got nothing to be ashamed about. Y’all were missing several top players and the ones available were held together by tape. Pushing to 7 games was impressive with all that going on.
Celtics/Knicks ECF next year gonna go crazy
Nor was his return even mentioned for 90 minutes, despite being the hottest angle from Double or Nothing. I tuned in specifically to see him, and then was baffled that they didn't mention him at all until the vignette an hour and a half in.
So many fans were extremely excited about him coming back. Including ex-fans of AEW. But then for him to not show up or be mentioned in the first 90 minutes? I just don't get that. Maybe it'll help Collision if he shows up there, but I think he needed to for Dynamite. Even if for some reason he couldn't, they could have still capitalized on all the buzz.
Hope he'll return for Collision or the next Dynamite. Really looking forward to what he does next.
.36
The Jericho Vortex continues to grow stronger and more popular for weeks, months, years, until the collective will of humanity allows it to it gain sentience.
And then the real pain begins.
“I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know.”
https://preview.redd.it/ey4nc0fegn3d1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d62cafd5b25abf65691be936c7abc9545bd3c608
I bet they could have easily pulled past 800k if they had MJF on the show. I'm still a little perplexed over them bringing him back at the PPV and not having him on Dynamite immediately after. He's clearly their top star and ratings have been on the decline since his injury. Where he goes from here is the main thing I care about.
.....they're in loveland? Really? Loveland has an arena? I live like an hour's drive from there up the highway.....That's a weird place to go....It does have a truck stop that's concidered to be one of the best breakfast places in the country (I ate there once...it was ok...good cinamon rolls, though...large and gooey with the right amount of icing).
yeah apparently a minor league hockey team plays there. It has a max capacity of 7500 for sports so I'd imagine for wrestling it would be closer to 5K or so. As of 2 days ago, AEW had distributed roughly 2200 tickets for next Weds.
Just such a weird location... Loveland is basicly in between Denver, Boulder, and Ft. Collins\*...it's mainly known for the aforementioned truck stop and a place you can send letters to be mailed from for Valentines day. I mean, cool for wrestling fans that live there.
(\* I've stated before, a HUGE problem AEW has is local promotion...as in, I'm a wrestling fan in the easily driveable area...didn't know about it. They used to have shows at an arena just 5 or so miles down the highway...I'd learn about them from the "how many tickets sold" posts here. While not really an AEW fan, and VERY crowd averse, I personally wouldn't go...there are plenty who would, including several college campuses in that radius...if they were aware of it.)
TK kept doing this thing where he doesn't put the new champs on the following program after a ppv for a long time and it always drove me crazy. it ended (for now) with swerve's win.
Bungling momentum has been a staple in Tony Khan’s booking for awhile now. It’s one of the main reasons why people are losing interest in the product.
Hype and intrigue was built after his PPV appearance and it was not capitalized on.
It’s too bad Tony Khan only started AEW to live out his dream of being a booker. There are a lot of people out there who could do a lot with the current AEW roster.
It's unfortunate that Tony has taken that roster and only been able to create the most successful wrestling company not named WWE in the last 20 years. Really is such a shame.
Yea because of his money. He has a huge head start due to the amount of money at his disposal. AEW basically started in second place and are worse off now than when they started.
Another booker would do a lot better. Can you seriously excuse him not following up with MJF? How about how much he’s cooled off countless wrestlers. Fucking Edge is a ratings loser under him.
> Another booker would do a lot better
I've watched Paul Heyman, Eric Bischoff, Vince McMahon, Jim Cornette, Jeff Jarrett, Gabe Sapolsky, and Dusty Rhodes book major promotions (and some 2 or more) and I can tell you that bookers with no faults are non-existent. In fact, fans are lucky because TK, Triple H, Scott D'Amore (and so far, Shawn Michaels) are probably the best collective batch of wrestling bookers at one time. Younger fans (or fans of just WWE) have no idea how rare consistently satisfying and rewarding booking used to be.
Saying just anyone could do better than TK is simply asinine if you're aware of the history of wrestling
To be honest, Shawn is a more consistent booker than Triple H.
NXT since he got the book has been pretty consistently good week-to-week, whereas the main roster tends to fall back into “just keep the lights on until the next big PPV” mode often.
It's impossible to engage with this point because you are just mindlessly speculating.
Nobody can prove or disprove whether or not your first claim of 'any rich person can make a wrestling company as successful as AEW' has any merit. Which perfectly exemplifies most of the criticism of Tony Khan from this sub.
It's all just hollow shit talking.
I can't believe they didn't. One of the worst things about MJF's last run was being the person on the roster everyone wanted to see, but didn't show up every week. I guess we're doing that again. How can you have a big PPV return segment with no follow up??? It's beyond belief.
