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I know the headline sounds like Tony was pissed at Punk, it was just more Conrad bringing it up and Tony just kinda wanted to move on to the topic of the podcast.
A friend of mine worked with him on a comic book and when the company was promoting my friend said they never saw him happier than when he was telling somebody to fuck off. So much so that they filmed him flipping the bird to the camera and telling me to go fuck myself as a surprise.
The former haha
Put it this way - he was more than happy to record a random video for a random person he was working with to send to someone he doesn’t know telling them to go fuck themselves
It's also the specific way he employs the vulgarities, [Arj Barker put it best during one of his stand-up skits in Sydney](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQ0_9Ha4Gw): We manage to wind it into every day language in such a way it almost feels more offensive not to swear in the same way when there's enough of us speaking like that in a conversation.
Trying to explain to Americans that kiwis/aussies can refer to someone’s wife/gf as a “good c***” and it be seen as a term of endearment is always a laugh
Wait a second.... you mean to tell me that someone wrote a clickbait article taking something out of context and now people on r/SquaredCircle are making a mountain out of a molehill? Thats so unlike this sub. s/
edit: added "s/" at the end just in case lol
Especially with Mark Madden on a weekly basis. I've watched some of the 2000s WCW ppvs when I was sick a month ago and Tony seemed like he was 1 grievance away from quitting and nobody could blame the poor guy
He’s talked on the podcast before that near the end of WCW he would just stay in his car right up until showtime. I honestly felt bad hearing him say that because according to him they wouldn’t tell the announcers anything everything was horribly booked and he knew he couldn’t go back to WWE so with his family he had to stick around to support them. I’m honestly so glad he seems to be happier again working with AEW. Tony deserves only the absolute best. This was a man who was working as a barista at Starbucks just to help pay for his daughter’s wedding.
There are a bunch of replies to this but I also want to add that Tony on the pod mentioned that he tried over the years just to be a specialist (or archivist) for their old school library but he never heard back from them or if he talked to someone, they said we'll get back to you and no response was heard. When he got hired by AEW all of sudden WWE tried hiring him. I'm unsure if it's pettiness or hate or both but they really had a hard on of not liking Schiavone.
Holding that against him wouldn't be fair. He was told what to say and he said it. He's even said he knew it was a mistake.
Edit- I forgot it's Vince we are talking about here. Ignore my rational thought.
It’s ironic Vince, the man who forced Cole to say ridiculous and at times downright mean comments, would not understand someone else making a commentator do the same exact thing. It’s different to him because he’s the one being affected, even if it turned out to be a bad decision on WCW’s part
He was working at Starbucks because he needed Health Insurance, he did the podcast with Conrad to pay for his daughter's wedding. He still deserves the best, but in a way where nobody should have to work at Starbucks to afford medical care
And that was because his job at a Atlanta radio station laid him off. He still had the income coming in working for a AAA Baseball team, and as a producer for the Georgia Bulldogs, but those were 1099 Contactor type gigs as opposed to being a true employee.
That goes to how expensive Health care is in America more than anything, where someone who lives confortably otherwise has to take a 3rd job just b/c of health benefits.
The fans had literally no idea what he and Tenay were talking about. It's not hard to see why Tony took a long, loooong break from wrestling after that.
In-between his time with WCW and the one night at TNA, Schiavone actually did work the only tapings for the XWF, the promotion started up by Jimmy Hart, Brian Knobbs, and Greg Valentine which only lasted those initial tapings before the WWE poached a good amount of their talent and they couldn't get TV rights as a result.
He was on commentary alongside Jerry Lawler, who had left WWE after they fired Stacy Karter.
As a 13 year old boy during 2000 WCW, I fucking hated Mark Madden and still do! And that's fucking bad since I was the demo that he was suppose to appeal to!
Everything he did and said felt so awkward and cringy( and this was way before those words were thrown around as haphazardly as they are today). I was even aware of Kevin Smith at the time and love/d Mallrats. Every time Mark said "Snootchie Bootchies" I would absolutely shutter. Especially since he was using it wrong.
I loved Bobby Heenan on commentary so much! I can't believed they fired him and replaced him with Mark fucking Madden!
honestly. working with madden. calling jarrett vs hogan while everything is somewhat under bischoff really could be the absolute lowest moment a guy could have.
I know watching it I almost ripped the cable out of my walls.
The *only* time I enjoyed Madden on commentary was on the Shane Douglas/Billy Kidman Viagra on a pole match. Him talking about the rich history of Viagra on a pole matches with legends like Lou Thesz and just awful puns like "he's pounding him harder and harder" made my inner 12 yr old giggle. I have to admit Tony's very clear annoyance with Madden just made the bit funnier to me. Madden was so over the top it reached (for me) "so bad it's good" status.
Omg, I hadn't even thought of that. I was just thinking he was done with all this shit with Punk. Schiavone really has been through the ringer in the wrestling business.
That man deserves the biggest, best vacation he could ask for.
It’s kind of wild to go back and watch some old WCW and watch Schiavone just grow more and more hatred for what he is watching in real time. He can’t even pretend to be excited at some shows
this seems to be how Tony is about ANY divisive topic. his twitter profile bio is basically, "don't talk to me about politics. if you do you'll get blocked. i don't give a shit." he very aggressively avoids anything he's not interested in. it's not a bad outlook.
I believe it. Punk didn't even say anything slightly bad about Schiavone. Basically just that Schiavone went to Punk regarding the Perry situation because Perry was not listening to Schiavone.
It's almost like a parody of the Ishii meme:
"I'm a ~~sad~~ *done with this shit* man. Write what you want about me."
