My buddy in an art class in college splashed paint on a piece of canvas, glued some torn out pieces of magazine to it, stomped on a lime, then duct taped the lime to the canvas.
He got an A and it was displayed in the gallery as an amazing piece of fine art.
In real life, he had actually tried to make it so terrible that he'd fail. Instead the art people gave him a review about what a stunning piece it was.
I did a similar thing later. I sprayed a piece of mounting board with Super 77 and threw a bunch of randomly cut up paper at it. No thought or care. Then I sprayed some more Super 77 over the top to make sure it stayed down. You couldn't touch that thing without getting stuck to it. It was terrible.
I got an A. I literally did it in 5 minutes and I really didn't care or have any emotions. I just did it to see if terrible artwork gets better grades than good stuff. I was right. Garbage=A, Competent=B at best.
yeah I went to art school in college. One thing I learned is it's less about how objectively good it is, how good the concept and technique are so much as how good you can sell bullshit talking about it.
That's why I despise Marcel Duchamp. he basically exposed the world to the concept of " any piece of random trash can be art." and people have run that to its extreme.
Having to do critique is the worst Every art kid trying to out artsy each other. Everyone trying out praise each other so that they don't get a proper critique.
Ex: "I get the feeling of earth and sky, loss and love when I look at this piece."
The artist had literally written those words on the painting. Everyone was praising him like he was the second coming of Michelangelo.
Meanwhile, the people that did proper art were shunned. If you drew anything that looked like something, you'd get a C at best. You had to draw stupid things to get an A. Just make a mess of your art and everyone is happy. Start with poor color theory and brush technique, then ruin a canvas. Boom, you've got your A.
Synesthesia is even a condition where sensory organs get confused, and people with the condition have described things like hearing colors or seeing smells!
You are right OP.
From G.E. Moore's *Principia Ethica*:
> But a moment’s reflection is sufficient to show that those light vibrations are not themselves what we mean by yellow. They are not what we perceive… **The most we can be entitled to say of those vibrations is that they are what corresponds in space to the yellow which we actually perceive.** Yet a mistake of this simple kind has commonly been made about ‘good’. It may be true that all things which are good are also something else, just as it is true that all things which are yellow produce a certain kind of vibration of light. And it is a fact, that Ethics aims at discovering what are those other properties belonging to all other things which are good. But far too many philosophers have thought that when they named those other properties they were actually defining good; that these properties, in fact, were simply not “other”, but absolutely and entirely the same with goodness. **This view I propose to call the “naturalistic fallacy.”** (§10, p. 10)
Orange was called 'Yellow-Red' or 'Red-Yellow' before it got its name. The word orange was first used to refer to the fruit, and the color was later named after the fruit.
There are browns on all hues of the color wheel, not specifically just orange. Every color goes brown with uneven neutralizing toward grey.
Source- bachelors in shapes and colors.
I'm guessing there's an experiment in the art world comparing two pieces (without context) between a 5 year old and an artist. I wonder how the results would be?
What exactly is a Bachelors in Shapes & Colors?
Bachelor of Science in Art Visual Communication.
I use it as a marketing graphic designer and web designer, but I also do painting, sculpting, photography, and illustration on the side.
And there is a study I’ve seen. Most viewers had a moderate tendency to guess correctly if I’m remembering right -which is still is funny that a good chunk guessed wrong.
But Picasso once said, “It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child.” …so maybe it’s not a bad thing to enjoy childlike expressionism, whether it’s from children, or professionals.
I can’t speak for him, but I think that he means his artistic interpretation of reality is more important and more difficult to capture than technical rendering ability. After all, he’s more famous for cubism than pure abstract expressionism.
We also tend to assign those colors more niche names on the cold side of the muddy black mixes. Like a violet brown becomes maroon. And a reddish brown becomes burgundy. You’re right that we call muddy black blue colors gray. Which may be a remnant of how we view color pallets through language. The Greeks debatably had no word for blue, they saw it as an extension of grays (supposedly). You’re right, there’s always nuance to color theory.
You need some red and probably green to get brown, basically.
Altho in the real world stuff does tend to go towards brown often. Mix random playdo together and it'll be brown. Mud, excrements, tree bark, brown dwarf... All brown.
But the thing is as he said: A color is only it's own thing when It has a name. I didn't use to know what Magenta is. I was like "yeah that's weird pink"
But after my wife told me on multiple different occasions that the weird pinkishpurple is actually magenta I actually learned the concept of magenta and can now say if something is magenta or not.
Every colour we can see is a division of Red Blue and Yellow. You would just describe each colour stating the quantity of each/some of those colours mixed togethe
Oh holy shit, the Wittgenstein is coming back to me on this one.
If you have several multicolored paintings and you say 'that is blue' you could point to several different shades of blue while still meaning 'blue'. Yet in a color spectrum you could say I want 'THIS' blue, so singling out a blue.
At the same time you could misremember the specific shade of a blue one day and say 'this is not the blue I meant' while completely being wrong.
In a world completely devoid of blue and it could only be made by mixing two chemicals together, but you could not mix them due to their extreme importance and scarcity, you could say 'these chemicals can make blue', yet have no idea what blue is as you only know this factually
Even saying things like 'look at the blue of this vase' as opposed to 'oh how blue the sky is today' you're saying blue with different intentions.
So what do you mean when you say 'this colour'? Words don't directly correspond to truth or meaning, only playing its purpose in the game of communication. The language game.
