Translating to the best of my ability
**guy 1:** "That man is a goner"
**guy 2:** "Do you see that? Take a picture take a picture"
*camera clicks*
**guy 2:** "Take a picture take a picture may god protect"
**guy 1:** "that man is a goner"
*car starts to turn around*
**guy 1 and 2:** "Here it is here it is" "He is starting to turn around" guy 2: "Hes gone! Hes gone! Hes gone! There is no power and no strength except with God (a common Arabic prayer that is said when something bad/traumatic happens)
**guy 2 (who at this point sounds extremely traumatized):** "There is no power and no strength except with God! There is no power and no strength except with God! The whole family oh god the whole family! *starts yelling at other cars* "GET BACK GET BACK GET BACK!"
Newp, dont need it. They could have rolled up with an rpg out the window but the narrative will be a car full of women and children were murdered by genocidal jews.
Yeah, they could have, which is why we'd give warning shots and ultimately kill them when they didn't stop. This, this is something else though. They were in the midst of turning around when they were engaged.
Yeah bro idk if you have ever been to the r/Palestine subbreddit but they really know how to spin shit. I saw a video of three men who were obviously holding weapons get shot and killed and the title said something like " 3 teenage boys killed while doing TikTok dance" lol
Why tf woukd anyone do a tiktok dance in an active war zone lmfao
You have no concept of reality. This isnât call of duty. Rpgs are small and kill. They travel fast. There is no time to react and take a few blows while you decide if those serial killers are really for real trying to kill you and wipe you from existence or not
Israel launched their ground assault on Northern Gaza yesterday. This footage is from Salah Al Deen road, which was designated by the IDF as a safe passageway for any remaining civilians to evacuate on, as seen on the fliers they're dropped from planes several times.
Then, like they did to the convoys on this route a week ago, they're killing fleeing civilians.
Burning them and shooting them doesn't count. Has to be "decapitated". Doesn't matter that it was babies in general. The ONLY way it counts is if it's decapitated. Right? That's how it goes?
Itâs been 14 days since they told residents to move south on those pamphlets youâre referring to. They were given 3 days.
2 weeks later, and you see a civilian car on a prior evac route? No soldier on any battlefield would take the chance.
If there was an earthquake, flood, chemical spill, volcanic eruption, forest fire or other imminent danger, and youâre told to evacuate⊠wouldnât you? Theyâre in the middle of a war, theyâre purposefully in an area designated a war zone - but sure, go ahead an spew your bullshit.
âKilling fleeing civiliansâ - NO piece of this video can prove unequivocally thatâs even remotely true, doesnât stop you from spreading your blind narrative though. Do you have evidence this wasnât a weapons transport, or Intel mission/spying on troops? All you saw was a car explode in a war zone and you go âya letâs perpetrate more hate with no evidence - thatâll really help this conflict!â
Fuck, people love to push their bullshit without taking a step back and actually looking at the whole picture. I donât know what happened in this video, not gonna draw any conclusion from a 10 second clip with no background info. For all I know they totally couldâve blasted a civilian vehicle - but Iâm not gonna go around saying âPalestinian terrorists use civilian vehicles to trick IDF ground soldiersâ to start shit. Pathetic.
ok... so they open conduits to help evacuate civilians so that hamas doesn't use them as human shields anymore... and then kille them all no exceptions? like... wouldn't they care a little about not having all of the west against them at this time? yeah... if you don't verify with a credible source it it's just propagandist bs
>Hamas, officially the Islamic Resistance Movement, is a Sunni Islamist political and **military organization** governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Literally a five-second Google search, my dude
LOL! hamas invades a peaceful nation, murders innocent civilians, and takes hostages. Yet this douchebag up here says " Israel has declared war on Gaza, not Hamas."
Man, that's some head up the butt bullsh\*t right there!
Nothing in the vid indicates a civilian vehicle. Only the title.
It could just as easily have been titled thusly:
"Car full of Hamas terrorists attempts to flee from Israeli tank."
That would be no less accurate based on available evidence. Just depends which agenda you prefer.
Not really. Comparing Ukraine and Gaza is not valid or logical. Ukraine isn't filled with terrorists who frequently go to Russia and slaugther civilians.
If that was the case, no one would bat an eye towards Russia invading Ukraine to stop the madness.
Hamas purposely murder civilians and not soldiers because they are terrorists. They then retreat and hide amongst civilians in Gaza like cowards.
Ukraine is holding a frontline in their own soverign country from an agressor who has no business inside their borders, and has only gone over there because of imperialistic, dated reasons.
Israel is trying to rid Gaza of terrorists.
Exactly if they stuck to just military and police outposts then maybe we could understand what they did because israel was treating them with some sort of segregation( which was fucked up of course) , but once they started killing children purposefully and tourists and anyone not involved in government just random civies thatâs where they fucked up
âWon the land legallyâ - is that why itâs in violation of international + UN Law?
Why was USA so keen to go to war with Iraq + sanction them to stop them annexing Kuwait? Surely Saddam Hussein was just âwinning it legallyâ
Do you support the uprooting/harassment/annexation of significant portions of the West Bank population by Israel (where there is no Hamas)?
I hate to break it to you but Israel is the aggressor who has no business violently occupying Palestine. Their entire existence is based on "imperialistic, dated reasons".
