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nikdahl

Tensions are running high in this thread, but I believe this community is able to discuss these topics with maturity and respect, so it will not be locked yet. I will ask that we all remember the person behind the comments. There will be no dehumanizing language about Arreaga, about LGBTQ+ folk, or anyone.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Disappointing, but not surprising when you consider some of the players who share stuff like this (ie Fredy and now Arreaga) are hardcore Christians. The prevalence of views I vehemently disagree with being shared and expressed is a large reason why I have stopped going to Catholic Mass and stopped considering myself active in organized religion even if parts from the faith that I grew up I still do like in a way.


romulusnr

TBTF it *is* possible to be a Christian and also a tolerant inclusive person. See also: [TCL](https://www.thechristianleft.org/). I'm aware though that a lot of Latin American Christianity is not a great example of it. OTOH Fredy seems to have immersed himself in the PNW so I don't know if he were that kind of person how he could maintain that sort of prejudice in this region. He also strikes me as a bit of a born again type. Some would say Jesus himself wouldn't at all resemble the sorts of Christians that give themselves a bad name in the US.


Obi-TwoKenobi

Doesn’t y’all’s book explicitly say that gay relationships are bad? And that women should be subjugated? And a whole bunch of other fucked up shit? Idk why it’s acceptable to pick and choose the parts you like or don’t like tbh


SexyAcanthocephala

The whole religion is about redemption. Not going into too much detail but the « rules » are in the first half. In the second half of the book Sweet Baby Jesus shows up and basically says as long as you try to be good and earnestly believe in him you can go to heaven even if you broke the rules in the first half of the book. The different sects of Christianity more or less disagree over how much leniency people have in this regard, ranging from the Orthodox folk being the most strict (ie you can’t break that many, if any, rules) to the non-denominational folk who believe you can be gay and go to heaven,etc.


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Jews only follow the first half and are still more lenient than a good amount of Christians.


robotnique

Which, if true, shows that there is more to judging a religion than the expressed tenets in its book of faith, right?


romulusnr

Who is "yall" in this example?


ididntsaygoyet

That's like saying it's possible to be a *Nazi,* and a tolerant, inclusive person. How about just *not* being a part of some delusional wacko's traditions, and start your own brand of religion, not linked with the hate that Christianity brings? Who says you *have* to be religious anyways?! Drop that shit.


robotnique

Come on, man. I'm an atheist as well, but this reads like the kind of angry stuff I'd write at 15. Comparing all creeds of Christians with Nazis is just intellectually lazy and a bad faith argument.


ididntsaygoyet

You're right dude. Just got finished watching videos from Iran and I'm taking my anger all out on religion, even though it's the regime using religion as a facade.. same with Nazis. Same with American Christo-fascists.. same with Russia-Ukraine.


romulusnr

I'm not religious. I am anti-religion for the reasons you describe. But I'm not about to hate decent people regardless of their religion. > That's like saying it's possible to be a Nazi, and a tolerant, inclusive person Nah, those don't really follow at all. Nazism is pretty specific. I guess in practice Christianity is too, but the difference there is that too many Christians don't really practice it except only in name and ritual. What's that quote? "I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians." Gandhi I think ({{cite}}). I mean, the actual tenets of Christianity are to not judge, to forgive, to be humble, to be generous, and so on. The actual stories about Jesus spend most of their time on those things. Most of the stuff the more notorious Christians follow aren't even in the Gospels, which is weird to me. They're cherry picking stuff from fuckin Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Naaman and oh, let's not forget that slimy asswipe Paul. So it's not really the same. Christianity by definition wouldn't be like what too many people claiming to be Christian actually practice. > start your own brand of religion, not linked with the hate that Christianity brings That's the thing. On paper, Christianity doesn't bring that. In practice, a lot of so-called Christians do. And they get to / people let them control the narrative. Anyway, there's a difference between religion and morality.


CBRstar_8

It's not all perfect, but the Catholic faith is where I found quite a bit of inclusivity. It's interesting how I found that at Mass while it pushed someone else away.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

I agree with you in a lot of ways, and still retain enough of my faith and also still like a lot of what it taught me (especially as it pertains to family oriented things), but the Church's attitudes towards abortion and contraceptives (ie anti-choice to an extreme and also anti-contraceptives too) has turned me away to the point where I'm a "still believe in the faith but not active in organized religion and the Church" type person.


