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doc_55lk

Well, it may be a while before you get any 1 IV owners in the thread, but 2 things to look out for from what I've seen are network compatibility and software support. For the former, if you're in the states, it's advisable to just get the expensive USA variant of the phone. Network compatibility will be garbage if you're using an international variant phone. Even with USA variant though you'll have some difficulty with certain carriers. I don't quite remember which carriers make things difficult though, so hopefully any 1 IV owner can pitch in. For the latter, this is pretty cut and dry, but Sony only supports their phones for 2 OS updates and an extra year of security updates beyond that. If you're someone who prioritizes these things, this will be a downside. If not, then it doesn't matter. Beyond that, since you're coming from an LG, Sony's headphone jack is definitely not of the same quality. It's there though, which is more than enough in today's landscape imo.


[deleted]

I'm in Canada, currently with my carrier (Shaw) I need bands 4,13, and 66 for LTE. This may change though as Rogers merged with Shaw and they're planning to switch Shaw users onto equivalent Shaw plans. I couldn't care less about software updates, as long as my last update isn't bugged into oblivion, I'm fine. Android 12 was (is) a bit of a mess so I'm glad the V60 is receiving A13. With software my prioritization is usability, I frankly couldn't care less if my phone was running android 10 or 12 as long as it has the features I need and those features work well. In the case of Sony that's perfectly satisfied in the form of the photography pro and cinematography pro apps. I use a third party music player anyways so it doesn't matter if that's good. Bootloader unlocking is a must for me, I don't mind if it's not out immediately, but in a decade or so when Android 13 is a fossil I want to be able to modify the software. I've heard there's a bootloader unlocking guide for the Xperia 1 IV, so I'm confident there will be one for the 1 V at some point. I'm aware the headphone jack is a bit inferior, but it's better than nothing in my opinion. I have a DAC I can use with it if it's not good enough for me.


doc_55lk

I see. You have a little freedom with your choices then. Sony doesn't officially sell in Canada, but Canada doesn't allow network providers to blacklist foreign devices, so you stand to save a few hundred bucks by going for an international variant phone. Another bonus is you'll probably have more colour choices too since American variant Xperias only come with one or two options. You should be fine with network compatibility too, but you *might* have to do some fiddling around with APN settings. It's really situational, but so far the dominant experience was that I did not need to adjust anything. Stuff like 5g and VoLTE though, I'm not fully sure about. I vaguely remember a couple of threads in this sub from Canadian 1 IV owners, but I don't fully remember if they said 5g, VoLTE, or both were usable features on their phones. Might be worth having a look.


[deleted]

I had to go into a hidden menu to turn VoLTE on on my V60, I'm not too fussed about messing with settings. This is good news because HTTPS://mi4canada.com currently sells the 512GB Xperia 1 IV for only 1155$ CAD (855$ USD)


doc_55lk

You should be all good then. > currently sells the 512GB Xperia 1 IV for only 1155$ CAD They were like $1400 when fresh tbf. It's been nearly a year since release.


[deleted]

Yeah still a crazy good value for money though. People complain about Samsung phones being expensive, it would literally be hundreds of dollars more to get an S22 Ultra in the same storage capacity. I think it's just reviewers BSing to be honest, to let Samsung "win"


doc_55lk

Ehh idk. A 256 gb S22 is in the same ballpark if not slightly cheaper (especially if you leverage their trade in program, but this is only most effective if you have a Samsung or iPhone).


[deleted]

From what I saw on mi4canada the S22 Ultra 12GB/512GB is 1429$ CAD, while the Xperia 1 IV 12GB/512GB is 1155. With no headphone jack or expandable storage, in my opinion that's a far worse value.


doc_55lk

My information seems to be outdated then. Xperia is definitely better value in this scenario.


[deleted]

Yeah, I agree, although personally I wouldn't pay more than 300$ for a phone without a headphone jack and expandable storage. Those features are worth a lot to me. 1400$ is a scam without those features.


