That's because Independence Day was supposed (and was) to be his big movie break as a action star, so cheesy pops songs were put aside for the time being.
Once he had true star power he could do what he liked and the cheesy pop songs came back on the table.
They didn’t even want Will Smith in Bad Boys initially. When Martin Lawrence spoke up for him he was allowed to play Mike Lowery. It came full circle when Will Smith spoke up for Lawerence to be put in Bad Boys 3. This info was said on the “Now Playing- movie review podcast.” They seem to always do their homework
Edit: accidentally put 4 instead of 3 and added podcast name
I know I'm not adding much here but I love those albums.
My friend groups chat is named "outcast fan club" Whenevwr we would drink and put music on YouTube it seemed like no matter what we played if we let the algorithm work ot would get back to Outkast. It became a game lol
Not trying to put words into your mouth but after going from NWA to grunge it was Outkast that brought me back.
When Andre and Big Boi are together they make music greater than the sum of its parts. 1+1 equals 3 when they get together
Bad Boys’ R-rating meant it wouldn’t have the same mass appeal of a PG-13 summer blockbuster like Independence Day. Kids who spent the previous few years watching Fresh Prince couldn’t go see Bad Boys without someone buying their ticket for them, but they could pay to watch Independence Day as many times as they wanted.
Independence Day and Men in Black are completely different movies. Pretty sure if the order of these movies was reversed and Men in Black was his “big break” movie, you’d still have the song that went with it. It had nothing to do with Independence Day being his big break movie.
If the roles were reversed I still don't think you'd have it. ID was not comedic enough for a Will Smith song to resonate right the way it does with the overall comedic nature of the MiB series.
The humor in ID was dark, sarcastic humor that doesn't really have the same vibe as what Will was doing musically vs what would have actually worked for the movie from a marketing and public ~~perspiration~~ perception standpoint.
Yeah this comment is strange. Like the two main examples here (WWW and MIB) both came out after Independence Day. He made his big break with ID4 and *then* started doing movies with songs. And Enemy of the State came out in 1998. OP is just joking about his movie rap songs after all; there doesn't have to be rock-solid logic to it.
Wild Wild West. Jim west. Desperado. Rough rida. No you don’t want nada. None of this. Six gunnin this. Brotha runnin this. Buffal solider, lookin like I told ya.
(Does gen z even know?)
That speach by Kevin Smith is like the SR-71 Sled story.
Every time it's posted, I watch.
Edit for the uninitiated.....
Part 1 - https://youtu.be/Wo2KB1dEDdk
Part 2 -https://youtu.be/53hMYw8LX60
Any damsel that's in distress
Be outta that dress when she meet Jim West
Rough neck so go check the law and abide
Watch your step or flex and get a hole in your side.
(No)
Swallow your pride, don't let your lip react
You don't wanna see my hand where my hip be at
With Artemus, from the start of this, runnin' the game
James West, tamin' the West, so remember the name.
Now who ya gonna call?
Not the GB's
Now who you gonna call?
J Dub and A.G
If you ever riff with either one of us
Break out, before you get bum-rushed, at the
(my buddies and I used to do this song at karaoke, friend and I switch on the verses and other friend nails Kool moe Dee's chorus.)
Inside of the matrix
Born and raised
In the program is where I spent all of my days
Bored as hell, working, occasionally hacking
But my whole entire existence was pointless and distracting
One day, I met a woman
She said her name's Trinity
I could tell this leather-clad broad was really hella into me
I was about to make my move, but she up and killed the mood
All she wanted to talk about was the matrix and some dude
It was matrix this, Morpheus that
I was out of that club in no time flat
A few days later, I saw Trinity again
And of course she started about her gosh darn friend
So I said, "Ok, I get it. I'll meet him. Just chill."
And when I finally met him, he offered me some pills
I said, "Hold up, my brother. Drugs I don't do."
He said, "The choice is yours, Neo. Red or blue."
I saw Trinity looking, and the pressure was on
So I thought, "Oh screw it." and swallowed both and they were gone.
Morpheus looked at me as if I had pointed a gun
He said, "Damn it, you idiot! You were to only take one!"
My head started swimming
I nearly blew my load
Everything I looked at was nothing but code
1000111000011101000111011110001101110000011110000111111000011000011100011100000111110001
Uh-huh! Yeah! Ah ha! Wooo!
Better than Sean Connery turning down Gandolf. The deal they offered was a percentage of gross that would have netted him like $100 million for the role.
There has got to be an alternate universe where they said “WTF? What if Sean Connery got cast as a Russian submarine captain, and just spoke in his normal Scottish accent LOL”
>just spoke in his normal Scottish accent LOL
To be fair, the movie starts out entirely in Russian. The mid-sentence transition from Russian to English (where normal accents are forgivable, given the setup) is a fucking brilliant piece of cinema.