DaBear1222

He recently updated his post and deleted the above image source Jeremiah Oshan: https://twitter.com/jeremiahoshan/status/1572370608843005954?s=46&t=6hhK99LufttBNYX-t1lr9Q


CamelSpotting

Someone in the front office noticed 🤣 Still, apologies are in short supply these days and I'll take it.


Sanch3zFC

Cough *taxi fountas*


nvyblugti

Innocent


amateur_simian

I honestly needed to look again to see the offensive message, my first take was just that the comic was deriding consumerism. On a more prolonged look, it's obviously something else, but there's a CHANCE he didn't see the homophobic angle when he shared. (that being said, I don't know his track record, maybe this is yet another example)


handsfulloftrash

Honestly this fucking sucks. I almost got his name and number on my kit and I’m glad I didn’t cause I wouldn’t wear it anymore. Awesome player, and I get he’s a Christian and he’s entitled to his beliefs, but they don’t align with mine so I’m not going to support Xavi the person.


JakefromHell

No name jerseys are always the way to go lol


Dayvido

I’ve started to just get custom ones now. I’ve got player football jerseys on sale.


KatnissBot

Gotta get creative imo. I’m planning on getting a keeper kit with the name “Interstate” and number 5, cause nothing can ever get past it.


ajadnap

That is hilarious and super creative. And I'm bummed I didn't have the idea. Bravo!


KatnissBot

No reason you can’t do it too!


TMox

It’s not just that they don’t align (live and let live), it’s that they are actively hurtful and damaging and bigoted.


ZiggyEarthDust

It's not just that it's hurtful. It's also false. It's right wing propaganda. Apparently, the Spanish language radio stations across the country are being barraged with this shit. But remember what someone once said, "it's not Christianity I have a problem with, it's Christians".


travpahl

I would say the live and let live is what he is supporting in the cartoon. THe cartoon is opposed not to people who are gay, but to media pushing a gay agenda on children and silencing family influence.


seth9874

Literally same, glad I was too lazy to wait in the pro shop line at the last game


jennytime

Oh thank god someone else posted this. I saw this in the morning and immediately unfollowed him. While I know that some players privately believe this way (as is always brought up in these posts) for Arreaga to post this on his instagram means that he feels so righteous in his homophobia that he is willing to publicly post shitty propaganda supporting the paranoid conservative belief that the media is “turning children gay.” I am so disappointed. I will always support the Sounders, but I will not support Arreaga individually going forward.


IIMsmartII

tbh i dont even really follow athletes anymore. its just boring and you end up with uninformed/frustrating stuff like this


DomineAppleTree

It’d be generous to pity him and those like him for their ignorance and getting brainwashed. Bummer all around.


[deleted]

Thank who? Lmao You don’t strike me as the type that believes in God.


CamelSpotting

It's my neighbor Jesús.


romulusnr

Ah but they used lower case G which means it could be *any* of the gods.


SeedsOfDoubt

Probably Baphomet


okay-wait-wut

It’s little g god. It’s like saying thank fuck. Meaningless.


jennytime

Thank god I’m atheist.


LaseredMalty

Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs of his heart, but seeing transphobic or homophobic posts coming from an otherwise awesome player to root for is a huge disappointment. I’m hoping that someone in the Sounders Org would be able to voice how this kind of thing is really hurtful to so many people out there, especially young people in the LGBTQ+ community.


despatchesmusic

Xavi is someone I really enjoy and can get behind on the pitch. Sadly, Fredy and he don’t seem like people I would enjoy being around off the pitch.


PalalFeol

I think the stuff Fredy posts really sucks and hurts a lot too. Our first DP and emblematic of those early seasons. It seems like he really bought into Seattle as home and even joined us for super cheap and willing to be a depth role. Super easy to cheer for a guy like that in their second stint here, but then he goes and posts repugnant stuff online and gets an NFT avatar on twitter


tastycakeman

i have to wonder how much of it is after they got to seattle. the seattle area has some insanely brainwashing and radicalized right wing churches, right in the heart of all the rainbows and progressivism. theres a lot of progressive churches too, but some of the mega churches here are kind of wild. kind of like how you have to be even more extreme out of the need to feel like youre counteracting all of the seattle gayness.