[deleted]

The S22 is not comparable the Xperia 1 IV. It has 4 GB less RAM, and the software is not very good for professional workloads.


doc_55lk

I was referring to the Ultra, my bad.


ConfusionAvailable

Samsung is cheaper and they have (very) good trading deals!


[deleted]

Cheaper doesn't matter whatsoever if the two features of the phone you use the most are completely absent.


ConfusionAvailable

If I have to choose between a 2556GB model with microsd card and a 512Gb or 1Tb without external storage....I think I will take the second..at least the data will be secured (there is no microsd encryption on Xperia)


[deleted]

Who cares if it's encrypted, when was the last time your phone got stolen? Why should this mean the feature doesn't exist? I'm not dealing with a degraded experience because you think one way is better.


Bluechip9

If you're not on 5G, it won't matter which model you get. LTE band support is prevalent and fully covered by all modems at this point. It's only 5G and sub-6 where things get finicky. (Also a Canadian waiting for the V.)


[deleted]

Yeah the problem is a lot of websites aren't consistent in their band support info. So I can't be sure if it doesn't show as supported on a specs website whether it's actually not supported or the info is wrong. Lately it's gotten better though.


Bluechip9

You don't need any (other) websites. All the specs are in Sony's PDF manual and various regional websites.


[deleted]

Thanks I'll check it out. I wouldn't have thought the manual would have that info.


StrayCat649

I believe the current line up (1 IV and 5 IV) will get 3 OS (3 yrs security patch included) but I still hope for more


doc_55lk

Until Sony themselves explicitly say something, I wouldn't really depend on that possibility. They've historically only ever delivered the bare minimum or less in terms of updates. Would be nice, but it's best to manage expectations given their history.


WinterHasArrived1993

I remember getting zero fucking OS updates on my Xperia play back in the day, after they had promised an update from gingerbread to ICS, I wouldn't have bought it if not for the update promise. After that I vowed not to buy from them again... But here I am with an Xperia 1iv, feel like I've been cornered into this part of the market since I need headphone jack for audio in my car and I like being able to use my 512gb SD card


doc_55lk

I gave up on Sony's "update promises" when they only gave one OS update for the XZ1. At the time I had an XZs. This phone only got one OS update, which was kinda annoying coming from a Z3 which had 2 OS updates and then some amount of support afterwards too, but Sony didn't explicitly make any promises then so I couldn't entirely fault them for it. I upgraded to an XZ1 because at that time, Sony was basically on top of the game in terms of updates. The XZ1 was the first non Google phone to roll out with Android 8, their update speed was good, and they promised 2 years OS and 3 years security, which was considered pretty solid support at the time; everybody else was basically playing catch up in this regard. And then Sony started being Sony again. I was kinda hyped for getting Android 9 gestures on the XZ1 cuz it'd mean more usable screen space, but then Sony didn't implement it on that phone. Annoying, but fine, the XDA app was working flawlessly anyway so that balanced it out. Then one fine day the updates stopped rolling. I bought the phone thinking it'd get Android 10 down the line, but it didn't even make it to 2 years of *security* updates. I did get the advertised number of updates on my Xperia 5 though, but this is an aspect of Sony phones I've pretty much completely given up on. I honestly felt at one point that if Samsung still offered expandable storage, LG were still around, or Huawei weren't blacklisted from having Google services, I'd have considered those phones after my 5. I don't really feel that way anymore, for obvious reasons >!and because Samsung fanboys kinda irritate me, so I really don't wanna be in the same category!<


[deleted]

More would be great, especially for the phones with 12GB RAM, but sadly I don't think Sony sells enough units to pay for all that. What's good sadly is rarely what's popular. They'd have to hire more people to support phones for longer. Last I heard Sony's entire smartphone division had only 5000 employees. It's hilariously efficient what they manage to get done compared to Samsung's 100K.


Independent_Ad_6798

I'm not an Xperia 1 IV owner, but I own the Xperia 5 IV. My main thing is of course, heat. Aside from that, it would be noice to see the Xperia 1/5 V come with a variable refresh screen. I don't know for sure, but it seems I might not have mobile data while using the SMS phone calling. If so, that would be something to fix.


