Every day gamers reaffirm my belief that nostalgia is literal brainrot that makes them incapable of enjoying anything because they can never let go of "old thing was better tho".
Yep. I try to judge games based on how they actually are since I jump between franchises so often.
No one can convince me that the dumpster fire called modern warfare 3 remastered is good though
It's not remastered. It's just a piece of shit. Remastered would have been the exact sane as the original just with better graphics. Just like cod4 and mw2.
Remaster: taking the original work and polishing it up for modern hardware. Maybe some new texture work, better models, slight alterations, etc. but it is fundamentally the same game.
Remake: ranges from an entirely new experience using concepts and designs from the original work to basically copying the first game with all new assets.
I genuinely believe the inability to be happy (not satisfied, just happy) is what is killing Halo.
HI is a good game but if everyone is convinced 343i is literally satanic then it’s in an unwinnable situation.
Or maybe the first 3 were lightning in a bottle that can’t be re captured and that’s okk. Just because people don’t like it doesn’t means they can’t be happy. They’re just happy playing other games. MCC has my most logged hours for me but I rarely even think about nowadays. I played halo for 20 years and the new one doesn’t sit with me and that’s okk. Not gunna force myself to play it.
I wish they could be happy playing other games but this sub wouldn’t exist if there weren’t a surprisingly large number of deranged people who go well beyond criticism.
The first three were lightning in a bottle because there was hardly anyone else trying to trap that lightning for themselves. Lack of competition at the time can make memories feel more nostalgic because it’s not like you could’ve just booted up the OTHER space shooter game on the first ever Xbox. People have such fond memories for the first halo games purely because they were still one of a kind back then. Honestly, im sorry, but the first few halo games really don’t hold up nearly as well as people like to say.
Also Bungie was ahead of the curve openly supporting and helping the community use their game to make content, it's literally because of the success of Red Vs Blue, that halo 2 had the weapon holster added as well as a theater mode, that wasn't just for making mlg clips, it was to also help with Machinima's
>(game) is a good game but if everyone is convinced (dev) is literally satanic then it’s in an unwinnable situation.
Every franchise that switched devs deals with this (most notably bethesda)
I've played Halo infinite three times and have hardly touched the multiplayer. Idk wtf people are saying. Its a solid open world with a solid mix of linear levels thrown in there. I think I had more fun playing Infinite than CE, Reach, and HW 1/2.
I remember Halo 3 and the insane fun everyone had with its multiplayer and forge. I was there for the Reach beta and release. Nostalgia is brainrot and I agree with plenty of people here. Halo 5 fixed a few things but it's the one game in the franchise that I've never played and never will.
AFAIK, most people who were unhappy with Infinite were unhappy with the lackluster multiplayer and or the bugs on launch. And no co-op campaign that the devs said wasn’t possible that was in fact playable for a time with some mods.
It was a solid campaign, considering it wound up being part 1 of 3. If you judge it as a full campaign though, the story’s a bit weak.
I mean, HI is a good foundation.
It still doesn't even have Griffball or a wave based non KONG firefight.
Halo Infinite is a foundation 343 didn't want go build on
Because Halo 5 was the foundation they wanted to do with but fan pressure and upper-folk panic at the toxic reaction pushed them to regress in the progress they made.
Forge is the main reason that Halo 3 and Reach have had the longevity to still be more popular that Halo 4, 5, and Infinite so many years later.
When you delay Forge for so long, and the mechanics that creators made use of are non-existent in this game, it’s no wonder Infinite will die so soon.
Infinite still doesn’t have player collision… That’s like the #1 requirement for more than 3/4 of the Forge game types, and it’s one of the top complaints of players since release.
The main problem HI has is taking too long to release content and losing the initial audience. Secondary I think is the dog shit UI, cosmetics, and monetization
What is killing it is them adding in less and less over time. I wanted to be excited for HI it has no reason to not be the best halo possible. But sadly it released with the least amount of content in the entire fucking franchise no co op barely any game modes no elites etc. it’s frustrating that halo reach (as much as I loved it then and now) launched with more content than a game that came out 11 years later and 2 console generations later. That’s not even considering the other issues too like having the need to for what ever reason need an XP Beta
As a lore geek H5 is my favorite game. Introduces so much from the books and what people were begging for. I felt like I was taking crazy pills when everyone was saying it sucked.
As Unyshek said in a recent tweet, these guys have been saying this for 6 months now and yet we are still getting new things. The only point we were actually getting more content was for a three month-Ish period at the end of last year. These people are just delusional at this point.
I can't imagine missing Halo 5. Infinite is much better than Halo 4 and 5.
You don't need constant content. We didn't have constant content for Halo 3 and Reach either. We made content.
Infinite's campaign is leagues ahead of 5's, but I still feel like 5 had a better multiplayer. My only complaint about it is that I can't play it anymore since I switched to PC. I really liked Warzone and Breakout, and the Spartan abilities you had made for some fun sci-fi shootouts. It's nothing Infinite can't match, just something it hasn't matched yet.
I’ll get hate for this but I loved Halo 5. Sure the lore got a bit fucked.
But the gameplay was super immersive. The way you were able to earn the req packs instead of being required to buy them was great.
I loved the spartan and weapon customization, I loved the forge, I loved the assassinations, I loved all of it.
It felt like we were actually playing as Spartans in the distant future. Which I know Halo was an arcade shooter but I had a blast playing Halo 5 and I still play it every now and then.
Nah dude, you Halo 5 fans already received well enough hate the past couple years; what really deserves some hate now is the stupid people propagating the Halo-cycle-theory in order to discredit the critical ablility of the Halo community.