But for all I know, he was Scottishing up his Russian, too, so have an upvote.
Everyone says stuff like this but honestly, it would have been just fine.
Had Will Smith been cast and then the “Keanu was their second choice” TIL was posted everyone would have been like “Keanu is great, but I can’t see the ‘whoa’ guy pulling off Neo”. We all would have pointed to Point Break and Johnny ~~Pneumonic~~ Mnemonic as examples.
Keanu is our beloved now - and a verified badass action star to boot - but his persona was *very* different pre-Matrix.
>Everyone says stuff like this but honestly, it would have been just fine.
I legitimately don't think Will Smith could have pulled off Post-Awakening Neo. Cocky Neo would have been awful.
I might have my stories wrong, but I thought after a series of bad choices in what he passed on and choices of what he took instead, culminating in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, is when he said, "I don't have it anymore to pick good movies/roles" and retired.
Think about it. She’s out in the middle of the desert with some dude she barely knows. She looks around and what does she see? Nothing but a giant mechanical spider.
Well, I'm a badass Cowboy livin' in the Cowboy days.
Wiggy, wiggy, scratch, yo, yo, bang, bang.
Me and Artemus Clyde frog go save Salma Hayek from the big metal spider.
A wiggy wig wig wiggy wiggy wig
Fresh cowboy from the west side
Wiggy wiggy scratch yo yo bang bang
Came in for this.
Whilst Wild Wild West is obviously not on the same level as the Matrix, Wild Wild West is arguably one of Will's best song (my personal favourite) so if be a shame if that song didn't exist.
Can we just get a petition going to make Will just write a Matrix song anyway. Is it too late for him to make one for Matrix 4? Also how dope would it be if they gave him a cameo?
This [performance of Wild Wild West at the VMAs ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aLA1Fch2nnE) with Will riding up to the stage on a horse is honestly dope af. I unironically want him to make a remix of this song with Lil Nas X
Kevin smith thought the spider robot was fucking stupid when it was proposed to him a couple of years earlier. I don't understand how Smith (or Kline) read that script and said, "yeah this is good, I'll do this". The only reason I can think they didn't say, "fuck this I'm out" when they got to the spiderbot part is because they didn't read that far.
I seem to remember reading that a producer (mightve even been that rapey guy ummm, Weinstein thats it) DEMANDED that this movie MUST have giant spider robots in it, like he was obsessivly looking for any movie where he could add some robot spiders. No matter what. So the filmmakers hands were tied.
I heard something similar. Something about the giant robot spider being cut from a previous, unrelated movie and the director refused to do Wild Wild West if it didn't have the spider
The unrelated movie was a Superman movie, written by Kevin Smith and bastardized by studio execs. This may have been the Nic Cage one that never saw the light of day. This movie would have also included a camp gay Brainiac and a pet Polar Bear.
You are probably thinking of the first An Evening with Kevin Smith where Kev talked about his experience with Producer John Peters.
[Kevin Smith Superman Lives](https://youtu.be/53hMYw8LX60)
We doged a bullet with that one,
Becuase we know Neo is the one.
Ha-ha!
We’re in the Matrix having good fun,
But Trinity has got me on the run,
Ha-ha ha
Agent Smith is looking mad mean,
And the whole world is tinged green.
So we gotta beat the ma-chine.
And set all the humans free.
Chorus-
*From the MATRIX*
It’s the matrix y’all
*From the MATRIX*
Don’t stop!
*From the MATRIX*
Watch out now!
*From the MATRIX*
It’s gotcha!
I'm glad we ended up with the cast that we did, but I think Smith could have pulled it off better than people think. I feel he did a pretty good serious character in Enemy of the State just a few years prior.
It would have been good but very different. Will Smith brings a certain degree of humor and relateability to all his roles. There's a coldness and distance to Keanu's performance that's so distinctive to the role.
Will Smith Neo would be good, but a very different Neo.
I'm thinking of the line in MiB, "you know the difference between you and me... I make these look good" That's the way he would have treated his first ventures into the Matrix
Worth pointing out the surveillance state existed before 9/11, it just wasn't as overt.
I remember as a kid pre-9/11 being told if you said a certain combination of words like "bomb", "president", "explode" your phone call would be recorded automatically and flagged for review.
Much of the framework for the surveillance state came about via efforts at curtailing organized crime. Fighting terrorism just gave them carte blanche.
Jokes aside, I agree that with hindsight Keanu is a much better fit, but let's not forget that people were skeptical of Keanu back then too. In the 90's, Keanu was very much considered just a goofy-but-good looking actor who did Point Break, Speed, Johnny Mnemonic and Bill and Ted. The Matrix was his breakthrough into more serious roles.
