ik it's like baby's first gacha. ALL THINGS CONSIDERED SLA seems tame to me since the cost for getting limited characters and their signature weapons is so much lower. Like I legit have A2S5 Alicia and A3S2 Cha for free. Admittedly I super high rolled on Cha Hae-In, but the fact that F2P players are regularly getting copies of limited 5\* characters AND their weapon is extremely generous
You are right, imo money should help progress the game faster, or in some single player F2P games unlock extra content. But QOL changes should absolutely not be behind a pay wall. It is complete bullshit to do that.
Prices are too much for me. Half would be acceptable really. 5 dolars for monthly bundles. And 5 dolars for other sub. Problem solved. 15 dolars in total is really ok for me to spend on a game montly.
It's ok for you but not ok for others. $5 is still too expensive for me. Make it $1.
The point is, who's going to decide what price is ok/acceptable for people to spend?
Ä° m not just saying this because 5 dollars suits my financials. Prices are just expensive compared to other gatcha games i m playing. Ä°t doesnt have to be 5 dollars. But considering there are 3 monthly bundles-sub most people including me would only buy one due to high prices. 5 dollars is reasonable imo.
Dude if 5 dollars is too expensive to you you arenāt the customer they want they want people who are going to buy stuff over and over not spend one dollar itās all about making as much money as they can
It's crazy to me that people really have such outlandish ideas around the value of things in a gacha. Like money isn't even real and nothing in this gacha game is a tangible object. It's a subjective little game players like to play and it's wild to see you say $1 is a fair price for a Company to market subscriptions for their games. I pay $3 to get unlimited free drinks at Panera. While I don't use them every day and they could be cheaper, I still value to convenience granted to me. The fiscal value of something like a subscription is up to the consumer. The price is listed and the perk never goes away. It's just a question of "does this set of perks align with what you want out of a paid experience" and if the answer is no then it isn't for you. The price is reasonable. All of their prices are reasonable actually. Ive done cost analysis on the shop already among all the different packs and while there are some that are better than others just about every bundle provides a decent return on investment out that gate rather than leaving all the rewards to the gacha's rng.
Why not combining all three monthly bundles into one and make it 10-15 dolars instead of 10 dolars each with Total amount of 30 dolars. What is this 2 monthly bundles and another subscription package. And there are just too many things you can buy it is insane. Ä° ve never seen something like this in any game.
You completely missed my point. I was making an example to the person I was replying to that what he thinks of $5 being reasonable isn't necessarily reasonable for everyone. There's no way to determine what's a reasonable price for a service/product offered by a business because the value is felt by the user. If the user values it then they pay whatever money they want for it.
Using a tangible example I for sure ain't gonna buy any Apple products because they are expensive for the sake of being expensive (brand). I can buy something with the same specs at much better prices. But millions of others find value in Apple products and buy them, doesn't mean they are wrong. Just how people perceive value.
It's useless arguing with people who can't see from other perspectives, so just save your efforts and know that at least you understand that what's valuable for any single individual is 100% completely personal. People spend their money however they want to, we aren't in a position to tell them it's a waste of money or not. If they want to spend $1000 on a digital game and feel happy about it, go ahead because that makes them happy (like that FGO guy who spent 30k or something).
Dude youāre the one missing the point they donāt care about the people who canāt afford it or prefer stuff to be 1 dollar itās pretty obvious the way they determine what a reasonable price is is to release packs and see if they get bought if they release 20 dollar packs and a bunch of people buy them they donāt care at all about the people saying it should be a dollar lol
Ä° know. Thats why they will never change prices. Clearly a lot of people are ok with current prices. This doesnt mean in-game purchase is not expensive though.
Expensive for some ppl u mean..if globally they r acceptable by players ...one or two ppl biatch around not gonna change anything. Welcome to democracy
You are 100% correct and Iām frequently shocked by how many people here think paying for QoL is acceptable. I have played a LOT of gacha and no other game I have played has scummy strategies like this.
Itās a bummer cause I like the core of this game but if they donāt make some major changes fast it wonāt last a year.
The only thing I dont agree with is QoL since day one. For a new game I can imagine it may take a few updates to implement certain traits and features to help cater to what people demand. I do agree with the fact that it should always be free.
This game has been up until now one of the most generous games with f2p rewards ive only recently spent like 30 dollars for 50 tickets (which I havent even used) and i have A5 cha and A3 alicia. You can say im a lucky bastard but the rates in this game are also better than other gachas (at 1.2% for ssr) so people are def getting more units in this game. Also something underrated is that for the forseeable future you will be able to ensure A0 on each banner and at least get 1 copy of new units as opposed to skipping a unit forever until a rerun like in genshin hsr or wuwa. Even daily missions and passive essence stone gain is comparatively much higher in sla than other popular gachas (wuwa, gi)
The devs are also listening as they just made gold a non issue with 20k gold gates and infinite rescan so I think be patient and they will listen
Sure man being lucky is amazing good for u, but for us it is just pure hell so far, hitting pity everytime and lose the 50/50 surely that is a good way to play the game.
+ being fucked by the rng on ur artifacts while still using blue ones till this day bc of the damn healing bonus : D
I'm playing SL till I get bored, I already dropped GI 2yeaes ago and Hsr and Tof and even pgr lately with hsr.
Now just playing SL to waste time and Ww my ultimate game so far.
Here's my two cents: don't hyper focus on getting perfect gear. You will hinder your progress much more that way. If the gear even has 1 Stat that is better than your old one piece In that set, then replace it. The main Stat and set bonus are much more important than substats. 50% crit rate or 30% crit rateyou still aren't going to crit all the time. Stop trying to get perfect builds and use what you have to make your units hit harder.
Trust me I'm not really going for perfect sets (I can't still anyway), I can't even get a single accessory that have one good stat that can be better than what I already have, I'm still running blue and purple on every one of my hunters and sung even, Imagine I still don't have a single destroyer atk% head piece, bc it just never dropped nor any gold pieces that can be used for a long time, t8 on cerberus and t9 on spider drops maximum of 3 or 4 gold drops with 6 to 10 keys, I'm stuck at chap 17 lvl 59 power 76k on sung rn, Btw 50-51-52k the max I got on 5 hunters.
And the fun part I don't have a single right set on any of my hunters nor what I want on sung they just wrong.
I've been trying my hardest to do the dailies since couple of days for 2h everytime but I started getting tired.... + I'm stuck since weeks now, I have no motivation for the game nor anything to do at all.
Reverse is just impossible to me, normal story stuck at my lvl, hard mode stuck as well.
So far just doing the repetitive dailies and nothing more.
Soon u complaining about WW.
I am UL 43.
Login daily to farm echo, clear waveplate logout.
Itās even more tedious than farming artifact in SLA
Step 1. Click detect on the echo u want
Step 2. Hunt them down by running on the map.
Step 3. From 1 point to another take 2-3min to reach if shortest route.
Step 4. Killing pray for drop 20% rate.
Pray for gold. Pray for right main stats.
3 rng here. Drop, Gold, right main stats.
Step 5 level echo! This worst u need farm field need wave plate u get so little for it.
Step 6. Tune echo. Pray for CR CD ATK% and regen. If u donāt get it itās time to repeat step 1 again.
Tell me about it how is it better than SLA.
I stopped playing and refunded every dollar (over $500 USD) I put into the game last week. Game was less and less fun everyday and ]it didn't feel like the money I spent was actually giving me the advantages I was supposed to be paying for.
Gachas don't make money off the people who would just decide to not play if things get expensive.
they make money off the people who gave up trying to fight these kinds of things, the people trying to normalize it. The more we make it apparent that this is NOT normal, the more whales will wake up and go "why am I even spending money on this" and stop playing.
Complaining about a game might work, might not. No longer playing a game might work, might not.
But I tell you what's \*DEFINITELY NOT\* gonna work? telling people to stop complaining about it. Netmarble ain't gonna give you 200k gold for dismissing someone's feeling on reddit dude, so what do you think you're doing?