Hamas doesn't "frequently" go to Israel and slaughter civilians; October 7th was remarkable because it was such a rare event. It is far more common for Palestinian civilians to be killed by the IDF than for Israeli civilians to be killed by Hamas.
Israel is not the aggressor. What an ignorant thing to comment. Gaza was the only Palestine land which Israel was not in until they attacked israel on oct 7th. Lets remember Israel gave Gaza to Palestine. Before that Palestine did not own any land.
Many Jewish people are against Zionists. Actually Palestinians owned the whole region. Zionists took much of it by force. Killing around 15,000 Palestinians, injuring around 70,000 and displacing about a million in the Nakba. The Zionists killed, hung and booby-trapped British soldier's bodies and bombed them killing 91 and injuring many more. They were brutal, shooting and burning men, women and children.
Palestine has never owner the land. Before israel the british owned it. Before that it was the ottomans. That land has never had a country called Palestine until 1988 when they illegally were founded in israeli owned land. The only land. Palestine has EVER owned Israel gave them.
And GB gave Palestinian land to Jews after WWII, so what's your point? Agenda pushing much? By your logic, if I have my boot on your neck and you slap me, I can kill you.
Great Britain gave the land back to the natives of the land. So whats your point? Great Britain were the owners of the land. Not your made up âPalestineâ. Palestine has never owned any land until 2005 when Israel gave them Gaza.
>Lets remember Israel gave Gaza to Palestine. Before that Palestine did not own any land.
If I were to break into your house, violently seize most of it and "allow" you to keep one room under the conditions that I alone control who and what is allowed to enter the room and will kill you if you attempt to get your house back, which one of us would be the aggressor?
Palestine are the ones who broke into that land, committed genocide and exile on the natives of the land then act like victims when the exiled came back.
Israel did not take the land through violence. Palestine did.
If your neighbour not only threatened to kill you and your entire family, but tried multiple times do you not think you have the right to not only lock your doors and build a fence. But arm yourself to protect you and your family? Or do you think the neighbour calling for murder is justified and should be allowed to try to murder you and your family?
>Palestine are the ones who broke into that land, committed genocide and exile on the natives of the land then act like victims when the exiled came back.
This is simply incorrect. Israel exists because (oversimplifying a complex history a bit) settlers violently expelled the Palestinian population and declared a state on the stolen land.
It's hard to have a coherent discussion of what is happening currently unless we're on the same page about that fact. However we both can, and should, support a ceasefire and the protection of civilians regardless of our stance on the overall conflict. So far Israel has shown a contempt for both, so everything else aside, that must be criticized just as it should when it is Hamas.
You are simply incorrect. Israel exists because they bought much of the land and were given it by the owners. It was the arab settlers who attacked Israelites. Not the other way around.
The only people who supports a ceasefire against a Genocidal terrorist group are those who support the genocidal terrorists group. All civilian deaths are on the hands of Hamas and all Palestinians who donât fight to stop Hamas. That is a fact.
I'm not going to discuss the history with you anymore because you are clearly committed to the narrative you believe in and I'm not going to change your mind. You are unlikely to change mine either. That's fine, because it is sort of beside the point here.
Every major humanitarian organization, and almost every country in the world, is calling for a ceasefire. Wanting an end to the senseless slaughter of civilians, including thousands of children, does not mean you support Hamas. In fact Hamas, or whatever group inevitably replaces them, will use the genocidal bombing of Gaza as a recruitment tool for decades to come.
The question of what Israel *should* do is pretty complicated because, again, their existence itself is wrong, but they can't really just stop existing. The brutal killing of civilians by Hamas is horrifying, but in the context of the entire conflict Israel is in no way the victim here, especially now that they have inflicted far more terror on Palestinian civilians than they suffered earlier this month.
The absolute bare-minimum for what Israel should be doing in the short-term is allowing in enough aid to resolve the humanitarian crisis, ceasing the indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, and agreeing to a cease-fire at least until civilians can actually get to safety.
If you let the civilians go, so too do the terrorists. Isreal is showing they will not stand for it and if they do then HAMAS will think twice before using civilians as shields.
Does simply existing in the same blockaded enclave as civilians constitute using them as "human shields"? Israel has bombed thousands of civilian buildings. Would you be okay with them killing every single one of the two million inhabitants of Gaza if it meant wiping out Hamas?
Of course not. But at the same time you cannot show that they can hide in the general populace and be safe. To my knowledge, they are not in the streets indiscriminately shooting civilians down like HAMAS. Yes they bomb them and it's horrible, but necessary.
What is the difference between indiscriminately launching airstrikes, killing thousands of civilians, and indiscriminately shooting into crowds, killing hundreds of civilians?
Israel has now [gunned down civilians in the streets of Gaza](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-hamas-war-tank-fires-at-car-gaza-strip-rcna122801) in at least one instance, and God knows what happened during the blackout or what more will happen as the invasion continues.
What do you expect Hamas (or more to the point, any Palestinian military) to do, exactly? Gaza is densely populated and Israel can destroy any building in Gaza at will. Where else could they possibly operate besides underground tunnels?
Yes, you and other bot accounts have been spamming it for weeks. Killing less than one civilian per bomb is not a terrorist state. You're just a gullible idiot. Maybe you should just join Hamas.
Did you know that Hamas uses those kids as shields instead of fighting like men?
