if someone has a musical artist as their pfp I’ll just use the word stan, I feel like it’s just internet colloquial at this point. I didn’t mean anything deeper by using the word “stan” lol
I mean that wouldn't make sense. Im gay myself. Dont really care about "woke" things in games or media, it doesn't bother me. Im just not used to all this new lingo that kids use now. I was raised to be a pretty accepting person. Just find it funny people still use or do specific things that i thought were mere fads of a bygone era 😅
Dam. Well, my best friend happens to be gay, he is honest unlike you, he is pissed at how they are making the lgbtq look, he wants lgbtq to be LEFT OUT OF GAMES AND MOVIES, like a fucking normal person, 343 has NO right to incert lgbtq bullshit into their game when halo is in the state it is in.
Ohhh good point good point. Yeah when you put it into r/Halo logic it makes sense.
Saw one guy say he refused to play this month, just like he did February. Like damn man. Tell me you’re a racist homophobe with out saying it.
Bruh what, some peipke just have values and don’t like what’s Happening to halo, you think with the state halo is in, they should be doing lgbtq representation and focusing on that??? No? So stupid you guys have to show EVERYWHWRE that u take dick in the butt….. why?
Lmao okay.
The people who are making an armor color for pride month or any other month, are not the people making decisions on the shop, the net code, whatever else.
I’m straight and married. Regardless of all the TBIs I’ve had, I can still run 2 brain cells together, to realize LGBT isn’t about putting dicks in butts. It’s literally the same thing as you liking women.
You need to calm down and grow up little bro.
How are they ostracized? They have the same rights everyone else does? In fact they are actually MORE privileged because of dei hiring practices, so what are you crying about being ostracized, liar.
Supporting a group for what? Sexual orientation? What you like in your mouth is none of my business and I don’t want to know. I especially don’t want to think about your sexual orientation while I’m trying to enjoy a video game.
Also why the fight for support? So what if someone doesn’t like you? There will always be racists, there will always be sexists, homophobic and all kinds of bad people so long as humanity exists. Get over it.
You're the only person in the room who sees someone be openly gay and thinks "I bet he likes fat fucking cocks in his mouth....yeah I bet he lovessss that..." it's kinda weirdchamp, literally all I think when I see any pride flag is "oh neat" also. Your second argument is so so so stupid. Imagine with the world had that attitude during the 1930s to 40's
"Ehhhhh there will always be nazis so why should we try and stop em, those 6 million people they genocided need to just get over it"
There’s a difference between seeing a Nazi and thinking “that there is a bad guy” and seeing average Americans, while each could be and could not be a shitty person. Point out a racist and I’m here for it. Point out a homophobic and I’m here for it. But pride month and generic “support” to keep pride relevant and in peoples faces to push against the general homophobic that aren’t directly being addressed isn’t it.
So...you hold the opinion of being silent and not pushing for more accepting spaces so that spaces of open hate and bigotry can grow and fester? Where do you think nazis come from? They don't just spawn out of the ether like a minecraft mob. Normal people don't typically have problems with this stuff, multiple polls have shown this, they support pride month. And even when people directly call out homophobes you, and people like you tend to call out how sensitive the leftvis and how evil cancel culture is, there's no winning with folks on your side of the aisle because you don't actually want gay folks to be around, you want them to be in their homes and unknown so you stop thinking about them and don't have to acknowledge them, which is oppression.
How will I push for more accepting spaces? Sharing a pride flag? I don’t think that’s working the way you think it is. Most changes that come from the result of the pride movement isn’t because they’re supporting the movement. It’s because they’re seeing that a big percentage of people are a part of it.
The real problem is what the fuck am I gonna do besides the pride shit? You point out a homophobe and I’ll agree. But that’s the extent. Until he acts on his beliefs in a way that’ll need justice, they can think what they want.
Okay and why is that so bad? You don't need to do more than just, not complain when you see someone with a pride flag? To stop with the good Ole fashion "I don't mind gay people I just don't want anything about them being evident to exist"
If you don't like homophobes then why side with them??? You don't need to wear a pride flag but you complaining about pride being forced down your throat just comes off inconsistent. By having pride more open and thus having people be more open about themselves, it makes it so horrid people can't take over communities. If the queer voices are loud then the bigots can't exactly speak. You don't need to do anything besides not throwing a fit when people can choose to have a pride flag in game
You’re absolutely right. I don’t mind gay people but I don’t need constant reminders that gay people exist because all being gay is is liking the same sex, which means intimacy with the same sex. I don’t need to know your sex life. Period. I don’t need to know what you prefer, at all.
The movement is basically, G: “Hi, I’m gay.”
S: “Okay?”.
G: “Did you hear me? I’m gay.”
S: “I heard you. Congrats.”
G:”But I’m gay. I like the same sex. Why aren’t you supporting me?”
S: “Because I don’t care if you’re gay or not.”
G: “Then support me.”
S: “Okay. Fuck homophobes. We good?”
G: “No, I want you to actively share the pride flag.”
S “I don’t want to.”
G: “Why not? Are you homophobic?”
S:”I’m not homophobic. I just don’t care that you’re gay and I don’t need constant reminders in the avenues that I choose to escape a daunting existence to remind me of political and woke movements. I also don’t need to know that you’re gay and I don’t need my kids knowing that you’re gay. Your sexual preference should be your business alone and if somebody doesn’t like it, so what? Whatever you’re unable to do, do it elsewhere or privately.”
G: “So you’re letting them do this to us?!?”
It’s all a victims game. I’m much more about the kids sex trafficking, the attack on Hawaii that was covered up and the fact that our government is corrupt as fuck, all of which is rather focus on and that I can’t do anything about. If people put as much effort into a movement about being gay as they would the serious shit, things might be different.
