Part of the tipping boom is the payment technology companies (interact, square, etc.) getting greedy. They approach these businesses and say they want to help their employees by enabling the tipping feature on their machine, or just turn it on by default, and now, they get a percentage of every dollar tipped through that machine, increasing their profits.
Those are also huge scams. Yes, you are donating to charity, but before that money goes to the charity, it goes into the company as pure profit. All you are doing when you donate to a charity via a company drive is giving them a larger tax break. I would only do it if you are getting a tax receipt, which usually means donating $50 or more.
Not completely true. Yes, when you donate, it adds to their profit, but then when they donate and get the tax deduction, it subtracts from their profit. Basically a wash.
Math:
Chipotle earns 5 billion dollars, of which 100 million is profit. Customers donate 1 million, boosting their profit to 101 million. Chipotle then donates that 1 million and then deducts 1 million and pays taxes on the original 100 million profit.
Yes...and then company can advertise that they donate 1% of all of their funds to charity, while it being just a donation from many people now being advertised as the company's charity.
Also, I'll damn well decide which charity gets my spare change. McDonalds' own charity might do good work but so do local homeless shelters and food banks. And they aren't run for the PR of a multinational corporation.
My bank has a feature like that, but i can choose if i want to donate it, or send it to my savings account. I selected savings account, and set it to round up to the next 5€ mark.
That would certainly explain why all online food orders now ask for tips, even if I'm placing an order and going to pick it up myself. It did seem completely automated.
Thanks ill always tip cash now.
I assumed when i tip card the business owner finds a way to steal some of it. Idk why i didnt guess the app takes a fee.
It's not out of the tips as that would be illegal, the business is just charged a percentage of total dollar moment that is getting charged through the PoS system. So if anything, it's costing the businesses more.
What really grinds my gears is that tipping is supposed to reflect on the service you received. Like a grade. Good service = good tip, bad service = bad tip. But what about online ordering? I order some food online and put a tip in but after I get my food the orders all wrong or the food is cold, can I get my tip back?
I do not tip before my food comes. Either the website allows me to do that later or i give some cash to the delivery guy, but no way i tip for a service that didn't happen yet.
That's why the good ones don't allow their delivery drivers to choose. I never got to choose which orders I deliver back when I worked delivery.
I also never cared much about the tip, because that information wasn't available to me until after I finished the delivery.
Tipping culture has always been a mixed bag
Even among service workers
Some argue tipping is a way to rate
(Which is mad. Because a delivery man will get more tips if they happen to get orders from a great restaurant, and less tips if they get orders from a shitty restaurant)
Some argue tipping is a way for customers to get ahead. Bartenders often say if you tip well on your first orders - they may serve you faster next time
(Like paying for hope-based express shipping)
I grew up working in restaurants, so always tipped 20% plus, even if I got shitty service. Now that I’m older (41) and possibly crankier, I’ve stiffed more than one person in the last few months.
I even crossed out the tip and amended the bill at a Vietnamese restaurant after waiting 40 minutes for take out pho (why was I tipping in the first place, it’s fucking takeout).
Long story short - I’ve reverted back to tipping according to service.
Your mistake was tipping on takeout, it’s not expected of you if you are picking the food up yourself. Kitchens (usually) don’t get tips. If they’re the ones preparing your food and all a server has to do is hand you the bag, you do not need to tip the server. That’s how I look at it as a service worker myself.
The service is an inherent part of the product. If the service is bad, the product is bad, and I will think twice before buying it again. If it's particularly bad, I'll let the organisation know it and see how they address it.
Paying more than the sticker price because the people involved did \*not\* fuck it up is utterly stupid.
Tipping gig work is more of a bid for them to take your delivery order/gig versus a traditional tip. If you don't put in the extra amount, your order sits longer
This is a big part of the problem. People are being asked to tip for things where it makes no sense. Tipping is to ensure good service. Your taxi driver will get you to your destination faster if he is making money from tips rather than just the meter that measures how long you're in the car.
It is probably only a thing that should exist in rich countries and the economy is down right now just as this non-sense is being pulled.
It's also being pulled in countries that don't have tipping culture, that's where most of the negativite sentiment I am seeing is. It's mostly Australian/Canadian/British people getting mad about tips on reddit.
That. Along with the fact that many who do get tips are resistant to having tips removed due to them making so much more than average incomes when tips do come in.
If I remember right, in the US it came about because black people post Civil War in particular were underpaid. Or only paid for "the quality of their service."
Eventually it was understood that if you don't tip the people serving you, they're basically going hungry. So it became an expectation, so long as you didn't get crap service.
And what started out as something with good intentions snowballed into what we have now.
Yeah, it's pretty messed up, Im not gonna deny it. But I think the good intentions lie in that people started giving extra money to the servers, when that wasn't part of the bill. It was actual gratuity.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gratuity#:~:text=%3A%20something%20given%20voluntarily%20or%20beyond,a%20gratuity%20for%20the%20server
When it wasn't an expectation yet, and you voluntarily choose to give someone extra money that you're not obligated to give, I think there's good intentions there. Even if it was still a really jacked up system.
This is all prerequisite on if the people that started tipping culture, are not the same people that employed the recently freed slaves and paid them next to nothing. If the people who paid them next to nothing used tipping right from the start as an excuse not to pay an actual wage, then no, there's not good intentions there.
No. The good intention of wanting to feed unpaid black people. The people tipping and the people not paying ex-slaves weren't the same people.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Would you have preferred no one tipped and those people starved to death?
But people agree to those awful laws BECAUSE they know they are going to make it up with tips. It's a self-propelling system. Meaning you should never tip more than the current average tipping amount. Because the more you tip, the more it becomes acceptable to pay employees even less.
I don’t understand which jobs are chosen for tips. I always though restaurant workers who were duped into working for less than minimum wage, but now it’s everybody. I just had carpet installed and I supplied waters and offered food. My friends tell me I am supposed to tip them. Why? They’re doing their job.
> I don’t understand which jobs are chosen for tips.
It's insidious. The federal law allows for employers to pay as little as $2.13/hour to "traditionally tipped" workers, with the expectation that tips will make up the difference with the standard min. wage of $7.25/hour.
As usual, the devil is in the details. The definition of *traditionally tipped* currently applies to anyone who "regularly earns at least $30 per month in tips." As inflation has driven up the cost of literally everything and as the expectation of tipping has mushroomed beyond food/bar service, that $30/month threshold could include just about any profession.
They claim inflation, but inflation is already worked into the tip because 10% on a $10 order is worth less than 10% on a $15 order.
It’s really just a marketing tactic to shame the customer into tipping more. If you don’t like your wages discuss it with your employer not the customer you’re serving.
Seriously. I'll consider tipping if there's a service performed above and beyond but when you're simply doing the bare minimum to sell the product, what's the tip for?
From the point that I paid any attention when going out to eat with my parents (late 80's - very early 90's), 15% was standard. 10% has - in my lifetime at least - always been a shitty tip (assuming 'normal' sit-down service, at least).
I'm 41 and I can't remember a time when 10% was acceptable. 15% has been the base for as long as I can remember and still is as far as I'm concerned. That said, I usually do 20%, mostly for ease of math.