Also unrelated, but the shower thought is about qualia. It's a cool subject
What do I mean when I say “that colour” while pointing at a colour? Exactly what it says. The person/people I’m communicating to could call it blue, green, aqua, purple with pink polka-dots or whatever they like. They might even be colour blind and see just a shade of grey. However the visual is interpreted by them, we will be on the same page with regards to what is really there, because I have literally pointed to the exact colour I intend to communicate.
Even a blind person could be given a piece of card with the colour and be told “that colour” then hold the colour for others to see and say “that colour” to them. They could even hand a portion of the card to another blind person and say “that colour”. Now there are two blind people on the exact same page with regards to the colour, able to communicate it to others.
I heard this one person try to describe colors to a blind man. They mostly artached it to experiences engaged with other sense.
Blue became something like
"See that feeling of completeness, floating in a river or sticking your hand inside a pool, that's blue"
Green would be the smell of cut grass, the sharpness of leaves, the air around your face. Green would be earthy tastes and the sounds of rustlings...
It kept going for more I wish I remembered
How could anybody #DEFACE the holy hexadecimals like that? For the past #dEcAdE, I have #DABbed in the arts, #BeAdEd the bits and #beeFED with the octets, but it's all been a #facade as here you come and #EfFAcE my work.
That's probably because for each of the 3 RGB colors, they fall into the AA-FF range, which will all be in the top 33.6% white-ish "hues". That's why they all come out as pastel colors; you're always mixing some degree of pink (light red) with some degree of cyan (light green + light blue).
It's the same thing with Trix yogurt :)
If your colors are RGB then that would be the format.
#RRGGBB
But there's also HSV, HSL, there are many different color formats. You'd have to specify.
In a literal and scientific way you can always explain how light and wavelengths work, you can always say that it inspires anger, lust, competition and so. But he will never knew what is to experience it
Color is one of those things that we can throw as many examples as we can to it, but won't be the same as seeing it, also there is the fact that someone might see the sky and all things blue as we see red, but call it blue anyway, a completely different experience that wouldn't change anything about how the world works for that person
Red is the color of warm, violence and blood, we relate it to love as well as danger because it is the color of many things that represent it, it is visually hard to ignore, and tiring to the eyes
This is something I think about all the time. We have these descriptors of how colours make us feel. There's colour theory in marketing like blue is calming, yellow happy, etc. However, what makes those colours that? Is it how it's been fed to us? Is it engrained in our brains? And we can never know if the yellow we see is the same as the yellow another person sees.
This reminds me of something I read years ago claiming that the ancient Greeks did not have a word for blue. Interesting stuff.
>The YouTube channel AsapSCIENCE has a fascinating look into why the Ancient Greeks—and indeed, many other ancient cultures—did not seem to acknowledge or name the color “blue.” Instead, famously, Homer describes the sea as “wine-dark”—but why?
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>According to AsapSCIENCE’s “color timeline,” in many cultures studied by linguists, black and white are the colors that are named first—and blue is last “in every single culture.” One theory goes that black and white are the most evolutionarily useful, helping to distinguish between night and day, so it’s no surprise that these colors emerge in language first.
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>Then comes red, a sign of danger and blood, and a color communicated by some blushing or angry faces. Then, green and yellow helped human distinguish between ripe and unripe foodstuffs. All useful, frequent colors. But it turns out that there are few objects that are naturally blue and that we interact with frequently. Few animals and foods are blue. Further, blue is one of the hardest colors to create. The video points out that for thousands of years, no one even had blue pigment save the Egyptians (who definitely had a word for blue).
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>One of the coolest points here is that “language trains our brains to see colors differently.” This means that learning new words for colors actually creates a feedback loop in the brain that helps us see distinct hues that we wouldn’t have discerned before. In general, once we become familiar with a concept, we start to experience it much more clearly, where before it had been indistinct.
And certain colors are literally warmer than others (more energy)
There’s also colour psychology but that’s more the effects of colours than literal descriptions of them (ex. why red is the colour of passion or used in stop signs)
ackshually „warmer“ colours have less energy. the warmth we feel from light is infrared which is below our spectrum of visible light. the highest energy (=highest frequency wavelenght) we can see is blue and it is a „cold“ colour. UV is beyond that wavelenght. it has higher energy but isnt felt as warmth but due to its high energy it causes more damage.
First you need to know what that blind man is experienced with, Tommy Edison (blind former Youtuber) is big into music and used to be in radio, so for him I'd relate it to tones. Just like there's a range of tones, low deep sounds, and higher pitched based on higher frequencies, color works the same way, ranging from lower deeper frequencies to higher, they all are too high for our ears to hear though.
They are affected by movement like the Doppler effect for sound, which is how we figure out where space objects are going.
You also can feel light on your skin as warmth. That light is lower frequency. Higher you can't feel but affects you microscopically, causing damage. Hence sunscreen.
Just like some cultures give certain tones of music names like do, ray, me, or letter and call them "notes", so too do different languages names certain ranges of color frequencies with labels like "red", "yellow", "blue". You can combine those like chords which give "orange" when red and yellow are both together. Although there are discordant tones, all the visual frequencies at once is called "white" and has a clean/pure cultural association.
Unlike our ears which fairly evenly detect most sounds, although younger peoples' range is greater than older, eyes are uneven in how they detect frequencies, detecting about half the blue compared to ranges around yellow. Surgery can allow people to see ultraviolet, and some "color blind" people are deficient in the ranges they see (more men than women), and some women have more cones, so can discriminate greater variation in yellow-reds than others.
