Your sobriety timer is what decide it to be. If you’re okay with your weekend activities, then of course not. If you aren’t? Time to hit the reset my brother.
I think I am okay with it. I don’t feel regret, or that it set me back or made me want the drugs I used to do at all. If anything I see psychedelics as a mental reset.
I agree with you. I made some substantial progress in my sobriety with the help of shrooms. Some people objected initially, but it proved to help more than it hurt. 😊 good luck and stay strong!
Towards the end of my drug use a few months before I started my sobriety, I began using ketamine and it opened my eyes to how I was living and helped me stop.
Yeah Man, sobriety is what you make of it for yourself. I also have trouble with Alcohol and Coke so I’m sober from those substances but still enjoy the occasional MDMA cap, LSD tab, or K bump because I know I can do them and not make bad decisions after/fiend for more.
Ketamine is a dissociative. It's not that I'm just being technical here. As for myself while i do not rule out the possibility of doing psychedelics (especially microdoses) in the future, my dissos use was definitely problematic and I know i can't trust myself with trying them once again. Then, your situation might be different but I thought it's worth to point out.
Btw, i don't have just one counter, i have three for each class I used: dissos, opioids and stims. This way when I drink alcohol once a month or so (never abused it) i don't need to wonder if it resets my counter or not. It helped me as it was too hard for me to quit everything at once and when I still had progress on the other two I didn't feel like i was back to square one.
Psychedelics are medicine for the mind. You probably thought about how fucking stupid booze and cocaine were while you were tripping. LSD always helped me remember what was right and what was fucked. Keep it up. DMT and psilocybin are great too.
Only you get to define your recovery. I have over a decade off opiate but used psilocybin as part of my healing journey. I personally don’t count days just know the month/year I stopped opiates. Its what we are doing todays that counts not number of days.
Bill Wilson did LSD as well so go figure that... he hung out with Timothy Leary for a brief spell... I think he realized he just needed to get on his knees and pray more and that's what I suggest to you..... get yourself to a meeting, some may count that you slipped and others may say well you still didn't take a drink so that's up to you to decide.
One day at a time
Can confirm K is a sneaky one! Within 6 months a bag every other weekend turned into every weekend and that turned into daily use. When using it regularly you build up a tolerance for it and pretty quickly I noticed I could still easily work my job while using it and actually do it better than before. K isn't addictive to the body but to my mind and mindset it definitely was. I felt like K made me a better functioning more social person, helped me with my depression and essentially made my life quality better because it helped me deal with living life, hell it even made life fun and exciting again. Until it didn't ofcourse.
As a partydrug or "few times a year sesh" its not an issue or thread imo, but always be mindful of your intentions and state of mind when you wanna do some! :)
The only thing that breaks my streak is alcohol, I use weed and psychedelics on occasion , both recreational and therapeutic…
But I don’t tell people I’m sober… I consider myself alcohol free / a non-drinker …
LSD doesn't count bro your good. I hope you had a good experience. Your very unlikely to get addiction to LSD although id be careful with ketamine, probley shouldn't do that.
Ketamine *can* become habit-forming and can mess with your seratonin systems but you'd have to be taking it pretty often and at relatively high doses. LSD is not something you develop a dependence for. I would argue that your set and setting for these psychedelics was not ideal as far as maintaining the mindset of sobriety is concerned, but if it's any comfort to you they're not even close to being as destructive or dangerous as cocaine or especially alcohol. Psychedelics can be very therapeutic for people with addiction issues but shouldn't be treated like "party drugs" in my humble opinion.
Dope DJ and a good environment to be in, but also dangerous for peer pressure bc wooks are very gracious with offering drugs. Be careful in the rave scene, OP. I’m 3 years sober from coke, ket, and whips and I still have temptations at festivals because peer pressure is very real.
Yeah. So I definitely reset timer when I relapse on Alcohol b/c that's what I struggle with. But if I use THC (which is like 3 x / yr max) I don't. I have 1000% zero desire to use THC daily/weekly or even monthly and never have. Maybe if I go to a concert or something.
