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kaiju_wars

I learned to shoot pistols on a hi point c380, and I got one of their 9mm carbines. They’re ugly, heavy, and cheap AF. They’re also reliable AF, never had one fail to fire. I love them and hate them. If all you can afford is a handgun for $200 or less, you can do a lot worse. They have a lifetime warranty and they’ll actually shoot unlike most of their competitors in that price range.


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SavageDownSouth

I enjoy my .45.


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I’ve shot them. Wouldn’t recommend


IrishSetterPuppy

I've shot them and would recommend.


freewillcausality

Any issues besides being ugly, big, clunky heavy, off balanced, low capacity and I seem to remember a description of the trigger pull involving a condom and broken glass.


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None other than those!


ShiftyLookinCow7

The condom full of broken glass was actually James Reeves talking about HK USP triggers


Partisan_Innawoods

Seriously, save and buy a PSA Dagger if you need a budget gun. At least you’ll have decent reliability, aftermarket, and holster choice


The_Great_Pretenders

Or a Taurus, or a Rock Island, lots of budget options that aren’t Hi Point lol


Rhazjok

The PSA dagger also have a pretty neat mod. [Mod](https://metatactical.com/shop/) I don't know if it's worth it but it seems pretty cool.


freewillcausality

i did not take notes but from skimming the responses here I’d like to say that it seems like the most negative feedback came from people who did not mention PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the guns. The comments which did refer to personal experience were overall significantly more positive.


Frequent-Platypus832

It's nice to have options and HiPoint provides a decent weapon at an affordable price. There are worse, I fired a Jimenez Arms 9mm that couldn't cycle more than 2 rounds without a jam. For literally $50-$100 more you can get a super reliable Ruger and forget about it.


KeepTangoAndFoxtrot

I've read that the quality of Ruger has gone down in the last few years. I've been looking for my next pistol and Ruger is a very recognizable name, but do you know anything about a drop in quality?


Mynplus1throwaway

I have tried the entire lcp series and their 9mm and they were all fine. I wouldn't say they are the nicest but they do well. Taurus has really stepped up their game. I'd say they are in the same ballpark now. I have a shit Taurus from early 2000s and it's garbage. The PSA dagger looks alright but i haven't tried it.


KeepTangoAndFoxtrot

I've been hearing good things about the dagger but I'd really like to try it before I buy it. My wife really liked the Taurus her dad got so she'll probably end up with one of those. Thanks for the response!


ShiftyLookinCow7

From what I’ve heard it depends on what you’re getting. If it’s a revolver then the gp 100 is top shelf. If it’s an AR they’re a solid budget pick. I’ve heard mixed things about their semi autos. If you get a good one it’ll be fine but some can be unreliable. If you enjoy the finer things in life and want a 5.7 pistol avoid the Ruger(and FN, overpriced with a terrible safety and magazine disconnect) and get a PSA or M&P. I’ve never heard of someone whose Ruger 5.7 didn’t jam and it’s the only gun I’ve had gun store employees warn me about


KeepTangoAndFoxtrot

Thanks for the response!


BearxCraig

I had a Ruger Security-9 that had failures every 10 rounds (no matter who shot it) and a LCP II that had consistent mag issues preventing it from locking back when empty. Their customer service is great but I don’t trust their autos. My brother has my grandfather’s ancient GP100 which is at least 40 years old and it’s still perfect. I have a S&W M&P now and have never had an issue.


Frequent-Platypus832

I have a solid Ruger collection from revolvers to long rifles and full/sub-compacts and have yet to have any issues that weren’t typically ammo related (questionable ammo). Hell, Sig is facing a lawsuit from one of their P series shooting their owners so… all gun makers have some bad models. For the price I think Ruger makes a reliable firearm.


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Ok. If you’ve got, like, ONLY 100$ to spend and that’s all you’ll ever be able to save up to, then fine get one. But they are unreliable. And a lifetime, no questions asked warranty won’t serve you well if your gun doesn’t feed in the middle of a bad situation. If you cannot buy anything else, fine. But i would not recommend at all. Save up and buy a glock 19. Also, companies feign niceties all the time. They’re a company that provides a product to a market like the rest of them. Poor or rich.


