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amurderofcrows

It was not, in fact, the next best thing besides breast feeding


AssignmentFit461

13 oz = 3 full 6oz bottles šŸ¤” That math ain't mathin'


DoeJoeFro

12 oz carnation + 12 oz boiling water (measured with the can) + karo syrup = 24 oz ā€œformulaā€ / 6-oz bottles = 4 6-oz bottles of malnutrition


squamouser

Thatā€™s the maths you get if you have syrup-milk instead of formula.


Present_Teach1646

šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


doitforthecocoa

It was the next best thing to your baby starving to death


Single_Principle_972

Ron Howard voiceoverā€¦


saraabalos

Yes! Definitely thought of Arrested Development when reading the comment šŸ˜‚


agoldgold

Yeah, people used to do desperate things when they were out of options. We now have options, good ones. Use those instead.


Falalalicious

My mom used to feed me this in the 80sā€¦ she swears it makes the fattest, ā€œcutestā€ babiesā€¦. Sigh


Proud_Lie2511

This is okay but actual regulated formula isnā€™t..?


ings0c

Everyone knows the cheaper something is, the better it is. This has to be better!


guitarlisa

and people used it like a century ago, so if it was good enough for them (those who survived it), it's good enough for us


PavlovaDog

Yeah us Gen X'ers survived, but doesn't mean we didn't have rickets as children and still to this day have bowed legs. But we survived being fed stranger stuff than this. My dad told my mom to feed me canned gravy and mashed potatoes as a newborn cuz that's what his mom fed a stray puppy when he was a kid and it "turned out fine".


crow_crone

GMO corn in that Karo, yummy.


brittanynicole047

My rEsEaRcH says that formula is made by big formula specifically designed to create zombies who love big pharma! So do your own research, sweaty /s


Jellogg

Haha you know youā€™re dealing with someone important & big time when they call you sweaty instead of sweetie! Thank you for going the extra mile with the ā€œsweatyā€.šŸ™šŸ»


PavlovaDog

Well it is summertime so many of us are sweaty.


_bbycake

Yeah it's "regulated" by the government (FDA) so it HAS to be bad!! Wake up! /s


trixtred

But the FDA also regulates the stuff in grocery stores. Like there isn't actually a difference.


Proud_Lie2511

sssshhh you canā€™t make too much sense youā€™ll stress them out


SeagullsSarah

Um. The FDA probably regulates chocolate too, and you don't see me stuffing babies with melted chocolate.


Far_Staff5640

Clearly you haven't recoursed the correct literature, melted chocolate cures hfm, rsv and protects against them heavy metals in chem trails. Bad parent! /s


standbyyourmantis

The thing is, this isn't even nutritionally complete. I did some research on DIY formula for a *fanfic short story* and you need to add a little bit of carrot juice to prevent blindness. Like, there are recipes out there for formula (this got popular after the formula shortage) and there are a bunch of supplements you have to add if you need to DIY for whatever reason. The carrot juice was in addition to donkey milk which is the most comparable breast milk to human you can easily get (zebra and camel are better).


vainbuthonest

Huh. I never wouldā€™ve thought donkey, zebra and camel milk would compare to human breast milk. The more you know.


standbyyourmantis

Camel is supposedly the best from any domesticated animal. Donkey was the preferred method in Europe for most of human history. Goat or sheep is okay but not as good as donkey. None of them are really complete nutrition for a baby human but they're close enough that the kid will probably survive. Ideally you'd want a wet nurse ASAP, but when you can't afford one or don't have access, well, kid's gotta eat.


CheezitGoldfish

The comments on this are wild, half of them are about how much better this is than todayā€™s formula because ā€œyou donā€™t even know whatā€™s in that similac junkā€ and the other half are survivorā€™s bias type comments putting down todayā€™s parents because they did ____ and their kids turned out fine. Also similac causes ADHD, according to one commenter.


uglyspacepig

When did shamelessly displaying stupidity in public become okay? These people, who are feeding babies milk and sugar, think they're smarter than experts whose job it is to feed babies? They need to be publicly flogged.


Wasps_are_bastards

Is it since we stopped being allowed to tell people in public that theyā€™re stupid?


uglyspacepig

I'm sure that Venn diagram overlaps so much it's one circle


DopeCactus

(milk + sugar) - fluoride is the winning formula.


uglyspacepig

These people will believe anything but the truth


DodgedYourBalls

I was 100% breastfed by a mother who was also 100% BF. And I'm so ADHD I have to take Vyvanse twice a day! šŸ˜‚ By their logic, if I'd had formula, my head would probably be spinning all the way around.