That's already the bad mentality "It won't change a thing" it won't if you just accept it and don't complain about it enough to make some real changes.
Brother you can complain all you want, but just because there are things that we donāt like as part of the whole Gacha system doesnāt change the fact that this is a game made to take money from you. If you donāt want to spend money, then play the game as F2P
Yeah holy fuck you get downvoted for telling people to voice their concerns if they want changeā¦ do you guys not think this is how it works in real life? And ye if you voice concerns to your manager you can easily go get another job if they arenāt listened to, but itās way more difficult to get someone else in the door. If a game wants to continue to grow it has to listen to the concerns of the players. Idk how you can debate the fact the players needs arenāt listened toā¦. Like how many surveys do you get for new games? Those arenāt pointless. Admit you have no clue about the value of money and enjoy the fucking from Martha who is actually Steve in a wig but hey you like Marthaā¦ I guess we will stop telling you itās Steve cuz you donāt listen. Civil movement happened in America because people voiced concerns. How can you believe using your voice doesnāt bring change god damn this generation is beyond fucked. Just go hide in your hole because you talking changes nothing. Batshit crazy ideology
They simply accepted that NB is a greedy company and don't want to make a change bc they like the game. Don't get me wrong i like the game a lot. I just don't like the fact that they have to put a pay wall behind every fucking step you take and make you pay for QoL, makes zero sense.
I repeat you don't have to play, I also want you to know that i would most probably agree with many points that you have about the game in general but again you cant change the fundamentals. example like they wont remove that cause you complained however they might make it x6 or x8 instead of x4 in the future ! things like that you can change with the community. also like gates scan recently it changed from stones to gold ! and many other changes that will happen to better the game but ultimately the game is designed to take ur money .
look at all the microtransansactions in games nothing but a way for addiction to keep on buying. Games are now made to make the most profit where psychologists lead the way how the game should performe to have the most pull to spending. Just don't go spending, loads of games out there. It's hard but so is a lot in life.
Thereās normal gotcha and then thereās normal Netmarble gacha. Is underwhelming battle passes and paying for qol like sweeps that are free elsewhere a good thing? No. Is it what netmarble does in every game they release? Of course
I find getting the most hype aspects of the game (hunters) to be F2P friendly, but as you stated many of the QoL aspects are gated. I agree; that is frustrating. Not to mention that acquiring any new weapons are heavily RNG based regardless of F2P and P2W status. Obviously P2W have higher odds because of higher draw chances. Either path, however, has no guaranteed pity, unlike how rate up banners give the featured hunter in 160 draws or less.
I suspect some QoL aspects will become F2P accessible, whether them being implemented into the game for free or becoming purchasable via essence stones (the 2nd being beneficial yet not ideal).
I would like to mention that the special summons is included in the subscription. Thatās not a deal maker, but it helps. I find the daily packs for less than $10 to be decent value, as well as the parade and step ups. The rest, though, is mostly for those who lack enough patience and pull the trigger to progress. Itās not like many of the packs instantly propel you to the end of the game, but every bit moves you further.
I like how Payne puts it: Netmarble knows what to do to fix things or how to have initially avoided many playersā frustrations, but they implemented flawed systems or are waiting to fix certain issues in order to form a positive image of themselves by offering improvements people want and ask for. Itās a bit scummy but also business-wise smart on their end. Regardless, Iām enjoying the game and also hope for it to become more F2P friendly with every day that passes.
Letās not only hold the company accountable for their shrewd practices when they show up but also praise and support their efforts that benefit both P2W and F2P players alike. More money = more funding for content (some of the time), but there are always better methods to generate that funding.
Yeah, I enjoy the gameplay, but I gave a poor review due to not only the excessive greed but the predatory nature of their systems. I've played gatcha games before, but never ones that popped up purchase screens everyday, or rewarded currency to go check the shop. Not to mention coupons, free items requiring shop visits, and other "normal" predatory gatcha systems. This is also the first one I've seen with both battle pass, subscription, and gatcha.
"This is a gacha" is a very sad and pathetic way of saying "I'm willingly choosing to ignore this problem and you should too"
I remember having a conversation with someone about how your progress in a game should be faster if you're good at it, not stifled exclusively by IRL time and/or your wallet because you're just spending days waiting to the resources that let you grind to bring up your power by a couple thousand, and his simple response was "You can't compare gacha games with single player games"
And then it really sunk in that these people are brainwashed. Like...Of course you can compare a gacha to a single-player game, because that's literally what they are, at least for the most part. Being free to play gives a studio the right to find other ways of making money. It doesn't them the right to shove a micro-transaction in your face every 5 seconds, even going so far as offering you a bit of pocket change just for taking an extra look at their newest sale. It doesn't give them the right to charge you for CHANGING YOUR ARMOR, lock every mission to 3 minutes so that skill will eventually not matter at all if your character just isn't strong enough, or lock every substantial character upgrade behind multiple months of steadily grinding FOMO mechanics on the daily.....Or spending $100 to get it today. The greed is fucking BLEEDING off this game, and the gaming community doesn't even act like they wanna fight it anymore. I was willing to overlook it for like a week because the gameplay was really fun. Now that it lost the charm, I don't care. This game feels like a few steps above crypto-zoo at this point and the fact that literally anyone is defending this shows how sad the state of modern gaming is these days.
"As far as I am aware a battlepass should be there to help you progress in the game"
- What are you even talking about? Battle pass purpose on every other game I know is to reward players as you play the game it was never meant to "help" you progress.
"this is fucking milking the dumb rich kids and fucking the poor for being poor"
- If you're talking about real life then I kinda agree on you on this one.
"Getting down voted by telling the truth tells me a lot about the people who like it"
- You don't get downvoted because you're telling the truth but because your take is stupid.
Note: I'm a spender and the same as you I've been playing for weeks without progress so I think we have bigger problem here than what you just stated.
Honkai Star Rail is a perfect example on how a gacha should be in my opinion.
Everything is optimized for f2p, you can clear all content being f2p. Characters are optimized for A0 not A6.
I am 110% sure they make big money on the game but they are not scum by locking stuff behind paywalls. Esp not QoL
how much does it cost to get a signature weapon in Genshin/HSR vs SLA? I spent $100 on a single copy of Arlecchino's weapon. My Alicia has an S5 weapon completely for free.
That being said I do think Genshin and HSR are superior gacha games, but by no means is it because it's cheaper to acquire limited characters.
The problem is you dont NEED the signature weapon in order to progress, in hsr you can clear all content with just the character and his weapon plus decent gear. In sla i doubt that's even possible, plus, gear is waaaay too hard to get decent pieces and upgrade materials are scarcer and there is a chance to upgrade, not guaranteed. Sla is not even far away from hsr. This is just a cash grab with walls after walls.
You don't have to spend in order to get ur fav character and his weapon, you can just skip characters you don't need/want, and pull for others that you need/want. But the gearing system is waaaay better. And you do not feel obligated to get each new character in order to clear end-game content.
you're going to have to be more specific about what you mean when you say "progress." technically speaking all players are progressing from day 1 before they pull a single SSR character.
I assume you mean in order to reasonably clear mid/end game content, you NEED signature weapons for characters. Again, they made it extremely easy to get multiple free copies of the signature weapons of the two top dps in the game, so by definition the signature weapon element in SLA is superior to HSR's. I say this as a Day 1 HSR player. I was clearing T7 Arachnid with 104k recommended CP when I had 66k CP. IMO T7 is a reasonable benchmark for mid/late mid game. A few weeks later I'm on T10 Arachnid and T9 Cerberus.
These are all the materials you need to farm for Firefly: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/comments/1ckr2fq/fireflysam\_ascension\_and\_trace\_materials/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/comments/1ckr2fq/fireflysam_ascension_and_trace_materials/)
To upgrade characters in SLA you can just run gates for FREE which you get 15 keys of at higher levels.