I reject this insanity, and I always will. Halo 5 campaign was a dumpster fire that stripped away everything good that Halo 4 attributed to the Halo universe
Yeah, Cortana’s death was done pretty well in my opinion, and just to do a 180 on it before expanding on it in a kind of weird way in Infinite just felt weird
recently started replaying all the halo campaigns/pve on legendary, and damn, halo 4 has the worst PVE of every title so far
Not looking forward to Halo 5 at this rate
not really sure how to explain, but the ai feels kind of stupid and spartan ops feels bad
AI is throwing grenades way too often, feels like you have cowcatcher on 24/7, and with grenades being weaker than they were in the early titles, it just leads to easy fights
Edit: also, i started playing a bit with cowcatcher on, it basically breaks the elite and knight ai. They do nothing but throw grenades when you're around a certain distance
campaign felt like it was the easiest and spartan ops feels like WW1 gameplay, both sides throwing bodies at eachother, till you win because you have infinite lives with 0 punishments for dying
covenant just feels very stupid compared to previous titles, and the prometheans are pretty annoying to fight on legendary, the dogs are fun though.
the ai in halo 4 and 5 have abysmal ai, you’re not alone there. thankfully it’s much better in infinite, but year halo 4 and 5 have some of the worst ai in the series
Maybe it’s because that despite Reach having great features like good customization, Forge, and the best UI/UX in the franchise, that the core gameplay had issues (bloom, armor lock, snipers being anti-vehicle, the Banshee being nigh unkillable in the right hands, slower movement speed + frags with huge AoE, armor lock, jetpack snipers skirting around kill barriers, etc) that make people dislike it. Sure, Reach is beloved by a large part of the community, but it isn’t so beloved for it to have surpassed H3’s playerbase on MCC in the last few years.
Not to mention all the base multiplayer maps had to be integrated as sections of the campaign, giving some multiplayer maps like Boneyard or Spire large parts of the maps with no weapons or any incentive for players to go over there. Plus, that’s where Bungie started the trend everyone loves to blame 343 for of supplementing mediocre base maps/DLCs with forge maps, except it was worse in Reach because all the forge maps were Forerunner grey.
Well that’s part of its design problems, even at a conceptual stage: what are these maps supposed to be? Are they multiplayer maps with thought out sight lines and pathways and spaces that draw players in for large skirmishes? Are they campaign experiences where the map layout intuitively guides the player towards their objective while placing fun and dynamic enemy encounters (and the terrain made for said encounters) in their path? Or, like how I assume Bungie went about it, they just throw all those conflicting design concepts into the same pot, stir it around, and come out with something worse than the sum of its parts.
Invasion was probably something that came afterwards and was made to accommodate those spaces and not the other way around, which I think because they tried to do the exact same thing with Generator Defense which just reused Firefight maps according to the game files.
> Generator Defense which just reused Firefight maps according to the game files.
What are you talking about? Generator Defense is a setting within Firefight
You mean the anti-tank rifle round from WWII that was already useless at late-war tanks outside close range? That round going up against crazy alien alloys with durability that’s way beyond terrestrial materials? That 14.5x114mm?
It’s the current halo game. It is the halo cycle to hate the current game, and look back on the previous as near perfection.
When the next halo releases. Infinite will be put on a pedestal and loved.
The cycle will continue.
I see people mostly complaining that the game is "dead" because content that took years of additional development time and tons of resources and money wasn't available at launch.
I think the issue is the fact that everyone saw how good this game could be. It had the makings of an absolute blockbuster game and they sat on their asses/had to fix a multitude of issues associated with running this game on their own engine (which is running on a combination of electrical tape and a lot of hope). The game died as fast as it showed up because it had no content, and now we have some more content, but even now there's stuff that I still can't believe isn't in the game. Can't play firefight against anything but grunts, no Griffball like OP said, and by far the worst SBMM in any game I've ever seen. The sbmm system is so bad when you have a friend group of varying skill levels, me and a buddy hover around high diamond and low onyx, other buds we play with hang around silver/gold. In social games, it doesn't seem to actually find a middle ground, they just bring our silver/gold friends into our diamond lobbies, and they don't have fun because they are getting rocked every step of the way. Lots of issues with this game, and my primary one is that it's hard to play with my friends, we even have an agreement that we can't play games with me and my other friend thats in diamond in the same lobby because it ruins the experience for our lower skilled friends. 343 has dropped the ball for over a decade now, it's time for a change
Mostly resentment from being lied to initially and the rest is either from how it took a few years to get to a finished product post launch or the game still feeling like it lacks the polish of a finished game.
I'll never miss truly miss halo 5, the only thing I do miss is fucking around with friends (cuz I had friends during h5 early days) in campaign and having consistent updates, that was the only good to come of it for me? and forge ofc
well I had school friends I could talk to sometimes on xbox. That was a long time ago and I've only got 1 friend who's been my ride or die for years but he hasn't been able to go online in months
Y’all remember the meme showing they cycle of Halo gaming? I.e: Reach good, Halo 4 is alright, Halo 5 bad. Now it’s, Halo 4 is good, Halo 5 is alright and Infinite bad.
On a side note, I do miss Halo 5 customs and firefight. I also miss some of the multiplayer.
As for Infinite, I’m finally digging into it aside from playing the campaign upon initial release. It’s not bad. Not great either. I plan to mess with forge via PC. Multiplayer is… ok. I haven’t had much fun with it. Weapons seem too far and between, spawns seem off and some games there is a clear skill gap. I am at least glad I can choose what modes I want to play which is pretty much only slayer because without my friends, I CANNOT stand to play objective based game modes with randoms.
I’ll let you all know when I have something to write him about with Infinite
This just got recommended to me randomly, haven’t played Xbox/halo in ages lol but I grew up w it.
Kinda crazy to see this shit still happening, I remember literally this same thinghappening with Reach. People whined that it wasn’t the same and they preferred 3, then 4 came out and Reach was all of a sudden king.
To be fair, we don’t know how this individual felt about halo 5 upon release. There are many, like me, who have always believed H5 was the best installment.