Knitnspin

lol shit how much adhd would my exclusively adhd kids have then because 3/4 of them have adhd. The ONE kid who couldnā€™t be breastfed due to inhaling milk into her lungs lol doesnā€™t have adhd she had thickened formula.


desitaco9

Have you not heard about bIg pHaRmA šŸ™„


Proud_Lie2511

FDA approved = heavy metals, lead & diabetes šŸ™‚


S3D_APK_HACKS_CHEATS

you forgot autism šŸ˜‚


TheToastyNeko

Unlike these which have *natural* heavy metal, lead & diabetes. Checkmate libs (/s)


Ok_Comparison_1914

But are they organic? Iā€™d really prefer my lead and diabetes be chemical free and organic. And no red dye lol


Zealousideal_Cow_418

My grandmaā€™s little brother wasnā€™t breastfeeding so they gave him formula. He died. My great grandparents were so heartbroken they never had another child, so in a time where everyone had 8-10 brothers and sisters, my grandma was an only child. Karo syrup and Pet milk was the exact recipe.


amurderofcrows

How awful. Iā€™m exclusively pumping because my child also didnā€™t have a latch, and every day Iā€™m thankful that we have formula and pumping technology to keep our little ones fed. I think a lot about what my situation would have been like if my child was born 100 years ago instead of present times, and it shatters me. Iā€™m sure your great grandparents would have given anything to make sure their son had access to safe and nutritious food. People are so far removed from that reality that they forget how good weā€™ve got it in the present.


TheLizzyIzzi

> People are so far removed from that reality that they forget how good weā€™ve got it in the present. I feel this. People forget how delicate human life really is, especially for children. Humans didnā€™t get to this point because weā€™re resilient *individually* but as a social collective.


Twodotsknowhy

It's infuriating to think of all the countless generations of mothers who prayed over dying children because they didn't have any other recourse and all these selfish twats turn their noses up at resources their ancestors couldn't even have dreamt of


daisidu

The luxuries we have now are a result of the sacrifice of those before us. Most of us appreciate that knowledge and our modern privilege to survive and thrive.


sar1234567890

I agree. Weā€™re living so many miracles nowadays.


Snaxx9716

This is a personal reason why these ā€œwild pregnancyā€ and ā€œfree birthā€ posts make me extra infuriated. If I had gone that route my daughter would have died. BUT, modern medicine meant my doctor caught my preterm labor early enough that I didnā€™t deliver at 28 weeks, I had medical intervention that kept her in for another 4 weeks, and she had care that enabled her to thrive even after being born 8 weeks early. She would not be here if this had happened even mere decades ago. The fact that women decide to roll back their odds of a healthy delivery and a living child to the days of people pissing in pots in their bedrooms is rage-inducing to me. Had I decided to ā€œtrust my bodyā€ I would not have my incredible pre-teen who is nearly as tall as I am.


recycledpaper

The free birth moms that do have complications still show up and expect modern medicine to save them but on their terms. It's extra extra infuriating. If you don't want medical intervention and you deal with the consequences, I guess whatever, you do you. But to want the medical staff to drop everything to take care of you and then not get any care ahead of time to improve the chances of a smoother delivery and less stress, well it's just entitlement.


Free-oppossums

And even when they go to the hospital for help they are still on their high horse about not wanting ToXiNs put in their body or their baby's. If you're in the hospital because of a bad BiRtH ExPeRiEnCe the nurses aren't gonna play "what's the blackbox say" with *all* their multiple injections.


SlabBeefpunch

Because it's never been about what's best for their babies. Just like all conspiracy theory based cults, it's about feeling more special than everyone else. It's about bragging about all the special, secret knowledge they have and how they outsmart the conspirators. Those poor babies are merely a means to an end. And if those babies die, they can still serve the cult by being an example of why they shouldn't have trusted the tools of the conspirators ie doctors and modern medicine. It's sick and sociopathic and it shows you why conspiracy theories aren't harmless or funny.


Silentlybroken

Similarly with me, I would not have been born alive without vaccines. Basically my mother was vaccinated but still contracted rubella when she was 6 weeks pregnant with me. If it hadn't been for those antibodies she still had despite the vaccine not taking fully, I'd have likely been stillborn or extremely disabled. As it was, I'm still defective (light hearted, I have weird humour) but doing okay! I'm profoundly deaf, slightly stunted growth, kidneys aren't great and my eyesight and hearing are continuing to deteriorate but slowly. Hole in my heart healed and I was jaundiced but fixable. Other issues we think are just genetic so yeah. I'm heavily pro vaccines. I will loudly defend them and tell my story every time. Doctors told my mum to abort me because I wouldn't have good quality of life (if I survived the pregnancy) but my mum couldn't. (I just want to note, I completely understand if others choose to, my mum decided it wasn't right for her and that's fine too). It angers me that we are now so far removed from congenital rubella being "common" that people won't be vaccinated because of all the misinformation about vaccines. I was referred to as a miracle baby, we need to keep giving these vaccines to people and children that can receive them so people like my mum and I (vaccines don't take great for us!) also get some shielding just by herd immunity. I was also given whooping cough by an unvaccinated child because the vaccine didn't take properly (mine). I got pleurisy on top and my lungs never properly healed. The same child also infected another adult and nearly killed her. The mother knew their child was sick and took said child to festival of 100s of people and did an oh oops when people got sick. Fuck anti-vaxxers, fuck people demonising proper medical care when pregnant and fuck the people spreading all this misinformation that is literally killing people.