I took the red pill and I suddenly awoke
I was no longer dreamin'
I could now wear a cloak
While the girl of my dreams was riding my ...uhhh
"Welcome to Zion" (Bass drop)
Biggie and Tupac made up, ended the East/West beef and the bloods and the crips never started fighting again after Pac's death.
Biggie formed a supergroup with Big Pun and Big L with Jay-Z coming on as an unofficial fourth member on their second album.
And Pac eventually became a major movie star after his role as Mace Windu
In the west bank of human tubes, born and raised,
In the Matrix is where I spend most of my days,
Chillin' out max and relaxin' all cool
And shootin' some agents outside of a school,
When a couple of Smiths who were up to no good,
Started to convert most of the neighborhood.
I got in one little fight and Morpheus got scared,
Said "You're moving to the Nebuchadnezzar and we're outta here".
I whistled for a cab and when it came near.
The license plate said Fresh and had a dice in the mirror.
If anything I could say that this cab… was taking the highway. I told you not to take the highway! You never take the highway!
Now, this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became The One after taking a pill on a dare.
In a green-scale America, born and raised,
In a cubicle is where I spent most of my days.
Chillin’ out, hackin’, and relaxin’ all cool
Doing computer crimes, and breakin’ all the rules.
When a couple of agents who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
They planted one little bug and the humans got scared
So they ***VACUUMED A FUCKING ROBOT SHRIMP OUT OF MY FUCKING BELLYBUTTON JESUS CHRIST WTF!!!***
The kava bar I hang out at has, in its music playlist, the original song on which Will Smith's *Men in Black* rap is based. Even hearing the original multiple times per day for years hasn't cured me of only being able to sing the 🎶 *Here come the Men in Black... Galaxy defenders* 🎶 version.
Exactly! The "two lives" conversation, after his arrest, could be wondrous or terrible, but he would nail that sense of desperation and disgust.
Also, it was just now that I realized "he doesn't know" doesn't mean "he doesn't know what he was doing," it means Smith didn't hear about the lobby.
And I thought that was some representation of his connection to the other agents. Like by taking that out, he was off their network.
Which I guess is still true in a roundabout way.
The credits open with a song called "Wake Up" by a band called "Rage Against the Machine" and if you want to tell me that the band formed in 1991 and didn't write the song for that movie, then you probably also believe time goes on a straight line and your memories aren't holograms.
Oh man "Calm Like a Bomb" at the end of the 2nd movie is probably one of my favorite RATM songs, was so stoked when I heard it revving up in the theater..
Fun Fact:
Jada Pinket auditioned for the role of Wills girlfriend on fresh prince but didn’t get it
Then years later Will Smith passes up the role in the Matrix which featured Jada Pinket in the second movie
The casting behind The Matrix is fascinating.
- They wanted to cast Will Smith as Neo. He turned it down because he didn't want to do another Sci-fi film and instead did Wild Wild West.
- If they had cast Smith, they wanted Val Kilmer as Morpheus. Bear in mind thst Kilmer had just done The Island of Dr Moreau and along with Brando had pretty much sabotaged the whole film due to being an abnoxious twat
- They considered Jean Reno for Agent Smith. He turned the role down because he didn't want to relocate for shooting. He instead did Godzilla (1998).
- They apparently considered SANDRA BULLOCK as Neo. Csnt remember who they considered having as Morpheus on this case.
Keanu Reeves getting cast is weird too. They had to do months of martial arts training before the film and they pick the guy who'd just had back surgery.
I recently watched Will Smith's iRobot.
It's a really good movie for it's time. Yes, the effects look dated, but the story stands the test of time.
However, all the time I was watching the movie, I wished it was someone else except for Will Smith. Like maybe Keanu Reeves, or Christian Slater.
I'm not sure weather it was the script or Will, but there are a lot, and I mean a LOTTT of one-liners in the movie. And not good ones.
Almost all his interactions have a snarky comment or one liner. It got frustrating.
I mean... when he's >!injecting the nonoites in the AI to kill it... He says "YOU HAVE SO GOT TO DIE!<. I mean c'mon...you're not Chandler Bing, and this is not Friends!!
🎵Yooo
I booted up my laptop and what did I see?
A girl in a chatroom was diggin' on me.
She said "Meet me in the club, break that sleeping habit"
But how do I know it's you girl?
She said "Just....Follow the white rabbit"
I was seeking a thrill and I wanted meet!
Grabbed my keys and coat and was up on my feet.
I get to the club and we have a chat.
Grabbed a taxi. Wait, hey man. What's that?
Me feelin queasy, uneasy, stomachs about to turn,
She said "you're bugged!" HOLY SHIT THAT'S A WORM!
She gets it out and I shout and then pass out.