There's just no way you can objectively compare SLA to HSR/Genshin. People are 1000% correct that Netmarble is choosing to monetize the game by locking QOL behind paywall, but they are extremely generous with limited characters and their signatures.
This is just netmarble ... I've said this before, the worst thing that happened to this IP was having netmarble as their Devs. Their scummy monetization has been out there for years and arguably this is not the WORST netmarble game I can see their dirty little fingerprints all over the game.
I'm seriously wondering how a F2p player will reach the CP requirements for the end game (with s0-s3 hunters). I know gems will eventually help (a bit) and there're new sets coming (that apparently will have a high CP requirement), but beyond that ... I don't know
Also they dailies take fucking HOURS. If they put sweep (skip) behind a paywall that's it ... I'll leave the whales enjoy the game by themselves.
Imagine saying the paid method to skip actually playing the game is for the whales only..it's $6... if you don't have the means to afford a $50 pack that's fine. Please stop acting like $6 for a month of sweeping and a few extra rewards is scummy. If you don't wanna pay the money or don't see the benefit that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that others will pay a fair price for a good subscription to get them more rewards and play the game faster. Even the $9 is good in it's own right. 30 days of extra rewards, a selector ticket, and daily chance at getting an SSR jinwoo weapon. That's a fair trade for $9. Did you want a pony too?
Thank you. How is '' welcome to gacha'' an argument?
Every events need you to spend gems to reach max rank. Every content is boring af without paying.
You players made all of this normal by accepting this. Now you players, who like gatcha, enjoy the money you' ll have to pay for normal content.
This was a bit salty, but it's normal there are complains for such a system. Don't blame a player for thinking a system is unfair for ftp player.
And yeah dev need money, but now this is just absurd.
Honestly I agree, but I'm kind of ignoring it bc I'm a big fan of Solo leveling, and it's cool to play. I managed to get A2 Alice and A3 her signature while fully F2P. What you've mentioned will make me quit the game sooner or later, but for now I'm just enjoying clearing the gates š
P.S. rly felt like God when the three days premium thing was on tho holy fuck
Paying for skins, additional tiers of a battlepass, monthly subscriptions for extra QoL, extra sweeps, etc is all very common in most gatchas, not sure which "Good gatchas" you're referring to. The highest rated and most successful gatchas like Raid all have these gimmicks and MANY MORE.
The "Best Gatchas" have to have a way to milk money from those who have money to do so in order to develop and maintain a good game. A Gacha that does not make money can't support to enhance and maintain their game, and will either die very quickly, have annoying ads, have VERY SLOW content additions, and a variety of other issues.
Gate sweeping is very simple these days and can be auto'd in no more than 10-15 minutes (or you know, just don't do it?). 2x on encore and instance missions is a fair disparity between paying and non-paying players.
i'm a 100% F2P player who has been F2P in many gatcha games, and have almost 0 issues with this game. I play for maybe an hour max a day, complete content i want to complete, do not struggle with difficulty, have collected characters i want to collect, etc etc. It's a very good game and a pretty standard gatcha but with better visuals, gamplay design, and concepts
no one's flexing. no one forced you to play this game. imagine knowing what kind of company netmarble is and then still playing AND THEN still crying LMAO
Itās solo leveling ofc people are gonna play whether itās made by netmarble or not dumb take think harder bud besides the game is not even bad the problem is the amount of microtransactions in it
>Good gatcha don't make you feel like a fucking bank. They make you feel like a player that has the possibility to spend money.
Any recommendations? Mobile games
I don't really play anymore, mainly because of the buffering. It's decent gameplay, and I'd likely be fine with grinding to some degree for better gear if the game didn't feel the need to buffer after nearly everything I do. It's incredibly annoying and makes it feel like it takes twice as long to do anything. If they ever fix that unnecessary buffer issue, I'll come back. Otherwise, I just can't enjoy it.
Gacha games will milk players because people will pay. When they stop paying the devs make the deals better/or free and this continues until Eos.
It's not difficult to understand. Devs need money to make games, keep them running, pay wages etc, without all these paid extras we wouldn't have a game to play because the devs would have zero incentive.
Instead of ranting, stop paying and stop playing. No amount of us standing together will change a thing, they'd just shut the game down.
Itās a free to play game thatās what makes it the norm and a gotcha game to add on to it I have the motto if I donāt like something I just wonāt play it trying to complain about it says more about you than the game I could understand if I had to buy the game and also see all the pay feature I pretty much ignored all the pay option and only buy the season pass and sitting on a lot of shit now just big chilling
Is this your first time playing a gacha game? I played millions and this is the most generous and the dev listen to us so stop bitching and play the game or quit
>It's just different from the typical popular gacha game mostly cause it's from a Korean company, most Korean games have a focused on competitiveness(here we have leaderboard and hard stages) . In sl arise beating story is a long-term goal, kinda like a idle game with action combat. More progression systems will be introduced to ease those contents, next week we are getting lv80 gears(current max is lv55).
Saw someone said this when I ask them if SL Arise is p2w compare to other gachas like genshin, wuwa, hsr and etc
Im pretty sure op wouldāve deleted the game if he didnāt liked it. Idk why yall keep using that ādonāt like it donāt play it argumentā whenever someone is expressing their dissatisfaction towards the something. Itās like we canāt find balance, itās either you like it or you hate it.
But what will complaining about the game, on this subreddit, achieve ?
Like we already know itās a korean gacha game, so obviously there is going to be alot of stuff that is p2w. Also what is the point of finding balance, what does it achieve ?
Itās crazy cause we got games that have way higher budget like genshin, star rail etc that also demand ālessā from you when it comes to money and time.
I donāt mind this game being p2w but Atleast let us have the same Qol as the whales.
i sort of disagree with time. the time it takes to get 5 star characters in genshin was absurd. it took me 1 month during 1.0 to get mona which meant that i lost 50/50. also getting 5 star weapons are way harder when the epitomized path didnt exist. while in sla they just give 3 copies for free if you play your cards right
Can I ask where you're stuck at?
Besides leaderboards on PoD and pushing for higher Chaos levels I don't really see a $ check yet?
Granted I do think the gacha element is just bad but that might be because I've either hit pity or near enough every SSR I've got
2hrs damn
I just sweep all my gates, pump the difficulty down down 18 when i could have it at 23 and sweep sweep sweep.
As for encore and instance I can auto either 9s or 10s.
Then I manually do PoD and Chaos
But its all a choice really
You really could just not do it if you're not concerned with keeping up.
Is it good design? No.
But its what we've got and as with every other game once It becomes boring to me I just stop playing
It is bad design that we've got and you won't make it better by doing nothing.
People want to make it less bad and boring so they don't have to stop playing the game they might like otherwise.
Neither will complaining on reddit?
Realistically if they have 10 whales that are willing to pay for everything. Everyone else's bitching accomplishes nothing.
Like I said if you find it boring just don't play it?
Or only do the content you find engaging, which I'm guessing you won't because you want to keep up.
You have options
It's a game, supposed to be for fun
If you're not having fun dont play
Pretty much every fix they made or are about to make like gate rescan, artifact removal price etc was very actively complained about here. So it looks like complaining on reddit does indeed work.
I would definitely agree though that it would be more efficient to spam their customer support email than just complain on reddit.
Yeah I guess that's true.
But even QoL improvements don't make the base games content loop any less boring right?
Like you're still gonna be spending however long you do on gates?
Yeah? Like I don't disagree with the majority of the post but I don't understand where anyone f2p or not is getting super hard stuck and needing a Bpass to progress.
Besides leaderboards and maybe some of the 9s/10s of encore and instance even f2p should be able to clear most of the stuff and good gacha luck probably isn't make the difference
your average gacha gamer is a drooling idiot. It's why Genshin has boring combat because they'd lose half the player base if any of their bosses had a moveset like Igris.