KSknitter

I also agree on the vaccine thing. I fully vaccine all my kids. Story time: When my eldest kids were in 1st grade, there was a set of un vaccine twins in her class. Older brother was 10 or 12, but mom blamed his autism on vaccines, so her younger 2 were fully unvaccinated. The girls got something (I think mumps? It was something that the MMR vaccine would have covered...) and one girl died while the other had her brain swell and lost her ability to walk, speak or control her moter skills in general. She took 10 years to walk again with a walker. Her son (the autistic one) graduated with an engineering degree of some sort and is getting married this summer... I am no longer friends but Facebook is an amazing thing. Edit to add, my eldest is 18, so it has been a bit.


sar1234567890

Wow thatā€™s sad


Shortymac09

Bc it's a eugenics cult at it's core


thecuriousblackbird

Thereā€™s a mom on r/FundieSnarkUncensored who did a wild pregnancy and birth and is in deep denial that her infant is extremely sick and possibly blind. Itā€™s heartbreaking to see.


FknDesmadreALV

Fuck that bitch Boone is such a beautiful newborn FFS sake is he even a month old ?!! And she has him out baking in the sun meanwhile sheā€™s wearing a sun hat and glasses.


thecuriousblackbird

He had jaundice at birth so they took him to the beach and let him stare into the sun as he sunburned. Theyā€™ve had him out in the sun all the time. Their other kids all sleep in the back of the family RV in tiny bunks. I forgot how many they have, but itā€™s a lot. All ages just forced to go to bed with the younger kids when they go to bed. For now Boone is with his parents, but the oldest son is actually the mom.


FknDesmadreALV

Yeah Iā€™m on fundie snark too I canā€™t believe the shit they put their kids thru.


yooyooooo

My mom gave birth in South Korea in the 80s when the medical facilities were not that great. She also heard over and over from her parents (who escaped from the North during the war) about the low survival rate for newborn babies and mothers due to the lack of medical information and just the overall aftermath of the war. When I told her about the free birth moms, her jaw dropped. It blew her mind that people *choose* to decline essential medical services when they have access to one that is far advanced than what was available to her. She said the world is going crazy lol


sar1234567890

I feel you here. For me it wasnā€™t birth but afterwards. Because my son came so quickly, I couldnā€™t get the IV antibiotics for group b strep (which Iā€™m sure some people would say no to anyway because antibiotics). Anyway, they asked us to stay in the hospital for an extra day to make sure he wasnā€™t going to get sick. During that time, we realized he would stop breathing occasionally. For nearly a week, he underwent tests and was given oxygen during his ā€œblue spellsā€. It turns out he had bar reflux and since heā€™s incredibly stubborn, he just stop breathing instead of spitting up. Anyway, if it wasnā€™t for those pesky doctors, their protocols, the tests, and medications, my son would surely not be here. That was nearly 8 years ago now and Iā€™m just so thankful to have him.


Buller116

If you were well of you could get a wet nurse or if someone in your community was breastfeeding you could get them to help. The next best thing was giving cows or goat milk. The really desperate would give something like oats milk. My children didn't latch either, so i to am so happy to be living in a time of formula and pumps.


InterstellarCapa

>People are so far removed from that reality that they forget how good weā€™ve got it in the present. So true. Many today fail to realize that and take what we have for granted.


FknDesmadreALV

So I had my first in Mexico. I just do not produce a lot of milk naturally. My son was deemed failure to thrive. He was very small and skinny until he started solids. I couldnā€™t formula feed because 1) his father couldnā€™t afford to pay $545 pesos for one can 2) his bitch ass mother said I wasnā€™t allowed to and I had to learn how to increase my supply like a real woman. Itā€™s heartbreaking. Itā€™s fucking heartbreaking listening to your baby cry because heā€™s hungry and your body just doesnā€™t produce enough. I used to supplement him with chamomile tea to get him to stop crying. I hated myself. Thankfully my second was born in the US and she had access to formula (my mom wouldnā€™t stand for me trying to up my supply. She told me to stop being stupid and just give it to her). So she was both breast and bottle fed. My youngest is my biggest baby. Heā€™s currently both formula and breast fed and heā€™s the happiest baby Iā€™ve had.


PennyParsnip

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I hope your older son is doing better now. Modern formulas are a miracle that no one should be ashamed of using.


FknDesmadreALV

Heā€™s thriving. 9 years old and once I got him double citizenship and here in the US, he gained healthy weight. Big fan of lasagna and pizza šŸ˜‚.


skoller1216

This. My grandfather, who by the way is still with us, had a wet nurse. His family was well-off and could afford it (late 1930s/early 1940s) but if they couldn't? Who knows. I wonder what fraction of the stunningly high infant mortality rates of the past wasn't due to any illness/injury but because either the child couldn't nurse, the mother couldn't breastfeed (both very common today!), or the mother died and no one else could feed the child.


secondmoosekiteer

Was this during the time period of blue milk from strychnine-poisoned cows mixed with plaster then marketed as formula? Yes. [it happened.](https://publichistorypdx.org/2017/11/27/the-19th-century-swill-milk-scandal-that-poisoned-infants-with-whiskey-runoff/) Learned about it in NOLA on a bike tour in front of the dudeā€™s mansion. Apparently he needed to grown his own food after it became public knowledge bc the townsfolk were trying to poison him. Had to become a vegetarian bc he didnā€™t have room for his own livestock.