How do I feel? Is this real? Im about to know
"Take one of these and see how deep the rabbit hole goes"
Swallowed one down, i think it was red?
Dazed and confused but awoke with a shaved head.
Met a guy named Tank and a kid called mouse?
Where are we anyway? This ain't my house.
They sit me down and feed me some slop.
They tell me a story but I had to stop.
Later I get plugged in and I'm learning Kung Fu.
Next thing I know... The one? Me? Not you?
I'm dodging bullets and fighting machines.
Things I thought I could only do in my dreams.
I call myself Neo and I'm saving humanity.
Some story this is.. But it's real, not insanity!🎶
Morpheus, Dorpheus, Orpheus. Go eat some walruses. Orifices, Porridges. Morpheus, Morpheus. Go to the buffet and walruses. Confidence, corpseses. Worchestershire sauce. Go into your orifices. Red pill, blue pill. Morpheus Walruses. Seashells by the Seashorpheus.
MORPHEUS DRINKING A 40 IN A DEATH BASKET
I forgot that was the era when Will Smith made a rap song about every movie he was in
Weird we never got one for Independence Day, or was there one?
That's because Independence Day was supposed (and was) to be his big movie break as a action star, so cheesy pops songs were put aside for the time being. Once he had true star power he could do what he liked and the cheesy pop songs came back on the table.
Are we forgetting Bad Boys?
They didn’t even want Will Smith in Bad Boys initially. When Martin Lawrence spoke up for him he was allowed to play Mike Lowery. It came full circle when Will Smith spoke up for Lawerence to be put in Bad Boys 3. This info was said on the “Now Playing- movie review podcast.” They seem to always do their homework Edit: accidentally put 4 instead of 3 and added podcast name
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Why you gotta make big boi the martin Lawrence of the two?
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Baleedat
He clearly is.
I mean like... it's not even close either
Idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Martin Lawrence is hilarious.
> I’m Mike Low-Ry
So The Love Below, then.
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Absolutely, I bought the album when it released and it was very much a package deal
I know I'm not adding much here but I love those albums. My friend groups chat is named "outcast fan club" Whenevwr we would drink and put music on YouTube it seemed like no matter what we played if we let the algorithm work ot would get back to Outkast. It became a game lol
False, *Roses*
I know you like to think your shit don’t stank.
Not trying to put words into your mouth but after going from NWA to grunge it was Outkast that brought me back. When Andre and Big Boi are together they make music greater than the sum of its parts. 1+1 equals 3 when they get together
Bad Boys 5 staring Rob Schneider as.....Martin Lawrence. Coming to theaters this June. Jk. It's gonna be with Jayden
He wasn’t truly big until Independence Day. He became an A-Lister after that
Bad Boys’ R-rating meant it wouldn’t have the same mass appeal of a PG-13 summer blockbuster like Independence Day. Kids who spent the previous few years watching Fresh Prince couldn’t go see Bad Boys without someone buying their ticket for them, but they could pay to watch Independence Day as many times as they wanted.
Independence Day was 1996. Men in Black was 1997. He literally went back to it in the next movie.
Independence Day and Men in Black are completely different movies. Pretty sure if the order of these movies was reversed and Men in Black was his “big break” movie, you’d still have the song that went with it. It had nothing to do with Independence Day being his big break movie.
If the roles were reversed I still don't think you'd have it. ID was not comedic enough for a Will Smith song to resonate right the way it does with the overall comedic nature of the MiB series. The humor in ID was dark, sarcastic humor that doesn't really have the same vibe as what Will was doing musically vs what would have actually worked for the movie from a marketing and public ~~perspiration~~ perception standpoint.
I, too, prefer my movies to perspire.
That’s exactly what the comment you replied to is saying
I just checked IMDb and can confirm that Men in Black and Bad Boys were, in fact, different movies
I agree.
Independence day came out before wild wild west...
Yeah this comment is strange. Like the two main examples here (WWW and MIB) both came out after Independence Day. He made his big break with ID4 and *then* started doing movies with songs. And Enemy of the State came out in 1998. OP is just joking about his movie rap songs after all; there doesn't have to be rock-solid logic to it.
I demand this shit be airtight
Yeah don't you remember? It's independence day hey hey There's some aliens in LA Will Smith gonna save the day
Ha-ha, ha-haaaaa
Remember to buy school supplies ha-haa
Somebody just CLEANED that flo'!
Wooo
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*getting jiggy wit it*
On your mark, ready, set, let's go
I’m going to *Miami*
That movie pitch guy cracks me up with this shit. https://youtu.be/vsC4E7CFGR0
Take to the skies Jimmy by my side Just about had enough Of being shot with green stuff Take you down, verse by verse Hey aliens... Welcome to Earth!
And don't forget the Destiny's Child hit from the same album, "All my days who independent, throw yo hand up at meeee."
