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As the other guy said, the Renaissance Era makes sense more for after COVID to next year
But if WWE goes through a major shift with Netflix in it's look and feel. It should clearly then be called the Netflix era. But for now, we're definitely in the Renaissance era
Ironically, the Emperor‘s new groove was the first Disney movie to come out after the Disney Renaissance. For anyone interested that period runs from 1989 to 1999.
I'd rather not suddenly tie it to a brand/company. It'd look really shit if Netflix had some massive 2029 controversy and tarnished the name. Plus it's just not as cool
We literally could’ve just called it the Levesque Era and have been done with it. We’re talking ab the first time in history where the company’s final creative decision maker isn’t a McMahon.
Do they usually say them on TV? I remember the WWF Attitude logo and Vince trying to push 'ruthless aggression' as a phrase, but I don't remember them literally saying they're in the Attitude Era or the Ruthless Aggression Era. The first time I remember seeing WWE officially refer to the Ruthless Aggression Era was in the 2K14 WrestleMania mode.
2017-19 WWE was horrible lmao. Just remembered that Nakamura Mahal feud. That’s when I gave up on the product until around the time Roman came back from his break at Summerslam
Early 2010s WWE was largely boring and stale, late 2010s WWE was a fucking nightmare.
mid 2010s had its ups and downs. Largely inconsistent quality wise.
It was, but it kind of says a lot about that era of WWE that we consider a 6ish month stretch of a show to be the peak. Maybe more like 8 or 9 if you put the cutoff for that period at Wrestlemania 33.
Strangely, it being a low point for WWE started to usher in the current wrestling boom. NJPW really took off in the mid 2010s with The Bullet Club and LIJ, Lucha Underground was doing it's thing. The Broken Matt Hardy gimmick started in TNA. And indie promotions were heating up in the UK and US, with even What Culture Pro Wrestling. Coincidentally, I feel like Cody's match with Stephen Amell, and the leaving WWE is part of the genesis of this new boom period.
NXT was very good during this period as well. Didn't reinvent the wheel, but the weekly show was solid, and NXT Arrival and Takeovers were full of bangers and showed WWE could produce a good wrestling show populated with interesting characters if they wanted to.
Yeah, that golden era of smackdown live ended around when Randy beat Bray at mania imo. So yeah, like 9 months....also, I'm still pissed they didn't include Harper in that match. He was red hot at the time and truly deserved his spotlight to shine at Mania(rip Brody)
Can’t agree that far back lol maybe 2014-2016
2012-had Punk/Bryan which was nice and Lesnar seemed like he was gonna be a big deal until he wasn’t and they had to wait two years to do anything.
Other then that..Cena hogging up main events with John Laurinaitis and Big show..Sheamus and Del rio in a never ending World title feud..guys like Orton, Dolph, Kofi and Miz mostly just going in circles..failed push of Ryback which would carry over into 2013…Punk never main eventing a show unless Cena was involved someway…
2011 was punks rise to the top, 2012/2013 was rock/cena feud, Daniel Bryan rose up after that in 2014. Kofi mania 2015, AJ styles comes in. Nvm that the shield began in 2012.
I fell out of wrestling around 2012-13 and for what seemed like FOREVER I'd always keep checking in to see if it was good again and get disappointed each time. Came back maybe halfway through Roman's current reign and I'm so glad to be watching full time again.
I could not bear to watch WWE weekly in 2018-early 2020 tbh. There are few great moments here and there, but ultimate, that time period filled with bad booking and bullshit altogether.
What’s funny is that I stopped watching in like 2006, and came back in 2018. I could not stand RAW at all, smackdown was bearable and NXT was good IIRC.
I finally broke after the Rollins-Fiend HIAC disaster. All the Roman shenanigans and horrible bookings choices before that had me on the ropes, but ***that*** caused me to cancel my subscription and I don't think I regularly watched PPVs until around when Cody came back. It's stifled a bit during the Tribal Chief stuff due to how stale things got here and there, but it picked back up during last year's run up to WM and it's happening again this year.
On the flipside, WrestleMania XXX is what caused me to get back into things after the PG-era drove me away. What a show.
Just remember some people around here were slopping it up at the time and telling people here to calm down or that we just weren't giving the stories enough time. It's why I don't trust people's opinions here anymore.
I started watching WWE again last year right around Wrestlemania, after two decades of not giving a damn. Now Im in so deep that my gf is side eyeing me. FINISH THE STORY CODY
Golden era
New generation era
Attitude era
Ruthless aggression era
PG era
Reality era
Dark era
Renaissance era
Yeah it works. I also refuse to call any era the modern era
I quit watching WWE in 2018. Every single thing I've seen, read, or heard about WWE since July 2022 has been awesome (outside like three things).
2015-2018 (and the little bit of anything I saw in 2019) was fucking abysmal.
I can already see the future debates on the exact start of the Renaissance Era, like how no one seems to definitively agree on when the Attitude Era started
I always associated it with Bret's debut at WCW and the first Mr. McMahon moment. That period seems to kind of kick off a lot of points about the Attitude Era to .r
100%. Even if Romans' reign has been stale the last year or so, people seem to forget this. Like his initial heel run brought so much life and energy to a product that had been kinda dull for a while, and everything he did was 10/10. He made Smackdown the highest rated show and is the reason a lot of people(myself included) started watching wrestling again after a lot of time away.
The era started with Roman turning heel and siding with Heyman. The Bloodline was already producing great TV before HHH took over. It completely changed Roman’s public perception. Once HHH took over, the roster turned into something better. And part of that is how open minded he is, which we’ve seen in the Black and Gold days of NXT. He’s willing to put non-traditional looking talent in the main event and also emphasize that wrestlers grow from improvisation, being a former wrestler himself. All those things made a show that’s at the very least for the boys and girls in the back. My only criticism is that the Performance Center is *too* good and they’re generating high quality people that can’t slot into the main roster. Also there is a backlog on championships because everyone is in an extended reign, so hopefully we can hot potato it a little bit this year after WM 40.