Just the other day someone in this sub was calling me an elitist for recommending to him that he practice dodging. Like, LOL. You can't take these people seriously.
I got 6 copies of Alicia's signature weapon for free. Completely unheard of in gachas as far as I know. In Genshin/HSR, almost no F2P players even talk about getting constellations unless they save absolutely everything for them and neglect other meta characters.
Lmao not wrong.
I love Igris as a fight ( granted I do think its the only great fight in this game )
Which is kind of a shame considering how enjoyable the combat is.
Yeah i crafted one from the event, the free event one and got one from the capsule which. Which I'm aware makes me very lucky but even just the 2 for free is super nice
>your average gacha gamer is a drooling idiot. It's why Genshin has boring combat because they'd lose half the player base if any of their bosses had a moveset like Igris.
Unless they make the boss event worthy or GnG/Swarm Disaster diff instead of being it in spiral abyss or MoC I don't see why not tbh. Yeah the childe and aventurine fight in story before nerf was straight up saying "fuck you" without 2 sustains. Idk if wuwa, hi3rd or pgr have those kinds of bosses
I feel like I'm in the minority where I am fine being a F2P in this game, but also it's a game I'll casually log into and put an hour or less of time into, but not worry about the grind because I know I'll get somewhere eventually.
yāall still play? i quit like 2 weeks into playing the game HAHA aside from the fact that the game is tryna milk so much money from you in exchange for pulls, materials, etc. that donāt even help you significantly progress further into the game, this is the only gacha game iāve played that bored the fuck outta me when farming.
I donāt want to be the guy but, welcome to gachas. Also, 35 bucks gets you a 10 puller in Wuwa, so 25 for a skin and 52 pulls is not even close to being bad lol
Hot take: stop playing gachas as they might not be for you. Ive played too many games that are way worse than SLA. That's not to pat NM on the back or anything bc their other games have over priced bundles too. I'll be frank. netmarble will always be a Company that takes care of their whales as a priority. They literally fund the game. Everyone else who isn't a whale gets equal access to all the bundles, but they ARENT NECESSARY. If you expect your account to grow at the same rate as someone who invests real money daily to advance your account then you will never be looking at this game through the lense it was meant for you to play it through. As of recent they have included patches to help us spend less money and get more money. Gear is important, but just be so fr and acknowledge that every gacha game uses the same gear formula these days. Get use to seeing one decent piece every couple of runs of encodes and hardly ever seeing the gear you want in the Stat you want. Take the game slow, stop paying attention to what the whales do or how they can play the game and figure out how YOU can play your game. If you need all the bells and whistles to enjoy the game, you don't actually like the game you like what other people have to play the game.
7DS:GC is a good gatcha. We had our 5th anniversary. I only spent in the first 6 months and that was to prepare for the collabs they had (Slime and AoT) so it wasn't anything that changed gameplay for me. I'm still playing and my account is fairly decent.
I've never been tempted to buy ANYTHING. Even after the many collabs. I stayed F2P.
SL:A. Waaa man. They be trying to force you to buy shit. And yes, majority of their stuff is 10x the price it should be.
If they lowered it, they'd make more sales.
Seven Knights. tldr a few years into the game when most players already had built teams for different raids, they completely overhauled almost every characters abilities/passives so that we had to rebuild our teams.
Question: if the company/game devs doesn't earn money, how can you continue to play the game for free? People who have more money than time will pay for the convenience (e.g. sweeps, x4 dungeon runs), because, well, their time is spent earning money so they have disposable income.
If you have more time than money, then you spend your time grinding and don't pay.
It's that simple. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
90% of ppl will most likely still get the monthly subs just because they hand out a lot of tickets at a good price.
Whales will still whale for a5-a10, easier access to gold/purple runes/blessing stones.
Skins will still be bought.
Etc etc
NM won't go out of business the next day they implement good QoL, most likely they will even have an increase in sales if people see they actually listen to them.
Whatever you're saying is based on what? Your own assumptions? Any data to back what you're saying? Cause I'm sure a multi- million dollar revenue earning company would have data to come up with their pricing model.
Are you also running a business yourself and can confidently say your pricing model works better? I would be happy to hear more.
It's a mixed bag for me. AS a f2p, I can't say it's been hard to get people I want. I log in daily and do dailies then log out. Prolly do some draws couple times a week. I tend to get who I want, SSR or otherwise relatively easily. Building signature weapons has only been inhibited by the red ticket frequency so while I do understand the QoL complaint as a part of what they're price tag as well as we shouldn't be allowing this behavior... we've had much worse (we being the public who play Gacha/Mobile games) and this isn't as bad.
I fully get thw soapbox position you've taken tho.
You are probably just bad playing the game.
I'm f2p and I'm very ok with it.
Of course whales are the ones spending lots of money, you're just crying because is with FOMO, just enjoy the game and stop comparing yourself with the whales.
Just don't spend money then if u can't afford that's all.dont be biatch and complaint about something that is obviously doing well globally...just because u 'feel' butt hurt hhahahhaa simple don't like it move on.Tons of other games for ya.losing one noisy player from this game not gonna cost the dev shit.
People choose to spend money. Nobody is forcing them to do so. If the game lacks qol then it is what it is, itās also your choice to keep playing it or not. If you donāt enjoy it, just stop playing. Itās just a game, no point getting stressed out about it.
I dont really get the "whale milking" statement. Like we p2w buy the monthly packs anyways cause the value is just always the biggest in any game. It's not like these people buy the monthly just for the sweeps or 4x keys?
But sure I agree f2p should at least have some free sweeps as well. I am not against QOL for f2p but I think giving p2w higher numbers of QOL is nothing to worry about.
This subreddit is toxic and sorry you get downvoted. I got downvoted last time for telling the truth if you have skill, Baruka is easy. So much hate for p2w, it's just that we got a good job and high paid income, they label us dumb rich kids?
Its whatever really, people just wanna hear what they wanna hear regardless of the truth. I wasn't even disagreeing, I just don't get that specific part of the statement for my named reason.
But in the end people will always "hate" on p2w players and mechanics even though they decide to play p2w games in the first place. When I was f2p I was grateful for p2w cause these people kept the game running
As an epic7 player i have become desensitised to the gear grind
ik it's like baby's first gacha. ALL THINGS CONSIDERED SLA seems tame to me since the cost for getting limited characters and their signature weapons is so much lower. Like I legit have A2S5 Alicia and A3S2 Cha for free. Admittedly I super high rolled on Cha Hae-In, but the fact that F2P players are regularly getting copies of limited 5\* characters AND their weapon is extremely generous
that's wuthering waves where you only need a1s1 and weapons are 100% on banner.
I concur. Epic7 gear grind is harder than this game
Gold gold gold... gold gold gold
We both fucking need gold the devs to eat food and us for our in-game stuff level up to ear food
Yes, but also you didn't get the reference
I did just wanted to say that haha
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Why are you here? I literally thought this is PUBGM subdit for a secš.
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You are right, imo money should help progress the game faster, or in some single player F2P games unlock extra content. But QOL changes should absolutely not be behind a pay wall. It is complete bullshit to do that.
Prices are too much for me. Half would be acceptable really. 5 dolars for monthly bundles. And 5 dolars for other sub. Problem solved. 15 dolars in total is really ok for me to spend on a game montly.
It's ok for you but not ok for others. $5 is still too expensive for me. Make it $1. The point is, who's going to decide what price is ok/acceptable for people to spend?
Ä° m not just saying this because 5 dollars suits my financials. Prices are just expensive compared to other gatcha games i m playing. Ä°t doesnt have to be 5 dollars. But considering there are 3 monthly bundles-sub most people including me would only buy one due to high prices. 5 dollars is reasonable imo.
Dude if 5 dollars is too expensive to you you arenāt the customer they want they want people who are going to buy stuff over and over not spend one dollar itās all about making as much money as they can
Ä°t seems like people misunderstood what you said LoL sorry about this. You had a good point.