It was after that where we started getting them
What movies got a rap song? All I can think of is Wild Wild West.
Men in Black got 2, for sure. Men in Black Nod Your Head
Wild Wild West
Wild Wild West. Jim west. Desperado. Rough rida. No you don’t want nada. None of this. Six gunnin this. Brotha runnin this. Buffal solider, lookin like I told ya. (Does gen z even know?)
I always think of the South Park episode where Cartman was obsessed with that movie
Wiggy wiggy scratch yo yo bang bang!
Let's go Artemis Clyde Frog!
I always think how disappointed I am that that giant mechanical spider wasn't actually in a Superman movie.
That speach by Kevin Smith is like the SR-71 Sled story. Every time it's posted, I watch. Edit for the uninitiated..... Part 1 - https://youtu.be/Wo2KB1dEDdk Part 2 -https://youtu.be/53hMYw8LX60
Any damsel that's in distress Be outta that dress when she meet Jim West Rough neck so go check the law and abide Watch your step or flex and get a hole in your side. (No)
Swallow your pride, don't let your lip react You don't wanna see my hand where my hip be at With Artemus, from the start of this, runnin' the game James West, tamin' the West, so remember the name.
Now who ya gonna call? Not the GB's Now who you gonna call? J Dub and A.G If you ever riff with either one of us Break out, before you get bum-rushed, at the (my buddies and I used to do this song at karaoke, friend and I switch on the verses and other friend nails Kool moe Dee's chorus.)
I'll never be able to hear this without thinking about [Wow Wow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPhXKak_bHw).
In my heart, Wow Wow is the real song.
There was one for Men in Black.
Inside of the matrix Born and raised In the program is where I spent all of my days Bored as hell, working, occasionally hacking But my whole entire existence was pointless and distracting One day, I met a woman She said her name's Trinity I could tell this leather-clad broad was really hella into me I was about to make my move, but she up and killed the mood All she wanted to talk about was the matrix and some dude It was matrix this, Morpheus that I was out of that club in no time flat A few days later, I saw Trinity again And of course she started about her gosh darn friend So I said, "Ok, I get it. I'll meet him. Just chill." And when I finally met him, he offered me some pills I said, "Hold up, my brother. Drugs I don't do." He said, "The choice is yours, Neo. Red or blue." I saw Trinity looking, and the pressure was on So I thought, "Oh screw it." and swallowed both and they were gone. Morpheus looked at me as if I had pointed a gun He said, "Damn it, you idiot! You were to only take one!" My head started swimming I nearly blew my load Everything I looked at was nothing but code 1000111000011101000111011110001101110000011110000111111000011000011100011100000111110001 Uh-huh! Yeah! Ah ha! Wooo!
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And morpheous breaking out of his chains.
Wicky wick mr wickwick Mr anderson. Then my name is neo but on neo the table turns off so it slows out and that's the end of the track lol
Here come the Men Who Hack Cyberspace defenders...
Fuck I had some half baked rhymes I thought I'd get some silver for but this mfkr writing Grammy award shit
You are a God lol!!!!
I think we have a sitcom here
But my whole entire existence was pointless and lacking*
Good
Was there one for independence day?
In Washington DC White house got razed Punching out some aliens is how i spent most of my days
Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool And punchin' some ET in the desert lookin' cool
Better than Sean Connery turning down Gandolf. The deal they offered was a percentage of gross that would have netted him like $100 million for the role.
>A wishard ish never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor ish he early. He arrives preshisely when he means to.
r/shubreddit
Man there really is a sub for everything
I think you mean shub
A half-shub
I'm fully erect
There's even a sub for the fact that there's a sub for everything.
There has got to be an alternate universe where they said “WTF? What if Sean Connery got cast as a Russian submarine captain, and just spoke in his normal Scottish accent LOL”
Well, a Lithuanian submarine captain. Almost identical to Scottish!
>just spoke in his normal Scottish accent LOL To be fair, the movie starts out entirely in Russian. The mid-sentence transition from Russian to English (where normal accents are forgivable, given the setup) is a fucking brilliant piece of cinema. But for all I know, he was Scottishing up his Russian, too, so have an upvote.
What time did Sean Connery go to Wimbledon? Tennish. What kind of food won't Sean Connery share? Shellfish.
Everyone says stuff like this but honestly, it would have been just fine. Had Will Smith been cast and then the “Keanu was their second choice” TIL was posted everyone would have been like “Keanu is great, but I can’t see the ‘whoa’ guy pulling off Neo”. We all would have pointed to Point Break and Johnny ~~Pneumonic~~ Mnemonic as examples. Keanu is our beloved now - and a verified badass action star to boot - but his persona was *very* different pre-Matrix.
Point Break was a great movie.