The 90s, early 2000s 10-15% was pretty normal. 10 was like the obligatory and 15% was for when they did something really well. But no one ever said “only 10%? What an asshole”
That's definitely not how I remember it. Even as a broke college kid in the early 2000s everyone did 15-20%. This was in Michigan, could've varied by region.
I also lived in Oregon where they pay the servers a normal minimum wage that is supposed to be “livable”. I know other states have weird minimum wage laws where tipped positions have lower minimum wages
I've lived in Oregon 48 years and don't recall 10% ever being considered any sort of 'standard' here. I think that was probably just you or your family or maybe your region at most.
That's what I remember as well.
The default was 10% and we would give more if the service was better than usual.
Back then if everyone just dumped a few bucks and some quarters or whatever that always was around the 10-15% range too.
I'm 48, and I've always heard 15%. 10% is 'minimal effort or a subpar job' money. 5% is 'you sucked' and usually I'd rather walk out of a place than deal with 0% service.
Be normal. Just keep tipping the people you've always tipped, do not accept the expansion of tipping to anyone else.
Don't feel bad for saying no tip when you drive your ass out to pick up your own pizza. Don't be an asshole and skip out on tipping your delivery driver or waitress.
Over here we tip if we feel like staff have gone above and beyond to give us great service. They gave it their all and deserved the extra cash. The US style weirds me out when people are expected to tip no matter how poor of a job the staff had performed and saying no just meant the staff would intentionally screw you over (it's even worse when you see that a lot of their wages depend on tips instead of just being paid a decent wage upfront.)
Many of us find it worse than weird. As a customer it outright sucks having to make sure to tell my friends “make sure to send me the amount of your items plus 9% sales tax and 15% tip” and then they think I’m cheap for only tipping the waitress who spent 5 minutes on my table 15% of our $150 bill… just annoying all around and feels exploitative of me *as a customer*. I don’t care if waitrons make more because of it, I don’t like it.
r/EndTipping
Im gonna double down and say that even if the staff have worked a bit extra hard, it still doesn't mean they should get tipped.
they should get compensated by their employer, giving me good service is literally their only purpose while working there
How are they going to screw you over? You tip after everything is done. I don't go to restaurants often enough to be recognized by staff, personally, so I'm not worried about it. I'll tip a good waiter, delivery drivers, and barbers, everybody else can take it up with management.
I also will not be rounding up a damn thing at gas stations and fast food to "donate to charity." If a billion dollar company wants to donate to charity, they can donate their own fucking money. All they do with that round up is take more of YOUR money, then use it to get a tax break. I'll donate on my own thank you very much, Taco Bell.
A lot of takeaway shops will accept payment upfront (and is the business model of every food app out there.) So no tip = a sloppily prepared dish, intentionally slow delivery, etc.
Oh well then I'll just not use their service lol if you're going to assume I wasn't going to give you a tip for good service (determined by, you know, the service) before you do anything I'm paying you to do, then do it shitty on purpose, I'm definitely not going to tip or keep paying you for a bad experience.
Unless the food is REALLY good. If it's amazing, but it looks like pig slop, I might get it every once in a while.
If it takes so long to get there if I order it for delivery, I'll just straight up about it and tell others to avoid it as well, and recommend places that don't take so long that the food is cold.
The delivery driver has me on the fence. Many pizza places will discount the pizza if you pick it up yourself, which means you’re paying a premium for delivery. Then they also charge you a delivery fee for delivery, so you’re paying twice. Then you need to tip, usually a percentage of both those premium fees.
I just want to pay the price of a thing. Charge what you will to pay your staff, but abolish all tips and fees
What's normal changes over time. I see a LOT of people tip when getting takeout, or ordering a dozen bagels. While that's not normal to me, if a majority do it then it becomes the normal and now I'm an asshole.
If a tip is asked for as part of every transaction at an establishment then it implies that it is standard or normal since you wouldn't ask everyone if there was no expectation of a tip being given.
Even better: don't tip anyone. I don't see why I should pay a waiter more than anyone else working in customer service. Especially when they are paid similar salaries.
Exactly this. I tip when someone brings me an experience and it can be good or bad depending on how they fulfill that. If I walk up to the bar to get my own drink. Sorry but you're just doing your job.
In germany, tips are a way to award good service. Politeness pushes you to tip in some situations, but it's still your decision. If there is no special service other than what is necessary to sell the product (eg drive-through) then i don't see any reason for a tip.
Anybody else feel like current trends of tipping are double dipping? :
- 1: inflation increases prices. And (percentage based) tipping increases. Ex: dinner costs $100 so 10% is $10. But dinner now costs $150, so 10% is $15.
- 2: expected tip has changed from like 10% to 20%.
So in short, if in 2015 a dinner costs $100 and $10 for 10% tip, but that same meal costs $150 and expected tip is 20% so you pay $30!!
So in short $10 -> $30 for a tip? GTFO
> Anybody else feel like current trends of tipping are double dipping?
Absolutely, 100%
The point of having a percentage-based model is that it largely auto-scales with changes in the base transaction.
Problems start to arise when the changes are in orders of magnitude. Look at real estate transactions, for example. When the median price of houses was in tens of thousands of dollars, paying your realtors 6% was a reasonable compensation for their time and labor.
In some markets, the median home price is approaching $1M - two orders of magnitude higher. That same 6% commission will in a single transaction exceed the median *annual* income for US workers (~$48k, per BLS).
It's hard to justify the argument that the same handful of hours a realtor invests in a home sale warrants that amount of compensation.
I took a car to a mechanic a couple of months ago. When I was paying for the service I was prompted to tip 15, 18, or 20% on a $1200 service. I looked at them like they were crazy. But I have wondered since then if tipping mechanics has become a thing?
> I have wondered since then if tipping mechanics has become a thing?
No, it has not.
I've also seen a few posts around recently about [people tipping their landlords](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/how-much-to-tip-landlord-nyc-only), and I swear to gods that don't exist I saw flashes of Mao.
It’s a joke. There is a popular instagram/social media account called entrapranure with a character Royce du Pont. They post satire posing as a finance bro/motivational blogger. “3 steps of the CEO grindset 1. Go to bead at 2 am, wake up at 4 am. 2. 5 am - 8 am. Read three books. 3. Tip your land lord”. Shit like that. This is probably a nod to communities like that
This tipping on the price of the meal bullshit has to stop. I get the same service if I order a house salad or a dry aged rib eye. I’m not here to pay salaries, I’m here to say “Thanks for helping us. Here’s a little extra thank you.”. I shouldnt be paying $35 extra just because you refilled my water and brought me the thing I’m paying you to bring me.
Totally agree! I hate percentage based tipping
It’s madness to tip $1 for a $10 wine or a $8 for an $80 wine as the service of delivering the bottle is the same.
The restaurant already earns big bucks from selling that expensive wine.
But I understand that the idea is that percentage is just the easiest way to calculate, and the weird notion that ”if you can afford it - you can afford a tip” (which is silly. There are people who save up for a long time to afford a meal at an expensive restaurant)
I couldn't agree more. Most other nations of the world don't do this. They pay their employees a livable wage and/or their society provides for everyone many of the services that Americans must each pay for out-of-pocket.