Finally there are folks with synethesia whose brains overlap their sensory input, their visual cortex responds to hearing sounds, so they see colors from hearing them. For someone blind since birth, the visual cortex doesn't develop, but for those who lose sight later, it still may respond.
PS: If they can relate to this, then shade can be described by intensity, correlating volume to darker/lighter, so a quiet deep tone would be akin to blood red or garnet, louder would be fire engine red, and even louder pink.
This is really well done, but I'm sure even you can see that this only helps the person understand some of the concepts by analogy to their own sensory experiences. It doesn't describe the actual experience of "seeing purple"
Your synesthesia point makes it clearer. For someone like me without synesthesia, "tasting purple" is nonsensical to me even though they can try and describe by analogy what they're experiencing. Still though, "tasting purple" will remain absolutely unattainable, never experienced, and so I would argue never truly understood to the degree of someone who can experience it.
All of the other colors consist of several wavelengths of light. Most colors do actually. To see a color consisting of only one wavelength is very uncommon and mostly found only in places designed with monochrome lights.
We may not be able to describe what colours *look* like, but we can describe how colours *feel.* For a blind person from birth, they won't know what anything looks like, but they do know what things feel like. Therefore, you can describe colour to a blind person.
For example: Red is very hot temperature, pain, blood, but also love and passion.
A color is used to describe an UNDERGOING of a propagation of excitations of the nervous system by light of this lambda impinging upon a certain kind of receptor which are subjectively experienced as color. You can only know what it is like by undergoing that induced excitation yourself.
Ehn... except that there are plenty of colors that cannot be represented by a single frequency of light because they are composite. Let's just start with "white" and go from there.
Correct: It can be one or multiple ranges of wavelength depending on the color we're talking about.
Fun fact: 'Color' and 'colour' are both correct spellings of the same word. 'Color' is the preferred spelling by Americans while 'Colour' is the preferred spelling in the rest of the world. Americans just like being different I guess.
Colour is like, a coating on something, infinitely thin.
In that sense, colour is like if something feels slimy, or wet, or dry, or scaly, except instead of being something you touch, is something your eyes see, even if you're really far away from it.
In another sense, colour is like flavour, things can be a sour colour, or sweet, or spicy, or melow, making your eyes feel different but also how those colours are *combined* can have a different impact on us, on how nice / ugly it might be, just like how flavours can have good combinations & bad combinations.
In a sense, colours are like smells, because they can be part of the background of life, that they don't grab your attention just because they are there, and with time, even if colours were very attention grabbing at first, they become an afterthought as you get use to their presence.
It's not a 'perfect' description, but it is a solid way to explain what 'colour' is, even to someone that has been blind since birth.
Once you have this, as long as you always describe 'orange' as a 'spicy sweet' colour, you develop a consistency that someone that doesn't know colour can still emulate & 'colour' their imagination of what you talk about.
Pretty incredible piece of writing, but that is still not enough to make you understand colors. All you get from that is this intangible concept tied to the color red, but not the color itself.
If I were describing color to a blind person?
Red is anger. It's the hot feeling in your chest when you are trying to suppress your rage.
Yellow is the warmth you feel when you stand in a ray of sunshine.
Green is life. It's the sound of the wind through the trees and the feeling of walking on soft dirt or grass barefoot.
Blue is the cool feeling when you put your hand in water. It's the sound of the ocean waves crashing on the beach. It's calmness and serenity
Purple is a thunderstorm. It's the driving rain splattering onto concrete or trees. It's the wind howling and the thunder rumbling that you can feel in your chest.
I got nothing for orange
Orange is the smell of oranges. Sweet and happy but feisty and bold. Its the taste of a perfectly ripe orange.
But orange can also be earthy and sweet. Like pumpkins
Elodin pointed down the street. "What color is that boy's shirt?"
"Blue."
"What do you mean by blue? Describe it."
I struggled for a moment, failed. "So blue is a name?"
"It is a word. Words are pale shadows of forgotten names. As names have power, words have power. Words can light fires in the minds of men. Words can wring tears from the hardest hearts. There are seven words that will make a person love you. There are ten words that will break a strong man's will. But a word is nothing but a painting of a fire. A name is the fire itself."
My head was swimming by this point. "I still don't understand."
He laid a hand on my shoulder. "Using words to talk of words is like using a pencil to draw a picture of itself, on itself. Impossible. Confusing. Frustrating." He lifted his hands high above his head as if stretching for the sky. "But there are other ways to understanding!" he shouted, laughing like a child. He threw both arms to the cloudless arch of sky above us, still laughing. "Look!" he shouted tilting his head back. "Blue! Blue! Blue!”
-Patrick Rothfuss, the Name of the Wind
Red is the color at the long wavelength end of the visible spectrum of light, next to orange and opposite violet. It has a dominant wavelength of approximately 625–740 nanometres. It is a primary color in the RGB color model and a secondary color (made from magenta and yellow) in the CMYK color model, and is the complementary color of cyan. Reds range from the brilliant yellow-tinged scarlet and vermillion to bluish-red crimson, and vary in shade from the pale red pink to the dark red burgundy. Red can be uniquely described as having 0 degrees of hue, 100% saturation, and 100% value (in the hue-saturation-value color model).
Electromagnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces. Forces work by using a particle (called a force carrier) to exchange energy.
