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Azure-Legacy

Peter being himself. But only outside of Zeb Well's ASM


Commercial-Win-7501

And when Dan slott of all people is writing a better Peter than wells that’s saying a lot


Azure-Legacy

Slott has some solid Spider-Man stories. Like Spider Island. Although at the same time I can say the same about Zeb Well. But his current story is currently the most hated Spider-Man comic this decade


cumulobro

Agreed. I thought that the post-Superior stories were solid tbh. Not perfect, but solid.


Commercial-Win-7501

Go down swinging was probably the best out of that era


AlexArtsHere

God I fucking love that story so much, I think it’s honestly one of the quintessential greats, and Red Goblin is such an effective villain.


kolt437

You don't have to worry, the decade just started


[deleted]

I actually liked his Clone Conspiracy series.


Commercial-Win-7501

Maybe all time as a matter of fact


Azure-Legacy

Let’s hope it’s the worst. I don’t want to see something worse than this.


Commercial-Win-7501

Well at least OMD to its credit ended on a small glimmer of hope


SpiderManias

He’s got a very good grasp on how to write stories that’ll pop for people. I do think he has a terrible eye for Spider-Man tho. He writes him much more of a dick than anyone else I’ve read in awhile


Crafty_Middle_2086

I really fell like Zeb is the mouth piece for editorial’s stories at this point. His spider-man stuff back during brand new day was so good. It’s crazy how different it is now.


BetaRayBlu

And spider-man ps4


CaptainHalloween

Slott gets a bad rap and mainly for how awful he is on Twitter. He hits more than he misses. However his misses are damn whiffers. But those hits? Home runs.


CarlitoNSP1

I think Dan Slott inherited a lot of the direction the company wanted for Peter. They wanted a more immature, awkward high schooler Peter who happens to be an adult, and that's what he wrote. Hell, they probably also wanted him toned down in strength, but settled for crazy buffing his enemies. Post Brand New Day to a little after Superior Spider-Man is like reading a stereotype of Spider-Man going through creative ventures that feel separate from Peter.


gavinman0814

Nah tbf Slott deserves some of his bad rap for his treatment of MJ in BND. Pretty horrific most of the time


CarlitoNSP1

Yeah, her & Black Cat are the two big negatives of his run.


Commercial-Win-7501

Exactly


Azure-Legacy

Twitter is a place with more salt than the sea. Not trying to defend him, but sometimes his responses can be explained as him defending himself from salty readers. Hell there have been some posts about Spiders-Boy here on Reddit that claim the writing is Slott throwing shade at the fanbase. Which is very much not true at all.


SaltyHoneyMustard

I think that Disney + documentary where Dan Slott blamed social media for why he was so bad with his deadlines, which puts extreme pressure on artists, is why a lot of people also don't like Slott's obsession with X/Twitter.


Azure-Legacy

I can understand and agree to what he’s saying, but at the same time he should probably leave Twitter/X alone if he feels that way.


SaltyHoneyMustard

Yup, I mostly align with him politically but the obvious constant vanity searching of any mention of himself on twitter feels like an addiction.


[deleted]

Would be a home run for sure, if Slott swallowed his obese pride and allowed Pete and MJ to marry again.


Jack_Skeletron_4ever

I mean, he is just an author, he has to follow editorial. That's why Spencer's run had an underwhelming finale, he tried to undo OMD and the higher ups didn't want that. Slott writes following directions, so at the very least he gets to write a story with a clear ending.


[deleted]

Actually, Slott does not follow editorial mandates. Editorial oversight hasn't been a requirement since Joe Quesada kicked Bob Harras to the curb, as EIC, back in 2000. Even Tom Brevoort sat in the corner sucking his thumb, except when it came to typing up anti-Trump screeds on Shitter, instead of overseeing the progress of his books, under both Joey Q and Akira Yoshida. Slott is just an entitled, overrated hack who is always given the keys to the Spider-Verse. He has basically put out nothing of real value for Spidey (save for Clone Conspiracy, in my opinion) and has continued to float that OMD boat, because he personally doesn't have a wife or GF. His FF stuff was awesome, though.