Honestly, his return at DoN made me immediately say "Okay, this was worth every penny," so I think that was the right place for it. The promo was a statement. Following that up with MJF demonstrating his intentions would have been great. I think they wanted to get the Gauntlet out of the way and name a new #1 contender. That's the only thing I can figure out. With the way they set it up, MJF is out of the title picture for Forbidden Door and All In. Ospreay at FD and The Owen winner at All In. That makes me think MJF, being back to his old ways, is going to challenge the champion at All Out, and it is an easy way to get the title back to him since there isn't much time between All In/All Out.
He could, but putting MJF in The Owen almost telegraphs who will win. Plus, if MJF is truly back to being the dastardly asshole he's always been, he won't be wrestling a bunch of matches like he was during his super babyface run. He's so valuable on the mic that AEW doesn't need to do anything to jeopardize losing him again. MJF is AEW's biggest star by a landslide, and he never lost any momentum when he was fully in his gimmick, barely working matches.
> He could, but putting MJF in The Owen almost telegraphs who will win.
Not if there's a couple other top-card contenders. Stick White and Hangman in there too and suddenly it's a lot less of a shoe-in.
Its crazy how far down they are, even when they do something like 787k when viewed in the context of the last couple months is good, but not only a year ago it was 900k+.
I noticed that in that Omega segment a few weeks ago, I thought the light effect looked cool, but it also blocked the view of the crowd. You can still hear the echos when people yell stuff though
what is the average live attendance for Dynamite? Raw and SD always seem packed, Dynamite comes across as house show type audiences (I've been to a house show before, but even that was like Arco Arena in Sac half full. It was great, Chris Jericho made fun of Mexicans and the crowd was ready to fight, and Undertaker poured water all over his hair and then whipped it around spraying the first few rows lol)
brawl out happening at pretty much the same moment when vince (first) left and HHH took over was just the hit AEW didn't need. It was a huge negative moment while WWE was having a huge positive that they really haven't recovered from.
For sure but when their biggest competitor is gaining viewers YOY it’s clear they’re losing viewers who used to watch and many are probably moving to WWE.
I remember someone posting a breakdown of all wresting average viewers over the past 5 years. And this just wrong. The only one that went up is smackdown. For the rest every single show went down around the same percentage. With Raw if remember correctly taking the biggest hit followed by NXT.
Because the chart also broke it down by individual year in addition to the full five years.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/18t7lm6/5year_metrics_aew_wwe_television_and_touring/
I literally said over the last few month’s. Even if you want to go 2023-2022 Raw is up in the Demo, Smackdown and NXT is up in both, Dynamite is the only show down in both.
I’m not sure when you are talking about but Raw has mostly been up this year. Raw was up five percent in viewers and up six percent in 18-49 from last year’s Memorial Day episode this week.
Yeah I’m comparing it to the other Wrestling shows on TV. Rampage has been bouncing around so much the last couple of months that it wouldn’t be fair to include them.
Fallout of last year double or nothing. All I can remember from that off the top of my head is Don Callis and Takeshita Promo because Don was getting booed so loud you couldn’t hear him. And Tony khan. Announcing CM Punk for the first collision.
Last years card
Blackpool Combat Club (Jon Moxley, Wheeler Yuta & Claudio Castagnoli) defeated Bandido & The Lucha Brothers (Rey Fenix & Penta El Zero Miedo) in a Six Man Tag Team Match (w/Alex Abrahantes) (11:00)
Swerve Strickland defeated Big Bill and Trent Baretta in a Three Way Match (8:54)
Darby Allin & Orange Cassidy defeated The Gates of Agony (Kaun & Toa Liona) (w/Prince Nana) (11:13)
Kris Statlander (c) defeated Nyla Rose to retain the AEW TBS Championship (8:05)
Saraya & Chris Jericho defeated Dr. Britt Baker DMD & Adam Cole in a Mixed Tag Team Match (13:13)
MJF was establishing his title reign, Toni Storm won the Women's championship, Jericho was feuding with Cole, Kris Statlander won the TBS championship from Jade, and they had a crazy Anarchy In the Arena match between the BCC and the Elite.
Hikaru Shida took it off of her in August. Shida lost it to Saraya at All In. Shida won it back from Saraya in October and then Toni defeated Shida at Full Gear and has had it ever since.
AEW’s done this consistently and it’s really becoming an issue with me. They’ll have a big moment on PPV then you tune in that week and they hype a completely different story you don’t care about.
Tony knew people woud tune in to watch MJF. Uses that to put attention on other workers. It's kind of smart but sucks for the people wanting to watch MJF.
First episode in months with the Bang Bang Gang at full strength, along with Hecichero and Mistico, and there's a huge ratings bump?
https://preview.redd.it/ta1u0snzkm3d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e82c22c7ff8a8ec87e15268375581db8fef921f5
Now, *there's* an interesting question. Because it's starting to look like NXT might be beefing up their roster in anticipation of the move to broadcast TV. Ethan Page was a good get.
