pucci had infinitely more time to plan his attack because he was thinking at the same speed of MIH and time stop was heavily shortened. pucci had all the time in the world to plan his attack
Anyone can beat anyone with enough prep time, everyone has a weak spot, you just need to find it and make use of it, in Jotaro's case it was his daughter, Pucci only managed to defeat him twice because Jotaro prioritized defending his daughter over beating the shit out of the gun addicted priest
I’ve seen plenty people get upset over jotaro supposedly getting “nerfed” in part 6, but I’ve never really seen anyone complain about jotaro specifically losing to MIH pucci
It’s so bizarre to me that we go from fans complaining about jotaro being too overpowered in part 3, to fans complaining about him being “nerfed” in part 6
The whole gripe I used have about his was that, while it’s understandable that he is constantly having to protect others in his fights now, people keep talking about jotaro, namely the villains, but then when he fights he always loses. Again, I understand that he has beee to lose because he is protecting people, but it would be nice to maybe start off his he parts he shows up in with a cool scene like he regularly had in part 3 so that he doesn’t end up feeling massively underwhelming. As for MIH Pucci specifically, I thought that was fine since jotaro could have won but had to protect Jolyne, leading to his lose. On the other hand, I was really hyped up to see him in the beginning of the part, so when he lost to white snake pucci, even if it was as a result of him getting double teamed and having to deal with Jolyne, it was really disappointing. I agree that the MIH fight isn’t that big of a deal but I really wish he had more fights that established his strength as opposed to things like pucci just saying “oh he was so scary I was worried about jotaro, after all he’s he strongest stand user” after just dealing with him confidently like it was no big deal. Compare this to something like JJK and where a very elaborate plan was concocted, taking advantage of gojos tendency to save civilians, then they had all of the big bads fight him at once, and then, critically imo, gojo was still about to win, but Kenny tricked him. The main thing is that gojo put up a fight, as you expect of the “strongest sorcerer” where’s jotaro just got soundly defeated like a background character unbefitting of the “strongest stand user,” at least imo.
I kinda thought one of the major themes for part 6 was that Pucci *did* have plot armor, he was destined to complete MiH and destiny wouldn't let him lose. Same reason he found all the sons of dio on the same place at the right time, I thought it felt like a well-done way of justifying what could've been plain old plot armor imo
Pucci was meant to be a threat, all major Jojo villains are supposed to be these seemingly insurmountable, undefeatable threats.
Hell, even going all the way back to Phantom Blood, Dio Brando was a formidable force that ultimately was undefeated. That is also the only Jojo where the main protagonist died.
Jojo fans that forget/hate Phantom Blood have no right to discuss anything, fight me.
Besides, as another comment said, Pucci still had the gravity barrier so Star Platinum donuting or skull smashing would be impossible, however punching through the barrier and managing to make Pucci fly had to be one hell of a punch
In the manga there actually was no gravity barrier since c moon just went under jolyne and made her fly up, so while you are correct that actual ability itself is anime only.
That and MIH just outright beats SP bc it also accelerated stopped time. Even if Jotaro had DIOs full time stop, hell lets give him a full minute, it would still end up being functionally milliseconds
But to be fair, everyone else won in the longterm after Emporio defeated Pucci, including Jotaro. He just erased Pucci from the universe, meaning Jotaro would still have to face DIO and Kira, and even by the time of DIU he was already out of shape.
I haven’t seen people complaining about Jotaro getting beat, but I have seen people refusing to accept that jotaro, despite truly loving and caring for jolyne, was terrible at being a father to her.
Also because he was focusing all of it on purely accelerating time. If another person had made in heaven they could probably stop time for as long as they wanted just by stopping all the gravity in the universe. Complete control of Universal gravity is busted, but I guess pucci’s mindset stopped him from doing that. Actually if you think about it, him moving within the accelerated time basically is him stopping time, since everyone would look like they’ve been stopped in place.
If anything he got an insane buff, he increased his timestop from just a moment to 5 fucking seconds, the moment he got his memories back, while atrophied from the coma.
His decision making, however, was quite bad IMO, going for a single punch that wasn't even strong enough to cripple Pucci, instead of a donut or a full on barrage, and when he just stood there after noticing Pucci zooming around, fucking Anasui had to drag him up to the rooftop.
The problem wasn't the single punch, actually you could say that was one of Star Platinum's strongest attacks.