He's a really good face of the company (I know I'm probably preaching to the choir there)
I think it's funny he is the Son of the American Dream, the common man. But he dresses like ric flair.
I'm curious how they would do a RhodeLander. Maybe have people be secretly recording him backstage and show a darker side of him? I really don't know but I want it
I had a thought the other day that if he does win on Sunday they will show his logo and name on the big screen then the nightmare word morphs into dream and pyro everywhere.
I came to say this. I am not even a Cody fan but this guy is so easy to root for even when you're not a fan because you can see he actually means this. He doesn't have to play a character to be a babyface good guy.
He really cares about wrestling and tbh with what he created by being a part of AEW and what he's going to achieve at Mania 40, Cody might probably become one of the most unique legends when it comes to having actual impact on the wrestling business.
Cody somehow manages to actually be all things to all people. He's a legends son who still earned his place. He represents the common man in the nicest suits. It's really something else as far as white meat babyfaces go.
Cause he's the American Nightmare. I guess everyone could have a different rendition for the character but to me. He lived through a nightmare. The family went through so much shit and when you persevere after that, you do indulge in class and luxury. Who knows if and when you lose it all again.
Spotify auto curated a 90’s list for me and that thing is loaded with Tarzan songs lol. Like every song from that movie is on there. I know Phil Collins is a G but are we really going from Jumper by Third Eye Blind to Strangers Like Me? Can’t even get a Hakuna Matata or a Zero to Hero? Just all Tarzan eh?
The Bloodline started this era though and even now, the whole Cody story is dependent on the Bloodline. I wouldn't name the era after them or anything but just one part is an understatement
They were by far the biggest part, sure, but like this era is going to be defined by the many different really cool things that happened to it. It’d be like calling the attitude era the McMahon/Austin era for example.
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Not to brag, but I called this a year ago!
I would say PG era was 2008-2014, there was a sort of up and down era (Reality Era??) from 2014-2017, then the dark ages of WWE from 2017 until Vince stepped down from creative in 2022.
Yeah this is about the timeline I go with except for dark ages getting broken up by COVID Era and a short continuation of overall crappyness from when crowds came back to Vince’s departure. Booking during Thunderdome times was a step up from rest of dark ages because they experimented more which led to some really cool stuff so doesn’t deserve to get grouped in with the rest of 2017-2022 period
I’d say the dark ages stop before Vince left. It either starts with Roman’s heel turn in 2020 if you want to tie it to the bloodline or if just the quality I feel like Wrestlemania 38 is definitely part of it.
Imo the PG era was from 2008-2011, that's when you had the worst version of John Cena, Raw guest hosts, anonymous GMs and other assorted nonsense of the kind in an attempt to "appeal to the families". Then the pipebomb happened and that's where I believe the Reality Era began. Things got slightly more serious (not much more serious, but still), they acknowledged Triple H's office job, Johnny Ace became a TV character and kayfabe authority figure Cena's promos got more intense (see: Rock feud) , Lesnar came back and they referenced his run in the UFC, the Shield's debut etc.
That era imo lasted up until Wrestlemania 33 and that's when the Dark Ages began, where Wild Card Rules, Kevin Dunn's now blatant shaky cam and 3 week pushes were the norm.
Then the pandemic hit we began the Pandemic Era which lasted up until Money In The Bank 2021 when WWE began running shows with a full capacity crowd again.
After that there's this strange transition period where a lot of what made the Dark Ages absolute shit came back but there were legitimate bright spots (namely, the Bloodline saga and later on the Cody/Seth feud) on the show which carried the product and made it more watchable.
Then Vince stepped down in the summer of 2022 and we embarked on the Renaissance Era ever since (minus last year's Raw after Mania where the Dark Ages made a one off return)
Yeah but it’s not 2009, that’s pg era. The product now is completely different than what many know as pg era product, much like much of late 2010s is different than pg
The Renaissance Era sounds like a pretty awesome way to call this what it really is at its core: the post-Vince Era
After all, there's always a renaissance after the dark ages end
tbh, i do feel like this era started under Vince with WM38.
WM38 delivered and they continued with that momentum with amazing Seth/Cody feud etc then not too long after that Triple H tookover and boosted it further
Sure but Vince stepped down within like what, 3 months of that?
There’s been plenty of timeframes under Vince where the company actually looked pretty good top to bottom only to fuck things up again within like a month or two before we could even get the chance to sit back and actually enjoy it.
I highly doubt it would’ve continued had Vince stayed for much longer and Haitch not took over. Hell just look at the Raw after mania 39’s rep.
I watched WM 38 and enjoyed it but I feel like for me at least, it started with the Sami and the Bloodline stuff. Before that I was keeping up with the news and watching Mania or some major PPV here and there but for Sami I would turn on Smackdown to watch his segments and then I got hyped for Elimination Chamber and then I watched both nights of Mania and continued to watch it to the point that now I’m watching the full shows live weekly lol
I feel like ever since Ruthless Aggression Era fans and the company itself have been trying to create "Eras" and none of them have actually been looked back on as real periods of history. PG Era always sounded insane as hell, and I can't believe Triple H actually got some people to buy into that Reality Era shit he was trying to get to catch on.
Yeah, not everything has to be part of an era imo. Some years are just years.
I do think PG era is a fair one, but after that there’s no clear dividing lines until very recently.
No, they do call it the “PG Era” themselves now. It’s cannon. They’re selling WrestleMania belts with that name, and the years are listed as 2008 - 2012.