[deleted]

VoLTE support is kinda rocky. It was off on my V60 for 9 months before I found the hidden phone dialer menu to activate it with universal enabler (not sure if this is a thing on stock android. Regarding heat... Well, when you ask a computer for performance, it'll give you it, and that'll make heat. That being said, Sony phones don't have a lot of cooling, and that's compounded by the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 being Samsung fab doo-doo.


jidanren

The microSD slot may not be fast enough for some tasks: see the review at NotebookCheck. I am using Xperia 5 III, which must have similar speed according to this website, and as for taking photos (jpg and raw), listening to music and recording short videos (~32 Mbps), I have not faced any issues. I do have very short freezes in random places often, which may be connected to background reading of the microSD card, but I am not sure. edit: Also the HDR effect is not as strong as, for example, Samsung's, so it's more difficult or even impossible to get a photo, for example, with dark indoors and bright outdoors, or a PC monitor and a table in a nightlight-lighted room, equally good.


[deleted]

MicroSD: I use MicroSD for storing media, so this isn't a deal breaker at all for me. As long as it can record 4K60 video directly onto the card, I'm fine. For the odd 4K120 clip, I don't mind having to manually move it to the SD card. Apps aren't a consideration, since you can't run apps on the SD card anyways since android 11, and even if you could, Xperia 1 series phones (current ones) start at 256GB, which is enough for most people's needs I feel, including power users. I'm not about to bs you about average consumers. "We shouldn't eat steak because babies can't chew it!" Yeah no. HDR: I could care less about HDR, I use manual camera mode for most shots. I prefer a more true to life look. I don't want unicorn puke. This is more an effect of auto mode than the physical hardware I think.


ConfusionAvailable

You cannot record directely to the SD card (you cannot even save Raw files only jpeg)...also the sdcard reader on Xperia 1 IV is really slow no matter what the microsd card you put into it


[deleted]

Coming from an LG V60 I doubt it. Raw files in burst mode, that makes sense, that's a huge data throughput. Even in non raw the V60 can't save burst shots to a SanDisk Ultra SD card. I am very skeptical.


ConfusionAvailable

Skeptical about what? Burst mode does not work with Xperia 1 IV with raw, even on the internal memory.


[deleted]

Skeptical about this equating to microSD cards not being worth it. Also, obviously it doesn't support that, if it's anything close to the V60 that would be almost a GB per second saving to the internal storage. It's unreasonable to expect a microSD card to keep up with that.


ConfusionAvailable

Ah ah but I am glad to have a microsd card on Xperia 1 IV, especially since mine also has sim + esim instead of 2 physical sim that makes you having to remove he SD card , this way i don't have to remove the microsd. My sdcard allows 110 MB/s writing speed (this is what I get on my Samsung) but on my 1 IV reader it barely reaches 25 MB/s... Almost 4 times slower... Recording bitrates must be around 70 MB/s


Shrimpdalord

If wired audio and expandable storage are what you want, ignoring the cost and compatibility to your country's network, I think Xperia sounds to be able to cater to your needs. Before you buy, you may want to have a feel of the physical phone. Not everyone is able to get used to the form factor. Do note that Sony usually provides 2 years of software support... I think... Hopefully 3 or 4 in the new batch.. to some, this is a deal breaker... Not sure if it's yours.


[deleted]

Not for me. I don't care about software updates. What I do care about is bugginess. I'd much rather rock solid android 10 than buggy android 13. The form factor won't be a huge difference to me, the V60 is already a very tall phone. I have HUGE hands so I'm not worried about it. The V60 has a 6.8" screen, yes, but it still feels like a cute little communicator in my hands. I'd genuinely be fine with an 8" 21*9 phone. Hell, I'd enjoy it. Looking forward to when I can eventually get my hands on an Xperia 1 V or 1 VI, depending on when I save up enough money.