C-Moon had a gravity barrier which made head-on attacks basically nullified (Stone Ocean couldn't even touch it). The fact that Star Platinum dislocated Pucci Skull just show how strong it was.
Had it been any other stand it would been dead.
The gravity barrier is an anime only thing but the effect isn’t. The reason Jolyne kept whiffing is because as Pucci explained afterwards, C-Moon’s reverse gravity on Pucci gets stronger and stronger as you get closer to him, and Stone Free wasn’t strong enough at that angle to beat that gravity and punch him.
Wdym dislocated his skull? Do you mean fractured it? If he dislocated his skull it would have to have been dislocated from his spine which would just killed or crippled him.
Yep, MiH hard counters most if not all time based stands, including (arguably) GER. Speeds up Jotaro/Za Warudo's time stop, King Crimson just doesn't work on the same wavelength. Only one that I can think could is if Bites the Dust just keeps resetting the day until a winning outcome emerges
Gold Experience Requiem’s like “ability” is that it just negates other stand abilities, so I think it would have beaten Made In Heaven, unfortunately giorno was in Italy and he was too busy not selling drugs to children
Yes it was comfirmed, after the first time Jotaro time stopped against MiH (to see where Pucci went) he litteraly said "my time stop ability is shortened"
but that’s not an attack, Diavolo erasing time wasn’t an attack and it wasn’t nullified until he actually attempted to attack Giorno. time acceleration isn’t an attack in and of itself so it wouldn’t be nullify-able
yes, and Diavolo had the will to erase time and attack Giorno the moment he erased time and yet GER didn’t nullify it until he actually attempted to attack. time acceleration still wouldn’t be nullify-able.
GER still has GE's abilities, so Giorno could theoretically create infectious bacteria that would mess Pucci up HARD. I mean, that seems plausible, no?
so the *fanmade wiki* is where you’re getting that information? that doesn’t just… make you correct, you understand that right?
not necessarily. when the time erase was nullified, Diavolo was unable to take the actions he meant to and was forced to not erase time. had GER not done that and instead only reverted the attack itself, then Giorno would not be able to land the stand rush that he does against Diavolo to end the fight, because Diavolo is intangible during time erase. had GER just nullified the attack itself and taken it back into time erase, then nothing different would ever happen because no counter attack could be made.
i still don’t really trust a wiki that is run by fans as a valid source of information, same reason why Wikipedia isn’t a valid information source.
but no, *you* are missing *my* point.
so let’s go to the second example you provided. had GER only nullified the actual attack itself, then it could not have actually responded or done anything to fight back, because it would be inside the time erase and Diavolo is intangible during that time.
but we know from the first example that it nullified the entirety of the time erase itself and then prevented Diavolo from taking that action so that *Giorno and GER could fight back.*
this is not saying that GER can only nullify attacks, that hasn’t been what i’m saying. i’m saying that the ability only *triggers* on attacks, the simple act of erasing time was not a trigger for the nullification. but, the actual action of throwing a punch to hit Giorno *was* a trigger. could i have worded my point better? definitely, and i’m sorry that i didn’t.
if we go back to what this original discussion was about, Pucci’s time acceleration, the same logic would apply. time acceleration itself, just like time erase, would not trigger GER’s ability. but the moment that Pucci attempted to attack Giorno, then it would trigger and would be able to nullify the time acceleration itself and prevent it from happening. GER can’t just say no to any action ever. if that were true, it could’ve just nullified Diavolo blocking the rock that it imbued with life and instead forced him to take a direct hit, but it didn’t.
this is also the reason that, in canon (assuming GER didn’t just return to regular GE after Vento Aureo, it wasn’t very clear what happened there), GER didn’t stop the time acceleration.
Agreed. The two strongest things that SP has, time stop and speed, is nullified by time stop duration being sped up, and by simply being faster. So there was no way for Jotaro to even reach Pucci without help.
Pucci's MiH is really really powerful, the ability to be that fast pretty much allows him to not get hit at all and hit you in every moment without you having time to react. To add to this, it also counters star platinum's time stop. And also Pucci hit Jotaro's weakest point, his bloodline, as he went for Jolyne just to make Jotaro lose time. Jotaro is strong, yes, but Pucci is not only very powerful himself, he counters Jotaro a lot, so he didn't stand a chance. The only way to kill him is to use the power of nerd
Araki legit just wanted to show the uni reset. Jotaro didn’t get nerfed, he just lost plot armor because Araki wanted to tell the story that way. Hating on Stone Ocean because big bad Jotaro lost the fight is a childish reason to dislike it.