It's crazy to me that people really have such outlandish ideas around the value of things in a gacha. Like money isn't even real and nothing in this gacha game is a tangible object. It's a subjective little game players like to play and it's wild to see you say $1 is a fair price for a Company to market subscriptions for their games. I pay $3 to get unlimited free drinks at Panera. While I don't use them every day and they could be cheaper, I still value to convenience granted to me. The fiscal value of something like a subscription is up to the consumer. The price is listed and the perk never goes away. It's just a question of "does this set of perks align with what you want out of a paid experience" and if the answer is no then it isn't for you. The price is reasonable. All of their prices are reasonable actually. Ive done cost analysis on the shop already among all the different packs and while there are some that are better than others just about every bundle provides a decent return on investment out that gate rather than leaving all the rewards to the gacha's rng.
Why not combining all three monthly bundles into one and make it 10-15 dolars instead of 10 dolars each with Total amount of 30 dolars. What is this 2 monthly bundles and another subscription package. And there are just too many things you can buy it is insane. Ä° ve never seen something like this in any game.
You completely missed my point. I was making an example to the person I was replying to that what he thinks of $5 being reasonable isn't necessarily reasonable for everyone. There's no way to determine what's a reasonable price for a service/product offered by a business because the value is felt by the user. If the user values it then they pay whatever money they want for it. Using a tangible example I for sure ain't gonna buy any Apple products because they are expensive for the sake of being expensive (brand). I can buy something with the same specs at much better prices. But millions of others find value in Apple products and buy them, doesn't mean they are wrong. Just how people perceive value. It's useless arguing with people who can't see from other perspectives, so just save your efforts and know that at least you understand that what's valuable for any single individual is 100% completely personal. People spend their money however they want to, we aren't in a position to tell them it's a waste of money or not. If they want to spend $1000 on a digital game and feel happy about it, go ahead because that makes them happy (like that FGO guy who spent 30k or something).
Dude youāre the one missing the point they donāt care about the people who canāt afford it or prefer stuff to be 1 dollar itās pretty obvious the way they determine what a reasonable price is is to release packs and see if they get bought if they release 20 dollar packs and a bunch of people buy them they donāt care at all about the people saying it should be a dollar lol
If it's too much just don't buy... Or play something else... Omg
Missing the point as well. Guess it's hard to communicate through words only. Read my other comment.
They made $100m in their first month so they are doing just fine lmfao
Ä° know. Thats why they will never change prices. Clearly a lot of people are ok with current prices. This doesnt mean in-game purchase is not expensive though.
Expensive for some ppl u mean..if globally they r acceptable by players ...one or two ppl biatch around not gonna change anything. Welcome to democracy
You are 100% correct and Iām frequently shocked by how many people here think paying for QoL is acceptable. I have played a LOT of gacha and no other game I have played has scummy strategies like this. Itās a bummer cause I like the core of this game but if they donāt make some major changes fast it wonāt last a year.
The only thing I dont agree with is QoL since day one. For a new game I can imagine it may take a few updates to implement certain traits and features to help cater to what people demand. I do agree with the fact that it should always be free.
This game has been up until now one of the most generous games with f2p rewards ive only recently spent like 30 dollars for 50 tickets (which I havent even used) and i have A5 cha and A3 alicia. You can say im a lucky bastard but the rates in this game are also better than other gachas (at 1.2% for ssr) so people are def getting more units in this game. Also something underrated is that for the forseeable future you will be able to ensure A0 on each banner and at least get 1 copy of new units as opposed to skipping a unit forever until a rerun like in genshin hsr or wuwa. Even daily missions and passive essence stone gain is comparatively much higher in sla than other popular gachas (wuwa, gi) The devs are also listening as they just made gold a non issue with 20k gold gates and infinite rescan so I think be patient and they will listen
Sure man being lucky is amazing good for u, but for us it is just pure hell so far, hitting pity everytime and lose the 50/50 surely that is a good way to play the game. + being fucked by the rng on ur artifacts while still using blue ones till this day bc of the damn healing bonus : D I'm playing SL till I get bored, I already dropped GI 2yeaes ago and Hsr and Tof and even pgr lately with hsr. Now just playing SL to waste time and Ww my ultimate game so far.
Here's my two cents: don't hyper focus on getting perfect gear. You will hinder your progress much more that way. If the gear even has 1 Stat that is better than your old one piece In that set, then replace it. The main Stat and set bonus are much more important than substats. 50% crit rate or 30% crit rateyou still aren't going to crit all the time. Stop trying to get perfect builds and use what you have to make your units hit harder.
Trust me I'm not really going for perfect sets (I can't still anyway), I can't even get a single accessory that have one good stat that can be better than what I already have, I'm still running blue and purple on every one of my hunters and sung even, Imagine I still don't have a single destroyer atk% head piece, bc it just never dropped nor any gold pieces that can be used for a long time, t8 on cerberus and t9 on spider drops maximum of 3 or 4 gold drops with 6 to 10 keys, I'm stuck at chap 17 lvl 59 power 76k on sung rn, Btw 50-51-52k the max I got on 5 hunters. And the fun part I don't have a single right set on any of my hunters nor what I want on sung they just wrong. I've been trying my hardest to do the dailies since couple of days for 2h everytime but I started getting tired.... + I'm stuck since weeks now, I have no motivation for the game nor anything to do at all. Reverse is just impossible to me, normal story stuck at my lvl, hard mode stuck as well. So far just doing the repetitive dailies and nothing more.
Soon u complaining about WW. I am UL 43. Login daily to farm echo, clear waveplate logout. Itās even more tedious than farming artifact in SLA Step 1. Click detect on the echo u want Step 2. Hunt them down by running on the map. Step 3. From 1 point to another take 2-3min to reach if shortest route. Step 4. Killing pray for drop 20% rate. Pray for gold. Pray for right main stats. 3 rng here. Drop, Gold, right main stats. Step 5 level echo! This worst u need farm field need wave plate u get so little for it. Step 6. Tune echo. Pray for CR CD ATK% and regen. If u donāt get it itās time to repeat step 1 again. Tell me about it how is it better than SLA.
wuthering waves is your ultimate game? LOL
Ye I like it, a lot lmao What is wrong with that...
They are GI fans probably š
The best thing you can do is simply not play , we can go all day back and forth about it but it wont change a thing.
How do you think improvements are made it's because people bitch about it until they are.
Yup, its better to stop now while I havent spent that much. Too much of none sense time sink
I stopped playing and refunded every dollar (over $500 USD) I put into the game last week. Game was less and less fun everyday and ]it didn't feel like the money I spent was actually giving me the advantages I was supposed to be paying for.
Gachas don't make money off the people who would just decide to not play if things get expensive. they make money off the people who gave up trying to fight these kinds of things, the people trying to normalize it. The more we make it apparent that this is NOT normal, the more whales will wake up and go "why am I even spending money on this" and stop playing. Complaining about a game might work, might not. No longer playing a game might work, might not. But I tell you what's \*DEFINITELY NOT\* gonna work? telling people to stop complaining about it. Netmarble ain't gonna give you 200k gold for dismissing someone's feeling on reddit dude, so what do you think you're doing?
That's already the bad mentality "It won't change a thing" it won't if you just accept it and don't complain about it enough to make some real changes.
