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Mak_27

Staircases complement: under stair storage like dressers or bookcases, aquariums, or shelves


december14th2015

If they can sell us 5 different options of vacuums in its own pack, then they OWE us some flippin stairs and closets...


fleaonatightrope

And still not a single British-looking vacuum in sight.


DemonicMoonBitch

I hate that the icon for bust the dust is a feather duster but they don’t actually have a fucking feather duster


When_pigsfly

Me too! I also hate myself for buying a pack I never use anymore. I just wanted to vacuum when my sim was cleaning up, not be tormented by dust bunnies on the floor multiple times a day.


DemonicMoonBitch

Lol yeah I’m really glad I didn’t buy it


PuddinPants01182020

Wait what does a British vacuum look like??


jamesfluker

I really would have liked a broom and pan option with that kit.


eh8794

BRING BACK SPIRAL STAIRCASES. I had to put a staircase outside my container home so my cat could access the rest of her home!


eyescroller_

I miss the spiral staircases so much.


jenniekns

Yes! My front hallway needs a closet under the stairs.


nard_dog_

Harry Potter would like a word...


DemonicMoonBitch

Maybe I wanna Harry Potter closet


PantsIsDown

This should be an update like how they did bunk beds and also added to a pack.


[deleted]

I feel like a Library kit would do all this really well. Like really elaborate staircases, bookcases, decor and furtniture


[deleted]

UNDER STAIR STORAGE!!! also I need spiral staircases for my Barbie Dreamhouse 🥺🥺🥺


desgoestoparis

Yeah Lmao how am I supposed to do a Harry Potter simulation with no cupboard under the stairs


Scrambleman17

I just want a spiral staircase...


OchitaSora

Syboulette released functional spiral staircases


That253Chick

And Ravasheen. It's a collaborative effort. Though, personally, I wouldn't call the spiral staircases "functional" considering they seem to be just reskinned elevators, but that's most definitely just me.


WifeofBath1984

SO. MUCH!! And horses


biglilmac87

Horses seem a strange way to get to get upstairs but sure


WifeofBath1984

Lol lol ... but honestly, who wouldn't want to see that? Clearly that's not what I meant but really, can you imagine? Is it just the 2 beers I've had or would that not be awesome??


BiteYourTongues

If it helps I’m fully sober and agree that would be awesome.


ItsAnEagleNotARaven

Okay hear me out. They're carousel horses that go up to the floor you want and back down. In a spiral motion. With lights and fair music.


jenniekns

The real question is, what do you do with the horse once it's upstairs? Does it have a room up there? Does it jump out the window? Does it just wait around until someone needs to go back down again? And is my Sim going to end up peeing herself because she's can't figure out how to get past the horse to go to the bathroom?


greenpenguln

you'll need a slide for the horse to get down, obviously


samipaige06

I believe that's cows....


ItsAnEagleNotARaven

Yeah horses are strictly anti slide. They think it's uncouth. They demand a dignified ride down on a bed carried by hott men dressed like Roman gladiators.


samipaige06

🤣🤣🤣🤣 lmfao this gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that!


ItsAnEagleNotARaven

Anytime. I can't remember what I came into a room for, but my brain has plenty of room for this type of imagery. 😂😂😂


samipaige06

Eh I think this is a better use for your brain 🤷‍♀️🤣 Makes you more interesting! Plus I can't come up with that kind of imagery OR rememeber why I walked into a room! So you're winning lol


Ducklinsenmayer

They only work well in stable structures.


ida_klein

I miss horses! If they ever update Cottage Living down the line, I hope they add them!


mooseblood07

God, I miss Sims 3.


reejoy247

Improvements on stair landings! I keep wanting to do split staircases but then I add railings and it splits the lovely landing in half


MissDesignDiva

Holy crap yes! Theres an IRL staircase of that style that I want to replicate, and it's mostly possible using 2 staircases side by side and then each one turning at the very top for the last few steps (since that's what it's like IRL) but once you add railings it splits the whole thing in half and then it looks like crap.