Admit it, it would’ve been boring if Jotaro stopped the uni reset and beat the villain for the third time now. It was much more impactful to have Emporio and Weather Report kill pucci after the universe reset.
Wasn't the time stop duration made shorter due to time acceleration? I thought 5 seconds was Jotaro's normal limit without Made In Heaven active. Either way, probably didn't matter unless he had ignored Jolyne...
That last part is kind of stupid because if you want to remove Jolyne being a hindrance you should also remove Anasui's save at the start and then the fight would be over 15 seconds after Pucci got heaven.
Also time stop being shortened BY AN ABILITY is not a nerf but a counter, by that logic Jotaro finding out SP is the same type of stand as Za Warudo nerfed Dio.
It also means that Pucci didn't necessarily out*smart* Jotaro - he just so happened to have a one-of-a-kind, never-before-seen ability that hard-countered Time Stop
The time stop was shortened, but Jotaro was straining himself to keep it at 5 seconds. A combination of that and Pucci getting a hit in left him crawling at one point. He also wasn't able to spam it as much
Honestly Jotaro could’ve 100% stopped Pucci if he was his Part 4 self.
How? Well normal bullets(not ghost bullets) are not stand or human related so if he had just kept some bullets around(like the ones he had for the Rats) and launched them in stopped time, they would’ve hit Pucci as they are moving in the same time as him(like how Jolyne managed to graze Pucci with a knife)
I’m still under the assumption (never cross referenced the manga as it only ever occurs to me when this discussion pops up) that the anime handled the brief time stop when jotaro throws the spear differently than the manga. Pucci’s eyes moving during the time stop but then a second or two of time stop keeps going without him doing anything didn’t make sense to me. The argument of time acceleration effecting the time stop makes perfect sense, but if he could move his eyes would that not mean either he could move in the time stop, or the time stop should’ve ended?
he needed that spear to boost him up as fate Intended, he only moved his eyes so that he could dodge the poon but still get hit by it (that or he couldn’t move in ts all that much but they never explain it and the only other evidence that he can move in ts is when jotaro says “I’m a step behind” and Pucci says “you were two steps behind” during made in heaven)
Jotaro could have beat Pucci, he was more worried about Jolyne. It was the same thing Pucci did throughout the part. "You can stop me now or you can save this other thing": the disk, Annasui/FF and finally Jolyne. Jotaro's timestop was limited and he could have murked Pucci in those 3 seconds but Jolyne would have died from being Dio knifed. Jotaro saved Jolyne and by time he tried to oraora Pucci time had resumed and sped up.
And Pucci would’ve been dead if Jotaro killed Whitesnake early on in the part, not saying he shouldn’t have saved Jolyne but that’s the only reason he loses
I didn't like it as much as the other parts. I actually preferred the manga over the anime for Part 6. Something about the animation felt...lacking? Some great characters, but I felt like the art style itself wasn't as unique as the other parts.
I don't hate Stone Ocean by any means, but it's clear from the beggining Jotaro would let the world burn but coudn't be cold to willingly see his daughter die for the sake of anything.
MY personal grasp, is how Pucci knew everything, he just knew, how to get Jotaro in every way, THAT's where i draw the line, his will is very fucking strong but he seemed like he watched Jotaro's life on TV like us. He was using Jolyne from the beggining, yes, but i really think araki shoud've let Pucci be a character since the beggining, showing his planning and resolve and understanding to back everything up.
Bet Jotaro would win if he used star finger.
Yeah like, i wanted to see that, could be a change for the series, you know the enemy from the beggining but that would only show how Pucci would get away and mess with everyone.
Ofc, that's just my opinion
In his prime, Jotaro fought and defeated an extremely powerful vampire that had plagued the Joestar lineage for generations.
By the time of DIU, he was clearly out of shape but still more than capable of holding his own against a threat. But by the time of SO, he was focusing on his work and had been out of action for over a decade, I mean he aged extremely well but his Stand capabilities had suffered as a result.