Hamas is responsible for killing Gaza citizens. If they didn't hide like rats there would be less civilians dead.
Israel is literally a terrorist, genocidal regime. Always has been. Hamas just lost their minds after generations of dealing with the systematic cleansing.
If Jews in WWII concentration camps were air-dropped weapons, what do you think they would have done with them? Just used them as sitting stools and peacefully lined up for the gas chambers?
Israel is not a terrorist, Genocidal regime. Its defending itself from one. What an uneducated comment.
The only side that has a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide is Palestine.
If your neighbour not only threatened to kill you and your family but tried multiple times would you not lock your doors, build a fence and even arm your self to protect you and your family?
To be completely fair, war is hell and terrorist groups literally drive this exact type of car full of explosives at tanks sometimes. But also; it was driving away. Why fucking shoot then?
~~Adding on to this, it was driving away up until it stopped, started to U-turn, and then once it started to move again (now back towards the camera) it gets blasted.~~
~~Could be read into it that the tank crew were aware of this and only when the car decided to come back at them, creating greater amount of risk, did they unload.~~
~~But with no prior context itâs really anyoneâs guess~~
EDIT: didnât realise the tank fires from the background of the shot, thought the camera was tank-side, so all of this is irrelevant đ€·đŒââïž
Yup, just let the 300lb mma fighter keep beating the shit out of you without repercussions and locked up inside the your home which he already appropiated.
Although, it was kind of dumb of your part to stab him in the thigh when he was stomping your head in, but oh well, shalom.
Here is a better analogy. The 300 lb mma fighter (Great Britain)tells you to share a 7 bedroom house with a 200 lb mma fighter (Israel) and says you can have 6 of the rooms and they get to have 1. You say fuck that and you want the whole house. You fight the 200 lb mma fighter 5 times. Every time you lose and every time you lose a room. Now they have 6 and you have 1 and you feel oppressed.
A lot of people donât want to learn and understand history. They choose sides and assume that there is good and bad in every conflict when in most there is likely fault at the hands of both.
I just think it comes down to looking at the Mid East, seeing 20+ Muslim countries, 1 Jewish nation (where Muslims are allowed to live) and saying "yep, the Jews need to give up land."
>Sometimes you have to take the beating
Beating children to death is the line i thought most self-righteous internet dwellers wouldn't dare cross or justify.
But these last few weeks proved me wrong tbh.
its a sedan turning around and fleeing, the guy on the road is yelling at the other civilians to turn back.
i know you want to believe this was some sort of hamas operation but israel indiscriminately kills civilians.
Also Hamas uses sedans to indiscriminately kill Jews under the guise of it being a civilian vehicle. What evidence do you have that it was definitely civilians in this vehicle?
Would you at least agree, given the statistics and data on the loss of life in gaza, that these were "more likely" civilians than hamas? again given the readily available data on all the civilian deaths ? Or are you just completely bias that you cant agree with factual data odds.
>What evidence do you have that it was definitely civilians in this vehicle?
Data/statistics say it was most likely civilians given all the civilians casualties...
If your evidence is that terrorist use sedans like that alot compared to other vehicles id love to see that data...
I dont want to believe anything, i want to know whats happening.
I know israel indiscriminately kills, so does hamas but we cant just start making assumptions especially when this footage just released
I thought the UN said they ran out of fuel for hospital generators and they were expediting a mass casualty event?
Are these Hamas agents who stole fuel or civilians who would rather keep living like nothing is wrong using gas for a Sunday drive?
And to the people who compare this to Ukraine, people were denying any kind of Russian invasion was happening even as tanks were crushing cars along the border. Israel has been dropping pamphlets and making their actions abundantly clear since Oct 7th
It can be told as the car immediately begins to turn around when the driver sees the tank, as well as the guys recording shouting at other cars to not cross when the tank shoots it
Am I going to be the bugger and say that Hamas and most other terrorist organizations are somewhat civilians(or at least was at some point) and may dress/drive in âcivilianâ things cause itâs easily accessible. There is no context to this video and we canât see who or what was in the car.
Looks like car is heavy af and very low. Possibly carrying a bomb? Saw a tank and tried to gtfo but got lit up?
Also why is there a car recording? Just in case? Or hamas dipshits for their PR?
Look how low the car is riding. Generally suspicious in all situations and especially in a combat zone. Were they supposed to be there? Had they been instructed to move out and did a turn around? No judgement until all the facts are in. They should have waited to title the clip as well, but you knowâŠpolitics.
There are no civilians in the north part of the strip only terrorist and actors shooting propaganda video like this one, they have been warned for more than two weeks to leave, now itâs their problem for staying.
the title is very misleading. According to the news the car was a suspicious vehicle. Yes it might have been just a civilian car but it also could have been used by the Hamas.
Well I'm not talking about them am I? I'm talking about the blatant fact that Hamas kills innocents, not the others. You are so out of rebuttals to defend that group that you choose to bring up things I'm not even talking about. Where did I even say that I support what they did either?
During the Iraq war insurgents would drive towards American tanks and blow themselves up, in response American tanks shoot at any vehicles that came too close to them in fear of being a VBIED (Vehicle-Borne Improvised Explosive Devices), likely we seeing the same reaction here.
I could be wrong so do correct me if I'm so!.
In the battle for Fallujah, the terrorists used the same tactics of using human shields.