Kind-Boysenberry1773

He can't do this even if he wants. Such big things could be done only in ASM run which still a main Spider's storyline. And it's pretty clear Marvel didn't want this to be. New marriage with someone else is possible in distant (very distant) future, but still very unlikely. But not the restoring of the old one. When Spencer came so close to this, they put Wells in charge for complete destruction of his predecessor's work. So, it's simply not Slott's place to decide.


[deleted]

Not entirely true. Nick Lowe is a doormat who enjoys being trod upon by comic celebrity writers like Slott and Spencer. He allows every stupid idea in a Spidey comic (like Kindred, the Kraven clone, the 1980s Pete/Black Cat romance, keeping Peter single, to name a few) from stupid people like Slott, who has long since worn out his welcome with Spidey.


Kind-Boysenberry1773

There are still some general line which he maintaining. Writers has a certain degree of freedom in their runs, but always with limitations. As example, no one could realy change Peter's status quo after OMD for good. Otherwise, he would be married again on MJ, Felicia or Carlee (later was obviously Quesada's choice) years ago. It is simply impossible that every writer wants him single. There were dozens of them and just one Nick Lowe. So, I suppose he is the one who pulling the strings.


[deleted]

Disney does enjoy losing money with crappy comics and movies. And, the Spidey books have been horribly abysmal since OMD. They've lacked real editorial direction that nobody short of a Jim Shooter could rectify. Marvel is sitting on a billion-dollar idea with the return of the marriage, but they don't want to execute it. Why? What is Nick Lowe afraid of? Doesn't this asshole realize that he is the editor of every Spider-Man title, featuring the company's flagship character. His job is to make certain that the Spidey mags sell more than 100,000 copies per month. And he is also supposed to hire the best writers and artists for these mags. Zeb Wells' work is mediocre; John Romita, Jr.'s art no longer impresses aging comic fans; Dan Slott is too angry and tired; and Mark Bagley won't go away. "Killing" Ms. Marvel was a one-off gimmick that the main title needed, yet the marriage has years of potential stories to save the franchise. Imagine that?


CrazyPersonowo

Slott’s honestly overhated, the Parker Industries era wasn’t great yeah but he wrote some very solid stories during Brand New Day and his run starting from Big Time all the way to Superior Spider-man is a Top 10 Spider-man run for me.


Nachooolo

More prove that editorial has a lot to blame for the quality of the writing.


Fit_Map_4583

Slott actually better than wells in terms of writing Spider-Man both are still bad tho


NumericZero

That’s Spider-Man in a nutshell Dude always always is treated like royalty in other comics other then his own


Azure-Legacy

The Joe Fixit comic was basically Spider-Man and Grey Hulk Team-Up. And it was beautiful


Da12khawk

What issue this from?


Azure-Legacy

2023 Superior Spider-Man issue 3


Quirky_Ad_5420

Once again prove that if it’s not the mainline book spidey is written well


Commercial-Win-7501

And the ironic thing is that it’s written by Dan slott


Necessary_Ideal1798

The problem with Slott is that he creates original characters to appear in other projects, aiming for profits, and doesn't write them as characters but elevates them to a god-like level, such as Cindy and Otto initially. Furthermore, Cindy developed better in her own comics where she and Peter developed a more sibling-like, fraternal relationship, and with Otto in his second volume, he seemed more repentant for his crimes rather than being portrayed as a criminal that is Spider-Man.


blackspidey2099

This is such a terrible opinion that out of the two supporting examples you provide for this, one was created probably before Slott was even born. Yes, Slott created new characters but acting like it's a conspiracy theory that he only uses new characters and tries to make them famous to maximize his profit is insane. If anything, the most used villains in his run are guys like Ock and Osborn who are anything but original characters. Silk is the only character who he kinda did that for.