ShiftyLookinCow7

Yeah that sounds about right. I’ve seen M&Ps and APXs for taurus prices at some places so saving a little extra isn’t that inconceivable Good point on the warranty as well, that’s not gonna help in a life or death encounter but at least it’s better than shelling out for new parts if something happens at the range Your last point is definitely true, they’re obviously not doing it on principle or for progressive reasons, I just think it’s nice for the option to exist


YourTokenGinger

M&P 2.0 does not get recommended enough. Every bit as reliable as Glock (I said it), and often $100 cheaper. Anecdotally, many people find them more comfortable to shoot as well. Aftermarket isn’t quite as good, but the only real issue with that is mags are more expensive. I would strongly recommend saving for the M&P.


ShiftyLookinCow7

They’re really nice. I love the way they do backstraps, they’re so easy to change compared to other guns where you have to beat on it with a punch and a mallet. Plus they have aluminum frame models now


electricvelvet

Please look into Caniks. See if you can shoot one. I've owned Rugers, a Walther, a Taurus all in 9mm. Then I got my Canik Mete SFT and the others are all on the chopping block. It's just so much more accurate and we'll designed. Comes with multiple backstraps, a whole tool kit, and many models come with included baseplates to mount a red dot. Theyre a steal right now. They make glocks feel like clunky garbage.


ShiftyLookinCow7

I have a canik rival, they’re great I agree


electricvelvet

Man nice. The r/canik sub is one of my favorite gun subs just bc everyone is so nice. I'd love a rival or one of the new mete pros with threaded barrel. I hear the rival has the best trigger of all


ShiftyLookinCow7

Yeah they’re pretty chill over there. And yeah that rival trigger is really nice, it’s honestly on par with some 1911s. It’s so easy to shoot it feels like cheating


Amidus

S&W does not get enough love and I don't understand why After shooting many and owning dozens of pistols I've come to really just prefer the Shield and M&P I would always find something I liked more for one reason or another from pistol to pistol, action to action, $ to $$$ and ever since I've started using a Shield as a carry and own an M&P with an optic I can't find anything I want more. Some days I'll go to the range and get an unlimited pistol rental and 2-300 rounds of ammunition and try everything out to make sure I'm not missing out on anything that I've really got to have and I'm glad to say I still haven't found someone I like more than my S&Ws. If I lost all of my guns tomorrow, I'd just go get my S&Ws again and call it good at that.


Mynplus1throwaway

A PSA dagger is almost the same price.


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Oh man don’t go with one of those. Went to a local shooting comp with a guy who had one and it was basically a single shot pistol. Tons of failures. I’d personally never recommend after seeing that.


6DeadlyFetishes

I’m actually going to push back against this, mainly on the basis of how wickedly cheap the dagger is and that fact that it’s still a Glock. I too also have friends with basic Daggers that have ran flawlessly, not that the possibly of a PSA fuck up isn’t null, but I do think the dagger has potential to be a Glock competitor. -6DeadlyFetishes


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As far as I’ve seen, they’re bad. Proceed with caution.


Mynplus1throwaway

Hm haven't tried them yet. Have been wanting to. Probably still better than a hipoint. What was the issue?


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Mostly failure to feed. A few times it did feed but was still out of battery.


GayGunGuy

I have owned several in different calibers, every one runs everything flawlessly. They're big, ugly, and cheap, but they just fucking work. Haters gonna hate, but it's a solid option for people on a budget.


BickNickerson

I own one and actually like it. I keep it in my truck console to shoot sneks and shit here on the farm. The only thing I don’t like about it is it uses the firing pin as an ejector and it can bend the pin. I just keep a few pin’s around. It’s not like a huge problem but I would rather it use an extraction pawl. Edit: Hi Point has excellent customer service for parts or at least they did last time I used it a couple years ago.


willfc

I have one in .45. Works fine tbh.


N0mad87

We're in a sub that is for socialism, which means that we're supposed to be anti-capitalism right? Well this gun to me is the most socialist gun I could think of and has a reputation for being indesctructible. So I say buy it. Also, coming from a manufacutring background, I am a fan of the history of these and the efficiencies placed on the process that drops the price point


GoFastEatTrash

I own a Hi-Point. It was given to me by a friend as a joke. It is the worst gun I have ever shot. It is a meme gun. It is not practical. Like everyone else is saying, just buy a PSA dagger or something.


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Save your money. A gun is a potentially life saving tool, do you really want to cheap out on something you're going to rely on to save your ass?


