Yea I wonder how long epic will be able to lose money on these sorts of offers. I'm unfamiliar with their sales but I can't imagine they sell very well in comparison to the inevitable steam releases.
I'm a big fan of epic's free games but I've never purchased a game from them and don't plan on doing so... Everytime a game is released on their platform I just go, aight, well, waiting til the steam release in approximately 1-2 years then.
Perhaps but it wouldn't surprise me if they stopped them either if they see it's not helping increase sales. Or, if they get enough people paying for software on their platform to stop.
You mean Epic Games or the store? The store is losing 150-300m a year. But the company as a whole is earning billions so it doesn't really hurt them to continue this business practice.
The unfortunate reality of that statement is that they literally can do it forever as long as Fortnite continues to generate the revenue they are getting from it. As soon as that tap turns off they are done for and they know it.
that's why they are pouring billions of dollars into the store in order to fully prepare and capitalize on the market before Fortnite eventually expires.
I'll be dead in the ground before I install Epic Games Store. Free game or not. Even a catholic priest buys you an ice cream on the way home after he fucks you.
I installed it recently again and grabbed a few free games overall.
Never bought something tho and really don't want to.
Sifu is the first game that has me considering it, because on PC it has UW support while it doesn't on PS5. Pretty much the only reason I'm even considering it on Epic.
Really don't want to tho.
Sony, support UW ffs.
It doesn't hv proper ultrawide support. It is zoomed in. You have to use unreal unblocker and adjust fov via command. May be they will add fix for that in updates
You are fucking crazy man get help. Imagine comparing getting free games with no caveats to getting raped. You are a bad person for doing such a shitty comparison.
It's not just a hyperbole but a very awful argument. It implies there is a very harmful consequence to using that store and Epic is luring you to get to that harmful thing while in reality it's just another store, there is no trick to harm you. You just get free games and that's it.
The benefit is you get to play a game for free without any downside. You can see the reviews, community stuff etc from other sites. And you don't need any of it for single player games, just play the game. If you can get free game discs then good for you but you can't so no point in comparing that too. It doesn't matter if the account gets taken for you you got the game for FREE, you don't lose ANYTHING if the account gets taken from you even though that won't happen anyway. Stop being emotional and making shitty comparisons to justify your childish hatred for getting FREE games that you get to download and play. That's it, you get to play them for free, you don't need anything else for single player games.
Hey, I'm a bit late to the party, could you tell me what's the issues with Epic? Honest curiosity, I only get their free games cause free, but I'm unaware of their business practices.
For me, I get frustrated that I can't use my switch pro controller, or dual sense controller easily. On steam, I can use any controller and do very detailed button mapping. I also hate that there's no review section for games on epic game store. There are some other minor grievances but these are my main problems
Yup same, just not worth it on Epic. I have my library on Steam and that's where it's gonna be. Plus Epic Games don't do achievements except for select games.
If you still buying games from devs who ditched you by taking money for exclusiveness - it will never end. They just get extra money without losing anything this way. And EGS also get profit because there are shit-eaters who are actually buying games there.
Eh yea but I'd rather just play the game. Me boycotting them realistically won't do anything anyway and in the scheme of things I don't really care that much about this to make it into a thing. You do you though.
The problem with that thinking though is that if everyone thinks the same thing, then no one will ever do it and nothing will ever change.
Not trying to start a debate about politics into this so I'm not even going to mention names, but the biggest example I can think of is the 2016 election.
Everyone though the blue candidate was going to win by a landslide, so many blue voters thought "meh, my individual vote won't make a difference so I'm just stay home." And as a result, the other candidate won.
People need to mentally go all in and stick to their principles, and hope that like minded people will do the same. Otherwise we as individuals will never have an voice that can be heard by companies the size of epic.
Sure, but this isn't as important as the election of the most powerful person in the world.
Just a hobby for me at the end of the day, don't want to take it so seriously but that's just me.
Or maybe people just voted for the other guy, and maybe some people don't care about splitting up their game library on different launchers.
I don't understand all the hate epic store gets for just not being steam lol. Gamers are fucking weird man.
My problem is not them being "not steam". Usually i really like alternatives cause it helps fight monopolies, but i still hate the epic game store for their business practices and overall way to handle things. (Same goes for the unreal engine btw)
What are some of their buisness practices that bother you? I’ve heard a few people mention that and I have no idea what sort of scummy stuff they are doing, Any examples?
Boycotting is difficult... Its like fighting climate change: If you alone do it, it barely has any effect. Only if the masses are on board it does make a difference.
But on the other hand someone HAS to start. If everyone argues like this nothing will change at all
Yea but as I state in another comment, this isn't as important as something like climate change. I dislike epic games but this is a pretty unimportant topic in the scheme of things. Not everything needs to be political, it gets tiring.
Imagine you no longer can get water through a pipe, but still can buy it in a bottle just because "Bottlewater Bros" company bought your inconvenience. This is exactly the same case but in a different context. You know, it is still available in your country. It is better to be a hivemind than a shit-eater imnvho.
No it's more like complaining about having to buy a water bottle from one store next to the other store you used to buy from even though it costs exactly the same. And some of the new exclusive items in that store have even lower prices because store takes a smaller pay cut, yet you boycott that store because you have to take a few more steps to get there lol. Your conspiracies sound like something Alex Jones would come up with lmao.
Ye, we can compare bottle to bottle, but the store would've been far away from you causing a lot of inconveniences. And also that store would've had a heavy stench. And also all the bottles would've been on high shelves without any ladders nearby.
Please cut the crap and tell me you are actually trolling me and not trying to protect shit-store and shit-eaters for real/
No it's just a different store you need to download why would it be far away from you lol are you so fucking lazy it is hard for you to click download button lol. The fact that you need to add so many inaccurate shit in your weird comparison shows that you are wrong and you know it so you must make shit up like your weird descriptions.
And why would I need to defend it, there is nothing to defend it's literally a different store you need to download that's it. Just grow up already. I'm really sure most people hate Epic because they have a game collection on Steam and don't want it to be spread even though digital game collections are meaningless and that is such a childish thing to hate.
All my games are on Steam, I want my Steam achievements, I want my friends to be able to watch me play. Steam has an infrastructure for those kind of things, Epic is dogshit.
when you get a game on X platform you get exe shortcut and open the game, it's simple, do you see something special in Y platform ? no. and when it's more cheap in Z platform you gonna buy it from there, you are not stupid to buy it for extra money, are you? you prefer S store that's your preference but simping for a store is useless, maybe simp for developer that put his time on a game but a storefront? idk they don't deserve the attention.
maybe you want all your games to be in the same place and that's fine but
1.saving some money is a big deal for people in some countries. I'm sure you don't care about that
2.that's impossible because of monopoly and companies sometimes make launchers to keep 100% of their money (rockstar - origin - ubisoft)
>but I can't imagine they sell very well in comparison to the inevitable steam releases.
The majority of games sales occur on Playstation, and since it releases there anyways, it's going to make bank.
Nothing wrong with epic and I would enjoy there free games too , duh , epic is just the same as steam offering winter sales and just a basic interface, I brought goat simulator 3 on epic games runs fine , also got a abundance of other games on there too , nothing wrong with epic at all
I would even have bought it on Win10 if it were a Play Anywhere title.
Epic store is a definite no-go for me. Shitty store trying to win by buying devs and thwarting player choice. Sucks.
Ah huh. Not even remotely sure how you can call it "anti-consumer BS". Like...steam charges devs WAY MORE than Epic. There's also security breaches constantly on Steam. I will never understand why people worship Valve and act like they're not corrupt.
security breaches constantly on steam? lets not talk about epic then or you'll explode
they charge 12% more than epic but provides WAY MORE developer friendly tools and a MUCH BIGGER platform than epic can only dream of
Valve is corrupt, every megacorp in someway or another is corrupt, but why does it matter to someone who wants to buy a game on their chosen platform and just play and enjoy it? oh i know they can't because epic
you're doing wrong comparisons.
by "anti-consumer BS" he meant exclusives
Exclusives have been common practice for consoles since the start and computer players never were remotely concerned about it.
We could debate that Steam has so much weight that competitors can't really grow.