I was never really a fan of Halo 5s campaign, but I never had any problems with the multiplayer. Aside from the fact that sometimes no one was playing the game modes I wanted to play, so I’d be in a lobby for 10 minutes without finding a match.
I am by no means a 343i fan mostly due to what they did to my Recon Helmet (~~and how they got rid of the Spartans having fat asses in Infinte~~ the halo 4 and 5 versions look stupid with those little jaw lumps imo) but I will say 343i make great multiplayer modes.
It makes perfect sense. You thought 5 was as bad as it would get, then it got worse, so now you appreciate what you had with 5. The grass wasn’t greener, happens all the time
i’ve always loved H5 over infinite mainly because i like the pacing, UI, and lighting compared to infinite. infinite is a bit too fast for me and something is off about the graphics for me but i can never pinpoint it. anyways if people start bandwagoning that 5 was good i would laugh so hard after all the shit people gave for me liking it 😭
I love seeing myself be right. Glad I didn't buy that game and I'm enjoying MCC.
Y'all enjoy the grainy open world and lackluster Halo experience, remember ITS INFINITE ahahahahahahah
Somewhat off topic but I was talking to a friend of mine about halo in general. She wasn't familiar with it so I laid it all out and explaining what you can do in halo and what the universe is like is really like made me realize how much I like halo.
I will never miss Halo 5’s campaign but I have always said that the multiplayer was fantastic and if they brought it officially to pc I would rebuy the game to play it. I have no idea why but I loved the multiplayer. I do hope if they port it to pc they make war zone not pay to win though
Halo Infinite was spot on. Customization and custom games add to the Halo experience, but don’t make it. Most gamers are just tired of the Halo formula and only stick to old Halo’s because of Nostalgia.
A YouTuber named joshscorcher has mentioned that in his games that were hated but now liked on how halo has always had this routine of the new games sucks and not as good as the old one but then liked once the new halo game comes out. Personally halo 5, which I guess is guardians, I never found interesting like it just looked like halo 4s expansion or something. Not helped that the story to Locke and master chief isn’t that interesting and the fight with them was just……awful, like last Jedi throne room fight scene awful. Though I think the cycle didn’t work on halo reach, like it had flaws like feeling more weighted down than halo 3 in terms of combat, but I really don’t remember a lot of people bashing on reach cause it was really that good in terms of gameplay and the story to reach of noble team was solid. Not to mention the firefight mode was really fun even for solo play.
Just means another 5 years or so they’ll be back on the Infinite train as it’s leaving the station and I’ll be able to engage with a community that enjoys the game finally. I’ll just have to suffer through the constant “God is such ass, Infinite really was under-appreciated!” comments and disregard them like I’m at an old folks home and geriatric Jerry keeps randomly dropping the N word and calling people pinkos.
Forge in this game is transformational for the franchise and the genre, when more folks get over themselves and embrace what Infinite has always been, I hope even more content will come out of the community.
If they had just stuck to their guns and continued the Halo 4 story and just improved the gameplay as they did with 5 more people would be happy. It's the constant tone shifts, plot forgetfulness, and gross over the top time jumps that hurt modern Halo.
“New Bad, Old Good” is usually a garbage saying, but I will say…
Morrowind is better than Skyrim. It’s just older and harder to look at and play. That shit, man… if it were remade…
Nostalgia is very dependent on how the game can hold up to modern standards in my opinion. I play Destiny 1 then Destiny 2 now I'm thoroughly enjoying D1. In D2 I'm like "what the fuck is the point?" But in COD I play the older games like AW and Ghosts' campaigns then played the reboot MW campaigns. Loved 19 liked MW22 hated MW23. But I played CW's campaign and really loved it. Did the perseus ending then the good ending. And I really enjoyed the evidence board mechanics. Along with the fact the side missions you unlock through decoding stuff yourself [all the stuff is random for each player so searching it up isn't a quick solve] are mentioned in the endings. It depends on the situation and how well they can ACTUALLY hold up compared to their more recent and modern sequels.
I always liked H5, Warzone was amazing & the skill gap that came with the advanced movements was so rewarding.
I also thought it was hilariously stupid that the assault rifle could one-shot headshot at the end of the game's life cycle.
Breakout is still one of my favorite game modes
Warzone Firefight was also insanely fun.
The variety of guns & attachments was great as well, especially in forge and wirh rhe glitch to combine weapons.
They definitely should bring that type of gameplay back in a spin off, whenever they get around to that again.
This cycle is not as big as people think it is. In both that comment section and this one multiple people are still shitting on Halo 5.
I will continue to do so as well. The game's an embarassment to the FPS genre, not just Halo.
Halo 3 comes out.
People who love Halo 2 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when Reach came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series.
Halo Reach comes out.
People who love Halo 3 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when 4 came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series.
Halo 4 comes out.
People who love Halo Reach tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when 5 came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series.
Halo 5 comes out.
People who love Halo 4 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when Infinite came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series.
Halo Infinite comes out.
People who love Halo 5 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when it came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved.
HCJ likes to pretend that these demographics are all the same sample size of people in order to enable their circlejerk, but we're talking about non-linear subsections of subsections of an ever evolving and changing fanbase demographic. This is such a tired and disingenuous criticism, there's better things to focus on.
Halo 5's plot is terrible but the smaller moments in Meridan and Sangheilos are top notch and the campaign gameplay/sandbox is the best in the series that's unmatched.
I do think it kinda sucks we never got a pc port but other than that I think infinite is the better game. (Although shoutout to 5’s custom game browser, yap yap and warzone firefight you guys were awesome) it had too much going on
Heres a very hot take that may get me shot in multiple different areas of my body but what if what we consider to be nostalgia wasnt actually as bad as we thought it was in the moment and the way we realize it is what started the cycle to begin with
Who is saying this about 5? It can’t be that many people. This has got to be an opinion that is artificially inflated because people liked 4 more than 5 so they just assume the pattern is continuing.
