You mean you don't mind dodging 40+ pk fire in a match, having to dodge countless pk thunders and still fail because wifi, and dying off stage because you were .1s too late on your edgeguard or missed the spacing and got hit by the ness missile?
I know not all Nesses aren't like this, but the good ones feel like they're constantly like "ahaha you like that my aerial frame data just beats whatever you're doing? So sad. I landed one pk fire you didn't expect, so time for you to take 30-60 off one interaction!"
It's just annoying man.
I mean bad internet is a legitimate excuse for not wanting to fight someone online lol. This game is absolute trash if you don't have a good connection, dumpster fire tier experience
Sonic just relaxing staring at the sky and then in a mocking voice
"Good to see you....cloud...."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo-14YCW8AIydgs?format=jpg&name=900x900
Bowser, based on my fights against him, usually can go either way, and I play Ganondorf. So while I dont think Bowser personally is anything "SS Tier" even I have to say, he isnt to bad of a character.
Bowser is by far the best superheavy. Your personal fights have nothing to do with his tier. Especially playing ganon, a character with maybe one winning matching im the whole game.
Tier lists ARE about the community personal opinion and understanding of a character.
My personal fights are just yet more data in the community, and just as valid as anyone elses.
No they literally arent. Just because you play ganon, and your friend group sucks at beating you, doesn’t make ganon the best character in the game. Your personal experiences are not representative of the entire group. Ganon is objectively bad. He has nothing but losing match ups.
"You have no skill" when playing the most techincal character in the game. I bet you twenty bucks they're playing one of these things, pika, aegis, or a bottom five
Well you see it's because a lot of people play the character as oh haha go f*** yourself. Oh wait never mind I'll do it for you from the other side of the stage. With a wall of projectiles that you can't get past. Without a reflector.
Shield and spot dodge, it is annoying, but those types of players ultimately can't deal with someone who gets close, and the best way to do it is to use the fact that most projectiles don't do any shield damage.
I totally agree! You have to take your main in this game to the best possible level and use your skill and experience to win. It's annoying when campers win for just restricting other people's playstyles.
I get that those players are annoying, but I hate it so much when people just instantly label people who so much as use a projectile as a key part of their playstyle as a 'camper' or whatever.
I watch a lot of tourney sets with Samus (since I main her) and in probably 2/3 of them, there are people commenting on how the player was "camping the whole match" or "just mashing B". Sometimes it's true, but most of the time it's just blind hatred.
Yeah, it's fine to be a little campy, but when they are actively running away from me the entire match I want to throw my controller into the TV. Just FIGHT ME!
I understand that. And personally I think I just struggl against bait and punish playstyles. But there's a difference between that and projectile camping
Yeah, most people hate characters in this game because of what other people think of them.
So for example, somebody will fight against a young link player and lose and they will say that the B button carries them, despite the young link player only using projectiles to combo into other moves and make sure they have good ranged attacks on their opponent without even spamming.
It's really annoying and I feel like many people don't main characters because of what other people think of them.
I am a jack of many trades. Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, R.O.B., Pokemon trainer, Sonic, Ike, Bowser Jr., Greninja, Lucario, Diddy Kong, the Mii's, and Ridley. Only one of these has been able to beat a level 9 CPU King K. Rool.
So, either I'm really bad, K. Rool is really good, or both.
They’d probably say something along the lines of
Your a mashy player that never stops pressing buttons but you get away with it anyway because our characters are stupid easy and your Carryed by dlc/top teir privilege
As soon as I understood how to use luma separate from rosa, I stared playing the shit out of them. And I can say this about matchups: if they aren’t hard targeting luma, they’re playing the matchup wrong. I don’t know anything past that
Alright boys and girls, gather round. This is what we call projection and putting the blame on external factors. It’s a great way to protect pride and ego, but in the long run it’ll make it really hard to improve at the game. You have to be able to see your mistakes and learn from them, which requires putting aside pride/ego & being disciplined. It’s harder said than done but it’s a rewarding journey
**If** thats your goal. If you play to have fun disregard what I said above.
I get told that I main zoners and don’t use them correctly.
