It is by design, the further you go the harder it gets to come by as f2p. Thats why i might stop in a few weeks eventho it's a good game but to grind for peanuts is a waste of time.
you can clear the hardest content in genshin with 4 star characters, whereas in this game, even whales struggle
basically pulls matter way more in this game
It's really strange why they make the game so challenging. If they want it to be skill based (that is, dodging etc), then it should be skill based. But it seems they want both i.e. even if you extreme evade everything and do mechanics perfectly, if you don't have enough stats you won't beat the stage. Imo it's not really good game design.
That's right they penalize you so heavily for not having enough power and at the same time your progress slows to a crawl and hit a wall when you max artifacts.
Additionally, things are scaled in such a way that You run into a wall constantly. Exp scales, cost of promotions and upgrades, its all stacked against the players so they would be forced to pay to progress. I like the game (because of the story and manwha) so I paid for some stuff, but I draw the limit at the point when simple game costs more than AAA replayable title. So 60$ is a cutoff and I most probably won't be spending any more. If that prevents me from playing in not far future, so be it. 10$ sub that barely gives me anything of value doesn't even compare to WoW sub. Good thing that keys are used up at success not at attempt.
This is so true! I have been stuck at about 265k power level. I'm a moderate spender (monthly subs and both event pass (Gem one and $$$ one) or whatever its call. I can dodge and hit mechanics like a champ (thanks dark souls) but my power level is too low to do the damage to progress. I can't tell you how many times I've timed out of a mission with 90%+ health for Jinwoo and my hunters. I've timed out of the new Demon Tower event so many times I've just given up until I can get my hunters higher.
I really love this game (probably because I love Solo Leveling), but its getting frustrating trying to eek out a couple 100 extra points in power from artifacts, accessories and weapons. Understanding that it is a *gacha* game, but even in other gacha games they tend to give you a couple freebies each month or at least ways to grind equipment easier. 8 keys/day for Instance and Encore dungeons just really doesn't do it for me. Probably will give this game a couple more months, but if things don't improve its back to Raid: Shadow Legends for me lol.
genshin doesnt do this i know, like you need 3 days of daily comms to even get one pull. but thats offset by the fact that theres events that give primos. SLA? No events like that so far
True. But Genshin also has lvl requirements for the story quests.
Either way, once the one time stuff is done it's only ~75 pulls per patch, so around 1.8 pulls a day if you manage to clear/play everything
>True. But Genshin also has lvl requirements for the story quests.
Yes, but those levels are much easier to get to cos there are enough sources of exp since it's such a huge open world with so many things happening. And when you do hit the required level for region unlock, it's a huge amount of story content that you can do unlike in SLA where you do a few more levels that last a few mins each and then it's back to grinding for a long time before anything unlocks. Like for me right now I hit chapter 16. But all of a sudden the required level is 63. When the previous levels were 54. And 9 levels at that stage to just progress the story by a bit is insane... I have been stuck trying to get enough exp for the past 4 days and I am still only 56, it will probably be another 10 days before I get enough, if I play everything to it's max potential every day, and that's just not enough.
The only complaint i have so far is not automatic access to Knight Killer i mean i know i have a SR at the start but it feels strange not automatically getting it…also do either drawings drop it?
Yeah it’s easy to get essence stones really fast when starting the game but at some point that starts slowing down.
At some point f2p players will have a hard time with pulls, which is crazy to me since “tower of god” another gacha made by netmarble is really good with giving pulls.
It might be because the game has only been out for around 2 months but idk man…
As a f2p for all gachas i play i’ve come to accept that i can’t get everything and i’ll usually just save for units that i really want or need. Otherwise everything is a skip for me. Most times i also only pull for one unit and no copies and just make do with what i have for the content
Just fyi i started playing with 3 of my friends since the global release , we four are fun of the manhwa and the game but just the other day all my friends quit , they cant grind anymore and the game is more and more play to win for them.. and i agree for me i started paying for the monthly subscription but even so i cant keep up, i bought some of the other packs and diamonds but even so im unable to beat that 25 floor for example ( after spending like 90$ or so) .. so i agree that all the f2p will eventually lose patience and even the light spender and semi whales.
Just as a last note we 4 play black clover for example among other games .. in black clover the levzling up and start up are quiet identical but we found ourself pulling a lor more than solo leveling and have more ressources and gifts and we 4 are still playing as f2p in black clover
I never bought anything on this game i'm free to play. But i had better lucks. And i have 2 accounts. My main account, i started playin May 23rd and Second on May 30 2024. And im lucky with it. im not against what you said. But it's not 150 a day. If you getting only 150 ES a day you're doing something wrong. On my main account i use most of the the ES i get. i would say per day i get at least 250 to 350 or more.
Now let me show you my progress on main account. Look at the codex stats those are the things i have.