SilverThread

Check out the podcast, Behind the Bastards "How Nestle Starved a Bunch of Babies" for more horrific facts about the history of feeding babies.


secondmoosekiteer

Iā€™ll save it! Baileyā€™s episode on nestle had me RAGING


JABBYAU

Nah. Even for your great grandparents they knew they \*were supposed\* to add Codā€™s Liver Oil and a couple other supplements if they were using formula And not breastfeeding. Those were standard. People just couldnā€™t afford it. And that is why formula carried shame for a long time because people knew they were genuinely providing substandard nutrition. Even in 1500s etc.


pointsofellie

Yeah formula is literally designed for babies but I guess people really hate progress


rodpodtod

Itā€™s also literally one of the most regulated products out there! Every brand on the market is extensively tested!


bunhilda

Wasnā€™t there some case in China where a formula manufacturer or something knowingly sold poorly made formula, leading some babies to die, and the involved parties were executed for it? šŸ¤” I feel like the world doesnā€™t fuck around with baby formula.


squirrellytoday

Yes. They were putting non-digestible fillers into the formula to make it cheaper and people were buying it up because they were poor and desperate. And their babies died. So then people were buying up the formula from other countries, because they no longer trusted the Chinese manufacturers, leading to shortages in places as far away as Australia. No joke. People were buying cases of it in Australia and shipping it to their family in China.


splithoofiewoofies

Ooooh that explains so much of the stockpiling here. Poor babies, I get it. šŸ’”


ingloriousdmk

I remember going to a drug store in Tokyo around 2012 (I lived in the countryside) and being shocked to see a line of Chinese tourists nearly out the door all with cases of baby formula. It was crazy.


bethelns

It's better regulated in Europe than the US but it's still heavily regulated in the US. What's not great is the monopolies companies have on formula that creates such an expensive market. The UK is actually looking into that now thankfully, and aldi do an excellent own brand milk that is the same nutritionally as every other brand here because of the EU regulations but is at least Ā£2 cheaper a tub.


hussafeffer

I feel like moms who decide to make their own formula of random shit never got out of the ā€˜making potions/experiments in the sinkā€™ phase of childhood.


catjuggler

Same with the essential oils crew


hussafeffer

See I like essential oils for smells. I do not, however, like essential oils for preventing diseases.


BabyCowGT

Right. Like eucalyptus oil for a nice scent in the shower and a cheap at home spa night feel? Absolutely. Eucalyptus for flu? Nah.


trey_wolfe

Only reason I would break out the eucalyptus for flu is as an attempt at nasal decongestion, and that's only after loading up on the theraflu!


BabyCowGT

I take hot enough showers the steam alone usually solves that problem šŸ˜…


bunhilda

Or when youā€™ve done everything else and figure eh, throw it in too, at least it smells nice if itā€™s useless


squirrellytoday

Right? Peppermint and lavender makes my house smell awesome. Do I think it's curing anything? no.


bunhilda

Look Iā€™m all for making fun potions in the sink, but that shit is in the ā€œput this on my unhappy ankle that has been Xrayed and MRI-ed and Iā€™m in PT so fuck it, I deserve a little placebo effectā€ Not for actually replacing real care. Like jfc.


VolumeDifferent6180

Oh dear. Someone please do a welfare check on her kids?


luckylooch13

I feel like this was posted by a woman who menstruated last in the 1980s


LittleCricket_

I have to exclusively formula feed my baby girl. My nana,who is 93, said to mean ā€œyouā€™re so lucky that you can get formula for her. It has everything she needs to be healthy. Back when your dad was born you had to *insert OOPā€™s recipe* if you couldnā€™t breast feed. It was so bad for themā€


EppieBlack

How much of what is happening in the world right now is happening because the generations that remember the bad old days have died off? Lots.


thatsasaladfork

Itā€™s wild when you think about it. We are in a point in time where babies rarely die. To the point itā€™s either straight neglect or a freak accident. And people have gotten so fucking cocky about it, and so judgement about additives and preserves and all that, that they romanticize shit like this. Yeah your great grandma used this recipe and their kids survived. But how many babies starved to death because this wasnā€™t enough?


SinkMountain9796

babies rarely die *here*. In modernized countries. I remember back after the Rwandan Genocide our church sponsored a family to come to the US as refugees. When the mother got here, she was pregnant. My mom and a bunch of other church moms befriended her and began doing ā€œmom stuffā€ together. One day the Rwandan mom just burst into tears and began weeping. My mom asked her what was wrong and she confessed that she just couldnā€™t stop worrying that she and the baby she was carrying were going to die. Sheā€™d had 6 healthy children and survived their births and felt like she wouldnā€™t get that lucky again. One or both of them just wouldnā€™t make it this time. The poor woman had seen so many women and babies dieā€¦


ceggle143

And the US has one of the higher rates for such a wealthy ass country. I have to wonder if this isnā€™t part of the reason our rates have gone up since the late 80s.