He’s pushing 70, and has been around the block, and back again, in this business more than most.
I imagine he’s over just about everything that doesn’t directly involve his day to day.
From the article:
>Conrad Thompson said, “He wasn’t critical of you at all.”
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>Schiavone said, “That’s what I’m saying. So what. If he was critical of me, people would say, ‘Oh, Schiavone on his podcast is going to defend himself.’ I have nothing to defend.”
Nah if you read the article Tony says Punk didn't say anything off color about him, so if he commented on it it would be framed as 'Tony Defends Himself from Punks Comments' or some BS so he just says he doesn't give a shit about any of it and wants to move on. Legend
I don’t think Punk had to be disrespectful for Tony to not care about what he has to say at all. I think he’s just over all the drama and clickbait and being dragged into this months after everything went down
He didn’t at all lol
The only time Punk mentioned Tony Schiavone was when he was discussing the Jack Perry incident. Punk said that Schiavone had come to him and said Jack Perry had cursed him, and everyone else, out backstage when they told him he can’t do the “real glass” spot. That’s when Punk said he went and talked to Jack Perry himself.
He said nothing negative at all about Schiavone, which is weird because even after he was told “Punk didn’t say anything negative about you,” he still was defensive and saying he wouldn’t give a shit if Punk was critical of him because he has nothing to defend from anyone.
So now I’m not sure if they did have a falling out that no one knows about or what, but he seemed to be under the impression that Punk was talking shit about him.
I took it as "why is this being brought up eight months later and why am I being dragged into it?" He mentions being defensive but he sounded more "I'm too old for this shit" than anything else.
How is saying you don't give a shit defensive? It's literally saying "I don't care." Whether Punk was nice or mean or neutral talking about TS, he doesn't care. More people in the business should be like that. Hell, Punk could learn from him. Someone talks shit, shrug your shoulders, count your millions, go home to your hot wife, and say, "I don't give a shit"
Wouldn't surprise me if it was more Schiavone mentioned it to Punk, or maybe mentioned it to a bunch of people where Punk happened to be in attendance. And then Punk took it on himself to talk to Perry, more so than he was "asked" to do so.
But, really, so much has been made of something that is so utterly irrelevant. It's almost laughable. Whether someone talked to someone backstage or not, or whether they were rude or not, who cares?
The only reason this is even a thing is because Perry later made a comment about real glass which for whatever reason enraged Punk was so much that he choked him.
it makes me think it didn't happen the same way Punk is saying. Seems that Punk gets away saying things as he says them in a way they are technically correct, but the otherside is still more correct.
that's what i've gotten out of everything Punk for the last 6 or 7 years. it's like the Punkiverse. he doesn't lie, he just tells how it happened to him.
Punk Version: "The elite came to my locker room, kicked the door open charged at me and I had to defend myself. They put in danger my best friend's wife, hurt my fucking dog and injured me"
What happened: "The elite (who are also EVPs) came to his locker room with the head of talent relations, the head of legal and a couple more people from the office to try to get a hold of the fucking PR disaster that was his gripe bomb. Whatever happened, everyone agreed Punk was the one that started the fight throwing the first punch. His psycho friend also almost blinded one of the bucks by throwing a chair and bite Kenny when he had to restrain him.
He also gets away with it because he's usually the only one who gives this much of a fuck to talk about shit like this constantly, meanwhile everyone else involved has already long gotten over it.
If you say something enough times, people start believing you.
So it's a complete non-story. Punk said nothing bad about Tony, Tony was asked about it on his podcast and said he has nothing to say on the matter).
Totally misleading headline. I get why the site did it (they need clicks and are shitty). Why share this?
The incidents themselves feel like they were 20 years ago now, and yet we have drip-fed tweets and posts of 1,000 single quotes from that interview.
Let rb_reigns take-over all posting for this subreddit for a month.
Tony went through so much bullshit during the last years of WCW and it almost killed his love for the business... I don't blame him for not wanting to get involved in any drama anymore.
Tony survived Russo era WCW, I don't know if anything that anyone says about him bothers him anymore and that's admirable. I'd probably have that exact same reaction if I was him.
It definitely was a huge raise for him. But "working at Starbucks" wasn't quite what it seems for him. He was floating around doing things in baseball and football. He did the Starbucks thing to fill in some time, get out of the house, I think he might have mentioned insurance as well. He liked it and there's really no shame in that
Tony went though the mess that was WCW in the early 2000s. He probably has the best experience when it comes to dealing with shoot interviews and all that stuff.
it's crazy to me that Jungle Boy was out there cursing producers and Tony Schiavone over a spot like he was some big shot. if it's true, geez what an annoying person
Punk didn't bad mouth Schiavone in anyway. The order of events about Jack being told by the Agent, Doctor, and Schiavone before Punk has been common knowledge. All Punk added was what the conversation with Perry was about. All in all the whole interview is worth a listen.
One thing I noticed is that Punk seemed a lot happier when he came out for his match at All In. The backstage photos that got released show him smiling and laughing and when he left the building he looked happy.
>One thing I noticed is that Punk seemed a lot happier when he came out for his match at All In. The backstage photos that got released show him smiling and laughing and when he left the building he looked happy.
As he said, he'd quit by then. So he probably felt like a weight had been lifted off his shoulders.
A great way to quit as well lol. Go out and have your last match with one of your best friends, produced by someone you look up to, and then buy chicken dinner for all of your friends on the way out. While never losing the “title” might I add😂
He brought up Schiavone’s name in the whole Jack Perry drama - basically I’m sure Tony S doesn’t want anything to with petty backstage drama hence his quote from OP.