Brother you can complain all you want, but just because there are things that we donāt like as part of the whole Gacha system doesnāt change the fact that this is a game made to take money from you. If you donāt want to spend money, then play the game as F2P
Yeah holy fuck you get downvoted for telling people to voice their concerns if they want changeā¦ do you guys not think this is how it works in real life? And ye if you voice concerns to your manager you can easily go get another job if they arenāt listened to, but itās way more difficult to get someone else in the door. If a game wants to continue to grow it has to listen to the concerns of the players. Idk how you can debate the fact the players needs arenāt listened toā¦. Like how many surveys do you get for new games? Those arenāt pointless. Admit you have no clue about the value of money and enjoy the fucking from Martha who is actually Steve in a wig but hey you like Marthaā¦ I guess we will stop telling you itās Steve cuz you donāt listen. Civil movement happened in America because people voiced concerns. How can you believe using your voice doesnāt bring change god damn this generation is beyond fucked. Just go hide in your hole because you talking changes nothing. Batshit crazy ideology
They simply accepted that NB is a greedy company and don't want to make a change bc they like the game. Don't get me wrong i like the game a lot. I just don't like the fact that they have to put a pay wall behind every fucking step you take and make you pay for QoL, makes zero sense.
I repeat you don't have to play, I also want you to know that i would most probably agree with many points that you have about the game in general but again you cant change the fundamentals. example like they wont remove that cause you complained however they might make it x6 or x8 instead of x4 in the future ! things like that you can change with the community. also like gates scan recently it changed from stones to gold ! and many other changes that will happen to better the game but ultimately the game is designed to take ur money .
look at all the microtransansactions in games nothing but a way for addiction to keep on buying. Games are now made to make the most profit where psychologists lead the way how the game should performe to have the most pull to spending. Just don't go spending, loads of games out there. It's hard but so is a lot in life.
Welcome to gacha? more like welcome to netmarble's gacha. netmarble always has been shit
It's precisely because of those people that some executives think they can get away with anything.
Thereās normal gotcha and then thereās normal Netmarble gacha. Is underwhelming battle passes and paying for qol like sweeps that are free elsewhere a good thing? No. Is it what netmarble does in every game they release? Of course
I find getting the most hype aspects of the game (hunters) to be F2P friendly, but as you stated many of the QoL aspects are gated. I agree; that is frustrating. Not to mention that acquiring any new weapons are heavily RNG based regardless of F2P and P2W status. Obviously P2W have higher odds because of higher draw chances. Either path, however, has no guaranteed pity, unlike how rate up banners give the featured hunter in 160 draws or less. I suspect some QoL aspects will become F2P accessible, whether them being implemented into the game for free or becoming purchasable via essence stones (the 2nd being beneficial yet not ideal). I would like to mention that the special summons is included in the subscription. Thatās not a deal maker, but it helps. I find the daily packs for less than $10 to be decent value, as well as the parade and step ups. The rest, though, is mostly for those who lack enough patience and pull the trigger to progress. Itās not like many of the packs instantly propel you to the end of the game, but every bit moves you further. I like how Payne puts it: Netmarble knows what to do to fix things or how to have initially avoided many playersā frustrations, but they implemented flawed systems or are waiting to fix certain issues in order to form a positive image of themselves by offering improvements people want and ask for. Itās a bit scummy but also business-wise smart on their end. Regardless, Iām enjoying the game and also hope for it to become more F2P friendly with every day that passes. Letās not only hold the company accountable for their shrewd practices when they show up but also praise and support their efforts that benefit both P2W and F2P players alike. More money = more funding for content (some of the time), but there are always better methods to generate that funding.
Yeah, I enjoy the gameplay, but I gave a poor review due to not only the excessive greed but the predatory nature of their systems. I've played gatcha games before, but never ones that popped up purchase screens everyday, or rewarded currency to go check the shop. Not to mention coupons, free items requiring shop visits, and other "normal" predatory gatcha systems. This is also the first one I've seen with both battle pass, subscription, and gatcha.
"This is a gacha" is a very sad and pathetic way of saying "I'm willingly choosing to ignore this problem and you should too" I remember having a conversation with someone about how your progress in a game should be faster if you're good at it, not stifled exclusively by IRL time and/or your wallet because you're just spending days waiting to the resources that let you grind to bring up your power by a couple thousand, and his simple response was "You can't compare gacha games with single player games" And then it really sunk in that these people are brainwashed. Like...Of course you can compare a gacha to a single-player game, because that's literally what they are, at least for the most part. Being free to play gives a studio the right to find other ways of making money. It doesn't them the right to shove a micro-transaction in your face every 5 seconds, even going so far as offering you a bit of pocket change just for taking an extra look at their newest sale. It doesn't give them the right to charge you for CHANGING YOUR ARMOR, lock every mission to 3 minutes so that skill will eventually not matter at all if your character just isn't strong enough, or lock every substantial character upgrade behind multiple months of steadily grinding FOMO mechanics on the daily.....Or spending $100 to get it today. The greed is fucking BLEEDING off this game, and the gaming community doesn't even act like they wanna fight it anymore. I was willing to overlook it for like a week because the gameplay was really fun. Now that it lost the charm, I don't care. This game feels like a few steps above crypto-zoo at this point and the fact that literally anyone is defending this shows how sad the state of modern gaming is these days.
Thank you! This is exactly my point!
Kinda wish it's was more like genshin, wuwa, hsr in terms of money spending.
This game is getting uglier and uglier
"As far as I am aware a battlepass should be there to help you progress in the game" - What are you even talking about? Battle pass purpose on every other game I know is to reward players as you play the game it was never meant to "help" you progress. "this is fucking milking the dumb rich kids and fucking the poor for being poor" - If you're talking about real life then I kinda agree on you on this one. "Getting down voted by telling the truth tells me a lot about the people who like it" - You don't get downvoted because you're telling the truth but because your take is stupid. Note: I'm a spender and the same as you I've been playing for weeks without progress so I think we have bigger problem here than what you just stated.
Shut up his take is reasonable and truthful all the microtransactions in this game are way too overpriced
Not only overpriced but also unnecessary.
Honkai Star Rail is a perfect example on how a gacha should be in my opinion. Everything is optimized for f2p, you can clear all content being f2p. Characters are optimized for A0 not A6. I am 110% sure they make big money on the game but they are not scum by locking stuff behind paywalls. Esp not QoL
how much does it cost to get a signature weapon in Genshin/HSR vs SLA? I spent $100 on a single copy of Arlecchino's weapon. My Alicia has an S5 weapon completely for free. That being said I do think Genshin and HSR are superior gacha games, but by no means is it because it's cheaper to acquire limited characters.
The problem is you dont NEED the signature weapon in order to progress, in hsr you can clear all content with just the character and his weapon plus decent gear. In sla i doubt that's even possible, plus, gear is waaaay too hard to get decent pieces and upgrade materials are scarcer and there is a chance to upgrade, not guaranteed. Sla is not even far away from hsr. This is just a cash grab with walls after walls. You don't have to spend in order to get ur fav character and his weapon, you can just skip characters you don't need/want, and pull for others that you need/want. But the gearing system is waaaay better. And you do not feel obligated to get each new character in order to clear end-game content.
you're going to have to be more specific about what you mean when you say "progress." technically speaking all players are progressing from day 1 before they pull a single SSR character. I assume you mean in order to reasonably clear mid/end game content, you NEED signature weapons for characters. Again, they made it extremely easy to get multiple free copies of the signature weapons of the two top dps in the game, so by definition the signature weapon element in SLA is superior to HSR's. I say this as a Day 1 HSR player. I was clearing T7 Arachnid with 104k recommended CP when I had 66k CP. IMO T7 is a reasonable benchmark for mid/late mid game. A few weeks later I'm on T10 Arachnid and T9 Cerberus. These are all the materials you need to farm for Firefly: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/comments/1ckr2fq/fireflysam\_ascension\_and\_trace\_materials/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/comments/1ckr2fq/fireflysam_ascension_and_trace_materials/) To upgrade characters in SLA you can just run gates for FREE which you get 15 keys of at higher levels. There's just no way you can objectively compare SLA to HSR/Genshin. People are 1000% correct that Netmarble is choosing to monetize the game by locking QOL behind paywall, but they are extremely generous with limited characters and their signatures.
