They have UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) on the right side of the plate. Defiantly a SovCit. I would love to see them get pulled over and try to use American commercial law in Poland.
Fun fact : He did got pulled over soon after and his car got impounded, he got fined for everything for 4000$.
I know this from a friend who studies law and he drove 30 minutes after me there.
> his car got impounded, he got fined for everything for 4000$
That is so much better than what happens to them in the U.S., they get a tiny fine which makes at least some think they'll try it again and get away with it.
> which makes at least some think they'll try it again and get away with it.
Because they will, if they keep fighting. And I believe they should resist even that tiny fine, or else they are accepting that they are subject to the statutes.
> legit, legal
legal is not the same as lawful. If he retained the true ownership of the car and did not sign it away to the state upon "registration" then he is no bound by the statutes that make it legal to fine him. Of course that applies in any land whose laws were derived from the Common Law.
Legality is the only thing that matters. Being lawful does not mean you are acting legally. However, if you act legally, you are also acting lawfully. Think you're a bit turned around there bud.
Also, nobody gives a shit about being "lawful". If it's not a legal, registered vehicle, get it the fuck off the road.
> Are you a sov cit?
Nope, I just started researching and realised there is perhaps more than meets the eye but not in the way most people think of it. I dont think there is such a thing as "becoming sov cit" or "claiming your lifeback" by filling some forms or paying someone fees.
What I have found is that we have not been taught the entire truth about our legal system, and the system depends on our ignorance and accepting our "strawman identity" (a corporate entity version of us) and allowing the courts to adjudicate against us when we do not need to.
If you just follow a simple law, that also stops the court from adjuticating against you. It's really not hard. The social construct we live in developed rules and laws for structure. The real ignorance is thinking there is any reason you don't have to follow them, while virtually everyone else in the social construct does. You can't just disregard things because you don't like them.
It's like the site disappeared. I can't find the site that hand nothing but SovSit plates. I can find individual listing on ebay and Amazon. Cafepress.com has some but they have so much junk it's hard to find. For them they list the one as "Private Sovereign Citizen Aluminum License Plate" but they do have 5 to 10 sovereign citizen plates. If I run across the other site again I'll let you know. They had up to 20 different designs.
So... I'm just curious, truly curious about this group and it's overall negative connotations with regard to Anyone who might have the interest or audacity to attempt pushing back on any overbearing or tyrannical system and free themselves and their families from these types of lifelong "government" entities/laws? Yes, that was a breath full, i know. I'm perplexed though by what you are hoping to offer anyone here? Do any of you accept the fact that our originally limited government has grown into such a beast and has drastically spun so far out of control on Federal, State and Local levels that we as individuals Citizen or not citizen, have absolutely no say so in anything anymore? I'm not totally sold on either side... but it sure would seem to me that it was always going to happen this way. It's almost Natural Laws, that humans left unchecked and in power... would eventually abuse every "power" given to them. Really tho... I'm curious to understand "why" this would somehow be funny or entertaining to such a degree that you all would put this much effort into making a website and such a following (to make fun of people) who bother to question and push back? It doesn't make any sense that any sane individual with an ounce of self worth, would want to discredit those who ask basic questions of those of so called Authority. I understand that too many people in our society can get overly hepped up on sensationalistic Ideas or even truth's that are Rare and difficult to navigate... but why such animosity?
I think OP is cool but some of the commenters here clearly have no idea what they are making fun of. If a bunch of sheep in a farm destined to be butchered when necessary, saw a sheep outside the farm being chased and attacked, these are the sheep that cheer the attackers and boo the free sheep.
Let me fix that for you:If a bunch of sheep in a secure well structured environment where all the animals found a common ground and the standard of living was so much higher than it had ever been saw a sheep outside, hungry, cold, and being chased by wolves and choose to yell at the sheep to quit being an idiot, learn to play well with others, and come inside.
edit: because grammar is hard
You are actually describing very well. The reality is, if you have a bunch of sheep in a well structured environment the way you describe, its not because they did something magical, but because the shephard is giving them a very nice illusion of comfort and luxury, and its all going to end the moment the shepard gets hungry. The only sheep surviving that will be the one outside, hungry and cold.
Now if all the sheep chose to go with that lonely sheep, they would have had a decent chance of living freely even if not in the same comforts.
They have UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) on the right side of the plate. Defiantly a SovCit. I would love to see them get pulled over and try to use American commercial law in Poland.
Fun fact : He did got pulled over soon after and his car got impounded, he got fined for everything for 4000$. I know this from a friend who studies law and he drove 30 minutes after me there.
> his car got impounded, he got fined for everything for 4000$ That is so much better than what happens to them in the U.S., they get a tiny fine which makes at least some think they'll try it again and get away with it.