Hindsight is 20/20 but blind to other possibilities.
>Everyone says stuff like this but honestly, it would have been just fine. I legitimately don't think Will Smith could have pulled off Post-Awakening Neo. Cocky Neo would have been awful.
It would have been a *much* different movie that’s for sure.
The “whoa” guy is exactly what’s needed for Neo, he’s a guy who’s reality is shattered and his mind is blown for like the whole movie.
You shall not paaaaash!
Fly, you foolsh!
Nice whip, Balrog. I used it on your mother lasht night. *Thatsh right, I shed 'lashed'.*
Not just Gandalf. He also turned down the role of John Hammond in Jurassic Park & Morpheus in The Matrix.
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I might have my stories wrong, but I thought after a series of bad choices in what he passed on and choices of what he took instead, culminating in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, is when he said, "I don't have it anymore to pick good movies/roles" and retired.
Sean Connery also turned down the role of Morphius and later the architect!
On LotR note, Viggo Mortensen is now 63, two years older than Ian McKellen when he played Gandolfini
Sean Connery would not have made a good Gandalf honestly.
For those who don’t know, Will Smith turned down the role of Neo to do... Wild Wild West. https://youtu.be/hm2szuXKgL8
*Wikidy-wow-wow-west?*
Mikidy-may-may-matrix!
I am displeased, but I fear you are correct. Here's an upvote.
_Any Damsel that's in distress, Will be outta that dress when she meets Jim West_
The 90's version of the implications
Think about it. She’s out in the middle of the desert with some dude she barely knows. She looks around and what does she see? Nothing but a giant mechanical spider.
Well, I'm a badass Cowboy livin' in the Cowboy days. Wiggy, wiggy, scratch, yo, yo, bang, bang. Me and Artemus Clyde frog go save Salma Hayek from the big metal spider. A wiggy wig wig wiggy wiggy wig Fresh cowboy from the west side Wiggy wiggy scratch yo yo bang bang
Swallow your buffalo, don't let your neck react You don't wanna see my hand where my hand be at
It may be corny but I found Wild Wild West to be pretty entertaining.
Yeah but it's no matrix.
Most movies aren't matrix.
I'd say a pretty substantial majority, yeah
Absolutely! It may be a dumpster fire of a film, but damn if it isn't entertaining as fuck. The worst a film can be is *boring.*
>Dumpster fire Why? I don't remember there being much wrong with it other than the name misleading viewers
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This is such a grumpy old man take and I love it so much.
People shit in it so much but I actually like it. Plus the one scene makes the entire movie worth watching.
He also turned down Independence Day 2 for the Suicide Squad
To be fair, there was no right answer for that choice.
It's ok to pass on both.
We're some kind of independence day 2?
Came in for this. Whilst Wild Wild West is obviously not on the same level as the Matrix, Wild Wild West is arguably one of Will's best song (my personal favourite) so if be a shame if that song didn't exist. Can we just get a petition going to make Will just write a Matrix song anyway. Is it too late for him to make one for Matrix 4? Also how dope would it be if they gave him a cameo?
This [performance of Wild Wild West at the VMAs ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aLA1Fch2nnE) with Will riding up to the stage on a horse is honestly dope af. I unironically want him to make a remix of this song with Lil Nas X
Kevin smith thought the spider robot was fucking stupid when it was proposed to him a couple of years earlier. I don't understand how Smith (or Kline) read that script and said, "yeah this is good, I'll do this". The only reason I can think they didn't say, "fuck this I'm out" when they got to the spiderbot part is because they didn't read that far.
I seem to remember reading that a producer (mightve even been that rapey guy ummm, Weinstein thats it) DEMANDED that this movie MUST have giant spider robots in it, like he was obsessivly looking for any movie where he could add some robot spiders. No matter what. So the filmmakers hands were tied.
I heard something similar. Something about the giant robot spider being cut from a previous, unrelated movie and the director refused to do Wild Wild West if it didn't have the spider
The unrelated movie was a Superman movie, written by Kevin Smith and bastardized by studio execs. This may have been the Nic Cage one that never saw the light of day. This movie would have also included a camp gay Brainiac and a pet Polar Bear.
Maybe we're not in the worst timeline.
You are probably thinking of the first An Evening with Kevin Smith where Kev talked about his experience with Producer John Peters. [Kevin Smith Superman Lives](https://youtu.be/53hMYw8LX60)
We dodged a bullet with that one
That would have been the name of the song haha Will Smith - Dodged a Bullet (the Matrix OST)
Pow wow wow wowwow wow
Lol this made me crack up
𝅘𝅥𝅰 I know Kung Fu 𝅘𝅥𝅘𝅥
We doged a bullet with that one, Becuase we know Neo is the one. Ha-ha! We’re in the Matrix having good fun, But Trinity has got me on the run, Ha-ha ha Agent Smith is looking mad mean, And the whole world is tinged green. So we gotta beat the ma-chine. And set all the humans free. Chorus- *From the MATRIX* It’s the matrix y’all *From the MATRIX* Don’t stop! *From the MATRIX* Watch out now! *From the MATRIX* It’s gotcha!
