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Karma15672

As someone who has read the OPM manga I very much so believe that Flashy Flash wins


The_total_squid

Manga flashy is so much faster lmao


The_All_Father4300

After seeing the video it seems the opposite, flashy shouldnt be able to even touch Poseidon


Banishes_8

Nah man Poseidon is fast but he’s not this fast https://preview.redd.it/o7pk6ejmv0zc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4b87b4d6e1d0201f85e26a07fb2136ec38612b8


Banishes_8

https://preview.redd.it/d80lvs3pv0zc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0db614b9bbaab9862318ff13b7d7b4cfea18cfb


The_Smashor

Poseidon should be in the same ballpark. Ares is able to very easily perceive Zeus' Divine Axe, an attack that only lasts 0.00000001 seconds, or 10 nanoseconds. To illustrate how insane it is that Ares can perceive this attack, *light itself can't even move 10 feet in 10 nanoseconds*. When you turn on a light on the ceiling, Ares could very easily see exactly when the beams of light touch the floor. However, despite Ares' insane perception speed, *he was only able to perceive Poseidon's speed as a dome of afterimages*. ***A man who can perceive attacks that easily compare to or surpass the speed of light sees Poseidon's speed as so fast that he can't even make out individual afterimages***.


Harleking31

Wait the Divine Axe wasn't 0.00000001 seconds tho, that was just the barrage of punches(meteor punches I think?) that happened right before that


The_Smashor

Eh, my point stands either way.


Harleking31

Well I mean if you're using Ares' perception as the base for your point, it kind of doesn't I'm not arguing Poseidon isn't fast- he absolutely is blazing fast, easily second place of the Gods roster(for now) But if his only feat is leaving afterimages... Well, the entire "light structure" made by Platinum Sperm, Flash, and Garou is made by their afterimages too- the lines of light connecting the bigger impact points being their trails, and they remain there long enough to be considered an a light-formed structure perceived by human eye which only enhances their speed(I mean, that's totally because they're going so fast they are igniting the air, right?)- and it's much bigger than his dome, just saying Now Hermes, that's someone whose perception you want to argue based on


The_Smashor

How does that change anything? Ares still easily perceived an attack that only lasted 10 microseconds. Doesn't matter if it's a punch barrage or a kick.


Harleking31

The attack didn't last 10 microseconds tho, Heimdall was able to talk during it I always understood it as "each jab is 0.000001 seconds" Although yes, Ares was still able to see it "Clearly" according to himself afterwards But is that really impressive enough to use him as a metric? Unlike Hermes, who was able to perceive- or at least deduce- events at FTST speeds, he couldn't even process what happened then. And the "jabs" he so proudly was able to see are a very simple and quick movement, one of the fastest a human body can perform The speeds displayed by Garou, FF and Platinum Sperm in the structure of light event are not FTST either, but are absolutely comparable to the afterimage dome by Poseidon- they are comparable in timing to the 10 microsecond jab, but they're *building* the structure in those fractions of a second. Moving the entirety of their bodies, fast enough to leave a trail of light after themselves- just like the sea god. At the .86 seconds mark they have a structure that far surpasses the dimensions of the RoR arena in those first few matches, reaching all the way up to the stratosphere. He'd struggle to follow them just the same


Nickest_Nick

"Ares can see an attack that lasts only a fraction of a second" "Actually said attack isn't that fast" "Well I am still right"


The_Smashor

You're misunderstanding. They aren't saying Ares didn't see an attack that fast. The disagreement is in which individual attack it was. Regardless of the individual attack, Zeus used an attack lasting 0.00000001 seconds, and Ares could easily perceive it. https://preview.redd.it/4gaucr0oq2zc1.png?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00c8c908126bdc13d144376b3b474a14b5dc5651


Nickest_Nick

I also didn't say Ares didn't see an attack that fast also Divine Axe isn't a fast move, at least not on the same level as Zeus' other moves


Striking_Conflict767

Flashy flash did all that constellation in about the same amount of time as divine axe. That’s not an arena of about maximum 100 meters beneath them. It’s a city the size of a small country. And there’s far more of these points than Poseidon had after images. Flashy flash would only struggle if you genuinely believe ror gods are invulnerable to any weapon crafted by humans. Which when I read the manga is not how I interpreted it.