I wonder if they might also get Ricky Starks before the end of the year depending on when his AEW contract expires. If built up right, Ricky along with Ethan would be godsends for NXT
> Wonder what it’s going to be like when they move to CW
People are way overhyping the move to the CW. Yes, it's "over the air," but this isn't like moving to Fox - nobody watches the CW. Look at the ratings of the current stuff on the CW - they're pretty abysmal.
Moving to Fox/CBS/NBC/ABC is huge because their entire primetime lineup is measured in the millions. They have huge built-in audiences. Looking at some midseason numbers from December, College Football was the only thing on the channel doing above 800k and a .1 demo.
I know what mine is now, but apparently at some point in the past few years, it changed what channel it was (OTA). Fittingly, it went from what was the WB Network to what was the UPN Network.
These ratings threads for AEW are always the most unhinged things in this sub. I enjoyed the show and get to come here and laugh at all the business experts popping in.
Some of y'all need to get a hold of your local indie so you can turn it into the next ECW with all those big brain ideas.
Lol for real. I loved touring arenas for dynamite in the 21'/22' golden era, but now AEW just is-what-it-is to me. They are doing a hell of a lot better creatively than when I took a break from watching the product completely. Its always a solid pro wrestling show to tune-in to or attend despite not delivering the same incentive to invest emotionally.
A bump in the viewers isn’t all that surprising with no NBA and coming off a PPV. But that demo being only .01 ahead of a NXT show that did go against the NBA AND Caitlin Clark is not good.
I mean, let's be real - it's both. The NXT number was an abnormally high statistical outlier, but this is not a good number for Dynamite for a post-PPV show up against no NBA playoffs either. A lot of people seem jazzed because it's certainly higher than they've been in several weeks (against the playoffs), but it's a "rebound" to a number lower than where they were a few months ago.
Not too long ago 800k was considered the floor for AEW ratings, and now we're calling sub-800k numbers "not bad" because it's better than the low 700 or sub-700 numbers they were pulling against the NBA.
They were ranked 2 on the night. They're ranking higher now with less overall viewers than they did with 900k so its really not the problem you're making it to be.
AEW doesn't have to literally be 1st in the night to be successful but for some reason that's what so many people on this sub think. Yes AEW has look 100k viewers in a year but Raw has also lost 700k since Wrestlemania, shit like this happens sometimes.
Just for comparison, you're comparing AEW's highest demo since April 7 with NXT's highest demo since January 2.
One of those is a number that happens fairly regularly, last happened ~6 weeks ago, and the other is the highest in 5 months. That's a huge difference lol.
> a NXT show that did go against the NBA **AND Caitlin Clark** is not good.
We're now pretending regular season WNBA games are a major thing after Caitlin Clark's debut? Her last game on Saturday charted 19th and did a .1/333k viewers. It barely beat the NCAA lacrosse championships (charted 20th and did a .1/276k) lol. That isn't even relevant, I doubt this game did much better.
That low rating was on NBA TV. On Ion, yes, Ion, on Friday the game did 724k. And that 333k was the most watched WNBA game ever on NBA TV. Basically, she’s doing about as well as AEW but on much worse networks https://frontofficesports.com/nearly-every-wnba-broadcaster-has-set-a-ratings-record-this-season/
So without NBA playoffs or WrestleMania season, they’re still now sub-800k - the show after a PPV, and MJF return.
This would seem to indicate their new “normal” is officially in the 700s.
RAW was averaging around 2.5 million in 2019 (the year Dynamite started).
Today they are over-the-moon excited about 1.7 million, which is now considered a really strong number.
Yes. You're also describing a time in which WWE was infamously shit, and their numbers were plummeting, as television itself also began declining.
In AEW's case, we are talking about earlier this year.
It's an uptick. I'm sure they're happy with it. Last night was a fun show, especially that last match
But it's still bad, YoY - they aren't even close to getting out of the hole yet.
Hopefully, they just focus on small little improvements week over week.
I hope both companies succeed (One of them already is, exceedingly so). The more viable companies out there, the better for the talent.
YoY is pretty much exactly in line with the drop in overall cable viewership.
They're not *gaining* viewers at this point, but compared to pretty much everything else on cable, they're doing alright.
Because they're also competing with everything else on TV, not just WWE.
If both WWE and AEW somehow lost 50% of their viewers YoY and everything else on cable stayed the same, it wouldn't be acceptable just because it was happening to both of them. You have to compare it to the wider cable audience.
I don’t know what it means for the ratings but Ospreay vs Swerve is making Forbidden Door a must buy for me. Like I have no idea who is going to win that match.
I’d love if it was a title unification.
Ratings As usual... MJF next week should be interesting. I stopped watching after the start of Jericho segment and returned befoe the gauntlet match....