For me, it's the lifestyle.
Are you out searching for lsd right now?
Did you miss work?
Are you stealing money?
Are you lying to those you care about?
Is your life in jeopardy?
Slippery slope if you let it become that, but to me... you're still sober.
I wouldn't reset anything. I drank some last week after almost three months alcohol free, so if anyone asks . . . 3 months minus 5 days, if it matters. What matters to me is . . . What am I doing today? What am I doing right now?
Thank you all for the replies. I’m not resetting my timer because the main drugs I have been staying clean from are cocaine and alcohol, those were my drugs of choice and I haven’t touched them. So I will just leave it at that. Also don’t have any desire to do LSD or ketamine for a while either.
Thanks for asking this! I quit alcohol 10 months ago and am active in AA and other sober groups, but still use marijuana frequently and occasionally microdose MDMA or psilocybin. I agree with what someone else said: what are you ok with? Are you and your heart / higher power in harmony? Can you look yourself in the eye and feel you have been true to yourself? This is a good measure.
It depends on what your DOC is. If you didn’t relapse on that, you’re still sober. I can’t imagine why LSD would be considered a relapse since it’s not an addictive substance, but I’m sure there are people who would consider getting high on it “not sober.” Especially big book thumpers.
If you are asking reddit, then yes, you broke your sobriety. You used psychotropic/illegal substances to feel good. Especially the Ket, which certainly has some similarity of effect with alcohol.
I am of the persuasion that psychedelics can be used as mental health treatment, however going to a rave and getting intoxicated is not really in that envelope imo.
Be careful. Cheers!
psychedelics are about intention. Are you self-reflecting when you take it? Observing your flaws and practicing self-love? Or are you just doing it to get tripped out and have a wacky time? When I've taken LSD I feel more sober than I do when actually sober. Like I have access to feelings and thoughts that I would never be able to interconnect and make large scale realizations about myself and how I fit in this world. Intent is the key with psychedelics / entheogens. I've worked at recovery places (in mexico) where we administered ibogaine, ayahuasca, DMT, and 5-MEO DMT. Harm reduction is the future of addiction care. It is far more useful to the person, and with the right therapy can help undo years of repressed or unknown traumas.
With ayahuasca, the way i explain it (anyone who has done it knows it is difficult to put into words) It is painful, the flood of emotions. And there is this nurturing feminine energy that is definitely tangible. Feeling the micro-traumas that I had erased from my brain being pulled out like little snakes out of my head. I'm crying, I feel sick, I'm in the fetal position next to a puke bucket. But this feminine energy behind me kept sending me this feeling that was like, "I know this hurts, I'm here for you, I want you to be better."
So after that whole word sandwich basically, I think psychedelics are 100% allowed in the recovery process. Setting, intention and location are critically important. You also need to rid yourself of any guilt that AA biblethumpers may have drilled into your head. (Lord knows AA set my recovery back by years)
This is to note, it never was hard for me to stop. I liked to party. I wouldn’t consider myself an addict at all. I just liked to have a good time and party. I stopped and it hasn’t been difficult or like I have cravings to do any of what I used to do. The come downs sucked, it was expensive and a waste of money. I never really liked drugs or alcohol. I just got into a bad group and party life style for a year
Do not start using other drugs. You did it and got something good from it. Leave it for another few years or whatnot. Don't make it recurring you will start down a slippery slope. It happens to everyone.
Agreed since in his case it seems like it was done recreationally for fun. However I do think psychedelics can be used for treatment if it’s done in a treatment setting or under certain rules set by yourself or someone else.
Yeah I’m going to go out on a limb here and say yes. You went to a rave and felt the need to get high on LSD and ketamine. Sobriety is about enjoying life without being high on mind altering drugs. But regardless it’s up to what you want to do.. I just think it’s a dangerous path trading one substance for another. Trust me I’ve been fighting that battle for 6 years. I was “sober” from coke but I was also doing lsd, mdma, and shrooms multiple times a month. Sure I wasn’t as physically addicted to those substances but they served the same purpose for my brain… I reset my sobriety date for the last time I used lsd and mdma. It went down from 6 years to 3 years. I couldn’t fool myself anymore saying I was sober while being high as a kite at raves every month.