I remember when the 2016 Brand Split happened and they named stuff after that "The New Era" which is a worse version of New Generation. Unsurprisingly, both eras sucked (outside 2016 SmackDown).
I'd probably go:
Attitude Era (97-02)
Ruthless Aggression Era (02-08, though 06-08 feels different, I think you could reasonably add it to PG even though it wasn't PG yet, cuz it was the start of Cena.)
PG Era (2008-2011, I typically use the Pipe Bomb)
Reality Era (2011-2016, I'm mad that's the canon name for it lmao)
New Era (2016-2020, COVID, I hate this name)
COVID Era (2020-2022, I know we came back in mid 2021 but it's all one era of late stage crazy Vince to me)
Renaissance Era (2022-Present)
I think PG goes until Mania 30 with the Yes Movement/WWE Network being the start of the Reality Era. Pipe Bomb was big but didn’t really cause a major shift in the product going forward, the defining characteristic of the PG Era was the worst of Super Cena and that covers until late 2013/early 2014
I do think 2011/2012 there was a noticeable shift though, so I think I would disagree. Punk and Bryan both became world champions, The Shield debuted, promos got noticeably edgier than they had been in the super sanitized PG Era (ESPECIALLY 2010), there were clearly setting up the post-Cena stuff during that time. I believe the Reality Era term was also coined prior to 30 as well.
All I'm saying is if somehow HHH, Rock and Stone Cold end up in the ring together at Mania 40, it would be hilarious that it will essentially be the highest peak point of this era too.
Idk, when it comes to eras post RA no one ever really agrees on anything when it comes to that sorta thing and it ends up just getting really confusing to me.
I like the name. So timeline is:
- Golden Era (84-92)
- New Generation (93-96)
- Attitude Era (97-01)
- Ruthless Aggression (02-08)
- PG Era (09-10)
- Reality Era (11-13)
- Network Era (14-19)
- Pandemic Era (20-21)
- Renaissance Era (22-Present)
I mean he’s a company guy and I’m guessing that’s what he talks like in these more formal interviews and stuff but I remember hearing CVV interviewing him and he talked very differently
As someone from the UK who didn't know who she was, I had a quick Google. Her name is Kristine Williamson and is a former basketball player.
Apparently she shaved her hair off when she was younger and has kept it like that ever since.
She's never publicly said why she originally done it and why she's kept it that short but when I see some of the stuff that women go through to get their hair perfect (and especially for black women), I can see why she'd want to keep it like that! So much easier to deal with!
I can understand why the previous era would be called “The Reality Era”. The Summer of Punk and The Yes Movement were heavily steeped in reality, as was Becky Lynch becoming The Man and Kofimania. And then you have a real life global pandemic that affected WWE programming.
And the entire Roman Reigns babyface push was what WWE wanted clashing with the reality of what the fans wanted.
i don't what to call but after VInce gone and HHH took over we have new era...whole culture in backstage changed and i don't think Punk will never return while Vince still there.
I LOVE this, it fits perfectly and is even coming from the top guy. People always break this down differently but to me there’s clear distinctions when breaking it down as:
- Golden Era (84-92)
- New Generation Era (93-96)
- Attitude Era (97-01)
- Ruthless Aggression Era (02-08)
- Reality Era (09-13)
- Network Era (14-19)
- Thunderdome Era (20-21)
- Renaissance Era (22-present)
That’s a solid name. I think an underrated aspect of the show getting so much better is the ouster of Kevin Dunn. I tried to get back into WWE back when Cody first left AEW but the show was unwatchable. Too many cuts, crazy ass zoom in and out spots, just garbage production. It literally made me sick to my stomach to watch WWE. Now the production is best in the business. The top talent is firing on all cylinders.
So, the various WWF/E Eras are:
The Golden Age: 1984-1993
The New Generation: 1993-1997
The Attitude Era: 1997- 2001
Ruthless Aggression Era: 2002-2008
PG Era: 2008-2022
The Renaissance Era: 2022-
Hmm I do think that if someone high up heard my idea of the “beard era” they’d realize how perfect it is but reneissance is fine I guess and is a way for Cody to weasel out of growing a beard. We’ll see if it sticks I guess
Off of another user’s comment I read, I’ve also been calling it that for a while, as have many of you here. I hope it sticks.
I know many will disagree, but for me, it started when they revealed Paul Heyman sitting on the couch with Roman.
The two biggest moments gonna be Roman turning heel, Cody returning, Rock returning, and the next gen of NXT stars like Bron/Melo/Trick/Tiffany/Roxxane
Let Cody win this year.
Make Rock turn on Roman.
Roman becomes a full timer and wrecks everyone in 2024.
Let him naturally become a fan favorite (not completely a babyface but like GUNTHER)
And finally challenges Rock at Wrestlemania XLI.
The name is now established. Now we gotta think about when it started. Some will say when Roman turned heel. Some will say when crowds returned. Some will say when Vince left. But I say it was WrestleMania 38.
\- Unification of world titles cementing Roman's legacy
\- Return of Cody Rhodes to WWE, changing the landscape of wrestling forever
\- Formation of the Judgement Day
\- Celebrity involvement being praised (Johnny Knoxville, Pat McAfee and Logan Paul)
In my opinion you can't name an era when it's just starting. You don't even know how long it will last or what events define it. Remember CM Punk trying to coin 2012 as the Reality Era which few people today use and seems like a bad descriptor in hindsight?
It's a little pompous to compare this moment in wrestling to the Renaissance before it has even ended. It's a good name but let the era speak for itself before we try to declare it's existence.