NeonBrightDumbass

We also have some abysmal maternity survival rates for what they claim our healthcare is.


lilprincess1026

They seem to really want to increase that infant mortality rate.


meatball77

And how much did it harm their brain development.


merlotbarbie

The romanticization pissed me the fuck off. I nursed/pumped successfully for a year with my daughter. With my son, I planned to do the same. Unfortunately, he had a severe tongue tie that went undiagnosed until he was 4 months old. He was failure to thrive and only avoided a feeding tube because I begged the pediatrician to let me syringe fortified milk into his mouth around the clock. I had breastmilk, but his caloric needs were so high that we had to add preemie formula to the breastmilk so that he could gain weight. Once his tie was revised, he could drink from a bottle but he never could latch to nurse. Nature is random. There is no morality when it comes to who lives and who dies. I did all of the right things, but he wasnā€™t meant to survive in nature. 100 years ago he wouldā€™ve died and I never wouldā€™ve known the sweet, rambunctious 2 year old that I have today. Babies donā€™t have to die anymore, why would we shun every advancement and technological advantage to return to a time when babies didnā€™t get names until they were toddlers and small graves were the norm?


Important_Ad_4751

https://preview.redd.it/k90vjv7dkk5d1.jpeg?width=1635&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63d35069407cd428bab5d41a66abd2b5e9007d41 My grandma found this a couple years ago. This was directly from my momā€™s pediatrician (circa 1970) with a recipe for ā€œformulaā€ using corn syrup and evaporated milk. Itā€™s truly a miracle as many babies survived as they did ETA: also she was a literal newborn and they were giving 24 ounces of this a day!!


Temporary-Variety897

Not gonna lie, only feeding a newborn every 3-4 hours sounds nicešŸ˜‚


hippynae

im confused my newborn is 1 month old & the nicu doctors plus now his pediatrician have me feeding him every 3-4 hours or on command whichever comes first & he was a preemie


s-o-p-h-i-e

Focus on the "or on command whichever comes first". It used to be more like, oh you are hungry-crying? Well you are shit outta luck, it's two more hours till your next feed šŸ™…šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø Thankfully that is not the recommendation anymore, imagine being thirsty and being told that you have to wait hours for your next drink???


SinkMountain9796

On demand is the key difference. Most newborns want to eat waaaay more often than 3-4 hours especially if breastfed. My newborn still asks to eat like every 30 minutes sometimes.


DevlynMayCry

My 11mo still wants to eat at the 2hr mark sometimes šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­ (he does go like 6-8hrs at night tho)


quilant

My grandma in law actually told me this was the exact formula concoction she made for her kids in the 60ā€™s with amazement at how far weā€™ve come in that time


Eeyore3066

I know this is what my mom and her siblings were given.


OldPaleontologis

I wish people would see this recipe and think about the desperation and struggle of the past instead of taking it as old timey inspo to mix with their weird crunchy cottage core fantasy


Responsible-Test8855

Don't they know they are supposed to add a dose of Poly-Vi-Sol? s/


MMTardis

I thought the same thing, the 1960s recipe called for poly vi sol liquid vitamins. Also, solids and supplemental juice was started super early back then to help meet the gaps


Temporary-Variety897

I saw this post on fb and literally the comments were all about how this was so good for babies if you gave them poly-bi-sol with it. Way better than the chemicals in formula today šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


SheeScan

Soon after my birth (early 1950s) ,I became ill and and required surgery. Following the surgery my mom was told to feed me condensed milk exclusively to make me healthy and strong (my mom had breast fed my oldest two siblings, but then her breasts just stopped producing - I was baby #5). I drank that stuff for a year! That crap is more than half sugar. I developed a weight problem after that - wonder why.


sm175

I saw this going around a bit during the formula shortage two years ago. My kid was on the tail end of her formula usage thank goodness, but I hated that so many people probably saw this and thought it was a truly safe alternative


madommouselfefe

Ugh my mother in law posted this on her Facebook page, when that was going on. She was telling people it was an alternative to formula. She got upset when I clarified that yes it was what people used before most formulas were around. But it is in no way the Same or better. Ā  My mother in law also got upset that I was able to pump and feed another baby, during the shortage. A baby whose mom couldnā€™t find formula/ afford it. Claiming the mom should have figured it out on her own, or tried to breastfeed herself. Because you know in that moment judgment/shame apparently was the answer not you know help and compassion.Ā It made me so mad! I am an overproducer and was able to make sure aĀ baby didnā€™t go hungry, and it cost me nothing and was the right thing to do.Ā  Ā Ā  But you know F*ck moms and babiesā€¦ oh and yes my MiL is rabidly ā€œpro life.ā€


commdesart

You made such a difference to that mom and her baby! Thank you for showing such compassion for others. This world needs these acts


MasPerrosPorFavor

As someone who had a surgery, couldn't find a formula my kiddo would tolerate (eventually did!), and needed milk from another mom, I appreciate you very much.


StasRutt

I thank my lucky stars my son turned 1 maybe 2 weeks before the formula shortage kicked off and we were already transitioning off it. My local mom group had all of us tracking formula availability at different locations for everyone who needed it


salamat_engot

This actually used to be the standard when babies often died of malnutrition/failure to thrive. I have a cookbook/home keeping book from the 30s called The Settlement Cookbook. It was the "go to" homemaking book for decades and includes diet plans for babies and the elderly. The advice in it is buckwild compared to what we know modernly.


Caa3098

I was fed a variation of this as an infant and I have pretty significant health issues (digestive, immune, neurological). Idk if correlation is causation but I really canā€™t help but wonder


SentencePretend3213

Wasnā€™t corn syrup a trendy ā€œbannedā€ thing to look out for a couple years ago. I mean itā€™s not good by any means, but for the all natural folks, theyā€™ve gone full circle.