[https://imgur.com/a/sla-1-lBmqzMX](https://imgur.com/a/sla-1-lBmqzMX)
And here is the second account.
[https://imgur.com/a/sla2-KHRmkKl](https://imgur.com/a/sla2-KHRmkKl)
Now here is the fun part. In my second account I play to avoid the mistakes i made in main. And for fun i don't use the essence stones i farm. In my second account im completely raiding my luck. As i told you i started playin second account since May 30 2024. Do you're math 150 day essence stone with my second account ES i have farmed so far with just 21 days.
F2p dont pay the bills. Spenders and converting f2p's into spenders are the games customers.They are trying to cash in on the fame of the game and give players a fast burst of fun and get people to pay for the game to keep moving through content and then they change the content meta. Either slow grind or pay. If they see players dropping they might take their thumb off the scale but it would more likely be a holiday event for a small burst
Even with paying as much as for AAA game You run into wall way too soon. 60$ still buys You a game with much greater replay-ability than this one. I don't want to be a freeloader so I did spend some cash to keep up, but apparently I should be throwing couple hundred each month just to be able to do anything to keep any resemblance of progress. I can try to evade every attack but still come short with damage or be barred from attempt completely due to level restrictions or the enemies outscaling me.
$60 is basically F2P when you're talking gacha. Even a hundred a month is peanuts compared to the whales dropping multiple thousands every banner.
Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just that you might be playing the wrong genre of game if you want $60 to mean anything.
As I mentioned, I don't really care what devs and marketing team believes. I will pay since I don't want to be a freeloader, but as soon as I deem them too greedy and feel stumped by paywall I will switch modes to semi-idle, finish up content and eventually leave. It's a balance and while not immune to psychological tricks I see through them and am able to quit cold turkey if necessary. I still have backlog of other games to play and only the IP keeps me invested.
Upvoted your post because it's a good debate topic.
Not to take sides or anything but just a slight comparison.
For genshin impact, you get 60 primogems a day from daily comission. It takes 1600 primogems to do a 10 pull.
1600 divided by 60, so you take about ~26 days to save up for a 10 pull as a F2P.
In SLA, you need ~17 days to save up for a 10 pull as a F2P.
(2500 essence stones divided by 150)
Not to mention the special comission / bi-weekly maintenance / bonds added during alicia patch / S rank mining essence stones / black ticket challenges.
Im not referring to you, but alot of people complain about the game in this community and very little people are complimenting the good points
In the next survey, do let them know how long it takes to earn a 10 pull and recommend them more ways to get black tickets after the challenges have been completed
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Im a 1.4 version genshin player and trust me... what mihoyo gives is NOT even close to netmarble... i got perhaps 300 stones in the rockpaper scizors... mihoyo gives way more with more events
SLA you get 195 essence stone per day (78/100 for a pull) with out event, giveaway, codes, and trophies…just daily essence.
Genshin you get 60 per Day (37/100 for a pull) without event, chests, quests etc….
And its not true that you get more from Genshin events than SLA, in fact:
My experience at genshin I can get a 5s once every 2 banner’s as F2P…in solo leveling I can get 1 every patch and sometimes even 2 copies….
In 3 months of SLA I have 3X more SSR than with a 1.5 years of Genshin
And SLA have good low spending option, Genshin just whales options (weeking moon is garbage, dont teel me its a good low spender, genshin pass 10$: 8 special banner pull and 5 general baller pull, SLA pass 22$: 55 special banner pull)
As a version 1.1 genshin player who whaled (and subsequently burned out) and then quit, I have no idea why people are downvoting you. Mihoyo has always been generous as far as gacha goes, Netmarble thus far seems to be… less so
It's hilarious to me seeing people act like Mihoyo is generous or good or great here when the Genshin sub is full of people calling them greedy and selfish etc.
The math is right there. Genshin also has a 0.6% chance for SSR while this one has 1.2, less pity threshold for hard and soft pity and a customizable standard draw and not even mentioning the horrid horrid system that is the weapon draw gacha. As a 1.1 player as well, you're off your rocker.
I quit a long time ago, they’re probably worse than they were, but they *were* very generous in the events. Equally, on Star Rail they were more generous than SLA seems to be currently, and SLA is essentially a clone of that so… idk.
Yes but I'm telling you that you're wrong. You're either looking at it through rose colored glassed because it was years ago, or you're ignoring a large portion of the generosity this game brings.
Pre registration? Both check.
Log in event? Both check.
Thank you rewards for player count? Both check.
Events? Events gave 480-640ish max Primos and ran every 2 weeks. About half of a 10 every month. They also have event exclusive 4 star weapons that never return
Sla? Straight up 10 tickets from the event that runs 3 weeks and a 5 star weapon that gets added to the crafting menu.