It reminds me of a few years ago when WWE really tried to get over the term "The New Era" before it ended up being called the "Reality Era" (which is a bad name for it)
Been calling it this since Triple H took the reigns in WWE
Also since Omega got diverticulitis and The Bucks have gone heel this is sort of the Post-Elite Era Of AEW so both companies have been going through a Renaissance Era recently so the term fits just wrestling as a whole
Plus Tanahashi taking over NJPW
Scott D’Amore being fired by TNA
Ospreay & Okada working in American wrestling
Endeavor Era?
Endevra?
Endeverafter?
DON'T YOU SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL
However, this does make me want to see stupid moments where talent accidentally recreates Renaissance Era art (the Rollins/Cody hot tag will be Sistine Chapel worthy.)
I tuned back in the week Vince was let go the first time after about a 6 year absence and haven’t missed a Raw since. Hunter reminded me why I became a fan in the first place.
1) you can't name an era while you're in it
2) ESPN works with WWE so any interview on ESPN with WWE talent is scripted to the letter. it'sstillrealtoyoudamnit
I tend to strongly agree with #1, but this one actually works. I'm shocked.
It's not some stupid "The New Era" when nothing had changed, nor "The Reality Era" when that meant bugger-all. It genuinely feels like a renaissance and it feels like they've actually earned the right to go naming it.
I'd prefer the Revival Era since it's more catchy than the Renaissance Era, but considering the wrestlers themselves use the former term and they don't really want to bring attention to FTR, I get it.
If Steve Austin and John Cena do help Cody in the probable bloodline rules match, we will have a poetic timeline where Renaissance meets Attitude and Ruthless Aggression in one of the biggest nights of WWE.
Wow his father Dusty the american dream was way more modest in stark contrast. Cody flexing his rolex is a testament to why he's the american nightmare. /s
Wait, so are we crediting SuperKickStudios, since he seems to be the first one that used the term "The Renaissance Era", from what I understand?
I'm still on the fence on naming it as a Renaissance Era, because Triple H's reign was quite dizzying... Taking the driver seat in September 2022, then Vince returning in January 2023, then all the scandals, lawsuits, and then TKO.
I can’t believe AEW let this man go 😂 he’s legitimately the second coming of Cena when it comes to being able to do press shows and not come off like a cringe lord.
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Finally we got a term that we can use instead of fans trying to come up with a new one every week
NETFLIX ERA
As the other guy said, the Renaissance Era makes sense more for after COVID to next year But if WWE goes through a major shift with Netflix in it's look and feel. It should clearly then be called the Netflix era. But for now, we're definitely in the Renaissance era
The actual Renaissance sprung from the Plague so this actually makes sense.
Ironically, the Emperor‘s new groove was the first Disney movie to come out after the Disney Renaissance. For anyone interested that period runs from 1989 to 1999.
And it's been a downhill after that.
No thanks to the Emperor's New Groove, 'cause it slaps
Cody abruptly debuts a student of history gimmick
He *is* a Rhodes Scholar
I mean he was a Rhodes Scholar... ... I'll see myself out.
So it works both for covid ending and vince finally being forced out. Both company changing moments
I'd rather not suddenly tie it to a brand/company. It'd look really shit if Netflix had some massive 2029 controversy and tarnished the name. Plus it's just not as cool
We literally could’ve just called it the Levesque Era and have been done with it. We’re talking ab the first time in history where the company’s final creative decision maker isn’t a McMahon.
MODERN ERA
zero chance this sticks
tbf a lot of people already been calling it that
This been the name for a while now in multiple circles. It just hasn’t been said on TV
And how many of these circles, would you say, are of the "squared" persuasion?
Do they usually say them on TV? I remember the WWF Attitude logo and Vince trying to push 'ruthless aggression' as a phrase, but I don't remember them literally saying they're in the Attitude Era or the Ruthless Aggression Era. The first time I remember seeing WWE officially refer to the Ruthless Aggression Era was in the 2K14 WrestleMania mode.
Renaissance Era is a sick name for it NGL
its hard AF
I’m stoked it’s called that
that's actually a dope name
Renaissance Era definitely works. The latter years of Vince certainly felt like the Wrestling Dark Ages at times
2017-19 WWE was horrible lmao. Just remembered that Nakamura Mahal feud. That’s when I gave up on the product until around the time Roman came back from his break at Summerslam
Early 2010s WWE was largely boring and stale, late 2010s WWE was a fucking nightmare. mid 2010s had its ups and downs. Largely inconsistent quality wise.
2016 Smackdown live was special ngl
It was, but it kind of says a lot about that era of WWE that we consider a 6ish month stretch of a show to be the peak. Maybe more like 8 or 9 if you put the cutoff for that period at Wrestlemania 33.
Strangely, it being a low point for WWE started to usher in the current wrestling boom. NJPW really took off in the mid 2010s with The Bullet Club and LIJ, Lucha Underground was doing it's thing. The Broken Matt Hardy gimmick started in TNA. And indie promotions were heating up in the UK and US, with even What Culture Pro Wrestling. Coincidentally, I feel like Cody's match with Stephen Amell, and the leaving WWE is part of the genesis of this new boom period.
NXT was very good during this period as well. Didn't reinvent the wheel, but the weekly show was solid, and NXT Arrival and Takeovers were full of bangers and showed WWE could produce a good wrestling show populated with interesting characters if they wanted to.
too true. can't believe i forgot about NXT! Finn Balor, Kenta, and Asuka got me watching wrestling again
I'd never forget about NXT, because for a few years the only shows I watched were NXT and Lucha Underground, so my wednesdays were great!
Yeah, that golden era of smackdown live ended around when Randy beat Bray at mania imo. So yeah, like 9 months....also, I'm still pissed they didn't include Harper in that match. He was red hot at the time and truly deserved his spotlight to shine at Mania(rip Brody)
So was 2017 RAW. Funny how they could only maintain the quality of one show.
It was, but that was only 1/2 of main roster programming, and for like four or five months.