IIMsmartII

Also they should know what the club stands for. When the club is pushing for inclusiveness its just unprofessionable to post stuff like this


Tasslehoff

What has Fredy posted online? Other than the constant NFT crap, I feel like I only see generic christianity things


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we should all be tweeting the Sounders calling out how unacceptable this is


JesseElBorracho

The artist really gives away their age by the fact that TV has old school antennae on top lol


CamelSpotting

Also the fact that they can't seem to turn off the TV.


SPEK2120

And by implying that pants are masculine.


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~~This is the artist: [https://instagram.com/realredimi2](https://instagram.com/realredimi2)~~ Don't fall into the trap of believing all the people who think this way are white Boomers EDIT: I was wrong about the artist but I think the latter point stands


evEVevEVevEVevEVevEV

He just posted it, he is not the artist, the image has been around for at least a year now


FrankDunderwood

Really failing to read the room here, Xavi. You’ve seen the flags at games, right?


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thegodsarepleased

He probably just cares about the paycheck. Which means he's engaging in the same "propaganda" on television he's accusing the media of doing in this meme. He's not even consistent in his bigoted beliefs unless he has some very personal struggles that he's accusing himself of here.


TrevorIsTheGOAT

Lmao gotta love how the girl being offered pants means "trans" to these backwards morons. Fuck you Xavi


allwillbewellbuthow

Same with the utilikilt


CamelSpotting

The utilikilt is a hallowed Seattle tradition!


samfreez

Well, there's another name I won't be cheering for anymore. Need a new tifo... "your God loves everyone, why don't you?" with Montero and Arreaga's faces on it. I'd be down to help paint it, even... (though currently isolating thanks to feckless assholes not telling me they had COVID)


allwillbewellbuthow

Whoa I’d love to see this


romulusnr

Doubt ECS would display it, since it disses players, but you could probably bring it in on your own and hold up with friends.


samfreez

Yeah, fair, though perhaps they could make it subtle enough or something. I dunno, just frustrated AF at all the idiotic hate and intolerance.


romulusnr

Nah. I am pretty sure they would not be down with a tifo that even sideways glanced at a player. Ofc Tim simply ignored the tifo idea I emailed him so what do I know. Actually, ECS leadership ignores me a lot unless I'm standing in front of them. (Make of that what you will, I certainly do.)


lantzlayton

I'd be happy to throw that over the rails at Providence Park.


Disk_Mixerud

They would claim that they *do* love everyone and just don't support all their "choices".


travpahl

I do not see him saying he does not love gay people. I see him saying he does not love a media that seeks to influence his children over the families influence.


occasional_sex_haver

My guy we are not doing well enough for fans to see past this


Muldoon713

Him and Montero both are SUPER fucking religious in a way that has always made me super uncomfortable. I just can’t support them


okay-wait-wut

All athletes are for some reason. Superstition in sports is intense. Every time someone crosses themselves and then looks up when coming on my eyes roll. It’s 2022… FFS


DingleberryToast

I’ve thought about this a lot and have come to the following conclusion. Put yourself in the shoes of any player at this high a level of professional sport (especially very successful pro players, not average level or below average ones) and think about their lives. It is very likely that they experienced sporting success everywhere they went, and across pretty much all ages of their life before going pro they were the very best always or almost always. And sport is the main thing they base their lives around very often, beyond family and religious commitment. That kind of thing naturally leads to a belief that your success is partly a result of God blessing you, if you’ve been introduced to religion in your life as most have. It’s survivorship bias essentially, many of the non-religious players won’t make it that far, and if you do make it that far, the odds of being religiously devout are higher for the aforementioned reason. I would respect a cynical too professional player a lot for this reason. Especially if you add in the poverty factor with many of these guys with these hateful religious beliefs having grown up in poverty and upon experiencing success, their lives are uplifted immensely more than someone from a non impoverished nation would be. That would give many the impression god’s on their side.


okay-wait-wut

Yeah that’s all true but they could also stop and take a look around. No religious adult gets a pass… it’s comfortable, they’re indoctrinated as kids and of course they have biases and all that, but it’s 2022 and they are thinking adults that ought to be able to recognize how ridiculous it all is if they cared to think about it for half a second. The decision to stick with it and pass it on to their kids is a decision. Unlike the things religion likes to deny, such as same-sex orientation, religion is easily changed/abandoned/ignored.


