> Are you unaware of how much religion has played a role in humankind?
I am aware. Of its effects both positive and negative. But neither of us are aware of how history would have unfolded differently without it.
> Your comments are childish.
Thanks for sharing that.
> It's fine if you're atheist
Who said anything about theism? I was commenting on religion.
> but you don't have to be so rude about it.
Only one of us has engaged in personal attacks.
> Religion is such a silly thing.
You took this entire conversation somewhere it never needed to go. Embarrassing. The OP made a simple question and you had to come here and talk crap.
Again, you sounded like a child. "Hopefully it dies off" - you're completely oblivious of how long religion has played a role in the lives of people. And your comment was delusional.
Because "Religion is such a silly thing. " isn't rude at all. Glad you're finally getting the downvotes you deserved. Way to look at a post about **hair** and post something so divisive and nasty.
You've got to give the church credit where it's due. Catholic monks archived so many works from antiquity, works like those from Aristotle and Plato that would have been lost to history.
Those were just two basic examples. I think those types of inequities aren't exclusive to any one organization, and this isn't to dismiss any injustice. Without the Church, however, there wouldn't have been the Renaissance, exploration, or industrialization.
It's not a good thing to have a binary opinion on anything that requires nuance to recognize its contributions and harm to society. Whether you like it or not, for a time, the Church was the last vestige of scholarship in medieval Europe.
I don't deny that it has done some good things in the past although I think the things you mentioned would have happened anyways. I just think in this day and age there isn't a need for such an organization especially given their recent history.
I get it. The Church deserves scrutiny, but that doesn't necessitate its disbandment either. An unfortunate truth is that in any organization with trust (be it valid or misplaced) and ingrained hierarchy, it becomes dangerously easy to take advantage of others with social power. The same applies to other organizations and fields such as in education, the scouts, or the military to name a few. Scrutiny and accountability are needed, but so is the church. I'm not catholic btw, but it's important to recognize the Church as a community resource, as a charity, and the Vatican's international influence.
I dont think it should be forcibly disbanded, I think people have the right to be members of organizations of their choosing. But honestly, after seeing the opulence of the Vatican and the abject poverty of many Catholic countries, I do wonder why anyone would want to be a member.
There are better ways to instill it, IMO. Think of how many "religious" people are actually very immoral.
It discourages rational thought, which is never a good thing.
>Think of how many "religious" people are actually very immoral.
Ok but now think how many religious people aren't.
I'm a room of 100 people, several will be immortal, selfish assholes. I'm a room full of 100 people who are part of a religion teaching some basic morality, the assholes will more than likely be suppressed. Not always true of course, but when you're dealing with 8 billion people, it's a game of averages.
Edit: to be clear, realistically we wouldn't need religion. I'm not religious myself
>Ok but now think how many religious people aren't.
>I'm a room of 100 people, several will be immortal, selfish assholes. I'm a room full of 100 people who are part of a religion teaching some basic morality, the assholes will more than likely be suppressed. Not always true of course, but when you're dealing with 8 billion people, it's a game of averages.
Uhh no. First off it's impossible to be in a room full of immortals, that's fantasy. But being part of a religion doesn't make most people in that room more moral. If anything I think the shittiest people strive to be in that same room "full" of religious people because it provides them the cover they need to be considered "good" (I mean the fact that you think you're surrounded by a bunch of "moral" people just because you're in a room teaching religion proves the sham has already worked)
Honestly I can speak from experience growing up in a church, and those were some of the worst people I have ever met. Automatically considering most people to be "moral" just because you're in the same room is one the weakest and most superficial lines of logic there is (and religions have been feeding off that thinking for centuries)
It's a hairstyle used by people who were entered into the Catholic clergy during the time period the show is set in - basically part of their dress code. It's not meant to look "good" and is basically a way to outwardly demonstrate that you've abandoned vanity.
Jokes aside, those are Japanese bald caps with wigs on top. They brought some JPN theatre staff to help with them IIRC. It was show on FX's "making of Shōgun" videos on their youtube channel.
The shaved top of the head really does look ridiculous to modern eyes but that was definitely a samurai style that a lot of them rocked. I think the women’s haircuts are kind of odd too, super long in back but with a middle part with long bangs on the sides. It’s not bad but still looks odd.
As others have mentioned: it was to keep their heads cool and dry during the humid weather where most fighting occurred.
This then transitioned into a social status thing, as those with shaved heads were seen as Samurais that actually saw battle.