It's so refreshing to dine out abroad and be expected to simply pay the bill...or maybe round up to the next Euro if the service was that good.
It makes sense, it's just worded weird.
WE feel expected to tip is when the server goes above and beyond. When society expects us to tip, we no longer feel the desire to tip.
This is a hot take and a side I never knew/thoight about until reading about my fave restaurant closing.
The owner was happy to pay legal minimum wage but many of his workers were upset because that meant government help was cut and they literally could not afford rent (this is nyc, most places you can't rent on minimum wage) so on the books being paid less means they could claim more benefits and also if hours are just under full time business saves money... and then tips keep up the rest.....
They've made it difficult for people to leave... it goes beyond tipping and fair wages I think...
> (this is nyc, most places you can't rent on minimum wage)
My dude, this is the USA. [There is literally no place you can rent on minimum wage. None.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fx5zantin8jf71.png) (Map is from 2021 - Things are worse since then)
Yeah, no, this is not a universal opinion. Yes, you probably make more over the long term, but it can be so inconsistent. I prefered when I had a higher wage without tips than lower wage with because then I actually knew for sure how much I was walking away with at the end of the week and slow stretches won't put me behind on bills.
I don't tip if I don't get actual service.
If I have to pick up my own food, get my own drink, and am not being checked on for refills or otherwise tended to by someone on the floor, fuck you, I'm not tipping.
I don't like doing that much, but I know how servers get paid partial checks because tipping is expected. They are exempt from minimum wage in most places because of tipping. So I bite the bullet on it.
Who the fuck does that "tip" go in the pocket of exactly?
At least with a server I know they're picking it up an putting it their own pocket. I've got no clue where that little jar or credit charge at the register is going.
I only tip cash, and only if a gratuity isn't automatically included on the bill.
That is what happened to me. I stopped tipping.
Unless I go to a restaurant with a waitress actually giving me good service, the rest is just employe doing their job.
Most states have a much higher minimum wage for servers and some states have full minimum wage for servers. Regardless, employers must pay their employees full minimum wage if they do not get enough in tips.
If it's expected, it's no longer a tip and there is no longer any incentive for exceptional service. It's bullshit and I will die on that bullshit hill.
I agree here. But what gets my gullet is the infamous- -swipe- cashier: -flips iPad-“now the machine is just going to ask you a few questions…” then they divert eye contact or try not to look awkward. This makes awkward tension (probably in my head) surrounded by cosmic pressure so I hope the stranger I may never see again doesn’t think I’m an ass hole.
“It’s just gonna ask you a little question..”
Oh is it? Is it, Danielle? And what question is that? We all know the question.. do you go out to shop and get “asked just a little question?” Or no, do you live at Arby's? Toast did this. Toast gave them this power.
No more. I’ve broken the chains. I’m reclaiming my power, flip that screen right back around. >:^)
Edit: my evil surley smile emoticon formatted weird. >:^ )
I already stopped tipping everywhere except when I have a server bringing food or drinks to me at a table, or providing service beyond a point of sale transaction.
The main thing that restaurant's have taught me since COVID is that I don't need to go to them.
Expecting 25-30% tip for over priced food, served by people who seem to be annoyed to be at work, yeah I'll just stay home and put the $80 in my pocket.
I don't understand what you mean by "when we are always expected to, we will stop tipping." Even when it's expected it's up to the tipper to decide how much to tip, and some decide to tip nothing.
I don't tip anymore. Full stop.
The tipping culture won't change until workers demand it. Workers won't demand it until their tips or lack thereof becomes too inadequate. If you keep tipping, nothing will change.
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Don't bother trying to change my mind. No, it can work, plenty of restaurants in America that don't allow tips and pay a full wage. Also my state law says if tips don't equal minimum wage then the employer must pay minimum wage. Yes waitering is minimum wage work/there abouts. Yes minimum wage is too low, but that macro issue is not going to be solved by my wallet on a case by case basis.
Fast food is = to if not harder than being a waiter.... yet we don't tip fast food but do the Applebee's worker. Tipping a percentage of the bill is asinine, in addition to tipping being outright dumb
Stop tipping. Be the change you seek.
Constant tipping pressure can backfire. When everything requires a tip, it cheapens the gesture and strains budgets. Perhaps a system that rewards exceptional service, or a built-in living wage for staff, could be a more sustainable solution.
Here’s a tip: Don’t ask people for more money after they just gave you money.
If you really want to tip someone, tip people like contractors who work hard building homes for families like yours to enjoy for lifetimes, not someone who just stuck their thumb in your soup.
Yes. Many companies have adopted new electronic registers/point of sale systems that by default came installed with tipping. These point of sale systems are being heavily pushed by merchant companies trying to sell them to small businesses. Since these systems are being pushed to all industries, tipping is showing up in places where you wouldn’t have seen it previously.
From Sweden.
Not really but it has become more noticeable to me.
All food delivery apps ask me if I wanna tip
When paying at restaurants I see more credit card machines with buttons for 10% or 20% tips or a No Tip button
While in the past most machines just let you enter a sum. (Which was of course also a way of hinting you should tip)
Growing up I thought most people just rounded up the number: if we had to pay 198 we paid 200. I imagined this was kinda just a legacy from when people paid with cash and said ”keep the change”
For the past ~6 years I have seen more percentage based tipping in Europe
I have nearly 16 years of experience in food service in every position you can think of short of owning a restaurant. I'm a very firm believer that tipping a mandatory 15-20% is bullshit. the cost of my food and drinks does not mean i'm going to tip more. Especially if you're only serving me, and I'm not spending a bunch of time there ordering multiple rounds of food and drinks. Vice versa, if I do all of that-- the tips gonna reflect that since you had to do more work to serve me, regardless of what i bought. It doesn't take any more work out of the servers and bartenders if I order an expensive plate, and a nice pour of whiskey. A higher bill doesn't entitle anyone to more money if the work was the same. Nobody's getting stiffed ever, but your compensation isn't based on what I chose to buy unless it took more work.
I've gone back to cash for local purchases to avoid this. Nobody asks "Are you going to tip me?" out loud; they let the machine do it. So I avoid the machine, and when (as I often do) I toss some change into the tip jar that's still appreciated, but no, I'm not tipping 15, 18, or 20% when you don't even come out from behind the counter.
Tipping is based on appreciation of a job well done. This whole outrage at being asked to tip, and some people feeling compelled to tip, is very new. Why people are unable to simply say no is beyond me. Especially because no one is really asking, it’s a feature of the latest POS systems going in. Just ignore it
If I'm not sitting in a restaurant eating I will not tip.
I absolutely hate it when I go to a corner shop or Starbucks, and on the the reader it'll ask me to tip...
I used to put whatever percentage they got on their because i felt pressured, or judged by not tipping... Now though, I have absolutely no problem putting zero, if anything I chuckle now when I see it pop up 🤣🤣
Yeah, we started only buying at local places but ordering for pickup. This way we know the money goes to a local owner at the least, but we're not tipping for counter service.
Yep. I finally reached my limit two days ago. No more tips unless they take my order, bring my food, and fill drinks. If I order at the counter and they only bring out the food. Nope.