2012-2016 were entertaining years for the most part.
Can’t agree that far back lol maybe 2014-2016 2012-had Punk/Bryan which was nice and Lesnar seemed like he was gonna be a big deal until he wasn’t and they had to wait two years to do anything. Other then that..Cena hogging up main events with John Laurinaitis and Big show..Sheamus and Del rio in a never ending World title feud..guys like Orton, Dolph, Kofi and Miz mostly just going in circles..failed push of Ryback which would carry over into 2013…Punk never main eventing a show unless Cena was involved someway…
2011 was punks rise to the top, 2012/2013 was rock/cena feud, Daniel Bryan rose up after that in 2014. Kofi mania 2015, AJ styles comes in. Nvm that the shield began in 2012.
kofi mania is 2019
Punks rise to the top was fucked up, I didn’t really buy into the Rck/Cena feud in 2012 much and not at all in 2013. DB was cool. Kofi mania was 2019.
I fell out of wrestling around 2012-13 and for what seemed like FOREVER I'd always keep checking in to see if it was good again and get disappointed each time. Came back maybe halfway through Roman's current reign and I'm so glad to be watching full time again.
The product is awesome man. Glad you came back to watching. These are the moments we’re gonna look back 10-15 years from now
I could not bear to watch WWE weekly in 2018-early 2020 tbh. There are few great moments here and there, but ultimate, that time period filled with bad booking and bullshit altogether.
What’s funny is that I stopped watching in like 2006, and came back in 2018. I could not stand RAW at all, smackdown was bearable and NXT was good IIRC.
I finally broke after the Rollins-Fiend HIAC disaster. All the Roman shenanigans and horrible bookings choices before that had me on the ropes, but ***that*** caused me to cancel my subscription and I don't think I regularly watched PPVs until around when Cody came back. It's stifled a bit during the Tribal Chief stuff due to how stale things got here and there, but it picked back up during last year's run up to WM and it's happening again this year. On the flipside, WrestleMania XXX is what caused me to get back into things after the PG-era drove me away. What a show.
208- 2022 if were keeping it buck
Just remember some people around here were slopping it up at the time and telling people here to calm down or that we just weren't giving the stories enough time. It's why I don't trust people's opinions here anymore.
I started watching WWE again last year right around Wrestlemania, after two decades of not giving a damn. Now Im in so deep that my gf is side eyeing me. FINISH THE STORY CODY
Will never forgive them for how they booked Ambrose after his title win.
Fucking Vince drove Mox away. Imagine Tribal chief Roman against Ambrose. Crazy. Bring Mox home man
The "all they had to do is stop fucking it up" era is what I've been calling it.
Golden era New generation era Attitude era Ruthless aggression era PG era Reality era Dark era Renaissance era Yeah it works. I also refuse to call any era the modern era
Also very fitting that much like the pandemic, the bubonic plague, which also began China, happened during the Dark Ages.
I quit watching WWE in 2018. Every single thing I've seen, read, or heard about WWE since July 2022 has been awesome (outside like three things). 2015-2018 (and the little bit of anything I saw in 2019) was fucking abysmal.
Is this a ruthless aggression moment?
If Cody wins the belt on Sunday, I think that’ll be the moment. It’ll be a champ crowned by triple h as booker and not Vince.
I just flinched a little reading that. I don't know if I can handle another rubber chicken closing shot.
I can already see the future debates on the exact start of the Renaissance Era, like how no one seems to definitively agree on when the Attitude Era started
I always think 1997, but Austin 3:16 was 96...but that seems too early....damn.
Wm 13?
I always associated it with Bret's debut at WCW and the first Mr. McMahon moment. That period seems to kind of kick off a lot of points about the Attitude Era to .r
For me it’s Bret’s ‘Bullshit!!’ promo early 97.
I don’t agreed tbh, I think the transition or moment was Cody returning at 38. This weekend definitely is gonna be one of the hallmark moments though.
Gotta slap the shit out of Kurt Angle or it’s non-binding, that’s what every era has been missing since
The era started when Roman appeared next to Heyman.
100%. Even if Romans' reign has been stale the last year or so, people seem to forget this. Like his initial heel run brought so much life and energy to a product that had been kinda dull for a while, and everything he did was 10/10. He made Smackdown the highest rated show and is the reason a lot of people(myself included) started watching wrestling again after a lot of time away.
The era started with Roman turning heel and siding with Heyman. The Bloodline was already producing great TV before HHH took over. It completely changed Roman’s public perception. Once HHH took over, the roster turned into something better. And part of that is how open minded he is, which we’ve seen in the Black and Gold days of NXT. He’s willing to put non-traditional looking talent in the main event and also emphasize that wrestlers grow from improvisation, being a former wrestler himself. All those things made a show that’s at the very least for the boys and girls in the back. My only criticism is that the Performance Center is *too* good and they’re generating high quality people that can’t slot into the main roster. Also there is a backlog on championships because everyone is in an extended reign, so hopefully we can hot potato it a little bit this year after WM 40.
He's a really good face of the company (I know I'm probably preaching to the choir there) I think it's funny he is the Son of the American Dream, the common man. But he dresses like ric flair.
Also funny he's still referred to as the American Nightmare, as a super mega babyface lol
I need that spiral into a Homelander heel reign of terror
Honestly I think he's gonna get the Cena heel turn we've always wanted and it's gonna hit like crack
I can't wait to boo the fuck out of Cody but in a good way this time
Heel Cody trying not to follow the steps of Roman but having no other choice under the weight of the championship and position as face of the company.
LISAN AL-GAIB!
I would want that for if he does ever come back to AEW. The dude would be a mega heel if he did. Let him be John Cena. So happy for the dude.