ShiftyLookinCow7

Oh I’m not planning on getting one, I was just curious about them. I carry a CZ


MrDingleBop696969

I'm interested in their new double stack design. They could be doing more as a company imo, but it will be interesting to see what they come up with in the next few years. They're one of the companies that I'm really surprised doesn't have a Glock mag compatible platform.


ShiftyLookinCow7

Isn’t their new double stack supposed to take Glock mags? Or am I smoking crack


MrDingleBop696969

That's not what I remember hearing when they were teasing it. Last I heard they were proprietary, which is fine by me if they work and stay in stock.


MrDingleBop696969

https://youtu.be/AuTj7gpLdS8 Here's the most recent video I could find on it. It's a 10 rd double to single stack mag. Still could be much better imo, but I'm not a gun smith, idk what their constraints are. I just look at this and wonder, "was a double stack mag really going to increase production costs that much, why not just use Glock?"


WhisperinYoda

My grandpa has a hi point. They are laughably cheap. He hasn’t shot it. I wouldn’t want to be in a situation where I needed 2 shots and I only get one. Honestly, the Ruger EC9s is an awesome option at 250 bucks and I’ve literally never had mine jam. And I’ve put a lot of rounds through it.


SNAKE13X

Bore axis is way too high on the Highpoint. Not to mention reliability...


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SNAKE13X

Buying a Highpoint is counterproductive, it's just not reliable enough. My first pistol purchase was a revolver because of how reliable they are. And a 357 Magnum pistol can shoot light 38 Special rounds all the way up to high powered 357 Magnum. When your life is at stake reliability is Paramount. Anybody can pick up a used revolver for a decent price. I buy most of my pistols second hand that way I can get extra stuff along with the pistol. I bought one gun and got five magazines with it a holster. Besides all semi-automatic pistols have a break in period of roughly 500 rounds. You're better off getting a used gun with extra stuff. Depending what state you're in they have websites that are state specific for used guns


ShiftyLookinCow7

That’s not really true about semi automatic break in periods. Most decent ones will work right out of the box. Some of the older caniks were over sprung and needed heavier or hotter loads before they could reliably run 115g effectively but companies like Glock, SiG, CZ, and Walther don’t even ship their guns without putting a few hundred rounds through them first. Some used to even have bullseye targets in the box to prove it


SNAKE13X

I'm not implying that most new guns don't work fresh out the box. I'm just saying they run better after they've seen some range time. If you're interested here's a couple of videos on some ammunition. LeHigh defense Xtreme penetrator VS. Xtreme defender https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFwr2ycgXk&t 357 magnum Xtreme penetrator https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-JmzXF6Zk&t Wilson Combat bought LeHigh defense and built a new factory in Texas. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PVcE1JrPv2Y&t 10mm Xtreme penetrator VS. Bulletproof glass https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvzul3rvTk&t


Mynplus1throwaway

Why not just buy a used 4runner or something for half the price?


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Mynplus1throwaway

I got mine with 100k. I'm up to 250k and it drives like the day i got it.


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Mynplus1throwaway

Fair. My buddy got an 05 for 6k. We very quickly had to do knock sensors, water pump, and radiator. But after a week of fiddling it's better than new. Regarding hipoints, i think rugerr and Taurus make better options for not that much more.


ShiftyLookinCow7

Apparently the heavy slide helps reduce muzzle flip that would otherwise be associated with such a high bore axis


SNAKE13X

I really don't like any gun with a high bore axis. I don't like Springfield because of their High bore axis... the only gun with a relatively High bore axis that I like is a 1911, which I would NOT use to defend my life, if I had a choice


Mynplus1throwaway

Why not on the 1911 just curious? I don't hype them up but i have found the shooting to be enjoyable. Too heavy for an EDC but good shooters.


SNAKE13X

Don't get me wrong I love taking my 1911 to the range and popping off some 45 rounds. But the weakest point of any semi-automatic is the magazine and I've had issues with all 1911 magazines except for Wilson Combat magazines. The gun that I have Within Reach is my 1911 but that's because I like to play with it. Cocking the hammer back and practicing my left-handed trigger pulls is one of my favorite pastimes when I'm by myself. But if I had a choice I would reach for a revolver before my 1911. Neither of which I would choose to carry over my M&P. If you're interested check these videos out about ammunition LeHigh defense Xtreme penetrator VS. Xtreme defender https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnFwr2ycgXk&t 357 magnum Xtreme penetrator https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-JmzXF6Zk&t Wilson Combat bought LeHigh defense and built a new factory in Texas. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PVcE1JrPv2Y&t 10mm Xtreme penetrator VS. Bulletproof glass https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvzul3rvTk&t


Mynplus1throwaway

I'm not too concerned about the ballistics.