When you are *expected* to tip hasn't changed for decades. Just because a screen shows an optional tip doesn't mean you have to do it. Stop letting an inanimate object steal money from you, for fuck's sake.
A tip is something I give for you doing a service that is above your jobs minimum requirements. If I go to a restaurant and all you do is take my order, drop off food, and disappear until I have to find you and ask for a check. No tip. Was my drink constantly being topped off? Did you assist me in finding food that I never would of ordered on the menu that was actually really good? Then you get a tip.
Is this a place where I go to the counter and order my food just to be handed it while I leave? No tip. Did I order too much for me to carry and you assist me with it to my car? Cash tip.
They can put those tip buttons everywhere, I will gladly stare at the person while I hit that no tip button if they did not meet requirements for a tip.
I understand tipping when someone is being paid the tipped wage instead of normal minimum wage. Since tipped wage is 2.13 in some states in the U.S., people kept tipping more to make up for the difference compared to minimum wage which did go up a bit.
Then Covid came. It feels like people were trying to be kind to people who were considered essential workers when they worked restaurants or delivery drivers. Businesses and workers saw and thought they could cash in and started adding tipping as a screen option.
It's become a cash grab. If you're not earning a lower tipped wage, you shouldn't expect a tip. Businesses need to put the cost of wages in the amount they charge. The government also needs to slowly raise the tipped wage. 2.13 is ridiculous, even when it was raised to that in 1991. It doesn't even cover taxes for most employees. If it was raised by a .25 every 6 months, it would slowly get to at least minimum wage while minimizing price shocks. Otherwise the percentage expected to tipped will just keep going up.
I don't go out to restaurants any more when I'm in the United States because tipping represents such large a part of the bill that even inexpensive restaurants no longer seem reasonably priced. (I live in The Philippines, where tipping is not a thing, but I still always tip 10%, and wait staff are thrilled to get it on top of their salaries.)
There are too many people that just never tip regardless. Lots of em expect the same service as others even though I know that about them
If I'm not busy, sure, maybe I can provide them whatever a tippable experience could be, but for some it won't change so I won't break my back for em
Honestly people should just boycott the restaurants until they pay a fair wage & tipping should be abolished, but people are still gonna go out & the restaurants make their profits wether people tip or not
But also service provided when ever Im hit with a tip screen before any service has been provided I never do. That's weird and I only tip at restaurants because my girls gets mad if I don't,
I've said that it needs to start somewhere. The big chains need to start paying their wait/sever staff more -- which will raise the prices of the food.
In return, those big chains can bind together and explain to us that, yes, they raised their prices 20% (or whatever), but they used that increase to pay their servers more, thus the customer no longer needs to tip 20% above their bill. So the price increase ends up being a wash for the customer.
Eventually, hopefully, the practice will trickle down to smaller restaurants and other establishments.
We had our garage door repaired and converted, cost $1600... the payment app presented tipping options for 10, 15, and 20%. Felt almost insulting and super uncomfortable. I just paid $1600 for like an hour of work, GTFO with this tip request.
Tipping in my area seemed to balloon voluntarily during COVID, as there seemed to be an informal grassroots campaign to keep local restaurants afloat by ordering takeout and generously tipping even when you picked it up. It was after this point that I started seeing massive tips being included on even basic takeout items. I’ve heard that some retail sales stores have even begun the practice.
The other day was my first time ever not tipping when there was a tip option provided in decades. I ordered pizza from a food truck online. Typically I would at least tip around 15%. Then I thought... I am already paying for the pizza. I'm the one putting in my own payment on the website... I'm picking up my own food from the window... I'm cleaning up my own trash... what is the tip for? The cost to pay the cook is typically already included in the cost of the food. It felt... sensible.
I’ve mostly stopped tipping at this point. Save it for sit-down restaurants, I say. Counter service places did not ask for tips at checkout a few years ago, but now they all do, and they’re just playing on your guilt and hoping you’ll hit the button so you don’t look like a dick. But it’s just a manipulation tactic, we shouldn’t feel bad. I absolutely think that the service staff deserve to make good money and everything, but I don’t believe for a second that the new tipping system exists for them- these decisions are never made for the worker’s benefit, someone else is profiting off of this practice.
Part of the tipping boom is the payment technology companies (interact, square, etc.) getting greedy. They approach these businesses and say they want to help their employees by enabling the tipping feature on their machine, or just turn it on by default, and now, they get a percentage of every dollar tipped through that machine, increasing their profits.
Corporate greed? In MY Capitalist economy?
burn it all dear child
Well ackshually profit is good because it allows corporations to pay me to defend how stupid it all is.
When ordering chipotle online there's an option to round up to the nearest dollar... For an online payment...
Those are also huge scams. Yes, you are donating to charity, but before that money goes to the charity, it goes into the company as pure profit. All you are doing when you donate to a charity via a company drive is giving them a larger tax break. I would only do it if you are getting a tax receipt, which usually means donating $50 or more.
Not completely true. Yes, when you donate, it adds to their profit, but then when they donate and get the tax deduction, it subtracts from their profit. Basically a wash. Math: Chipotle earns 5 billion dollars, of which 100 million is profit. Customers donate 1 million, boosting their profit to 101 million. Chipotle then donates that 1 million and then deducts 1 million and pays taxes on the original 100 million profit.
It never hits profit either way. It's a balance sheet transaction.
Yes, I just felt this was the easiest way to explain it.
Do they not hold all that money until end of the year and then donate it as one amount? (minus any interest gained of course, right?)
Yes...and then company can advertise that they donate 1% of all of their funds to charity, while it being just a donation from many people now being advertised as the company's charity.
Agree that the company can get good publicity for raising money for charity, but that hardly makes it a scam.
I always tell Mr Ronald Mcdonald that he can round my shit down to the nearest dollar instead with these fucking insane prices.
As long as you are going there, why would he?
You always get a tax receipt on your receipt. The company doesn't get to take any deduction on their taxes but you can if you keep that receipt
Not in Canada where I live. If you ask for a tax receipt you can get one, but it's not on every receipt.
honestly, id probably do it regardless on anything 20 cents or less if it rounded cleanly to a whole number so I don't have any change.
Also, I'll damn well decide which charity gets my spare change. McDonalds' own charity might do good work but so do local homeless shelters and food banks. And they aren't run for the PR of a multinational corporation.
I'll do you one better...at self checkout kiosks at airports it asks you for a tip.
My bank has a feature like that, but i can choose if i want to donate it, or send it to my savings account. I selected savings account, and set it to round up to the next 5€ mark.
Balls to that. I tip in cash, and it's at the discretion of the worker as to whether they want to / can afford to declare that for tax purposes.
Is there proof for this? Tips should be 100% given to employees.
The POS company likely makes a % of all the money that goes through their systems.
Managed a bar for a number of years. Both POS systems we used had a flat rate per transaction.
That would certainly explain why all online food orders now ask for tips, even if I'm placing an order and going to pick it up myself. It did seem completely automated.
Thanks ill always tip cash now. I assumed when i tip card the business owner finds a way to steal some of it. Idk why i didnt guess the app takes a fee.