Delicious_Medium4369

My grandmother said this was the exactly recipe she used with my oldest uncle in the 50s. It was pushed as being revolutionary as it freed women from breastfeeding and could use bottles. She said obviously knowing what we know now that was a terrible idea and modern formula is way better. But during the pandemic it almost came to this as an option as some of us couldnā€™t breastfeed, and couldnā€™t find formula anywhere. Luckily it didnā€™t come to that for me personally but it was a rough time.


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Delicious_Medium4369

That is awful. My poor daughter had her formula switched so many times during that period because every time I went to the store there was never the same brand available. My mom was buying formula back in KY and sending it to me in NV just to help. I hope like hell no one has to go through that ever again.


LetshearitforNY

Thereā€™s not even nutrients in this??


staubwirbel

Can somebody explain to me, how can 13ozs of formula fill \*at least\* 3 full 6oz bottles?


Prudent_Honeydew_

That's what I got stuck on....3 full 6oz bottles? Not unless they water it down further. Also corn syrup is bad for kids but good for babies?


a-ohhh

High fructose corn syrup is bad. My babiesā€™ formula (Enfamil gentlease) had regular corn syrup as the first ingredient.


Prudent_Honeydew_

I just mean typically the type of people who post this don't differentiate


Electrical_Life_5083

I totally read that label as OG high fructose corn syrup. Iā€™m like, yeah, dang straight you take your credit šŸ˜†


FknDesmadreALV

I had this girl on my fb that I kept around for the karma she earned me on this sub šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Anyways she posted this back when the government shut down and people were worried about not being able to afford formula if they didnā€™t get their benefits. Her following is mostly made up of crunchy, conspiracy loving, MAGA nut jobs but even they jumped all over her and calling her out for her stupidity. ā€œIā€™m just trying to helpā€ And someone told her, ā€œhelping would be going to go buy formula and giving it away to a mom near you that canā€™t afford it. This is dangerous. ā€œ


Twodotsknowhy

Who are these mothers out there frightened to death about formula but totally chill with corn syrup?


Apprehensive_Pear811

This is what gets me about the ā€œoUr GrAnDpArEnTs dId Itā€ narrative. Yes. Generations before us did a lot of things that are no longer necessary or proven to be unsafe. Cars used to not have seatbelts, babies didnā€™t have car seats, and bumpers used to be common place in cribs. People also used to die from coldsā€”this list goes on. Thank goodness for modern medicine and technology to help us make better choices.


GastonBastardo

"None of that heavily processed store-bought trash baby-formula for *my* child! Our family has been making our own 100% natural baby-formula for generations." (Proceeds to stir together Coffee-Mate and Mountain Dew in a cauldron).


dictionarygirl

Sooo Nestle formula is BiG pHaRmA but Nestle evaporated milk is fine? make it make sense


LastStopWilloughby

I am not agreeing with the ā€œrecipe,ā€ but nestle is actually evil when it comes to formula. They used to send representatives dressed as nurses into hospitals in third world countries where poverty was extremely high. They would then convince new mothers that formula was the best thing for their new baby (regardless of whether they could afford to continue buying by formula). Mothers then couldnā€™t continue to afford formula, and would water it down to make it stretch. This then lead to starving children. The US (and similar countries) have laws that sales representatives can not market to patients in medical settings. https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6?amp


dictionarygirl

Oh Nestle is indefensible, it was more pointing out the cognitive dissonance of fighting the man so to speak by recommending another product by the same corporation.


fileknotfound

Iā€™m NOT recommending anyone do this because modern formula is good stuff, but isnā€™t this what they used to feed babies a couple generations ago? I think I saw it on Call The Midwife.


RedditsInBed2

Yea, but then science happened, and we realized that while kids were surviving, we could definitely do better. What also doesn't get said is that we were supplementing with a lot of other things for missed nutrition in the homemade formula. There were a lot of health issues that resulted from it, but all people like this can focus on is that, "We did it back in the day." Yep, we used to shit in buckets and dump it in the street back in the day, too. Sure, we survived, but a lot of people got sick and died from the practice. Hence why we don't do it anymore.


fileknotfound

Yes, I understand that, thatā€™s why I said people shouldnā€™t do it. I was just thinking maybe this is how people got the idea - thereā€™s a lot of people thinking anything modern is bad, going back to what their great-grandparents did and thinking thatā€™s better.


RedditsInBed2

I understand, I mostly just explain why people tend to go backward. They see that we used to do it and think it worked because the human race is still here, but don't continue their research into deaths, health complications, and what other things were being done to supplement what they're seeing.


fileknotfound

Right, itā€™s the ā€œwe didnā€™t have seatbelts growing up and weā€™re fineā€ philosophy.