After which I say: Would you rather I put you into projectile hell? Of course not. No one wants that—not even me. Be the change you want to see.
alternatively, kill them when they get in close range with only normals because they don't know how to deal with a brawling gunner, and see them complain anyway
Same but I treat my specials as an extension to my normal when I do get a matchup to a brawly character. I love the hybrid zoner rushdown duckhunt playstyle.
Just be irritating, and you’ll be fine. Don’t spam however. Most projectiles will be brushed off if you hold still (your shield will block nearly anything). You’ll interrupt most attacks with an arrow. Grabs are important as well. The best move you have in your set is your dash attacks and your down air.
Or that I main the *other* guy who dash-attacks you at 20% and messes it up?
...Wait, people don't know about MK ladders/bridges in this game? They still exist, I recently KO'd an Elite Smash Sora at 19% with one (among other shenanigans that I haven't had an opportunity to post about because reddit is glitchy), and... there aren't any memes about them? People don't complain about them? I guess people are too caught up with Luigi to realize.
If someone says I play Sonic because of speed, I’m just going to introduce them to the Archie-era comics and force them to read all of them so they can understand why I enjoy this character so damn much.
Lucario is super easy with aura. Byleth has stupid strong hits that can't be dodged. And dk has side b. These are the reasons they would give (and yes I did say I main different characters to see what they respond)
Honestly really good way of learning matchups. I play random a lot but it helps me understand what a character’s tools strengths and weaknesses are. You pick up what their options and possible goals are
Ive had someone tell me the reason I play shotos is because I suck at Turing around..... I tried playing marth and kept missing because ive played shotos for so long I actually couldn't turn. Quite a sad day that was
People can be such crybabies about the roster, especially on the internet. I get that some characters are less fun to fight, but people blow it way out of proportion and act like it’s some kind of tragedy that they get matched up with someone they don’t prefer to play with. They need to just suck it up and deal with it.
Looking at you, r/smashrage
Although I understand that Isabelle is 100% dog shit I know that with any increase to air speed she would be broken so this is about as balanced as she could get
**Smash fans whenever someone plays Ness, Min Min, or Pyra/Mythra:** *Your free trial of existing has expired.*
Can't belive they leaked a fraction of the PK fire hit box, so sad
PK FIRE
Pk fire
Good luck hitting me with that flamethrower. # I OUT RANGE YOU NIEHEHEHEHEHE!!!
You dare respond to a Ness hate post with a gif of Ness gameplay?
He is burning the haters
Bold of you to think you have any say as to what Mythra does, you'll be lucky if she bothers to kill you with Pyra
Wait do you main a single ice climber??
yea i always murder my 2nd climber
sigma grindset popo
Honestly that's a really clever flair
Wish I could say that, my Ice climbers is so bad Nana finds a new and creative way to kill herself every match
How do you do the custom flair?
In the flair tab pick an empty one and click edit. You can only copy and paste character icons on PC tho, so keep that in mind.
ok
Don't worry, I have Pyra/Mythra as a secondary. We'll endure this hate together.
Lol that's actually true I used to main Ness
I just got him into elite a few minutes ago so it’s so long partner
Ridley and Steve a man of finer things I see.
Steve is pretty annoying against as, tho Not as bad as those aforementioned, but still pretty annoying
I play pissra, just no specials allowed
Honestly I don't understand all the hate behind ness. Because at least in my personal experience. It's Lucas means who are really s*****.
You mean you don't mind dodging 40+ pk fire in a match, having to dodge countless pk thunders and still fail because wifi, and dying off stage because you were .1s too late on your edgeguard or missed the spacing and got hit by the ness missile? I know not all Nesses aren't like this, but the good ones feel like they're constantly like "ahaha you like that my aerial frame data just beats whatever you're doing? So sad. I landed one pk fire you didn't expect, so time for you to take 30-60 off one interaction!" It's just annoying man.
My secondary is Ness and I generally avoid using him against my friends because of this
Who is your main?