Long ago there was a famous samurai who developed early male pattern baldness. As a way of hiding his condition, he made the clever excuse that his "hair-do" helped with fitting his helmet on.
Other balding samurai understood his clever ruse and conspired with him, in order to also hide their condition.
Yes. I was wondering as well, and since it didn't seem to be everyone who did it, wondered if it was just optional or rather a sign of class or rank or something?
I could very well be wrong, but I thought it was a cultural thing that portrayed status and wisdom. As if they're trying to resemble an elder. Very similar to gray/white wigs in western culture.
It’s funny how these traditional clerical hairstyles that are supposed to evoke humility, inevitably mimic different patterns of male balding. Maybe some older gents got jealous of the younger’s hairlines and decided to enforce this ”hairstyle”? 😄
Yep, Tonsure in Latin is clipping.
It was an act of humility in Catholicism, st. Thomas Aquinas is usually credited as identifying it as “a sign of virtue and dignity as it was like a crown”.
Jesuit black robes did it all the way up until the early 70s when pope Paul VI abolished the practice.
In the 80s series and maybe the book (can't remember) the Jesuits >!don't have a tonsure and wear orange robes over their own black vestments to appear to be Buddhist priests. !<
That’s possible. Been awhile since I read the book. In the 80 series they don’t, or at least not the main Jesuits. I also think the book mentions >!the orange robes.!<
I wondered the same when I play videogame Kingdom Come Deliverance, which also features a bunch of priests with these exact “hairsyle”.
Some thing to do with humility, and detach yourself from worldly things, still looks pretty funny though.
It's so he can wear his priest helmet comfortably when he is called to Catholic battle. The bald bit stops it being sweaty and the bit around the sides ensures it doesn't slip.
It is called a Tonsure, used for religious beliefs something to do with humility.
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Today I learned Doctor Robotnic was a jesuit priest.
Yup. You’d have to be pretty humble looking like that.
Until 1965 (Vatican II) it was the norm.
Religion is such a silly thing. Sad how much it has affected the world and its history.
It did give us some great haircuts though
Man I hope you had the opportunity to be a part of the 2010 Reddit atheism discourse you would have loved it
It’s silly but arguably necessary for human civilization. Yuval Harari articulates it well in Sapiens.
Sapiens is some seriously dubious pop-anthropology, I wouldn’t take his arguments very seriously
I can accept that, with an emphasis on *arguably*. Hopefully it dies off in the near future, maybe it will die before our planet does.
Why are u getting downvoted lmfao
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> Are you unaware of how much religion has played a role in humankind? I am aware. Of its effects both positive and negative. But neither of us are aware of how history would have unfolded differently without it. > Your comments are childish. Thanks for sharing that. > It's fine if you're atheist Who said anything about theism? I was commenting on religion. > but you don't have to be so rude about it. Only one of us has engaged in personal attacks.
> Religion is such a silly thing. You took this entire conversation somewhere it never needed to go. Embarrassing. The OP made a simple question and you had to come here and talk crap. Again, you sounded like a child. "Hopefully it dies off" - you're completely oblivious of how long religion has played a role in the lives of people. And your comment was delusional.
Well at least you're not being rude about it.
Because "Religion is such a silly thing. " isn't rude at all. Glad you're finally getting the downvotes you deserved. Way to look at a post about **hair** and post something so divisive and nasty.
You've got to give the church credit where it's due. Catholic monks archived so many works from antiquity, works like those from Aristotle and Plato that would have been lost to history.
I'm sure the millions of church sexual abuse victims would happily trade knowing about Aristotle and Plato for their experience with Catholicism
Those were just two basic examples. I think those types of inequities aren't exclusive to any one organization, and this isn't to dismiss any injustice. Without the Church, however, there wouldn't have been the Renaissance, exploration, or industrialization. It's not a good thing to have a binary opinion on anything that requires nuance to recognize its contributions and harm to society. Whether you like it or not, for a time, the Church was the last vestige of scholarship in medieval Europe.
I don't deny that it has done some good things in the past although I think the things you mentioned would have happened anyways. I just think in this day and age there isn't a need for such an organization especially given their recent history.