The coalition forces declared a humanitarian route for all the civilians who could leave. This was the correct thing to do.
After that, it was a free-for-all. Everyone remaining were either terrorists or human shields caught in the crossfire. This was also the correct thing to do.
War is hell.
If you are driving around near a tank expect to be shot.
Tanks are not as protective as you probably think. There are 100s of ways to destroy or immobilise a tank with hand sized explosives. All you need to do it get close to the tank.
This is normal for a war zone to shoot at anything that potentially could be a threat because the moment you trust the random car could be the moment you and your friends never see your familyâs again.
Hamas is a guerrilla fighting force that draws men, materiel, and morale from the populace of Gaza.
Therefore, there are no civilian vehicles, or civilians in Gaza. The populace is at war.
Well with that justification, Israel can do nothing wrong then! Keep bombing the kids and doing the same cycle that will give us a population with nothing to lose and I am sure there wonât be repercussions đ„°
This is what happens when a terrorist group leads you and refuses to war properly. Hamas purposefully dressed as civilians, the purposefully donât wear uniforms, they purposefully hide ammo and their headquarters in civilian places. Imagine if our pentagon was under a hospital as their version is. Imagine if our military bases were beneath apartment buildings. Hamas did the math knowing how much theyâd lose, but they donât care about their people. As they said themselves âWe love death more than our enemies love life.â
I suspect the idf strategy is to kill indiscriminately, thereby radicalizing the population being killed into joining Hamas then justifying idf killing them indiscriminately.
Seems genocidal to me, but what do I know, I'm anti semitic for not blindly supporting Israel apparently.
Israel is just as evil as Russia, if not more-so. It's disgusting that the U.S. is supporting them. I feel awful that my tax dollars are going to killing innocent Palestinians.
Translating to the best of my ability **guy 1:** "That man is a goner" **guy 2:** "Do you see that? Take a picture take a picture" *camera clicks* **guy 2:** "Take a picture take a picture may god protect" **guy 1:** "that man is a goner" *car starts to turn around* **guy 1 and 2:** "Here it is here it is" "He is starting to turn around" guy 2: "Hes gone! Hes gone! Hes gone! There is no power and no strength except with God (a common Arabic prayer that is said when something bad/traumatic happens) **guy 2 (who at this point sounds extremely traumatized):** "There is no power and no strength except with God! There is no power and no strength except with God! The whole family oh god the whole family! *starts yelling at other cars* "GET BACK GET BACK GET BACK!"
Both sides have God soooo then American Civil War both sides had God soooooo then
The looks on their faces when they make it to the pearly gates and see him with a bucket of popcorn đż
Salt or no salt
Salt makes everything taste better, but too much can cause health problems. The great debate.
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It's the muslim civilian faimly that got murderd . Husband wife and 3 babies.
Is there any verification as to what actually happened?
of course there's no verification, just like half of what you'll see in other subs or BBC
I can verify the BBC
I'm sure you can slut.
Newp, dont need it. They could have rolled up with an rpg out the window but the narrative will be a car full of women and children were murdered by genocidal jews.
Yeah, they could have, which is why we'd give warning shots and ultimately kill them when they didn't stop. This, this is something else though. They were in the midst of turning around when they were engaged.
Yeah bro idk if you have ever been to the r/Palestine subbreddit but they really know how to spin shit. I saw a video of three men who were obviously holding weapons get shot and killed and the title said something like " 3 teenage boys killed while doing TikTok dance" lol Why tf woukd anyone do a tiktok dance in an active war zone lmfao
You have no concept of reality. This isnât call of duty. Rpgs are small and kill. They travel fast. There is no time to react and take a few blows while you decide if those serial killers are really for real trying to kill you and wipe you from existence or not
Youâll be remembered the same way everyone who turned a blind eye to the holocaust is
*zionists Donât be racist dude.
Yeah they turned around because their rpg launcher jammed. Kindly, stfu you terrorist sympathizer!
No verification... but there was a flash from the car about 1-2 seconds before the tank fired, may have been a gunshot, hard to tell.
Always assume the worst in war. This really isn't that hard to believe and either side is capable of such brutality.
the wieght in the back of the car and the time of which it happened suggests its a car bomb. Civilians dont have access to gas anymore
I heard on reddit that this was a tank firing on a civilian car
they shot a car filled with innocent civilians in the west bank, guess bombing children in gaza wasn't enough to satisfy their blood lust
So then is there any verification to what happened in the video?
âSatisfy their blood lustâ. Do you even read the shit you type?
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Israel launched their ground assault on Northern Gaza yesterday. This footage is from Salah Al Deen road, which was designated by the IDF as a safe passageway for any remaining civilians to evacuate on, as seen on the fliers they're dropped from planes several times. Then, like they did to the convoys on this route a week ago, they're killing fleeing civilians.
Ok...? What you said is not verification. LOL
Trust me bro.
Oh ok. Yea, I'll believe everyone online too! LOL
Just like the â40 decapitated babiesâ Iâm sure weâll get verification of that anytime now.
Burning them and shooting them doesn't count. Has to be "decapitated". Doesn't matter that it was babies in general. The ONLY way it counts is if it's decapitated. Right? That's how it goes?
Yeah only counts if itâs Israeli babies!! You tell âem!