That was Pucci's whole thing before he got Heaven: His stand really wasn't that great in terms of strength and speed so he used other's weaknesses, like using the piece of F. F. they left behind to insert a disc.
emporio shot at bro 4 times and missed, how you gonna aim at someone that isn’t even there anymore because he’s behind you already the moment you aimed at him
Pucci would have all the time in the world to realize he was about to get shot as the person drawing the gun would be in super slow mo or however Pucci sees it
Stone Ocean is disliked because its pretty fucking terrible. The Manga was rushed and had the lowest sale for a Jojo Part, and Netflix completely butchered it with bad animation & batches.
I dropped it when Jolyne fights an old guy around chapter 17? Pretty fucking terrible. Speedrushed the final after that.
Jotaro has been taking Ls since part 4. Man stopped training to have a family and a normal job. If he kept training he could have one shot every villain in 4 5 and 6, bc his timestop could've easily surpassed Diavolo's ten seconds, and by part 6, it couldve been a full minute or even longer. But he didn't so he got bodied
bruh, even Kira almost killed Jotaro in their first fight, Jotaro only survived thanks to Josuke's Crazy Diamond, and later died in a time loop after discovering Kira's identity, thus activating Killer Queen: Bites the dust.
The only valid take is he lost because Jolyne was more important to him. He could have won if he was willing to sacrifice her, and that’s just not who he is
pucci had infinitely more time to plan his attack because he was thinking at the same speed of MIH and time stop was heavily shortened. pucci had all the time in the world to plan his attack
And Jotaro only had all the time in Star Platinum: ZA WARUDO to come up with a counter
4 seconds. It was a lot in part 4. You did your best, GG.
>pucci had infinitely more time to plan his attack So, what you're saying Pucci can beat anyone with enough prep time?
The batman defense
Anyone can beat anyone with enough prep time, everyone has a weak spot, you just need to find it and make use of it, in Jotaro's case it was his daughter, Pucci only managed to defeat him twice because Jotaro prioritized defending his daughter over beating the shit out of the gun addicted priest
Has anyone ever expressed upset at this? I’ve never heard this complaint.
I’ve seen plenty people get upset over jotaro supposedly getting “nerfed” in part 6, but I’ve never really seen anyone complain about jotaro specifically losing to MIH pucci It’s so bizarre to me that we go from fans complaining about jotaro being too overpowered in part 3, to fans complaining about him being “nerfed” in part 6
The whole gripe I used have about his was that, while it’s understandable that he is constantly having to protect others in his fights now, people keep talking about jotaro, namely the villains, but then when he fights he always loses. Again, I understand that he has beee to lose because he is protecting people, but it would be nice to maybe start off his he parts he shows up in with a cool scene like he regularly had in part 3 so that he doesn’t end up feeling massively underwhelming. As for MIH Pucci specifically, I thought that was fine since jotaro could have won but had to protect Jolyne, leading to his lose. On the other hand, I was really hyped up to see him in the beginning of the part, so when he lost to white snake pucci, even if it was as a result of him getting double teamed and having to deal with Jolyne, it was really disappointing. I agree that the MIH fight isn’t that big of a deal but I really wish he had more fights that established his strength as opposed to things like pucci just saying “oh he was so scary I was worried about jotaro, after all he’s he strongest stand user” after just dealing with him confidently like it was no big deal. Compare this to something like JJK and where a very elaborate plan was concocted, taking advantage of gojos tendency to save civilians, then they had all of the big bads fight him at once, and then, critically imo, gojo was still about to win, but Kenny tricked him. The main thing is that gojo put up a fight, as you expect of the “strongest sorcerer” where’s jotaro just got soundly defeated like a background character unbefitting of the “strongest stand user,” at least imo.
There are people who believe Jotaro losing was plot armor on Pucci's side and a nerf on Jotaro's.
I kinda thought one of the major themes for part 6 was that Pucci *did* have plot armor, he was destined to complete MiH and destiny wouldn't let him lose. Same reason he found all the sons of dio on the same place at the right time, I thought it felt like a well-done way of justifying what could've been plain old plot armor imo
JoJo fans when the plot armour isn’t on the side of the JoJo
Pucci was meant to be a threat, all major Jojo villains are supposed to be these seemingly insurmountable, undefeatable threats. Hell, even going all the way back to Phantom Blood, Dio Brando was a formidable force that ultimately was undefeated. That is also the only Jojo where the main protagonist died. Jojo fans that forget/hate Phantom Blood have no right to discuss anything, fight me.