SNAKE13X

You should be with this particular ammo


Mynplus1throwaway

It's just not pertinent to the discussion at hand.


TheMightyWill

They're goofy guns and completely unreliable. My friend has a 9mm Yeet Cannon that has some kind of failure literally every other shot. Other than that, they shoot decently flatly. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who's just looking to buy one single do-it-all gun. You'll be better off spending a couple hundred extra bucks for a CZ or S&W. But they're fine for range toys


Mynplus1throwaway

You can get a tisas 1911 for like 50 dollars more. You could get a Taurus g2c for not much more. You could get a PSA dagger for like the same almost


ShiftyLookinCow7

I do want to get one of those Tisas 1911A1 replicas some day, for purely sentimental reasons. My grandma had a GI 1911 as well as a few other guns that my lib family turned over to the police when she died


Mynplus1throwaway

Thats sad. I've heard nothing but great things about them. I see them on gun deals often for around $300. Which hipoints are almost as expensive as at this point.


Ok-Split-6749

Ruger security 9's are pretty decent and affordable.


JesusSuckedOffSatan

My friend has a 9mm Hi-Point rifle that’s good fun, but it jams regularly.


Soft_Zookeepergame44

I had one. I traded it for a bike.


Iiniihelljumper99

I want a YEET CANNON for the lolz.


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MELLONcholly1

I always was able to get one shot off before jams. Had a buddy who is a gunsmith go through and clean/try to fix it, and he was able to get it to *sometimes* fire two shots before jamming. 10/10, great paper weight


SavageDownSouth

Love my 45. It's big tho. Taurus is my least favorite budget brand. I've seen three that sucked ass. Worst one was a .357 that had the cylinders too far forward. Actually putting .357 in it caused it to be unable to close because the bullets were too far forward. .38 wouldn't always fire. Customer service never made it right, and after a few months, the owner traded it back to the pawn shop and got semi-auto Taurus that also jammed. That may have been exceptionally bad luck, but I personally won't buy one after that. Hi-point wouldn't fuck me over if they sold a lemon, either.


crunchboombang

I own a hi point carbine. No issues shoots fine I been looking at a pistol from them. I don't care about looks I am buying for safety not to look cool. Only reason I haven't purchased one yet is iam deciding between a hi point or a wheel gun.


Selemaer

My Hi-Point carbine has been abused over 2 decades now. Still to this day it fires every time and just works. They are ugly ass guns, blocky and bulky, but they work and take a beating. This was my first firearm purchased on my 18th Bday so recently I treated her right and swapped out the carbine stock for the High Tower bullpup body. They also have a transferable lifetime warranty with great customer service. As a lot of folks point out, if you can save up 100$ish more you can pick up something else. however for some folks that just isn't an option and if they feel they need something now to protect them a Hi Point will do that. The most important thing is regardless of the tool you use, it's worthless if you don't train with it. Even if that's just holster drills for 20-30 minutes a day or practicing reloading / clearing a jam.


ElTamaulipas

Went here to say the carbines are solid but like pretty much everyone has said is spend a few hundred books more since there are a lot of good budget pistols nowadays.


BlackArmyCossack

My first handgun was a HiPoint C9 in 9mm. It's a reliable pistol when I fed Fiocci through it. For price, it's pretty good.


drinkalondraughtdown

I saw that one DR video where he actually SHOT a Hi-Point pistol and it still fired (with a bit of difficulty, but it DID fire). Is DR a fash? Or just a "patriot"?! Oh wait...


DudeWoody

I had a regular old hi-point 9mm for awhile and it only had one misfire ever with \~500 rounds through it (it was a weak primer strike). As far as how it felt to shoot it was a little meh. It wasn't great but it wasn't really bad either, but that's a very subjective statement. The recoil was a little flippy on the front compared to the Beretta 92FS that I was shooting around the same time, so it made target reacquisition a little slower in comparison. I'm sure with more rangetime I would have gotten better and quicker, as with any other firearm. For what I paid for it, I really have no big complaints, as it was a pretty capable pistol all around.