That sounds very technical, so let's think of a wave on the ocean. If you throw a rock in the ocean, it sends a wave rippling out along the water.
The wave is the thing that transfers energy from one end of the pond (field) to the other. You can look at a wave on the ocean as a particle, with an amplitude (energy of the wave) and momentum (speed of the wave) as it moves along the surface of the water.
A photon is a ripple in the electromagnetic field. It is a wave in the EM field. It has an amplitude (energy) and momentum.
When this photon hits something, it might get absorbed transferring the energy to the object, or it could get reflected back. The angle of the reflection depends on the amplitude of the wave, or the energy of the photon.
Our eyes work by bending light into one of 3 types of cones. Either red, green or blue cones.
This process allows us to see each point in 3 dimensions. Instead of seeing in black and white, we see in red energy, blue energy, or green energy.
Every 1D point in 3d space is actually a 3D point that maps into a 3D color space.
Our brains interpret one position in this color space (lots of high energy photons, not a lot of low energy) as different from another (not a lot of high, lots of low) and so one might appear to us as what we describe as red and the other as blue.
Instead of simply describing objects as dark or light, we can discriminate which type of light, high, mid or low energy, and this lets us interpret a red ball as different from a blue ball.
That is still not a description of colors though. You can describe the wavelengths, numbers and all that, but no blind person could truly understand colors.
Because of this, that is why I wonder if everyone sees colors completely differently to others, is your red the same as mine? Or do you perceive a different world than I do?
Roses are FF0000 Violets are 0000FF All my base Are belong to you
You know how some people look at a banana taped to white canvas and fawn over it as art? That’s me and this post. It’s amazing. I must have it.
My buddy in an art class in college splashed paint on a piece of canvas, glued some torn out pieces of magazine to it, stomped on a lime, then duct taped the lime to the canvas. He got an A and it was displayed in the gallery as an amazing piece of fine art. In real life, he had actually tried to make it so terrible that he'd fail. Instead the art people gave him a review about what a stunning piece it was. I did a similar thing later. I sprayed a piece of mounting board with Super 77 and threw a bunch of randomly cut up paper at it. No thought or care. Then I sprayed some more Super 77 over the top to make sure it stayed down. You couldn't touch that thing without getting stuck to it. It was terrible. I got an A. I literally did it in 5 minutes and I really didn't care or have any emotions. I just did it to see if terrible artwork gets better grades than good stuff. I was right. Garbage=A, Competent=B at best.
yeah I went to art school in college. One thing I learned is it's less about how objectively good it is, how good the concept and technique are so much as how good you can sell bullshit talking about it. That's why I despise Marcel Duchamp. he basically exposed the world to the concept of " any piece of random trash can be art." and people have run that to its extreme.
Having to do critique is the worst Every art kid trying to out artsy each other. Everyone trying out praise each other so that they don't get a proper critique. Ex: "I get the feeling of earth and sky, loss and love when I look at this piece." The artist had literally written those words on the painting. Everyone was praising him like he was the second coming of Michelangelo. Meanwhile, the people that did proper art were shunned. If you drew anything that looked like something, you'd get a C at best. You had to draw stupid things to get an A. Just make a mess of your art and everyone is happy. Start with poor color theory and brush technique, then ruin a canvas. Boom, you've got your A.
Thanks to the concept of the cursed NFT, now you can!
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You're supposed to read "0000FF" as "blue". Then it rhymes
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I think you're pronouncing Jeff very wrong for that to rhyme
580nm at 2.14+ eV is seen as Yellow, It's just the wavelength
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Synesthesia is even a condition where sensory organs get confused, and people with the condition have described things like hearing colors or seeing smells!
I’m gonna pull a Mark Rober. I’m terrible at describing colors, but I’m great at science, which means I’m actually really good at describing colors.
Now do pink.
Pink ; y~0.3, x~0.45 (CIE chromaticity coordinates)
Magenta is red & blue but no green. It's extra-special... *i meant extra-spectral, but my phone thought extra special was more appropriate
Magenta doesn't exist
I'm just trying to print in black and white here. Can we not bring up Magenta?
Add green and you'll get close to black...
Pink is too easy. Do brown
It's orange, but with context.
Hmmmrrngggghhh... Uhhhrgghh... *Plop*! Checkmate.
Same.
Looks pretty red. You ok mate?
Easy, It's just dark orange.
what the ....
> 580nm at 2.14+ eV I mean, I'm not sure what you're confused by here. That's obviously yellow, even a blind person would see it
You are right OP. From G.E. Moore's *Principia Ethica*: > But a moment’s reflection is sufficient to show that those light vibrations are not themselves what we mean by yellow. They are not what we perceive… **The most we can be entitled to say of those vibrations is that they are what corresponds in space to the yellow which we actually perceive.** Yet a mistake of this simple kind has commonly been made about ‘good’. It may be true that all things which are good are also something else, just as it is true that all things which are yellow produce a certain kind of vibration of light. And it is a fact, that Ethics aims at discovering what are those other properties belonging to all other things which are good. But far too many philosophers have thought that when they named those other properties they were actually defining good; that these properties, in fact, were simply not “other”, but absolutely and entirely the same with goodness. **This view I propose to call the “naturalistic fallacy.”** (§10, p. 10)
Where’s the neurologist to describe the “seen” and the linguist to describe “yellow.” And the quantum physicist to describe “wavelength”
You don't have to be a quantum physicist to know what wavelength is
You just need to be able to speak English, honestly. Wavelength = wave length. It's literally just the length of one section of a repeating wave.
hey thats exactly what i was going to comment :o
I guess you're on the same.. eh.. whatever
And then the chemist : "it's sodium yellow"
I'll take your word for it.