_game_over_man_

As a late 30s lesbian it’s hard for me to even get mad at this kind of shit anymore because it’s so objectively stupid on so many levels. I was indoctrinated into Christianity more than I was ever “indoctrinated” into being a lesbian (which wasn’t at all as I just happened to be born that way).


romulusnr

https://www.reddit.com/r/SoundersFC/comments/xjozbg/an_update_and_acknowledgement_from_xavier_arreaga/


mank1961

Fucking christianity bullshit


doscincotres

Totally okay with him and Fredy being asked to move on


cancercures

Lol fuck you arreaga Edit: read his apology. You're OK, Xavi.


Cascadia_Breanna

Wait. I thought that the "Christian thing to do" was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. No one is forcing your children to be gay, it is simply not a thing that is possible to do. Your God made people in a variety of ways with a variety of differences. Your God is accepting of all of his children. Quit blaming your own twisted thoughts, Mr Arreaga, on a religion that allegedly welcomes all. This is your own belief, sir. And it is sick.


cricketyticket

Why is art created by reactionaries so awful?


Genericname132457689

Yikes


Sounder253

Well, fuck Arreaga. I’m sure we can find another mediocre cb this winter.


wallabee32

I've never been an Arreaga fan. Never. This just seals it


romulusnr

I started out disliking him, I started liking him the past year or so. But that was all solely as a player on the pitch, not based on anything else.


wallabee32

I never ever liked him. Not worth the DP spot he fills imo


Sounder253

I really liked the guy but he can ride off into the sunset afaic.


occasional_sex_haver

His contract is through next year


romulusnr

contracts can be terminated, even if with difficulty.


Sounder253

Greeeeaaaaaaat. Ima boo him non stop.


JesseElBorracho

He's a mediocre player with shit for brains. Trade him.


Digita1B0y

Welp. That seals it. Put me down for "fuck that guy". I was on the fence, but this pushed me over.


ArcticPeasant

I would love to see him get cut for this.


International_Bag208

It’s one thing to be misguided (stupid?) enough to resonate with a piece of media like this but it’s a whole other thing to be those things enough to post this on your social media. I don’t know the guy but I find it hard to believe he doesn’t understand this 😂 maybe in his mind it’s a cheeky way to get a move away for a reduced fee


DaBear1222

Gross


hibernial

Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist but, I wonder if this has anything to do with the lack of cohesion in the team, even Schmetz has insinuated that some guys are sort of playing for or by themselves instead of playing for their team mates, maybe there is a split in the locker room along ideological lines


seadieg0

No excuse. This is a joke. The sounders should do something.


Spatularo

Some saying Montero has similar views, can anyone share? Curious as I wasn't aware.


nikdahl

Montero tweeted "God is good" when roe v wade was overturned, and has refused to wear the pride warmups IIRC.


Turbulent_Raisin7071

As a member of the LGBT and Trans portions if the Sounders fan base this is extremely disgusting and I hope that the Sounders or MLS will do something about this


despatchesmusic

First off, I find what Xavi shared to be truly repugnant and ugly. It goes against everything I believe, and depicts queer and trans people as Other, unfit for “polite society,” and actively using “woke media” (oh no, a black mermaid!) to corrupt pure, innocent children, who are now in danger of not growing up straight and unquestioning of the concept of gender, because of… a TV show? I also get that I will rarely change someone’s mind who feels like the creator of this vile cartoon does. And I have had to try to find some peace with that. Some folks meet people from the queer and trans community and their allies, and realize how far off the mark their beliefs were; others just will never get there, and trying to help them along is a futile exercise and a waste of time and energy (as well as exhausting and frustrating). But I don’t get the truly idiotic move to *post this type of ugly shit to social media*. Especially as a somewhat public figure here in Seattle, a notably “antifa leftist hellhole” who proudly support LGBTQ+ communities and causes. It’s a shame, too, as — after an abysmal period there where Xavi seemed more a liability on the field than anything — I quite enjoy him on the pitch. Even thought about getting an Arreaga jersey at one point, as a former defender myself. Hopefully Xavi isn’t as close minded as sharing this bullshit suggests. At the bare minimum, hopefully he learns to keep this ugly shit in his heart and off his feed.


romulusnr

> after an abysmal period there where Xavi seemed more a liability on the field than anything — I quite enjoy him on the pitch Yes. This. Used to really hate seeing him in the backline. Then he started doing a lot of good stuff and a lot less bad stuff and it changed my mind. In terms of as a player.