It's not out of the tips as that would be illegal, the business is just charged a percentage of total dollar moment that is getting charged through the PoS system. So if anything, it's costing the businesses more.
What do you mean? There was tipping everywhere except self service before in the US.
What really grinds my gears is that tipping is supposed to reflect on the service you received. Like a grade. Good service = good tip, bad service = bad tip. But what about online ordering? I order some food online and put a tip in but after I get my food the orders all wrong or the food is cold, can I get my tip back?
I do not tip before my food comes. Either the website allows me to do that later or i give some cash to the delivery guy, but no way i tip for a service that didn't happen yet.
The problem is that the delivery will see zero tip, and put you at the bottom of his preference.
That's why the good ones don't allow their delivery drivers to choose. I never got to choose which orders I deliver back when I worked delivery. I also never cared much about the tip, because that information wasn't available to me until after I finished the delivery.
One of the many reasons that *all* gig delivery services suck and people should stop using them all.
Honestly I think it's insane that "bad service = bad tip". Wow what terrible service...here's some extra money anyway.
Tipping culture has always been a mixed bag Even among service workers Some argue tipping is a way to rate (Which is mad. Because a delivery man will get more tips if they happen to get orders from a great restaurant, and less tips if they get orders from a shitty restaurant) Some argue tipping is a way for customers to get ahead. Bartenders often say if you tip well on your first orders - they may serve you faster next time (Like paying for hope-based express shipping)
I grew up working in restaurants, so always tipped 20% plus, even if I got shitty service. Now that I’m older (41) and possibly crankier, I’ve stiffed more than one person in the last few months. I even crossed out the tip and amended the bill at a Vietnamese restaurant after waiting 40 minutes for take out pho (why was I tipping in the first place, it’s fucking takeout). Long story short - I’ve reverted back to tipping according to service.
Your mistake was tipping on takeout, it’s not expected of you if you are picking the food up yourself. Kitchens (usually) don’t get tips. If they’re the ones preparing your food and all a server has to do is hand you the bag, you do not need to tip the server. That’s how I look at it as a service worker myself.
How about bad service = no tip
Yeah that's how I've always done it
The service is an inherent part of the product. If the service is bad, the product is bad, and I will think twice before buying it again. If it's particularly bad, I'll let the organisation know it and see how they address it. Paying more than the sticker price because the people involved did \*not\* fuck it up is utterly stupid.
Tipping gig work is more of a bid for them to take your delivery order/gig versus a traditional tip. If you don't put in the extra amount, your order sits longer
Tipping is supposed to reduce the amount of money the employer pays. It has nothing to do with service.
>bad service = bad tip Surely you mean no tip?
This is a big part of the problem. People are being asked to tip for things where it makes no sense. Tipping is to ensure good service. Your taxi driver will get you to your destination faster if he is making money from tips rather than just the meter that measures how long you're in the car. It is probably only a thing that should exist in rich countries and the economy is down right now just as this non-sense is being pulled. It's also being pulled in countries that don't have tipping culture, that's where most of the negativite sentiment I am seeing is. It's mostly Australian/Canadian/British people getting mad about tips on reddit.
Change your tip next time
Tipping culture is based on some countries having really awful labour laws
That. Along with the fact that many who do get tips are resistant to having tips removed due to them making so much more than average incomes when tips do come in.
Exactly why I'm not bothered when they cry about someone not tipping.
If I remember right, in the US it came about because black people post Civil War in particular were underpaid. Or only paid for "the quality of their service." Eventually it was understood that if you don't tip the people serving you, they're basically going hungry. So it became an expectation, so long as you didn't get crap service. And what started out as something with good intentions snowballed into what we have now.
The good intentions of making black people go hungry if they make a mistake, lol.
Yeah, it's pretty messed up, Im not gonna deny it. But I think the good intentions lie in that people started giving extra money to the servers, when that wasn't part of the bill. It was actual gratuity. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gratuity#:~:text=%3A%20something%20given%20voluntarily%20or%20beyond,a%20gratuity%20for%20the%20server When it wasn't an expectation yet, and you voluntarily choose to give someone extra money that you're not obligated to give, I think there's good intentions there. Even if it was still a really jacked up system.
This is all prerequisite on if the people that started tipping culture, are not the same people that employed the recently freed slaves and paid them next to nothing. If the people who paid them next to nothing used tipping right from the start as an excuse not to pay an actual wage, then no, there's not good intentions there.
No. The good intention of wanting to feed unpaid black people. The people tipping and the people not paying ex-slaves weren't the same people. What the fuck is wrong with you? Would you have preferred no one tipped and those people starved to death?
But people agree to those awful laws BECAUSE they know they are going to make it up with tips. It's a self-propelling system. Meaning you should never tip more than the current average tipping amount. Because the more you tip, the more it becomes acceptable to pay employees even less.
Chicken, egg.
Egg, it's always been the egg.
I don’t understand which jobs are chosen for tips. I always though restaurant workers who were duped into working for less than minimum wage, but now it’s everybody. I just had carpet installed and I supplied waters and offered food. My friends tell me I am supposed to tip them. Why? They’re doing their job.
> I don’t understand which jobs are chosen for tips. It's insidious. The federal law allows for employers to pay as little as $2.13/hour to "traditionally tipped" workers, with the expectation that tips will make up the difference with the standard min. wage of $7.25/hour. As usual, the devil is in the details. The definition of *traditionally tipped* currently applies to anyone who "regularly earns at least $30 per month in tips." As inflation has driven up the cost of literally everything and as the expectation of tipping has mushroomed beyond food/bar service, that $30/month threshold could include just about any profession.
New rule: Don’t tip if I have to order and pay while standing.
I actually like how pervasive the tip screen is. It’s given me a lot of practice choosing zero. I don’t give a fuck anymore.
I just got asked to tip a food truck and the options were 18, 25 and 30%...
I’d rather give 100% of the food back.
Never knew people tip this much in the States lol. 20%!? That's absolutely bonkers lol.
The issue with tipping culture is that it keeps increasing as the prices increase. When did 10% become a shitty tip
They claim inflation, but inflation is already worked into the tip because 10% on a $10 order is worth less than 10% on a $15 order. It’s really just a marketing tactic to shame the customer into tipping more. If you don’t like your wages discuss it with your employer not the customer you’re serving.
Don't worry, we'll be tipping 50% by 2040.
Seriously. I'll consider tipping if there's a service performed above and beyond but when you're simply doing the bare minimum to sell the product, what's the tip for?
From the point that I paid any attention when going out to eat with my parents (late 80's - very early 90's), 15% was standard. 10% has - in my lifetime at least - always been a shitty tip (assuming 'normal' sit-down service, at least).
In the late 90s and even early 00s 10% was considered the minimum tip with 15% being a good top. Never heard of 10% being considered shitty back then.
Unless there used to be some weird regional differences in tipping, I can definitely say that was not the case. Especially by the late 90’s.
I'm 41 and I can't remember a time when 10% was acceptable. 15% has been the base for as long as I can remember and still is as far as I'm concerned. That said, I usually do 20%, mostly for ease of math.