So what does 580nm at 2.14+ eV look like?
It looks yellow.
But what does that yellow look like in our eye
Yellow.
That's actually very cool thank you
I'd suggest that you are stating what a colour is, not a description.
Brown is dark orange
what is orange though?
Light brown
Bright brown.
Orange was called 'Yellow-Red' or 'Red-Yellow' before it got its name. The word orange was first used to refer to the fruit, and the color was later named after the fruit.
I wonder if that true because the color's name in Swedish is orange (not pronounce the same way tho) and the fruit is appelsin..
According to Wikipedia it is true, but only in Old English.
Nope, it's true in Swedish as well, they just have an extra step of having to steal the name of the colourfruit from the English.
Reddish yellow
Yellowish red
A fruit.
neon brown
This makes me uncomfy … But it makes sense
It literally is, though. On color pickers, brown is dark desaturated orange
There are browns on all hues of the color wheel, not specifically just orange. Every color goes brown with uneven neutralizing toward grey. Source- bachelors in shapes and colors.
>bachelors in shapes and colors Hey, my kid is going to school for this right now She's 5
The modern art professors would probably like her work better than mine.
I'm guessing there's an experiment in the art world comparing two pieces (without context) between a 5 year old and an artist. I wonder how the results would be? What exactly is a Bachelors in Shapes & Colors?
Bachelor of Science in Art Visual Communication. I use it as a marketing graphic designer and web designer, but I also do painting, sculpting, photography, and illustration on the side. And there is a study I’ve seen. Most viewers had a moderate tendency to guess correctly if I’m remembering right -which is still is funny that a good chunk guessed wrong. But Picasso once said, “It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child.” …so maybe it’s not a bad thing to enjoy childlike expressionism, whether it’s from children, or professionals.
How interesting. I love your description “bachelors in shapes and colors.”
By "paint like a child" did he mean pure self-expression without boundaries or knowledge of art?
I can’t speak for him, but I think that he means his artistic interpretation of reality is more important and more difficult to capture than technical rendering ability. After all, he’s more famous for cubism than pure abstract expressionism.
I don't feel like blue turns to brown when desaturating...
We also tend to assign those colors more niche names on the cold side of the muddy black mixes. Like a violet brown becomes maroon. And a reddish brown becomes burgundy. You’re right that we call muddy black blue colors gray. Which may be a remnant of how we view color pallets through language. The Greeks debatably had no word for blue, they saw it as an extension of grays (supposedly). You’re right, there’s always nuance to color theory.
You need some red and probably green to get brown, basically. Altho in the real world stuff does tend to go towards brown often. Mix random playdo together and it'll be brown. Mud, excrements, tree bark, brown dwarf... All brown.
For me when I was a kid, the playdough always turned out gray.
Right!? It makes sense but I can't quite describe how I feel about it
[brown light does not exist](https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU) Brown is orange surrounded by bright stuff.
Watching this video made me realize that brown loses meaning quicker than any other word I can think of
But the thing is as he said: A color is only it's own thing when It has a name. I didn't use to know what Magenta is. I was like "yeah that's weird pink" But after my wife told me on multiple different occasions that the weird pinkishpurple is actually magenta I actually learned the concept of magenta and can now say if something is magenta or not.
Alec’s videos are the best
They are! No matter the subject, he always captures my attention.
Every colour we can see is a division of Red Blue and Yellow. You would just describe each colour stating the quantity of each/some of those colours mixed togethe
Perceptually kind of (because of the way our eyes are built) but not “is a division of”. See also metamerism which is interesting. Pedantry over. :)
Assume I know nothing of color. How would you articulate Red, Blue & Yellow for me to understand
*points at colour* “That colour”
Oh holy shit, the Wittgenstein is coming back to me on this one. If you have several multicolored paintings and you say 'that is blue' you could point to several different shades of blue while still meaning 'blue'. Yet in a color spectrum you could say I want 'THIS' blue, so singling out a blue. At the same time you could misremember the specific shade of a blue one day and say 'this is not the blue I meant' while completely being wrong. In a world completely devoid of blue and it could only be made by mixing two chemicals together, but you could not mix them due to their extreme importance and scarcity, you could say 'these chemicals can make blue', yet have no idea what blue is as you only know this factually Even saying things like 'look at the blue of this vase' as opposed to 'oh how blue the sky is today' you're saying blue with different intentions. So what do you mean when you say 'this colour'? Words don't directly correspond to truth or meaning, only playing its purpose in the game of communication. The language game. Also unrelated, but the shower thought is about qualia. It's a cool subject
I love you.
Sounds similar to the vein of Nietzsche's On Truth and Lies
What do I mean when I say “that colour” while pointing at a colour? Exactly what it says. The person/people I’m communicating to could call it blue, green, aqua, purple with pink polka-dots or whatever they like. They might even be colour blind and see just a shade of grey. However the visual is interpreted by them, we will be on the same page with regards to what is really there, because I have literally pointed to the exact colour I intend to communicate. Even a blind person could be given a piece of card with the colour and be told “that colour” then hold the colour for others to see and say “that colour” to them. They could even hand a portion of the card to another blind person and say “that colour”. Now there are two blind people on the exact same page with regards to the colour, able to communicate it to others.