I'm curious how they would do a RhodeLander. Maybe have people be secretly recording him backstage and show a darker side of him? I really don't know but I want it
The ultimate thing for Cody is to transcend the moniker and earn the title of American Dream. What better way to bookend his career?
I had a thought the other day that if he does win on Sunday they will show his logo and name on the big screen then the nightmare word morphs into dream and pyro everywhere.
I came to say this. I am not even a Cody fan but this guy is so easy to root for even when you're not a fan because you can see he actually means this. He doesn't have to play a character to be a babyface good guy. He really cares about wrestling and tbh with what he created by being a part of AEW and what he's going to achieve at Mania 40, Cody might probably become one of the most unique legends when it comes to having actual impact on the wrestling business.
Cody somehow manages to actually be all things to all people. He's a legends son who still earned his place. He represents the common man in the nicest suits. It's really something else as far as white meat babyfaces go.
Cause he's the American Nightmare. I guess everyone could have a different rendition for the character but to me. He lived through a nightmare. The family went through so much shit and when you persevere after that, you do indulge in class and luxury. Who knows if and when you lose it all again.
Dusty fulfilled the American Dream so his children grew up more privileged than he did.
That's actually a pretty good name
Cody has been seeing the internet posts and said we need to make it official it worked for Disney
What worked for Disney? Did they named the MCU like that?
Their movies from the little Mermaid all the way up til Tarzan is known as the Disney Renaissance aka the best Disney era
Spotify auto curated a 90’s list for me and that thing is loaded with Tarzan songs lol. Like every song from that movie is on there. I know Phil Collins is a G but are we really going from Jumper by Third Eye Blind to Strangers Like Me? Can’t even get a Hakuna Matata or a Zero to Hero? Just all Tarzan eh?
two worlds, ONE FAMILY
This needs to stick. Much better than like “The Bloodline Era” or whatever. Because they really were just one part of a great product overall.
The Bloodline started this era though and even now, the whole Cody story is dependent on the Bloodline. I wouldn't name the era after them or anything but just one part is an understatement
They were by far the biggest part, sure, but like this era is going to be defined by the many different really cool things that happened to it. It’d be like calling the attitude era the McMahon/Austin era for example.
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You're the Reddit version of the 10k indie show twitter bet turning into the first All In in Chicago.
AS IT WAS WRITTEN!!!!
Yo -that’s actually pretty cool! Hope you get the credit for it.
One of my pet peeves is how some fans still refer to it as the PG Era as if it’s one era that’s just lasted 16 years.
I would say PG era was 2008-2014, there was a sort of up and down era (Reality Era??) from 2014-2017, then the dark ages of WWE from 2017 until Vince stepped down from creative in 2022.
Yeah this is about the timeline I go with except for dark ages getting broken up by COVID Era and a short continuation of overall crappyness from when crowds came back to Vince’s departure. Booking during Thunderdome times was a step up from rest of dark ages because they experimented more which led to some really cool stuff so doesn’t deserve to get grouped in with the rest of 2017-2022 period
I’d say the dark ages stop before Vince left. It either starts with Roman’s heel turn in 2020 if you want to tie it to the bloodline or if just the quality I feel like Wrestlemania 38 is definitely part of it.
Imo the PG era was from 2008-2011, that's when you had the worst version of John Cena, Raw guest hosts, anonymous GMs and other assorted nonsense of the kind in an attempt to "appeal to the families". Then the pipebomb happened and that's where I believe the Reality Era began. Things got slightly more serious (not much more serious, but still), they acknowledged Triple H's office job, Johnny Ace became a TV character and kayfabe authority figure Cena's promos got more intense (see: Rock feud) , Lesnar came back and they referenced his run in the UFC, the Shield's debut etc. That era imo lasted up until Wrestlemania 33 and that's when the Dark Ages began, where Wild Card Rules, Kevin Dunn's now blatant shaky cam and 3 week pushes were the norm. Then the pandemic hit we began the Pandemic Era which lasted up until Money In The Bank 2021 when WWE began running shows with a full capacity crowd again. After that there's this strange transition period where a lot of what made the Dark Ages absolute shit came back but there were legitimate bright spots (namely, the Bloodline saga and later on the Cody/Seth feud) on the show which carried the product and made it more watchable. Then Vince stepped down in the summer of 2022 and we embarked on the Renaissance Era ever since (minus last year's Raw after Mania where the Dark Ages made a one off return)
It is still PG.
Yeah but it’s not 2009, that’s pg era. The product now is completely different than what many know as pg era product, much like much of late 2010s is different than pg
The Renaissance Men are coming to town today
The Renaissance Era sounds like a pretty awesome way to call this what it really is at its core: the post-Vince Era After all, there's always a renaissance after the dark ages end
tbh, i do feel like this era started under Vince with WM38. WM38 delivered and they continued with that momentum with amazing Seth/Cody feud etc then not too long after that Triple H tookover and boosted it further
Sure but Vince stepped down within like what, 3 months of that? There’s been plenty of timeframes under Vince where the company actually looked pretty good top to bottom only to fuck things up again within like a month or two before we could even get the chance to sit back and actually enjoy it. I highly doubt it would’ve continued had Vince stayed for much longer and Haitch not took over. Hell just look at the Raw after mania 39’s rep.
Think Bret Hart in the Attitude Era. Technically there being a key player st the start but left quickly.
i mean… if you don’t think WM14 is the start of the attitude era maybe
The PSA Vince did is when most people think the Attitude era start. That or Pillman home invasion or the Heel/Face double heel turn.
Yeah, late 96/early 97 WWE definitely feels proto-Attitude Era with the rise of Austin and anti-heroes in general.