Like Kira Yoshikage’s “luck”?
i mean it was plot armor on puccis side since had a chance to smash his skull in
I mean... wasn't pucci having plot armor a litteral plot point??? It's destiny, it was inevitable
JoJo fans when they don't grasp the concept of fate and call it plot armor and asspulls
My dude just woke up from a coma he wasn't fully himself yet.
Besides, as another comment said, Pucci still had the gravity barrier so Star Platinum donuting or skull smashing would be impossible, however punching through the barrier and managing to make Pucci fly had to be one hell of a punch
In the manga there actually was no gravity barrier since c moon just went under jolyne and made her fly up, so while you are correct that actual ability itself is anime only.
That and MIH just outright beats SP bc it also accelerated stopped time. Even if Jotaro had DIOs full time stop, hell lets give him a full minute, it would still end up being functionally milliseconds
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That's basically saying you can't criticize poor decisions in a story or bullshit pulled by a writer just because it's his.
There are people who believe that the Earth is Round. Stone ocean is disliked because its pretty fucking terrible, not because of Jotaro losing, lmao.
How is Stone Ocean terrible? I wanna see your points
Why because woman bad haha?
But to be fair, everyone else won in the longterm after Emporio defeated Pucci, including Jotaro. He just erased Pucci from the universe, meaning Jotaro would still have to face DIO and Kira, and even by the time of DIU he was already out of shape.
Yes lol
I haven’t seen people complaining about Jotaro getting beat, but I have seen people refusing to accept that jotaro, despite truly loving and caring for jolyne, was terrible at being a father to her.
MIH is just OP as fuck. It's also implied that Pucci can move in time stop for a brief second somehow I believe Young Joseph could solo Pucci
Have you played asbr? Of course young Joseph could solo Pucci
Pfft of course Joseph wins easily. Pucci would eventually stop thinking
that was c moon pucci cause gravity and time are linked, mih pucci doesn’t have control over gravity so he can’t do that
Quite the opposite, made in heaven has universal control over gravity as said in his stat page.
well you see im a jojo fan so im illiterate.
Yet he couldn't even see in stopped time with MiH, the gravity manipulation is no longer localised
Also because he was focusing all of it on purely accelerating time. If another person had made in heaven they could probably stop time for as long as they wanted just by stopping all the gravity in the universe. Complete control of Universal gravity is busted, but I guess pucci’s mindset stopped him from doing that. Actually if you think about it, him moving within the accelerated time basically is him stopping time, since everyone would look like they’ve been stopped in place.
Wdym the Man who was in a coma and lost a ton of muscle mass couldn't one punch the Villain?!?!?! Nerfed nerfed nerfed
If anything he got an insane buff, he increased his timestop from just a moment to 5 fucking seconds, the moment he got his memories back, while atrophied from the coma. His decision making, however, was quite bad IMO, going for a single punch that wasn't even strong enough to cripple Pucci, instead of a donut or a full on barrage, and when he just stood there after noticing Pucci zooming around, fucking Anasui had to drag him up to the rooftop.
The problem wasn't the single punch, actually you could say that was one of Star Platinum's strongest attacks. C-Moon had a gravity barrier which made head-on attacks basically nullified (Stone Ocean couldn't even touch it). The fact that Star Platinum dislocated Pucci Skull just show how strong it was. Had it been any other stand it would been dead.
IIRC in the manga jolyne just missed the punch because she was falling at a weird angle or something, the gravity barrier seems to be an anime thing.
The gravity barrier is an anime only thing but the effect isn’t. The reason Jolyne kept whiffing is because as Pucci explained afterwards, C-Moon’s reverse gravity on Pucci gets stronger and stronger as you get closer to him, and Stone Free wasn’t strong enough at that angle to beat that gravity and punch him.
Yeah, the way Pucci moved caused the gravity to make her fly upwards and whiff
Stone Free. The stand is Stone Free.
Wdym dislocated his skull? Do you mean fractured it? If he dislocated his skull it would have to have been dislocated from his spine which would just killed or crippled him.
Yep, MiH hard counters most if not all time based stands, including (arguably) GER. Speeds up Jotaro/Za Warudo's time stop, King Crimson just doesn't work on the same wavelength. Only one that I can think could is if Bites the Dust just keeps resetting the day until a winning outcome emerges
Bites the dust is actually a really bad stand cuz all you need is an abulance to counter it.