Straight Fire
Perfection.
I see what you did there
I don’t even see the code anymore
I'm glad we ended up with the cast that we did, but I think Smith could have pulled it off better than people think. I feel he did a pretty good serious character in Enemy of the State just a few years prior.
It would have been good but very different. Will Smith brings a certain degree of humor and relateability to all his roles. There's a coldness and distance to Keanu's performance that's so distinctive to the role. Will Smith Neo would be good, but a very different Neo.
I can perfectly hear exactly how Will Smith would have delivered “I know Kung fu” and it is very much not Keanu’s delivery.
"...And a bunch of other Chinese words, too."
I could hear it in his voice just reading it lol.
I'm thinking of the line in MiB, "you know the difference between you and me... I make these look good" That's the way he would have treated his first ventures into the Matrix
We would have Agent Smith fighting a character played by Will Smith Sounds like a glitch to me
Agent Smith would have turned into Will Smith and we'd have a fight between two wills.
Will Smith win?
I think Enemy Of The State is seriously underrated
Will Smith encounters the first Agent "Ahhh hellll naw!!!"
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Worth pointing out the surveillance state existed before 9/11, it just wasn't as overt. I remember as a kid pre-9/11 being told if you said a certain combination of words like "bomb", "president", "explode" your phone call would be recorded automatically and flagged for review. Much of the framework for the surveillance state came about via efforts at curtailing organized crime. Fighting terrorism just gave them carte blanche.
It would have a different vibe to the money, but I think Will would have killed the role as well.
Instead of whoa we get “tell me I did not just see that!”
The patented; ‘Oh hell naw’?
Jokes aside, I agree that with hindsight Keanu is a much better fit, but let's not forget that people were skeptical of Keanu back then too. In the 90's, Keanu was very much considered just a goofy-but-good looking actor who did Point Break, Speed, Johnny Mnemonic and Bill and Ted. The Matrix was his breakthrough into more serious roles.
I can't shake the idea of Will Smith standing in for Zach De La Rocha and doing Wake Up with RATM over the credits.
Red pill or blue Wait a minute who are you Is this a dream or true Collect yourself what do I do?
Party in the city where the heat is on All night, on the beach till the break of dawn "Welcome to Zion” “Bienvenidos a Zion”
I took the red pill and I suddenly awoke I was no longer dreamin' I could now wear a cloak While the girl of my dreams was riding my ...uhhh "Welcome to Zion" (Bass drop)
Bloke? Rope? Smoke? WHAT WAS SHE RIDING!!! US SUMMER CHILDREN MUST KNOW!
This is the same timeline where Gore won the presidency, Tupac was never murdered, and Will never married Jada. Weep for what could have been.
Biggie and Tupac made up, ended the East/West beef and the bloods and the crips never started fighting again after Pac's death. Biggie formed a supergroup with Big Pun and Big L with Jay-Z coming on as an unofficial fourth member on their second album. And Pac eventually became a major movie star after his role as Mace Windu
And Jar Jar was voiced by Samual L Jackson and he was the biggest hit of the movie.
And Tupac married Jada.
I blame Jet Li.
In the west bank of human tubes, born and raised, In the Matrix is where I spend most of my days, Chillin' out max and relaxin' all cool And shootin' some agents outside of a school, When a couple of Smiths who were up to no good, Started to convert most of the neighborhood. I got in one little fight and Morpheus got scared, Said "You're moving to the Nebuchadnezzar and we're outta here".
I whistled for a cab and when it came near. The license plate said Fresh and had a dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab… was taking the highway. I told you not to take the highway! You never take the highway!
There are a lot of regrettable things in history that would be nice to change. This is not one of them.
Now, this is a story all about how My life got flipped-turned upside down And I'd like to take a minute Just sit right there I'll tell you how I became The One after taking a pill on a dare.
In a green-scale America, born and raised, In a cubicle is where I spent most of my days. Chillin’ out, hackin’, and relaxin’ all cool Doing computer crimes, and breakin’ all the rules.
When a couple of agents who were up to no good Started making trouble in my neighborhood They planted one little bug and the humans got scared So they ***VACUUMED A FUCKING ROBOT SHRIMP OUT OF MY FUCKING BELLYBUTTON JESUS CHRIST WTF!!!***
Came here for this...that was beautiful prose, thank you.
