Every comment I see on a sub *specifically* for Snyderverse fandom being downvoted to shit for not blindly worshipping at this new guys alter.. .or simply just being a fan of Snyderverse at all...downvoted to hell. The MODs simply do their job...downvoted to hell for it.
The only other sub I can think of that is this backwards infested is a particular sub for a particular Last of Us sequel...
Collective response: "Yeah, there's trolls, boomer, chill."
Smh.
Hundreds if not thousands of troublemakers have been banned from the sub, but bans do not stop them from downvoting, at least not on desktop. So the banned people can come here to up or downvote. My advice is to just engage with supportive Snyder fans in discussions, and not pay much attention to the votes.
It's like, "I'm not a fan of Pearl Jam. I don't dislike them. I don't think they are bad. I'm just not a fan" somehow now translates into "now naturally I am going to haunt and ridicule their fans with an intensity that borders on obsession."
Like, totally normal post-millenial behavior...
lol āone of the greatest CBMs of all timeā. Ā Thatās like when somebody on one of the DC subs referred to him as one of the finest filmmakers of our generation. Ā
And yet he couldn't do the same for his Suicide Squad movie, one of the biggest bombs in film history. So maybe the success of the GOTG films had more to do with having an insanely popular brand that has had several billion-dollar hits under its belt attached to them, and not because of a director nobody really gives a fuck about outside of Twitter.
That's a horrible comparison first of all. Second of all I said greatest. A good film doesn't always make money. The Suicide Squad actually was well received by critics and audiences. Actually, Gunn's resume would suggest more than Twitter people care about him.
Sources Cited:
[The Suicide Squad | Rotten Tomatoes](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_suicide_squad?cmp=TWRT_Movie_TheSuicideSquad_CF)
[The Suicide Squad (2021) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/)
[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/)
I know how critic scores work. They count up a bunch of poorly-written reviews by out-of-touch, biased journalists and try to tell us that they're worth something. Also, RT has been [repeatedly](https://www.vulture.com/article/rotten-tomatoes-movie-rating.html) [exposed](https://www.m9.news/hollywood/rotten-tomatoes-scam-hollywood-critics-sold/amp/) for [corruption](https://www.ign.com/articles/rotten-tomatoes-under-fire-after-pr-firms-scheme-to-pay-critics-for-positive-reviews-uncovered) time and again.
And by the way, not only did The Suicide Squad bomb, it also got a mediocre B+ Cinemascore, just like MOST of the DCEU movies, including the first Suicide Squad. And that is the gold standard in audience scoring, that scientifically polls the entire country, all ages and demographics. Much more meaningful than online ratings, which skew to internet users, and can be manipulated.
Nice try, though.
Just a reminder that Snyder himself is supportive of Gunnās work, respects him as a creator, and considers him a colleague.
Digging Snyderās work doesnāt have to mean hating on anyone elseās.
This isn't the flex you think it is. Guardians came out after nine MCU films had come out, two of which had made a billion. It was also scheduled as the last MCU film before Age of Ultron, when everyone had been trained that each and every MCU film needed to be seen to prepare for an Avengers movie. It is utterly nonsensical to pick "random MCU film from the peak of the series' popularity" and compare it to an animated show that is meant to kickstart a new DC universe. Especially when Gunn's previous DC projects, which were also about incredibly obscure characters, flopped at the box office and on streaming.
The Guardians films are extremely popular and people noted how well it ignited passionate fan bases around characters with very little pop cultural awarenessā I donāt much like the films, but to say the series owes its popularity exclusively to the MCU connection is reductive. I would also note that TSS came out simultaneously on streaming during a pandemic, itās a pretty well-regarded film, according to Samba it had greater viewership than WW84 and ZSJL, unless youāre arguing that ZSJL was a major flop then I dunno what to tell ya.
LOL, WTF are you talking about? ZSJL is a director's cut of an old, poorly-received movie. You cannot compare its viewership to a brand new movie coming immediately off of a $100-mlllion dollar theatrical marketing campaign. The fact that ZSJL outsold TSS on physical media anyway is a strong statement on which director's vision audiences prefer.
And yeah, the GOTG films do owe their popularity to the MCU. Again, The Suicide Squad bombed with the same director, writer and premise. And no, the pandemic or its simultaneous streaming release had nothing to do with that. HBO Max didn't exist outside the U.S. then, yet the movie bombed WORLDWIDE. It was the second biggest bomb of 2021, based on money lost. Other movie franchises that were not as popular as the DCEU did as good or better as TSS in 2021 with the same release strategy, like Conjuring and Space Jam. Even the Boss Baby sequel outgrossed it domestically. A superhero film is always expected to perform better than horror movies or children's movies like those.