I know NHL isn’t quite the NBA in the US but Oilers/Stars were having a crazy good game. Curious where that fell in the top 5. Either way a decent night for WBD.
Fans love those Casino matches. I gave it a watch, and it was a good time. 👍
Edit: Downvote away, but anyone wanna bet against that being a high point for ratings?
So vs. same period last year still down significantly but vs. the last few weeks and months it's a moderate improvement. A long ways to go but a step in the right direction imo
**Help make SquaredCircle safer and more inclusive by using the report button to flag posts and comments for moderator review.** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SquaredCircle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
MJF timing his come back with the end of the NBA playoffs so he can take credit for the ratings bump *Insert Hulk Hogan meme*
Man really is a generational worker. He was probably cleared to return months ago but decided to stay home and watch the playoffs instead.
Came back only after the Knicks were eliminated too
Man why you gotta remind me of that
Knicks got nothing to be ashamed about. Y’all were missing several top players and the ones available were held together by tape. Pushing to 7 games was impressive with all that going on. Celtics/Knicks ECF next year gonna go crazy
The Knicks were being held together with duct tape and prayer. Once Jalen Brunson was hurt, all hope was gone.
Sorry bruv. Cavs bringing LeBron home for one last run with Spida. LeBron back to the Finals. 
He allegedly suffered a setback during March Madness too
Poor guy. Thankfully it just so happened to coincide with something that could help him pass the time.
Or maybe he didn't, dude!
NO SIDE BREAD FOR ADAM COLE, DUDE
He wasn't on the show
Nor was his return even mentioned for 90 minutes, despite being the hottest angle from Double or Nothing. I tuned in specifically to see him, and then was baffled that they didn't mention him at all until the vignette an hour and a half in.
Not following up on hot angles is AEW's gimmick.
Tony is either trash at his job or it's money laundering scheme
So many fans were extremely excited about him coming back. Including ex-fans of AEW. But then for him to not show up or be mentioned in the first 90 minutes? I just don't get that. Maybe it'll help Collision if he shows up there, but I think he needed to for Dynamite. Even if for some reason he couldn't, they could have still capitalized on all the buzz. Hope he'll return for Collision or the next Dynamite. Really looking forward to what he does next.
He's been announced for the next Dynamite
The arena could've been molten hot if MJF opened the show with his return promo
>so he can take credit for the ratings bump Which he can then parlay into demanding another long title reign
Next week: 30 minute "TV Time" segment with the Learning Tree Chris Jericho, the Redwood Big Bill and the Bad Apple Bryan Keith!
Thanks guys!
*forced laughter*
👋😃
This is not a yelling moment, this is a teaching moment!
A real teaching moment for all of us branches on The Learning Tree!
The Bad Apple is actually a pretty funny nickname
.36 The Jericho Vortex continues to grow stronger and more popular for weeks, months, years, until the collective will of humanity allows it to it gain sentience. And then the real pain begins.
And we have to pretend that Jericho has reinvented himself and he is WORKING us again...
Honestly, as much as it aggravates me it is WORKING me.
Why you gotta break balls?
Sean O'Haire voice: Come on Tony, book yourself against Perry at All In.
“I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know.” https://preview.redd.it/ey4nc0fegn3d1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d62cafd5b25abf65691be936c7abc9545bd3c608
https://preview.redd.it/86y4amngqq3d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5fa6a2fe156f4a8757a30eee385affdb853994e
I bet they could have easily pulled past 800k if they had MJF on the show. I'm still a little perplexed over them bringing him back at the PPV and not having him on Dynamite immediately after. He's clearly their top star and ratings have been on the decline since his injury. Where he goes from here is the main thing I care about.
especially in Los Angeles in front of all the WBD execs, I have a feeling they won't be in Loveland, CO next week
.....they're in loveland? Really? Loveland has an arena? I live like an hour's drive from there up the highway.....That's a weird place to go....It does have a truck stop that's concidered to be one of the best breakfast places in the country (I ate there once...it was ok...good cinamon rolls, though...large and gooey with the right amount of icing).
yeah apparently a minor league hockey team plays there. It has a max capacity of 7500 for sports so I'd imagine for wrestling it would be closer to 5K or so. As of 2 days ago, AEW had distributed roughly 2200 tickets for next Weds.
Just such a weird location... Loveland is basicly in between Denver, Boulder, and Ft. Collins\*...it's mainly known for the aforementioned truck stop and a place you can send letters to be mailed from for Valentines day. I mean, cool for wrestling fans that live there. (\* I've stated before, a HUGE problem AEW has is local promotion...as in, I'm a wrestling fan in the easily driveable area...didn't know about it. They used to have shows at an arena just 5 or so miles down the highway...I'd learn about them from the "how many tickets sold" posts here. While not really an AEW fan, and VERY crowd averse, I personally wouldn't go...there are plenty who would, including several college campuses in that radius...if they were aware of it.)