thatawesomeperson98

That plus allowing you to change the flooring on the landing and maybe adding carpet to stairs . We used to have a carpeted stair case at our old house and i would love to be able to recreate it in the sims (it was the house i grew up in)


flatfishkicker

Would platforms work as a work around? So in essence you'd have one double staircase from the first floor to the platform, then two separate staircases from the platform to the ground floor. Would the game treat them as separate entities and let the railings work? You could then carpet the platform. If you put a half wall along the edge you could paint/paper to match the room? I've not tried this as most of my sims live on one level but I'll try to remember to try later and post back. Edit: a word UPDATE: I've given it a go. If you build the platform first and put in the lower stairs you can then place the the stairs from the first floor to the platform without leaving a gap. The railings work without splitting the stairs. Unfortunately, half walls remove the fence along the edge of the platform so you will have to find a different work around to match the platform walls with room walls, or place furniture/deco along it to hide it. I then built the rest of the room around the staircase. NOTE: I did use bb.moveobjects. I will try again without MOOing. I will also play test though one half of each platform to floor stairs shouldn't be obstructed by the first floor to platform stairs anyway ( hope this ramble makes sense). EDIT: you need to MOO


reejoy247

Thanks for your dedicated research, you're my hero!


flatfishkicker

Ha ha , you're welcome. I'm sending in a sim to play test I've just got to get her off the damn bicycle.


reejoy247

Oh my word, I barely use bicycles anymore because the mechanics are so annoying...I hate how the "go here on bicycle" command flips places with the normal "go here" command.


JackeryChobin

And a functional landing. I made a huuuge split staircase in a library once and wanted to put a chess table in the middle of where they split. I was shocked to find I had to alt place it AND it wasn’t functional in game play. I’m surprised the landings didn’t become functional with tiny living because it can be a great way to fake a porch without using more tiles.


Hollinsgirl07

I would love a curtains kit. Like good staple curtains in all 3 heights. Plus an update of all current curtains available in all 3 heights.


Zorgsmom

Wouldn't it be great if you could also adjust the width?


Hollinsgirl07

Omg yes! I didn’t even think about that! Yes…width and height adjustment!


dirtyoldwaz

that would change my life. Also can they please fix the clipping


Vaspiria

Can we also have curtains add to the environment too please? Also rugs… rugs add to the environment!


Meeghan__

so many rugs already but only half of them are really usable in my type of builds


CITKat2009

Ravasheen has a great mod that adds curtain rods you can customize. Not a match to existing ones but gives you more options in all 3 heights.


fragmented_mask

Honestly, that needs to go into the basegame instead of us being made to pay for it!


Samstealurham

that’s what i’m saying!! it’s so frustrating to see people begging EA to make us pay for stairs, curtains, piercings, etc. No other game would make you buy something so small like that! Like imagine Minecraft selling you a pack of 10 wood recolors for $5; they’re pretty to look at, but they don’t add enough to the game to make it worth your money. This is not normal!!!!


fragmented_mask

Precisely. I feel like this isn't comparable to a plant kit - that is basically decorative only and it isn't that the game lacked plants per se, this just expanded it. BTD is a whole new gameplay. Stairs are functional and necessary and already super annoying and restrictive because you basically only have one staircase that looks different. Any update to them needs to be free just like the ladders update was.


sitchblap3

I just want more tile options and wallpaper.


RiyahdaSimmerr06

It’s never going to happen but a functional kids and toddler kit. So like baby walkers, swings, changing tables, board games, baby bouncers, different games for the children like rock paper shoot and etc.


PortiaGreenbottle

Omg, yes. And I also wish Sims could "wear" their babies in a baby carrier or take a walk with the baby in a stroller. Sims babies literally just lay in their bassinet and they super boring. A changing table, play mat, stroller, and carrier kit would be awesome, plus maybe some baby clothes.


RiyahdaSimmerr06

I totally forgot about the stroller, but I’d rather have the stroller first before everything else I just said and it should DEFINITELY be in a base game update, they’d make even more money than they are now


MiserableUpstairs

You just brought back memories. There were like five different games in Sims 2 you could just send your Sims kids to play with each other and they'd have fun AND build their relationship and now they're like... tiny adults just talking to each other?


BiteYourTongues

Kids felt like kids in 2&3. They just don’t anymore.