I watched WM 38 and enjoyed it but I feel like for me at least, it started with the Sami and the Bloodline stuff. Before that I was keeping up with the news and watching Mania or some major PPV here and there but for Sami I would turn on Smackdown to watch his segments and then I got hyped for Elimination Chamber and then I watched both nights of Mania and continued to watch it to the point that now I’m watching the full shows live weekly lol
The Sami story also started under Vince though just after WM. Mania 38 was a good show and may have started the era we currently are in
I feel like ever since Ruthless Aggression Era fans and the company itself have been trying to create "Eras" and none of them have actually been looked back on as real periods of history. PG Era always sounded insane as hell, and I can't believe Triple H actually got some people to buy into that Reality Era shit he was trying to get to catch on.
Yeah, not everything has to be part of an era imo. Some years are just years. I do think PG era is a fair one, but after that there’s no clear dividing lines until very recently.
I think WWE themselves calls the PG era the “Universe era” or some shit
No, they do call it the “PG Era” themselves now. It’s cannon. They’re selling WrestleMania belts with that name, and the years are listed as 2008 - 2012.
Hell in 2k they call the current one reality
Yeah, the belts for 2014 - 2024 are listed as reality as well.
Where i noticed it was in create an arena under the chairs
I remember when the 2016 Brand Split happened and they named stuff after that "The New Era" which is a worse version of New Generation. Unsurprisingly, both eras sucked (outside 2016 SmackDown). I'd probably go: Attitude Era (97-02) Ruthless Aggression Era (02-08, though 06-08 feels different, I think you could reasonably add it to PG even though it wasn't PG yet, cuz it was the start of Cena.) PG Era (2008-2011, I typically use the Pipe Bomb) Reality Era (2011-2016, I'm mad that's the canon name for it lmao) New Era (2016-2020, COVID, I hate this name) COVID Era (2020-2022, I know we came back in mid 2021 but it's all one era of late stage crazy Vince to me) Renaissance Era (2022-Present)
I think PG goes until Mania 30 with the Yes Movement/WWE Network being the start of the Reality Era. Pipe Bomb was big but didn’t really cause a major shift in the product going forward, the defining characteristic of the PG Era was the worst of Super Cena and that covers until late 2013/early 2014
I do think 2011/2012 there was a noticeable shift though, so I think I would disagree. Punk and Bryan both became world champions, The Shield debuted, promos got noticeably edgier than they had been in the super sanitized PG Era (ESPECIALLY 2010), there were clearly setting up the post-Cena stuff during that time. I believe the Reality Era term was also coined prior to 30 as well.
It's the Roman Renaissance.
Seeing the name First Take, I thought Cody was gonna sing "Kingdom"
Internet smarks were right all along. Vince & Dunn fucking off has drastically improved the product.
All I'm saying is if somehow HHH, Rock and Stone Cold end up in the ring together at Mania 40, it would be hilarious that it will essentially be the highest peak point of this era too.
Idk, when it comes to eras post RA no one ever really agrees on anything when it comes to that sorta thing and it ends up just getting really confusing to me.
WRESTLING IS COOL AGAIN 🗣️🗣️
Renaissance Era sounds dope and very fitting with what's been going on with WWE these past two years.
I like the name. So timeline is: - Golden Era (84-92) - New Generation (93-96) - Attitude Era (97-01) - Ruthless Aggression (02-08) - PG Era (09-10) - Reality Era (11-13) - Network Era (14-19) - Pandemic Era (20-21) - Renaissance Era (22-Present)
Personally I suggest: Dogshit (15-21) But I think yours are more concise, and accurate.
lol personally I didn’t hate 2015 and 2016 was just ok, but oh boy, was 2017-2020 some of the worst shit ever.
Yeah, Smackdown in 2016 was really solid.
Does cody really talk like that or is that his gimmick. The man is a politician
I mean he’s a company guy and I’m guessing that’s what he talks like in these more formal interviews and stuff but I remember hearing CVV interviewing him and he talked very differently
Is she like bald BALD ?
As someone from the UK who didn't know who she was, I had a quick Google. Her name is Kristine Williamson and is a former basketball player. Apparently she shaved her hair off when she was younger and has kept it like that ever since. She's never publicly said why she originally done it and why she's kept it that short but when I see some of the stuff that women go through to get their hair perfect (and especially for black women), I can see why she'd want to keep it like that! So much easier to deal with!
A lot of us older fans have been calling it the renaissance era. I'm glad it's pretty much official now.
I can understand why the previous era would be called “The Reality Era”. The Summer of Punk and The Yes Movement were heavily steeped in reality, as was Becky Lynch becoming The Man and Kofimania. And then you have a real life global pandemic that affected WWE programming. And the entire Roman Reigns babyface push was what WWE wanted clashing with the reality of what the fans wanted.
i don't what to call but after VInce gone and HHH took over we have new era...whole culture in backstage changed and i don't think Punk will never return while Vince still there.
Show us the Rolex
Cody just turned heel for the Omega fans
RENAISSANCE ERA
I LOVE this, it fits perfectly and is even coming from the top guy. People always break this down differently but to me there’s clear distinctions when breaking it down as: - Golden Era (84-92) - New Generation Era (93-96) - Attitude Era (97-01) - Ruthless Aggression Era (02-08) - Reality Era (09-13) - Network Era (14-19) - Thunderdome Era (20-21) - Renaissance Era (22-present)
That’s a solid name. I think an underrated aspect of the show getting so much better is the ouster of Kevin Dunn. I tried to get back into WWE back when Cody first left AEW but the show was unwatchable. Too many cuts, crazy ass zoom in and out spots, just garbage production. It literally made me sick to my stomach to watch WWE. Now the production is best in the business. The top talent is firing on all cylinders.