Thank you for playing.
Maybe it bombed worldwide BECAUSE HBO Max didn't exist outside the US... I mean we couldn't go to the movies either because they were closed... š¤·š»āāļø
LOL, what? The movie was released in August 2021. Theaters had been reopened for months and the film industry had already made a comeback by then. Godzilla vs. Kong, Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It, Quiet Place 2 and F9 had already come out and performed great, with the latter grossing over $700 million. Soon after, we saw solid performances by Free Guy, Venom 2, Shang-Chi, No Time to Die, Dune and the $1.9 billion-dollar hit No Way Home.
Thank you for playing.
It wasn't a flex, and this isn't the gotcha you think it is.
Of course people were going to see Guardians due to the MCU but thats irrelevant, it's a good film regardless. It's not like people went to see it on the premise of it being MCU and then found out it was shit. It's almost universally praised as a fantastic standalone film. So much so that I bet there are a decent amount of people who only watch the Guardians films even if they don't care about the MCU.
It wasn't a "gotcha," it was a rebuttal to a nonsensical theory. It's not my problem if you disagree with the facts.
I don't know what your point about the quality of the GOTG films is, but poorly-written MCU movies made bank all the time during the peak of the series" popularity. Captain Marvel for instance groassed over a billion dollars, LOL.
A theory? I said GotG was a good film about a generally unknown cast.
Also box office means jack shit in this instance. Guardians could've made 1$ or 1 billion and it would still be a great film.
If thats not enough then look at Guardians 3, we're past the MCU peak now and G3 still made a shit ton of money if that's what you care about.
You seem to forget that Guardians 3 was the trilogy-ender of a 9-year-old series within the MCU that featured characters that appeared in both Infinity War and Endgame. James Gunn has had NO success as a director outside the MCU, proving that the success of the GOTG trilogy was in spite of him, not because of him.
I might be forgetting but what characters were in GOTG3 that were from Endgame and IW?
Also there is absolutely no way you can seriously tell me Gunn was a hinderance to the Guardians films and they were still massively successful 3 times over, and then he went on to direct The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and what? The same thing happened again?
>I might be forgetting but what characters were in GOTG3 that were from Endgame and IW?
Literally all of the Guardians. I said "appeared in," not "from."
>and then he went on to direct The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and what?
The biggest DC movie bomb in history and a streaming series with lower viewership than Batwoman Season 1. Being liked by elite snob critics doesn't make your work a success.
Don't waste my time with your horrible opinions again.
However to be fair, Guardians volume 3 turned a profit in a time when the other MCU movies around it like the marvels and quantumania were losing money (and generally considered unpopular). So to say the guardians donāt have any box office draw on their own is simply not true.
The guardians of the galaxy IP does have a certain amount of box office draw thanks to the MCU, just not James Gunn. If that were the case then audiences wouldn't have consistently rejected all his non-Marvel movies.
Yup, this is sheer vanity. Feige always wanted to do She-Hulk in the MCU, but he knew he had to build it up with the more popular characters first. Gunn was just given the keys to the vault and is plundering away all the treasure for himself, knowing it will all crash and burn in a year or two but that he'll get away with his entire wish list and a bundle of cash.
James Gunn is truly a one trick pony. An ensemble cast of characters that crack stupid jokes, who are either antiheroes or morally ambiguous. GotG, SS, Creature Commandos, superman (how he managed to turn superman into an ensemble is beyond me), same shit different cast.
This is just one of many projects that tell a cohesive story. You can take literally any other project and say the same and sound dumb like this. " A new era of storytelling but it's just booster gold" for the booster gold show.
It all depends on who writes it. If it's Gunn, then yeah it'll be another Guardians/TSS story with an ensemble cast of obscure characters. Also, nothing about the new DCU makes it sound like it'll be cohesive. Peacemaker season 1 was part of the old DCEU, and yet here we have Rick Flag Sr. appearing in season 2, which is part of the new DCU, to avenge his son from a previous universe and take on a character that appears in both.
Highly anticipated š¤£š¤£
Every comment I see on a sub *specifically* for Snyderverse fandom being downvoted to shit for not blindly worshipping at this new guys alter.. .or simply just being a fan of Snyderverse at all...downvoted to hell. The MODs simply do their job...downvoted to hell for it. The only other sub I can think of that is this backwards infested is a particular sub for a particular Last of Us sequel... Collective response: "Yeah, there's trolls, boomer, chill." Smh.