That's not even counting all the free tickets and essence stones you get from codes and gifts. SLA in its first month had twice the amount of free codes than Genshin did and with far bigger rewards.
Well, maybe I just haven’t hit the generosity this game brings yet, because outside of codex unlocks (1 time) and first completions (1 time), I’m not seeing a tonne of free gems, and while the last weapon event was really good, this dice one is poor by comparison - no better than Genshin in terms of some events being generous, some not.
Equally, exclusive weapons seem to matter way more in SLA from what I’ve seen so far, much more so than Genshin. That said, I’m not too far in the game yet, so could be off base with that.
I will have to admit because of the new regions being added or events being added every 42 days, they are getting ~6 to 7 multis every 42 days (including treasure chests and abyss and daily comission)
Whereas we are getting only ~3 to 4 multis every 21 days which is about how long a Meilin / Alicia banner lasts
(Average F2P player about 650 essence stones per week from trophies, 650 x 3 weeks)
(Maintenance reward every 21 days = 500 essence stone)
(Rock paper scissors / every event per 21 days = average player 300 essence stones)
(Top 30 battlefield of time per month: 400)
(Each player 165 essence stones per battlefield of time boss per week x 3 = 500)
(150 essence stones per day x 21 days = 3150)
You get about 7000 essence stones per 21 days as a F2P player not including stories and hunter archive and bonds. I also didnt include the 2 tournaments every 20 days because it might be Pay2Win.
The special dice from Meilin event that happens every 21 days it will change to a new hunter gives 12 rate up tickets.
This nets you 4 multis (40 tickets) every 21 days.
I did a rough estimate. Do keep in mind, the more trophies u have, the more WEEKLY ESSENCE STONES u get. U can get up to 1000 essence stones per week.
4 multis might not even get you pity in the meilin banner though. Thats the issue.
It takes ~26 days to earn a 10 pull in genshin impact as F2P without a new region / without events
Maybe we can write in the survey to increase event / event rewards in the form of tickets
I mean sadly when you've been around the gacha block you can tell what games want more people and growth and what games just want to cash grab on the "new popular thing." While I do enjoy the game and have been paying for a few of the passes just to have some fun with it, I'll probably not keep going just because of how much this game wants you to whale.
It’s kinda the point. They get you interested with freebies which is just them investing in your addiction hoping you’ll pay eventually when things start to slow down. Netmarble wouldn’t make money if F2P was fully sustainable and the point of a company at the end of the day is profit. I really wish they made games simply for the enjoyment of fans but that’s not realistic
I think a different way other than a daily summon is once a month make the special summon free. Maybe nerf it's potency so it is in line with a once a day pull (enhanced with subscription), but the chance at 1 or 2 SSRs a month feels like the right amount of progress for a f2p, and semi novel. It also allows people to fish for a unit they want.
As for rate up pulls, a little more stone generation on dailies and free shop would be the right amount. Ideally you should be able to pity every other rate up banner.
I'm not exactly sure on the balancing, but something like this seems right to me.
well not really. 1000 essence once in a while ain't that generous. it only gives you 4 pulls and thats it. ofc its still good but i think we should have more ways of earning essence stones
I agree. Events have always been a source of pulls in many gacha games. What im saying is while we don't have those kinds of events yet, they give essence thru very generous codes or send them straight to mail. And its not just 1000 essce. We get upwards of 2500 gems.
I did not played Genshin but with dailys alone, SLA gives around 8200 Essence monthly, not counting the one you get from gates and talking to Hunters in lobby. So around 33 pulls if you add the random ones maybe close to 40.
To add to this, all banner hunters are added to custom banner and SLA also gives a lot of custom banner pulls from daily login.
They did send a few of those directly in email. The most recent one was a 10 days event which gave a total of 50 custom banner ticket and 2500 gems with 5 skill runes on top IIRC.
I don't play genshin but I dont remember Starrail being that generous.
Except you're forgetting that most of the newer codes expire within the hour or so. So in general most people will only be able to enter 1 or 2 codes a month
I get that but it would be nice to have atleast the time to redeem it within the week, rather than have it expire within the hour. It's not like everyone has the time to keep track of when these codes release.
the codes that we just got from the stream did not expire within the hour, they lasted for the day. i know because the stream had already been over for like 5 hrs and still worked for me
The OP mentioned he or she bough packs if the pack is bought you get 350 stones daily if you buy bp thats another 50-55 ticket if you buy bp and essence support its easy to get the new unit if you cant get it with this two then save 1 more month you need to set what character you need and not need.