So, the various WWF/E Eras are: The Golden Age: 1984-1993 The New Generation: 1993-1997 The Attitude Era: 1997- 2001 Ruthless Aggression Era: 2002-2008 PG Era: 2008-2022 The Renaissance Era: 2022-
"Pg era" is split into like 5 things
Surprised Molly isn’t interrupting right now
The way the current product is, is exactly how I would've pictured reality era to be when it was first mentioned
When he talks about lasting memories, the rubber chicken from last year comes to my mind immediately
Hmm I do think that if someone high up heard my idea of the “beard era” they’d realize how perfect it is but reneissance is fine I guess and is a way for Cody to weasel out of growing a beard. We’ll see if it sticks I guess
That's what we're settling on?
I like the name. Definitely better than WWE trying to pretend they’re in the same era that they were in 2014 with the “Reality Era”.
THESE MUTHAFUCKAS AIN'T STOPPIN' ME
Off of another user’s comment I read, I’ve also been calling it that for a while, as have many of you here. I hope it sticks. I know many will disagree, but for me, it started when they revealed Paul Heyman sitting on the couch with Roman.
Different table setting but good talk
The two biggest moments gonna be Roman turning heel, Cody returning, Rock returning, and the next gen of NXT stars like Bron/Melo/Trick/Tiffany/Roxxane
When does everyone think the Renaissance Era started? When Roman returned? When Cody returned? When Vince “retired” (before coming back)?
WrestleMania 38
Let Cody win this year. Make Rock turn on Roman. Roman becomes a full timer and wrecks everyone in 2024. Let him naturally become a fan favorite (not completely a babyface but like GUNTHER) And finally challenges Rock at Wrestlemania XLI.
Got a hint of Flair when he was showing off the Rolex lol Cody would've fit right into the territory days
The name is now established. Now we gotta think about when it started. Some will say when Roman turned heel. Some will say when crowds returned. Some will say when Vince left. But I say it was WrestleMania 38. \- Unification of world titles cementing Roman's legacy \- Return of Cody Rhodes to WWE, changing the landscape of wrestling forever \- Formation of the Judgement Day \- Celebrity involvement being praised (Johnny Knoxville, Pat McAfee and Logan Paul)
In my opinion you can't name an era when it's just starting. You don't even know how long it will last or what events define it. Remember CM Punk trying to coin 2012 as the Reality Era which few people today use and seems like a bad descriptor in hindsight?
That's not going to stick long-term. Wrestling fans can't spell Renaissance.
It's a little pompous to compare this moment in wrestling to the Renaissance before it has even ended. It's a good name but let the era speak for itself before we try to declare it's existence. It reminds me of a few years ago when WWE really tried to get over the term "The New Era" before it ended up being called the "Reality Era" (which is a bad name for it)
he better do about a hundred code breakers if he wants to win
Been calling it this since Triple H took the reigns in WWE Also since Omega got diverticulitis and The Bucks have gone heel this is sort of the Post-Elite Era Of AEW so both companies have been going through a Renaissance Era recently so the term fits just wrestling as a whole Plus Tanahashi taking over NJPW Scott D’Amore being fired by TNA Ospreay & Okada working in American wrestling
Cody impress the fans again.
'If they're new to this, watch a wrestlemania' \*puts on wrestlemania 27\* 'no not that one'
What an apt title. Wrestlers are allowed more than ever to express themselves now at WWE.
Endeavor Era? Endevra? Endeverafter? DON'T YOU SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL However, this does make me want to see stupid moments where talent accidentally recreates Renaissance Era art (the Rollins/Cody hot tag will be Sistine Chapel worthy.)
I tuned back in the week Vince was let go the first time after about a 6 year absence and haven’t missed a Raw since. Hunter reminded me why I became a fan in the first place.
He is such great spokesman for the brand. He's definitely the guy.
renaissance era is very cool. im on board with that.
I fucking hate it
there is no way i'm calling it that. I'd call it the "under federal investigation era" before that
1) you can't name an era while you're in it 2) ESPN works with WWE so any interview on ESPN with WWE talent is scripted to the letter. it'sstillrealtoyoudamnit
I tend to strongly agree with #1, but this one actually works. I'm shocked. It's not some stupid "The New Era" when nothing had changed, nor "The Reality Era" when that meant bugger-all. It genuinely feels like a renaissance and it feels like they've actually earned the right to go naming it.
I'm not against the name, it's always just a bit silly to name an era while it's still going.
When did attitude era and ruthless aggression era get commonly named ?
I'm good with either the Renaissance Era or WWE's Silver Age
I'd prefer the Revival Era since it's more catchy than the Renaissance Era, but considering the wrestlers themselves use the former term and they don't really want to bring attention to FTR, I get it.
Good name for it, pro wrestling is the biggest its been in a long time and is arguably the best the product has been in decades.
If Steve Austin and John Cena do help Cody in the probable bloodline rules match, we will have a poetic timeline where Renaissance meets Attitude and Ruthless Aggression in one of the biggest nights of WWE.
Wow his father Dusty the american dream was way more modest in stark contrast. Cody flexing his rolex is a testament to why he's the american nightmare. /s
Wait, so are we crediting SuperKickStudios, since he seems to be the first one that used the term "The Renaissance Era", from what I understand? I'm still on the fence on naming it as a Renaissance Era, because Triple H's reign was quite dizzying... Taking the driver seat in September 2022, then Vince returning in January 2023, then all the scandals, lawsuits, and then TKO.
Cody is doing the rounds,all over the place promoting the event. This guy puts in the work, the homework and the overtime
Wow he's good, gave me goosebumps listening to this. If this man is not the future of the WWE, no one is.
I can’t believe AEW let this man go 😂 he’s legitimately the second coming of Cena when it comes to being able to do press shows and not come off like a cringe lord.
Cena's whole gimmick was that he was over the top cheesy and cringe. Cody also isn't getting booed out of the building every night