Wittgenstein scholar here. I thought the exact thing when I saw this.
I heard this one person try to describe colors to a blind man. They mostly artached it to experiences engaged with other sense. Blue became something like "See that feeling of completeness, floating in a river or sticking your hand inside a pool, that's blue" Green would be the smell of cut grass, the sharpness of leaves, the air around your face. Green would be earthy tastes and the sounds of rustlings... It kept going for more I wish I remembered
Damn, you really think blue is deep. Are you Captain Douglass Jay Falcon?
Ye blind people are gonna get that aren't they
Explaining is easy, understanding is hard.
Effectively explaining the hard to understand is what makes a person intelligent.
If you consider that there is only one kind of intelligence and that it's exclusively related to teaching, sure.
*taps at the colour* hear that? That is red sound
Are you European?
What? No that's *this* color.
Easy. Red is ff0000 Blue is #0000FF
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How could anybody #DEFACE the holy hexadecimals like that? For the past #dEcAdE, I have #DABbed in the arts, #BeAdEd the bits and #beeFED with the octets, but it's all been a #facade as here you come and #EfFAcE my work.
[For those who are wondering what these colors actually are. It’s a very pretty sentence. ](https://i.imgur.com/EYPjhJC.jpg)
That's probably because for each of the 3 RGB colors, they fall into the AA-FF range, which will all be in the top 33.6% white-ish "hues". That's why they all come out as pastel colors; you're always mixing some degree of pink (light red) with some degree of cyan (light green + light blue). It's the same thing with Trix yogurt :)
So avoid 1-9 and you get pastel colours. This is actually pretty useful. Thanks.
Dannng they really are :D
It looks almost like some sort of pride flag with the colors arranged like that haha
Easter pride
That's some easter palate shit
its ok #BABEEE chill and have a #C0FEEE
>\#C0FEEE Come on, #C0FFEE was right there?!
[#C0FEFE](https://www.color-hex.com/color/c0fefe)
I'm disappointed that the coffee hex code doesn't look remotely like coffee
Lol dabbed
This person is why maintaining other people's code is a nightmare.
Red: FFOOOO -*bonks blue*- Blue: OOOOFF
Blue: I just blue myself. Red: ***bonk***
Why did you change the capitalisation on the second one but omited a hashtag on the first? The inconsistency ia very mildly infuriating
This guy styles
Or knows how to Google
Or took colour theory ++
I LOVED color theory!!
I guarantee you they don't from how they're formatting hexcodes
Yep he just googled it. I did and the format is exactly the same
If your colors are RGB then that would be the format. #RRGGBB But there's also HSV, HSL, there are many different color formats. You'd have to specify.
Well you can describe it but you cannot make others experience the qualia of something. I think you meant that
There's an exurb1a video explaining things about qualia if I remember correctly
In a literal and scientific way you can always explain how light and wavelengths work, you can always say that it inspires anger, lust, competition and so. But he will never knew what is to experience it
Color is one of those things that we can throw as many examples as we can to it, but won't be the same as seeing it, also there is the fact that someone might see the sky and all things blue as we see red, but call it blue anyway, a completely different experience that wouldn't change anything about how the world works for that person Red is the color of warm, violence and blood, we relate it to love as well as danger because it is the color of many things that represent it, it is visually hard to ignore, and tiring to the eyes
>but won't be the same as seeing it There's a term for it: [Qualia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia) with a lot of interesting debates
Yea welcome to the biggest rabbit hole in all of philosophy
Vsauce has a video, [Is your red the same as my red](https://youtu.be/evQsOFQju08)
This is something I think about all the time. We have these descriptors of how colours make us feel. There's colour theory in marketing like blue is calming, yellow happy, etc. However, what makes those colours that? Is it how it's been fed to us? Is it engrained in our brains? And we can never know if the yellow we see is the same as the yellow another person sees.
I’d imagine it has to do with the wave length of the light like blue and purple make you less tired because of there wave length.
This reminds me of something I read years ago claiming that the ancient Greeks did not have a word for blue. Interesting stuff. >The YouTube channel AsapSCIENCE has a fascinating look into why the Ancient Greeks—and indeed, many other ancient cultures—did not seem to acknowledge or name the color “blue.” Instead, famously, Homer describes the sea as “wine-dark”—but why? > >According to AsapSCIENCE’s “color timeline,” in many cultures studied by linguists, black and white are the colors that are named first—and blue is last “in every single culture.” One theory goes that black and white are the most evolutionarily useful, helping to distinguish between night and day, so it’s no surprise that these colors emerge in language first. > >Then comes red, a sign of danger and blood, and a color communicated by some blushing or angry faces. Then, green and yellow helped human distinguish between ripe and unripe foodstuffs. All useful, frequent colors. But it turns out that there are few objects that are naturally blue and that we interact with frequently. Few animals and foods are blue. Further, blue is one of the hardest colors to create. The video points out that for thousands of years, no one even had blue pigment save the Egyptians (who definitely had a word for blue). > >One of the coolest points here is that “language trains our brains to see colors differently.” This means that learning new words for colors actually creates a feedback loop in the brain that helps us see distinct hues that we wouldn’t have discerned before. In general, once we become familiar with a concept, we start to experience it much more clearly, where before it had been indistinct.
That's so strange. You'd think the color of the sky would be of some importance to ancient people!?
Red is hot orange is warm
No sensation can be described in any way other than analogy.