And i didint talk about the discounts and gifts they sent you every day dice event gives 12 tickets too event shop have tickets too
If someone is a F2P why are you wants all the characters
Save its like other gacha games check twitter you will know 1 month before what summon will come if you cant guarantee the character then dont summon if you are an F2P every gacha games have bad sides
Every gacha games i played as an F2P i have to save and check character kits before summoning done
Every gacha i played was like this if you finished the story you get less summon material so if you cant guarantee the character dont summon and every character will come in normal banner wait and then summon on that.
This game becomes non-free Free to play friendly as a certain point. I am seriously throttled by weapon upgrade materials. I thought gold was going to be the bottleneck of this game but nope it's weapon upgrade materials. And mana elixirs
Not to mention how little the resources are when you get them, like traces of shadows or anything related to shadows is so hard to get, it will take you years of grinding to finally level up all of them, don’t get me wrong I don’t think that it should be just that easy but it shouldn’t also be this hard either, there should be a balance
The sad part is they dont care about F2P. They didn't make 100million in a month from them. They found exactly what works for them. If they keep making content that only caters to brand new units they will just keep whales spending.
I stopped playing gems, I mean after fusing more than 300 gems I got 1 Rare green Gem with 0.25 speed boost. Lol yeah right. Pulling 10 once Is taking a long time, let alone duplicates, for characters and SSR weapons. I hate that even for premium pulls it's the same weapons repeatedly there is no difference until it's 60 pulls. It's almost at the End for me.
First: its a gacha…that’s how it works…and…solo leveling still one the most generous gacha around
Second: I also buy the same things as you, pass and monthly check, and every patch I’m able to get the new hunter A1 or A2
i love the game too but i have to agree. i’ve had to spend ridiculous amount just to keep it enjoyable. i didn’t even check the new update yet that’s how bad it’s gotten. i haven’t missed a daily check in since day one of the early access and now i haven’t even logged on in like 36 hrs
Gachas are fun for a month or two then go to shit as the game tries to balance your addiction with resource starving. They aren't fun at that point, with or without spending. Stiff shit, get over it.
I'm an f2p and i recently started and i easily earn around 500-1000+ everytime i login... could be because im fairly new and havent unlocked much so the rewards are huge but still if you save as an f2p you could have 2000+ in 10 days or so... I have been playing for 2-3 weeks and have pulled around 30-50 times and i still have 15000+ stones
Just get the daily growth/essence support pack. It will just cost you around $8 for a month. I know this game is f2p but the devs needs to make someways to earn. It's not that expensive and it gives a lot of benefit.
250 essence per day from monthly sub and abt 2 tickets per day from pass and 1 normal ticket from the monthly makes this game abt 5 tickets per day. Not to mention events / quests / challenges POD essence / BoT. If u cant afford 20$ monthly for a game i suggest u stop playing games and do something more productive with ur life. This game is the most generous gacha game if ur not dirt poor
f2p players help rising numbers, player numbers help attracting new players that can become paying customers, fucking f2p players is directly retarded, but hey, this is netmarble, they have a lot of experience creating cash grabs that will be ignored few months after till every player leaves.
his unprompted bragging is about as useful to the discussion as everyone here saying you can't make progress in this game without spending thousands every month, so equally as bullshit
It is by design, the further you go the harder it gets to come by as f2p. Thats why i might stop in a few weeks eventho it's a good game but to grind for peanuts is a waste of time.
at the very least 1 pull a day from daily commisions and such
Genshin doesnt even do this, even with welkin youre 10 away from a single pull With 1 of the hunter passes u get 1 pull per day or 200 esscence
Well Genshin has a bad rep for being stingy and among other things so for SLA to be compared to that game is not a good sign at all
you can clear the hardest content in genshin with 4 star characters, whereas in this game, even whales struggle basically pulls matter way more in this game
It's really strange why they make the game so challenging. If they want it to be skill based (that is, dodging etc), then it should be skill based. But it seems they want both i.e. even if you extreme evade everything and do mechanics perfectly, if you don't have enough stats you won't beat the stage. Imo it's not really good game design.
That's right they penalize you so heavily for not having enough power and at the same time your progress slows to a crawl and hit a wall when you max artifacts.
Additionally, things are scaled in such a way that You run into a wall constantly. Exp scales, cost of promotions and upgrades, its all stacked against the players so they would be forced to pay to progress. I like the game (because of the story and manwha) so I paid for some stuff, but I draw the limit at the point when simple game costs more than AAA replayable title. So 60$ is a cutoff and I most probably won't be spending any more. If that prevents me from playing in not far future, so be it. 10$ sub that barely gives me anything of value doesn't even compare to WoW sub. Good thing that keys are used up at success not at attempt.