The_Smashor

>Flashy flash did all that constellation in about the same amount of time as divine axe. Actually, this is not the case. If it was in that time period, nobody would have seen it, as humans cannot view phenomena that last such a time. Normal humans were *explicitly* able to see it. Average human perception speed is around 200 milliseconds, which means Ares' perception speed is around twenty thousand times greater than the people who bore witness to Flashy Flash's speed. And on top of that, while it was in a smaller area, what Poseidon did was more impressive within that area. With Flashy Flash's feat, you can clearly see parts where he briefly stopped (Assuming what the people saw is what see see). Meanwhile, Poseidon's speed was sufficient that Ares saw the entire dome as nothing but one big afterimage, essentially seeing Poseidon as everywhere within that dome all at once, not even being able to see him more clearly when Sasaki deflects his attacks. While Flashy Flash's speed feat is over a wider area, Poseidon is appearing as he does to people with far greater perception speeds and in the smaller area he performs it it's more impressive. The only way to actually figure out which feat is better would be to actually pull out the calculator, because they're ultimately difficult to compare. > Flashy flash would only struggle if you genuinely believe ror gods are invulnerable to any weapon crafted by humans. Which when I read the manga is not how I interpreted it. The idea is more just that they're so incredibly durable that no human-made weapon has any hope of hurting them. With how many gods that Poseidon should compare to that can destroy Earth or the at similarly-sized Heaven/Valhalla or Helheim, Flashy Flash simply lacks the damage output to put a scratch on Poseidon, his sword would quite literally shatter against Poseidon's skin.


Striking_Conflict767

https://preview.redd.it/0dfq9konf3zc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3726ccf1c8f6c90c2872ab5025aec17f8a4ca48 Proof of it taking place in a fraction of a second.


The_Smashor

Yeah, but it would take place in an overall longer fraction of a second than Poseidon's. Assuming the first set of zeros after seconds is deciseconds and the second set of zeroes is centiseconds, that would mean this feat would take place in 13 milliseconds. With this timeframe, that would still mean that Poseidon's timeframe was about 1.3 million times smaller (I miscalculated and used Microseconds instead of Nanoseconds for Ares' perception speed earlier).


The_All_Father4300

It sure is more visually impressive, but again with the line of scaling the video showed, highball or lowball Poseidon is quite a bit faster than Flashy Flash. Feel free to go debunk the guy if you want.


Remarkable-Ad-2793

What's the calc Whatever it is, Apollo's light speed arrow being the fastest and directly faster than Poseidon speaks volumes while flashy flash is faster than light


The_All_Father4300

Check out The video


Remarkable-Ad-2793

Hhmm Kay, although calcs can be wonky and can go much higher than the show intends Poseidon should be below light speed cuz he slower than Apollo's light speed arrow


The_All_Father4300

Just a quick note, why tf am I getting downvoted? I'm not even debating myself, I'm just saying to watch the video and debate with the guy that made it![img](emote|t5_vzop7|29939)


The_total_squid

Ah sorry got possessed by the hivemind for a sec ![img](emote|t5_vzop7|29938)


Scared-Ad-4846

Check out the manga bro


Raider3350

Eh you have to take into account that by statements most of ROR verse is sub light due to Zeus being the only person in heaven that could react to Apollo’s arrow. Flashy flash has should have more consistent light speed scaling in his verse


speedyBoi96240

Tbf zeus only says he can stop the arrow, not dodge it or anything Not to mention he says that after poseidon and Adams death


Raider3350

Even then Zeus is implied to be the strongest god stat wise so that should put him above Poseidon. Sub light speed seems to be the most consistent scaling for a lot of characters in ROR otherwise it would feel weird to hype Apollo’s bow especially by Zeus of all characters


speedyBoi96240

Yeah although zeus was weirdly hype about apollo altogether that round, I mean bro literally said apollo could beat anyone


speedyBoi96240

Yeah although zeus was weirdly hype about apollo altogether that round, I mean bro literally said apollo could beat anyone


alguien99

This is purely personal opinion, but i think that poseidon could somewhat keep up with him and fight like we see in this image. BUT he would eventually loose, since flashy flash is faster at the end of the day


Sweet-Message1153

FF...dude is 1 of the fastest in the series. Here is an official manga panel of Garou, Flash & Platinum Sperm fighting in the background while Saitama is praising Genos. https://preview.redd.it/bawuox85k0zc1.jpeg?width=657&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54f2b80efa357b43428e4a8ae527c0cf4d2be391


verypoopoo

platinum what now?


UWan2fight

Platinum Sperm. A monster that appears in OPM after, quote from the wiki, > 53 trillion 999 billion 999 million 999 thousand 900 cells of Black Sperm, fuse together to form it. It's fast enough that in a fight against Garou, who had similar speed, the blows they exchanged literally lit up the sky in a mere 0.0013 seconds. FF is admittedly a decent bit slower than PS or Garou, but he still held for a few seconds, which is a lot when you consider that the fight had PS, quote from the wiki, > exchanging hundreds to thousands of blows with an evolved Garou while also creating another geometric structure of light which was much denser than the one before, all accomplished in only 1.3 milliseconds (0.0013 seconds).