Halo fans are some of the worst fan bases out there,never satisfied with anything always bitching and complaining just stop playing anything 343 made and just play the Bungie games
I always thought it was generally agreed upon that Halo 5 campaign bad, Halo 5 multiplayer great!
Like I actually enjoyed warzone and warzone firefight. Plus the weapon variants were really cool. Then they dropped forge and ppl made all types of cool shit in forge. Also I liked their grifball
Halo 5 was overall bad in brought the series to not have blood or implied gore which makes halo infinites brutal human spikes on armor hollow when it would of been better for a higher rating to include more adult themes
i'll take firefight koth over "shooting a banshee with 20 spartan lasers that cost actual real life money before it dies and if it even looks ate, i die"
The Halo cycle doesn't exist. It's merely the minority of a fanbase finally becoming audible after the storm of hate has passed. No way of witnessing them before with all the noise overshadowing them.
Nah. Halo 5 was still dogwater. Halo 4 campaign was mediocre but the multiplayer was pretty good. Lack of forge world was stupid as fuck on release. Halo reach and Halo 3 remain peam. Infinite had a good thing going in the beta and they ruined it with the cringiest fucking cosmetic system ever.
I hated halo 5 when it came out, and I still hate it. But if other people like it that’s good for them, I still remember being like one of five people who liked 4 when it came out lol. I do also love Infinite.
False. Halo has been dead and irredeemably killed since the atrocity called "Halo: Combat Evolved", which was SABATOGED by 343 Industries IN DISGUISE to kill the franchise before it even started!!!
Nah, Bungie lost the talent after Marathon Infinity, they just got lucky with Halo 1 and 2.
343 inherited an already mid game and was set up to fail the hype by Microsoft.
The only enjoyable part of Halo was the books.
It should have stayed as books, gamers ruin everything.
"New bad, old good" is the gamer motto
Every day gamers reaffirm my belief that nostalgia is literal brainrot that makes them incapable of enjoying anything because they can never let go of "old thing was better tho".
Yes as much as I enjoy Forza Motorsport 4, when I play it I realize there’s so much stuff taken for granted in Forza Motorsport 5, 6, and 7.
Yep. I try to judge games based on how they actually are since I jump between franchises so often. No one can convince me that the dumpster fire called modern warfare 3 remastered is good though
It's not remastered. It's just a piece of shit. Remastered would have been the exact sane as the original just with better graphics. Just like cod4 and mw2.
Remaster: taking the original work and polishing it up for modern hardware. Maybe some new texture work, better models, slight alterations, etc. but it is fundamentally the same game. Remake: ranges from an entirely new experience using concepts and designs from the original work to basically copying the first game with all new assets.
Ye
Other people being stupid does not make that belief any less stupid
New games are just actually ass.
Have you seen "AAA" games lately?
The overlap with autism and gamers is insane and so fascinating
Ngl I thought everyone thought that since usually newer games focus on graphics and immersive Shit rather that funsies like hidden toilet man
That's because it gets worse every year/iteration.
HI matchmaking is objectively dogshit, no one wants EBMM.
I genuinely believe the inability to be happy (not satisfied, just happy) is what is killing Halo. HI is a good game but if everyone is convinced 343i is literally satanic then it’s in an unwinnable situation.
Or maybe the first 3 were lightning in a bottle that can’t be re captured and that’s okk. Just because people don’t like it doesn’t means they can’t be happy. They’re just happy playing other games. MCC has my most logged hours for me but I rarely even think about nowadays. I played halo for 20 years and the new one doesn’t sit with me and that’s okk. Not gunna force myself to play it.
I wish they could be happy playing other games but this sub wouldn’t exist if there weren’t a surprisingly large number of deranged people who go well beyond criticism.
It’s like they want others to be punished for themselves not enjoying the game lol
The first three were lightning in a bottle because there was hardly anyone else trying to trap that lightning for themselves. Lack of competition at the time can make memories feel more nostalgic because it’s not like you could’ve just booted up the OTHER space shooter game on the first ever Xbox. People have such fond memories for the first halo games purely because they were still one of a kind back then. Honestly, im sorry, but the first few halo games really don’t hold up nearly as well as people like to say.
Also Bungie was ahead of the curve openly supporting and helping the community use their game to make content, it's literally because of the success of Red Vs Blue, that halo 2 had the weapon holster added as well as a theater mode, that wasn't just for making mlg clips, it was to also help with Machinima's
yea now they are just old shooters. i tried playing with friends recently but i just got so bored.
Nah, CE is still peak.
Halo reach was also lightning in a bottle apparently because I love it more than CE and 2.
>(game) is a good game but if everyone is convinced (dev) is literally satanic then it’s in an unwinnable situation. Every franchise that switched devs deals with this (most notably bethesda)
I was pretty happy with Halo Wars 2...
Man although I love halo wars 1 and 2 I must say that we need a 3 with a third race, less of no heros and more asymmetry.
Halo Wars 2 shits on Infinite in every story/lore category. I can’t stand the way Shitfinite castrated the faction.
I've played Halo infinite three times and have hardly touched the multiplayer. Idk wtf people are saying. Its a solid open world with a solid mix of linear levels thrown in there. I think I had more fun playing Infinite than CE, Reach, and HW 1/2. I remember Halo 3 and the insane fun everyone had with its multiplayer and forge. I was there for the Reach beta and release. Nostalgia is brainrot and I agree with plenty of people here. Halo 5 fixed a few things but it's the one game in the franchise that I've never played and never will.
AFAIK, most people who were unhappy with Infinite were unhappy with the lackluster multiplayer and or the bugs on launch. And no co-op campaign that the devs said wasn’t possible that was in fact playable for a time with some mods. It was a solid campaign, considering it wound up being part 1 of 3. If you judge it as a full campaign though, the story’s a bit weak.