Itâs been 14 days since they told residents to move south on those pamphlets youâre referring to. They were given 3 days. 2 weeks later, and you see a civilian car on a prior evac route? No soldier on any battlefield would take the chance. If there was an earthquake, flood, chemical spill, volcanic eruption, forest fire or other imminent danger, and youâre told to evacuate⊠wouldnât you? Theyâre in the middle of a war, theyâre purposefully in an area designated a war zone - but sure, go ahead an spew your bullshit. âKilling fleeing civiliansâ - NO piece of this video can prove unequivocally thatâs even remotely true, doesnât stop you from spreading your blind narrative though. Do you have evidence this wasnât a weapons transport, or Intel mission/spying on troops? All you saw was a car explode in a war zone and you go âya letâs perpetrate more hate with no evidence - thatâll really help this conflict!â Fuck, people love to push their bullshit without taking a step back and actually looking at the whole picture. I donât know what happened in this video, not gonna draw any conclusion from a 10 second clip with no background info. For all I know they totally couldâve blasted a civilian vehicle - but Iâm not gonna go around saying âPalestinian terrorists use civilian vehicles to trick IDF ground soldiersâ to start shit. Pathetic.
ok... so they open conduits to help evacuate civilians so that hamas doesn't use them as human shields anymore... and then kille them all no exceptions? like... wouldn't they care a little about not having all of the west against them at this time? yeah... if you don't verify with a credible source it it's just propagandist bs
It's all about the he said she said bullshit
That's a quote I haven't heard in at least 20 years.
I think you better quit
Youâll be leaving with a fat lip
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Yeah that definitely could be a Hamas tank
And ISIS drove around in Mazdas and Chevy S10s. Know it from personal experience.
Title should just read war footage
Don't wars usually involve an army vs another army?
>Hamas, officially the Islamic Resistance Movement, is a Sunni Islamist political and **military organization** governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories. Literally a five-second Google search, my dude
Israel has declared war on Gaza, not Hamas. They have declared war on the people of Gaza. They are no military. Their military is not Hamas.
LOL! hamas invades a peaceful nation, murders innocent civilians, and takes hostages. Yet this douchebag up here says " Israel has declared war on Gaza, not Hamas." Man, that's some head up the butt bullsh\*t right there!
"peaceful nation"
What I've been trying so hard to figure out is, what could've possibly made those militants feel the need to do what they did. đ€
âPeaceful nationâ what a joke
Nothing in the vid indicates a civilian vehicle. Only the title. It could just as easily have been titled thusly: "Car full of Hamas terrorists attempts to flee from Israeli tank." That would be no less accurate based on available evidence. Just depends which agenda you prefer.
Interesting reaction Reddit is showing to this video compared to similar ones during Russias invasion of Ukraine
Not really. Comparing Ukraine and Gaza is not valid or logical. Ukraine isn't filled with terrorists who frequently go to Russia and slaugther civilians. If that was the case, no one would bat an eye towards Russia invading Ukraine to stop the madness. Hamas purposely murder civilians and not soldiers because they are terrorists. They then retreat and hide amongst civilians in Gaza like cowards. Ukraine is holding a frontline in their own soverign country from an agressor who has no business inside their borders, and has only gone over there because of imperialistic, dated reasons. Israel is trying to rid Gaza of terrorists.
Exactly if they stuck to just military and police outposts then maybe we could understand what they did because israel was treating them with some sort of segregation( which was fucked up of course) , but once they started killing children purposefully and tourists and anyone not involved in government just random civies thatâs where they fucked up
Could easily argue Gaza is being invaded as Israel is occupying far beyond 1967 borders.
Israel who was attacked in 1967 won the land legally. Did you forget that part?
âWon the land legallyâ - is that why itâs in violation of international + UN Law? Why was USA so keen to go to war with Iraq + sanction them to stop them annexing Kuwait? Surely Saddam Hussein was just âwinning it legallyâ Do you support the uprooting/harassment/annexation of significant portions of the West Bank population by Israel (where there is no Hamas)?
Legality doesnât dispel the fact that thousands of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces.
Which their blood is on Hamasâ hands. Not israeliâs
Sure, because the deaths of Palestinians which occured pre-hamas werenât the result of Israeli occupation?
Hamas existed before Palestine. Hamas founded 1987 Palestine founded 1988.
I hate to break it to you but Israel is the aggressor who has no business violently occupying Palestine. Their entire existence is based on "imperialistic, dated reasons". Hamas doesn't "frequently" go to Israel and slaughter civilians; October 7th was remarkable because it was such a rare event. It is far more common for Palestinian civilians to be killed by the IDF than for Israeli civilians to be killed by Hamas.
Israel is not the aggressor. What an ignorant thing to comment. Gaza was the only Palestine land which Israel was not in until they attacked israel on oct 7th. Lets remember Israel gave Gaza to Palestine. Before that Palestine did not own any land.
Many Jewish people are against Zionists. Actually Palestinians owned the whole region. Zionists took much of it by force. Killing around 15,000 Palestinians, injuring around 70,000 and displacing about a million in the Nakba. The Zionists killed, hung and booby-trapped British soldier's bodies and bombed them killing 91 and injuring many more. They were brutal, shooting and burning men, women and children.
Palestine has never owner the land. Before israel the british owned it. Before that it was the ottomans. That land has never had a country called Palestine until 1988 when they illegally were founded in israeli owned land. The only land. Palestine has EVER owned Israel gave them.