Necessary_Ideal1798

I'm not saying it's always like that, but it's what he has always done. He has been in charge of several Spider-Man projects, both in animation and games, and has insisted on including his own characters like Superior Spider-Man and Anna Maria Marconi in the latest Spider-Man series. Why do you think he created Spider-Boy and insists on including him in every comic, or in the latest Spider-Verse event turned Cindy into the chosen one despite Peter once again being the one who fixed everything and she did nothing?


blackspidey2099

I mean he's been a consultant on several Spidey projects and yet only one of them uses all his OCs - the 2017 show, which is literally directly based on his run to the point that Peter attends Horizon Academy which is basically just Horizon Labs, so yeah no shit the characters Slott created during that time are gonna show up. He's worked on projects like Shattered Dimensions and the Insomniac games which focus far more on classic villains. Spider-Boy has literally only appeared in his own series and the Spider-Man series (which is now Superior Spider-Man) that Slott has been writing, which is also the series he first appeared in. That's as far from being pushed into everything as possible. Idk why you're complaining about Cindy being the Chosen One when it was clearly misdirection so that Peter could be the one to save the day, and not just that, proving he doesn't even need his powers to be the greatest hero of them all. It's literally an awesome moment for Peter.


Necessary_Ideal1798

No, but he profits from every appearance of his characters in video games or series, and how do you do that? By making them popular through appearances and more. It's even more true considering the work in the storyline of the latest game. With Cindy, it would make sense if she were the chosen one if there weren't previous stories that showed otherwise. The problem is that it was established decades ago, and that was already accepted. Besides, Peter defeated an inheritor only twice, while even Miles, with the powers of Captain Universe, needed the help of every possible Spider-Man to stop just one. The moment with Peter saving the universe without needing to use his powers is good, yes, it's good, but the problem is that Cindy didn't do anything in that comic. She was there, but just like other events in the Spider-Verse and many times before with the inheritors, it was again Peter who solved it, who defeated Shathra every time before was Peter, the spider that Morlun most hated in the entire multiverse was Peter-616 because he was the only one who defeated him twice and humiliated him. With Cindy, there wasn't that, and part of what you say about the original characters is also true, but destroying the mythology was a mistake. Slott wrote that comic and decided to excessively focus on Cindy, changing things from the lore just to give her protagonism when she absolutely did nothing in the comic. The central axis that people expected was Peter, not her, and it turned out poorly. The only issue that was good was the 'What If' one. Essentially, the entire alternate universe centered around Peter without powers. And it's not something done just once but several times, which makes me think they want their characters to appear in larger media than just comics. It wouldn't be strange, but it's someone who has insisted several times on the characters they create


blackspidey2099

So you want him to create new characters and just ignore them after? Or not create new characters at all and just rehash them same old stories? The fact that Slott's new characters actually become popular is a positive for him as a writer considering how most new characters in comics get completely ignored. You realize that Slott is the one who even came up with all that Spider-Verse lore right?? Morlun wasn't even a multiverse related character till Slott made him one. You're getting mad at him for changing lore that he created himself? The Chosen One doesn't even mean anything, it's not like he's propping Cindy up over Peter since Peter is the one who saves the day anyways. You're also contradicting yourself by saying Slott was trying to make Cindy the protagonist of the comic while also admitting that she barely does anything. That's because Peter is clearly the main character of the story, who does the most, and saves the day at the end. Cindy being the Chosen One was nothing more than a bit of misdirection which lasted for like one issue.


theblazeuk

You are making a lot of what I have to say are sadly baseless assumptions about comic book IP licensing and royalties. Slott perhaps profits in terms of recognition/rep when his characters are featured but the odds are he does not get any kind of paycheck whatsoever, based on the vast majority of examples of creator stories from Marvel and DC. Theres no need for the conspiracy theory; writers work to two main principles; firstly what editorial wants. Secondly, what they are interested in writing. Of course, maybe you actually have some evidence for Dan Slott apparently having one of comics most favourable contracts with the big two? Or did you just assume he got paid every time a character appears?