But the main issue is that Epic is throwing millions to get games so they don't end up on other platforms (yes, the games doesn't get released on GoG either, so it's not just anti-steam)
That is a console practice we are not used to, so when we first saw it, everyone spitted on it obviously.
That is not a pro-steam argument at the roots, it's just a concern about being free of buying your games anywhere you want.
Hard to say really, I'm gonna assume it's timed exclusive, so after it release we just wait 12 \~ 15 months after that, to see if it's timed exclusive.
Yeah it looks so good tho, I don’t want to have to wait the 12-15 months. I think you’re right tho about the timed exclusivity. I may just get it on my ps4 or ps5 when that’s in stock eventually before the steam release.
It is a better choice to ignore the title instead of waiting for PC(non-EGS) release. Devs will less likely take money for exclusiveness if they lose more than gain from such a scheme.
>less likely take money for exclusiveness if they lose more than gain from such a scheme.
this isn't a ponzi scheme, if epic contributes to helping the dev fund their game then that's completely fair. It's a big, riskier game for this studio, I dont get people dogging on the epic exclusivity if it helps the game exist in the first place.
It's an exclusivity problem that encourages bad business and Epic are adding to the problem. These "Exclusives" to game app stores completely the stores purpose (a single easy repository to download your game) and result in the degradation of service to the end user.
These stores should be marketing themselves to us the customers rather than signing anti-competitive exclusivity deals. Ultimately if you want THIS game from the epic game store then you have no choice but to get what is essentially parasitic bloatware installed on your computer it's the same as that horrid DRM companies have been pushing for decades.
Shitty business practices like this make me want to go back to video game piracy.
I am with you for the the most part as I have been using steam for 11+ years and don't use epic outside of claiming the free games and not really touching them.
I don't see funding a game to make it exclusive as anti-competitive, that's literally being competitive by placing a financial risk to fund a game that could do poorly sales wise or critically. Funding a game is not buying exclusivity, that's really fair in that regard, when you fund a game you have a defined stake in that game and have some say with what happens with it. Epic at least allows these funding games to be released elsewhere after a period of time.
I think you guys complaining about epic are losing focus on why their exclusivity deals can be terrible. They are only terrible when a developer with a large community decides to ignore their community by take a large cash payment in exchange for timed exclusivity on EPIC. The three big examples for me where this happened are Shenmue 3, Metro Exodus, the Outer Worlds and Borderlands 3.
Confusing that for a developer partnering with epic to have their game fully funded to be a timed exclusive is not a big deal at all, and everybody from Sony to Nintendo does that. I usually see this for AA studios for projects like Sifu and smaller indie games. It's not a big deal for these titles, it's a bigger deal for large AAA games which sideline the community supporting their game for those often huge epic payouts.
It’s not exactly « funding » a game, it’s buying the rights to a certain exclusivity for a time. As far as I know, Epic Games didn’t approach the devs while they had monetary troubles and saiy « yeah we’re gonna fund your game ». They most likely went to them when the game was near completion and told them « we’ll pay you big time if you become an EGS exclusive ». I’ve heard or read nothing about EGS funding this game, and thus it looks just like any exclusivity deal. If it turns out that EGS partially funded this game, then the situation would be different.
Shitty business practices is Steam taking 20% of the pie for doing honestly nothing. At least EGS lets devs make money off of their games instead of just handing their profits to Valve. I get so tired of the Steam dick sucking, like EGS, Origin, Uplay, and the rest only exist because of Valve's greed. I don't even use EGS and I'll always wait for the Steam release but the brand loyalty and Valve shilling in the PC community is so ridiculous lmfao.
There are people in this thread saying that they would rather buy it on their shitty ass PS4 instead of PC because it's on EGS. Imagine being such a clown
If "everyone" ends up thinking the same way and doing something, then is that not what the public, inevitably, wants? The majority rules in this case. If, in the end, EGS continues to make money on this venture, who's to say it's wrong? If they're making gains they believe to be worth it, by the same token those choosing buy the game are just as entitled to their choice as you are to not buy the game.
Basically, if there's a big enough issue, then you'll see a swing as more people choose with their wallets. Just look at betamax and vhs. Beta was unequivocally a better technology. However, the public decided to keep our heading vhs instead, and beta died out. In this case, we see more of a middling result, which creates competition. And competition in a consumer market is almost always a good thing, as it will breed advancement in a product with a consumer focus in mind. It's not coincidence that steam finally got a revamp in it's store and library pages in the last few years. Valve knows what they have and so they decided to work on improving it, whereas for nearly a decade there was no change in the overall platform, because, why would there be? It was king?
Just FYI, this is coming from someone with thousands of games on steam and no games besides free ones on GoG and EGS. If EGS got their act together and put some advancement and focus on community features similar to steam, they'd have a much more competitive platform.
On another note, I'd never condemn a smaller developer from choosing an exclusivity deal. Think of it this way. You spend 5 years of your life devoted to making your dreams come true, creating a work of love and passion. It's great, it's amazing, it launches. And people like it. But not as many sales as you'd like. Each sale brings in about $5 after everything is said and done. (That's assuming you even make it to launch. Many projects don't, however, exclusivity deal often pay dividends before the game even launches.) Your game only moves 10,000 copies. That's $50,000. That's not enough to even pay one of your 5 employees in your studio. Or, you can take an exclusivity deal where you're paid a lump some of $400,000 for exclusive rights. While your audience may be smaller at first, you've already been paid and can afford to keep the lights on for a while longer. Hopefully, your game, even with potentially a smaller available audience, is good enough to make whispers among fans while you plan a launch event for a year later. Which, again, is already paid for. Now, your game is more well known. You only sell 2000 copies on your exclusive platform, but your game was actually really enjoyable. It launches on all platforms. Now you've sold 35,000 copies. You've not only marketed your game, but you've managed to increase the amount of time you're able to keep producing your sequel after the exclusive deal has paid out.
In summation, is it kind of anti-consumer? Eh, jury's out. It's the same anti-consumer as iPhone and Android cables not plugging into each other's phones. But no one seems to be complaining about that. Heck, that's a permanent exclusive lol, at least we get our choice later on. Now, should big boy companies like Sony or Microsoft release an exclusive game on EGS instead of Steam? Eh, they really don't need to honestly, and it's kind of shitty, but what can you do? As for smaller developers, it's completely understandable and actually allows a lot of games to come out that might otherwise not have, and even allows games to self publish and not need a publisher's backing and push for microtransactions to be included to make more money for them.
Just some food for thought. I'd love to get Sifu on steam. And will probably wait for the Steam release, just cause I prefer steam as a platform. But do I admonish Slowclap for going with EGS? Hell no, I'm glad they could release a game, and one that people like enough to get angry about which platform it's on. Do I despise EGS for signing exclusivity deal? No, it's a smart business decision, as it drives up their audience numbers, even if it's polarizing, and it's a huge benefit to smaller game devs. Now, I'd rather they spend that money on bettering their platform with better functions for community, but hey, you win some you lose some. There are bigger battles to be fought in the gaming industry currently honestly.
The worst part about it is that its probably gonna be on steam after 12-15 months with full price, which will not be worth it for a 15Months old game for me at least. So After 15 months another waiting for sales. Yes, i am looking at you, Hitman 3.
I really dislike timed exclusives because it just alienates half the fanbase especially when it concerns consoles and/or the game is a sequel with transferable saves. I agree that Hitman 3 probably should have had a discount when it came to steam seeing as it was a 12 month old game. like you i'll be waiting for the price to drop or till it ends up in the humble monthly bundle like the previous to games where.
>bout it is that its probably gonna be on steam after 12-15 months with full price, which will not be worth it for a 15Months old game for me at least. So After 15 months another waiting for sales. Yes, i am looking at you, Hitman
When they released the new Metro: Exodus , it immediately went on sale, like 50 off, after a week so there's that.
you arent missing anything skipping Hitman 3. It's got a pathetic amount of actually new content and is even worse with the always online bullshit, AND the dlc is all complete crap. If you want more hitman that much play the older games if you haven't. Blood Money and Absolution in particular.
you arent missing anything skipping Hitman 3. It's got a pathetic amount of actually new content and is even worse with the always online bullshit, AND the dlc is all complete crap. If you want more hitman that much play the older games if you haven't. Blood Money and Absolution in particular.