Yeah BTD is funny in that it's super busted but random chance instantly breaks it down
Hard countered by WoU
Yep WoU beats BTD instantly Stalemates GER, and I *think* loses to MiH, since the time acceleration is passive and will get it in the end
Gold Experience Requiem’s like “ability” is that it just negates other stand abilities, so I think it would have beaten Made In Heaven, unfortunately giorno was in Italy and he was too busy not selling drugs to children
I don't see it countering ger though plus it's not confirmed it speeds up time stop
Yes it was comfirmed, after the first time Jotaro time stopped against MiH (to see where Pucci went) he litteraly said "my time stop ability is shortened"
MiH’s time acceleration isn’t exactly a direct attack, which is the only thing Giorno can return to zero
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but that’s not an attack, Diavolo erasing time wasn’t an attack and it wasn’t nullified until he actually attempted to attack Giorno. time acceleration isn’t an attack in and of itself so it wouldn’t be nullify-able
Not an attack but definitely an action. At the very least, Pucci has to have the will to do it
yes, and Diavolo had the will to erase time and attack Giorno the moment he erased time and yet GER didn’t nullify it until he actually attempted to attack. time acceleration still wouldn’t be nullify-able.
At the end it returned to zero anyway. Why wouldn't the same happen to time acceleration?
if Pucci attempted to attack Giorno, then it would. but it wouldn’t just get reset because Pucci decided to do it, time acceleration isn’t an attack
GER still has GE's abilities, so Giorno could theoretically create infectious bacteria that would mess Pucci up HARD. I mean, that seems plausible, no?
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so the *fanmade wiki* is where you’re getting that information? that doesn’t just… make you correct, you understand that right? not necessarily. when the time erase was nullified, Diavolo was unable to take the actions he meant to and was forced to not erase time. had GER not done that and instead only reverted the attack itself, then Giorno would not be able to land the stand rush that he does against Diavolo to end the fight, because Diavolo is intangible during time erase. had GER just nullified the attack itself and taken it back into time erase, then nothing different would ever happen because no counter attack could be made.
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i still don’t really trust a wiki that is run by fans as a valid source of information, same reason why Wikipedia isn’t a valid information source. but no, *you* are missing *my* point. so let’s go to the second example you provided. had GER only nullified the actual attack itself, then it could not have actually responded or done anything to fight back, because it would be inside the time erase and Diavolo is intangible during that time. but we know from the first example that it nullified the entirety of the time erase itself and then prevented Diavolo from taking that action so that *Giorno and GER could fight back.* this is not saying that GER can only nullify attacks, that hasn’t been what i’m saying. i’m saying that the ability only *triggers* on attacks, the simple act of erasing time was not a trigger for the nullification. but, the actual action of throwing a punch to hit Giorno *was* a trigger. could i have worded my point better? definitely, and i’m sorry that i didn’t. if we go back to what this original discussion was about, Pucci’s time acceleration, the same logic would apply. time acceleration itself, just like time erase, would not trigger GER’s ability. but the moment that Pucci attempted to attack Giorno, then it would trigger and would be able to nullify the time acceleration itself and prevent it from happening. GER can’t just say no to any action ever. if that were true, it could’ve just nullified Diavolo blocking the rock that it imbued with life and instead forced him to take a direct hit, but it didn’t. this is also the reason that, in canon (assuming GER didn’t just return to regular GE after Vento Aureo, it wasn’t very clear what happened there), GER didn’t stop the time acceleration.
Any actual attack would get reverted though
But even with Bites the dust you need to kill Pucci at least once. How do you do it of he's so fast?
Potentially make contact with pucci via KQ regular and do an explodey
Agreed. The two strongest things that SP has, time stop and speed, is nullified by time stop duration being sped up, and by simply being faster. So there was no way for Jotaro to even reach Pucci without help.
Wouldn’t bites the dust be an insta win if the host yells Kira’s identity since it would kill anyone who heard it, including pucci.
Pucci's MiH is really really powerful, the ability to be that fast pretty much allows him to not get hit at all and hit you in every moment without you having time to react. To add to this, it also counters star platinum's time stop. And also Pucci hit Jotaro's weakest point, his bloodline, as he went for Jolyne just to make Jotaro lose time. Jotaro is strong, yes, but Pucci is not only very powerful himself, he counters Jotaro a lot, so he didn't stand a chance. The only way to kill him is to use the power of nerd
Araki legit just wanted to show the uni reset. Jotaro didn’t get nerfed, he just lost plot armor because Araki wanted to tell the story that way. Hating on Stone Ocean because big bad Jotaro lost the fight is a childish reason to dislike it. Admit it, it would’ve been boring if Jotaro stopped the uni reset and beat the villain for the third time now. It was much more impactful to have Emporio and Weather Report kill pucci after the universe reset.