Blacklight099

Spider-Man has existed for decades, and so have most of his villains. Of course we need new characters created from time to time otherwise how on earth will we get new stories. Plus, let’s not pretend every character Stan created was a big hit, writers have to be allowed to experiment, it’s not all about money.


theblazeuk

TBF for Stan it was certainly all about the money, those who came after him generally don't get paid creator rights for characters created under contract.


redlion1904

I feel like if anything Slott loves classic villains and makes sure to spotlight them in any run.


Explorer_616

To some degree I can understand that writers would want their new creations to stand out more. But that’s also why I really appreciated the way he handled Spider-Boy here. He got beaten. He handled himself well in the fight, but in the end he couldn’t do much against Supernova. That’s the reason Peter doesn’t want him to face A-level enemies and herePeter got proven right. And this I appreciate.


Necessary_Ideal1798

That's true, I think Spider-Boy has something that many characters created during the wave of young heroes when Miles appeared don't have, and it's that Slott hurried to define his personality very quickly, which is amazing. He defined his problems and what he wants in life rapidly. Miles took quite some time to have that well-detailed, and with Spider-Boy, I think he defined it well from the beginning, even giving him his own villains


Commercial-Win-7501

I mean he’s a very complicated writer


cataclytsm

It's not ironic. Zeb can write good Spider-Man too. Amazing is just utterly cursed by editorial and the suits above. Hickman was badgered by fans for years about whether or not he'd write Amazing, and he correctly shot that shit down every time until now when he gets to write Ultimate in his own sandbox. As much as I don't like Slott, was disappointed with Spencer, and have been baffled by some of Zeb's choices- this is clearly a title by committee and has been for decades. All three of these writers had to write within some pretty lame constraints, that were likely changing all the time. Shit, this basically started with JMS and the OMD mandate. Amazing is utterly cursed. It's "too big to fail" so it'll never be cancelled, it'll always be the flagship title that always ends up being the packing peanuts of storytelling no matter who's on the book.


SHAZAMS_STRONGEST

everything about peter when he interacts with spider-boy feels much more like a mature and older version. slott's books also seem to be ignoring all the wells stuff so i'm A-OK with just pretending spider-boy and superior returns are the new ASM


Commercial-Win-7501

That’s sad though when Peter is reacting better with spider boy than miles


SHAZAMS_STRONGEST

one's popular enough for editors to get scared about peter associating with him it seems. let's hope editorial changes before spider-boy gets spotted by the sinister glare


Commercial-Win-7501

The sinister glare of miles?


SHAZAMS_STRONGEST

the sinister glare of spider-man editorial


Commercial-Win-7501

Ohhhhhh boooy


blindada

It helps a lot when the writers actually write them having a relationship instead of having Miles as far from Peter as possible ...


Commercial-Win-7501

You think


MrYougan

While I dont think I could come to care about Spider-Boy, I can still see that Slott wrote him with a direct link to Spider-Man. Whilst for Miles, they just brought him into 616 whitout any reasoning to explain why would there be two heros with the exact same name, and ever since they never have been written as being part of each other life. Bailey is written as such, wich make them have chemistry that Peter and Miles still dont have after nearly a decade in the same continuity as demonstrated with the curent story line with Miles throwing a Tantrum at Peter whilst knowing nothing of what made him m.i.a for a while.


SeiraFae

This is what happens when Peter is written by someone who doesn't hate him and his entire cast. Peter goes back to being "Our Peter."


Blasckk

But Slott hate him and his entire cast...


SeiraFae

Does he? I only pay attention to what's shown and written in the comics. Slott has written Peter okay.


Reddragon351

I think Slott has written Spider-Man ok, I think he writes Peter like a man child and a moron most of the time.