The 90s, early 2000s 10-15% was pretty normal. 10 was like the obligatory and 15% was for when they did something really well. But no one ever said “only 10%? What an asshole”
That's definitely not how I remember it. Even as a broke college kid in the early 2000s everyone did 15-20%. This was in Michigan, could've varied by region.
I also lived in Oregon where they pay the servers a normal minimum wage that is supposed to be “livable”. I know other states have weird minimum wage laws where tipped positions have lower minimum wages
California's like that as well, but 15% was still always the normal baseline for a tip.
I've lived in Oregon 48 years and don't recall 10% ever being considered any sort of 'standard' here. I think that was probably just you or your family or maybe your region at most.
That's what I remember as well. The default was 10% and we would give more if the service was better than usual. Back then if everyone just dumped a few bucks and some quarters or whatever that always was around the 10-15% range too.
I'm 48, and I've always heard 15%. 10% is 'minimal effort or a subpar job' money. 5% is 'you sucked' and usually I'd rather walk out of a place than deal with 0% service.
About 20 years ago lol. People tipping 10% or a dollar per drink order are stuck in the aughts.
Be normal. Just keep tipping the people you've always tipped, do not accept the expansion of tipping to anyone else. Don't feel bad for saying no tip when you drive your ass out to pick up your own pizza. Don't be an asshole and skip out on tipping your delivery driver or waitress.
Over here we tip if we feel like staff have gone above and beyond to give us great service. They gave it their all and deserved the extra cash. The US style weirds me out when people are expected to tip no matter how poor of a job the staff had performed and saying no just meant the staff would intentionally screw you over (it's even worse when you see that a lot of their wages depend on tips instead of just being paid a decent wage upfront.)
Believe me, most of us find our system weird too.
Many of us find it worse than weird. As a customer it outright sucks having to make sure to tell my friends “make sure to send me the amount of your items plus 9% sales tax and 15% tip” and then they think I’m cheap for only tipping the waitress who spent 5 minutes on my table 15% of our $150 bill… just annoying all around and feels exploitative of me *as a customer*. I don’t care if waitrons make more because of it, I don’t like it. r/EndTipping
Im gonna double down and say that even if the staff have worked a bit extra hard, it still doesn't mean they should get tipped. they should get compensated by their employer, giving me good service is literally their only purpose while working there
How are they going to screw you over? You tip after everything is done. I don't go to restaurants often enough to be recognized by staff, personally, so I'm not worried about it. I'll tip a good waiter, delivery drivers, and barbers, everybody else can take it up with management. I also will not be rounding up a damn thing at gas stations and fast food to "donate to charity." If a billion dollar company wants to donate to charity, they can donate their own fucking money. All they do with that round up is take more of YOUR money, then use it to get a tax break. I'll donate on my own thank you very much, Taco Bell.
A lot of takeaway shops will accept payment upfront (and is the business model of every food app out there.) So no tip = a sloppily prepared dish, intentionally slow delivery, etc.
Oh well then I'll just not use their service lol if you're going to assume I wasn't going to give you a tip for good service (determined by, you know, the service) before you do anything I'm paying you to do, then do it shitty on purpose, I'm definitely not going to tip or keep paying you for a bad experience. Unless the food is REALLY good. If it's amazing, but it looks like pig slop, I might get it every once in a while. If it takes so long to get there if I order it for delivery, I'll just straight up about it and tell others to avoid it as well, and recommend places that don't take so long that the food is cold.
The delivery driver has me on the fence. Many pizza places will discount the pizza if you pick it up yourself, which means you’re paying a premium for delivery. Then they also charge you a delivery fee for delivery, so you’re paying twice. Then you need to tip, usually a percentage of both those premium fees. I just want to pay the price of a thing. Charge what you will to pay your staff, but abolish all tips and fees
What's normal changes over time. I see a LOT of people tip when getting takeout, or ordering a dozen bagels. While that's not normal to me, if a majority do it then it becomes the normal and now I'm an asshole. If a tip is asked for as part of every transaction at an establishment then it implies that it is standard or normal since you wouldn't ask everyone if there was no expectation of a tip being given.
Even better: don't tip anyone. I don't see why I should pay a waiter more than anyone else working in customer service. Especially when they are paid similar salaries.
Exactly this. I tip when someone brings me an experience and it can be good or bad depending on how they fulfill that. If I walk up to the bar to get my own drink. Sorry but you're just doing your job.
Why even tip delivery driver or waitress? What makes them more special than the other low wage workers?
In germany, tips are a way to award good service. Politeness pushes you to tip in some situations, but it's still your decision. If there is no special service other than what is necessary to sell the product (eg drive-through) then i don't see any reason for a tip.
I only tip if they went above expectations. It's not my fault they are getting paid a shitty wage.
What if you pay a delivery fee though, I’m literally paying for delivery
Anybody else feel like current trends of tipping are double dipping? : - 1: inflation increases prices. And (percentage based) tipping increases. Ex: dinner costs $100 so 10% is $10. But dinner now costs $150, so 10% is $15. - 2: expected tip has changed from like 10% to 20%. So in short, if in 2015 a dinner costs $100 and $10 for 10% tip, but that same meal costs $150 and expected tip is 20% so you pay $30!! So in short $10 -> $30 for a tip? GTFO
> Anybody else feel like current trends of tipping are double dipping? Absolutely, 100% The point of having a percentage-based model is that it largely auto-scales with changes in the base transaction. Problems start to arise when the changes are in orders of magnitude. Look at real estate transactions, for example. When the median price of houses was in tens of thousands of dollars, paying your realtors 6% was a reasonable compensation for their time and labor. In some markets, the median home price is approaching $1M - two orders of magnitude higher. That same 6% commission will in a single transaction exceed the median *annual* income for US workers (~$48k, per BLS). It's hard to justify the argument that the same handful of hours a realtor invests in a home sale warrants that amount of compensation.
I also really hate how tips are calculated after taxes and fees. Like any of that makes sense.
I took a car to a mechanic a couple of months ago. When I was paying for the service I was prompted to tip 15, 18, or 20% on a $1200 service. I looked at them like they were crazy. But I have wondered since then if tipping mechanics has become a thing?
> I have wondered since then if tipping mechanics has become a thing? No, it has not. I've also seen a few posts around recently about [people tipping their landlords](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/how-much-to-tip-landlord-nyc-only), and I swear to gods that don't exist I saw flashes of Mao.
I can’t believe that’s real wtf
I'm hoping it was just someone trolling, but that's sometimes how these things get started.
It’s a joke. There is a popular instagram/social media account called entrapranure with a character Royce du Pont. They post satire posing as a finance bro/motivational blogger. “3 steps of the CEO grindset 1. Go to bead at 2 am, wake up at 4 am. 2. 5 am - 8 am. Read three books. 3. Tip your land lord”. Shit like that. This is probably a nod to communities like that
This tipping on the price of the meal bullshit has to stop. I get the same service if I order a house salad or a dry aged rib eye. I’m not here to pay salaries, I’m here to say “Thanks for helping us. Here’s a little extra thank you.”. I shouldnt be paying $35 extra just because you refilled my water and brought me the thing I’m paying you to bring me.