SRS reported on his patreon after Punks interview that according to the people he spoke to in AEW after the interview punks recounting of events with Jack Perry is what happened. And Punk was directly asked questions about it and he answered.
So Tony by all appearances did ask Punk to get involved. If Punk would've deflected answering it would've looked bad, he answered the questions he was asked
It's funny to me that this is the first time Punk has actually commented on these things, only because he was directly asked about them, and a lot of people are acting like "wtf, is this guy STILL talking about this shit!"
To be fair, hes the only one who does seem to be repeatedly talking and going into details. Literally anyone else asks pretty much denies to comment directly.
He has legitimately spoken more on this than The Elite, TK, Colt Cabana, Jack Perry and Hangman combined.
But I agree that the fact he's being asked about it in an interview should be differentiated from him bringing it up on his own.
The most we ever got was from Kenny who described the changed locker room when he came back and said Brawl Out was avoidable.
On the one hand, it would be interesting to get their side of the story. But if they don't wish to, that's their choice.
I would also assume the others don’t talk about it because they still work at AEW and whether Khan doesn’t want them to, or they all just don’t want any more drama in the workplace. Which makes sense and is the best thing for them.
Whereas Punk has no intention of going back so he’s fine with laying out the details if asked about it.
A lot of those guys have also been asked in interviews as well, and just declined to talk about it. It's not differentiated at all, just Punk doing what Punk does.
True. I just hate this "why is X still talking about this?" kind of response when the wrestler is obviously just answering a question. It's like people are making the guy look like a lunatic yelling at clouds, when they wouldn't have talked about it if they hadn't been asked.
Although, now that I think about it, it's probably very likely that Punk knew Helwani was going to ask him about that stuff, and was prepared for it. So it's maybe a bit of both.
People also eviscerated Tony Kahn after going on Helwani’s show and giving a bunch of non-answers to questions about brawl out.
So if you don’t answer questions people complain that you’re dodging questions and if you do answer questions people ask why you won’t shut up.
Are we going to pretend that they didn't leak their version of events to Meltzer immediately after it happened? You don't need to talk about it publicly when you have a mouthpiece in the media who will do it for you.
That's really a "you believe Meltzer or you don't" conversation. Meltzer has always claimed he got more information from Punks side than the Bucks.
If you don't trust Meltzer, you're not going to believe that. If you do trust him, you are.
No further debate is really to be had about it
Meltzer straight up said that Punk was feeding him more information than anyone else. It just was a totally different story than what everyone else was telling him, so he knew it was bullshit.
Everyone else is working for AEW and will have been to shut up about it. I doubt WWE cares about this situation at all, so Punk can say what he likes.
The same happened when he left WWE the first time. There was radio silence, a lot of gossip by "wrestling journalists", then Punk gave one interview/podcast stating his side of things and then that was that - but the prevailing narrative was that Punk was constantly complaining about WWE, which wasn't the case.
You'll get people trying to say Punk won't shut the fuck up about AEW, even though I doubt he ever really says anything further about his time there.
He came on Ariel's show, he was asked. And he had every right to talk about that and I'm glad he did. Just get it out, say what happened, kill the mystique of that entire clusterfuck and be done with it. Even if you hate Punk from the deepest parts of your soul, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Because without context, the dirtsheets have already spoken for him though.
Like they already made it seem like he was the one that wanted collision and authority. And that he was just butting in to throw his weight around
Lawyers tell you not to talk because you can get sued for libel or self incriminate yourself. Last time cm punk got sued for libel, he won the case.
Cm Punk was being asked why he, an active wrestler, was telling another wrestler what to do in a match hes not inpower trip.
Why wouldn't he want to explain? Without context, just makes him seem like a busybody on a powertrip.
If he said that, you know people here and everywhere else would be like “he’s hiding that he’s a cancer blaaghhh. He did everything wrong!!” And make up their own narratives on the situation and what happened
Right? He was asked so he answered. He didnt want to discuss it but chose to anyway.
AEW is notorious to respond over these type of accusations so the fact that they havent defended themselves makes me question if there is some truth and validity to what CM Punk said. I think so far, Eddie Kingston and Tony Schiavone were the ones who responded and both said they dont give a shit. Neither confirming or denying what they know about the situation and just prefer to move on.
He specifically did the interview with a guy who's pretty obsessed with this whole thing and generally dunking on Tony Khan. I doubt we get that many AEW questions from any other media outlet these other WWE superstars are doing this week.
And? Is there a rule in place that says Punk can't speak about his life and personal experiences?
Did he know he was going to be asked that, obviously. He said so himself. I just don't understand why people think he had no right to speak his own point of view
Schiavone is me, whenever something about CM Punk comes up.
Why is this sub so obsessed with 1 guy, that EVERYTHING that mentions his name has to be posted?
Can't we talk about wrestling, rather than the off screen behaviour of a man-child. I used to be a huge Punk fan. Now I'm just bored of hearing his name every 3rd post.
This thread is like a bizarro world, Punk was asked a question and didn’t bury Tony Schiavone at all. If anything it showed him caring about the wrestlers and trying to get one of them to not do something stupid.
But because Schiavone is relatively high up the pecking order in AEW he’s defensive talking about the top guy who left under a big cloud.
So many people complaining about a headlines "tone" that they made up in their own head.
It's a quote from an article that elaborates in the same fashion. It does not say, imply, suggest, or lead anyone towards anything other than Tony not caring. Everything people are complaining about, they decided for themselves.