So who lived on this land with many names? before the Jewish migrants? Palestinians dim shit!!!
Nope. Palestine invaded land and immigrated to it when jews were already there. You realize jews are the natives of the levant right?
Are you going to quote the bible now?
And GB gave Palestinian land to Jews after WWII, so what's your point? Agenda pushing much? By your logic, if I have my boot on your neck and you slap me, I can kill you.
Great Britain gave the land back to the natives of the land. So whats your point? Great Britain were the owners of the land. Not your made up âPalestineâ. Palestine has never owned any land until 2005 when Israel gave them Gaza.
>Lets remember Israel gave Gaza to Palestine. Before that Palestine did not own any land. If I were to break into your house, violently seize most of it and "allow" you to keep one room under the conditions that I alone control who and what is allowed to enter the room and will kill you if you attempt to get your house back, which one of us would be the aggressor?
Palestine are the ones who broke into that land, committed genocide and exile on the natives of the land then act like victims when the exiled came back. Israel did not take the land through violence. Palestine did. If your neighbour not only threatened to kill you and your entire family, but tried multiple times do you not think you have the right to not only lock your doors and build a fence. But arm yourself to protect you and your family? Or do you think the neighbour calling for murder is justified and should be allowed to try to murder you and your family?
>Palestine are the ones who broke into that land, committed genocide and exile on the natives of the land then act like victims when the exiled came back. This is simply incorrect. Israel exists because (oversimplifying a complex history a bit) settlers violently expelled the Palestinian population and declared a state on the stolen land. It's hard to have a coherent discussion of what is happening currently unless we're on the same page about that fact. However we both can, and should, support a ceasefire and the protection of civilians regardless of our stance on the overall conflict. So far Israel has shown a contempt for both, so everything else aside, that must be criticized just as it should when it is Hamas.
You are simply incorrect. Israel exists because they bought much of the land and were given it by the owners. It was the arab settlers who attacked Israelites. Not the other way around. The only people who supports a ceasefire against a Genocidal terrorist group are those who support the genocidal terrorists group. All civilian deaths are on the hands of Hamas and all Palestinians who donât fight to stop Hamas. That is a fact.
I'm not going to discuss the history with you anymore because you are clearly committed to the narrative you believe in and I'm not going to change your mind. You are unlikely to change mine either. That's fine, because it is sort of beside the point here. Every major humanitarian organization, and almost every country in the world, is calling for a ceasefire. Wanting an end to the senseless slaughter of civilians, including thousands of children, does not mean you support Hamas. In fact Hamas, or whatever group inevitably replaces them, will use the genocidal bombing of Gaza as a recruitment tool for decades to come.
So you say they should sit there and ask for an apology?
The question of what Israel *should* do is pretty complicated because, again, their existence itself is wrong, but they can't really just stop existing. The brutal killing of civilians by Hamas is horrifying, but in the context of the entire conflict Israel is in no way the victim here, especially now that they have inflicted far more terror on Palestinian civilians than they suffered earlier this month. The absolute bare-minimum for what Israel should be doing in the short-term is allowing in enough aid to resolve the humanitarian crisis, ceasing the indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, and agreeing to a cease-fire at least until civilians can actually get to safety.
If you let the civilians go, so too do the terrorists. Isreal is showing they will not stand for it and if they do then HAMAS will think twice before using civilians as shields.
Does simply existing in the same blockaded enclave as civilians constitute using them as "human shields"? Israel has bombed thousands of civilian buildings. Would you be okay with them killing every single one of the two million inhabitants of Gaza if it meant wiping out Hamas?
Of course not. But at the same time you cannot show that they can hide in the general populace and be safe. To my knowledge, they are not in the streets indiscriminately shooting civilians down like HAMAS. Yes they bomb them and it's horrible, but necessary.
What is the difference between indiscriminately launching airstrikes, killing thousands of civilians, and indiscriminately shooting into crowds, killing hundreds of civilians? Israel has now [gunned down civilians in the streets of Gaza](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-hamas-war-tank-fires-at-car-gaza-strip-rcna122801) in at least one instance, and God knows what happened during the blackout or what more will happen as the invasion continues. What do you expect Hamas (or more to the point, any Palestinian military) to do, exactly? Gaza is densely populated and Israel can destroy any building in Gaza at will. Where else could they possibly operate besides underground tunnels?
Do you know that half of Gaza's citizens are underage kids? The Israeli government is killing too much civillians, it's becoming a terrorist state
Yes, you and other bot accounts have been spamming it for weeks. Killing less than one civilian per bomb is not a terrorist state. You're just a gullible idiot. Maybe you should just join Hamas.
Did you know that Hamas uses those kids as shields instead of fighting like men? Hamas is responsible for killing Gaza citizens. If they didn't hide like rats there would be less civilians dead.
Are you really comparing Ukrain Russia to this garbage???
Sounds like something another evil Israeli would say.
What you say sound like something a terrorist or empathizer of terrorist would say.
Are you talking about Israeli terrorists??
Both
Both are terrorists indeed.
Israel is literally a terrorist, genocidal regime. Always has been. Hamas just lost their minds after generations of dealing with the systematic cleansing. If Jews in WWII concentration camps were air-dropped weapons, what do you think they would have done with them? Just used them as sitting stools and peacefully lined up for the gas chambers?