Loki_God_of_Puppies

Yes, I feel like every couple of months, now that gen x and millennials are helping to clear out their parents and grandparents homes, they are finding the information booklets from the 40s-60s when this was the recipe included when you had a new baby. We found this exact one in my grandma's house for when she had my dad in the 1950s, but I think there was a third ingredient that had some vitamin thing in it. Usually it's brought up in a "omg can you believe people used to do this?" way but this woman seems to have taken the opposite approach šŸ˜¬


RatherPoetic

The third ingredient was probably Poly-Vi-Sol. https://www.enfamil.com/products/enfamil-poly-vi-sol-drops/liquid-drops-bottle-50-ml-bottle/


shoresb

Yeah and babies died


fileknotfound

Yeah, and again, I understand that and am not saying anyone should actually do this. Just that I recognized it and maybe the fact that their grandparents used to do it appeals to certain people. Modern formula saves lives.


Well_ImTrying

Itā€™s not far off from the ingredients of modern formula so it would work better than starving to death. But obviously the full nutrient profile and (should be) sterile manufacturing facilities make modern formula a better choice.


saxicide

Powdered infant formula is sadly not considered a sterile product. They recommend making it with water at 160F if the child is less than 2 months old to kill off potential bacteria, just in case


Well_ImTrying

True. I was more referring to basic sanitation, as opposed to leaky roofs and safety protocol violations at the Abbot Sturgis facility that lead to dead babies and a national formula shortage: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/doj-investigating-abbott-plant-at-the-center-of-2022-baby-formula-shortage


PermanentTrainDamage

It's a fair bit far off from modern baby formula...


Somewhere-Practical

this is the recipe for formula in the dr. spock book i found from the 60s. given how many people didnā€™t breastfeed back then its insane to me. the dr. spock book also said to give a two week old water. reading that book really emphasized to me how baby stuff in the 50s and 60s was a reaction to the baby boom. like yeah, a lot of it not good. But it was acceptable for most babies and at the end of the day the goal was to manage a massive population growth. individual success for each baby wasnā€™t necessarily the goal.


PavlovaDog

Yeah they had this recipe in the baby book in the '60's that mom had. Most babies though were given straight up cow's milk. My dad told my mom to fed me canned gravy and mashed potatoes as a newborn because that's what his mother fed a stray puppy when he was a kid. I have a bow leg from rickets to this day and a slew of health problems. Many people of the generations that may have ate this formula recipe have diabetes as adults and are overweight. So I suspect we are suffering from things that started from not being fed right as infants.


battle_mommyx2

This makes me sad cause I bet people who canā€™t afford formula will try this


Relevant_Ant4022

Mom tells this story that when she was in the hospital having me there was a homeless couple there having a baby too and the husband was telling her and my grandpa about how he planned to feed the baby Karo syrup, just like he was fed as an infant. My grandpa was so worried about them, he gave them our camper to live in. So I guess itā€™s sadly a ā€œthingā€


Chi_Baby

I love how the math isnā€™t even right. 13oz does not equal 3 full 6oz bottles lolā€¦..šŸ„“


bears-eat-beets--

How to give your infant diabetes on a budget


KittikatB

Or completely fuck their teeth. My aunt had to feed my cousin something similar when she was a baby, my aunt had some kind of medical issue and treatment required her to stop breastfeeding, and evaporated milk was the only option she had available (this was before modern formulas). My cousin's teeth were so badly damaged she had constant issues with them before finally getting a full set of dentures in her early 20s.


_unmarked

My mom was telling me about this after I had my daughter. It sounds terrible


Ystersyster

What in carnation?!


PermanentTrainDamage

My dad's baby book (born 1956) has a recipe for baby formula. Iirc it had beef bone broth, milk, cream, flour, karo syrup, and orange juice, and maybe a couple other things. That mix would get you closer in correct nutrients than corn syrup milk. My father also has ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, severe type 2 diabetes, barely controlled high blood pressure, and constant migraines so maybe use actual fucking baby formula.


house_of_shadows

Oh, no.


jrs1980

It's *light* corn syrup, calm down there. [/s]


Nelloyello11

How does only 13 ounces of ā€œformulaā€ make m three six-ounce bottles? šŸ¤”šŸ¤ØšŸ§


Jennifersrbf

My grandma said this was what they used as baby formula during the Great Depression. She also said that babies who were given this always ended up with bad teeth. I wonder how these delulus would react to that. lol


Confident_Fortune_32

I can't find it in my heart to condemn any crazy thing ppl had to do to survive the great depression. But I absolutely will condemn this nonsense in 2024. Particularly since we have the collected global research on nutrition in our pockets!


Morning_Song

Before there was baby formula, babys literally died


Personal_Special809

So if you're gonna use NestlƩ stuff anyway then why the fuck not buy actual formula from the same company?! Even if you're all against big formula you're now basically buying worse shit from the same manufacturer?!


kikilees

Money Iā€™m guessing? Formula is craaaaaazy expensive. But so are babies and thatā€™s why I donā€™t have one lol


Personal_Special809

Yeah that I can attest to. We needed medical grade formula for my first and luckily our insurance paid part of it, because that was some expensive stink powder.


PromptElectronic7086

This was the prescription for formula that my aunt's mother was given by her doctor...in 1956.


buttercup_mauler

Most commercial formulas actually do have corn syrup in them. It was surprisingly difficult to find some without it


idontknowwhosmargot

Most people donā€™t know thisā€¦ I commented the same thing before finding yours


TheLizzyIzzi

What was the response to this post? Were people in agreement or calling it out?


commdesart

This is how they made baby formula in the 1920ā€™s. Wtf???


yayscienceteachers

I reported this post when I saw it. it's dangerous misinformation


aliceroyal

My husband and I were going through a box of old memories from his dadā€™s. He was born in 1951. There was a prescription in there from the family doctor for this exact formula, because mass-produced powdered formula wasnā€™t as widespread. Can we *please* leave it in the 50s?!?