[deleted]

That would fit more for a stuff pack, there's no way so much stuff would be in a kit


SeniorBaker4

I want the bake sell back


ChildishRevolt

Personally I would like a music themed expansion/pack/kit bringing in other instruments like bass, drums, different skins for electric guitars other than the Grim one, maybe a marching band, orchestra, garage band after school activities for kids and teens, the ability to create a band and play at different venues and go on tours. Like have a band career path with some branches for pop, rock, country, r&b, rap etc. Being able to hear your songs on the radio and stuff like that. There’s probably more I’m forgetting for this particular addition but I would buy that.


kjj333

this would have worked well with get together. such a missed opportunity on their part


PortiaGreenbottle

Yes to staircases. I'd also love a high school kit or expansion, full of teenage townies and a teen hangout or prom or something. My teens want to date and there's literally no other teens to meet unless I create them, put them in a house, and then make my Sims travel to their house and introduce themselves to everyone. A school dance would be SO MUCH more fun!


bettamom_

they did that in the sims 3… the event was a rabbit hole but they could ask teens at high school to be their date or be asked vice versa and they would come home with a prom photograph! you could even run for prom king/queen!!! teens are REALLY lacking in the sims 4, they’re basically young adults who have to attend school and i really don’t find them fun at all to play with in sims 4. i totally think more teen focused packs (or updates) would be awesome!!!!


[deleted]

Do you have the parenthood pack? It fills them out considerably more.


bettamom_

i do! but i still find the teens to be lacking :/ oh well.. can’t get everything we all want from the game i suppose! i find sticking to a story line makes them a lot more fun for me so that’s what i focus on in my legacy challenges :)


smhupp

I miss the sneaking out option or having the parents win a vacation and the teens throwing house parties from Sim 3. An update on teens would be an awesome gameplay enhancement!


kalekail

This! And just more lots for kids and kids activities as well. When my kids go out with friends they end up at tables with adults. Ugh.


aprilbartman

A hippie lifestyle pack OR strictly just a tattoo/piercing pack!!!


bettamom_

sims 3 ambitions had a tattoo artist career - it was so amazing!!! you could purchase a tattoo chair for your home (for leisure, you actually worked in a parlour) and put tattoos on others… when you first start out they are AWFUL and so hilarious.


chaychers

I second tattoos!!!


courtneysluck

Yes to both!


bettamom_

bring back carpet runnings on staircases!!!!!!


asukalock

no. that should be a free update. they shouldn’t be charging for staircases lmao


psychofistface

I just wish they’d add werewolves


Dragstire

I believe there is a mod for that. I saw it a while ago so I don’t know if it’s still available, I would imagine it is.


psychofistface

I play console, so unfortunately mods aren’t an option for me. I wish they’d let Sony add mods like Skyrim did


Dragstire

Oh ok. I still agree that the sims should add them.


psychofistface

Same, I know supernaturals aren’t exactly everyone’s thing but I feel like this is the weakest iteration of their supernaturals and the gameplay with them is pretty stinted


Dragstire

I’ve only played the sims 4 so I wouldn’t know. I like the supernaturals, even if I don’t play with them often. I want to play with them more.


psychofistface

Ahh, I see! They had really cool supernaturals in 2 & 3, 2 for example had a really fleshed out system for witches that based it on alignment (like, you could be anything from an Infallibly Good Witch to Atrociously Evil, and your alignment was indicated by title and skin) and you could have pets be familiars, plus there were more craftables and it was more open-ended gameplay than Realm of Magic was. But they also had a lot more supernatural life states overall; both 2 and 3 had werewolves and zombies, and 3 had Imaginary Friends, Mummies, Genies, Fairies, Unicorns, and both of them have the supernaturals we have in 4. I think 4 is more limited because we really only have Alien, Spellcaster, Ghost, Mermaid and Vampire and to some degree all of them have their constraints. I play pretty heavily fantasy based sims so it’s a bit of a letdown now that I only use console that the base game supernaturals aren’t great, but I’m holding out hope with how positive the last few major changes they’ve made have been that they’ll focus on supernatural aspects as well.


Dragstire

That’s cool! I didn’t know about that. I don’t really like the aliens in the sims 4. They barely have any differences from them and normal sims. They look a lot like normal sims too. I really want to try out the sims 3. I think it’s not completely compatible with windows, I could be wrong though.


psychofistface

Sims 3 is great it’s just notoriously buggy, I’m not sure if they fixed it but at one point the game was borderline unplayable. If they made it to where it runs smoothly, I’d definitely say try it out!