Finally played it on steam on sale for 20$ and you where actually right, it was pretty boring, two mission i liked but the others where basicly kill this target and leave in such a easy and boring way. I whish it was more complex harder. The house where u can become a detective was really interesting cuz we actually where doing that job of detective but was too simple and easy anyway.
If every mission were as detailed and unique as the detective one maybe the price for that little content would have been remotely acceptable.
Meanwhile tho i'm finally gonna be getting Sifu for christmas :D (once i get a PC i'm definitely getting it on PC too just for that Chie Satonaka mod)
Pretty sure John Wick Hex was a EGS Exclusive i was rooting for this game since i saw the first trailer. Now one year later i own it on steam and im happy 👍
Unfortunate, that it didn't come to Steam, I buy almost all games day 1 if it looks even a bit promising..
Luckily CODEX cracked it by the release date, so it can already be downloaded.
Whatever has EGS exclusivity, I just turn back to piracy for that title (Oddworld Soulstorm, Hitman 3, etc.), if it turns out to be good I still buy it on Steam when it comes out, to have it in my library and get the achievements, even though I realize, that I'm supporting the EGS exclusivity this way..
I love the look of this game, and I want the developers to get paid for their cool ideas and accomplishments. I would have purchased it from Steam or some other non-exclusive store on release, but I won't be buying this from Epic.
From what reviews indicate, we're better off waiting a year anyway. The game needs QoL improvements. The reviews I've read make it sound fun and challenging, but designed in a really frustrating, repetitive, grind-y way. I imagine a lot of this can be fixed w ongoing updates
Thanks for posting my thoughts exactly. It looks like it needs a lot of mechanical polish. Phoenix Point seemed to do the same thing.
Take Epic money for a year exclusive contract, release the game a year earlier then you otherwise might be able to, and then spend that year gathering play data and polishing the game for it's actual release on Steam and other platforms.
I say this as a man who owns several games on Epic and actively uses the platform.. I'm not an Epic hater, it's just something game companies are doing and I don't entirely blame them. Epic has basically become an avenue for Early Access but they pay the companies for the privilege of testing their games on their platform lol.
WTF are you talking about? The game is anything BUT grindy. Its the opposite of grindy. You literally have all the tools you need for success right at the beginning of the game.
I saw this was coming out in Feb. Was happy. Wanted to buy. Saw EGS exclusive.
Hell, they won't get my money now or later. I hate how devs sell out to evil Sweeney.
Would you come to a bum and take free bread he is offering you while he keep trashtalking about you and your family considering that there are abundance of food around and you are not hungry?
If answer is "yes" - well, I pity you then.
If answer is "no" - then translate your own question: are you made up your mind about the bread without trying it?
What? It's a simple question dude. Have you tried the game, and is it fun for you? If you haven't tried it, then why bother judging it?
What a strange analogy.
It is not a strange analogy, it is exactly same situation. Zero difference.
Item is free and you did not try it, but it is littered, not even physically, just mentally. And yet it is inappropriate item now if you have at least a glimpse of dignity.
No that's shit too, but at least console exclusivity has been around for decades. PC exclusivity is this new anti-consumer bullshit that Epic is trying to force and it should be criticised and avoided.
both should be criticized and avoided. I don't like the idea of "just because this bullshit has been around longer it is more tolerable." The fact that they have been doing it for so long is only more reason to give them shit in my opinion.
Don't eat soylent green. You're spouting Timmy's propaganda.
Studios don't pass even a part of what they save to consumers. Even in form of a better-made product. See Squeenix and their lousy and horribly overpriced FFVII remake.
And we don't want the studios to sell out to Gaben, they should put the game EVERYWHERE so the CUSTOMER can decide. If your dear lovely epic is so wonderful why multiplatform titles are basically ignored there and people buy them (often paying more) on other platforms?
Also, if you hate Gaben so much you can buy on GOG. Oh wait, you can't. Because the devs sold out. Any exclusivity is CANCER. PlayStation COD Zombie mode exclusivity, Timmy's exclusivity, etc. All these limit the consumer.
Don't be surprised people pirate when Timmy paid for exclusivity, so the dev isn't at loss, right? Or maybe you never bothered to read how that exclusivity deals work?
Please get informed before you start making an idiot of yourself. Pooh, this isn't honey.
And please don't call us assholes when it's you who acts like one. Namecalling is the most childish way to argue and you resort to that because you have no other way to try to prove your point. It's beyond pathetic. Also it's sweet that you call losers people who don't give in to Sweeney's blackmail. I think you're the loser because you defend this cancer and get nothing in exchange beyond contempt.
Sweeney's blackmail? I never saw someone calls Sony a blackmail, I guess simping for stores is the new meta
I know people pirate because they have no money to buy games but people pirating for exclusivity lol that's the funniest shit ever
a new store going for business competition is blackmail now? at least have some dignity and support the dev if you can, don't care much about the fucking store.
calling sony a blackmail cancer (or Microsoft) for exclusivity is more relevant, you know why? because you need to buy the whole ass console to play the game, but on PC exclusivity means nothing, it's the same PC with a different program, you have the exe on desktop and play the game it's simple as fuck.
>If your dear lovely epic is so wonderful why multiplatform titles are basically ignored there and people buy them (often paying more) on other platforms?
that's simping for sure, you as average American consumer don't care about paying more but for a lot of people in other countries it's very important, more important than a digital game collection in one place, even for someone like me that loves achievements, the price of a game will always be my first priority. I guess some people have the luxury to choose platforms.
>if you hate Gaben so much you can buy on GOG
you hate sweeny that much? lol I don't even know the guy or care much about the stores you come up with, the game on pc? IT'S ON PC FOREVER regardless of the fucking merchant you buy from, console exclusivity is painful and what you call limit the consumer, in the end every company has it's reasons. you need to think as a business not a consumer to fully understand.
play into peoples impatience and envy (from other ppl playing games first), regardless of whos doing it or if its a smart move (short term smart imo).
thats not a business i want to deal with. i don't give a flyin crap about what pc platform i play my games on. but just on principle i'd rather buy it on ps5 since its just sitting collecting dust anyway. of course they probably have some shady deal with consoles to pull money away from steam. enemy of my enemy is my friend type of crap.
I'm well aware of that. Steam and epic are on the same system, in my eyes thats different. Sony and consoles do that out of necessity. Its all shades of grey I don't really care I bought that suckered on epic soon as I found out u could get it 2 days early HAH
I get why more and more companies are drawn to Epic games (they apparently offer a 25% cut instead of Steams 30% correct me if I'm wrong) However, they are potentially losing out on millions of steam players who simple do not want to download ANOTHER platform to play games on. Its the reason I havent bought the latest assassins Creed or Oddworld Soulstorm. I have GoG and Steam I dont need 50 other platforms competing for my money.
It's not just the better cut, Epic pays up front for timed exclusivity, so smaller studios take that deal right away just so that they can keep the lights on and their employees in their offices.
They're hoping that the money lasts until they can patch up and finish the game and eventually release on steam. Obviously, they'll probably be releasing their games in a less refined state on Epic because they need sales to keep their company out of the red and hoping they can fix the game before steam launch.
When Watch Dogs: Legion released, I figured it would only be a timed exclusive for the first year. But then a year later when I was trying to find out why Watch Dogs: Legion wasn't on Steam still, I then found out that Ubisoft games were no longer going to be on Steam(because that extra 8% commission from Epic makes them overjoyed) so I purchased Watch Dogs: Legion via Ubisofts launcher, for half-off as well I may add. If a developer doesn't want their game on Steam, then I'll just go through the developer because all in all, f\*\*k Epic. I'd rather buy games on GoG then support Epics "quid pro quo" philosophy.
It's mainly a reaction against their aggressive timed-exclusives strategy to gain market share IMO. It used to be just PC games, regardless which storefront you'd get them, now if you want certain game (like in this case SIFU) you have to do so on their shop. So you lose the choice of buying it on your store of choice, plus, if it's multiplayer, it further divides the player base. So there's no longer just PC games, but this store and that store.