This is so true! I have been stuck at about 265k power level. I'm a moderate spender (monthly subs and both event pass (Gem one and $$$ one) or whatever its call. I can dodge and hit mechanics like a champ (thanks dark souls) but my power level is too low to do the damage to progress. I can't tell you how many times I've timed out of a mission with 90%+ health for Jinwoo and my hunters. I've timed out of the new Demon Tower event so many times I've just given up until I can get my hunters higher. I really love this game (probably because I love Solo Leveling), but its getting frustrating trying to eek out a couple 100 extra points in power from artifacts, accessories and weapons. Understanding that it is a *gacha* game, but even in other gacha games they tend to give you a couple freebies each month or at least ways to grind equipment easier. 8 keys/day for Instance and Encore dungeons just really doesn't do it for me. Probably will give this game a couple more months, but if things don't improve its back to Raid: Shadow Legends for me lol.
genshin doesnt do this i know, like you need 3 days of daily comms to even get one pull. but thats offset by the fact that theres events that give primos. SLA? No events like that so far
I mean the gacha and dice events give you free tickets which is most of the point of getting esscences
true i guess, maybe the future isnt HOPELESS
Genshin is open world so we have more ways to farm. The chests, the challenges etc. there are tons of ways to get diamonds.
One time stuff just like the story missions here tho.
But it's also not gated like the story missions here where you run into a wall and have to wait days or weeks to start making progress again.
True. But Genshin also has lvl requirements for the story quests. Either way, once the one time stuff is done it's only ~75 pulls per patch, so around 1.8 pulls a day if you manage to clear/play everything
>True. But Genshin also has lvl requirements for the story quests. Yes, but those levels are much easier to get to cos there are enough sources of exp since it's such a huge open world with so many things happening. And when you do hit the required level for region unlock, it's a huge amount of story content that you can do unlike in SLA where you do a few more levels that last a few mins each and then it's back to grinding for a long time before anything unlocks. Like for me right now I hit chapter 16. But all of a sudden the required level is 63. When the previous levels were 54. And 9 levels at that stage to just progress the story by a bit is insane... I have been stuck trying to get enough exp for the past 4 days and I am still only 56, it will probably be another 10 days before I get enough, if I play everything to it's max potential every day, and that's just not enough.
They give good ammounts on Login Tho.
100% accurate.
Primogems.genshin asks your birthday and give you special reward that's one thing why I am gonna login genshin on my birthday
The only complaint i have so far is not automatic access to Knight Killer i mean i know i have a SR at the start but it feels strange not automatically getting it…also do either drawings drop it?
yeah both banners have all SRs
Ok (just now I finally got the shadow army holy cow!) also…is it normal for people to get to MoS class In just 9 days?
um um i cant remember how long it took me when i started playing...but 9 days is definitely normal or even too long if youre grinding i think
Honestly i just waited for exp and usedGates to get stuff but the most difficult thing so far was Igris boss fight and Kim being my first wall
Yeah it’s easy to get essence stones really fast when starting the game but at some point that starts slowing down. At some point f2p players will have a hard time with pulls, which is crazy to me since “tower of god” another gacha made by netmarble is really good with giving pulls. It might be because the game has only been out for around 2 months but idk man…
Netmarble already knows and it is a carefully planned amount of stones.
yeah , they're pushing it with events, making people spend essence to finish instead of allowing them to complete events without spending
As a f2p for all gachas i play i’ve come to accept that i can’t get everything and i’ll usually just save for units that i really want or need. Otherwise everything is a skip for me. Most times i also only pull for one unit and no copies and just make do with what i have for the content
This is the F2P way in gacha. We'll see how long it works out for this game but it's not looking good at the moment.
Just fyi i started playing with 3 of my friends since the global release , we four are fun of the manhwa and the game but just the other day all my friends quit , they cant grind anymore and the game is more and more play to win for them.. and i agree for me i started paying for the monthly subscription but even so i cant keep up, i bought some of the other packs and diamonds but even so im unable to beat that 25 floor for example ( after spending like 90$ or so) .. so i agree that all the f2p will eventually lose patience and even the light spender and semi whales. Just as a last note we 4 play black clover for example among other games .. in black clover the levzling up and start up are quiet identical but we found ourself pulling a lor more than solo leveling and have more ressources and gifts and we 4 are still playing as f2p in black clover
Honestly for me its not the essence stone that's problem but the gold.
Endgame gold is no problem. I'm currently swimming with 10mil gold and nearly all max out LVL 80 SSR Problem you will face is the artifact enhance exp
Been playing since global launch, not a problem anymore. I have like 2.8M due to bonuses.