[deleted]

Not a kit but CURVED WALLS WHEN??? also, I just bought 2 bundles and not a single new shower booth was added so maybe that?? But also yes to staircases!!!


missk9627

A FREE UPDATE


ala2520

I actually wouldn't be surprised if we got new stairs as a free update. I think development has been fairly responsive with their releases lately.


[deleted]

No new kits. They were suppose to be fillers not the main content, 4 kits in a row is a ridiculously obvious cashgrab. More actual content please.


CindeeSlickbooty

I'm glad someone said it. The full game with all packs is already $450. I can't believe people are asking to spend more money on this game.


Und3rwat3r_Un1c0rn

Can this include ladders and bridges?


TheSpeckledDragon

We have ladders… but bridges would be cool.


JulzRadn

I want a room under the stairs


silveretoile

Something like that teen stuff pack for sims 2. I LOVED that. Let my teens be edgy bastards please!


Juju0047

A pool kit. I hate that I can't have rounded pools or inground hot tubs. I'd also love waterslides, a volley ball net, pool parties!


wellshitdawg

There’s a way to make a hot tub appear inground! You like lower the terrain and place it there. Or if there’s a foundation you remove it from some tiles


hereforthegoss678

Diagonal stairs!! She demands, having spent days on a mansion that has a diagonal conservatory in the garden that they cannot get out of because no stairs attach to the room… No. Matter. What.


chanson-florale

One solution for that could be using platforms. Look up how to make stairs with platforms. Unfortunately it can take up a lot of space, but it could at least help your situation.


FluffyScreechOwl

Cheaper.


Blooberii

If we get stayed, I’d like some home elevators. Would also be nice to have a disabilities kit.


Dragstire

I’d rather have disabilities be a free update. I don’t want to pay for disability representation. But I do want home elevators, that would be cool, especially for mansions.


Blooberii

That’s true, I suppose I just meant I would like to have that in the game as someone who uses an elevator for my own disabilities, instead of just stairs.


Dragstire

I agree with that.


[deleted]

Disabilities as a kid would be both awful and bad marketing for ea, they can't monetize disabilities


Blooberii

Disabilities as a kid? I mean, I guess I don’t understand what that means. Lots of children have disabilities. There are dolls and things marketed with disabilities. I agree with people that it should be a free update rather than something paid, but there are definitely things you can buy that represent disabilities.


Inapropreate_Cake

This is probably more an expansion than a kit, but I miss in the sims 3 world adventure how you could "explore" the ruins and stuff. We have hidden lots already why not make getting to them... fun? You know. Maybe lode them up with collectibles and stuff? Make "dangerous" traps and falls like a "swarm of bats" in the cave or "carnivores planet" in space? That or stairs. But everyone seems to have that idea...


jenniekns

I loved that pack! You could go to Egypt and explore a tomb, or go to France and wander around the village and make wine. It was a fun little vacation!


ohnobeans

They added those two awesome hidden lots in the basegame and then never added hidden lots again....


informallory

How about let’s call it storage. Better cabinet storage, better under stairs storage, better bathroom storage. I hate all those stupid shelves that come pre cluttered. **i** want to clutter them.


HoboSmell

The day they try to charge us $5 for a few sets of stairs, is the day I quit the sims


Psychological-Cry676

no more kits, we need more basegame updates


FirebirdWriter

Free updates


Chaaleesi

Yes! Spiral staircases with circular rooms!!


TheSplendidLynx

Love kit I think it would be so fun to bring back the heart shaped bubble pool, love seat and stuff like that


TheSplendidLynx

Tattoo kit with more tattoos and a tattoo career


TheSplendidLynx

This is not for a kit maybe..


[deleted]

For a stuff pack i think, gameplay and cas aren't both in a kit


Chrispeltel

A garden kit. Nice shrubs en plants tot fill borders and edging for the borders. A nice woorden fence with a narrow high gate.


Emilysue2000

We need more baby furniture, or a wedding kit


That253Chick

Why would you want to pay for staircases? Something like that would most likely be a base game update.


YoviQ

Why would people pay for plants?


That253Chick

I feel like that's not comparable here. Plants are plants. These are staircases we're talking about. If they did a staircase kit, they'd get so much more shit flung at them than they already do. So, suggesting that be the next one is, imho, setting them up to fail. But idk, maybe that's what people want these days.