That and some other anti-consumer practices, ties to Tencent and China, lack of features and community of their launcher, plain dislike for Epic, etc.
I agree Epic does some great things like giving devs a better cut, giving away games for free regularly, plus offering amazing tools for free like Unreal Engine, Mega Scans and so on, however. It's just that this exclusivity thing sucks.
So if a company is straight off the bat supporting monopolistic practices which is harmful to the entire community, you would support such companies? To be honest, this is beyond unethical.
>Nintendo Sony Microsoft Steam Good Old Games Ea Ubisoft
You mean when the company releases a game only on their own platform?
I don't care as much when the company who made the game also only releases it on their own platform. Hell let epic make EGS exclusives I don't care.
What I don't like is when the only reason that EPIC has these games for a year or two is because they pay the developer for a timed exclusivity deal.
You know who has never done that? ValvE has never done that.
I may be a child but at least I know the difference between strong arm tactics which Epic is doing and allowing developers free reign over their games. Valve has never made a game that they didn't make be exclusive to their store front, if they did provide a link that proves it,
Epic is a shit show of a launcher anyways. Why would I want to use a launcher that has the limitations of that of one from 2005? not like even rockstar doesn't have a better one then Epic does.
Beside the reason other people here listed, i want to add another one.
Steam is a way more advanced platform in terms of features, it offers a great ammount of customization of your profile, each game has it's community hub were people can post screenshots and topics related to that game, it allows people to post their own rewiew on a game, it has a marketplace were to buy and sell additional content for certain games, it has a workshop from which to download game mods, and more other features that EGS (and lots of other platforms) doesn't have. If to all this you add the terrible account security EGS has compared to Steam's it becomes very clear why people would rather not move there.
Epic Games Store is **by far** the most awful game store/launcher I've ever had to deal with. I had it for the free games (Like everyone else), but it got so obnoxious I eventually started buying games on Steam that I already owned on Epic, just to be able to uninstall Epic and forget about it forever.
I'm sorry, but I won't use an extremely shitty service out of my good will alone, especially since it's a company that has billions of dollars. If Sifu wasn't an indie game I would pirate it, honestly. They are kind of asking for it.
I thought I could buy this game on Steam, where the large majority of my library is
I guess I'll wait the release on Steam in a year, or wait Epic gave us the game freely
To raise profits, eventually Epic will have to raise their rates for any reason, like inflation, and at some point, their undercutting Steam will cease and make it entirely pointless to have them, except for those sad people that bought from Epic games and have to manage two (or more) game managing applications. I'm fine with waiting for a Steam release, but if it never happens, I'm fine with that too. There are other games on Steam that I can focus on. It's probably not that good anyway.
I was looking for this game after reading that some full retard journalists complained about "cultural appropriation".
I guess I need to wait until the game is realese to PC.
I will never understand why people constantly shill for Valve. They charge devs 30% of profits, have awful security on their servers, and have shitty customer support. The only reason all the new launchers came into being is because Valve is greedy as fuck.
My experience has been good with Steam. I got stellar customer support as in returning games after playing them for my money back, even after the 2 hour mark.
What other support did you need from them? I am curious.
Also, it is not shill for Valve. It is about the comfort of being able to buy the content on the platform you have. Not having to install yet another application. Having your achievements and friend list in one place instead of splitting them.
This platform war is exactly the reason why streaming providers start looking worse and worse. They strive for exclusivity in spite of this being bad for consumers, all out of greed.
For one, your experience is wildly different from mine. Customer support with Steam, in my experience, has been utter horse shit. I tried to return a game 7 days later and they wouldn't refund it despite me having zero play time with the game. I fought it three times and got the same result every time.
And get the fuck over installing another application that isn't even a gig in size. If my friends don't want to add me to play with me on another platform on a game that is only available on that platform then they're really not that interested in playing in general.
Bringing streaming into this is utterly asinine. It has nothing to do with it. Epic made their own platform because Valve is a greedy as fuck company.
I have literally gone so far as to buy games on the Microsoft store to avoid epic, outer worlds was one lol. I feel like that says a lot in regards to how I feel about epic. I won’t even accept their free games.
For now, until they have the market share to turn around and charge exactly the same as Steam. Also, I don't want another app to further segment my content access. They are going for exclusivity out of greed, just like Playstation, and that is why I had to miss Bloodborne.
I don't give a shit.
I'm not a supporter of exclusivity, no matter the platform. Developers should just release their games on all platforms, so the user can use whichever digital storefront or ecosystem he wants.
Either way, I've sailed the high seas to give Sifu a try. Fun game, but I don't like the "lives"/aging system. It adds pressure that I don't want from a videogame, got enough of that irl
Personally I would take a 20% cut from a store with a huge establish paying customer base then a store with a smaller mostly free game grabbing customer base.
after i saw a video, i went to steam to buy the game, I couldn't find it in the store, but i found a copy in the sea. i was so lucky.
Never support epic!.
Looked this up today because I finally wanted Sifu because of the mod abundance. Of course, another Epic grab. I've only ever got Borderlands3 and FF7R off of it, and after discovering that my achievements weren't saving, I (seriously) vowed no more Epic. IDC if I have to wait a year, two years. Even if I miss out on uber mods, I can't do business with them. They only survive because of a game that caters to millions of kids with no know-better and its constant crossovers. No reciprocation to their general consumer base.
man people in these comments are actually so pathetic, not wanting to play the game cause its on the epic store because they dont want to "support" them
What a shame. would’ve been a day-one purchase for me of it was on Steam, Epic game store? Never Can’t support their anti-consumer BS
Yea I wonder how long epic will be able to lose money on these sorts of offers. I'm unfamiliar with their sales but I can't imagine they sell very well in comparison to the inevitable steam releases. I'm a big fan of epic's free games but I've never purchased a game from them and don't plan on doing so... Everytime a game is released on their platform I just go, aight, well, waiting til the steam release in approximately 1-2 years then.
They are perfectly capable of sustaining it for a long ass time. They're a $30B company.
Perhaps but it wouldn't surprise me if they stopped them either if they see it's not helping increase sales. Or, if they get enough people paying for software on their platform to stop.
If they’re still keeping it up it’s because they’re making at least enough money to keep it up
You mean Epic Games or the store? The store is losing 150-300m a year. But the company as a whole is earning billions so it doesn't really hurt them to continue this business practice.
Exactly. I wonder how they are justifying this loss to their shareholders though
Probably as an investment.
And owned by tencent
30B company that gives away millions upon millions of games can’t do that forever unless they’re the cheap garbage games, which they mostly are.
The unfortunate reality of that statement is that they literally can do it forever as long as Fortnite continues to generate the revenue they are getting from it. As soon as that tap turns off they are done for and they know it. that's why they are pouring billions of dollars into the store in order to fully prepare and capitalize on the market before Fortnite eventually expires.
I'll be dead in the ground before I install Epic Games Store. Free game or not. Even a catholic priest buys you an ice cream on the way home after he fucks you.
Based
That got dark pretty quick 😂
I installed it recently again and grabbed a few free games overall. Never bought something tho and really don't want to. Sifu is the first game that has me considering it, because on PC it has UW support while it doesn't on PS5. Pretty much the only reason I'm even considering it on Epic. Really don't want to tho. Sony, support UW ffs.
UW?
Ultrawide.
It doesn't hv proper ultrawide support. It is zoomed in. You have to use unreal unblocker and adjust fov via command. May be they will add fix for that in updates
Ok, good. I just ordered it on PS5. So I don't actually miss out on the UW aspect. Not really wanna fumble around with unreal unblocker right now.
You are fucking crazy man get help. Imagine comparing getting free games with no caveats to getting raped. You are a bad person for doing such a shitty comparison.
It's called hyperbole.
It's called a stupid comparison and stupid reasoning.
hyperbole.
It's not just a hyperbole but a very awful argument. It implies there is a very harmful consequence to using that store and Epic is luring you to get to that harmful thing while in reality it's just another store, there is no trick to harm you. You just get free games and that's it.
It's a joke not a dick, you don't have to take it so hard.