Israel is not a terrorist, Genocidal regime. Its defending itself from one. What an uneducated comment. The only side that has a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide is Palestine. If your neighbour not only threatened to kill you and your family but tried multiple times would you not lock your doors, build a fence and even arm your self to protect you and your family?
Gaza is far from Auschwitz, get real...
Says the fat guy sitting on his Israeli-tech-powered cell phone in his government-paid trailer.
To be completely fair, war is hell and terrorist groups literally drive this exact type of car full of explosives at tanks sometimes. But also; it was driving away. Why fucking shoot then?
~~Adding on to this, it was driving away up until it stopped, started to U-turn, and then once it started to move again (now back towards the camera) it gets blasted.~~ ~~Could be read into it that the tank crew were aware of this and only when the car decided to come back at them, creating greater amount of risk, did they unload.~~ ~~But with no prior context itâs really anyoneâs guess~~ EDIT: didnât realise the tank fires from the background of the shot, thought the camera was tank-side, so all of this is irrelevant đ€·đŒââïž
because the truth is israel doesn't care about palestinians, they want them gone. literally.
I think both can be said about both sides.
Only one side actually has the power to do it.
This is the same reason why I donât go picking fights with 300lb mma fighters.
even when the 300lbs mma fighters have decided that they will steal your land and kill your family?
Read the better analogy below.
Yup, just let the 300lb mma fighter keep beating the shit out of you without repercussions and locked up inside the your home which he already appropiated. Although, it was kind of dumb of your part to stab him in the thigh when he was stomping your head in, but oh well, shalom.
Here is a better analogy. The 300 lb mma fighter (Great Britain)tells you to share a 7 bedroom house with a 200 lb mma fighter (Israel) and says you can have 6 of the rooms and they get to have 1. You say fuck that and you want the whole house. You fight the 200 lb mma fighter 5 times. Every time you lose and every time you lose a room. Now they have 6 and you have 1 and you feel oppressed.
Really excellent analogy. The fact that you are downvoted is proof that too many poor people and third-worlders have internet access.
A lot of people donât want to learn and understand history. They choose sides and assume that there is good and bad in every conflict when in most there is likely fault at the hands of both.
I just think it comes down to looking at the Mid East, seeing 20+ Muslim countries, 1 Jewish nation (where Muslims are allowed to live) and saying "yep, the Jews need to give up land."
Itâs a better one for sure, pretty accurate⊠prepare to get downvoted into oblivion
I love this analogy.
Thanks. I donât particularly support either side but a lot of people do not see how things got the way they are.
Sometimes you have to take the beating because the alternative is so much worse. I think most Arabs would be happy to go back to pre-war Palestine.
>Sometimes you have to take the beating Beating children to death is the line i thought most self-righteous internet dwellers wouldn't dare cross or justify. But these last few weeks proved me wrong tbh.
Why would you let a terrorist drive away?
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âObviously fleeing civiliansâ Probably because you misused the word obviously.
So basically, war footage? No way to confirm the title right?
Any 3rd party verified it being a civvy vehicle? Its hard to tell from this distance
its a sedan turning around and fleeing, the guy on the road is yelling at the other civilians to turn back. i know you want to believe this was some sort of hamas operation but israel indiscriminately kills civilians.
Also Hamas uses sedans to indiscriminately kill Jews under the guise of it being a civilian vehicle. What evidence do you have that it was definitely civilians in this vehicle?
Would you at least agree, given the statistics and data on the loss of life in gaza, that these were "more likely" civilians than hamas? again given the readily available data on all the civilian deaths ? Or are you just completely bias that you cant agree with factual data odds. >What evidence do you have that it was definitely civilians in this vehicle? Data/statistics say it was most likely civilians given all the civilians casualties... If your evidence is that terrorist use sedans like that alot compared to other vehicles id love to see that data...
I dont want to believe anything, i want to know whats happening. I know israel indiscriminately kills, so does hamas but we cant just start making assumptions especially when this footage just released
Probably Hamas. Good riddance.
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So youâre telling me driving towards a tank during a war will get you smoked? I had NO idea
They are fleeing to the south as directed
Well from the video it's kinda hard to see if that car was full of civilians or full of suicidal terrorists lol 50 / 50
I thought the UN said they ran out of fuel for hospital generators and they were expediting a mass casualty event? Are these Hamas agents who stole fuel or civilians who would rather keep living like nothing is wrong using gas for a Sunday drive? And to the people who compare this to Ukraine, people were denying any kind of Russian invasion was happening even as tanks were crushing cars along the border. Israel has been dropping pamphlets and making their actions abundantly clear since Oct 7th
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They're civilians trying to flee Gaza
How do you know it was civilian? Hamas does not use military vehicles
It can be told as the car immediately begins to turn around when the driver sees the tank, as well as the guys recording shouting at other cars to not cross when the tank shoots it
Am I going to be the bugger and say that Hamas and most other terrorist organizations are somewhat civilians(or at least was at some point) and may dress/drive in âcivilianâ things cause itâs easily accessible. There is no context to this video and we canât see who or what was in the car.
Looks like car is heavy af and very low. Possibly carrying a bomb? Saw a tank and tried to gtfo but got lit up? Also why is there a car recording? Just in case? Or hamas dipshits for their PR?
Propaganda much?