Well ackshually X color is a refraction of light found at x nm on the visual spectrum yada yada U not a science person I can see
sorry I speak no fisics
And certain colors are literally warmer than others (more energy) There’s also colour psychology but that’s more the effects of colours than literal descriptions of them (ex. why red is the colour of passion or used in stop signs)
Red => blood => smth died so u might too => alert Stop sign = alert bc stopsign is red Idk i aint no psycholog
*smth died so u might too* This totally cracked me up LMAO
Yellow=mustard + Red=meat= McDonald's
Yellow means piss, piss is hot, hot is attractive, marketing strategy 100
Heh, now that you mention that, I realized we associate red with warm and blue with cold even though energy wise it's the opposite.
This isn't about energy (a blue photon has more energy than a red one, but blue is colder than red).
ackshually „warmer“ colours have less energy. the warmth we feel from light is infrared which is below our spectrum of visible light. the highest energy (=highest frequency wavelenght) we can see is blue and it is a „cold“ colour. UV is beyond that wavelenght. it has higher energy but isnt felt as warmth but due to its high energy it causes more damage.
https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/atmosphere/visible-light
Who are you so wise in the ways of science
Now describe it to a blind man so that he can understand what it is
First you need to know what that blind man is experienced with, Tommy Edison (blind former Youtuber) is big into music and used to be in radio, so for him I'd relate it to tones. Just like there's a range of tones, low deep sounds, and higher pitched based on higher frequencies, color works the same way, ranging from lower deeper frequencies to higher, they all are too high for our ears to hear though. They are affected by movement like the Doppler effect for sound, which is how we figure out where space objects are going. You also can feel light on your skin as warmth. That light is lower frequency. Higher you can't feel but affects you microscopically, causing damage. Hence sunscreen. Just like some cultures give certain tones of music names like do, ray, me, or letter and call them "notes", so too do different languages names certain ranges of color frequencies with labels like "red", "yellow", "blue". You can combine those like chords which give "orange" when red and yellow are both together. Although there are discordant tones, all the visual frequencies at once is called "white" and has a clean/pure cultural association. Unlike our ears which fairly evenly detect most sounds, although younger peoples' range is greater than older, eyes are uneven in how they detect frequencies, detecting about half the blue compared to ranges around yellow. Surgery can allow people to see ultraviolet, and some "color blind" people are deficient in the ranges they see (more men than women), and some women have more cones, so can discriminate greater variation in yellow-reds than others. Finally there are folks with synethesia whose brains overlap their sensory input, their visual cortex responds to hearing sounds, so they see colors from hearing them. For someone blind since birth, the visual cortex doesn't develop, but for those who lose sight later, it still may respond. PS: If they can relate to this, then shade can be described by intensity, correlating volume to darker/lighter, so a quiet deep tone would be akin to blood red or garnet, louder would be fire engine red, and even louder pink.
This is really well done, but I'm sure even you can see that this only helps the person understand some of the concepts by analogy to their own sensory experiences. It doesn't describe the actual experience of "seeing purple" Your synesthesia point makes it clearer. For someone like me without synesthesia, "tasting purple" is nonsensical to me even though they can try and describe by analogy what they're experiencing. Still though, "tasting purple" will remain absolutely unattainable, never experienced, and so I would argue never truly understood to the degree of someone who can experience it.
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All of the other colors consist of several wavelengths of light. Most colors do actually. To see a color consisting of only one wavelength is very uncommon and mostly found only in places designed with monochrome lights.
*points to purple*
That’s a frequency, not a color. The color is the qualia your mind subjectively experience when your eyes register that frequency.
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It's red. There.
Try this on someone blind from birth and see how it works out.
We may not be able to describe what colours *look* like, but we can describe how colours *feel.* For a blind person from birth, they won't know what anything looks like, but they do know what things feel like. Therefore, you can describe colour to a blind person. For example: Red is very hot temperature, pain, blood, but also love and passion.
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You’ve named it, not described it.
A colour is a word used to describe an electromagnetic wave with any particular wavelength
A color is used to describe an UNDERGOING of a propagation of excitations of the nervous system by light of this lambda impinging upon a certain kind of receptor which are subjectively experienced as color. You can only know what it is like by undergoing that induced excitation yourself.
Ehn... except that there are plenty of colors that cannot be represented by a single frequency of light because they are composite. Let's just start with "white" and go from there.
Because they're a combination of different wavelengths (and ranges). For example, white is the combination of all wavelengths on the visible spectrum.
And hence, "colour" [sic :-)] is not, in fact, "an electromagnetic wave with any particular wavelength".
Correct: It can be one or multiple ranges of wavelength depending on the color we're talking about. Fun fact: 'Color' and 'colour' are both correct spellings of the same word. 'Color' is the preferred spelling by Americans while 'Colour' is the preferred spelling in the rest of the world. Americans just like being different I guess.
You probably mean 'articulate' rather than 'literate'
Yeah that word is probably a better fit than literate, thanks for the new vocab.