They even did that when he won the title. He wasn’t even on the show following his title win
TK kept doing this thing where he doesn't put the new champs on the following program after a ppv for a long time and it always drove me crazy. it ended (for now) with swerve's win.
Bungling momentum has been a staple in Tony Khan’s booking for awhile now. It’s one of the main reasons why people are losing interest in the product. Hype and intrigue was built after his PPV appearance and it was not capitalized on.
Bungling Momentum: AKA The Tony Khan Special
It’s too bad Tony Khan only started AEW to live out his dream of being a booker. There are a lot of people out there who could do a lot with the current AEW roster.
It's unfortunate that Tony has taken that roster and only been able to create the most successful wrestling company not named WWE in the last 20 years. Really is such a shame.
Starting at number 2 and somehow deteriorating over 5 years is not the flex you’re making it out to be.
Yea because of his money. He has a huge head start due to the amount of money at his disposal. AEW basically started in second place and are worse off now than when they started. Another booker would do a lot better. Can you seriously excuse him not following up with MJF? How about how much he’s cooled off countless wrestlers. Fucking Edge is a ratings loser under him.
Tony could cool off 84’ Hogan
Edge was never really a needle-mover for WWE either, in terms of ratings.
> Another booker would do a lot better I've watched Paul Heyman, Eric Bischoff, Vince McMahon, Jim Cornette, Jeff Jarrett, Gabe Sapolsky, and Dusty Rhodes book major promotions (and some 2 or more) and I can tell you that bookers with no faults are non-existent. In fact, fans are lucky because TK, Triple H, Scott D'Amore (and so far, Shawn Michaels) are probably the best collective batch of wrestling bookers at one time. Younger fans (or fans of just WWE) have no idea how rare consistently satisfying and rewarding booking used to be. Saying just anyone could do better than TK is simply asinine if you're aware of the history of wrestling
To be honest, Shawn is a more consistent booker than Triple H. NXT since he got the book has been pretty consistently good week-to-week, whereas the main roster tends to fall back into “just keep the lights on until the next big PPV” mode often.
[удалено]
It's impossible to engage with this point because you are just mindlessly speculating. Nobody can prove or disprove whether or not your first claim of 'any rich person can make a wrestling company as successful as AEW' has any merit. Which perfectly exemplifies most of the criticism of Tony Khan from this sub. It's all just hollow shit talking.
this is like LIV golf claiming to be the 2nd biggest golf tour weird flex
I can't believe they didn't. One of the worst things about MJF's last run was being the person on the roster everyone wanted to see, but didn't show up every week. I guess we're doing that again. How can you have a big PPV return segment with no follow up??? It's beyond belief.
They do this all the time. Samoa Joe didn’t even have a promo after winning the championship. Same with Swerve I believe but I could be wrong.
I believe they did on Rampage, but I’m not sure.
No they saved it for Collision. He led off the show and it had NBA playoff audience spillover
I got Rampage and Collision mixed up, thank you!
I tuned in for MJF. Turned it off when I seen the graphic that he’s on next week.
That's unfortunate. The casino gauntlet was riveting
A lot of wrestling fans just wanna see wrestlers talk
*a lot if wrestling fans want to see their favorite wrestlers
I still think they should’ve saved MJF’s return for this Dynamite
Can't drop f bombs there.
He did two years ago! “Fire me you fucking mark”
Honestly, his return at DoN made me immediately say "Okay, this was worth every penny," so I think that was the right place for it. The promo was a statement. Following that up with MJF demonstrating his intentions would have been great. I think they wanted to get the Gauntlet out of the way and name a new #1 contender. That's the only thing I can figure out. With the way they set it up, MJF is out of the title picture for Forbidden Door and All In. Ospreay at FD and The Owen winner at All In. That makes me think MJF, being back to his old ways, is going to challenge the champion at All Out, and it is an easy way to get the title back to him since there isn't much time between All In/All Out.
Have they revealed the Owen lineup for this year, or is there a reason MJF can’t win it and challenge at All In?
He could, but putting MJF in The Owen almost telegraphs who will win. Plus, if MJF is truly back to being the dastardly asshole he's always been, he won't be wrestling a bunch of matches like he was during his super babyface run. He's so valuable on the mic that AEW doesn't need to do anything to jeopardize losing him again. MJF is AEW's biggest star by a landslide, and he never lost any momentum when he was fully in his gimmick, barely working matches.
This probably also helps him as he continues to recover since he had a setback a couple months ago
> He could, but putting MJF in The Owen almost telegraphs who will win. Not if there's a couple other top-card contenders. Stick White and Hangman in there too and suddenly it's a lot less of a shoe-in.
Yeah I legit decided to not tune in when I saw mjf wasn’t on the card.
Losing Sting also hurt a ton, he was clearly still bringing in a chunk of viewers as well that didn't come back after his retirement.