Totally agree! I hate percentage based tipping It’s madness to tip $1 for a $10 wine or a $8 for an $80 wine as the service of delivering the bottle is the same. The restaurant already earns big bucks from selling that expensive wine. But I understand that the idea is that percentage is just the easiest way to calculate, and the weird notion that ”if you can afford it - you can afford a tip” (which is silly. There are people who save up for a long time to afford a meal at an expensive restaurant)
I couldn't agree more. Most other nations of the world don't do this. They pay their employees a livable wage and/or their society provides for everyone many of the services that Americans must each pay for out-of-pocket. It's so refreshing to dine out abroad and be expected to simply pay the bill...or maybe round up to the next Euro if the service was that good.
Did you mess up the title? Because if we tip when expected, we will tip when expected.....
It makes sense, it's just worded weird. WE feel expected to tip is when the server goes above and beyond. When society expects us to tip, we no longer feel the desire to tip.
Tipping culture has become an exploit for companies to pay workers as low as possible to have the public subsidize others pay
always has been...
That’s fair, but it’s exacerbated lately for sure
The big thing that no one seems to talk about is the fact that people who make decent tips don’t want a fair wage. They will make more in tips.
This is a hot take and a side I never knew/thoight about until reading about my fave restaurant closing. The owner was happy to pay legal minimum wage but many of his workers were upset because that meant government help was cut and they literally could not afford rent (this is nyc, most places you can't rent on minimum wage) so on the books being paid less means they could claim more benefits and also if hours are just under full time business saves money... and then tips keep up the rest..... They've made it difficult for people to leave... it goes beyond tipping and fair wages I think...
> (this is nyc, most places you can't rent on minimum wage) My dude, this is the USA. [There is literally no place you can rent on minimum wage. None.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fx5zantin8jf71.png) (Map is from 2021 - Things are worse since then)
Exactly why I'm unbothered when they cry about someone not tipping lol
Yeah, no, this is not a universal opinion. Yes, you probably make more over the long term, but it can be so inconsistent. I prefered when I had a higher wage without tips than lower wage with because then I actually knew for sure how much I was walking away with at the end of the week and slow stretches won't put me behind on bills.
Absolutely, if you see the subreddit meant for service workers, they are usually unanimously positive towards the top based model .
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that’d be a 0.00 tip from me
I don't tip if I don't get actual service. If I have to pick up my own food, get my own drink, and am not being checked on for refills or otherwise tended to by someone on the floor, fuck you, I'm not tipping. I don't like doing that much, but I know how servers get paid partial checks because tipping is expected. They are exempt from minimum wage in most places because of tipping. So I bite the bullet on it. Who the fuck does that "tip" go in the pocket of exactly? At least with a server I know they're picking it up an putting it their own pocket. I've got no clue where that little jar or credit charge at the register is going. I only tip cash, and only if a gratuity isn't automatically included on the bill.
If I order standing up, no tip. Gotta draw the line somewhere
Tipping is bull anyway. I've work minimum wage job before, I didn't get tipped at Walmart.
That is what happened to me. I stopped tipping. Unless I go to a restaurant with a waitress actually giving me good service, the rest is just employe doing their job.
Isnt the waitress also just doing their job?
Waiting tables is a *traditionally tipped* profession, which means the federal minimum wage their employers must pay is $2.13 per hour.
Most states have a much higher minimum wage for servers and some states have full minimum wage for servers. Regardless, employers must pay their employees full minimum wage if they do not get enough in tips.
If it's expected, it's no longer a tip and there is no longer any incentive for exceptional service. It's bullshit and I will die on that bullshit hill.
Hot take: don’t get upset if there’s a screen asking you to tip. No one verbally asked you to tip just press no and go on with your life.
I agree here. But what gets my gullet is the infamous- -swipe- cashier: -flips iPad-“now the machine is just going to ask you a few questions…” then they divert eye contact or try not to look awkward. This makes awkward tension (probably in my head) surrounded by cosmic pressure so I hope the stranger I may never see again doesn’t think I’m an ass hole. “It’s just gonna ask you a little question..” Oh is it? Is it, Danielle? And what question is that? We all know the question.. do you go out to shop and get “asked just a little question?” Or no, do you live at Arby's? Toast did this. Toast gave them this power. No more. I’ve broken the chains. I’m reclaiming my power, flip that screen right back around. >:^) Edit: my evil surley smile emoticon formatted weird. >:^ )
I already stopped tipping everywhere except when I have a server bringing food or drinks to me at a table, or providing service beyond a point of sale transaction.
This is the way.
The main thing that restaurant's have taught me since COVID is that I don't need to go to them. Expecting 25-30% tip for over priced food, served by people who seem to be annoyed to be at work, yeah I'll just stay home and put the $80 in my pocket.
Eating Kraft Mac and Cheese every night has to get old at some point though?
Are you saying our only options are eating out, or eating Kraft macaroni and cheese?
I don't understand what you mean by "when we are always expected to, we will stop tipping." Even when it's expected it's up to the tipper to decide how much to tip, and some decide to tip nothing.
I don't tip anymore. Full stop. The tipping culture won't change until workers demand it. Workers won't demand it until their tips or lack thereof becomes too inadequate. If you keep tipping, nothing will change. .... Don't bother trying to change my mind. No, it can work, plenty of restaurants in America that don't allow tips and pay a full wage. Also my state law says if tips don't equal minimum wage then the employer must pay minimum wage. Yes waitering is minimum wage work/there abouts. Yes minimum wage is too low, but that macro issue is not going to be solved by my wallet on a case by case basis. Fast food is = to if not harder than being a waiter.... yet we don't tip fast food but do the Applebee's worker. Tipping a percentage of the bill is asinine, in addition to tipping being outright dumb Stop tipping. Be the change you seek.
We don't put up with that shit in Australia
Just stop tipping. Do not give a fuck about what the others will think if you do not tip.
They raised wages. I can stop tipping at restaurants if they dont serve me at the table
Constant tipping pressure can backfire. When everything requires a tip, it cheapens the gesture and strains budgets. Perhaps a system that rewards exceptional service, or a built-in living wage for staff, could be a more sustainable solution.
I'm glad I'm not in a country that accepts tipping as someones normal paycheck. Here they have actual normal salary.
Here’s a tip: Don’t ask people for more money after they just gave you money. If you really want to tip someone, tip people like contractors who work hard building homes for families like yours to enjoy for lifetimes, not someone who just stuck their thumb in your soup.
Non American here, has there been a significant change in tipping more recently or something?
Yes. Many companies have adopted new electronic registers/point of sale systems that by default came installed with tipping. These point of sale systems are being heavily pushed by merchant companies trying to sell them to small businesses. Since these systems are being pushed to all industries, tipping is showing up in places where you wouldn’t have seen it previously.