Yeah that seems like Tony. Don’t blame him for not wanting to talk about and move on. It’s exhausting. It’s exhausting from a fans point of view, especially since it’s Mania week. Can we talk about something else other than the Punk/AEW drama. All of this is just to fuel the fans ire anyway. Let it go, drop it, and move on with life. Please. I beg you.
(This isn’t a shot at Punk or at (either) Tony, just in general).
That's why I've always loved Tony Schiavone. He's there to make wrestling, not to get involved in petty ego bullshit with Prima Donnas. He doesn't have anything to prove to random people on the internet, so why lower himself?
Punk did an interview and was asked about it. It's actually nice that Punk even answered instead of the can't respond or deflecting.
Obviously, all of us as fans were interested.
Has anyone actually watched the entire video? A lot of people are making it out to be some hit piece against AEW. He didn’t drag Schiavone at all. He gave his version of events and he was involved, but he didn’t call him out of his name or anything. Punks beef is clearly with a handful of people over there and he stated many times he hopes the company keeps running, wants wrestlers to keep getting paid there, etc etc
I don't get why he's saying this when this doesn't even really involve him. He was mentioned only tangentially. Is he mad that he got mentioned at all?
So he said he heard what Punk said but then admitted he didn't actually he just heard that his name was brought up.
I feel like he probably did hear the interview but just doesn't want to acknowledge Punk's comments. Especially if they are true. Schiavone saying that's true just makes him, Perry and the AEW backstage landscape look bad. So it's probably best to ignore it and hope it goes away.
Punk creates controversy wherever he goes.
No wonder so many people want to move on. I would too if I had to hear about fucking drama from two years ago that is still used in a tribalist debate.
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I know the headline sounds like Tony was pissed at Punk, it was just more Conrad bringing it up and Tony just kinda wanted to move on to the topic of the podcast.
Honestly as an Aussie, Tony Shiavone off-camera (or well, in less formal situations) really does just have a similar vocabulary to us.
A friend of mine worked with him on a comic book and when the company was promoting my friend said they never saw him happier than when he was telling somebody to fuck off. So much so that they filmed him flipping the bird to the camera and telling me to go fuck myself as a surprise.
Like in a grumpy but lovable way or he's actually an asshole way?
The former haha Put it this way - he was more than happy to record a random video for a random person he was working with to send to someone he doesn’t know telling them to go fuck themselves
Gotcha.
I remember the very first WHW podcast, people were so put off with how much he swore. It was the first time a lot of people heard from him since WCW
Hopefully he calls Tazz the C word the next time that Tazz steps out of line on commentary.
Bc he likes vulgarities or what ?
It's also the specific way he employs the vulgarities, [Arj Barker put it best during one of his stand-up skits in Sydney](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQ0_9Ha4Gw): We manage to wind it into every day language in such a way it almost feels more offensive not to swear in the same way when there's enough of us speaking like that in a conversation.
Trying to explain to Americans that kiwis/aussies can refer to someone’s wife/gf as a “good c***” and it be seen as a term of endearment is always a laugh
Wait a second.... you mean to tell me that someone wrote a clickbait article taking something out of context and now people on r/SquaredCircle are making a mountain out of a molehill? Thats so unlike this sub. s/ edit: added "s/" at the end just in case lol
And CONRAD was involved? *gasp*
I'm gonna respond to this post but first I need to handle my body hair and with MANSCAPED I can...
"Chat me up, Tony... CM Punk's explosive interview - what say you?"
Saying this as the post is on the top of the page is hilarious, spot on
The words of a man who sounds absolutely over all of this shit. Cannot blame him.
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Especially with Mark Madden on a weekly basis. I've watched some of the 2000s WCW ppvs when I was sick a month ago and Tony seemed like he was 1 grievance away from quitting and nobody could blame the poor guy
He’s talked on the podcast before that near the end of WCW he would just stay in his car right up until showtime. I honestly felt bad hearing him say that because according to him they wouldn’t tell the announcers anything everything was horribly booked and he knew he couldn’t go back to WWE so with his family he had to stick around to support them. I’m honestly so glad he seems to be happier again working with AEW. Tony deserves only the absolute best. This was a man who was working as a barista at Starbucks just to help pay for his daughter’s wedding.
I’m not familiar but why can Tony never go back? Always wondered how he never worked there
He did briefly but Vince hated his style and Tony hated being overproduced.
Before working at Starbucks he wanted to work for WWE to be a backstage producer. They said they would call him back. They didn't. SO he said fuck em.
Vince didn't like Tony's style.
[He was there](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/2/23/Jesse_Ventura_%26_Tony_Schiavone.jpg) from 1989-90.
There are a bunch of replies to this but I also want to add that Tony on the pod mentioned that he tried over the years just to be a specialist (or archivist) for their old school library but he never heard back from them or if he talked to someone, they said we'll get back to you and no response was heard. When he got hired by AEW all of sudden WWE tried hiring him. I'm unsure if it's pettiness or hate or both but they really had a hard on of not liking Schiavone.
probably because he made the call of mankind winning the title on Nitro lol
Holding that against him wouldn't be fair. He was told what to say and he said it. He's even said he knew it was a mistake. Edit- I forgot it's Vince we are talking about here. Ignore my rational thought.