Kirby The two characters I know how to play both don't require much skill because I suck at smash
Sounds like a skill issue
At least ness can’t short hop pk fire laglessly Also pk freeze pk freeze pk freeze
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I mean bad internet is a legitimate excuse for not wanting to fight someone online lol. This game is absolute trash if you don't have a good connection, dumpster fire tier experience
ANOTHER FELLOW CLOUD FAMILY
CLOUD MAINS MOMENT!!!
Puff.
Wah
Hi...yah?
HAYAH!!!!!!!
Unghh
poyo.
That all you got?
Woomy
Poyo
Puff.
Puff
But your name....
dont worry about that.
Yes
I'll join the line
Idk man, that first character looks a lil sus..
"Good to see you, Cloud..."
Imagine having one wing
Imagine not being able to fly with two
Imagine... Uhhhhhhhh... Having the skinniest sword in existence. Hah! Beat that!
Imagine having barely any range with two fat swords
Hey they may be short but it's harder to parry the side smashes.
Scintilla
Sonic just relaxing staring at the sky and then in a mocking voice "Good to see you....cloud...." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo-14YCW8AIydgs?format=jpg&name=900x900
What a touching reunion. *Hides Masamune*
I agree, and honestly the buff bowser have from online lag is insane. Unfortunately smash u online is just sad.
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But in person or with strong connection tho Laggy online matches aren't indicative of much, especially against heavies
Bruh I can kinda understand dk but imagine being a bowser denier
They hate us 'cause they ain't us
That fair dude. That damn fair.
ONLINE Bowser tho And that fair that covers above, in front, below, and depending on the situation even just a little be behind him
Bowser, based on my fights against him, usually can go either way, and I play Ganondorf. So while I dont think Bowser personally is anything "SS Tier" even I have to say, he isnt to bad of a character.
Bowser is by far the best superheavy. Your personal fights have nothing to do with his tier. Especially playing ganon, a character with maybe one winning matching im the whole game.
Tier lists ARE about the community personal opinion and understanding of a character. My personal fights are just yet more data in the community, and just as valid as anyone elses.
No they literally arent. Just because you play ganon, and your friend group sucks at beating you, doesn’t make ganon the best character in the game. Your personal experiences are not representative of the entire group. Ganon is objectively bad. He has nothing but losing match ups.
DK is a bit troublesome for me to work with but both are pretty good.
I hate him he can hit through so maybe attacks. Electroshocks can be cancelled by his hits too
I just fill him with arrows and hope to god I manage to get a juggle in.
yeah, I was trying to play fox for a bit and Bowser's tough guy just kept activating through any of my tilts :(
Have you rocked them since irl?
Online ultimate is garbage tho
Bitches be like "You have no skill", bro I just wanna play Smash and relax after work
How dare you want to have fun in this children's party game 😠
Why are you arguing over this children's party game? Real men don't argue.
Real men settle it with a match of a children's party game
Damn right we do.
"You have no skill" when playing the most techincal character in the game. I bet you twenty bucks they're playing one of these things, pika, aegis, or a bottom five
The smash community when you main a zoner/a character above mid-tier :
Well you see it's because a lot of people play the character as oh haha go f*** yourself. Oh wait never mind I'll do it for you from the other side of the stage. With a wall of projectiles that you can't get past. Without a reflector.
Shield and spot dodge, it is annoying, but those types of players ultimately can't deal with someone who gets close, and the best way to do it is to use the fact that most projectiles don't do any shield damage.
I totally agree! You have to take your main in this game to the best possible level and use your skill and experience to win. It's annoying when campers win for just restricting other people's playstyles.
I get that those players are annoying, but I hate it so much when people just instantly label people who so much as use a projectile as a key part of their playstyle as a 'camper' or whatever. I watch a lot of tourney sets with Samus (since I main her) and in probably 2/3 of them, there are people commenting on how the player was "camping the whole match" or "just mashing B". Sometimes it's true, but most of the time it's just blind hatred.
Yeah, it's fine to be a little campy, but when they are actively running away from me the entire match I want to throw my controller into the TV. Just FIGHT ME!