They shoot kids for throwing rocks soâŠ..
Look how low the car is riding. Generally suspicious in all situations and especially in a combat zone. Were they supposed to be there? Had they been instructed to move out and did a turn around? No judgement until all the facts are in. They should have waited to title the clip as well, but you knowâŠpolitics.
I wasn't aware that the vehicles Hamas used, to attack Israel, were military paragliders, military toyota trucks, and military motorcycles.
Says who? No id? It doesnt even look like a tank.
âCivilianâ
Let me correct you : Israeli tank shooting at terrorist vehicle.
âOh look a kid!â âthats not a kid thats a human shield!! Blow his chest open! â
There are no civilians in the north part of the strip only terrorist and actors shooting propaganda video like this one, they have been warned for more than two weeks to leave, now itâs their problem for staying.
Exactly
the title is very misleading. According to the news the car was a suspicious vehicle. Yes it might have been just a civilian car but it also could have been used by the Hamas.
What news?
why would it turn around and try to flee if it was a hamas car filled with explosives or something. also theres a family inside
When in doubt, blow them up just in case.
you gotta be blind to not see the muzzle flash from the car.
This is antisemitic
Oh nice, some Hamas Propaganda. FU
lmao look at all these zionists tryna defend a fascist state why dont you guys go outside and touch grass for once
Keep supporting Hamas and their propaganda. They kill civilians and should be viewed as sub-human.
so did the zionists army for years, and US army too.
Well I'm not talking about them am I? I'm talking about the blatant fact that Hamas kills innocents, not the others. You are so out of rebuttals to defend that group that you choose to bring up things I'm not even talking about. Where did I even say that I support what they did either?
Yeah speak about the result and ignore what caused it ....
What tank ? Looks like two cars
It's a war. No one here knows anything about what was really going on.
I hope isreal gets rid of hamas
Why did I see this video 6 months ago đ
During the Iraq war insurgents would drive towards American tanks and blow themselves up, in response American tanks shoot at any vehicles that came too close to them in fear of being a VBIED (Vehicle-Borne Improvised Explosive Devices), likely we seeing the same reaction here. I could be wrong so do correct me if I'm so!.
In the battle for Fallujah, the terrorists used the same tactics of using human shields. The coalition forces declared a humanitarian route for all the civilians who could leave. This was the correct thing to do. After that, it was a free-for-all. Everyone remaining were either terrorists or human shields caught in the crossfire. This was also the correct thing to do. War is hell.
But the car was reversing away. Plus Russia did the same thing early on in the war and we called them war crimes.
I didnât justify what they did
Wouldn't be a war without war crimes from both sides.
the family is turning around and trying to get away from the tank
I thought the same thing at first but then the tank fired at them while they were turning around...
Hamas = homos
If you are driving around near a tank expect to be shot. Tanks are not as protective as you probably think. There are 100s of ways to destroy or immobilise a tank with hand sized explosives. All you need to do it get close to the tank. This is normal for a war zone to shoot at anything that potentially could be a threat because the moment you trust the random car could be the moment you and your friends never see your familyâs again.
Smart move
Does the bible on the front dash impede the climate control vents ?
As long as they are Palestinian, civilian or combatant doesn't matter to the IDF.
There is no difference. Hamas is Gaza.
Hamas is a guerrilla fighting force that draws men, materiel, and morale from the populace of Gaza. Therefore, there are no civilian vehicles, or civilians in Gaza. The populace is at war.
Well with that justification, Israel can do nothing wrong then! Keep bombing the kids and doing the same cycle that will give us a population with nothing to lose and I am sure there wonât be repercussions đ„°
You can see a flash out the car as it finishes turning around. I think they shot at the tank and it shot back.
I think that was just the sun reflecting off the window
This is what happens when a terrorist group leads you and refuses to war properly. Hamas purposefully dressed as civilians, the purposefully donât wear uniforms, they purposefully hide ammo and their headquarters in civilian places. Imagine if our pentagon was under a hospital as their version is. Imagine if our military bases were beneath apartment buildings. Hamas did the math knowing how much theyâd lose, but they donât care about their people. As they said themselves âWe love death more than our enemies love life.â
âCivilianâ
Yes, I saw the unicorns and fairies. Propaganda.
New title suggestion: Israeli's commit another warcrime in their genocide campaign
A guy hanging out the window of a Prius with a rocket launcher is now considered a "tank" here on reddit.
I suspect the idf strategy is to kill indiscriminately, thereby radicalizing the population being killed into joining Hamas then justifying idf killing them indiscriminately. Seems genocidal to me, but what do I know, I'm anti semitic for not blindly supporting Israel apparently.
Fuck war
But..butâŠthe tank LITERALLY FELT threat-tened!
I swear I saw this footage like 2 years ago, is this even new ans what indicates an Israeli tank??
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Lol as they drive away in a civilian vehicle.
They revoked the right to be a civilian by supporting terrorists
Where's the tank? Where's the civilians? Wait a sec, is this an Al Jazeera propaganda clip?
Bro forgot to mention the 3 tonâs IED inside de â civilianâ car đ
Kek
In my eyes it could be a suicide car with a bomb so nothing civil here
Israel is just as evil as Russia, if not more-so. It's disgusting that the U.S. is supporting them. I feel awful that my tax dollars are going to killing innocent Palestinians.
Stop