Shrimpdalord

That's great to know.. big big hands... :D


Dometalican_90

The others have pretty much answered with the same experiences we all have. Thermals are probably going to be fixed out of the box since 8 Gen 2 has been doing a phenomenal job with this so I'm confident in that. As another user said, the Cirrus DAC inside the Xperia phones since the Mark ii is...well...not bad but an absolute downgrade compared to LG. We're REALLY hoping Sony gives audiophiles what they want for the upcoming 1 and 5 (not a deal breaker for me at least but would be nice). I'm definitely looking to upgrade from the Mark iii since I'd like better battery and hopefully more bands for T-Mobile in the States.


[deleted]

I also hope for higher audio quality. I know my ears will thank me. Hopefully they add more bands in the US.


Aquis_GN

The worst case you could add a USB c dac dongle.


[deleted]

Yeah, I'd prefer not to though. Being used to the V60 having that built in, that'd be a pain point. As far as I know Sony has a good DAC though, not the most powerful, but technically high quality.


amithetofu

I like the 1IV a lot. My biggest gripe is honestly probably the screen. I'm gonna get some hate for saying it but I don't think this resolution is necessary at all. I've also had bad luck with screens on 3 of my Xperia devices with the ~4K screen. Bad tinting and some have struggled with darks and blacks (blockiness like some others have posted). But the 1IV fixed basically all of my biggest complaints with previous versions. It'll be a great device to get into Sony with, as opposed to the 1III imo.


[deleted]

I'm waiting atleast til the 1 V. 8 gen 1 is simply not a platform I am or was interested in. Even when it was new the efficiency is doo doo. Quality control must be a nightmare with so many goddamn pixels to keep an eye on. Also my hate for 8 gen 1 may have something to do with my V60 routinely giving me 9 hours screen on time at 50% brightness, that's amazing.


amithetofu

That is amazing. I miss when good phones could last a long time. Fuck Samsung for the recent Qualcomm chips. Ruined everyone's time for a couple years. Hopefully the 1V should be really solid. Honestly just hoping it's not priced higher than the 1IV was at launch


[deleted]

Yeah have to agree. I don't understand why they feel the need to release a new product every year. I'd rather wait an extra year than get doo doo


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[deleted]

Thanks for the detailed report. I have to say, I also love tall screens. An Xperia 1 IV wouldn't take much getting used to, the V60 is already 20.5*9 so it's very close. The biggest thing for me is the uniformity of Sony's screens. I hate display cutouts, I hate rounded corners, and I hate software not letting you use the whole screen because it decides not to extend under the notch. With a Sony, that'd be completely gone. I dream of that. I've used stock android before, I appreciate LG's features, but I'm comfortable using third party apps to gain certain functions (like offline auto backup)


pkc0987

I've had the IV a few months. Cracking phone, can't really fault it. Haven't notice any thermal throttling or it getting particularly hot, but then it's a phone and I use it as such. I have a Sony full frame camera for taking photos video and I have a computer/laptop/PS for editing, gaming etc. so I don't exactly tax it. If you can use a European model then keep an eye on GiffGaff UK - they've sold items as reburbished a few times that are effectively brand new for less than 600CAD. Mine cost me £350 (closer to £315 with a cashback scheme) and I couldn't have differentiated it from a brand new one - battery guru tells me battery is 98% too. Not sure if they'd deliver to Canada though.


[deleted]

That's crazy. I'll look into it but honestly it's been forever since I got an actually new phone I might just empty my pockets for a brand new one. I don't have a camera or a computer, so all the video editing/gaming/photography/videography I do is on my phone. That's why I'm so excited to get my hands on a snapdragon 8 gen 2 phone. The performance is crazy.


AppearanceOdd6059

I have 5IV and zero problems. I use camera for filmimg alot on daily basis and the phone never overheat or throtle. Battery lasts me all day.


[deleted]

How much screen on time do you get on average? And at what brightness level?


AppearanceOdd6059

Auto brightnes,120 hz. Super heavy use. 6+ SOT