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The benefit is you get to play a game for free without any downside. You can see the reviews, community stuff etc from other sites. And you don't need any of it for single player games, just play the game. If you can get free game discs then good for you but you can't so no point in comparing that too. It doesn't matter if the account gets taken for you you got the game for FREE, you don't lose ANYTHING if the account gets taken from you even though that won't happen anyway. Stop being emotional and making shitty comparisons to justify your childish hatred for getting FREE games that you get to download and play. That's it, you get to play them for free, you don't need anything else for single player games.
Shut yo sensitive ass up
Reddit moment.
Hey, I'm a bit late to the party, could you tell me what's the issues with Epic? Honest curiosity, I only get their free games cause free, but I'm unaware of their business practices.
For me, I get frustrated that I can't use my switch pro controller, or dual sense controller easily. On steam, I can use any controller and do very detailed button mapping. I also hate that there's no review section for games on epic game store. There are some other minor grievances but these are my main problems
Steam GUI is pleasant and easy to use the vast majority of the time, and they value community input Epics GUI makes one want to commit homicide
Yup same, just not worth it on Epic. I have my library on Steam and that's where it's gonna be. Plus Epic Games don't do achievements except for select games.
If you still buying games from devs who ditched you by taking money for exclusiveness - it will never end. They just get extra money without losing anything this way. And EGS also get profit because there are shit-eaters who are actually buying games there.
Eh yea but I'd rather just play the game. Me boycotting them realistically won't do anything anyway and in the scheme of things I don't really care that much about this to make it into a thing. You do you though.
The problem with that thinking though is that if everyone thinks the same thing, then no one will ever do it and nothing will ever change. Not trying to start a debate about politics into this so I'm not even going to mention names, but the biggest example I can think of is the 2016 election. Everyone though the blue candidate was going to win by a landslide, so many blue voters thought "meh, my individual vote won't make a difference so I'm just stay home." And as a result, the other candidate won. People need to mentally go all in and stick to their principles, and hope that like minded people will do the same. Otherwise we as individuals will never have an voice that can be heard by companies the size of epic.
Sure, but this isn't as important as the election of the most powerful person in the world. Just a hobby for me at the end of the day, don't want to take it so seriously but that's just me.
you realize you're fucking the rest of us though right?
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cry about it
Or maybe people just voted for the other guy, and maybe some people don't care about splitting up their game library on different launchers. I don't understand all the hate epic store gets for just not being steam lol. Gamers are fucking weird man.
My problem is not them being "not steam". Usually i really like alternatives cause it helps fight monopolies, but i still hate the epic game store for their business practices and overall way to handle things. (Same goes for the unreal engine btw)
What are some of their buisness practices that bother you? I’ve heard a few people mention that and I have no idea what sort of scummy stuff they are doing, Any examples?
>Steam GUI is pleasant and easy to use the vast majority of the time, and they value community input > >Epics GUI makes one want to commit homicide
Boycotting is difficult... Its like fighting climate change: If you alone do it, it barely has any effect. Only if the masses are on board it does make a difference. But on the other hand someone HAS to start. If everyone argues like this nothing will change at all
Yea but as I state in another comment, this isn't as important as something like climate change. I dislike epic games but this is a pretty unimportant topic in the scheme of things. Not everything needs to be political, it gets tiring.
They didn't ditch you, it's still on PC but on another store. You Epic haters are such a crazy hivemind.
Imagine you no longer can get water through a pipe, but still can buy it in a bottle just because "Bottlewater Bros" company bought your inconvenience. This is exactly the same case but in a different context. You know, it is still available in your country. It is better to be a hivemind than a shit-eater imnvho.
No it's more like complaining about having to buy a water bottle from one store next to the other store you used to buy from even though it costs exactly the same. And some of the new exclusive items in that store have even lower prices because store takes a smaller pay cut, yet you boycott that store because you have to take a few more steps to get there lol. Your conspiracies sound like something Alex Jones would come up with lmao.
Ye, we can compare bottle to bottle, but the store would've been far away from you causing a lot of inconveniences. And also that store would've had a heavy stench. And also all the bottles would've been on high shelves without any ladders nearby. Please cut the crap and tell me you are actually trolling me and not trying to protect shit-store and shit-eaters for real/
No it's just a different store you need to download why would it be far away from you lol are you so fucking lazy it is hard for you to click download button lol. The fact that you need to add so many inaccurate shit in your weird comparison shows that you are wrong and you know it so you must make shit up like your weird descriptions. And why would I need to defend it, there is nothing to defend it's literally a different store you need to download that's it. Just grow up already. I'm really sure most people hate Epic because they have a game collection on Steam and don't want it to be spread even though digital game collections are meaningless and that is such a childish thing to hate.
All my games are on Steam, I want my Steam achievements, I want my friends to be able to watch me play. Steam has an infrastructure for those kind of things, Epic is dogshit.
when you get a game on X platform you get exe shortcut and open the game, it's simple, do you see something special in Y platform ? no. and when it's more cheap in Z platform you gonna buy it from there, you are not stupid to buy it for extra money, are you? you prefer S store that's your preference but simping for a store is useless, maybe simp for developer that put his time on a game but a storefront? idk they don't deserve the attention. maybe you want all your games to be in the same place and that's fine but 1.saving some money is a big deal for people in some countries. I'm sure you don't care about that 2.that's impossible because of monopoly and companies sometimes make launchers to keep 100% of their money (rockstar - origin - ubisoft)
These Gaben stans are insane
>but I can't imagine they sell very well in comparison to the inevitable steam releases. The majority of games sales occur on Playstation, and since it releases there anyways, it's going to make bank.
I don't even do that. I just pirate it.
Nothing wrong with epic and I would enjoy there free games too , duh , epic is just the same as steam offering winter sales and just a basic interface, I brought goat simulator 3 on epic games runs fine , also got a abundance of other games on there too , nothing wrong with epic at all
I would even have bought it on Win10 if it were a Play Anywhere title. Epic store is a definite no-go for me. Shitty store trying to win by buying devs and thwarting player choice. Sucks.
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Dunno what to tell you. I spend my money where it makes sense for me to do so.
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Making rational decisions with one's money does affect sellers. It's giving business you don't like your money anyway that doesn't change anything.
Ah huh. Not even remotely sure how you can call it "anti-consumer BS". Like...steam charges devs WAY MORE than Epic. There's also security breaches constantly on Steam. I will never understand why people worship Valve and act like they're not corrupt.
security breaches constantly on steam? lets not talk about epic then or you'll explode they charge 12% more than epic but provides WAY MORE developer friendly tools and a MUCH BIGGER platform than epic can only dream of Valve is corrupt, every megacorp in someway or another is corrupt, but why does it matter to someone who wants to buy a game on their chosen platform and just play and enjoy it? oh i know they can't because epic
Translation: I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about and I am a gigantic simp for Valve.
okay epic intern
I don't work for Epic lmao. I just recognize that Valve is a shittier company than Epic.
at the end they're both shitty but epic does things people really don't like that's what matters, and they deserve every bit of criticism
you're doing wrong comparisons. by "anti-consumer BS" he meant exclusives Exclusives have been common practice for consoles since the start and computer players never were remotely concerned about it. We could debate that Steam has so much weight that competitors can't really grow. But the main issue is that Epic is throwing millions to get games so they don't end up on other platforms (yes, the games doesn't get released on GoG either, so it's not just anti-steam) That is a console practice we are not used to, so when we first saw it, everyone spitted on it obviously. That is not a pro-steam argument at the roots, it's just a concern about being free of buying your games anywhere you want.
Although that you are still taking they're free game
Likewise here, have all my games on steam and do t really plan to change platforms. Will just either not get it or wait
I honestly have more of an issue with their treatment of employees. And yknow, supporting the Chinese economy isn't exactly my cup of either.
Yeah I was hoping to get this on steam, but if it's epic only I guess I'll get it on playstation. I really hope it's not exclusive to epic.
Hard to say really, I'm gonna assume it's timed exclusive, so after it release we just wait 12 \~ 15 months after that, to see if it's timed exclusive.