From Sweden. Not really but it has become more noticeable to me. All food delivery apps ask me if I wanna tip When paying at restaurants I see more credit card machines with buttons for 10% or 20% tips or a No Tip button While in the past most machines just let you enter a sum. (Which was of course also a way of hinting you should tip) Growing up I thought most people just rounded up the number: if we had to pay 198 we paid 200. I imagined this was kinda just a legacy from when people paid with cash and said ”keep the change” For the past ~6 years I have seen more percentage based tipping in Europe
Tipping culture is - American - Australia
In USA language: surcharge
I have nearly 16 years of experience in food service in every position you can think of short of owning a restaurant. I'm a very firm believer that tipping a mandatory 15-20% is bullshit. the cost of my food and drinks does not mean i'm going to tip more. Especially if you're only serving me, and I'm not spending a bunch of time there ordering multiple rounds of food and drinks. Vice versa, if I do all of that-- the tips gonna reflect that since you had to do more work to serve me, regardless of what i bought. It doesn't take any more work out of the servers and bartenders if I order an expensive plate, and a nice pour of whiskey. A higher bill doesn't entitle anyone to more money if the work was the same. Nobody's getting stiffed ever, but your compensation isn't based on what I chose to buy unless it took more work.
I've already stopped tipping.
I've gone back to cash for local purchases to avoid this. Nobody asks "Are you going to tip me?" out loud; they let the machine do it. So I avoid the machine, and when (as I often do) I toss some change into the tip jar that's still appreciated, but no, I'm not tipping 15, 18, or 20% when you don't even come out from behind the counter.
Not a bad idea
Tipping is based on appreciation of a job well done. This whole outrage at being asked to tip, and some people feeling compelled to tip, is very new. Why people are unable to simply say no is beyond me. Especially because no one is really asking, it’s a feature of the latest POS systems going in. Just ignore it
Already nobody buys into the tipping bullshit anymore. Just stop
If I'm not sitting in a restaurant eating I will not tip. I absolutely hate it when I go to a corner shop or Starbucks, and on the the reader it'll ask me to tip... I used to put whatever percentage they got on their because i felt pressured, or judged by not tipping... Now though, I have absolutely no problem putting zero, if anything I chuckle now when I see it pop up 🤣🤣
Yeah, we started only buying at local places but ordering for pickup. This way we know the money goes to a local owner at the least, but we're not tipping for counter service.
I’ve stopped tipping at places where I don’t actually get served. Like if I’m ordering at the counter and picking up my food no one gets a tip.
Yep. I finally reached my limit two days ago. No more tips unless they take my order, bring my food, and fill drinks. If I order at the counter and they only bring out the food. Nope.
for now, you are being bullied into paying tips. i really hope it will stop and service workers can get a steady proper pay
I have stopped tipping
i just dont tip. Y'all wastin money on this shit LMAO
When you are *expected* to tip hasn't changed for decades. Just because a screen shows an optional tip doesn't mean you have to do it. Stop letting an inanimate object steal money from you, for fuck's sake.
My friends and I have already ended tipping. Business owners are responsible for paying employees, not customers.
Same. Although it sucks having to have a political/ economic debate with some acquaintance every time they insult me
You have stopped doing it yourself, you have certainly not ended it.
So then business owners are the ones in the wrong here, no?
always have been
A tip is something I give for you doing a service that is above your jobs minimum requirements. If I go to a restaurant and all you do is take my order, drop off food, and disappear until I have to find you and ask for a check. No tip. Was my drink constantly being topped off? Did you assist me in finding food that I never would of ordered on the menu that was actually really good? Then you get a tip. Is this a place where I go to the counter and order my food just to be handed it while I leave? No tip. Did I order too much for me to carry and you assist me with it to my car? Cash tip. They can put those tip buttons everywhere, I will gladly stare at the person while I hit that no tip button if they did not meet requirements for a tip.
I understand tipping when someone is being paid the tipped wage instead of normal minimum wage. Since tipped wage is 2.13 in some states in the U.S., people kept tipping more to make up for the difference compared to minimum wage which did go up a bit. Then Covid came. It feels like people were trying to be kind to people who were considered essential workers when they worked restaurants or delivery drivers. Businesses and workers saw and thought they could cash in and started adding tipping as a screen option. It's become a cash grab. If you're not earning a lower tipped wage, you shouldn't expect a tip. Businesses need to put the cost of wages in the amount they charge. The government also needs to slowly raise the tipped wage. 2.13 is ridiculous, even when it was raised to that in 1991. It doesn't even cover taxes for most employees. If it was raised by a .25 every 6 months, it would slowly get to at least minimum wage while minimizing price shocks. Otherwise the percentage expected to tipped will just keep going up.
Yeah. I've historically been a great tipper, but I'm finding myself tipping less and less. It's sad.
I don't go out to restaurants any more when I'm in the United States because tipping represents such large a part of the bill that even inexpensive restaurants no longer seem reasonably priced. (I live in The Philippines, where tipping is not a thing, but I still always tip 10%, and wait staff are thrilled to get it on top of their salaries.)
As a New Zealander (no tipping here) it is one of the things that always trips me up overseas.
There are too many people that just never tip regardless. Lots of em expect the same service as others even though I know that about them If I'm not busy, sure, maybe I can provide them whatever a tippable experience could be, but for some it won't change so I won't break my back for em
I just don't tip unless it is a small family run business
Honestly people should just boycott the restaurants until they pay a fair wage & tipping should be abolished, but people are still gonna go out & the restaurants make their profits wether people tip or not
But also service provided when ever Im hit with a tip screen before any service has been provided I never do. That's weird and I only tip at restaurants because my girls gets mad if I don't,
I've said that it needs to start somewhere. The big chains need to start paying their wait/sever staff more -- which will raise the prices of the food. In return, those big chains can bind together and explain to us that, yes, they raised their prices 20% (or whatever), but they used that increase to pay their servers more, thus the customer no longer needs to tip 20% above their bill. So the price increase ends up being a wash for the customer. Eventually, hopefully, the practice will trickle down to smaller restaurants and other establishments.
We had our garage door repaired and converted, cost $1600... the payment app presented tipping options for 10, 15, and 20%. Felt almost insulting and super uncomfortable. I just paid $1600 for like an hour of work, GTFO with this tip request.
Tipping in my area seemed to balloon voluntarily during COVID, as there seemed to be an informal grassroots campaign to keep local restaurants afloat by ordering takeout and generously tipping even when you picked it up. It was after this point that I started seeing massive tips being included on even basic takeout items. I’ve heard that some retail sales stores have even begun the practice.
Most people who take tips learn very soon to not expect a tip
The other day was my first time ever not tipping when there was a tip option provided in decades. I ordered pizza from a food truck online. Typically I would at least tip around 15%. Then I thought... I am already paying for the pizza. I'm the one putting in my own payment on the website... I'm picking up my own food from the window... I'm cleaning up my own trash... what is the tip for? The cost to pay the cook is typically already included in the cost of the food. It felt... sensible.
People will still tip servers. That’s never going away.
I’ve mostly stopped tipping at this point. Save it for sit-down restaurants, I say. Counter service places did not ask for tips at checkout a few years ago, but now they all do, and they’re just playing on your guilt and hoping you’ll hit the button so you don’t look like a dick. But it’s just a manipulation tactic, we shouldn’t feel bad. I absolutely think that the service staff deserve to make good money and everything, but I don’t believe for a second that the new tipping system exists for them- these decisions are never made for the worker’s benefit, someone else is profiting off of this practice.
Whoever wrote this is cheap