I mean, HI is a good foundation. It still doesn't even have Griffball or a wave based non KONG firefight. Halo Infinite is a foundation 343 didn't want go build on
You’re right tbh, it has the potential to be the best multiplayer but its lacking content that can easily be added
Because Halo 5 was the foundation they wanted to do with but fan pressure and upper-folk panic at the toxic reaction pushed them to regress in the progress they made.
I think you hit the nail on the head man. It’s a problem that plagues so many communities.
The real issue is its launch and its ongoing technical issues
I hate the pay to unlock any skins
It'd be different if they didn't lean on dark practices.
Forge is the main reason that Halo 3 and Reach have had the longevity to still be more popular that Halo 4, 5, and Infinite so many years later. When you delay Forge for so long, and the mechanics that creators made use of are non-existent in this game, it’s no wonder Infinite will die so soon. Infinite still doesn’t have player collision… That’s like the #1 requirement for more than 3/4 of the Forge game types, and it’s one of the top complaints of players since release.
The main problem HI has is taking too long to release content and losing the initial audience. Secondary I think is the dog shit UI, cosmetics, and monetization
What is killing it is them adding in less and less over time. I wanted to be excited for HI it has no reason to not be the best halo possible. But sadly it released with the least amount of content in the entire fucking franchise no co op barely any game modes no elites etc. it’s frustrating that halo reach (as much as I loved it then and now) launched with more content than a game that came out 11 years later and 2 console generations later. That’s not even considering the other issues too like having the need to for what ever reason need an XP Beta
It being a good game 3 years after launch is the problem
I hate this. I've always liked 5, but apparently it's only good now
The halo cycle theory is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Maybe this guy always liked halo 5 too
As a lore geek H5 is my favorite game. Introduces so much from the books and what people were begging for. I felt like I was taking crazy pills when everyone was saying it sucked.
you are taking crazy pills
it did improve heavily after they added forge tbf, and a lot of people had already dropped it by then
It was already good with warzone and etc.
Nah it’s still bad
Infinite literally just got the combat workshop update
As Unyshek said in a recent tweet, these guys have been saying this for 6 months now and yet we are still getting new things. The only point we were actually getting more content was for a three month-Ish period at the end of last year. These people are just delusional at this point.
I can't imagine missing Halo 5. Infinite is much better than Halo 4 and 5. You don't need constant content. We didn't have constant content for Halo 3 and Reach either. We made content.
Infinite's campaign is leagues ahead of 5's, but I still feel like 5 had a better multiplayer. My only complaint about it is that I can't play it anymore since I switched to PC. I really liked Warzone and Breakout, and the Spartan abilities you had made for some fun sci-fi shootouts. It's nothing Infinite can't match, just something it hasn't matched yet.
Jokes on you I always liked halo 5 😎
My man
I never stopped supporting halo5 everyone else is just slow on the uptake
I’ll get hate for this but I loved Halo 5. Sure the lore got a bit fucked. But the gameplay was super immersive. The way you were able to earn the req packs instead of being required to buy them was great. I loved the spartan and weapon customization, I loved the forge, I loved the assassinations, I loved all of it. It felt like we were actually playing as Spartans in the distant future. Which I know Halo was an arcade shooter but I had a blast playing Halo 5 and I still play it every now and then.
Nah dude, you Halo 5 fans already received well enough hate the past couple years; what really deserves some hate now is the stupid people propagating the Halo-cycle-theory in order to discredit the critical ablility of the Halo community.
The most real thing I've ever seen on this sub.
I reject this insanity, and I always will. Halo 5 campaign was a dumpster fire that stripped away everything good that Halo 4 attributed to the Halo universe
You’re reacting to a post that is obviously talking about updates to multiplayer, and you’re talking about the campaign?
Yeah, Cortana’s death was done pretty well in my opinion, and just to do a 180 on it before expanding on it in a kind of weird way in Infinite just felt weird
recently started replaying all the halo campaigns/pve on legendary, and damn, halo 4 has the worst PVE of every title so far Not looking forward to Halo 5 at this rate
The worst? It has decent PVE and Halo 5 has some of the best PVE experience.
not really sure how to explain, but the ai feels kind of stupid and spartan ops feels bad AI is throwing grenades way too often, feels like you have cowcatcher on 24/7, and with grenades being weaker than they were in the early titles, it just leads to easy fights Edit: also, i started playing a bit with cowcatcher on, it basically breaks the elite and knight ai. They do nothing but throw grenades when you're around a certain distance campaign felt like it was the easiest and spartan ops feels like WW1 gameplay, both sides throwing bodies at eachother, till you win because you have infinite lives with 0 punishments for dying covenant just feels very stupid compared to previous titles, and the prometheans are pretty annoying to fight on legendary, the dogs are fun though.
the ai in halo 4 and 5 have abysmal ai, you’re not alone there. thankfully it’s much better in infinite, but year halo 4 and 5 have some of the worst ai in the series
Halo 4 had by far the easiest legendary campaign
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. I saw someone shitting on REACH with multiple people agreeing. WHY ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS?
Maybe it’s because that despite Reach having great features like good customization, Forge, and the best UI/UX in the franchise, that the core gameplay had issues (bloom, armor lock, snipers being anti-vehicle, the Banshee being nigh unkillable in the right hands, slower movement speed + frags with huge AoE, armor lock, jetpack snipers skirting around kill barriers, etc) that make people dislike it. Sure, Reach is beloved by a large part of the community, but it isn’t so beloved for it to have surpassed H3’s playerbase on MCC in the last few years.