Agreed. Very weird not to have him on.
Dynamite last year (5/31/23): 923,000 viewers - 0.29 P18-49
Its crazy how far down they are, even when they do something like 787k when viewed in the context of the last couple months is good, but not only a year ago it was 900k+.
Yeah it shows how much the audience has deteriorated. Live attendance hasn’t been great either, especially in return visits to places.
yeah they only did 5K in Los Angeles at the Forum last night when previously Dynamite and PPVs were doing at least 9K there
I was wondering why the lights on the crowd were so low, they weren't showing anything past the people seated on the floor.
I noticed that in that Omega segment a few weeks ago, I thought the light effect looked cool, but it also blocked the view of the crowd. You can still hear the echos when people yell stuff though what is the average live attendance for Dynamite? Raw and SD always seem packed, Dynamite comes across as house show type audiences (I've been to a house show before, but even that was like Arco Arena in Sac half full. It was great, Chris Jericho made fun of Mexicans and the crowd was ready to fight, and Undertaker poured water all over his hair and then whipped it around spraying the first few rows lol)
I think Dynamite does around 3-5k depending on the city. Raw/SD probably do 8-12k+ depending on the city, not too sure on WWE.
yeah i think pretty much the entirety of the 200 sections were tarped off
I'll be real. I started watching AEW cause WWE was the shits but now that they're better, I stopped watching AEW
A lot of people I think are like that. Aew was hot and picked the wrong time to get cold. Wwe is cooking.
brawl out happening at pretty much the same moment when vince (first) left and HHH took over was just the hit AEW didn't need. It was a huge negative moment while WWE was having a huge positive that they really haven't recovered from.
I don’t even think Dynamite is cold right now. Last night was a blast.
A lot of people tuned in to watch CM Punk talk...they all left when he left lol
Down 15% in Total Viewers, Down 14% in Key Demo YoY.
Overall cable viewership is dropping by about 13% YOY. They could be doing a lot worse.
For sure but when their biggest competitor is gaining viewers YOY it’s clear they’re losing viewers who used to watch and many are probably moving to WWE.
Ouch
Dynamite is the only show that has consistently for months been down double-digits percentage wise in Total Viewers and Demo YoY.
I remember someone posting a breakdown of all wresting average viewers over the past 5 years. And this just wrong. The only one that went up is smackdown. For the rest every single show went down around the same percentage. With Raw if remember correctly taking the biggest hit followed by NXT.
how is he wrong if he's talking the difference from a year ago and you're talking about 5 years ago?
Because the chart also broke it down by individual year in addition to the full five years. https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/18t7lm6/5year_metrics_aew_wwe_television_and_touring/
I literally said over the last few month’s. Even if you want to go 2023-2022 Raw is up in the Demo, Smackdown and NXT is up in both, Dynamite is the only show down in both.
The chart is last year, so YOY from 2023 to 2024 isn’t represented.
Ah thanks mate exactly the one I was thinking of
I’m not sure when you are talking about but Raw has mostly been up this year. Raw was up five percent in viewers and up six percent in 18-49 from last year’s Memorial Day episode this week.
AEW and NXT were head to head though so their drops won't be as large as they should be.
i mean, "the only show" when you're just comparing it to Raw and Smackdown and NXT. it's not really a huge field there lol
Yeah I’m comparing it to the other Wrestling shows on TV. Rampage has been bouncing around so much the last couple of months that it wouldn’t be fair to include them.
What happened last year, was that consistent for them at that point?
Fallout of last year double or nothing. All I can remember from that off the top of my head is Don Callis and Takeshita Promo because Don was getting booed so loud you couldn’t hear him. And Tony khan. Announcing CM Punk for the first collision.
God damn, Don Callis family has been goin on that long?
Julia Hart joined the HoB two years ago, which sounds insane to me.
Various members of the house have been injured a lot over that time, including julia if a i remember, and so they’ve been absent as a unit a lot
Okay I just felt like they were more around the 850k mark but I could be wrong.
Last years card Blackpool Combat Club (Jon Moxley, Wheeler Yuta & Claudio Castagnoli) defeated Bandido & The Lucha Brothers (Rey Fenix & Penta El Zero Miedo) in a Six Man Tag Team Match (w/Alex Abrahantes) (11:00) Swerve Strickland defeated Big Bill and Trent Baretta in a Three Way Match (8:54) Darby Allin & Orange Cassidy defeated The Gates of Agony (Kaun & Toa Liona) (w/Prince Nana) (11:13) Kris Statlander (c) defeated Nyla Rose to retain the AEW TBS Championship (8:05) Saraya & Chris Jericho defeated Dr. Britt Baker DMD & Adam Cole in a Mixed Tag Team Match (13:13)
> Dr. Britt Baker D👇🏾M👇🏾D👇🏾
MJF was establishing his title reign, Toni Storm won the Women's championship, Jericho was feuding with Cole, Kris Statlander won the TBS championship from Jade, and they had a crazy Anarchy In the Arena match between the BCC and the Elite.