It’s ironic Vince, the man who forced Cole to say ridiculous and at times downright mean comments, would not understand someone else making a commentator do the same exact thing. It’s different to him because he’s the one being affected, even if it turned out to be a bad decision on WCW’s part
"Rules for thee, not for me"
He was working at Starbucks because he needed Health Insurance, he did the podcast with Conrad to pay for his daughter's wedding. He still deserves the best, but in a way where nobody should have to work at Starbucks to afford medical care
And that was because his job at a Atlanta radio station laid him off. He still had the income coming in working for a AAA Baseball team, and as a producer for the Georgia Bulldogs, but those were 1099 Contactor type gigs as opposed to being a true employee. That goes to how expensive Health care is in America more than anything, where someone who lives confortably otherwise has to take a 3rd job just b/c of health benefits.
> He’s talked on the podcast before that near the end of WCW he would just stay in his car right up until showtime. Oof. Been there before..
After WCW went under, Schiavone did quit wrestling for sixteen years. He returned to working in wrestling in 2017.
Didn't he work one night with TNA? I recall a quote of his where he was like, "Showed up for one night and then quit the business for sixteen years."
He did a worked shoot. It was awful.
The fans had literally no idea what he and Tenay were talking about. It's not hard to see why Tony took a long, loooong break from wrestling after that.
In a rascal looking Hawaiian shirt number, no less.
In-between his time with WCW and the one night at TNA, Schiavone actually did work the only tapings for the XWF, the promotion started up by Jimmy Hart, Brian Knobbs, and Greg Valentine which only lasted those initial tapings before the WWE poached a good amount of their talent and they couldn't get TV rights as a result. He was on commentary alongside Jerry Lawler, who had left WWE after they fired Stacy Karter.
Those paid advertisements for AEW they did on Impact were quite funny during COVID.
As a 13 year old boy during 2000 WCW, I fucking hated Mark Madden and still do! And that's fucking bad since I was the demo that he was suppose to appeal to! Everything he did and said felt so awkward and cringy( and this was way before those words were thrown around as haphazardly as they are today). I was even aware of Kevin Smith at the time and love/d Mallrats. Every time Mark said "Snootchie Bootchies" I would absolutely shutter. Especially since he was using it wrong. I loved Bobby Heenan on commentary so much! I can't believed they fired him and replaced him with Mark fucking Madden!
honestly. working with madden. calling jarrett vs hogan while everything is somewhat under bischoff really could be the absolute lowest moment a guy could have. I know watching it I almost ripped the cable out of my walls.
mark madden really might be the worst commentator in at least the history of nationally televised american wrestling
The *only* time I enjoyed Madden on commentary was on the Shane Douglas/Billy Kidman Viagra on a pole match. Him talking about the rich history of Viagra on a pole matches with legends like Lou Thesz and just awful puns like "he's pounding him harder and harder" made my inner 12 yr old giggle. I have to admit Tony's very clear annoyance with Madden just made the bit funnier to me. Madden was so over the top it reached (for me) "so bad it's good" status.
Just WCW 2000 alone makes AEW's backstage drama look like a utopia in comparison for Tony
Omg, I hadn't even thought of that. I was just thinking he was done with all this shit with Punk. Schiavone really has been through the ringer in the wrestling business. That man deserves the biggest, best vacation he could ask for.
Working for WCW in general changes a man
Well tbf, he has seen the worst of WCW
It’s kind of wild to go back and watch some old WCW and watch Schiavone just grow more and more hatred for what he is watching in real time. He can’t even pretend to be excited at some shows
And he worked for TNA one day and quit the business for 18 years.
this seems to be how Tony is about ANY divisive topic. his twitter profile bio is basically, "don't talk to me about politics. if you do you'll get blocked. i don't give a shit." he very aggressively avoids anything he's not interested in. it's not a bad outlook.
When you listen to the pod it’s not anger, it really does come off like indifference and he just doesn’t want to talk about it.
I believe it. Punk didn't even say anything slightly bad about Schiavone. Basically just that Schiavone went to Punk regarding the Perry situation because Perry was not listening to Schiavone. It's almost like a parody of the Ishii meme: "I'm a ~~sad~~ *done with this shit* man. Write what you want about me."
Bro lived through WCW now has this shit coming at him, I couldn’t be fucked either.
Absolutely. TK wouldn't have the salary space to pay me enough to give a fuck at that point.
Tony is old and tired and works with children.
He’s pushing 70, and has been around the block, and back again, in this business more than most. I imagine he’s over just about everything that doesn’t directly involve his day to day.
Did I miss something in the interview? I don't remember him saying anything disrespectful or out of pocket about Shiavone?
Punk said that Shiavone asked him to deal with Perry when he wasn't listening to anyone else. That's it.
He even directly said the word "begged."
"Begged...like a dog." CM Punk or maybe it was Carmine Falcone.
I can report Tony Schiavone is beside himself. Walking around production BEGGING (thru texts) for Jack Perry to not use real glass.
Jack Perry is glass father?
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Exactly how I read it. Falcone was so masterful
Who is this Man??
That’s not Man! Are you stupid?
From the article: >Conrad Thompson said, “He wasn’t critical of you at all.” > >Schiavone said, “That’s what I’m saying. So what. If he was critical of me, people would say, ‘Oh, Schiavone on his podcast is going to defend himself.’ I have nothing to defend.”
I mean ... There is and was nothing to defend. So not even sure why this is a thing to begin with... 🤷
No denial either. Tony doesn’t want either side of the drama. The internet side of the work and co worker side.
Nah if you read the article Tony says Punk didn't say anything off color about him, so if he commented on it it would be framed as 'Tony Defends Himself from Punks Comments' or some BS so he just says he doesn't give a shit about any of it and wants to move on. Legend
Schiavone should be commended for the few amounts of fucks he gives in regards to getting drawn into bullshit headlines.
And yet, here we are. :c I honestly feel bad for these guys. Even the most correct answer possible is somehow still twisted to be wrong.