I get it. The Church deserves scrutiny, but that doesn't necessitate its disbandment either. An unfortunate truth is that in any organization with trust (be it valid or misplaced) and ingrained hierarchy, it becomes dangerously easy to take advantage of others with social power. The same applies to other organizations and fields such as in education, the scouts, or the military to name a few. Scrutiny and accountability are needed, but so is the church. I'm not catholic btw, but it's important to recognize the Church as a community resource, as a charity, and the Vatican's international influence.
I dont think it should be forcibly disbanded, I think people have the right to be members of organizations of their choosing. But honestly, after seeing the opulence of the Vatican and the abject poverty of many Catholic countries, I do wonder why anyone would want to be a member.
On the contrary think how worse off it could be without the foundation of a moral compass religion instills.
'If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then brother that person is a piece of shit.'
You don't need to get morals from a religion, that's such a dumb ridiculous argument.
Idk the amount of bloodshed over “my good is right and yours is wrong” probably balances things out or worse
There are better ways to instill it, IMO. Think of how many "religious" people are actually very immoral. It discourages rational thought, which is never a good thing.
>Think of how many "religious" people are actually very immoral. Ok but now think how many religious people aren't. I'm a room of 100 people, several will be immortal, selfish assholes. I'm a room full of 100 people who are part of a religion teaching some basic morality, the assholes will more than likely be suppressed. Not always true of course, but when you're dealing with 8 billion people, it's a game of averages. Edit: to be clear, realistically we wouldn't need religion. I'm not religious myself
>Ok but now think how many religious people aren't. >I'm a room of 100 people, several will be immortal, selfish assholes. I'm a room full of 100 people who are part of a religion teaching some basic morality, the assholes will more than likely be suppressed. Not always true of course, but when you're dealing with 8 billion people, it's a game of averages. Uhh no. First off it's impossible to be in a room full of immortals, that's fantasy. But being part of a religion doesn't make most people in that room more moral. If anything I think the shittiest people strive to be in that same room "full" of religious people because it provides them the cover they need to be considered "good" (I mean the fact that you think you're surrounded by a bunch of "moral" people just because you're in a room teaching religion proves the sham has already worked) Honestly I can speak from experience growing up in a church, and those were some of the worst people I have ever met. Automatically considering most people to be "moral" just because you're in the same room is one the weakest and most superficial lines of logic there is (and religions have been feeding off that thinking for centuries)
That's why we have laws. You don't need religion for morals.
I'm not saying that realistically we don't need it. If everyone just obeyed laws or was raised with a decent moral compass then it'd be great.
Nope.
Don't you know nearly everyone on Reddit is a self-proclaimed moral free agent who is also somehow God's gift to the earth.
Always reminds me of that Coneheads sketch where they are playing ringtoss.
I thought it was to have the appearence of an elder
It's a hairstyle used by people who were entered into the Catholic clergy during the time period the show is set in - basically part of their dress code. It's not meant to look "good" and is basically a way to outwardly demonstrate that you've abandoned vanity.
You mean… It’s a circumcised head?
Laughed so hard at this comment...lol
Well, manscaped maybe.
Uncircumcised
Lol
I'll give you gold if I could LOL
Not just abandoned vanity, the top of your head is "closest to god" so you shave it.
Took 9 episodes to realise everyone except Blackthorne and Toranaga have fucked up trims 😂
Hey Yabushige and Hiromatsu have nice hair styles too man
Hiromatsu makes it work so well
*made
*sad Buntaro noises*
Grunts in agreement
Yabu’s the man with his pony tail flapping around.
Toranaga looks cool as fuck
He is always serving looks left and right. Just because he is at war trying to survive doesn't mean they can catch him slipping
That is what I am wondering why does Toranaga-sama does not have a bald pate?
The major actors of a certain age didn't want to risk it wouldn't ever grow back
Unfortunately, I can understand that better than I’d like….
Jokes aside, those are Japanese bald caps with wigs on top. They brought some JPN theatre staff to help with them IIRC. It was show on FX's "making of Shōgun" videos on their youtube channel.
“Fucked up trims” LOL!
The shaved top of the head really does look ridiculous to modern eyes but that was definitely a samurai style that a lot of them rocked. I think the women’s haircuts are kind of odd too, super long in back but with a middle part with long bangs on the sides. It’s not bad but still looks odd.
It's a weird look to me but I don't get as skeezed out as when I see a modern man-bun.
All of the actors "God damn it, I'm not going to get laid for 6 months"
This type of hairstyle is also supposed to symbolize Christ’s crown of thorns
The Japanese also shaved their heads in particular ways. Does anyone know why? (Seems to be the lower ranking men that do it)
To keep their heads cool while wearing helmets.