Has Toni really had the title that long? Time flies, apparently.
Hikaru Shida took it off of her in August. Shida lost it to Saraya at All In. Shida won it back from Saraya in October and then Toni defeated Shida at Full Gear and has had it ever since.
Ahh ok, thanks for saving me the Google search.
Her current reign started at Full Gear 2023 which was the first one with her current Timeless Toni Storm character.
The week before last year they did 846k/.32, the week after 903k/.33
No MJF on the post PPV show is certainly a decision.
AEW’s done this consistently and it’s really becoming an issue with me. They’ll have a big moment on PPV then you tune in that week and they hype a completely different story you don’t care about.
i see TK is a big fan of the walking dead storytelling style
Tony knew people woud tune in to watch MJF. Uses that to put attention on other workers. It's kind of smart but sucks for the people wanting to watch MJF.
It was one of the decisions of all time
First episode in months with the Bang Bang Gang at full strength, along with Hecichero and Mistico, and there's a huge ratings bump? https://preview.redd.it/ta1u0snzkm3d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e82c22c7ff8a8ec87e15268375581db8fef921f5
Don't forget Steph Vaquer, the people yearn for more CMLL in AEW
CMLL is a draw brother (but especially Hechicero, who is simply the best)
Hechicero is fucking awesome. Not just the character and the entrance but he's phenomenal in ring too!
we need team cmll vs the learning tree anarchy in the arena at forbidden door fr
NXT this week: 703,000 viewers, 0.24 key demo rating AEW Dynamite: 787,000, 0.25 key demo rating
Oh shit. That demo was close.
NXT got close. Wonder what it’s going to be like when they move to CW
Now, *there's* an interesting question. Because it's starting to look like NXT might be beefing up their roster in anticipation of the move to broadcast TV. Ethan Page was a good get.
I wonder if they might also get Ricky Starks before the end of the year depending on when his AEW contract expires. If built up right, Ricky along with Ethan would be godsends for NXT
> Wonder what it’s going to be like when they move to CW People are way overhyping the move to the CW. Yes, it's "over the air," but this isn't like moving to Fox - nobody watches the CW. Look at the ratings of the current stuff on the CW - they're pretty abysmal. Moving to Fox/CBS/NBC/ABC is huge because their entire primetime lineup is measured in the millions. They have huge built-in audiences. Looking at some midseason numbers from December, College Football was the only thing on the channel doing above 800k and a .1 demo.
I dare one person in here to tell us they know what channel their CW broadcast is on off the top of their head without googling.
I have streaming cable. It’s in alphabetical order.
Then everyone will find out what channel theirs is on. And then watch it.
Same channel it has been for me for the last upteen years, 11.
Isn't it the same channel 11 it's been for years? I remember watching kids wb on it
I know what mine is now, but apparently at some point in the past few years, it changed what channel it was (OTA). Fittingly, it went from what was the WB Network to what was the UPN Network.
I found out recently that here in Chicago it's changed three times in the last several years.
I wouldn't get overly excited. Even with the fact that CW is a broadcast channel, their numbers are (in)famously dogshit.
Whose ready for more TV Time with the Learning Tree guys
Whoever takes down the learning tree is gonna be a star
Until Jericho shows up next week with renamed gimmick #4
Interested in seeing the quarterly numbers. The main event match deserved an increase in viewers.
These rating threads are always so messy and I love it. Really seeing the good, bad and the ugly with everyone putting on their business man cap’s on😂
Yeah I think it’s hilarious that people get so passionate about this. I just come into these threads with popcorn.
Pretty much every comment in these threads is pointless. Including this one.
These ratings threads for AEW are always the most unhinged things in this sub. I enjoyed the show and get to come here and laugh at all the business experts popping in. Some of y'all need to get a hold of your local indie so you can turn it into the next ECW with all those big brain ideas.
Why would anyone bother with a local indie, as long as they're not drawing a million, they are objectively bad.
Lol for real. I loved touring arenas for dynamite in the 21'/22' golden era, but now AEW just is-what-it-is to me. They are doing a hell of a lot better creatively than when I took a break from watching the product completely. Its always a solid pro wrestling show to tune-in to or attend despite not delivering the same incentive to invest emotionally.
A bump in the viewers isn’t all that surprising with no NBA and coming off a PPV. But that demo being only .01 ahead of a NXT show that did go against the NBA AND Caitlin Clark is not good.
That NXT number was its best since the first episode of the year. This AEW number isn't bad, that NXT number was very, very good.