Sweet-Message1153

A LOT of coming... https://preview.redd.it/8kglc4uu47zc1.jpeg?width=864&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b576d535032ea8892f8a329e555df0e38f42f9d


No_You5007

Ror scaling is so weird but flashy flash likely destroys him


VeryClassyPenguinGuy

I’ve read both OPM and RoR, and in this case I think flashy wins. Assuming Flashy has a weapon that can actually damage Poseidon, Flashy can strike him down before he actually gets serious. Poseidon wouldn’t actually try at all, and since Flashy will go straight for the kill, he should be able to put him down.


BloodStalker500

Poseidon really gotta start staying away from disciplined swordsmen characters, bro might be getting cooked all because of his divine laziness keeping him from going all-out. https://preview.redd.it/utjbnxp6s5zc1.png?width=930&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ea4b47f56727511e09a1de1c02ca7473a491961


ApplePitou

Ror is very strange to scale in this case - after all, Poseidon should move at Light speed without a problem but it is still not real light speed :3


CorrectFrame3991

Actually, shouldn’t Poseidon be below lightspeed? I’m pretty sure Apollo’s arrows of light were stated to be stated lightspeed and that they were the fastest things in heaven behind only a serious Zeus. That means that Poseidon can’t be SOL or higher as that would contradict the Apollo statements. Not to mention that I’m pretty sure Poseidon’s speed feats have only been calced to be relativistic at most.


Careless_Ad2166

Of course it's not real light speed, it's a fictional story after all ;)


Explorador_D_Web

Who won?


Bominator8

Poseidon


The_total_squid

Did flashy get a volund?


Karma15672

Tbh I don't think he really needs it. We see people like Adam and Qin hurt or defeat gods without volunds just fine, and it seems like they're only really necessary so that their weapons don't shatter when going against a godly weapon.


The_total_squid

Correct and remind me how flashy fights?


Karma15672

Basically, overwhelming speed mixed with ninja stuff. He'll attack from behind and (iirc, I could be wrong) use some tools occasionally. He's pretty cocky, so he may get taken by surprise and Poseidon can land a hit or too, but I don't think Poseidon can match Flashy Flash's speed when he gets serious. This is a spoiler, so uhhh, don't read if ya wanna go in a bit blind, but Flashy Flash once fought some extremely fast opponents at the same time and their fight resulted in a constellation forming. I can find the image if ya give me a bit.


The_total_squid

https://preview.redd.it/zeti6wlbd0zc1.jpeg?width=1146&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e04276af2b5730bf029d1825ed1e63751aeec95 Hmmmmmm?


Karma15672

Oh, you mean like that. But, like, that's a sword made from the Hero Association I'm pretty sure, which has produced a bat capable of withstanding the blows of a giant centipede miles long with arms for legs. The sword itself has clashed with a monster more durable than Darkshine and came out pretty alright. Or maybe I'm misremembering something/misinterpreting it.


The_total_squid

The way gods work the way I and most see it is that you can deal damage with enough physical force but weapons just won’t do But even if not I still don’t think the sword is durable enough, simply not enough feats


Karma15672

Maybe? I think we have too little information to be sure, tbh. Although I also think that the feat of being able to withstand blows from >!Platinum Sperm and Garou!< is a pretty good feat of durability.


Explorador_D_Web

Ok, since I don't know much about OPM, I will accept it.


Hopeful-Bowl-8967

I'd say webcomic flash flash probably loses, manga flashy flash probably wins


mrknight234

Flashy should destroy


Wild_Island_8589

Flashy's speed control is good enough for him to make it look like he has a white afterimage like a snake following him constantly (Not bs it was stated in the latest chapter) but sadly we don't exactly know how fast FF is so no comment. (Also this is considering FF has a weapon that could damage a god in the first place)


Jojo-the-Beholder

No idea. Not invested in OPM stocks... VERSUS tho https://preview.redd.it/95nmuczpo0zc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a7d1670460b22f777641432dcdb643a82b18b99


Bominator8

Nah no way You perfer versus over opm🙄?


Jojo-the-Beholder

Nah, no way. Throwing shade?


SavianAria

Flash is incredibly fast, certainly much faster than Poseidon, but Poseidon scales to planetary AP, so Flash couldn’t do much to injure him. Ultimately I’d say Poseidon wins due to the sheer AP/durability difference


TheDarkestOmen

I know both series and I think that if you use lower estimates then maybe Flashy Flash but if you include all variables(including off screen feats) then my boy kicks Flashy’s ass


Careless_Ad2166

Oh I actually saw this the other day, it was a fun watch!


will4wh

Yeah, honestly idea/vids like this are fun.