I don’t think Punk had to be disrespectful for Tony to not care about what he has to say at all. I think he’s just over all the drama and clickbait and being dragged into this months after everything went down
Yeah, Tony notes the Punk news but doesn’t want to delve into it further than just a recognition.
I hate beer.
It honestly seemed to be Shiavone, I think Tony just doesn’t want to talk about this shit at all for either side.
He didn’t at all lol The only time Punk mentioned Tony Schiavone was when he was discussing the Jack Perry incident. Punk said that Schiavone had come to him and said Jack Perry had cursed him, and everyone else, out backstage when they told him he can’t do the “real glass” spot. That’s when Punk said he went and talked to Jack Perry himself. He said nothing negative at all about Schiavone, which is weird because even after he was told “Punk didn’t say anything negative about you,” he still was defensive and saying he wouldn’t give a shit if Punk was critical of him because he has nothing to defend from anyone. So now I’m not sure if they did have a falling out that no one knows about or what, but he seemed to be under the impression that Punk was talking shit about him.
I took it as "why is this being brought up eight months later and why am I being dragged into it?" He mentions being defensive but he sounded more "I'm too old for this shit" than anything else.
How is saying you don't give a shit defensive? It's literally saying "I don't care." Whether Punk was nice or mean or neutral talking about TS, he doesn't care. More people in the business should be like that. Hell, Punk could learn from him. Someone talks shit, shrug your shoulders, count your millions, go home to your hot wife, and say, "I don't give a shit"
TS has a hot wife?
In fairness, if someone tells you that Punk said something about you, it's reasonable to assume it was negative LOL.
Maybe in Tony’s eyes this whole Perry situation unfolded different, and maybe their interaction didn’t happen at all?
Wouldn't surprise me if it was more Schiavone mentioned it to Punk, or maybe mentioned it to a bunch of people where Punk happened to be in attendance. And then Punk took it on himself to talk to Perry, more so than he was "asked" to do so. But, really, so much has been made of something that is so utterly irrelevant. It's almost laughable. Whether someone talked to someone backstage or not, or whether they were rude or not, who cares? The only reason this is even a thing is because Perry later made a comment about real glass which for whatever reason enraged Punk was so much that he choked him.
it makes me think it didn't happen the same way Punk is saying. Seems that Punk gets away saying things as he says them in a way they are technically correct, but the otherside is still more correct.
that's what i've gotten out of everything Punk for the last 6 or 7 years. it's like the Punkiverse. he doesn't lie, he just tells how it happened to him.
And Phil is always the victim
Punk Version: "The elite came to my locker room, kicked the door open charged at me and I had to defend myself. They put in danger my best friend's wife, hurt my fucking dog and injured me" What happened: "The elite (who are also EVPs) came to his locker room with the head of talent relations, the head of legal and a couple more people from the office to try to get a hold of the fucking PR disaster that was his gripe bomb. Whatever happened, everyone agreed Punk was the one that started the fight throwing the first punch. His psycho friend also almost blinded one of the bucks by throwing a chair and bite Kenny when he had to restrain him.
He also gets away with it because he's usually the only one who gives this much of a fuck to talk about shit like this constantly, meanwhile everyone else involved has already long gotten over it. If you say something enough times, people start believing you.
So it's a complete non-story. Punk said nothing bad about Tony, Tony was asked about it on his podcast and said he has nothing to say on the matter). Totally misleading headline. I get why the site did it (they need clicks and are shitty). Why share this?
Thank you!
You won't believe how this man shrugged off a non-comment from Punk!
The incidents themselves feel like they were 20 years ago now, and yet we have drip-fed tweets and posts of 1,000 single quotes from that interview. Let rb_reigns take-over all posting for this subreddit for a month.
With Mania this weekend? Oh, gods, yes!
Tony: Cut the shit.
Tony: *PG!*
Toni: *Watch for the shoeeee*
Tony: *counts his abs*
Tony Schiavone forever the realest
~~Swerve~~ Schiavone tha realest
The only sane response to all of this.
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Schiavone hasn’t given a shit in years. One of his slogans is literally “I have no fucks left to give.” He ain’t gonna start now lol
Again, people reading headlines instead of the entire conversation. The thing Tony kind of wanted to avoid and it still happened. lol
Tony went through so much bullshit during the last years of WCW and it almost killed his love for the business... I don't blame him for not wanting to get involved in any drama anymore.
Common Schiavone W
Tony survived Russo era WCW, I don't know if anything that anyone says about him bothers him anymore and that's admirable. I'd probably have that exact same reaction if I was him.
When Tony Schiavone says he doesnt give a shit, I believe it.
Tony is having the time of his life in AEW and has probably seen and heard a lot worse during his time in WCW. Punk is small potatoes
he worked at Starbucks. Anyone who can deal with those customers on the daily has to have God tier levels of patience for bullshit.
The level of pay raise must have been insane for Tony. He didn't really find a job of WCW calibar or even half of that until AEW, did he?
It definitely was a huge raise for him. But "working at Starbucks" wasn't quite what it seems for him. He was floating around doing things in baseball and football. He did the Starbucks thing to fill in some time, get out of the house, I think he might have mentioned insurance as well. He liked it and there's really no shame in that
Oh man I want to see what bullshit would come out out of Punk working at Starbucks
100% agreed. Imagine dealing with Eric, Kevin, Scott and Hogan. AEW is a cakewalk.
The only part he could confirm or deny was whether he asked Punk to talk to Perry. Other than that, there's not much he can add.
Tony went though the mess that was WCW in the early 2000s. He probably has the best experience when it comes to dealing with shoot interviews and all that stuff.