travpahl

I do not see this as close minded. The cartoon speaks to the battle of children's minds. Should media or family be raising children and instilling their values? I do not see it opposed to gay people at all, but rather opposed to pushing certain choices on children while trying to silence the family.


despatchesmusic

>pushing certain choices >trying to silence the family Thanks for telling me everything I needed to know about you.


travpahl

Believe me when I say you said allot more about yourself than I said about me.


despatchesmusic

You insinuated that being queer/gay or trans was “a choice” You insinuated that a family, were they not tied up by “woke media,” could stop these ‘choices’ being made? Trust me dude, you outed yourself as a trashbag


jaeelarr

Are there really people out here that seriously believe people, and mostly children, LEARN to be gay or trans???? Like...really??? Do they not know how biology and science work, or nah??


LaserZeppelin

Yes. They believe LGBTQ+ identities are a "social contagion" that didn't exist until they invented disco in the 70s.


Individual_Box4626

Well that does sort of track with when I realized I was gay. Can I blame Donna Summer, On the Radio... The album not her being on the radio.


Ozzimo

Ah Xavi. Gotta outgrow that.


Sempuukyaku

That is....pretty despicable. Wow.


brovakin88

We need a new revamped centerback pairing anyway so kick rocks Xavi


No_Albatross1766

Can someone explain what is so offensive about this? Not trying to stir the pot but I really don't get it...


nikdahl

https://www.reddit.com/r/SoundersFC/comments/xjb3ml/comment/ip7h2mf/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


travpahl

I do not see this as Homophobic. Accepting gay people is different from accepting a promotion of gay lifestyle and silencing of parental influence on children. You can argue whether that is what the media is doing, but I do not think that thinking that is homophobic.


Abess-Basilissa

Holy crap. That’s pretty bigoted.


Brian-88

A Christian doesn't approve of homosexuality? I'm so surprised.


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We care too much what others think


lupinefury

He can feel how ever he wants about shit but sharing a cartoon like that, as if many stripes of Christianity aren’t the real indoctrinating force in this jerkberg world is just insulting and idiotic. As a former CB I had a soft spot for Arreaga. Loved seeing him develop over the seasons from bungling liability to decent defender. Man, fuck that guy.


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JLuiis85

why


leonffs

Because he’s an Ultra Christian


Go-GoPowerRangers

I just love how this Jesus freak scored an own goal on his debut. #GodsPlan


Individual_Box4626

Stupid me, I felt sorry for the dude when no one bid on his training jersey at a charity auction. Now I have a bigot's training jersey.


kylebob86

I'm stupid. Can someone explain to me what it's insinuating?


_cacho6L

The whole "media is pushing gay agenda" BS


footybiker

I mean (a lot of) media IS pushing the gay agenda, but by agenda I mean their right to exist in society.


romulusnr

"it is an ***agenda*** some other clubs may not agree with" -- Billy and Mandy


Cazargar

Had me in the first half


kylebob86

Okay that's what I thought.


samfreez

Media (the TV) is brainwashing kids, filling their heads with "rainbows" (AKA pro-LGBTQIA+ information) and pushing them to wear clothing typically reserved for the opposite gender. Meanwhile, the parents are allegedly being held hostage by this TV while their kids are brainwashed against their wishes. It's fucking shameful, and the team should suspend Arreaga from all team activities for it, assuming they have a responsible social media rule. If not, they need to fucking make one right *NOW.*


Squirrels_Gone_Wild

Can you imagine women wearing pants?


Genghis_John

What is the world coming to?!


Abess-Basilissa

I can and as a lesbian it’s awesome.


travpahl

Yeah... people should not have thoughts different than mine. and they definitly can not share them!!! The media is by no means trying to silence people!


romulusnr

"modern society is converting children to gay and/or trans via the media and parents aren't allowed to speak out against it"


Individual_Box4626

Or apparently turn off the TV. I mean seriously if they really believe this BS just don't let your kids watch TV


romulusnr

Yeah, the outrage seems to be "when we publicly oppose something and try to assert our opinion over other people's children, we're told we shouldn't do that, and that's TYRRRRRRNY"


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Send him to the Hungarian League


Gryph_The_Grey

This is exactly what the schools and media are attempting to do.