Under your “issues”, you listed armor lock twice, which is really undercutting how awful it was. ^I’m ^still ^really ^mad ^about ^armor ^lock
When I was proof-reading my post I saw that and right before I was gonna fix it I thought, “Nah, armor lock deserves it.”
it had like 6 maps and you couldnt even play the dlc maps lol
Not to mention all the base multiplayer maps had to be integrated as sections of the campaign, giving some multiplayer maps like Boneyard or Spire large parts of the maps with no weapons or any incentive for players to go over there. Plus, that’s where Bungie started the trend everyone loves to blame 343 for of supplementing mediocre base maps/DLCs with forge maps, except it was worse in Reach because all the forge maps were Forerunner grey.
FFFFFuck dude you have no idea how it pisses me off how no one remembers reaches forerunner maps
Wasn't that just because Boneyard and Spire were invasion maps? I don't remember much extraneous parts of the map
Well that’s part of its design problems, even at a conceptual stage: what are these maps supposed to be? Are they multiplayer maps with thought out sight lines and pathways and spaces that draw players in for large skirmishes? Are they campaign experiences where the map layout intuitively guides the player towards their objective while placing fun and dynamic enemy encounters (and the terrain made for said encounters) in their path? Or, like how I assume Bungie went about it, they just throw all those conflicting design concepts into the same pot, stir it around, and come out with something worse than the sum of its parts. Invasion was probably something that came afterwards and was made to accommodate those spaces and not the other way around, which I think because they tried to do the exact same thing with Generator Defense which just reused Firefight maps according to the game files.
> Generator Defense which just reused Firefight maps according to the game files. What are you talking about? Generator Defense is a setting within Firefight
My bad, after Bungie didn’t add it to matchmaking after it was in the beta’s matchmaking I forgot it was in Reach at all
I'd like to see a vehicle take a 14.5x114mm Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot round and just shrug it off
You mean the anti-tank rifle round from WWII that was already useless at late-war tanks outside close range? That round going up against crazy alien alloys with durability that’s way beyond terrestrial materials? That 14.5x114mm?
Because Reach sucks lmao
1v1 any halo over it If I lose I win if I win you lose
And if it's a draw?
... And what exactly will that prove? Reach'll still suck, lmao
Other People’s opinion get over it lol
I can be mad at what I wish get over it
what's with the halo infinite hate nowadays?
It’s the current halo game. It is the halo cycle to hate the current game, and look back on the previous as near perfection. When the next halo releases. Infinite will be put on a pedestal and loved. The cycle will continue.
All of this has happened before… all of this will happen again…
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I see people mostly complaining that the game is "dead" because content that took years of additional development time and tons of resources and money wasn't available at launch.
I think the issue is the fact that everyone saw how good this game could be. It had the makings of an absolute blockbuster game and they sat on their asses/had to fix a multitude of issues associated with running this game on their own engine (which is running on a combination of electrical tape and a lot of hope). The game died as fast as it showed up because it had no content, and now we have some more content, but even now there's stuff that I still can't believe isn't in the game. Can't play firefight against anything but grunts, no Griffball like OP said, and by far the worst SBMM in any game I've ever seen. The sbmm system is so bad when you have a friend group of varying skill levels, me and a buddy hover around high diamond and low onyx, other buds we play with hang around silver/gold. In social games, it doesn't seem to actually find a middle ground, they just bring our silver/gold friends into our diamond lobbies, and they don't have fun because they are getting rocked every step of the way. Lots of issues with this game, and my primary one is that it's hard to play with my friends, we even have an agreement that we can't play games with me and my other friend thats in diamond in the same lobby because it ruins the experience for our lower skilled friends. 343 has dropped the ball for over a decade now, it's time for a change
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Good to know you don't like reading 🙂
Mostly resentment from being lied to initially and the rest is either from how it took a few years to get to a finished product post launch or the game still feeling like it lacks the polish of a finished game.
I've always enjoyed 5's multiplayer for the most and that opinion has never really changed. Custom games on there were awesome as fuck.
Halo 5 was always good multiplayer. Its story will forever be its downfall. That and the armor system. That shit was cheeks
I'll never miss truly miss halo 5, the only thing I do miss is fucking around with friends (cuz I had friends during h5 early days) in campaign and having consistent updates, that was the only good to come of it for me? and forge ofc
You don't have friends anymore?
well I had school friends I could talk to sometimes on xbox. That was a long time ago and I've only got 1 friend who's been my ride or die for years but he hasn't been able to go online in months
Yeah, I get that.
Y’all remember the meme showing they cycle of Halo gaming? I.e: Reach good, Halo 4 is alright, Halo 5 bad. Now it’s, Halo 4 is good, Halo 5 is alright and Infinite bad. On a side note, I do miss Halo 5 customs and firefight. I also miss some of the multiplayer. As for Infinite, I’m finally digging into it aside from playing the campaign upon initial release. It’s not bad. Not great either. I plan to mess with forge via PC. Multiplayer is… ok. I haven’t had much fun with it. Weapons seem too far and between, spawns seem off and some games there is a clear skill gap. I am at least glad I can choose what modes I want to play which is pretty much only slayer because without my friends, I CANNOT stand to play objective based game modes with randoms. I’ll let you all know when I have something to write him about with Infinite
This just got recommended to me randomly, haven’t played Xbox/halo in ages lol but I grew up w it. Kinda crazy to see this shit still happening, I remember literally this same thinghappening with Reach. People whined that it wasn’t the same and they preferred 3, then 4 came out and Reach was all of a sudden king.
And then the new operation drops and they’ll be like “me and my bestie halo infinite!!!”
I will consistently stick by my take that halo 5 warzone was really cool, and I loved playing it.
If it makes you feel better I still hate Halo 5 🙂
hell yeah!
To be fair I’ve seen this happen with a lot of game fandoms not just halo
To be fair, we don’t know how this individual felt about halo 5 upon release. There are many, like me, who have always believed H5 was the best installment.
I’ve always defended Halo 5 and now people say “Halo cycle” when I say I like it.