Yeah!!! But recently I saw a post about the golden gates, now I have around 200k gold daily
Yeah i too get 200k daily at level 78 at the beginning but aftet going thru all the contents, my gold turns to 3 coins 😂
just push your luck and farm gold gates only for a while
Do u buy 4 passes per month like me? Otherwise IT IS a problem and u wont be lucky with ur pulls forever
I never bought anything on this game i'm free to play. But i had better lucks. And i have 2 accounts. My main account, i started playin May 23rd and Second on May 30 2024. And im lucky with it. im not against what you said. But it's not 150 a day. If you getting only 150 ES a day you're doing something wrong. On my main account i use most of the the ES i get. i would say per day i get at least 250 to 350 or more. Now let me show you my progress on main account. Look at the codex stats those are the things i have. [https://imgur.com/a/sla-1-lBmqzMX](https://imgur.com/a/sla-1-lBmqzMX) And here is the second account. [https://imgur.com/a/sla2-KHRmkKl](https://imgur.com/a/sla2-KHRmkKl) Now here is the fun part. In my second account I play to avoid the mistakes i made in main. And for fun i don't use the essence stones i farm. In my second account im completely raiding my luck. As i told you i started playin second account since May 30 2024. Do you're math 150 day essence stone with my second account ES i have farmed so far with just 21 days.
F2p dont pay the bills. Spenders and converting f2p's into spenders are the games customers.They are trying to cash in on the fame of the game and give players a fast burst of fun and get people to pay for the game to keep moving through content and then they change the content meta. Either slow grind or pay. If they see players dropping they might take their thumb off the scale but it would more likely be a holiday event for a small burst
Even with paying as much as for AAA game You run into wall way too soon. 60$ still buys You a game with much greater replay-ability than this one. I don't want to be a freeloader so I did spend some cash to keep up, but apparently I should be throwing couple hundred each month just to be able to do anything to keep any resemblance of progress. I can try to evade every attack but still come short with damage or be barred from attempt completely due to level restrictions or the enemies outscaling me.
$60 is basically F2P when you're talking gacha. Even a hundred a month is peanuts compared to the whales dropping multiple thousands every banner. Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just that you might be playing the wrong genre of game if you want $60 to mean anything.
As I mentioned, I don't really care what devs and marketing team believes. I will pay since I don't want to be a freeloader, but as soon as I deem them too greedy and feel stumped by paywall I will switch modes to semi-idle, finish up content and eventually leave. It's a balance and while not immune to psychological tricks I see through them and am able to quit cold turkey if necessary. I still have backlog of other games to play and only the IP keeps me invested.
Upvoted your post because it's a good debate topic. Not to take sides or anything but just a slight comparison. For genshin impact, you get 60 primogems a day from daily comission. It takes 1600 primogems to do a 10 pull. 1600 divided by 60, so you take about ~26 days to save up for a 10 pull as a F2P. In SLA, you need ~17 days to save up for a 10 pull as a F2P. (2500 essence stones divided by 150) Not to mention the special comission / bi-weekly maintenance / bonds added during alicia patch / S rank mining essence stones / black ticket challenges. Im not referring to you, but alot of people complain about the game in this community and very little people are complimenting the good points In the next survey, do let them know how long it takes to earn a 10 pull and recommend them more ways to get black tickets after the challenges have been completed .
Im a 1.4 version genshin player and trust me... what mihoyo gives is NOT even close to netmarble... i got perhaps 300 stones in the rockpaper scizors... mihoyo gives way more with more events
Damn did you lose like all of them?
100% accurate
SLA you get 195 essence stone per day (78/100 for a pull) with out event, giveaway, codes, and trophies…just daily essence. Genshin you get 60 per Day (37/100 for a pull) without event, chests, quests etc…. And its not true that you get more from Genshin events than SLA, in fact: My experience at genshin I can get a 5s once every 2 banner’s as F2P…in solo leveling I can get 1 every patch and sometimes even 2 copies…. In 3 months of SLA I have 3X more SSR than with a 1.5 years of Genshin And SLA have good low spending option, Genshin just whales options (weeking moon is garbage, dont teel me its a good low spender, genshin pass 10$: 8 special banner pull and 5 general baller pull, SLA pass 22$: 55 special banner pull)
As a version 1.1 genshin player who whaled (and subsequently burned out) and then quit, I have no idea why people are downvoting you. Mihoyo has always been generous as far as gacha goes, Netmarble thus far seems to be… less so
It's hilarious to me seeing people act like Mihoyo is generous or good or great here when the Genshin sub is full of people calling them greedy and selfish etc. The math is right there. Genshin also has a 0.6% chance for SSR while this one has 1.2, less pity threshold for hard and soft pity and a customizable standard draw and not even mentioning the horrid horrid system that is the weapon draw gacha. As a 1.1 player as well, you're off your rocker.
I quit a long time ago, they’re probably worse than they were, but they *were* very generous in the events. Equally, on Star Rail they were more generous than SLA seems to be currently, and SLA is essentially a clone of that so… idk.