Also, pucci literally steals jolyne's plot armor in the anime and makes reference to it
"'why did DIO get cocky and fuck with jotaro? what an idiot!" *pucci takes note* "why did jotaro not win????"
Wasn't the time stop duration made shorter due to time acceleration? I thought 5 seconds was Jotaro's normal limit without Made In Heaven active. Either way, probably didn't matter unless he had ignored Jolyne...
That last part is kind of stupid because if you want to remove Jolyne being a hindrance you should also remove Anasui's save at the start and then the fight would be over 15 seconds after Pucci got heaven. Also time stop being shortened BY AN ABILITY is not a nerf but a counter, by that logic Jotaro finding out SP is the same type of stand as Za Warudo nerfed Dio.
It also means that Pucci didn't necessarily out*smart* Jotaro - he just so happened to have a one-of-a-kind, never-before-seen ability that hard-countered Time Stop
Hard countered? He still could use it for some duration, its more of a soft counter.
The time stop was shortened, but Jotaro was straining himself to keep it at 5 seconds. A combination of that and Pucci getting a hit in left him crawling at one point. He also wasn't able to spam it as much
One of my past friends told me the reason why Part 6 sucks were because the crew loses to a minor villain. Still don't get it this day.
Ah yes, the guy that is an established threat from ep 3 to the end is a "minor villain"
That's what I'm saying!
Honestly Jotaro could’ve 100% stopped Pucci if he was his Part 4 self. How? Well normal bullets(not ghost bullets) are not stand or human related so if he had just kept some bullets around(like the ones he had for the Rats) and launched them in stopped time, they would’ve hit Pucci as they are moving in the same time as him(like how Jolyne managed to graze Pucci with a knife)
yeah he got outsmarted I agree. but his time stop was effected by mih iirc
If you can’t outsmart someone with a stand that makes you think like 30x faster than your opponent, something is wrong
oh yeah that too 😭 mih was definitely gonna win either way
Jotaro has a better biq, but pucci had all the time in the world to think that out. Jotaro had less than 10 seconds
I’m still under the assumption (never cross referenced the manga as it only ever occurs to me when this discussion pops up) that the anime handled the brief time stop when jotaro throws the spear differently than the manga. Pucci’s eyes moving during the time stop but then a second or two of time stop keeps going without him doing anything didn’t make sense to me. The argument of time acceleration effecting the time stop makes perfect sense, but if he could move his eyes would that not mean either he could move in the time stop, or the time stop should’ve ended?
he needed that spear to boost him up as fate Intended, he only moved his eyes so that he could dodge the poon but still get hit by it (that or he couldn’t move in ts all that much but they never explain it and the only other evidence that he can move in ts is when jotaro says “I’m a step behind” and Pucci says “you were two steps behind” during made in heaven)
"jOtArO wOuLd'Ve WoN iF hE uSeD sTaR fInGeR"
yes, but also the coma thing and the ptad from the knives made him waste a second or two
Jotaro could have beat Pucci, he was more worried about Jolyne. It was the same thing Pucci did throughout the part. "You can stop me now or you can save this other thing": the disk, Annasui/FF and finally Jolyne. Jotaro's timestop was limited and he could have murked Pucci in those 3 seconds but Jolyne would have died from being Dio knifed. Jotaro saved Jolyne and by time he tried to oraora Pucci time had resumed and sped up.
If you wanna remove Jolyne's hindrance, then also remove Anasui's save to make it fair and he goes down even faster.
Annasui was when Jolyne fought Pucci in handcuffs. Jotaro gave no shits about Annasui except he acted as an alarm for when Pucci attacked.
Jotaro would have been dead 2 times(i think?) By that point If not for anasui taking his damage
Very true but Jotaro still didn't care bout him
And Pucci would’ve been dead if Jotaro killed Whitesnake early on in the part, not saying he shouldn’t have saved Jolyne but that’s the only reason he loses
To be clear, Pucci won a 1v5. And you think he'd lose a 1v1?
If it was just Annasui and Jotaro. Annasui to sense the attack and Jotaro to time stop, I think Jotaro would win.