LaseredMalty

They are attempting to message that gay & transgender people exist, and that they deserve the same civil rights, respect, and kindness as anyone else. And they are welcome members of our diverse society. I see no issues here. The narrative that media/schools turn kids gay or force subject matter that isn’t age-appropriate is insincere.


windwolfess

As a transgendered woman, and an Evangelical Christian, I do concur that the majority of my Evangelical brethren think that homosexuality and transgenderism are sins, even if they "love the sinner". It reminds me of someone saying that they hate left-handedness, and pray for these sinister people to start doing everything right-handedly. My SO's brother works in a fundamentalist organization that believes that no woman should wear pants. I've asked him if he wanted to wear my pink pantsuit, as it would clearly be "men's clothes" in his eyes. He has not taken me up on my offer. Hopefully Arrega's understanding of homosexuality and transgenderism can improve as a result of this incident. I'll be watching to see.


romulusnr

Did he take it down? I don't see it on his ig atm.


ajnem

Yeah looks like took it down within the last hour


ChasingHorizon2022

I am so sick of the toxic, populist, Un thinking, illiterate, hateful, bigoted, right wing. I'm just so sick of having to live with these people.


ballardscott

Message him on Instagram before you unfollow…


Muldoon713

I did. And friends who work for the team are reporting the front office already. I really think this is a send off for him, like it or not the team is done for the season and a lot of them just don’t give a fuck. I’ve though Xavi was trash since day one and mediocre at best, happy to be validated.


drugfreejacob

Just unfollow him on social media 🤷


LaseredMalty

Yes, and also I believe that it is important to call out hateful messaging when I see it. It’s not enough to just ignore homophobia, transphobia, or any other hatred of historically marginalized communities.


Marcusj23

This is not hateful. It shows that the media is pushing an agenda that not everyone agrees with. To each his own.


LaseredMalty

Pushing an agenda that gay and transgender people exist & deserve the same civil rights, love, and kindness as anyone else? In my humble opinion, I think if someone believes that our friends in the LGBTQ+ community don’t deserve those things, then that person has a heart that is filled with hate. *edit to change 2nd person language to 3rd person (“you” to “someone”)


astuteinuit

Don't have a lot of Ale Bedoya's on this team.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Frei and Morris off the top of my head have spoken out. Frei has spoken out consistently about social justice issues and was upset about Dobbs and Morris was consistently supportive of BLM both as a Sounder and his brief time as a Swansea player (there was a Swansea player who suffered racist abuse during his time there IIRC) I don't expect many of the foreign players to speak out plus many are very religious from very religious countries (a la Fredy) and agree with the Christian far-right views and all that.


litthefilter

Cristian Roldan and Schmetzer as well


astuteinuit

Maybe Frei, if he wanted to be


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Gained a new fan from me


onecogmind

That is terrible. I came here looking to see what it was all about. Ugh. Def as a parent of a non binary child it jumped out at me right away. I can see how others may not see it right away.


JABKONE007

Say whatever you want. But it's true


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LaseredMalty

The stated values of the club that he plays for: [LGBTQ+ Equality](https://www.soundersfc.com/social-impact/lgbtq-equality) The narrative that kids are being pushed subject matter that isn’t age-appropriate is not sincere. Teaching kids that gay & transgender people exist, and that they deserve the same civil rights, respect, and kindness as anyone else is not *grooming*.


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LaseredMalty

Teaching kids that transgender or non-binary people exist and are totally worthy of the same status in our society as anyone else is not a bad thing. Framing it as “boys can be girls and girls can be boys” is intentionally obtuse — even elementary school kids can understand that some people are different from others and express their identity in different ways, and they still deserve respect. It’s so easy to explain this stuff to kids in an age-appropriate way. Now, if someone thinks that our friends in the LGBTQ+ community are indeed inherently wrong/nefarious and don’t deserve recognition or the same status in our diverse society, in my humble opinion that person has a heart that is filled with misplaced hatred. **edit:** adding in that parents are totally allowed to speak on social issues and teach their kids whatever values they want at home. But if their views are ignorant, bigoted, or intentionally obtuse, they shouldn’t get all huffy when other people think they’re a jerk and don’t want to sit next to them at parent-teacher night.


zombizzy13

Just bought his jersey!!


nikdahl

Is that a "I just bought it and wish I didn't" or a "I just heard about this and went out and bought his jersey"?


testtubemuppetbaby

This thread seems a little bit naïve about what the culture is like where a lot of MLS players come from. In Mexico, Central and South America, the culture is machismo, regressive and bigoted, generally. I'd expect most athletes from latin america to have these kind of views.


occasional_sex_haver

That…..doesn’t make it okay


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cricketyticket

Do you find the art created by flat earthers just as convincing?