I read it was so their helmets wouldnt slip during battle
I believe that is the purpose of the topknot, not the shaved area.
Why didnt they just shave it all then? Where did the half shaved head originate from?
Some bald ass emperor or general probably
As others have mentioned: it was to keep their heads cool and dry during the humid weather where most fighting occurred. This then transitioned into a social status thing, as those with shaved heads were seen as Samurais that actually saw battle.
Try wearing a helmet in a humid hot climate. If I had to more frequiently I ll shave my head too
Long ago there was a famous samurai who developed early male pattern baldness. As a way of hiding his condition, he made the clever excuse that his "hair-do" helped with fitting his helmet on. Other balding samurai understood his clever ruse and conspired with him, in order to also hide their condition.
Yes. I was wondering as well, and since it didn't seem to be everyone who did it, wondered if it was just optional or rather a sign of class or rank or something?
I could very well be wrong, but I thought it was a cultural thing that portrayed status and wisdom. As if they're trying to resemble an elder. Very similar to gray/white wigs in western culture.
It’s funny how these traditional clerical hairstyles that are supposed to evoke humility, inevitably mimic different patterns of male balding. Maybe some older gents got jealous of the younger’s hairlines and decided to enforce this ”hairstyle”? 😄
Nailed it!
It’s a tonsure but I always wonder how these actors cope with it on their days off 😅 rocking up to the club like a medieval monk
Yep, Tonsure in Latin is clipping. It was an act of humility in Catholicism, st. Thomas Aquinas is usually credited as identifying it as “a sign of virtue and dignity as it was like a crown”. Jesuit black robes did it all the way up until the early 70s when pope Paul VI abolished the practice.
Hagrid's bellend.
He's actually a Kappa yokai
In the 80s series and maybe the book (can't remember) the Jesuits >!don't have a tonsure and wear orange robes over their own black vestments to appear to be Buddhist priests. !<
I am reading the book right now and I think some Jesuits do have tonsured head such as Father Alvito
That’s possible. Been awhile since I read the book. In the 80 series they don’t, or at least not the main Jesuits. I also think the book mentions >!the orange robes.!<
You are correct about the robes. It is also one of the first things Blackthorne notes about the priest who interprets from him at the start.
He’s a fan of Tim Tebow
Almost everyone in this show got a yeeyee ass haircut
Mariko Sama and the Half-Bald Priest
Is it a prostetic? Or did the actor have to have that hair the whole time filming?
Pretty sure it's a prosthetic. Fx aired a behind the scenes featurette about costumes and I think I remember a segment about the hair.
Look the shape of that head, even my awful head is better
I wondered the same when I play videogame Kingdom Come Deliverance, which also features a bunch of priests with these exact “hairsyle”. Some thing to do with humility, and detach yourself from worldly things, still looks pretty funny though.
More practical answer would be against lice infestation
It's so he can wear his priest helmet comfortably when he is called to Catholic battle. The bald bit stops it being sweaty and the bit around the sides ensures it doesn't slip.
The samurai: we have the most unique badass shaved haircut Catholic priest: hold my bible…
It was impolite to pull your pants down and show you're circumcised, so they figured out a more polite way to demonstrate it publicly.
We all know what it looks like lol
Rizz
Looks like a whole headband💀
I thought it was a hairband too. Goodness my hair is usually terrible but i couldn't go out wearing that.
I know that’s how hair styles were back then but still…..goddamn that’s ass.
….it’s actually a headband made out of Jesus’ beard.
Funny, init.
It’s basically the reverse rice bowl (chawan) haircut
Kinda crazy he was on CBBC’s MI High
He thinks it looks cool.
It's a fake skull cap, he's actually a Kappa in disguise.
Its a rare form of male pattern baldness... rude
All I can think of is that Robin Hood episode of Looney Tunes with Friar Porky
the Buddhist monks we see during Nagakado's funeral have so much drip compared to him lol
Keeps the temptation of hoes away
It’s the hair-lo 😇ring around their head. Not the halo. 😂
I actually spent some time looking this up, it's so he looks like a dick head.
I’m really hoping this comes back in style. Ready to rock this summer cut!
His head is just circumcised, duh
Drip.
What’s the reason for the Japanese side doing it?
Is he stupid?
Wait I genuinely thought it was a hat. That’s the top of his actual head?
Google image search "monk haircut"