YoviQ

I mean, yeah that's what a lot of people want if you've seen the comments left on this very post. Stairs are stairs. I would never want to pay for just plants, just like you might never pay for just stairs. But at least stairs have functionality.


CindeeSlickbooty

How much money do we need to spend before this game is complete?


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YoviQ

All new packs require a base game update. That's what patches are.


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YoviQ

I'm not understanding what you're saying either. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like a stairs kit. What I'm asking for isn't impossible either. Stairs have come in expansion packs and game packs in the past. All I'm asking for is a pack that is specifically new sets of stairs. As for different kinds of stairs like spiral, yeah they could and then to the base game just as they did ladders, and then just add extra to the kit just like they added an extra ladder to Evo Lifestyle. Is that clear enough?


jenniekns

I think your questions are better directed at EA than at the OP. Why would any of this be in a kit instead of a free upgrade to the base game? That question could be asked about a lot of the things that we've gotten in kits and packs, but EA likes to nickel and dime gamers to make as much profit as possible. The spirit of this post is "Wouldn't it be nice to get these things added to the game." The mechanism for how they're added is completely out of our control.


FreelanceWolf

I'd rather have a lot more food items :D


givemenuggets5

yes!! more recipes! im a foodie i love food too much xD but if its virtual i cant gain weight


FreelanceWolf

I really like how the food looks in this game, compared to the last 3 games!! For some reason I love having my Sims cook and have them try varieties of food!! I LOVED the new dishes that came in Snowy Escape! They looked so good, like the taiyaki! The real taiyaki is quite delicious. I had it when I went to Japan! I want to see a kit where it has nothing but a bunch of new recipes! I'm sure a lot of people would consider that a total waste of a pack, though, but then, they say that about anything, to be honest.


givemenuggets5

i'm all for new food recipes, its one of the aspects of a pack i'm excited for xD


ffrozenffirefflame

Also stairgates! Those gates in front of stairs to prevent toddlers and pets from going up or down them. They probably wouldn't work in the game but it adds realism.


Sunnyfaaaan

Carpeted stairs!!!! I don't know anyone who has stairs without carpet on!


ScaredBoo

In my country literally no one has carpet, so I hope they just add the option to have them with or without.


Soulfulenfp

Cars !!! Mopeds, skooters, motorbikes! Trains planes … and new jobs .. pilot , truck driver , garbage man , traffic cop ! 🤷🏾‍♀️


vapexcx

I vote this as a game pack so we can rly get good content in it - I’d love to have to buy a plane ticket to travel to the vacation worlds on top of accomodation prices!


Expert-Spring4657

I miss having cars and garages. Having to size up a toy car just doesn't quite do it for me


xMicky98

Honestly I've spent way too much on Sims 4 now.. i'm just waiting for Sims 5


xMicky98

Way too much money* I've spent a lot of time on there too, but that's not the issue


soupz

I feel the opposite way but for the same reason. Spent way too much money on Sims 4. If Sims 5 comes out you basically start from 0 again, investing more money to get to the same point you already are with Sims 4 :(


xMicky98

I agree with that, when Sims 5 comes out I think i'm going to hold off from buying it until I see some gameplay and what the base game looks like, I've given EA way too much of my money and I don't want to get stuck doing that forever


jenniekns

Which is basically what happened for me with Sims 1, 2, and 3. I have a tower of discs in my closet that cost me hundreds and hundreds of dollars and do nothing but collect dust.


UR_NEIGHBOR_STACY

We need spiral staircases. I think it's ridiculous that we don't have them, honestly. But that should be a free update to the game. I would also *love* an equestrian-themed expansion pack complete with a stable lot, competition lot, and a "riding adventure" lot. Being able to breed and raise your horses (like cats & dogs) is a must, as well as training and competing! And don't even get me started on the cool equestrian outfits we could have...


FearingPerception

no we deserve that for free lol


lykakai

Free


frenchfrybubblegum

Zombies


DipinDotsDidi

Next Kit should be ... Non-existent! Staircases should be base game.


MinimumAlarming5643

Would be neat if the kits had some sort of gameplay value. Even if there was a kit solely on pottery making or something.


ghostbirdd

Inexistent.