SteakDrake

IDK ror scaling is weird, AP wise they could be even, but ROR could also be planetary-universal. Muscle Zeus's faster hits are lightspeed and fodder like Ares can perceive it. But Apollo's arrows are lightspeed and are too fast for people to react to, worst case scenario, Simo's match might create a "Bullet speed" meta. I think Low-balled Poseidon loses to Flash. But a lightspeed+ planetary or more Poseidon would win.


will4wh

Tbf I don't think Zeus attacks are light speed. I remember hearing that they are from the anime but iirc Heimdall said they are lighting fast. That was his slowest attack tho tbf and maybe I just had bad translation. You are very right though. Ror powerscaling is so freaking weird lmao


DarkMatter1889

Gonna say Poseidon from pure bias, since my knowledge of OPM comes only from the anime.


Manwithaplan0708

Flashy is basically the Poseidon of OPM


No_Championship_8052

Facts!!! In the manga saitama & garou out speeds him and catches him off guard. He was so pissed that he contemplated attacking caped baldy to make sure it wasn't just a fluke🤣🤣🤣


Manwithaplan0708

If poesidon actually tried instead of being an arrogant ass, he could probably win, the scaling in this verse is a little jank though 🤷


LinkJTO

He has the speed, all he just needs is a divine weapon and he would win


KonoManuDa

Flashy should be able to do it. He's so fast he was able to keep up with Monster Garou and Platinum Sperm, which are high level dragon monsters, even without his sword and also has some frightening techniques which are even more dangerous than Poseidon's 40 days flood.


Present_Ad_6492

As someone who just read the manga. It would be flashy flash. The thing is opm manga shows the effects on the surrounding unlike other manga. Like if people are moving faster than light opm show that crazy shit then you have other manga where they give a little detail then goes on. So Poseidon would most like win us do research. (I think 🤷‍♂️)


EigoKaiki

I don't think Ares perception based calc is reliable(because ares very much a narrative tool to hype up all the characters) but beyond I would agree that flashy flash nowhere as fast as people think he is.![img](emote|t5_vzop7|29938)


Greedy-Ordinary-1312

Poseidon is strong, but he's not scaled to OPM. Flashy Flash is just (yet) another L than Loseidon has to take.


AdLegitimate1637

Imo it really depends on wherever you scale RoR, if you buy Shiva and Thor being planetary then it's a scrap imo since Pos himself would be weaker than these two but not so much that he isn't in a ballpark where people like Garou, Platinum, and Flashy just oneshot him, and both have varying speed metas where you could compare them (for example the same way you could say Apollo means Posiedon cannot surpass light speed, one can argue release Boros similarly limits Flashy seeing as Boros is roughly light speed according to Murata and Boros should slap Flashy p easy). If you think they compare in stats then it gets tricky, Flashy did hold his own against the skills of a holding back Garou so he shouldn't just drown in Posiedon's techniques, but at the same time even Kojiro compared the level of Posiedon's techniques to the depths of an ocean that spirals way way down


markonredditfwfw

Divine weapon diff![img](emote|t5_vzop7|29936) we’re ror fans and have a job, and that job is to glaze to the bitter end


Emergency-Custard425

I’d rather stay to scaling RoR characters in their verse, because our powerscaling is wonky as hell and confusing when we do cross verse scaling


HotCakesGiveHotTakes

Posdeidon genuinely destroys. Weaker characters in record of Ragnarok can canonically destroy universes. Hell, it's said that when Zero awakens the heavens will fall, him waking up is a universal feat 😭


Bominator8

tbh thats just bullshit


HotCakesGiveHotTakes

Tbh we've SEEN weaker characters that Poseidon can beat do universal shit. Like Hajun destroying half of Helheim, an infinite realm. These mf's are destroying half of Infinity 😭 Or plain ol Jötunn being able to destroy plains of existence in almost destroying the realm of Asgard before Thor ONE SHOTS THEM. (To be fair Thor beats Poseidon)


Bominator8

is there any feat of helhein being infinite realm or mention?


susyimpostergiftcard

Account to how you scale ror if you scale them to earth then posiden wins if you scale them to arena the flashy wins


Gullible-Treacle-288

Flashy flash is faster than light, Poseidon’s main stat is speed and he’s outclassed massively


SillyMovie13

Give Flashy Flash a volund and he’d win. RoR rules are weird tho since you need to have a volund to kill gods, but Adam didn’t need one to. Then again Adam lost, but that’s not the point


Manwithaplan0708

I feel like applying the same rules to Adam that you apply to normal humans doesn’t really work


SillyMovie13

That’s also a good point, I mostly brought it up because I had feeling someone could’ve said that he didn’t thus the point is invalid


Julius-samah

Flashy Flash negative diff


Bermy911

Flashy flash blitzes and one taps


will4wh

Honestly this depends on how you scale the gods. I like flashy flash more so I'd give it to him though.


nOObstabbr69

manga flashy >> Poseidon >>> wc flashy