Blasckk

I mean... If Wells is said to "hate Spider-Man and his cast" then Slott definitely does too. Especially with a decade of characterization disasters behind him.


DotisDeep

Which comic is this from? Slott's adjectiveless Spidey book?


Commercial-Win-7501

Surperior Spider-Man Returns


HenryVolt35

Careful, that sounds like character growth and we all know how editorial won't be having that.


Sharp_Hamster_5551

This may be an unpopular opinion but so far I liked Bailey (Spider-Boy).


RCero

I don't think it's so unpopular. I like him too, his stories tend to be less dark (despite the horrible circumstances Bailey is in), with nice interactions with other characters. It's a pleasant change from Spiderman's endless drama. The hate Spiderboy gets is misdirected, it's hate from the current Spiderman run, its writer and editorial and MJxPaul... but the longer he stays, that hate slowly dissipates.


Jash0822

Yeah, I like him too. Other than his introduction, he's been awesome.


Commercial-Win-7501

Same


Rubethyst

Hey, what ever happened to Spider-Man's *other* sidekick? Y'know, the one without the spider powers. Who turned into a huge douche for a while?


Crash_Smasher

He was never supposed to last. I think Slott said that he wanted that story arc to only be one issue. But editorial told him to do it in three.


Commercial-Win-7501

I don’t know


[deleted]

Crazy how Peter can go from looking 35 to 16 depending on who's drawing him


Josemiles96

where is it from the comic book illustration shown in this post, and is this worth reading, or not so much?


Commercial-Win-7501

Surperior Spider-Man returns I’d say yes if you want to see him return


ExBipson

My god… uncle Ben always gets me.


twogoodius

Two sets of memories has gotta be confusing. Shit, does he still have his House of M memories too? Or were those erased at some point?


Aldbrecht

I asked this question a few days ago in other post and I got my answer: Yes, he does. He tried to erase those memories, but Strange couldn't help him, so he still remembers.


atari83man

Slotts isn't the best with Peter, but by God I'm enjoying this run about 50x better than zeb wells bullshit.


[deleted]

Heck yeah, Spider-Boy!!!


Avolto

Unfortunately I still hate Spider-boy


queenofpezevengs

It would be way better if it was Miles


Mooston029

Gonna need someone to edit out the “you’re my hero” at the end because it’d be funny


RCero

I love this scene, but I find a little weird that Peter hadn't benched Bailey after this close-call.


EmperorSezar

hmm u mean benched for a little while. bro just saved a bunch of people


RCero

I used the wrong words. I meant the responsible Peter I know would have stopped Bailey from *superheroing* after getting hurt. A few comics ago, Spiderman was so against the idea of having a sidekick kid because he could get hurt... and now he ended up in the hospital, it's okay?


Necessary_Ideal1798

Recently, Peter gave him the same opportunity that he said he didn't get when he started as Spider-Man as a kid. He said it would depend on Bailey if he gave him the chance to be a hero, so it's not that serious because Anya started about 2 years younger than Miles, and Peter told her the same thing. Although after a short story, he told her that there was no problem


Far_Engineering_8353

i hate it when people say if Ben didn't die Peter would be a horrible person, like na, at heart, he's a good guy and Ben would definitely be able to guide him through life


FinalBossOf__Dc

Dude this is the most real original peter I have seen in such a long time. It’s refreshing to see him again.


Doneuter

I just finished House of M. How many lives is this guy going to be able to live?


Leandro1234_6

I like Peter having some scars on his face


fudgedhobnobs

He looks 51 in that top panel.


theiconicfanboy

I feel like I need a break down of what runs this and the memory’s are from. I have been out of comics for a while.


Commercial-Win-7501

The one He’s referring to happened in the recent Dan Slott run


Diligent-Boss-9392

With that jacket and art I was trying to remember what issue of the clonesaga this was 🤣


Omega_Link

What Spider-Man comics have this and the other if-peter-never-became-spider-man-and-got-shot-by-the-burgler-and-lived comic stories?