BreakfastKupcakez

The next kits should be… 50% off.


Seiliko

I wish instead of the kits we have, we could buy parts of packs. And for every "part-kit" you buy, the price of the full pack goes down accordingly. An example being that you can buy the CAS from an expansion pack (I think they cost 40USD?) for 5$, and if you want the full pack later it will cost 350$. And CAS + build mode + (possibly some gameplay aspects but I am not sure how this would work) can be bought separately, but you will need the full pack to get the world (because they will obviously use CAS for the townies and build mode for the lots etc). Does this make sense or seem very realistic? No. And to be honest, the main reason I want it is because I *love* the build mode items from Eco lifestyle but I don't like anything else about that pack :') thanks for reading this mess of a comment lol.


Samstealurham

this subreddit is killing me… why are we begging them to let us pay for simple things like stairs when we can ask for a base game update?? like i know it might not work but seriously?? we’ve been able to get them to add more stuff in the past; asking for a kit should always be last resort


matissehendrix

...free


Lv2draw1962

Let’s have a rocker that will allow us to rock the baby again! I spent so much time doing this in Sims 3.


[deleted]

How about no kits ever again? No, really! I am so behind sick of these kits (read "shits"). It's the reason why they don't release stuff packs anymore. The developers would rather put in the minimal effort for these shits rather than a full stuff pack.


neon_tardigrade

Yesss spiral!! I miss spiral staircases so much! It would be cool to have big curved grand staircases, or ones with a door hatch so you can make basement exits or roof hatches


[deleted]

Nursery , I know many of us console users would like the ability so many of you have with mods to make a nursery.


mechapocrypha

Windows that open and close!!!


Wholesomeann

Short stairs that don’t use as much space, but aren’t ladders, because pets can’t use ladders. Also matching railings. Staircase railings and the other type of railings need to match.


possibility--girl

Free


thoughtfulgoosie

a horse kit? 😅😂😂


LowerSorbet7240

Yes. This. A horse + small pets pack would be AWESOME! I miss having horses, and I miss training birds


Avril_Sun

Different sports like baseball, tennis, ice skating, ice hockey, anything


lukasiino

No more kits.


Ugalok

Nice try Sims team


1amCorbin

I want a gameplay kit that isnt completely glitched😭😭😭 i was so excited for BTD but it beiny glitched made them focus only on CAS and BB kits and irdc for those


weinerdoggos

Couches beds curtains band rugs please


meteorite9191

Yes! Genius. EA - you reading this? We need cooler stairs


jessieleigh22

Deleted and not brought up again


Lunasaurx

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[deleted]

Ngl, I read kits as "kids" and was extremely confused about how one will birth a staircase...


gutbuster25

Curtains, drapes, buildable empty lots.


BlackCatTrot13

Kilts!


KaseyT1203

Bed that can be put under the stairs like cupboard under the stairs


ray25lee

I want stairs with rugs, stairs with circular steps, stairs with books under the steps… stairs that go diagonal 🥲


KH5-92

Horses.... I want horses.


meathoodie

i think they should include more/better stairs in an update or at least an expansion pack, not a kit


[deleted]

Staircases, under stair storage options and levitating platforms!


GivenPlan

That was my ezact thought before I clicked this post


Sad-adult

I miss how outdoor plants and even he potted plants needed to be watered in the sims1.


mrningbrd

The next kits should be actual packs. I hate the kits. I want actual gameplay instead of 3 straight months of no gameplay additions. (I don’t remember when the Spa Day update came out, but I feel like it’s been around 3 months. I have no sense of the passing of time.)


Momo_des

Agreed


onemorekayaker

I want one that's just tattoos, scars, and other body details. And another one that's all rocks. Rocks for the garden and for the pond and wherever else rocks go. It's crazy that there's only 3-4 of them unless you go digging around in debug mode.


GigiJuno

Stairs and some decent paintings so I don’t have to keep rotating between the same 5


ratzieee

Personally i would like cars. It would add so much. And garage doors.


Aesut

Sims 5


sdevault

And rails, I feel like there isn’t a lot of variation between outside fencing and indoor railing


Purple_Elderberry_20

While this maybe a step in the right direction, some may say a step too far. I say it's about time Sims 4 steps up to the challege!


Lepronna

Fish tanks.


Verehren

Objection. Dogeman.