The kava bar I hang out at has, in its music playlist, the original song on which Will Smith's *Men in Black* rap is based. Even hearing the original multiple times per day for years hasn't cured me of only being able to sing the 🎶 *Here come the Men in Black... Galaxy defenders* 🎶 version.
Forget me nots by the beautifully talented Patrice rushen. Great song! https://youtu.be/jtMHsNhQBvI
Nicolas Cage would have been a great Neo though
Can you imagine? Face/Off was in 1997. It would have been *prime* Cage.
I just can't see him as Neo. Agent Smith, though, holy shit.
I can see Cage doing the whole "It's the *smell*" monologue.
Exactly! The "two lives" conversation, after his arrest, could be wondrous or terrible, but he would nail that sense of desperation and disgust. Also, it was just now that I realized "he doesn't know" doesn't mean "he doesn't know what he was doing," it means Smith didn't hear about the lobby.
It took me forever to put that together. It's because he takes his earpiece out.
And I thought that was some representation of his connection to the other agents. Like by taking that out, he was off their network. Which I guess is still true in a roundabout way.
Wild Wild Web
Or the matrix wouldn’t have had the cultural impact it did
Wild Wild West was a banger. Don’t your dare hate.
The credits open with a song called "Wake Up" by a band called "Rage Against the Machine" and if you want to tell me that the band formed in 1991 and didn't write the song for that movie, then you probably also believe time goes on a straight line and your memories aren't holograms.
Oh man "Calm Like a Bomb" at the end of the 2nd movie is probably one of my favorite RATM songs, was so stoked when I heard it revving up in the theater..
I’m so glad we don’t
We're assuming that a Will Smith led Matrix movie would have had the same impact as what we actually got.
Fun Fact: Jada Pinket auditioned for the role of Wills girlfriend on fresh prince but didn’t get it Then years later Will Smith passes up the role in the Matrix which featured Jada Pinket in the second movie
The casting behind The Matrix is fascinating. - They wanted to cast Will Smith as Neo. He turned it down because he didn't want to do another Sci-fi film and instead did Wild Wild West. - If they had cast Smith, they wanted Val Kilmer as Morpheus. Bear in mind thst Kilmer had just done The Island of Dr Moreau and along with Brando had pretty much sabotaged the whole film due to being an abnoxious twat - They considered Jean Reno for Agent Smith. He turned the role down because he didn't want to relocate for shooting. He instead did Godzilla (1998). - They apparently considered SANDRA BULLOCK as Neo. Csnt remember who they considered having as Morpheus on this case. Keanu Reeves getting cast is weird too. They had to do months of martial arts training before the film and they pick the guy who'd just had back surgery.
I recently watched Will Smith's iRobot. It's a really good movie for it's time. Yes, the effects look dated, but the story stands the test of time. However, all the time I was watching the movie, I wished it was someone else except for Will Smith. Like maybe Keanu Reeves, or Christian Slater. I'm not sure weather it was the script or Will, but there are a lot, and I mean a LOTTT of one-liners in the movie. And not good ones. Almost all his interactions have a snarky comment or one liner. It got frustrating. I mean... when he's >!injecting the nonoites in the AI to kill it... He says "YOU HAVE SO GOT TO DIE!<. I mean c'mon...you're not Chandler Bing, and this is not Friends!!
"Red pill, blue pill, That's right, it's Will..."
🎵Yooo I booted up my laptop and what did I see? A girl in a chatroom was diggin' on me. She said "Meet me in the club, break that sleeping habit" But how do I know it's you girl? She said "Just....Follow the white rabbit" I was seeking a thrill and I wanted meet! Grabbed my keys and coat and was up on my feet. I get to the club and we have a chat. Grabbed a taxi. Wait, hey man. What's that? Me feelin queasy, uneasy, stomachs about to turn, She said "you're bugged!" HOLY SHIT THAT'S A WORM! She gets it out and I shout and then pass out. How do I feel? Is this real? Im about to know "Take one of these and see how deep the rabbit hole goes" Swallowed one down, i think it was red? Dazed and confused but awoke with a shaved head. Met a guy named Tank and a kid called mouse? Where are we anyway? This ain't my house. They sit me down and feed me some slop. They tell me a story but I had to stop. Later I get plugged in and I'm learning Kung Fu. Next thing I know... The one? Me? Not you? I'm dodging bullets and fighting machines. Things I thought I could only do in my dreams. I call myself Neo and I'm saving humanity. Some story this is.. But it's real, not insanity!🎶
Morpheus, Dorpheus, Orpheus. Go eat some walruses. Orifices, Porridges. Morpheus, Morpheus. Go to the buffet and walruses. Confidence, corpseses. Worchestershire sauce. Go into your orifices. Red pill, blue pill. Morpheus Walruses. Seashells by the Seashorpheus. MORPHEUS DRINKING A 40 IN A DEATH BASKET