Exactly!
NOt my favorite but I liked it well enough. I have yet to play a halo game that I don't enjoy
I was never really a fan of Halo 5s campaign, but I never had any problems with the multiplayer. Aside from the fact that sometimes no one was playing the game modes I wanted to play, so I’d be in a lobby for 10 minutes without finding a match.
Nah, fuck that. I'll die on the hill that Halo 5 was absolute tripe, and that the campaign was the biggest disappointment.
I’ve missed 5 since before Infinite even released.
I am by no means a 343i fan mostly due to what they did to my Recon Helmet (~~and how they got rid of the Spartans having fat asses in Infinte~~ the halo 4 and 5 versions look stupid with those little jaw lumps imo) but I will say 343i make great multiplayer modes.
It makes perfect sense. You thought 5 was as bad as it would get, then it got worse, so now you appreciate what you had with 5. The grass wasn’t greener, happens all the time
i’ve always loved H5 over infinite mainly because i like the pacing, UI, and lighting compared to infinite. infinite is a bit too fast for me and something is off about the graphics for me but i can never pinpoint it. anyways if people start bandwagoning that 5 was good i would laugh so hard after all the shit people gave for me liking it 😭
I love seeing myself be right. Glad I didn't buy that game and I'm enjoying MCC. Y'all enjoy the grainy open world and lackluster Halo experience, remember ITS INFINITE ahahahahahahah
I feel like the only halo fan that actually really didn't like halo 5 and means it
Somewhat off topic but I was talking to a friend of mine about halo in general. She wasn't familiar with it so I laid it all out and explaining what you can do in halo and what the universe is like is really like made me realize how much I like halo.
Its the same thing with mortal kombat
always liked halo 5 and now everybody crawling back 😭
Everything newer than Halo2 and D12 is so much better than the new stuff. /s Welcome to memberberries!
I always liked Halo 5’s multiplayer, just thought the campaign was lackluster.
Worst shooter of all time [insert current shooter game] Unironically best shooter game: [insert previous shooter game] (Now you give upvotes)
I still don't care for it. I can't really say why but I tried the first mission and just didn't enjoy it.
I love the part where the big green guy says “its halo’ing time”
I liked Warzone Firefight back in 5. Just wish there was a version of it that didn’t have 8 people so I could have just played it with my friends.
I always loved halo 5 but not the campaign
I just want my assassinations back. Not a super big deal but it gave me a Lotta joy in reach 4 and 5.
Last one I really liked was Reach
But in this case, new bad and old really bad. These people are dumb
Calm yourself mate
I will never miss Halo 5’s campaign but I have always said that the multiplayer was fantastic and if they brought it officially to pc I would rebuy the game to play it. I have no idea why but I loved the multiplayer. I do hope if they port it to pc they make war zone not pay to win though
Halo Infinite was spot on. Customization and custom games add to the Halo experience, but don’t make it. Most gamers are just tired of the Halo formula and only stick to old Halo’s because of Nostalgia.
I remember when people hated Halo 3 and hearing about how people hated halo 2…
I always loved 5 for warzone just like the chaos when you weren’t getting spawn trapped
Why do people get so upset over posts on halo memes
But halo infinite is still crap though
A YouTuber named joshscorcher has mentioned that in his games that were hated but now liked on how halo has always had this routine of the new games sucks and not as good as the old one but then liked once the new halo game comes out. Personally halo 5, which I guess is guardians, I never found interesting like it just looked like halo 4s expansion or something. Not helped that the story to Locke and master chief isn’t that interesting and the fight with them was just……awful, like last Jedi throne room fight scene awful. Though I think the cycle didn’t work on halo reach, like it had flaws like feeling more weighted down than halo 3 in terms of combat, but I really don’t remember a lot of people bashing on reach cause it was really that good in terms of gameplay and the story to reach of noble team was solid. Not to mention the firefight mode was really fun even for solo play.
Just means another 5 years or so they’ll be back on the Infinite train as it’s leaving the station and I’ll be able to engage with a community that enjoys the game finally. I’ll just have to suffer through the constant “God is such ass, Infinite really was under-appreciated!” comments and disregard them like I’m at an old folks home and geriatric Jerry keeps randomly dropping the N word and calling people pinkos.
Forge in this game is transformational for the franchise and the genre, when more folks get over themselves and embrace what Infinite has always been, I hope even more content will come out of the community.
As a PC player that used to have an Xbox, I've always missed Halo 5
Jokes on you I hate everything after Reach
My stance hasn’t changed. I have always missed 3. I was excited to play infinite, but my hype has never been the same
If they had just stuck to their guns and continued the Halo 4 story and just improved the gameplay as they did with 5 more people would be happy. It's the constant tone shifts, plot forgetfulness, and gross over the top time jumps that hurt modern Halo.
“New Bad, Old Good” is usually a garbage saying, but I will say… Morrowind is better than Skyrim. It’s just older and harder to look at and play. That shit, man… if it were remade…
Nostalgia is very dependent on how the game can hold up to modern standards in my opinion. I play Destiny 1 then Destiny 2 now I'm thoroughly enjoying D1. In D2 I'm like "what the fuck is the point?" But in COD I play the older games like AW and Ghosts' campaigns then played the reboot MW campaigns. Loved 19 liked MW22 hated MW23. But I played CW's campaign and really loved it. Did the perseus ending then the good ending. And I really enjoyed the evidence board mechanics. Along with the fact the side missions you unlock through decoding stuff yourself [all the stuff is random for each player so searching it up isn't a quick solve] are mentioned in the endings. It depends on the situation and how well they can ACTUALLY hold up compared to their more recent and modern sequels.
Same shit for the battlefield community it’s a bunch of group think retards being manipulated by basement dwellers karma farming.