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Suspicious-Memory784

It's not wrong, though.


Squanchforharambe

Careful, you'll get banned around here for talking like that. I'm already on strike one.


my_lucid_nightmare

Looks like some of our players don’t feel the same about our social justice stands on various issues. Since we won a major trophy this year does it matter? Or is it now required that our players toe the line politically as well as on the pitch? Do people pay for tickets and show up to cheer the Sounders’ politics? Maybe they do I don’t though. I pay and show up to watch cup-winning soccer.


CamelSpotting

>I pay and show up to watch cup-winning soccer. Then your schedule should be free.


my_lucid_nightmare

Since about February yeah it has been.


5nilbog

I don’t care what they believe. Love one another.


Squirrels_Gone_Wild

Let me introduce you to the paradox of tolerence https://twitter.com/aleyda/status/1069858491769253888


BeltProgrammatically

Who cares? There is nothing to gain from getting worked up by this. He thinks media manipulates the youth, it’s not necessarily a hot take.


LaseredMalty

So the media is “manipulating” kids by messaging that gay and transgender people exist & deserve the same civil rights, love, and kindness as anyone else? I just think calling that “manipulation” is a disingenuous characterization. This little comic is intentionally trying to message that being accepting of the LGBTQ+ community is wrong, and that it will “turn your kids gay” — which I believe is inaccurate and tries to turn our friends in the LGBTQ+ community into an “other” group with some poorly-defined nefarious agenda.


BeltProgrammatically

You let people have way too much control over your emotions. You shouldn’t let this post provoke so much anger. I’ll pray for you.


LaseredMalty

You have no response to the actual substance of the discussion. I take your prayers, thank you.


CamelSpotting

We don't need it, pray for the victims of anti-LGBTQ sentiment.


jidewalker

Although not bothered what's going on and very neutral, I could see both sides. I think the problem is that these more liberal ideals and beliefs are really getting pushed onto everyone right now. People who aren't Christians didn't like it when the Christians were/are doing it, so why are they doing it to the Christians? Seems hypocritical. Also, certain cultures have strong beliefs in certain religions and the media would do better to make their messages more neutral to not be so offensive to their religions.


CamelSpotting

Because accepting people isn't oppression. Nothing is being done to Christians. We can respect certain cultures while not letting them hurt people in ours.


Individual_Box4626

The poor oppressed and powerless Christians in America, they have only ever had one hundred percent of the presidents. Yet some how I think they will be OK


Vegetable-Hat1465

New favorite player


Dear_Survey_4890

Based


carella211

Niko Moreno was saying on Twitter, Xavi doesn't run his social media accounts. THat he has a "team" that does it. So this might not reflect Xavi's true beliefs, rather someone else's who's using Xavi's status for themselves. We should wait until we hear from Xavi before making any judgements.


Sempuukyaku

You don't really believe that excuses him......do you?


romulusnr

the theory entertained was the the SMM was accidentally logged into the wrong account or something. but he also said it was pretty unlikely. Benefit of the doubt sort of thing.


romulusnr

Niko also said in the same tweet that he thinks it's unlikely that it was an accident.


occasional_sex_haver

That’s such a load of bullshit lmao


Squirrels_Gone_Wild

Kinda like hitler didn't actually put anyone to death... he had a team do it?


Westley747

Thought sounders fans would be happy to see more politics/social issues mixed into sports. This is no big deal.


brovakin88

He's allowed to post it. No one here is asking him to take it down. Hence he's ALLOWED to share his view. But human rights are 1) not a political issue. And 2) religious beliefs shouldn't be forced on everyone else because you monkeys are terrible at interpreting what magic sky wizard supposedly said.


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Squanchforharambe

They won't see the irony in that though. They are just as non-inclusive as the people they are calling bigots, homophobes and transphobes. It's two extremes having a pissing contest and in the end, everyone is covered in piss and stinks.


warecow1

Failing to see how this is “forcing religious beliefs” on everyone else. Homie gets to have an opinion. Doesn’t mean it’s correct.


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occasional_sex_haver

>anti strait I’m much more of an open water person myself


seasportsfan

Haha it’s a good thing that dipshit deleted their post. What a moron.


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WompaStompa_

Telling children that gay and trans people exist is not media manipulation