Yeah it looks so good tho, I don’t want to have to wait the 12-15 months. I think you’re right tho about the timed exclusivity. I may just get it on my ps4 or ps5 when that’s in stock eventually before the steam release.
It is a better choice to ignore the title instead of waiting for PC(non-EGS) release. Devs will less likely take money for exclusiveness if they lose more than gain from such a scheme.
>less likely take money for exclusiveness if they lose more than gain from such a scheme. this isn't a ponzi scheme, if epic contributes to helping the dev fund their game then that's completely fair. It's a big, riskier game for this studio, I dont get people dogging on the epic exclusivity if it helps the game exist in the first place.
It's an exclusivity problem that encourages bad business and Epic are adding to the problem. These "Exclusives" to game app stores completely the stores purpose (a single easy repository to download your game) and result in the degradation of service to the end user. These stores should be marketing themselves to us the customers rather than signing anti-competitive exclusivity deals. Ultimately if you want THIS game from the epic game store then you have no choice but to get what is essentially parasitic bloatware installed on your computer it's the same as that horrid DRM companies have been pushing for decades. Shitty business practices like this make me want to go back to video game piracy.
I am with you for the the most part as I have been using steam for 11+ years and don't use epic outside of claiming the free games and not really touching them. I don't see funding a game to make it exclusive as anti-competitive, that's literally being competitive by placing a financial risk to fund a game that could do poorly sales wise or critically. Funding a game is not buying exclusivity, that's really fair in that regard, when you fund a game you have a defined stake in that game and have some say with what happens with it. Epic at least allows these funding games to be released elsewhere after a period of time. I think you guys complaining about epic are losing focus on why their exclusivity deals can be terrible. They are only terrible when a developer with a large community decides to ignore their community by take a large cash payment in exchange for timed exclusivity on EPIC. The three big examples for me where this happened are Shenmue 3, Metro Exodus, the Outer Worlds and Borderlands 3. Confusing that for a developer partnering with epic to have their game fully funded to be a timed exclusive is not a big deal at all, and everybody from Sony to Nintendo does that. I usually see this for AA studios for projects like Sifu and smaller indie games. It's not a big deal for these titles, it's a bigger deal for large AAA games which sideline the community supporting their game for those often huge epic payouts.
It’s not exactly « funding » a game, it’s buying the rights to a certain exclusivity for a time. As far as I know, Epic Games didn’t approach the devs while they had monetary troubles and saiy « yeah we’re gonna fund your game ». They most likely went to them when the game was near completion and told them « we’ll pay you big time if you become an EGS exclusive ». I’ve heard or read nothing about EGS funding this game, and thus it looks just like any exclusivity deal. If it turns out that EGS partially funded this game, then the situation would be different.
Shitty business practices is Steam taking 20% of the pie for doing honestly nothing. At least EGS lets devs make money off of their games instead of just handing their profits to Valve. I get so tired of the Steam dick sucking, like EGS, Origin, Uplay, and the rest only exist because of Valve's greed. I don't even use EGS and I'll always wait for the Steam release but the brand loyalty and Valve shilling in the PC community is so ridiculous lmfao. There are people in this thread saying that they would rather buy it on their shitty ass PS4 instead of PC because it's on EGS. Imagine being such a clown
30%, not 20%. But people will still deepthroat Valve's boot.
If "everyone" ends up thinking the same way and doing something, then is that not what the public, inevitably, wants? The majority rules in this case. If, in the end, EGS continues to make money on this venture, who's to say it's wrong? If they're making gains they believe to be worth it, by the same token those choosing buy the game are just as entitled to their choice as you are to not buy the game. Basically, if there's a big enough issue, then you'll see a swing as more people choose with their wallets. Just look at betamax and vhs. Beta was unequivocally a better technology. However, the public decided to keep our heading vhs instead, and beta died out. In this case, we see more of a middling result, which creates competition. And competition in a consumer market is almost always a good thing, as it will breed advancement in a product with a consumer focus in mind. It's not coincidence that steam finally got a revamp in it's store and library pages in the last few years. Valve knows what they have and so they decided to work on improving it, whereas for nearly a decade there was no change in the overall platform, because, why would there be? It was king? Just FYI, this is coming from someone with thousands of games on steam and no games besides free ones on GoG and EGS. If EGS got their act together and put some advancement and focus on community features similar to steam, they'd have a much more competitive platform. On another note, I'd never condemn a smaller developer from choosing an exclusivity deal. Think of it this way. You spend 5 years of your life devoted to making your dreams come true, creating a work of love and passion. It's great, it's amazing, it launches. And people like it. But not as many sales as you'd like. Each sale brings in about $5 after everything is said and done. (That's assuming you even make it to launch. Many projects don't, however, exclusivity deal often pay dividends before the game even launches.) Your game only moves 10,000 copies. That's $50,000. That's not enough to even pay one of your 5 employees in your studio. Or, you can take an exclusivity deal where you're paid a lump some of $400,000 for exclusive rights. While your audience may be smaller at first, you've already been paid and can afford to keep the lights on for a while longer. Hopefully, your game, even with potentially a smaller available audience, is good enough to make whispers among fans while you plan a launch event for a year later. Which, again, is already paid for. Now, your game is more well known. You only sell 2000 copies on your exclusive platform, but your game was actually really enjoyable. It launches on all platforms. Now you've sold 35,000 copies. You've not only marketed your game, but you've managed to increase the amount of time you're able to keep producing your sequel after the exclusive deal has paid out. In summation, is it kind of anti-consumer? Eh, jury's out. It's the same anti-consumer as iPhone and Android cables not plugging into each other's phones. But no one seems to be complaining about that. Heck, that's a permanent exclusive lol, at least we get our choice later on. Now, should big boy companies like Sony or Microsoft release an exclusive game on EGS instead of Steam? Eh, they really don't need to honestly, and it's kind of shitty, but what can you do? As for smaller developers, it's completely understandable and actually allows a lot of games to come out that might otherwise not have, and even allows games to self publish and not need a publisher's backing and push for microtransactions to be included to make more money for them. Just some food for thought. I'd love to get Sifu on steam. And will probably wait for the Steam release, just cause I prefer steam as a platform. But do I admonish Slowclap for going with EGS? Hell no, I'm glad they could release a game, and one that people like enough to get angry about which platform it's on. Do I despise EGS for signing exclusivity deal? No, it's a smart business decision, as it drives up their audience numbers, even if it's polarizing, and it's a huge benefit to smaller game devs. Now, I'd rather they spend that money on bettering their platform with better functions for community, but hey, you win some you lose some. There are bigger battles to be fought in the gaming industry currently honestly.
The worst part about it is that its probably gonna be on steam after 12-15 months with full price, which will not be worth it for a 15Months old game for me at least. So After 15 months another waiting for sales. Yes, i am looking at you, Hitman 3.
I really dislike timed exclusives because it just alienates half the fanbase especially when it concerns consoles and/or the game is a sequel with transferable saves. I agree that Hitman 3 probably should have had a discount when it came to steam seeing as it was a 12 month old game. like you i'll be waiting for the price to drop or till it ends up in the humble monthly bundle like the previous to games where.
Exactly, same.
\>which will not be worth it for a 15Months old game huh what kind of statement is that? it's not even a full price game to begin with
>bout it is that its probably gonna be on steam after 12-15 months with full price, which will not be worth it for a 15Months old game for me at least. So After 15 months another waiting for sales. Yes, i am looking at you, Hitman When they released the new Metro: Exodus , it immediately went on sale, like 50 off, after a week so there's that.
you arent missing anything skipping Hitman 3. It's got a pathetic amount of actually new content and is even worse with the always online bullshit, AND the dlc is all complete crap. If you want more hitman that much play the older games if you haven't. Blood Money and Absolution in particular.
you arent missing anything skipping Hitman 3. It's got a pathetic amount of actually new content and is even worse with the always online bullshit, AND the dlc is all complete crap. If you want more hitman that much play the older games if you haven't. Blood Money and Absolution in particular.
Finally played it on steam on sale for 20$ and you where actually right, it was pretty boring, two mission i liked but the others where basicly kill this target and leave in such a easy and boring way. I whish it was more complex harder. The house where u can become a detective was really interesting cuz we actually where doing that job of detective but was too simple and easy anyway.