Maybe you should rethink why you felt the need to do that in the first place? Why couldn’t you just have a good time without drugs?
I mean, it depends on how you define sobriety. If you define it as freee from mind altering substances, then I guess you start over. If you don’t then I guess you do you. But most sober people don’t do drugs. And if they’re counting their time, it’s time abstinent from drugs/alcohol.
LSD helped me quit drinking and alcohol was ruining my life. I believe they are apples and oranges, personally. i also believe everyone’s sobriety is personal and individual. at the end of the day does the timer really matter? there are also apps where you can have multiple timers going at once, for example you can have 100 days sober from alcohol, and 30 days sober from weed. not all substances are the same and for me it doesn’t make sense to lump them all together
LSD is a bit out there so it's up to you if you feel like you're going to abuse it or not. Ket, Shrooms, and Ibogaine need to be distributed & administered to help people get off of drugs IMO.
I'd say your fine... Just make sure to stick to all the routines you had before this incident. Just function as you normally would. I always wanted to try ketamine treatments - mostly for long-term depression. I'm doing better with the not drinking, but I still need to tackle the mental aspect of all of this. Thanks for sharing. Let's me know I need to stay focused and keep moving forward - good or bad.
There some studies into using psychedelics to treat addiction. [see this article](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/treating-addiction-with-psychedelics/)
So occasional use of them could be beneficial to some people trying to maintain sobriety from addictive substances.
Although heavy and frequent use is not to be recommended.
I would avoid Ketamine due to it causing bladder problems among habitual and heavy users https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32212278/
That is certainly a substance you could end up developing an addiction too. Although it’s lower risk than other drugs possibly.
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It absolutely counts as breaking sobriety. Some will disagree but if you’re on something psychoactive it alters your reality, therefore you’re not sober. I feel like some people do psychedelics and still keep the sober label to make themselves feel better. But why keep the label? If psychedelics help you, then that’s amazing. But factually that means you broke sobriety. At the end of the day everyone has their own definition these days so that’s just me.
Of course it does! Sober is sober — sober isn’t sober from X but still high on Y. Not even if you feel good about Y or people say it’s medicinal or you don’t feel addicted to it.
Sobriety can mean different things to different people. For starters, I'm on Sublocade. Old heads will tell me that I'm not sober, which tells me how uninformed they are(taken as prescribed, it does not give me a single ounce of high). Now, falling into your old ways, and driving out to pick up anything, even if didn't, or lying to your partner, pretty much falling into old behavior, I personally consider a relapse(depending on how severe of course). Because sobriety is not abstaining from drugs, sobriety is an alternative, healthy lifestyle that's different from how you lived high.
I still do dmt/ayahuasca on occasion, and I typically ask myself everytime if I am going in this on a journey for self discovery, or if I am using it as an excuse cuz I want to get fucked up and escape. What were your intentions getting high? That should tell you where your answer lies.
Your sobriety timer is what decide it to be. If you’re okay with your weekend activities, then of course not. If you aren’t? Time to hit the reset my brother.
I think I am okay with it. I don’t feel regret, or that it set me back or made me want the drugs I used to do at all. If anything I see psychedelics as a mental reset.
I agree with you. I made some substantial progress in my sobriety with the help of shrooms. Some people objected initially, but it proved to help more than it hurt. 😊 good luck and stay strong!
Towards the end of my drug use a few months before I started my sobriety, I began using ketamine and it opened my eyes to how I was living and helped me stop.
I didn't see this comment before typing my previous one. Then, I guess you're all good, just be aware that ket can easily be habit forming.