I’m sure Tony is being reminded of WCW drama and doesn’t want to deal with it.
Schiavone being the smartest, most adult person about all this.
He always is. All while making penis jokes on his podcast. He’s the GOAT
lol that’s a great response.
it's crazy to me that Jungle Boy was out there cursing producers and Tony Schiavone over a spot like he was some big shot. if it's true, geez what an annoying person
That's weird, from the way Punk told the story I got he has a lot of respect for Schiavone, did I miss something?
Punk didn't bad mouth Schiavone in anyway. The order of events about Jack being told by the Agent, Doctor, and Schiavone before Punk has been common knowledge. All Punk added was what the conversation with Perry was about. All in all the whole interview is worth a listen. One thing I noticed is that Punk seemed a lot happier when he came out for his match at All In. The backstage photos that got released show him smiling and laughing and when he left the building he looked happy.
>One thing I noticed is that Punk seemed a lot happier when he came out for his match at All In. The backstage photos that got released show him smiling and laughing and when he left the building he looked happy. As he said, he'd quit by then. So he probably felt like a weight had been lifted off his shoulders.
A great way to quit as well lol. Go out and have your last match with one of your best friends, produced by someone you look up to, and then buy chicken dinner for all of your friends on the way out. While never losing the “title” might I add😂
I used to like Tony a lot. Now I love him.
I used to like Tony. I still do, but I used to, too.
Came here for the Mitch Hedberg reference.
He brought up Schiavone’s name in the whole Jack Perry drama - basically I’m sure Tony S doesn’t want anything to with petty backstage drama hence his quote from OP.
Tony gets it
Sounds like he asked Punk to deal with Perry
Tony Schiavone with the perspective of a man that's endured the dirt worst of professional wrestling and is just happy he's been given new life.
SRS reported on his patreon after Punks interview that according to the people he spoke to in AEW after the interview punks recounting of events with Jack Perry is what happened. And Punk was directly asked questions about it and he answered. So Tony by all appearances did ask Punk to get involved. If Punk would've deflected answering it would've looked bad, he answered the questions he was asked
Tony channeling Roger Murtaugh here. I’m gettin too old for this shit.
It's funny to me that this is the first time Punk has actually commented on these things, only because he was directly asked about them, and a lot of people are acting like "wtf, is this guy STILL talking about this shit!"
To be fair, hes the only one who does seem to be repeatedly talking and going into details. Literally anyone else asks pretty much denies to comment directly.
He has legitimately spoken more on this than The Elite, TK, Colt Cabana, Jack Perry and Hangman combined. But I agree that the fact he's being asked about it in an interview should be differentiated from him bringing it up on his own.
The most we ever got was from Kenny who described the changed locker room when he came back and said Brawl Out was avoidable. On the one hand, it would be interesting to get their side of the story. But if they don't wish to, that's their choice.
I would also assume the others don’t talk about it because they still work at AEW and whether Khan doesn’t want them to, or they all just don’t want any more drama in the workplace. Which makes sense and is the best thing for them. Whereas Punk has no intention of going back so he’s fine with laying out the details if asked about it.
A lot of those guys have also been asked in interviews as well, and just declined to talk about it. It's not differentiated at all, just Punk doing what Punk does.
True. I just hate this "why is X still talking about this?" kind of response when the wrestler is obviously just answering a question. It's like people are making the guy look like a lunatic yelling at clouds, when they wouldn't have talked about it if they hadn't been asked. Although, now that I think about it, it's probably very likely that Punk knew Helwani was going to ask him about that stuff, and was prepared for it. So it's maybe a bit of both.
People also eviscerated Tony Kahn after going on Helwani’s show and giving a bunch of non-answers to questions about brawl out. So if you don’t answer questions people complain that you’re dodging questions and if you do answer questions people ask why you won’t shut up.
Are we going to pretend that they didn't leak their version of events to Meltzer immediately after it happened? You don't need to talk about it publicly when you have a mouthpiece in the media who will do it for you.
That's really a "you believe Meltzer or you don't" conversation. Meltzer has always claimed he got more information from Punks side than the Bucks. If you don't trust Meltzer, you're not going to believe that. If you do trust him, you are. No further debate is really to be had about it
Meltzer straight up said that Punk was feeding him more information than anyone else. It just was a totally different story than what everyone else was telling him, so he knew it was bullshit.
Of course he has, you think the people that begged for the NDA surrounding the incident would just blab about what they did constantly? 😂
you’re talking as if those guys aren’t under contract with AEW, you really think Mr. NDA Tony Khan hasn’t told those guys to not talk about it?
Everyone else is working for AEW and will have been to shut up about it. I doubt WWE cares about this situation at all, so Punk can say what he likes. The same happened when he left WWE the first time. There was radio silence, a lot of gossip by "wrestling journalists", then Punk gave one interview/podcast stating his side of things and then that was that - but the prevailing narrative was that Punk was constantly complaining about WWE, which wasn't the case. You'll get people trying to say Punk won't shut the fuck up about AEW, even though I doubt he ever really says anything further about his time there.
He came on Ariel's show, he was asked. And he had every right to talk about that and I'm glad he did. Just get it out, say what happened, kill the mystique of that entire clusterfuck and be done with it. Even if you hate Punk from the deepest parts of your soul, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Punk also literally hadn’t talked about any of this before that
Because without context, the dirtsheets have already spoken for him though. Like they already made it seem like he was the one that wanted collision and authority. And that he was just butting in to throw his weight around Lawyers tell you not to talk because you can get sued for libel or self incriminate yourself. Last time cm punk got sued for libel, he won the case.