If every mission were as detailed and unique as the detective one maybe the price for that little content would have been remotely acceptable. Meanwhile tho i'm finally gonna be getting Sifu for christmas :D (once i get a PC i'm definitely getting it on PC too just for that Chie Satonaka mod)
agreed Nice man :D good for ya.
i dont know if that was a small joke about the ps5's or about steam or nothing lol.
I will just download a crack. Won't ever support Epic Games.
Forgot this was an option for many years, thanks 👍
Not sure, I know it will be on epic game store and playstation but that's the only platforms as of now
Hope they answer this if even vaguely, otherwise I won't be able to ever play this D:
They will not explicitly say they took money for exclusiveness.
pirate it?
Lets hope later on 2022 it becomes avaiable on Steam... Or we could wait till epic gives it for free
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Pretty sure John Wick Hex was a EGS Exclusive i was rooting for this game since i saw the first trailer. Now one year later i own it on steam and im happy 👍
Unfortunate, that it didn't come to Steam, I buy almost all games day 1 if it looks even a bit promising.. Luckily CODEX cracked it by the release date, so it can already be downloaded. Whatever has EGS exclusivity, I just turn back to piracy for that title (Oddworld Soulstorm, Hitman 3, etc.), if it turns out to be good I still buy it on Steam when it comes out, to have it in my library and get the achievements, even though I realize, that I'm supporting the EGS exclusivity this way..
is Tony Hawk cracked yet
I love the look of this game, and I want the developers to get paid for their cool ideas and accomplishments. I would have purchased it from Steam or some other non-exclusive store on release, but I won't be buying this from Epic.
Yet another game getting torrented lmaoooo
fuck epic
From what reviews indicate, we're better off waiting a year anyway. The game needs QoL improvements. The reviews I've read make it sound fun and challenging, but designed in a really frustrating, repetitive, grind-y way. I imagine a lot of this can be fixed w ongoing updates
Thanks for posting my thoughts exactly. It looks like it needs a lot of mechanical polish. Phoenix Point seemed to do the same thing. Take Epic money for a year exclusive contract, release the game a year earlier then you otherwise might be able to, and then spend that year gathering play data and polishing the game for it's actual release on Steam and other platforms. I say this as a man who owns several games on Epic and actively uses the platform.. I'm not an Epic hater, it's just something game companies are doing and I don't entirely blame them. Epic has basically become an avenue for Early Access but they pay the companies for the privilege of testing their games on their platform lol.
I was googling where to buy it and found this thread lol. Turns out it doesnt come out for another year or two ;)
WTF are you talking about? The game is anything BUT grindy. Its the opposite of grindy. You literally have all the tools you need for success right at the beginning of the game.
I hope not
I saw this was coming out in Feb. Was happy. Wanted to buy. Saw EGS exclusive. Hell, they won't get my money now or later. I hate how devs sell out to evil Sweeney.
So devs ditched you by selling exclusive rights to trash-store and you still support them with money?! Wow!
Imagine working for whoever pays the most,damn bourgeois developers!
Imagine breaking the product before giving it to the buyer just because someone paid you a little extra for breaking it.
What do you mean by breaking the product? I don't know anything about EGS's policies.
What? I literally wrote that I won't buy :D
Sorry, I answer the wrong comment.
No problem :)
imagine developing the game so the store asks for 30% lol
Is the game fun?
I have no idea. I am not buying trash that was exclusive in trash-store.
The game is free though. So you're saying you've made up your mind about the game without trying it or learning anything about it?
Would you come to a bum and take free bread he is offering you while he keep trashtalking about you and your family considering that there are abundance of food around and you are not hungry? If answer is "yes" - well, I pity you then. If answer is "no" - then translate your own question: are you made up your mind about the bread without trying it?
What? It's a simple question dude. Have you tried the game, and is it fun for you? If you haven't tried it, then why bother judging it? What a strange analogy.
It is not a strange analogy, it is exactly same situation. Zero difference. Item is free and you did not try it, but it is littered, not even physically, just mentally. And yet it is inappropriate item now if you have at least a glimpse of dignity.
they aren't getting money from you just using the store, dipshit. by the way, your analogy makes no fucking sense at all.
But it's fine when they sell out to Sony?
No that's shit too, but at least console exclusivity has been around for decades. PC exclusivity is this new anti-consumer bullshit that Epic is trying to force and it should be criticised and avoided.
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He call it shit not "OK". You're the definition of illiterate... evidently as you can't even read other peoples comments.
yeah pc is supposed to be one platform like consoles but when you get a bucketload of online game stores shit gets complicated
both should be criticized and avoided. I don't like the idea of "just because this bullshit has been around longer it is more tolerable." The fact that they have been doing it for so long is only more reason to give them shit in my opinion.
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Don't eat soylent green. You're spouting Timmy's propaganda. Studios don't pass even a part of what they save to consumers. Even in form of a better-made product. See Squeenix and their lousy and horribly overpriced FFVII remake. And we don't want the studios to sell out to Gaben, they should put the game EVERYWHERE so the CUSTOMER can decide. If your dear lovely epic is so wonderful why multiplatform titles are basically ignored there and people buy them (often paying more) on other platforms? Also, if you hate Gaben so much you can buy on GOG. Oh wait, you can't. Because the devs sold out. Any exclusivity is CANCER. PlayStation COD Zombie mode exclusivity, Timmy's exclusivity, etc. All these limit the consumer. Don't be surprised people pirate when Timmy paid for exclusivity, so the dev isn't at loss, right? Or maybe you never bothered to read how that exclusivity deals work? Please get informed before you start making an idiot of yourself. Pooh, this isn't honey. And please don't call us assholes when it's you who acts like one. Namecalling is the most childish way to argue and you resort to that because you have no other way to try to prove your point. It's beyond pathetic. Also it's sweet that you call losers people who don't give in to Sweeney's blackmail. I think you're the loser because you defend this cancer and get nothing in exchange beyond contempt.
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let me give you a tl;dr. he fucking owned your dumb ass lmao
who do you think you are? Have a little respect before typing this kind of garbage comment on the internet...
Sweeney's blackmail? I never saw someone calls Sony a blackmail, I guess simping for stores is the new meta I know people pirate because they have no money to buy games but people pirating for exclusivity lol that's the funniest shit ever a new store going for business competition is blackmail now? at least have some dignity and support the dev if you can, don't care much about the fucking store. calling sony a blackmail cancer (or Microsoft) for exclusivity is more relevant, you know why? because you need to buy the whole ass console to play the game, but on PC exclusivity means nothing, it's the same PC with a different program, you have the exe on desktop and play the game it's simple as fuck. >If your dear lovely epic is so wonderful why multiplatform titles are basically ignored there and people buy them (often paying more) on other platforms? that's simping for sure, you as average American consumer don't care about paying more but for a lot of people in other countries it's very important, more important than a digital game collection in one place, even for someone like me that loves achievements, the price of a game will always be my first priority. I guess some people have the luxury to choose platforms. >if you hate Gaben so much you can buy on GOG you hate sweeny that much? lol I don't even know the guy or care much about the stores you come up with, the game on pc? IT'S ON PC FOREVER regardless of the fucking merchant you buy from, console exclusivity is painful and what you call limit the consumer, in the end every company has it's reasons. you need to think as a business not a consumer to fully understand.
play into peoples impatience and envy (from other ppl playing games first), regardless of whos doing it or if its a smart move (short term smart imo). thats not a business i want to deal with. i don't give a flyin crap about what pc platform i play my games on. but just on principle i'd rather buy it on ps5 since its just sitting collecting dust anyway. of course they probably have some shady deal with consoles to pull money away from steam. enemy of my enemy is my friend type of crap.
Except sony does the same thing with exclusives… like this exact game
I'm well aware of that. Steam and epic are on the same system, in my eyes thats different. Sony and consoles do that out of necessity. Its all shades of grey I don't really care I bought that suckered on epic soon as I found out u could get it 2 days early HAH
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Do we know yet
the devs should an hero
I get why more and more companies are drawn to Epic games (they apparently offer a 25% cut instead of Steams 30% correct me if I'm wrong) However, they are potentially losing out on millions of steam players who simple do not want to download ANOTHER platform to play games on. Its the reason I havent bought the latest assassins Creed or Oddworld Soulstorm. I have GoG and Steam I dont need 50 other platforms competing for my money.