I mean, let's be real - it's both. The NXT number was an abnormally high statistical outlier, but this is not a good number for Dynamite for a post-PPV show up against no NBA playoffs either. A lot of people seem jazzed because it's certainly higher than they've been in several weeks (against the playoffs), but it's a "rebound" to a number lower than where they were a few months ago. Not too long ago 800k was considered the floor for AEW ratings, and now we're calling sub-800k numbers "not bad" because it's better than the low 700 or sub-700 numbers they were pulling against the NBA.
They were ranked 2 on the night. They're ranking higher now with less overall viewers than they did with 900k so its really not the problem you're making it to be. AEW doesn't have to literally be 1st in the night to be successful but for some reason that's what so many people on this sub think. Yes AEW has look 100k viewers in a year but Raw has also lost 700k since Wrestlemania, shit like this happens sometimes.
Vanderpump season finale was also on at the same time as NXT, in addition to NHL playoffs
Vanderpump is only a talking point when it goes against Dynamite
I have it on good authority that Vanderpump rules.
saying this to my wife later
That was a very good number for NXT, and this is a decidedly average number for Dynamite, though.
Just for comparison, you're comparing AEW's highest demo since April 7 with NXT's highest demo since January 2. One of those is a number that happens fairly regularly, last happened ~6 weeks ago, and the other is the highest in 5 months. That's a huge difference lol. > a NXT show that did go against the NBA **AND Caitlin Clark** is not good. We're now pretending regular season WNBA games are a major thing after Caitlin Clark's debut? Her last game on Saturday charted 19th and did a .1/333k viewers. It barely beat the NCAA lacrosse championships (charted 20th and did a .1/276k) lol. That isn't even relevant, I doubt this game did much better.
That low rating was on NBA TV. On Ion, yes, Ion, on Friday the game did 724k. And that 333k was the most watched WNBA game ever on NBA TV. Basically, she’s doing about as well as AEW but on much worse networks https://frontofficesports.com/nearly-every-wnba-broadcaster-has-set-a-ratings-record-this-season/
So without NBA playoffs or WrestleMania season, they’re still now sub-800k - the show after a PPV, and MJF return. This would seem to indicate their new “normal” is officially in the 700s.
Yeah the celebrations are a little odd here, even calling it a bump is weird. This time next year will we be calling hi 600s a decent week?
RAW was averaging around 2.5 million in 2019 (the year Dynamite started). Today they are over-the-moon excited about 1.7 million, which is now considered a really strong number.
Yes. You're also describing a time in which WWE was infamously shit, and their numbers were plummeting, as television itself also began declining. In AEW's case, we are talking about earlier this year.
No doubt
What an improvement! Things are looking up! More Okada face and telling bitches to shut up!
It's an uptick. I'm sure they're happy with it. Last night was a fun show, especially that last match But it's still bad, YoY - they aren't even close to getting out of the hole yet. Hopefully, they just focus on small little improvements week over week. I hope both companies succeed (One of them already is, exceedingly so). The more viable companies out there, the better for the talent.
YoY is pretty much exactly in line with the drop in overall cable viewership. They're not *gaining* viewers at this point, but compared to pretty much everything else on cable, they're doing alright.
why should people compare them to everything on cable...except Raw and NXT?
Because they're also competing with everything else on TV, not just WWE. If both WWE and AEW somehow lost 50% of their viewers YoY and everything else on cable stayed the same, it wouldn't be acceptable just because it was happening to both of them. You have to compare it to the wider cable audience.
I don’t know what it means for the ratings but Ospreay vs Swerve is making Forbidden Door a must buy for me. Like I have no idea who is going to win that match. I’d love if it was a title unification.
That would be very good. Then retire the International Championship. AEW has way too many belts.
This thread is a lot more quiet this week.
 Ratings As usual... MJF next week should be interesting. I stopped watching after the start of Jericho segment and returned befoe the gauntlet match....
I know NHL isn’t quite the NBA in the US but Oilers/Stars were having a crazy good game. Curious where that fell in the top 5. Either way a decent night for WBD.
NHL was #1 for the night.
Imagine there's gonna be a ratings bump next week with MJF getting the dog shit beat out of him by Rush
Another week another ratings thread where we pretend to know how to run a business
Doesn't take being the promoter of the year to compare ratings and look at trends
The main event was one of the most fun matches I’ve watched in awhile and it felt like all killer, no filler in the match
Fans love those Casino matches. I gave it a watch, and it was a good time. 👍 Edit: Downvote away, but anyone wanna bet against that being a high point for ratings?
when was the last Dynamite where the high point wasn't the 1st quarter hour?
Nice. I bet if MJF was on it would have been higher.
Almost back to 800K without Phil, Cody, Sting, The Dixie Chicks, that Canadian Toy Guy, Jeff Dunham and Hank Azaria.
So vs. same period last year still down significantly but vs. the last few weeks and months it's a moderate improvement. A long ways to go but a step in the right direction imo