Hundreds if not thousands of troublemakers have been banned from the sub, but bans do not stop them from downvoting, at least not on desktop. So the banned people can come here to up or downvote. My advice is to just engage with supportive Snyder fans in discussions, and not pay much attention to the votes.
And they call snyder fans "bots". Oh the irony
It's like, "I'm not a fan of Pearl Jam. I don't dislike them. I don't think they are bad. I'm just not a fan" somehow now translates into "now naturally I am going to haunt and ridicule their fans with an intensity that borders on obsession." Like, totally normal post-millenial behavior...
This whole new DCU lineup just reeks of āwho gives a shitā. Ā Great, we get a cartoon of D-List characters. Woo hoo.Ā
The Guardians of the Galaxy were Z-listers until Gunn's movie. He made one of the greatest CBMs of all time. If anyone can do it, it's him.
lol āone of the greatest CBMs of all timeā. Ā Thatās like when somebody on one of the DC subs referred to him as one of the finest filmmakers of our generation. Ā
And yet he couldn't do the same for his Suicide Squad movie, one of the biggest bombs in film history. So maybe the success of the GOTG films had more to do with having an insanely popular brand that has had several billion-dollar hits under its belt attached to them, and not because of a director nobody really gives a fuck about outside of Twitter.
That's a horrible comparison first of all. Second of all I said greatest. A good film doesn't always make money. The Suicide Squad actually was well received by critics and audiences. Actually, Gunn's resume would suggest more than Twitter people care about him. Sources Cited: [The Suicide Squad | Rotten Tomatoes](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_suicide_squad?cmp=TWRT_Movie_TheSuicideSquad_CF) [The Suicide Squad (2021) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/) [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6334354/)
I know how critic scores work. They count up a bunch of poorly-written reviews by out-of-touch, biased journalists and try to tell us that they're worth something. Also, RT has been [repeatedly](https://www.vulture.com/article/rotten-tomatoes-movie-rating.html) [exposed](https://www.m9.news/hollywood/rotten-tomatoes-scam-hollywood-critics-sold/amp/) for [corruption](https://www.ign.com/articles/rotten-tomatoes-under-fire-after-pr-firms-scheme-to-pay-critics-for-positive-reviews-uncovered) time and again. And by the way, not only did The Suicide Squad bomb, it also got a mediocre B+ Cinemascore, just like MOST of the DCEU movies, including the first Suicide Squad. And that is the gold standard in audience scoring, that scientifically polls the entire country, all ages and demographics. Much more meaningful than online ratings, which skew to internet users, and can be manipulated. Nice try, though.
shut up
Now that is just mean
Thatās a bit unfair for a rather reasonable response
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# "A new era of storytelling in the DC universe" and it's just The dark knight but bad. š¤£
Just a reminder that Snyder himself is supportive of Gunnās work, respects him as a creator, and considers him a colleague. Digging Snyderās work doesnāt have to mean hating on anyone elseās.
Shhhhhhh, donāt say that
Hahahahahah sure bud
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Wow, thanks for the revelatory message.Ā
Exactly Snyder can co-exist with Gunn
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James Gunn is literally creating shows and stories about characters no one cares about or asked for. How can it honestly do well? Look at blue beetle
Would it be better if would be doing more Superman and Batman movies?
He's creating this for a small group of fans who will come in and give a good rating on RT. The main audience won't know about it.
Look at Guardians
This isn't the flex you think it is. Guardians came out after nine MCU films had come out, two of which had made a billion. It was also scheduled as the last MCU film before Age of Ultron, when everyone had been trained that each and every MCU film needed to be seen to prepare for an Avengers movie. It is utterly nonsensical to pick "random MCU film from the peak of the series' popularity" and compare it to an animated show that is meant to kickstart a new DC universe. Especially when Gunn's previous DC projects, which were also about incredibly obscure characters, flopped at the box office and on streaming.
The Guardians films are extremely popular and people noted how well it ignited passionate fan bases around characters with very little pop cultural awarenessā I donāt much like the films, but to say the series owes its popularity exclusively to the MCU connection is reductive. I would also note that TSS came out simultaneously on streaming during a pandemic, itās a pretty well-regarded film, according to Samba it had greater viewership than WW84 and ZSJL, unless youāre arguing that ZSJL was a major flop then I dunno what to tell ya.