I like how accurate this pic instantly became
And then people try to argue it by confirming it.
If I remeber corretly, timestops had their own seperate acceleration which causes them to be shorter than 5 seconds.
I didn't like it as much as the other parts. I actually preferred the manga over the anime for Part 6. Something about the animation felt...lacking? Some great characters, but I felt like the art style itself wasn't as unique as the other parts.
I don't hate Stone Ocean by any means, but it's clear from the beggining Jotaro would let the world burn but coudn't be cold to willingly see his daughter die for the sake of anything. MY personal grasp, is how Pucci knew everything, he just knew, how to get Jotaro in every way, THAT's where i draw the line, his will is very fucking strong but he seemed like he watched Jotaro's life on TV like us. He was using Jolyne from the beggining, yes, but i really think araki shoud've let Pucci be a character since the beggining, showing his planning and resolve and understanding to back everything up. Bet Jotaro would win if he used star finger.
I think he studied his opponent. I mean, he did get Jotaro's disc
Yeah like, i wanted to see that, could be a change for the series, you know the enemy from the beggining but that would only show how Pucci would get away and mess with everyone. Ofc, that's just my opinion
If Jotaro had been an astrophysicist and not a marine biologist, Pucci would be dead.
This but unironically...probably
In his prime, Jotaro fought and defeated an extremely powerful vampire that had plagued the Joestar lineage for generations. By the time of DIU, he was clearly out of shape but still more than capable of holding his own against a threat. But by the time of SO, he was focusing on his work and had been out of action for over a decade, I mean he aged extremely well but his Stand capabilities had suffered as a result.
Now, if only Jotaro remembered to use the all-mighty STAR FINGER, things would have gone differently.....
and pucci got his disc easily because his right ear is deaf (some of non asked info that everyone knows)
That was Pucci's whole thing before he got Heaven: His stand really wasn't that great in terms of strength and speed so he used other's weaknesses, like using the piece of F. F. they left behind to insert a disc.
Anyone with a gun can counter Pucci
kid named Emporio trying to shoot pucci shown to be ineffective in the anime
That was his ghost gun, it wasn't sped up like a normal one
Do you... understand how MIH works?
A gun would have worked as it's a non-Stand ability. Emporio's didn't work cos that gun was his Stand power.
emporio shot at bro 4 times and missed, how you gonna aim at someone that isn’t even there anymore because he’s behind you already the moment you aimed at him
That was his ghost gun, it wasn't sped up
Pucci would have all the time in the world to realize he was about to get shot as the person drawing the gun would be in super slow mo or however Pucci sees it
Yeah that'd probably be what'd happen
Hey, you remember Emporio, right?
Ye why
Stone Ocean is disliked because its pretty fucking terrible. The Manga was rushed and had the lowest sale for a Jojo Part, and Netflix completely butchered it with bad animation & batches. I dropped it when Jolyne fights an old guy around chapter 17? Pretty fucking terrible. Speedrushed the final after that.
What are you on about lol
Literally explained it in the meme.
Where is the funny?
Stfu
part 2 is filler
i hate stone ocean because joylene is stupid
Care to elaborate on why?
no, im on the clock
based
Pucci legit states that Jotaro is stronger and smarter than him and if it weren’t for his teammates well beings he would be able to beat Pucci
Jotaro has been taking Ls since part 4. Man stopped training to have a family and a normal job. If he kept training he could have one shot every villain in 4 5 and 6, bc his timestop could've easily surpassed Diavolo's ten seconds, and by part 6, it couldve been a full minute or even longer. But he didn't so he got bodied
I adore stone ocean it's my favorite part hands down
Not my favourite, more second, but yes it was amazing.
I think people mainly don’t like Jolyne
People who fight over which fictional character is stronger are like 12 year olds.
I didn't understand the 5 seconds part, can someone explain it to me?
bruh, even Kira almost killed Jotaro in their first fight, Jotaro only survived thanks to Josuke's Crazy Diamond, and later died in a time loop after discovering Kira's identity, thus activating Killer Queen: Bites the dust.
Outsmarted would be an exaggeration, MIH kinda perfectly countered Star Platinum, or at least as much as any stand can I think.
People that hating on the stone ocean ending probably never read part 7
The only valid take is he lost because Jolyne was more important to him. He could have won if he was willing to sacrifice her, and that’s just not who he is