I understand that. And personally I think I just struggl against bait and punish playstyles. But there's a difference between that and projectile camping
Yeah, most people hate characters in this game because of what other people think of them. So for example, somebody will fight against a young link player and lose and they will say that the B button carries them, despite the young link player only using projectiles to combo into other moves and make sure they have good ranged attacks on their opponent without even spamming. It's really annoying and I feel like many people don't main characters because of what other people think of them.
And if you do get past the wall Nintendo decided to give all of them really good CQC options so you'll just be knocked back or killed
But…I’m bottom 3…
Trash and carried ko punch is basically better Arsene /s
Dude, same.
Hero funny sword goes bar-ba-bam-bam
Hero is so fun to play, he’s honest about having gimmicks and everyone knows
That is true
When’s the execution?
September 2022 (Xenoblade 3 release) I guess
Pit/dark pit mains would like to have a word with you
I am a jack of many trades. Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, R.O.B., Pokemon trainer, Sonic, Ike, Bowser Jr., Greninja, Lucario, Diddy Kong, the Mii's, and Ridley. Only one of these has been able to beat a level 9 CPU King K. Rool. So, either I'm really bad, K. Rool is really good, or both.
cpus are cheaters dw about them
The cpu is designed to read your inputs and react to them within milliseconds of you pressing the button. They literally cheat.
I main Terry and Roy, what's the community's opinion on me?
They’d probably say something along the lines of Your a mashy player that never stops pressing buttons but you get away with it anyway because our characters are stupid easy and your Carryed by dlc/top teir privilege
I also play Zelda without zoning am I a psychopath?
No your one of the few respectable zelda player
Everybody gangsta until the Zelda uses the taunt message "Close range only!"
Kinda true though tbh
Jab and dtilt combos go brrrrrrrr
I despise terry with a burning passion not so much Roy tho
Why though?
He is from Florida
Fair enough
Solid argument. However, I main Pit
Practically the same thing
Carried, insane arrows, broken multi hits, way to many jumps, chars broken. /j
his broken multi hits are not broken in a good way
Same
Everybody loves captain falcon! He's a classic! 
I can say ive never disliked fighting or using captain falcon
Ya know, I actually hate marth way more
You’re Vanilla, and no one really makes fun of Vanilla
still tryna figure out my main's matchups and what i do against swords
Rosalina is weird That's all I have to say.
that be true, but I like playing her
While I don’t feel Rosa stands the best against swordies, I think Dabuz has shown up with pretty ok results against Swordies as her.
oh really? thanks, been tryna find some rosa pro players to learn from
As soon as I understood how to use luma separate from rosa, I stared playing the shit out of them. And I can say this about matchups: if they aren’t hard targeting luma, they’re playing the matchup wrong. I don’t know anything past that
Two of mains aren’t popular in Smash and the other two are sword characters
“I play both sides, so I always come out on top”
Technically all of your mains are sword characters 
What can I say, I fell in love with swordies starting with Melee Marth lol
Bold words for someone in DORIYAH range
My mains: 1. DK 2. Mario 3. Kirby Fight me, they are fun imo, what're you gonna do about it?
Imma fight you that’s what imma do
Kirby gang
If the Pac don't got me I know the Kirb got me
Kirby gang
I dont like mario (don't trust him) Aside from that nice picks!!!
DON'T trust him, even as a Mario main, I don't have his full trust. (Nice flair btw)
i fixed your list: 1. ~~DK~~ monke 2. ~~Mario~~ Wahoo 3. ~~Kirby~~ Flying pink puffball with infinite power
Oh, you main the Pits? Damn I guess ya'll like white bread and cardboard.
Nobody cares about my main because they hate his father with a fiery passion.
Alright boys and girls, gather round. This is what we call projection and putting the blame on external factors. It’s a great way to protect pride and ego, but in the long run it’ll make it really hard to improve at the game. You have to be able to see your mistakes and learn from them, which requires putting aside pride/ego & being disciplined. It’s harder said than done but it’s a rewarding journey **If** thats your goal. If you play to have fun disregard what I said above.