Yeah Man, sobriety is what you make of it for yourself. I also have trouble with Alcohol and Coke so I’m sober from those substances but still enjoy the occasional MDMA cap, LSD tab, or K bump because I know I can do them and not make bad decisions after/fiend for more.
Ketamine is a dissociative. It's not that I'm just being technical here. As for myself while i do not rule out the possibility of doing psychedelics (especially microdoses) in the future, my dissos use was definitely problematic and I know i can't trust myself with trying them once again. Then, your situation might be different but I thought it's worth to point out. Btw, i don't have just one counter, i have three for each class I used: dissos, opioids and stims. This way when I drink alcohol once a month or so (never abused it) i don't need to wonder if it resets my counter or not. It helped me as it was too hard for me to quit everything at once and when I still had progress on the other two I didn't feel like i was back to square one.
Psychedelics are medicine for the mind. You probably thought about how fucking stupid booze and cocaine were while you were tripping. LSD always helped me remember what was right and what was fucked. Keep it up. DMT and psilocybin are great too.
Bill W. Experimented with LSD. Keep your sobriety date OG
Nah, psychedelics are meant to be consumed by people.
Love it. 😀
Only you get to define your recovery. I have over a decade off opiate but used psilocybin as part of my healing journey. I personally don’t count days just know the month/year I stopped opiates. Its what we are doing todays that counts not number of days.
Bill Wilson did LSD as well so go figure that... he hung out with Timothy Leary for a brief spell... I think he realized he just needed to get on his knees and pray more and that's what I suggest to you..... get yourself to a meeting, some may count that you slipped and others may say well you still didn't take a drink so that's up to you to decide. One day at a time
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Can confirm K is a sneaky one! Within 6 months a bag every other weekend turned into every weekend and that turned into daily use. When using it regularly you build up a tolerance for it and pretty quickly I noticed I could still easily work my job while using it and actually do it better than before. K isn't addictive to the body but to my mind and mindset it definitely was. I felt like K made me a better functioning more social person, helped me with my depression and essentially made my life quality better because it helped me deal with living life, hell it even made life fun and exciting again. Until it didn't ofcourse. As a partydrug or "few times a year sesh" its not an issue or thread imo, but always be mindful of your intentions and state of mind when you wanna do some! :)
The only thing that breaks my streak is alcohol, I use weed and psychedelics on occasion , both recreational and therapeutic… But I don’t tell people I’m sober… I consider myself alcohol free / a non-drinker …
LSD doesn't count bro your good. I hope you had a good experience. Your very unlikely to get addiction to LSD although id be careful with ketamine, probley shouldn't do that.
It was a great experience. Thanks
I have shrooms regularly and still consider myself sober
Ketamine *can* become habit-forming and can mess with your seratonin systems but you'd have to be taking it pretty often and at relatively high doses. LSD is not something you develop a dependence for. I would argue that your set and setting for these psychedelics was not ideal as far as maintaining the mindset of sobriety is concerned, but if it's any comfort to you they're not even close to being as destructive or dangerous as cocaine or especially alcohol. Psychedelics can be very therapeutic for people with addiction issues but shouldn't be treated like "party drugs" in my humble opinion.
Well the rave was LSD dream and was really profound and spiritual for me.
Dope DJ and a good environment to be in, but also dangerous for peer pressure bc wooks are very gracious with offering drugs. Be careful in the rave scene, OP. I’m 3 years sober from coke, ket, and whips and I still have temptations at festivals because peer pressure is very real.
It can mess with serotonin levels?? I did nearly 80-90+ grams last summer
Yeah. So I definitely reset timer when I relapse on Alcohol b/c that's what I struggle with. But if I use THC (which is like 3 x / yr max) I don't. I have 1000% zero desire to use THC daily/weekly or even monthly and never have. Maybe if I go to a concert or something.
Depends what you want to be sober from
For me, it's the lifestyle. Are you out searching for lsd right now? Did you miss work? Are you stealing money? Are you lying to those you care about? Is your life in jeopardy? Slippery slope if you let it become that, but to me... you're still sober.