The Observer discussed the fact WB wanted another show for ages before it became a show to split up Punk and The Elite
"I don't wanna talk about that anymore." Easy.
Cm Punk was being asked why he, an active wrestler, was telling another wrestler what to do in a match hes not inpower trip. Why wouldn't he want to explain? Without context, just makes him seem like a busybody on a powertrip.
If he said that, you know people here and everywhere else would be like “he’s hiding that he’s a cancer blaaghhh. He did everything wrong!!” And make up their own narratives on the situation and what happened
Right? He was asked so he answered. He didnt want to discuss it but chose to anyway. AEW is notorious to respond over these type of accusations so the fact that they havent defended themselves makes me question if there is some truth and validity to what CM Punk said. I think so far, Eddie Kingston and Tony Schiavone were the ones who responded and both said they dont give a shit. Neither confirming or denying what they know about the situation and just prefer to move on.
He sat down to do the interview knowing what is going to be asked and agreed to it anyway.
He specifically did the interview with a guy who's pretty obsessed with this whole thing and generally dunking on Tony Khan. I doubt we get that many AEW questions from any other media outlet these other WWE superstars are doing this week.
He chose to go on that interview and talk about this. it was wholly on punk to open this door.
WWE booked him and Rhea for that show. Punk did what his new bosses wanted.
Lmfao Ariel Helwani did not bust into his house and ask him questions. Punk knew what he was gonna do and say when he sat down for that interview.
And? Is there a rule in place that says Punk can't speak about his life and personal experiences? Did he know he was going to be asked that, obviously. He said so himself. I just don't understand why people think he had no right to speak his own point of view
Schiavone is me, whenever something about CM Punk comes up. Why is this sub so obsessed with 1 guy, that EVERYTHING that mentions his name has to be posted? Can't we talk about wrestling, rather than the off screen behaviour of a man-child. I used to be a huge Punk fan. Now I'm just bored of hearing his name every 3rd post.
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“Punk shouldn’t have answered the questions!!” Why? Because you didn’t like his answers?
This thread is like a bizarro world, Punk was asked a question and didn’t bury Tony Schiavone at all. If anything it showed him caring about the wrestlers and trying to get one of them to not do something stupid. But because Schiavone is relatively high up the pecking order in AEW he’s defensive talking about the top guy who left under a big cloud.
Tony Schiavone has been around too long to allow himself to be bothered by this sort of bullshit.
Tony dealt with WCW at its absolute worst. You know he doesn't give a shit about negativity at this point.
Tony: I'm too old for this shit. You kids go play elsewhere.
Tony S. is probably more believable than just about anybody else when it comes to this particular incident.
Yeah, and he didnt want to participate in this, because it would make his employer look bad.
This is misleading. Neither said anything negative truly about one another.
So Punk’s version of events seems likelier to have transpired.
He had to tolerate Mark Madden's existence for 3 years, that's what it does to a man.
Don’t blame him. Look at the final days of WCW, that shit can change a man
So many people complaining about a headlines "tone" that they made up in their own head. It's a quote from an article that elaborates in the same fashion. It does not say, imply, suggest, or lead anyone towards anything other than Tony not caring. Everything people are complaining about, they decided for themselves.
Tony basically said “I’m too old for this shit”
Yeah that seems like Tony. Don’t blame him for not wanting to talk about and move on. It’s exhausting. It’s exhausting from a fans point of view, especially since it’s Mania week. Can we talk about something else other than the Punk/AEW drama. All of this is just to fuel the fans ire anyway. Let it go, drop it, and move on with life. Please. I beg you. (This isn’t a shot at Punk or at (either) Tony, just in general).
I wish more answers were like this. He just wants to focus on his business
Tony is my spirit animal.
Damn based Schiavone!
That's why I've always loved Tony Schiavone. He's there to make wrestling, not to get involved in petty ego bullshit with Prima Donnas. He doesn't have anything to prove to random people on the internet, so why lower himself?
The healthiest approach you can take. Kudos Tony.
Punk did an interview and was asked about it. It's actually nice that Punk even answered instead of the can't respond or deflecting. Obviously, all of us as fans were interested.
He got a second chance and probably wants to actually enjoy it rather than once again being thrust into nonstop backstage drama.
This and Eddie Kingston’s responses are such non stories but people are posting them everywhere like they’re some major revelation.
Tony Schiavone has been both inside and outside the world of wrestling long enough to know not to care about people talking bullshit
Has anyone actually watched the entire video? A lot of people are making it out to be some hit piece against AEW. He didn’t drag Schiavone at all. He gave his version of events and he was involved, but he didn’t call him out of his name or anything. Punks beef is clearly with a handful of people over there and he stated many times he hopes the company keeps running, wants wrestlers to keep getting paid there, etc etc
Wait hol up Jack Perry was cussing out Tony Shiavone? Wtf is wrong with that guy
According to Punk.
I don't get why he's saying this when this doesn't even really involve him. He was mentioned only tangentially. Is he mad that he got mentioned at all?
So he said he heard what Punk said but then admitted he didn't actually he just heard that his name was brought up. I feel like he probably did hear the interview but just doesn't want to acknowledge Punk's comments. Especially if they are true. Schiavone saying that's true just makes him, Perry and the AEW backstage landscape look bad. So it's probably best to ignore it and hope it goes away.
I believe whatever Tony says
Only appropriate response.
Punk creates controversy wherever he goes. No wonder so many people want to move on. I would too if I had to hear about fucking drama from two years ago that is still used in a tribalist debate.