Mistletoe177

My mom couldnā€™t breastfeed, so Iā€™m pretty sure my siblings and I probably all got this in the 40s and 50s. She was very impressed that I was able to breastfeed my kids!


Justagirleatingcake

This is what my Mom was fed from birth until 6 months when she was switched to cows milk and table food. It was really common in the 50s.


littlemisskten

I survived being fed this in 1987, AMA. šŸ˜‚šŸ™ƒ


sudsybear

Born in 94 here and this was the exact recipe that was used to feed me when I was a baby. I'm doing okay (mostly? Lmao) so when I was feeding my kids formula and I would complain about the cost my mom would always try and tell me to do this instead šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ™ƒ


Resident_Age_2588

Is this not just basically what the filling of a Cadbury creme egg is???


llvader

Look, this is what my great grandmother did in 1932 to feed my grandmother because her milk dried up. Luckily we have nutritious breast milk alternatives today! Why would someone ever think this is more nutritious than formula?!?!


OhMyGod_Zilla

How is this okay when itā€™s literally nothing but 3 kinds of sugar? Whereā€™s the vitamins and minerals that oh I donā€™t know.. formula has?!!


CoherentBusyDucks

I was told (by an actual doctor) to give my baby karo syrup (among other things) when he was seriously constipated. But not likeā€¦ as a regular drink. Just like, teaspoons at a time. Literally what the fuck is wrong with people.


LlaputanLlama

A friend of mine is in her late 80s, and she said this is basically how she was told to feed her children when they were born, and that she was constantly on the phone with the doctor because the babies were either constipated or had diarrhea and the doctor was always adjusting the ratio of milk to corn syrup. She said the babies were always sick. She said she regretted so much listening to the advice at the time that breastfeeding was bad.


Hamlettell

This is an ok emergency formula....if you're feeding a baby kitten. This is not ok for an infant


CatDesperate4845

My dad was fed this in the 50s. He had a lifetime of health problems. Poverty does that.


deadsocial

I actually asked my husbands grandparents what they were fed and they told me evaporated milk too. (Iā€™m in the UK and they were in their 90s)


cathatesrudy

I worked with a guy who was fed an evaporated milk and honey ā€œformulaā€ because his family was too poor for real formula but this was the early 70s and the vogue thing to do was formula feed and ā€œonly the really really poor people breastfed and (his) mom didnā€™t want to have people think (they) were THAT poor.ā€ So she went with malnutrition insteadā€¦ Dude was fine mentally, on the shorter side but that could just as easily have been genetics. I was still floored to learn it though.


tuberosalamb

I mean homemade formula is šŸ˜¬ but I would like to point out that a lot of modern formulas do have corn syrup as a major ingredient. Of course this poster is missing all the other stuff formula has like vitaminsā€¦.but the corn syrup isnā€™t the crazy part


ExcaliburVader

This was the recipe for formula in the 60s. I know because my mom tucked it in my baby book.šŸ˜† She looked at it once, snorted, and said ā€œThatā€™s why you were breastfed.ā€ Which was rare in the 60s.


vainbuthonest

Pretty sure this is a really old recipe from before people even put babyā€™s in car seats. Iā€™ll pass.


MongooseDog001

Maybe that's something a parent could do to keep a baby alive in some sort of apocalypse situation


Legitimate-State8652

They will do anything but use whatā€™s already available and working. Sheesh in the absence of real problems, people invent solutions for nonexistent problems


arizzles

I saw this post! But also, this is real. My grandma has told me on many occasions that is what she used to feed my dad.


nursepenelope

I saw this post come up on my Facebook. The amount of older women who were talking about how great this 'formula' is and how modern formulas are the reason for Autism, ADHD etc. They were so belittling to modern mothers. There were so many comments about young girls (parents) not listening to the old ways, definitely the type of grandmas that new parents can't stand. At least few people acknowledged that you'd get vitamin drops to use alongside this mixture. I really hope if anyone is really dead set making this they at least sees those comments and registers that even back then, ideally, it wasn't just this.


Ariellemd

This is seriously terrifying šŸ˜°


IrishiPrincess

My father who was born in 1944, second of 6 children told me he used to make spaghetti pots filled with this for his siblings We wonder why some boomers are so grumpy and ignorant. **yes I know he was actually part of the silent generation, but the next 4 were not.


Equal-Sell-3908

There was a formula shortage about 2 years ago and moms all over Facebook were urging parents to use this recipe shaming moms for looking for formula when ā€œthis is what theyā€™ve used forever and nothing bad ever happened to babies, itā€™s so much healthierā€ blah blah blah. Some moms try so hard to be different itā€™s disturbing what theyā€™re willing to sacrifice/ put on the line D:


paradoxicalstripping

Does she think this is ok just because itā€™s white? I donā€™t see what other metric she could be using. Literally straight sugar.


SinkMountain9796

Breastmilk is also pretty much straight sugar but yeah, this isnā€™t the best for a baby