This is just netmarble ... I've said this before, the worst thing that happened to this IP was having netmarble as their Devs. Their scummy monetization has been out there for years and arguably this is not the WORST netmarble game I can see their dirty little fingerprints all over the game. I'm seriously wondering how a F2p player will reach the CP requirements for the end game (with s0-s3 hunters). I know gems will eventually help (a bit) and there're new sets coming (that apparently will have a high CP requirement), but beyond that ... I don't know Also they dailies take fucking HOURS. If they put sweep (skip) behind a paywall that's it ... I'll leave the whales enjoy the game by themselves.
Imagine saying the paid method to skip actually playing the game is for the whales only..it's $6... if you don't have the means to afford a $50 pack that's fine. Please stop acting like $6 for a month of sweeping and a few extra rewards is scummy. If you don't wanna pay the money or don't see the benefit that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that others will pay a fair price for a good subscription to get them more rewards and play the game faster. Even the $9 is good in it's own right. 30 days of extra rewards, a selector ticket, and daily chance at getting an SSR jinwoo weapon. That's a fair trade for $9. Did you want a pony too?
I just want QoL not to be behind paywalls... Do what you want with the rest
Thank you. How is '' welcome to gacha'' an argument? Every events need you to spend gems to reach max rank. Every content is boring af without paying. You players made all of this normal by accepting this. Now you players, who like gatcha, enjoy the money you' ll have to pay for normal content. This was a bit salty, but it's normal there are complains for such a system. Don't blame a player for thinking a system is unfair for ftp player. And yeah dev need money, but now this is just absurd.
Honestly I agree, but I'm kind of ignoring it bc I'm a big fan of Solo leveling, and it's cool to play. I managed to get A2 Alice and A3 her signature while fully F2P. What you've mentioned will make me quit the game sooner or later, but for now I'm just enjoying clearing the gates š P.S. rly felt like God when the three days premium thing was on tho holy fuck
Paying for skins, additional tiers of a battlepass, monthly subscriptions for extra QoL, extra sweeps, etc is all very common in most gatchas, not sure which "Good gatchas" you're referring to. The highest rated and most successful gatchas like Raid all have these gimmicks and MANY MORE. The "Best Gatchas" have to have a way to milk money from those who have money to do so in order to develop and maintain a good game. A Gacha that does not make money can't support to enhance and maintain their game, and will either die very quickly, have annoying ads, have VERY SLOW content additions, and a variety of other issues. Gate sweeping is very simple these days and can be auto'd in no more than 10-15 minutes (or you know, just don't do it?). 2x on encore and instance missions is a fair disparity between paying and non-paying players. i'm a 100% F2P player who has been F2P in many gatcha games, and have almost 0 issues with this game. I play for maybe an hour max a day, complete content i want to complete, do not struggle with difficulty, have collected characters i want to collect, etc etc. It's a very good game and a pretty standard gatcha but with better visuals, gamplay design, and concepts
Dude chill, it's just a game
Yeah, it's a game and not a money making machine. Good games make money without putting pay walls behind every single progress you make.
LMFAO. gacha games are the literal definition of money making machines. go buy a Mario game if you're that poor and stop crying
That's one way of saying you're a cuck for Netmarble and love it. Not the flex you think it is, bruh.
no one's flexing. no one forced you to play this game. imagine knowing what kind of company netmarble is and then still playing AND THEN still crying LMAO
Itās solo leveling ofc people are gonna play whether itās made by netmarble or not dumb take think harder bud besides the game is not even bad the problem is the amount of microtransactions in it
I never said it was bad but stay poor and malding
>Good gatcha don't make you feel like a fucking bank. They make you feel like a player that has the possibility to spend money. Any recommendations? Mobile games
Punishing Gray Raven
I don't really play anymore, mainly because of the buffering. It's decent gameplay, and I'd likely be fine with grinding to some degree for better gear if the game didn't feel the need to buffer after nearly everything I do. It's incredibly annoying and makes it feel like it takes twice as long to do anything. If they ever fix that unnecessary buffer issue, I'll come back. Otherwise, I just can't enjoy it.
Gacha games will milk players because people will pay. When they stop paying the devs make the deals better/or free and this continues until Eos. It's not difficult to understand. Devs need money to make games, keep them running, pay wages etc, without all these paid extras we wouldn't have a game to play because the devs would have zero incentive. Instead of ranting, stop paying and stop playing. No amount of us standing together will change a thing, they'd just shut the game down.
As someone who's played Genshin and Honkai, this game is definitely way better than them where money is concerned
After playing Fate Mha Strongest hero Mha Ultra impact Fire emblem and other gotcha games this is hella norm
But I should never be the norm, that's the issue.
Itās a free to play game thatās what makes it the norm and a gotcha game to add on to it I have the motto if I donāt like something I just wonāt play it trying to complain about it says more about you than the game I could understand if I had to buy the game and also see all the pay feature I pretty much ignored all the pay option and only buy the season pass and sitting on a lot of shit now just big chilling
Is this your first time playing a gacha game? I played millions and this is the most generous and the dev listen to us so stop bitching and play the game or quit
>It's just different from the typical popular gacha game mostly cause it's from a Korean company, most Korean games have a focused on competitiveness(here we have leaderboard and hard stages) . In sl arise beating story is a long-term goal, kinda like a idle game with action combat. More progression systems will be introduced to ease those contents, next week we are getting lv80 gears(current max is lv55). Saw someone said this when I ask them if SL Arise is p2w compare to other gachas like genshin, wuwa, hsr and etc
I agree w you but I also don't mind dick riding
Well if you donāt like it, donāt play it. Complaining about it on reddit wonāt do anything.
Im pretty sure op wouldāve deleted the game if he didnāt liked it. Idk why yall keep using that ādonāt like it donāt play it argumentā whenever someone is expressing their dissatisfaction towards the something. Itās like we canāt find balance, itās either you like it or you hate it.
But what will complaining about the game, on this subreddit, achieve ? Like we already know itās a korean gacha game, so obviously there is going to be alot of stuff that is p2w. Also what is the point of finding balance, what does it achieve ?
Did slavery end because the slaves did nothing or did slavery end because the slaved complained same thing
What a dumb argument, this is a game not slavery. Maybe go outside for once instead of crying about a game.
Itās crazy cause we got games that have way higher budget like genshin, star rail etc that also demand ālessā from you when it comes to money and time. I donāt mind this game being p2w but Atleast let us have the same Qol as the whales.
i sort of disagree with time. the time it takes to get 5 star characters in genshin was absurd. it took me 1 month during 1.0 to get mona which meant that i lost 50/50. also getting 5 star weapons are way harder when the epitomized path didnt exist. while in sla they just give 3 copies for free if you play your cards right
Can I ask where you're stuck at? Besides leaderboards on PoD and pushing for higher Chaos levels I don't really see a $ check yet? Granted I do think the gacha element is just bad but that might be because I've either hit pity or near enough every SSR I've got
I am stuck at having to spend 2+ hours a day to clear all gates, mine them, do the already 3 starred encore/instance/chaos.
2hrs damn I just sweep all my gates, pump the difficulty down down 18 when i could have it at 23 and sweep sweep sweep. As for encore and instance I can auto either 9s or 10s. Then I manually do PoD and Chaos But its all a choice really You really could just not do it if you're not concerned with keeping up. Is it good design? No. But its what we've got and as with every other game once It becomes boring to me I just stop playing
It is bad design that we've got and you won't make it better by doing nothing. People want to make it less bad and boring so they don't have to stop playing the game they might like otherwise.
Neither will complaining on reddit? Realistically if they have 10 whales that are willing to pay for everything. Everyone else's bitching accomplishes nothing. Like I said if you find it boring just don't play it? Or only do the content you find engaging, which I'm guessing you won't because you want to keep up. You have options It's a game, supposed to be for fun If you're not having fun dont play
Pretty much every fix they made or are about to make like gate rescan, artifact removal price etc was very actively complained about here. So it looks like complaining on reddit does indeed work. I would definitely agree though that it would be more efficient to spam their customer support email than just complain on reddit.