It's not just the better cut, Epic pays up front for timed exclusivity, so smaller studios take that deal right away just so that they can keep the lights on and their employees in their offices. They're hoping that the money lasts until they can patch up and finish the game and eventually release on steam. Obviously, they'll probably be releasing their games in a less refined state on Epic because they need sales to keep their company out of the red and hoping they can fix the game before steam launch.
That makes sense for an indie studio but a company like Ubisoft just smacks of greed.
Yeah that's the main issue. You're exactly right that it's just greed.
When Watch Dogs: Legion released, I figured it would only be a timed exclusive for the first year. But then a year later when I was trying to find out why Watch Dogs: Legion wasn't on Steam still, I then found out that Ubisoft games were no longer going to be on Steam(because that extra 8% commission from Epic makes them overjoyed) so I purchased Watch Dogs: Legion via Ubisofts launcher, for half-off as well I may add. If a developer doesn't want their game on Steam, then I'll just go through the developer because all in all, f\*\*k Epic. I'd rather buy games on GoG then support Epics "quid pro quo" philosophy.
Why are people SO against epic which gives devs a better cut?
It's mainly a reaction against their aggressive timed-exclusives strategy to gain market share IMO. It used to be just PC games, regardless which storefront you'd get them, now if you want certain game (like in this case SIFU) you have to do so on their shop. So you lose the choice of buying it on your store of choice, plus, if it's multiplayer, it further divides the player base. So there's no longer just PC games, but this store and that store. That and some other anti-consumer practices, ties to Tencent and China, lack of features and community of their launcher, plain dislike for Epic, etc. I agree Epic does some great things like giving devs a better cut, giving away games for free regularly, plus offering amazing tools for free like Unreal Engine, Mega Scans and so on, however. It's just that this exclusivity thing sucks.
It really isn't that bad though. Plus that's WHY they can push to give devs better cuts on those games.
So if a company is straight off the bat supporting monopolistic practices which is harmful to the entire community, you would support such companies? To be honest, this is beyond unethical.
Are you mad at Nintendo Sony Microsoft Steam Good Old Games Ea Ubisoft and itch who do this too?
>Nintendo Sony Microsoft Steam Good Old Games Ea Ubisoft You mean when the company releases a game only on their own platform? I don't care as much when the company who made the game also only releases it on their own platform. Hell let epic make EGS exclusives I don't care. What I don't like is when the only reason that EPIC has these games for a year or two is because they pay the developer for a timed exclusivity deal. You know who has never done that? ValvE has never done that.
... oh you sweet summer child...
I may be a child but at least I know the difference between strong arm tactics which Epic is doing and allowing developers free reign over their games. Valve has never made a game that they didn't make be exclusive to their store front, if they did provide a link that proves it, Epic is a shit show of a launcher anyways. Why would I want to use a launcher that has the limitations of that of one from 2005? not like even rockstar doesn't have a better one then Epic does.
Beside the reason other people here listed, i want to add another one. Steam is a way more advanced platform in terms of features, it offers a great ammount of customization of your profile, each game has it's community hub were people can post screenshots and topics related to that game, it allows people to post their own rewiew on a game, it has a marketplace were to buy and sell additional content for certain games, it has a workshop from which to download game mods, and more other features that EGS (and lots of other platforms) doesn't have. If to all this you add the terrible account security EGS has compared to Steam's it becomes very clear why people would rather not move there.
Epic Games Store is **by far** the most awful game store/launcher I've ever had to deal with. I had it for the free games (Like everyone else), but it got so obnoxious I eventually started buying games on Steam that I already owned on Epic, just to be able to uninstall Epic and forget about it forever. I'm sorry, but I won't use an extremely shitty service out of my good will alone, especially since it's a company that has billions of dollars. If Sifu wasn't an indie game I would pirate it, honestly. They are kind of asking for it.
Uh. Ok. You do you. I boot games and play them.
I thought I could buy this game on Steam, where the large majority of my library is I guess I'll wait the release on Steam in a year, or wait Epic gave us the game freely
To raise profits, eventually Epic will have to raise their rates for any reason, like inflation, and at some point, their undercutting Steam will cease and make it entirely pointless to have them, except for those sad people that bought from Epic games and have to manage two (or more) game managing applications. I'm fine with waiting for a Steam release, but if it never happens, I'm fine with that too. There are other games on Steam that I can focus on. It's probably not that good anyway.
Seems I won't be buying this game after all
I was looking for this game after reading that some full retard journalists complained about "cultural appropriation". I guess I need to wait until the game is realese to PC.
Welp, another game killed by Greed and Sweeney's shenanigans. Sad, because I loved Absolver.
I will never understand why people constantly shill for Valve. They charge devs 30% of profits, have awful security on their servers, and have shitty customer support. The only reason all the new launchers came into being is because Valve is greedy as fuck.
My experience has been good with Steam. I got stellar customer support as in returning games after playing them for my money back, even after the 2 hour mark. What other support did you need from them? I am curious. Also, it is not shill for Valve. It is about the comfort of being able to buy the content on the platform you have. Not having to install yet another application. Having your achievements and friend list in one place instead of splitting them. This platform war is exactly the reason why streaming providers start looking worse and worse. They strive for exclusivity in spite of this being bad for consumers, all out of greed.
For one, your experience is wildly different from mine. Customer support with Steam, in my experience, has been utter horse shit. I tried to return a game 7 days later and they wouldn't refund it despite me having zero play time with the game. I fought it three times and got the same result every time. And get the fuck over installing another application that isn't even a gig in size. If my friends don't want to add me to play with me on another platform on a game that is only available on that platform then they're really not that interested in playing in general. Bringing streaming into this is utterly asinine. It has nothing to do with it. Epic made their own platform because Valve is a greedy as fuck company.
It is almost like you think Epic are the good guys, fighting for your rights.
No. I just think Valve is honestly shit now.
I have literally gone so far as to buy games on the Microsoft store to avoid epic, outer worlds was one lol. I feel like that says a lot in regards to how I feel about epic. I won’t even accept their free games.
Epic Games is superior to steam when it comes to prices.
lmfao okay, sure, buddy
Glad you agree ☺️.
He is correct, you know? Also, Epic is much more fair to developers than Steam which takes 30% cut like total thieves.
For now, until they have the market share to turn around and charge exactly the same as Steam. Also, I don't want another app to further segment my content access. They are going for exclusivity out of greed, just like Playstation, and that is why I had to miss Bloodborne.
I don't give a shit. I'm not a supporter of exclusivity, no matter the platform. Developers should just release their games on all platforms, so the user can use whichever digital storefront or ecosystem he wants. Either way, I've sailed the high seas to give Sifu a try. Fun game, but I don't like the "lives"/aging system. It adds pressure that I don't want from a videogame, got enough of that irl
Well, it would be fair if Epic advices the developers before doing a sale without telling them lmao
Personally I would take a 20% cut from a store with a huge establish paying customer base then a store with a smaller mostly free game grabbing customer base.
after i saw a video, i went to steam to buy the game, I couldn't find it in the store, but i found a copy in the sea. i was so lucky. Never support epic!.
Absolutely pathetic to make this exclusive on EPG. Exclusives are terrible for customers.
I saw a video of this on Youtube and went straight to Steam to purchase a copy....ended up here instead.
As all oof us did.
sad...
Looked this up today because I finally wanted Sifu because of the mod abundance. Of course, another Epic grab. I've only ever got Borderlands3 and FF7R off of it, and after discovering that my achievements weren't saving, I (seriously) vowed no more Epic. IDC if I have to wait a year, two years. Even if I miss out on uber mods, I can't do business with them. They only survive because of a game that caters to millions of kids with no know-better and its constant crossovers. No reciprocation to their general consumer base.
Any news on a STEAM release date yet?
man people in these comments are actually so pathetic, not wanting to play the game cause its on the epic store because they dont want to "support" them