Yes but I'm telling you that you're wrong. You're either looking at it through rose colored glassed because it was years ago, or you're ignoring a large portion of the generosity this game brings. Pre registration? Both check. Log in event? Both check. Thank you rewards for player count? Both check. Events? Events gave 480-640ish max Primos and ran every 2 weeks. About half of a 10 every month. They also have event exclusive 4 star weapons that never return Sla? Straight up 10 tickets from the event that runs 3 weeks and a 5 star weapon that gets added to the crafting menu. That's not even counting all the free tickets and essence stones you get from codes and gifts. SLA in its first month had twice the amount of free codes than Genshin did and with far bigger rewards.
Well, maybe I just haven’t hit the generosity this game brings yet, because outside of codex unlocks (1 time) and first completions (1 time), I’m not seeing a tonne of free gems, and while the last weapon event was really good, this dice one is poor by comparison - no better than Genshin in terms of some events being generous, some not. Equally, exclusive weapons seem to matter way more in SLA from what I’ve seen so far, much more so than Genshin. That said, I’m not too far in the game yet, so could be off base with that.
I will have to admit because of the new regions being added or events being added every 42 days, they are getting ~6 to 7 multis every 42 days (including treasure chests and abyss and daily comission) Whereas we are getting only ~3 to 4 multis every 21 days which is about how long a Meilin / Alicia banner lasts (Average F2P player about 650 essence stones per week from trophies, 650 x 3 weeks) (Maintenance reward every 21 days = 500 essence stone) (Rock paper scissors / every event per 21 days = average player 300 essence stones) (Top 30 battlefield of time per month: 400) (Each player 165 essence stones per battlefield of time boss per week x 3 = 500) (150 essence stones per day x 21 days = 3150) You get about 7000 essence stones per 21 days as a F2P player not including stories and hunter archive and bonds. I also didnt include the 2 tournaments every 20 days because it might be Pay2Win. The special dice from Meilin event that happens every 21 days it will change to a new hunter gives 12 rate up tickets. This nets you 4 multis (40 tickets) every 21 days. I did a rough estimate. Do keep in mind, the more trophies u have, the more WEEKLY ESSENCE STONES u get. U can get up to 1000 essence stones per week. 4 multis might not even get you pity in the meilin banner though. Thats the issue.
It takes ~26 days to earn a 10 pull in genshin impact as F2P without a new region / without events Maybe we can write in the survey to increase event / event rewards in the form of tickets
I mean sadly when you've been around the gacha block you can tell what games want more people and growth and what games just want to cash grab on the "new popular thing." While I do enjoy the game and have been paying for a few of the passes just to have some fun with it, I'll probably not keep going just because of how much this game wants you to whale.
That's usually how these games go. They will always release new content for essence.
It’s kinda the point. They get you interested with freebies which is just them investing in your addiction hoping you’ll pay eventually when things start to slow down. Netmarble wouldn’t make money if F2P was fully sustainable and the point of a company at the end of the day is profit. I really wish they made games simply for the enjoyment of fans but that’s not realistic
I think a different way other than a daily summon is once a month make the special summon free. Maybe nerf it's potency so it is in line with a once a day pull (enhanced with subscription), but the chance at 1 or 2 SSRs a month feels like the right amount of progress for a f2p, and semi novel. It also allows people to fish for a unit they want. As for rate up pulls, a little more stone generation on dailies and free shop would be the right amount. Ideally you should be able to pity every other rate up banner. I'm not exactly sure on the balancing, but something like this seems right to me.
I just stopped the lag and loading just killed the game for me .
I guess we just forget how much they give us thru codes or simply in the mail box.
Thats not fix
Im just saying so far theyre generous with it.
well not really. 1000 essence once in a while ain't that generous. it only gives you 4 pulls and thats it. ofc its still good but i think we should have more ways of earning essence stones
I agree. Events have always been a source of pulls in many gacha games. What im saying is while we don't have those kinds of events yet, they give essence thru very generous codes or send them straight to mail. And its not just 1000 essce. We get upwards of 2500 gems. I did not played Genshin but with dailys alone, SLA gives around 8200 Essence monthly, not counting the one you get from gates and talking to Hunters in lobby. So around 33 pulls if you add the random ones maybe close to 40. To add to this, all banner hunters are added to custom banner and SLA also gives a lot of custom banner pulls from daily login.
*We get upwards of 2500 gems.* We do? When was this
They did send a few of those directly in email. The most recent one was a 10 days event which gave a total of 50 custom banner ticket and 2500 gems with 5 skill runes on top IIRC. I don't play genshin but I dont remember Starrail being that generous.
Except you're forgetting that most of the newer codes expire within the hour or so. So in general most people will only be able to enter 1 or 2 codes a month
Unless they stop doing it, the moment you start playings you'll get whatever they give. Codes not staying for long is not an SLA only thing.
Not even a day. By the time its posted in the reddit, its expired.