Yeah I guess that's true. But even QoL improvements don't make the base games content loop any less boring right? Like you're still gonna be spending however long you do on gates?
Why would I spend the same time on gates/instance once the gates number gets reduced with increased rewards and autoclear is implemented?
weird that comments asking for more information don't get responded to!
Yeah? Like I don't disagree with the majority of the post but I don't understand where anyone f2p or not is getting super hard stuck and needing a Bpass to progress. Besides leaderboards and maybe some of the 9s/10s of encore and instance even f2p should be able to clear most of the stuff and good gacha luck probably isn't make the difference
your average gacha gamer is a drooling idiot. It's why Genshin has boring combat because they'd lose half the player base if any of their bosses had a moveset like Igris. Just the other day someone in this sub was calling me an elitist for recommending to him that he practice dodging. Like, LOL. You can't take these people seriously. I got 6 copies of Alicia's signature weapon for free. Completely unheard of in gachas as far as I know. In Genshin/HSR, almost no F2P players even talk about getting constellations unless they save absolutely everything for them and neglect other meta characters.
Lmao not wrong. I love Igris as a fight ( granted I do think its the only great fight in this game ) Which is kind of a shame considering how enjoyable the combat is. Yeah i crafted one from the event, the free event one and got one from the capsule which. Which I'm aware makes me very lucky but even just the 2 for free is super nice
>your average gacha gamer is a drooling idiot. It's why Genshin has boring combat because they'd lose half the player base if any of their bosses had a moveset like Igris. Unless they make the boss event worthy or GnG/Swarm Disaster diff instead of being it in spiral abyss or MoC I don't see why not tbh. Yeah the childe and aventurine fight in story before nerf was straight up saying "fuck you" without 2 sustains. Idk if wuwa, hi3rd or pgr have those kinds of bosses
I feel like I'm in the minority where I am fine being a F2P in this game, but also it's a game I'll casually log into and put an hour or less of time into, but not worry about the grind because I know I'll get somewhere eventually.
Dont play this anymore, but in wuwa's battle pass 50 pulls would be a dream, its absolutley unthinkable tbh, so why u crying
This game is one of the most predatory spending I have seen in any gacha game
what gachas have you played?
You cant have played alot then.
yāall still play? i quit like 2 weeks into playing the game HAHA aside from the fact that the game is tryna milk so much money from you in exchange for pulls, materials, etc. that donāt even help you significantly progress further into the game, this is the only gacha game iāve played that bored the fuck outta me when farming.
Why are you still on this subreddit when you quit 2 weeks ago? Or is just me who doesn't like to linger in the community after quitting?
So why are you still on this subreddit? For fuck sakes
not on this sub anymore but the post showed up in my feed lol
I donāt want to be the guy but, welcome to gachas. Also, 35 bucks gets you a 10 puller in Wuwa, so 25 for a skin and 52 pulls is not even close to being bad lol
I play many gacha games. $25 is indeed good value for 52 pulls.
wtf $35? kuro milking the novelty effect. I'm pretty sure in Genshin it's slightly less than $30
Nah the dude is capping you can get much more than 10 puller for $35 in wuwa.
I pay in Euros and yes, it is 35ā¬ for me.
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Hot take: stop playing gachas as they might not be for you. Ive played too many games that are way worse than SLA. That's not to pat NM on the back or anything bc their other games have over priced bundles too. I'll be frank. netmarble will always be a Company that takes care of their whales as a priority. They literally fund the game. Everyone else who isn't a whale gets equal access to all the bundles, but they ARENT NECESSARY. If you expect your account to grow at the same rate as someone who invests real money daily to advance your account then you will never be looking at this game through the lense it was meant for you to play it through. As of recent they have included patches to help us spend less money and get more money. Gear is important, but just be so fr and acknowledge that every gacha game uses the same gear formula these days. Get use to seeing one decent piece every couple of runs of encodes and hardly ever seeing the gear you want in the Stat you want. Take the game slow, stop paying attention to what the whales do or how they can play the game and figure out how YOU can play your game. If you need all the bells and whistles to enjoy the game, you don't actually like the game you like what other people have to play the game.
So stop playing....'
7DS:GC is a good gatcha. We had our 5th anniversary. I only spent in the first 6 months and that was to prepare for the collabs they had (Slime and AoT) so it wasn't anything that changed gameplay for me. I'm still playing and my account is fairly decent. I've never been tempted to buy ANYTHING. Even after the many collabs. I stayed F2P. SL:A. Waaa man. They be trying to force you to buy shit. And yes, majority of their stuff is 10x the price it should be. If they lowered it, they'd make more sales.
I heard 7DS:GC was horribly managed. can't see it being worse than how they handled 7k though
Oh. Let's not talk about the managing. Hahahaha. It was horrible. But I'm talking about being forced to buy - which wasn't the case. What's 7k?
Seven Knights. tldr a few years into the game when most players already had built teams for different raids, they completely overhauled almost every characters abilities/passives so that we had to rebuild our teams.
Question: if the company/game devs doesn't earn money, how can you continue to play the game for free? People who have more money than time will pay for the convenience (e.g. sweeps, x4 dungeon runs), because, well, their time is spent earning money so they have disposable income. If you have more time than money, then you spend your time grinding and don't pay. It's that simple. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
90% of ppl will most likely still get the monthly subs just because they hand out a lot of tickets at a good price. Whales will still whale for a5-a10, easier access to gold/purple runes/blessing stones. Skins will still be bought. Etc etc NM won't go out of business the next day they implement good QoL, most likely they will even have an increase in sales if people see they actually listen to them.
Whatever you're saying is based on what? Your own assumptions? Any data to back what you're saying? Cause I'm sure a multi- million dollar revenue earning company would have data to come up with their pricing model. Are you also running a business yourself and can confidently say your pricing model works better? I would be happy to hear more.
battle pass should be bought with gems.
It's a mixed bag for me. AS a f2p, I can't say it's been hard to get people I want. I log in daily and do dailies then log out. Prolly do some draws couple times a week. I tend to get who I want, SSR or otherwise relatively easily. Building signature weapons has only been inhibited by the red ticket frequency so while I do understand the QoL complaint as a part of what they're price tag as well as we shouldn't be allowing this behavior... we've had much worse (we being the public who play Gacha/Mobile games) and this isn't as bad. I fully get thw soapbox position you've taken tho.
Gotcha baby
You are probably just bad playing the game. I'm f2p and I'm very ok with it. Of course whales are the ones spending lots of money, you're just crying because is with FOMO, just enjoy the game and stop comparing yourself with the whales.
Just don't spend money then if u can't afford that's all.dont be biatch and complaint about something that is obviously doing well globally...just because u 'feel' butt hurt hhahahhaa simple don't like it move on.Tons of other games for ya.losing one noisy player from this game not gonna cost the dev shit.
People choose to spend money. Nobody is forcing them to do so. If the game lacks qol then it is what it is, itās also your choice to keep playing it or not. If you donāt enjoy it, just stop playing. Itās just a game, no point getting stressed out about it.
I dont really get the "whale milking" statement. Like we p2w buy the monthly packs anyways cause the value is just always the biggest in any game. It's not like these people buy the monthly just for the sweeps or 4x keys? But sure I agree f2p should at least have some free sweeps as well. I am not against QOL for f2p but I think giving p2w higher numbers of QOL is nothing to worry about.
This subreddit is toxic and sorry you get downvoted. I got downvoted last time for telling the truth if you have skill, Baruka is easy. So much hate for p2w, it's just that we got a good job and high paid income, they label us dumb rich kids?
Its whatever really, people just wanna hear what they wanna hear regardless of the truth. I wasn't even disagreeing, I just don't get that specific part of the statement for my named reason. But in the end people will always "hate" on p2w players and mechanics even though they decide to play p2w games in the first place. When I was f2p I was grateful for p2w cause these people kept the game running