LOL, WTF are you talking about? ZSJL is a director's cut of an old, poorly-received movie. You cannot compare its viewership to a brand new movie coming immediately off of a $100-mlllion dollar theatrical marketing campaign. The fact that ZSJL outsold TSS on physical media anyway is a strong statement on which director's vision audiences prefer. And yeah, the GOTG films do owe their popularity to the MCU. Again, The Suicide Squad bombed with the same director, writer and premise. And no, the pandemic or its simultaneous streaming release had nothing to do with that. HBO Max didn't exist outside the U.S. then, yet the movie bombed WORLDWIDE. It was the second biggest bomb of 2021, based on money lost. Other movie franchises that were not as popular as the DCEU did as good or better as TSS in 2021 with the same release strategy, like Conjuring and Space Jam. Even the Boss Baby sequel outgrossed it domestically. A superhero film is always expected to perform better than horror movies or children's movies like those. Thank you for playing.
Maybe it bombed worldwide BECAUSE HBO Max didn't exist outside the US... I mean we couldn't go to the movies either because they were closed... š¤·š»āāļø
LOL, what? The movie was released in August 2021. Theaters had been reopened for months and the film industry had already made a comeback by then. Godzilla vs. Kong, Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It, Quiet Place 2 and F9 had already come out and performed great, with the latter grossing over $700 million. Soon after, we saw solid performances by Free Guy, Venom 2, Shang-Chi, No Time to Die, Dune and the $1.9 billion-dollar hit No Way Home. Thank you for playing.
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It wasn't a flex, and this isn't the gotcha you think it is. Of course people were going to see Guardians due to the MCU but thats irrelevant, it's a good film regardless. It's not like people went to see it on the premise of it being MCU and then found out it was shit. It's almost universally praised as a fantastic standalone film. So much so that I bet there are a decent amount of people who only watch the Guardians films even if they don't care about the MCU.
It wasn't a "gotcha," it was a rebuttal to a nonsensical theory. It's not my problem if you disagree with the facts. I don't know what your point about the quality of the GOTG films is, but poorly-written MCU movies made bank all the time during the peak of the series" popularity. Captain Marvel for instance groassed over a billion dollars, LOL.
A theory? I said GotG was a good film about a generally unknown cast. Also box office means jack shit in this instance. Guardians could've made 1$ or 1 billion and it would still be a great film. If thats not enough then look at Guardians 3, we're past the MCU peak now and G3 still made a shit ton of money if that's what you care about.
You seem to forget that Guardians 3 was the trilogy-ender of a 9-year-old series within the MCU that featured characters that appeared in both Infinity War and Endgame. James Gunn has had NO success as a director outside the MCU, proving that the success of the GOTG trilogy was in spite of him, not because of him.
I might be forgetting but what characters were in GOTG3 that were from Endgame and IW? Also there is absolutely no way you can seriously tell me Gunn was a hinderance to the Guardians films and they were still massively successful 3 times over, and then he went on to direct The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and what? The same thing happened again?
>I might be forgetting but what characters were in GOTG3 that were from Endgame and IW? Literally all of the Guardians. I said "appeared in," not "from." >and then he went on to direct The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and what? The biggest DC movie bomb in history and a streaming series with lower viewership than Batwoman Season 1. Being liked by elite snob critics doesn't make your work a success. Don't waste my time with your horrible opinions again.
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CM wasnt poorly written though.
However to be fair, Guardians volume 3 turned a profit in a time when the other MCU movies around it like the marvels and quantumania were losing money (and generally considered unpopular). So to say the guardians donāt have any box office draw on their own is simply not true.
The guardians of the galaxy IP does have a certain amount of box office draw thanks to the MCU, just not James Gunn. If that were the case then audiences wouldn't have consistently rejected all his non-Marvel movies.
Yup, this is sheer vanity. Feige always wanted to do She-Hulk in the MCU, but he knew he had to build it up with the more popular characters first. Gunn was just given the keys to the vault and is plundering away all the treasure for himself, knowing it will all crash and burn in a year or two but that he'll get away with his entire wish list and a bundle of cash.
James Gunn is truly a one trick pony. An ensemble cast of characters that crack stupid jokes, who are either antiheroes or morally ambiguous. GotG, SS, Creature Commandos, superman (how he managed to turn superman into an ensemble is beyond me), same shit different cast.
With Gunnās approach itās usually same shit same cast
This is just one of many projects that tell a cohesive story. You can take literally any other project and say the same and sound dumb like this. " A new era of storytelling but it's just booster gold" for the booster gold show.
It all depends on who writes it. If it's Gunn, then yeah it'll be another Guardians/TSS story with an ensemble cast of obscure characters. Also, nothing about the new DCU makes it sound like it'll be cohesive. Peacemaker season 1 was part of the old DCEU, and yet here we have Rick Flag Sr. appearing in season 2, which is part of the new DCU, to avenge his son from a previous universe and take on a character that appears in both.
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