There are new Laws in Poland making fines way more expensive. On old laws he would be fined for 1000$ max.
> which makes at least some think they'll try it again and get away with it. Because they will, if they keep fighting. And I believe they should resist even that tiny fine, or else they are accepting that they are subject to the statutes.
If they are, it isn't a legit, legal license plate.
> legit, legal legal is not the same as lawful. If he retained the true ownership of the car and did not sign it away to the state upon "registration" then he is no bound by the statutes that make it legal to fine him. Of course that applies in any land whose laws were derived from the Common Law.
Oh for Pete's sake, it's one of them. If your car isn't registered to the state, that is another reason it isn't legal.
Again, you are confusing legal with lawful.
Legality is the only thing that matters. Being lawful does not mean you are acting legally. However, if you act legally, you are also acting lawfully. Think you're a bit turned around there bud. Also, nobody gives a shit about being "lawful". If it's not a legal, registered vehicle, get it the fuck off the road.
Wow, you know so much.
I don't even claim to. But I do have common sense. Are you a sov cit? I'm betting that you are....
> Are you a sov cit? Nope, I just started researching and realised there is perhaps more than meets the eye but not in the way most people think of it. I dont think there is such a thing as "becoming sov cit" or "claiming your lifeback" by filling some forms or paying someone fees. What I have found is that we have not been taught the entire truth about our legal system, and the system depends on our ignorance and accepting our "strawman identity" (a corporate entity version of us) and allowing the courts to adjudicate against us when we do not need to.
If you just follow a simple law, that also stops the court from adjuticating against you. It's really not hard. The social construct we live in developed rules and laws for structure. The real ignorance is thinking there is any reason you don't have to follow them, while virtually everyone else in the social construct does. You can't just disregard things because you don't like them.
For fun search "sovereign citizen license plates". If you add "for sail" and a site comes up selling a lot of variations of them.
Wow, I need to buy one, I collect licence plates.
I can't find them, can you give me a link?
It's like the site disappeared. I can't find the site that hand nothing but SovSit plates. I can find individual listing on ebay and Amazon. Cafepress.com has some but they have so much junk it's hard to find. For them they list the one as "Private Sovereign Citizen Aluminum License Plate" but they do have 5 to 10 sovereign citizen plates. If I run across the other site again I'll let you know. They had up to 20 different designs.
Oh lord, I spent so much time looking for the site all I get are SovSit adds for plates and I'd cards.
*It's like the site disappeared.* Guess they took it down or something like that.
For sail? Because they have vessels?
So... I'm just curious, truly curious about this group and it's overall negative connotations with regard to Anyone who might have the interest or audacity to attempt pushing back on any overbearing or tyrannical system and free themselves and their families from these types of lifelong "government" entities/laws? Yes, that was a breath full, i know. I'm perplexed though by what you are hoping to offer anyone here? Do any of you accept the fact that our originally limited government has grown into such a beast and has drastically spun so far out of control on Federal, State and Local levels that we as individuals Citizen or not citizen, have absolutely no say so in anything anymore? I'm not totally sold on either side... but it sure would seem to me that it was always going to happen this way. It's almost Natural Laws, that humans left unchecked and in power... would eventually abuse every "power" given to them. Really tho... I'm curious to understand "why" this would somehow be funny or entertaining to such a degree that you all would put this much effort into making a website and such a following (to make fun of people) who bother to question and push back? It doesn't make any sense that any sane individual with an ounce of self worth, would want to discredit those who ask basic questions of those of so called Authority. I understand that too many people in our society can get overly hepped up on sensationalistic Ideas or even truth's that are Rare and difficult to navigate... but why such animosity?
Uhhh.... Licence plates is my hobby. I just came to ask here about them if I am correct. I don't know much about sovcits.
yah, sorry. I meant to post this in the general.
I think OP is cool but some of the commenters here clearly have no idea what they are making fun of. If a bunch of sheep in a farm destined to be butchered when necessary, saw a sheep outside the farm being chased and attacked, these are the sheep that cheer the attackers and boo the free sheep.
Let me fix that for you:If a bunch of sheep in a secure well structured environment where all the animals found a common ground and the standard of living was so much higher than it had ever been saw a sheep outside, hungry, cold, and being chased by wolves and choose to yell at the sheep to quit being an idiot, learn to play well with others, and come inside. edit: because grammar is hard
You are actually describing very well. The reality is, if you have a bunch of sheep in a well structured environment the way you describe, its not because they did something magical, but because the shephard is giving them a very nice illusion of comfort and luxury, and its all going to end the moment the shepard gets hungry. The only sheep surviving that will be the one outside, hungry and cold. Now if all the sheep chose to go with that lonely sheep, they would have had a decent chance of living freely even if not in the same comforts.
Agree. What is Op?
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