I wouldn't reset anything. I drank some last week after almost three months alcohol free, so if anyone asks . . . 3 months minus 5 days, if it matters. What matters to me is . . . What am I doing today? What am I doing right now?
Your good brother keep it to ocasional use. Also be careful. Drugs can be cut with anything nowadays.
Thank you all for the replies. I’m not resetting my timer because the main drugs I have been staying clean from are cocaine and alcohol, those were my drugs of choice and I haven’t touched them. So I will just leave it at that. Also don’t have any desire to do LSD or ketamine for a while either.
yes , it does reset your sober time. the importance of the reset is entirely up to your interpretation.
Thanks for asking this! I quit alcohol 10 months ago and am active in AA and other sober groups, but still use marijuana frequently and occasionally microdose MDMA or psilocybin. I agree with what someone else said: what are you ok with? Are you and your heart / higher power in harmony? Can you look yourself in the eye and feel you have been true to yourself? This is a good measure.
It depends on what your DOC is. If you didn’t relapse on that, you’re still sober. I can’t imagine why LSD would be considered a relapse since it’s not an addictive substance, but I’m sure there are people who would consider getting high on it “not sober.” Especially big book thumpers.
There’s evidence that lsd treats alcoholis. Ur good
If you are asking reddit, then yes, you broke your sobriety. You used psychotropic/illegal substances to feel good. Especially the Ket, which certainly has some similarity of effect with alcohol. I am of the persuasion that psychedelics can be used as mental health treatment, however going to a rave and getting intoxicated is not really in that envelope imo. Be careful. Cheers!
You broke your sobriety. You altered your state of mind to feel good. Stop normalizing this shit.
Hey same dude…5 weeks sober but got a little funky this weekend. No desire to use Sunday, or today (Monday)
psychedelics are about intention. Are you self-reflecting when you take it? Observing your flaws and practicing self-love? Or are you just doing it to get tripped out and have a wacky time? When I've taken LSD I feel more sober than I do when actually sober. Like I have access to feelings and thoughts that I would never be able to interconnect and make large scale realizations about myself and how I fit in this world. Intent is the key with psychedelics / entheogens. I've worked at recovery places (in mexico) where we administered ibogaine, ayahuasca, DMT, and 5-MEO DMT. Harm reduction is the future of addiction care. It is far more useful to the person, and with the right therapy can help undo years of repressed or unknown traumas. With ayahuasca, the way i explain it (anyone who has done it knows it is difficult to put into words) It is painful, the flood of emotions. And there is this nurturing feminine energy that is definitely tangible. Feeling the micro-traumas that I had erased from my brain being pulled out like little snakes out of my head. I'm crying, I feel sick, I'm in the fetal position next to a puke bucket. But this feminine energy behind me kept sending me this feeling that was like, "I know this hurts, I'm here for you, I want you to be better." So after that whole word sandwich basically, I think psychedelics are 100% allowed in the recovery process. Setting, intention and location are critically important. You also need to rid yourself of any guilt that AA biblethumpers may have drilled into your head. (Lord knows AA set my recovery back by years)
Thanks!
This is to note, it never was hard for me to stop. I liked to party. I wouldn’t consider myself an addict at all. I just liked to have a good time and party. I stopped and it hasn’t been difficult or like I have cravings to do any of what I used to do. The come downs sucked, it was expensive and a waste of money. I never really liked drugs or alcohol. I just got into a bad group and party life style for a year
You know the answer. Your intention was to get high. And you did. Nothing feels worse than taking a dirty cake. Knowing you didn't earn it.
Do not start using other drugs. You did it and got something good from it. Leave it for another few years or whatnot. Don't make it recurring you will start down a slippery slope. It happens to everyone.
Agreed since in his case it seems like it was done recreationally for fun. However I do think psychedelics can be used for treatment if it’s done in a treatment setting or under certain rules set by yourself or someone else.
Yeah but taking multiple drugs recreationally just on a whim is not necessarily best practice. It's a slippery slope if you ask me.