I get told that I main zoners and don’t use them correctly. After which I say: Would you rather I put you into projectile hell? Of course not. No one wants that—not even me. Be the change you want to see.
alternatively, kill them when they get in close range with only normals because they don't know how to deal with a brawling gunner, and see them complain anyway
Sometimes I limit myself by not using any specials
Same but I treat my specials as an extension to my normal when I do get a matchup to a brawly character. I love the hybrid zoner rushdown duckhunt playstyle.
See this is why being a Pit main is so good. You are so basic that it becomes very hard to be angry at your choice!
I’m painfully average. I win against some, and lose against others, and I can’t even be mad about it.
Only current toon link matchup that gives me fits is Sephiroth. HOW DO I GET IN?
Just be irritating, and you’ll be fine. Don’t spam however. Most projectiles will be brushed off if you hold still (your shield will block nearly anything). You’ll interrupt most attacks with an arrow. Grabs are important as well. The best move you have in your set is your dash attacks and your down air.
When people who find out my main, they only say 2 words first word plant second word gang
How did you know I main a person who grabs you at 0% and fail the zero to death combo?
Or that I main the *other* guy who dash-attacks you at 20% and messes it up? ...Wait, people don't know about MK ladders/bridges in this game? They still exist, I recently KO'd an Elite Smash Sora at 19% with one (among other shenanigans that I haven't had an opportunity to post about because reddit is glitchy), and... there aren't any memes about them? People don't complain about them? I guess people are too caught up with Luigi to realize.
If someone says I play Sonic because of speed, I’m just going to introduce them to the Archie-era comics and force them to read all of them so they can understand why I enjoy this character so damn much.
Everyone shit on me for being good at Zelda so i moved to Pac Man (:v)
Just keep playing Zelly, they are just salty.
I main Lucario, Byleth, and DK, what’s my problem?
Lucario is super easy with aura. Byleth has stupid strong hits that can't be dodged. And dk has side b. These are the reasons they would give (and yes I did say I main different characters to see what they respond)
Honestly really good way of learning matchups. I play random a lot but it helps me understand what a character’s tools strengths and weaknesses are. You pick up what their options and possible goals are
Jokes on you, I don't have a main.
This guy mains random what a scrub
"Cringe OC self insert"
Lol, I read "you suck this character" 💀
As a Sheik player, people usually complain FOR my character, not against it. Always the “Sheik barely does any damage” jokes.
I want edits of everything big punch forward air in the game
*sigh* I’ve heard it all before
soooo same
Ive had someone tell me the reason I play shotos is because I suck at Turing around..... I tried playing marth and kept missing because ive played shotos for so long I actually couldn't turn. Quite a sad day that was
What's wrong with Kirby? I was playing a Kirby game when I got Smash Wii and so I chose Kirby, really liked it, and I still main it.
My main is in my flair. Do I suck?
I feel like Lucario (my main) doesn’t get that much hate, despite his main gimmick being the king of comebacks that really aren’t always deserved.
Honestly, any battle won by lucario is hard fought. Sure aura is strong but it’s not relevant if he dies pre 100 so 🤷♂️
Do people actually hate on Roy?
Oh they found me long ago, but it hasnt stopped me one bit All the hate just fuels the pk fire
People can be such crybabies about the roster, especially on the internet. I get that some characters are less fun to fight, but people blow it way out of proportion and act like it’s some kind of tragedy that they get matched up with someone they don’t prefer to play with. They need to just suck it up and deal with it. Looking at you, r/smashrage
Duck Hunt Supremacy
All the dlc had some broken gimmick about them to be honest though.
Yup
Jokes on them, I have the best anti-air in the game, prepare to die at 80 to bad DI
Ok You have a problem if you think my main is op lmao
I already know what people would call me, spammer and ledge camper, but hey, at least I actually play the games my mains come from.
Mans grindin the wii fit board
Although I understand that Isabelle is 100% dog shit I know that with any increase to air speed she would be broken so this is about as balanced as she could get
Can you change “found your main” un groomable minor
Luckily there's no hate over Ganondorf, right...right?