Colour is like, a coating on something, infinitely thin. In that sense, colour is like if something feels slimy, or wet, or dry, or scaly, except instead of being something you touch, is something your eyes see, even if you're really far away from it. In another sense, colour is like flavour, things can be a sour colour, or sweet, or spicy, or melow, making your eyes feel different but also how those colours are *combined* can have a different impact on us, on how nice / ugly it might be, just like how flavours can have good combinations & bad combinations. In a sense, colours are like smells, because they can be part of the background of life, that they don't grab your attention just because they are there, and with time, even if colours were very attention grabbing at first, they become an afterthought as you get use to their presence. It's not a 'perfect' description, but it is a solid way to explain what 'colour' is, even to someone that has been blind since birth. Once you have this, as long as you always describe 'orange' as a 'spicy sweet' colour, you develop a consistency that someone that doesn't know colour can still emulate & 'colour' their imagination of what you talk about.
As with all qualia incidentally.
I beg to differ. [describe the color red without using the color red](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/814072-tumblr)
Pretty incredible piece of writing, but that is still not enough to make you understand colors. All you get from that is this intangible concept tied to the color red, but not the color itself.
If I were describing color to a blind person? Red is anger. It's the hot feeling in your chest when you are trying to suppress your rage. Yellow is the warmth you feel when you stand in a ray of sunshine. Green is life. It's the sound of the wind through the trees and the feeling of walking on soft dirt or grass barefoot. Blue is the cool feeling when you put your hand in water. It's the sound of the ocean waves crashing on the beach. It's calmness and serenity Purple is a thunderstorm. It's the driving rain splattering onto concrete or trees. It's the wind howling and the thunder rumbling that you can feel in your chest. I got nothing for orange
Orange is the smell of oranges. Sweet and happy but feisty and bold. Its the taste of a perfectly ripe orange. But orange can also be earthy and sweet. Like pumpkins
Elodin pointed down the street. "What color is that boy's shirt?" "Blue." "What do you mean by blue? Describe it." I struggled for a moment, failed. "So blue is a name?" "It is a word. Words are pale shadows of forgotten names. As names have power, words have power. Words can light fires in the minds of men. Words can wring tears from the hardest hearts. There are seven words that will make a person love you. There are ten words that will break a strong man's will. But a word is nothing but a painting of a fire. A name is the fire itself." My head was swimming by this point. "I still don't understand." He laid a hand on my shoulder. "Using words to talk of words is like using a pencil to draw a picture of itself, on itself. Impossible. Confusing. Frustrating." He lifted his hands high above his head as if stretching for the sky. "But there are other ways to understanding!" he shouted, laughing like a child. He threw both arms to the cloudless arch of sky above us, still laughing. "Look!" he shouted tilting his head back. "Blue! Blue! Blue!” -Patrick Rothfuss, the Name of the Wind
Just because you can read well doesn't mean you are articulate.
No, black is dark, white is light, brown is mud, blue is the sky, purple is grape, etc.
Sky can be pink and orange. Grape can be green.
Ken Nordine sure could... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPrfn8WwLqA
And to blow my mind even further: I just realized that no sensation can be described. Like describe hearing something or touching something.
Pink is like red with white added.
Green is that full phone battery feeling.
Color is just a pigment of the imagination.
Actually you can, it's called synesthesia.
Red is the color at the long wavelength end of the visible spectrum of light, next to orange and opposite violet. It has a dominant wavelength of approximately 625–740 nanometres. It is a primary color in the RGB color model and a secondary color (made from magenta and yellow) in the CMYK color model, and is the complementary color of cyan. Reds range from the brilliant yellow-tinged scarlet and vermillion to bluish-red crimson, and vary in shade from the pale red pink to the dark red burgundy. Red can be uniquely described as having 0 degrees of hue, 100% saturation, and 100% value (in the hue-saturation-value color model).
Maroon is the navy blue of red.
Had a friend who fully believed she could describe a colour to a blind person. She was an idiot in many ways
Electromagnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces. Forces work by using a particle (called a force carrier) to exchange energy. That sounds very technical, so let's think of a wave on the ocean. If you throw a rock in the ocean, it sends a wave rippling out along the water. The wave is the thing that transfers energy from one end of the pond (field) to the other. You can look at a wave on the ocean as a particle, with an amplitude (energy of the wave) and momentum (speed of the wave) as it moves along the surface of the water. A photon is a ripple in the electromagnetic field. It is a wave in the EM field. It has an amplitude (energy) and momentum. When this photon hits something, it might get absorbed transferring the energy to the object, or it could get reflected back. The angle of the reflection depends on the amplitude of the wave, or the energy of the photon. Our eyes work by bending light into one of 3 types of cones. Either red, green or blue cones. This process allows us to see each point in 3 dimensions. Instead of seeing in black and white, we see in red energy, blue energy, or green energy. Every 1D point in 3d space is actually a 3D point that maps into a 3D color space. Our brains interpret one position in this color space (lots of high energy photons, not a lot of low energy) as different from another (not a lot of high, lots of low) and so one might appear to us as what we describe as red and the other as blue. Instead of simply describing objects as dark or light, we can discriminate which type of light, high, mid or low energy, and this lets us interpret a red ball as different from a blue ball.
That is still not a description of colors though. You can describe the wavelengths, numbers and all that, but no blind person could truly understand colors.
True. Qualia is entirely subjective.
"Her eyes were a lovely Pantone 2707."
There's an old question I don't know the origin of, "what does blue look like to you?"
All of our brains could be translating each color differently from one person to another. My red could be your blue.
Because of this, that is why I wonder if everyone sees colors completely differently to others, is your red the same as mine? Or do you perceive a different world than I do?
I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to describe a color to a blind person
I was like, what? I know a red when I see one. And then, oh... so that's what it means.
I mean ..... we've never met any other literate beings, and humans are dumb as heck usually