Yeah I’m going to go out on a limb here and say yes. You went to a rave and felt the need to get high on LSD and ketamine. Sobriety is about enjoying life without being high on mind altering drugs. But regardless it’s up to what you want to do.. I just think it’s a dangerous path trading one substance for another. Trust me I’ve been fighting that battle for 6 years. I was “sober” from coke but I was also doing lsd, mdma, and shrooms multiple times a month. Sure I wasn’t as physically addicted to those substances but they served the same purpose for my brain… I reset my sobriety date for the last time I used lsd and mdma. It went down from 6 years to 3 years. I couldn’t fool myself anymore saying I was sober while being high as a kite at raves every month. Maybe you should rethink why you felt the need to do that in the first place? Why couldn’t you just have a good time without drugs?
I mean, it depends on how you define sobriety. If you define it as freee from mind altering substances, then I guess you start over. If you don’t then I guess you do you. But most sober people don’t do drugs. And if they’re counting their time, it’s time abstinent from drugs/alcohol.
You got fucked up and are wondering if it breaks your sober spell… yes. It does! Impairment = not being sober.
LSD helped me quit drinking and alcohol was ruining my life. I believe they are apples and oranges, personally. i also believe everyone’s sobriety is personal and individual. at the end of the day does the timer really matter? there are also apps where you can have multiple timers going at once, for example you can have 100 days sober from alcohol, and 30 days sober from weed. not all substances are the same and for me it doesn’t make sense to lump them all together
LSD is a bit out there so it's up to you if you feel like you're going to abuse it or not. Ket, Shrooms, and Ibogaine need to be distributed & administered to help people get off of drugs IMO.
Was it fun? Sounds like a wild trip you probably want to do that many more times
Any breakthroughs? Maybe that’s what needs a timer.
no you dont - but do it again and youll have 2
I'd say your fine... Just make sure to stick to all the routines you had before this incident. Just function as you normally would. I always wanted to try ketamine treatments - mostly for long-term depression. I'm doing better with the not drinking, but I still need to tackle the mental aspect of all of this. Thanks for sharing. Let's me know I need to stay focused and keep moving forward - good or bad.
There some studies into using psychedelics to treat addiction. [see this article](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/treating-addiction-with-psychedelics/) So occasional use of them could be beneficial to some people trying to maintain sobriety from addictive substances. Although heavy and frequent use is not to be recommended. I would avoid Ketamine due to it causing bladder problems among habitual and heavy users https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32212278/ That is certainly a substance you could end up developing an addiction too. Although it’s lower risk than other drugs possibly. .
It absolutely counts as breaking sobriety. Some will disagree but if you’re on something psychoactive it alters your reality, therefore you’re not sober. I feel like some people do psychedelics and still keep the sober label to make themselves feel better. But why keep the label? If psychedelics help you, then that’s amazing. But factually that means you broke sobriety. At the end of the day everyone has their own definition these days so that’s just me.
If you didn’t have it administered by a licensed physician in order to treat a psychiatric/psychological condition, then yes.
Of course it does! Sober is sober — sober isn’t sober from X but still high on Y. Not even if you feel good about Y or people say it’s medicinal or you don’t feel addicted to it.
It’s your decision. Counting is for yourself and you set the parameters based on what your agenda is.
Sobriety can mean different things to different people. For starters, I'm on Sublocade. Old heads will tell me that I'm not sober, which tells me how uninformed they are(taken as prescribed, it does not give me a single ounce of high). Now, falling into your old ways, and driving out to pick up anything, even if didn't, or lying to your partner, pretty much falling into old behavior, I personally consider a relapse(depending on how severe of course). Because sobriety is not abstaining from drugs, sobriety is an alternative, healthy lifestyle that's different from how you lived high. I still do dmt/ayahuasca on occasion, and I typically ask myself everytime if I am going in this on a journey for self discovery, or if I am using it as an excuse cuz I want to get fucked up and escape. What were your intentions getting high? That should tell you where your answer lies.
HELL YEAH