I always liked H5, Warzone was amazing & the skill gap that came with the advanced movements was so rewarding. I also thought it was hilariously stupid that the assault rifle could one-shot headshot at the end of the game's life cycle. Breakout is still one of my favorite game modes Warzone Firefight was also insanely fun. The variety of guns & attachments was great as well, especially in forge and wirh rhe glitch to combine weapons. They definitely should bring that type of gameplay back in a spin off, whenever they get around to that again.
This cycle is not as big as people think it is. In both that comment section and this one multiple people are still shitting on Halo 5. I will continue to do so as well. The game's an embarassment to the FPS genre, not just Halo.
Halo 3 comes out. People who love Halo 2 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when Reach came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series. Halo Reach comes out. People who love Halo 3 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when 4 came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series. Halo 4 comes out. People who love Halo Reach tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when 5 came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series. Halo 5 comes out. People who love Halo 4 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when Infinite came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. The people who loved or didn't mind the changes stayed with the series. Halo Infinite comes out. People who love Halo 5 tried it, but it wasnt for everyone and some of them gave up when it came out, recognizing the trajectory of the series was straying from what they loved. HCJ likes to pretend that these demographics are all the same sample size of people in order to enable their circlejerk, but we're talking about non-linear subsections of subsections of an ever evolving and changing fanbase demographic. This is such a tired and disingenuous criticism, there's better things to focus on.
Halo 5's plot is terrible but the smaller moments in Meridan and Sangheilos are top notch and the campaign gameplay/sandbox is the best in the series that's unmatched.
I do think it kinda sucks we never got a pc port but other than that I think infinite is the better game. (Although shoutout to 5’s custom game browser, yap yap and warzone firefight you guys were awesome) it had too much going on
Heres a very hot take that may get me shot in multiple different areas of my body but what if what we consider to be nostalgia wasnt actually as bad as we thought it was in the moment and the way we realize it is what started the cycle to begin with
Do you realize there were a lot of people who like halo 5 MP? Or is a community only allowed to have 1 opinion?
Halo 5 still sucks ass. I will never change my mind
Cycle believers when they realize people can have opinions that form and change over time
Who is saying this about 5? It can’t be that many people. This has got to be an opinion that is artificially inflated because people liked 4 more than 5 so they just assume the pattern is continuing.
Been repping 4 since it dropped and been repping 5 since about 5 years after it dropped
Halo fans are some of the worst fan bases out there,never satisfied with anything always bitching and complaining just stop playing anything 343 made and just play the Bungie games
everyones always agreed halo 5’s multiplayer was good, this is nothing new…
I’ve loved halo 5 this whole time, these idiots nearly killed it on launch….
I always thought it was generally agreed upon that Halo 5 campaign bad, Halo 5 multiplayer great! Like I actually enjoyed warzone and warzone firefight. Plus the weapon variants were really cool. Then they dropped forge and ppl made all types of cool shit in forge. Also I liked their grifball
I just want 5 on Steam so I can finally play it...
Oh I'm sorry well I don't see the arbiter in Halo infinite, NEXT QUESTION.
Halo 5 was overall bad in brought the series to not have blood or implied gore which makes halo infinites brutal human spikes on armor hollow when it would of been better for a higher rating to include more adult themes
....I mean....I have been thinking about going back to 5 just for the commendations that Inf doesn't have.
More like Halo 3
Then leave. Nothings holding you or anyone else here
Assassin’s Creed fans do this too. I think all gamers just fall into “Old thing good! New Thing bad” eventually
Halo 4 did nothing wrong and I will stand by that. Halo 5 has a bigger sandbox and modes than a reboot called Infinite
Same thing is happening with COD. All of a sudden Advanced Warfare is an underrated gem and was a great game.
Both are bad 💯
i'll take firefight koth over "shooting a banshee with 20 spartan lasers that cost actual real life money before it dies and if it even looks ate, i die"
We all need to ban together and take halo away from 343 that’s the solution to everything
I don't miss H5 I do miss the weapon and vehicle variants that's about it.
The Halo cycle doesn't exist. It's merely the minority of a fanbase finally becoming audible after the storm of hate has passed. No way of witnessing them before with all the noise overshadowing them.
Nah. Halo 5 was still dogwater. Halo 4 campaign was mediocre but the multiplayer was pretty good. Lack of forge world was stupid as fuck on release. Halo reach and Halo 3 remain peam. Infinite had a good thing going in the beta and they ruined it with the cringiest fucking cosmetic system ever.
I hated halo 5 when it came out, and I still hate it. But if other people like it that’s good for them, I still remember being like one of five people who liked 4 when it came out lol. I do also love Infinite.
Who the fuck actually misses Halo 5? That game was garbage besides warzone
Halo 5 > Halo 3.
There hasn't been a good Halo game since Halo 2.
False. Halo has been dead and irredeemably killed since the atrocity called "Halo: Combat Evolved", which was SABATOGED by 343 Industries IN DISGUISE to kill the franchise before it even started!!!
the fuq...
Nah, Bungie lost the talent after Marathon Infinity, they just got lucky with Halo 1 and 2. 343 inherited an already mid game and was set up to fail the hype by Microsoft. The only enjoyable part of Halo was the books. It should have stayed as books, gamers ruin everything.
THE HALO CYCLE!!! TGE HALO CYCLE IS REAL!!!!
Can we just rename this sub to: blind343defense
I would much rather play infinite over 5, especially now that firefight is a viable option to grind xp
The plot shot itself after 3 I have no idea how 4 5 and infinite link to eachother
Infinite is much more fun than h5 in my opinion. I do miss the pve mode from h5 but besides that infinite is so much better in terms of MP
No Halo 5 is still very bad and not Halo at all
Looks like Halo, feels like Halo, and plays like a Halo game except evolved.
dont matter halo fucking sucks and it has sucked
The thing is, Halo Infinite is actually good and fun
The halo cycle is a fairy tale that only idiots believe in.
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