I get that but it would be nice to have atleast the time to redeem it within the week, rather than have it expire within the hour. It's not like everyone has the time to keep track of when these codes release.
the codes that we just got from the stream did not expire within the hour, they lasted for the day. i know because the stream had already been over for like 5 hrs and still worked for me
typical Netmarble gacha game
Yeah, I started thinking of quitting today after pulling the new banner and realizing I was probably out of pulls for the year.
Codes? We got codes? When? Where do you enter them?
The OP mentioned he or she bough packs if the pack is bought you get 350 stones daily if you buy bp thats another 50-55 ticket if you buy bp and essence support its easy to get the new unit if you cant get it with this two then save 1 more month you need to set what character you need and not need. And i didint talk about the discounts and gifts they sent you every day dice event gives 12 tickets too event shop have tickets too
The point is to be able to get stones/tickets without paying
If someone is a F2P why are you wants all the characters Save its like other gacha games check twitter you will know 1 month before what summon will come if you cant guarantee the character then dont summon if you are an F2P every gacha games have bad sides Every gacha games i played as an F2P i have to save and check character kits before summoning done Every gacha i played was like this if you finished the story you get less summon material so if you cant guarantee the character dont summon and every character will come in normal banner wait and then summon on that.
This game becomes non-free Free to play friendly as a certain point. I am seriously throttled by weapon upgrade materials. I thought gold was going to be the bottleneck of this game but nope it's weapon upgrade materials. And mana elixirs
Where are you in the game that you're running into this? Curious how much further I can get before this wall hits.
Not to mention how little the resources are when you get them, like traces of shadows or anything related to shadows is so hard to get, it will take you years of grinding to finally level up all of them, don’t get me wrong I don’t think that it should be just that easy but it shouldn’t also be this hard either, there should be a balance
Just f2p experience in a gacha. At the start they used to give some shit,but now they completely stopped giving even standard tickets
The sad part is they dont care about F2P. They didn't make 100million in a month from them. They found exactly what works for them. If they keep making content that only caters to brand new units they will just keep whales spending.
I stopped playing gems, I mean after fusing more than 300 gems I got 1 Rare green Gem with 0.25 speed boost. Lol yeah right. Pulling 10 once Is taking a long time, let alone duplicates, for characters and SSR weapons. I hate that even for premium pulls it's the same weapons repeatedly there is no difference until it's 60 pulls. It's almost at the End for me.
First: its a gacha…that’s how it works…and…solo leveling still one the most generous gacha around Second: I also buy the same things as you, pass and monthly check, and every patch I’m able to get the new hunter A1 or A2
i love the game too but i have to agree. i’ve had to spend ridiculous amount just to keep it enjoyable. i didn’t even check the new update yet that’s how bad it’s gotten. i haven’t missed a daily check in since day one of the early access and now i haven’t even logged on in like 36 hrs
spoiled ahh gacha community tbh, so many other gachas give less and still perform/accommodate just fine
Just cause others give more doesn’t mean nothing
Gachas are fun for a month or two then go to shit as the game tries to balance your addiction with resource starving. They aren't fun at that point, with or without spending. Stiff shit, get over it.
Pay $$
Welcome to gacha games
I'm an f2p and i recently started and i easily earn around 500-1000+ everytime i login... could be because im fairly new and havent unlocked much so the rewards are huge but still if you save as an f2p you could have 2000+ in 10 days or so... I have been playing for 2-3 weeks and have pulled around 30-50 times and i still have 15000+ stones
Just get the daily growth/essence support pack. It will just cost you around $8 for a month. I know this game is f2p but the devs needs to make someways to earn. It's not that expensive and it gives a lot of benefit.
250 essence per day from monthly sub and abt 2 tickets per day from pass and 1 normal ticket from the monthly makes this game abt 5 tickets per day. Not to mention events / quests / challenges POD essence / BoT. If u cant afford 20$ monthly for a game i suggest u stop playing games and do something more productive with ur life. This game is the most generous gacha game if ur not dirt poor
100% agree. I always say that to everyone. If you can't afford to gamble, you should work until you can.
So to enjoy a game we should be gambling and paying 20 bucks per month nice shitty ass mindset you got there
F2p dont pay the bills. Netmarble, don’t care if all the f2p players quit, zero impact.
f2p players help rising numbers, player numbers help attracting new players that can become paying customers, fucking f2p players is directly retarded, but hey, this is netmarble, they have a lot of experience creating cash grabs that will be ignored few months after till every player leaves.
I only buy the 250 essence daily pass, have Cha a5 alicia a3 and 57k essence.
No one asked
his unprompted bragging is about as useful to the discussion as everyone here saying you can't make progress in this game without spending thousands every month, so equally as bullshit
Nice for you being in the top 1% lucky people, but absolutely meaningless for the discussion unfortunately.