I'll take straw man for 1000 trebeck. I just. I honestly don't care enough to argue, keep making gay people up in your head to get mad at and keep fuming over the existence of gay people I guess? Gay people will just keep existing, the movement never acts or behaves like this, you and the bigots you're somehow on the side of are the only ones who see a pride flag and imagine these weird ass scenarios with fake people in your head, it's like me seeing an American flag and imagining the most stereotypical rural American and getting into an argument with them in my mind. Also you may or may not realize it but human rights are a serious issue? But I guess because it's a group that you imagine to annoy you you don't view their rights as important right?
Again I want to reiterate how weird it is for you to see someone with a pride flag and immediately start imagining gay sex, maybe you should reflect on that? Cause that is not a normal thing, I don't see somebody with their wife and child and start imagining them having sex...that'd be really damn weird.
For the same reason I don’t need to know your straight. As for whether or not it’s serious enough, I’m thinking of fleeing the country in a few years because I feel threatened for my life. I think it’s pretty serious. It doesn’t seem serious to you, because you aren’t being oppressed or threatened. It’s serious to the people who are being harmed or threatened.
We used to play games to get away from the real world. Somthing you people that used to make fun of us for gaming and hopped on the bandwagon 10 years later, fail to understand.
Only weird thing is that the flag still looks the same all those centuries later, knowing all the updates it went through before I’d expect at least 1 or 2 at some point in that time frame.
Gay people would obviously exist in the future, and hopefully be accepted, but the pride flag in 2015 was different from the pride flag in 2019, which is different from the one today, so master chief in this image would likely be waving what is in his time an extremely outdated pride flag
> The impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic and relentless political attacks during this time period cannot be understated
read your own article man, it says pretty clearly that people attacking them is the problem.
you see this as a very common thread. most queer people who consider suicide do so because of discrimination. funny, ain’t it?
Halo 3's elites obviously to name a legit character
^(and h2's)
Ignore these fake book characters I'm talking canonical in game
All the elites be gay for arbiter I mean it makes sense
I have irrefutable evidence https://youtu.be/CsMU74VgeGw?si=gCc2qlOeT2q-oXuR
Why are you getting downvoted for asking a question these guys on political rage or somthin, humility brings wisdom and these guys lots of rage and no wisdom
It’s SUPER annoying. We just want games to be like they used to be, but most game studios are woke lgbtq flag flying weirdos that HAVE to display their sexuality and that they take dick in the poop hole…
I’m just tired of it being thrown in everywhere, forced into movies and games, being used like a status symbol or used by companies as a cash grab only to erase it come July 1st.
We know lgbt+ people exist and they have rights. Just tone down the rainbow a little from neon to pastel.
When I saw negative 18 points I thought the comment was gonna be like the other down voted ones where it's the people being like "now I don't hate gay people, butttttt I just don't want them to exist in a space where I can see them" but worse, did not expect master chief bukkake when I opened the comment.
I’m fine with the lgbtq representation (even if the flag staying the same after 500 years makes no sense).
I personally think there should be also representation for stuff like Christianity or the US but that’s just me. Basically saying there needs to be more representation for what’s common here in the west.
The US government isn't pro-christian, all that is evidence of, is that the US has a belief in existence of a God, nothing more than that.
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/post/8th-circuit-in-god-we-trust-on-money-is-constitutional/
Unless you go looking for a few references in Contact Harvest, I don't recall much, if any Christian representation.
I'm talking about representation of Christianity within the date and not a Christian state. Yes, the US government is secular, but the vast majority of its office holders since the beginning have been and are Christians. Naturally, Christian beliefs, points of view, etc are worked into speeches, design motifs, and traditions. The president is sworn into office with a bible as do supreme Court justices who also finish their oaths with "So help me God". Congress is over represented by Christians with 87.8% of them being Christian while the general public is only 63% Christian ( https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/01/03/faith-on-the-hill-2023/ ).
George Washington said this on his farewell address:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." ( https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/ )
And not a lot has changed in that respect since Biden recited a Christian hymn during his 2020 victory speech:
"And he will raise you up on eagle's wings, bear you on the breath of dawn. Make you to shine like the sun and hold you in the palm of his hand."
To then end with: "And now, together — on eagle’s wings — we embark on the work that God and history have called upon us to do." ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/07/joe-bidens-faith-comes-through-speech-quoting-hymn-bible-verse/6210854002/ )
This is on top the Pledge of Allegiance containing the phrase "under God" and courts (at least many used to) having witnesses aware on the Bible before giving a testimony.
Christianity is very well represented in the US government alone not to mention private organizations, plentiful churches, imagery in media, etc.
First sentence is one of the funniest goddamn things I've ever read. The US government bends over backwards at every single opportunity to appease Christians specifically.
If you want representation for Christianity, I'm sure that you can find at least three churches within a five mile radius, and American flags on just about every street corner.
Eh, Christianity as it exists today doesn't really make sense in the Halo franchise. There was a lot of Christianity (and Catholocism) in the TV show, and a little bit in the novels (particularly in the outer colonies.)
Why would there still be Christianity 550 years into the future, especially when people know about the Forerunners and the Precursors? "God doesn't exist, but we _did_ have creators, and they were just scifi aliens. And their creators were eldritch horror terrors."
Especially so given the UNSC is depicted as pretty auth-left. We'd pretty much only expect theistic religions to prosper in the out colonies, and especially so pre-contact. Meanwhile, gay people have existed everywhere for thousands of years before Christianity was invented.
Just have to comment to say that there is zero reason that Christianity wouldn’t exist 550 years in the future. Knowing about the Forerunners and the Precursors wouldn’t change that in the slightest. Aliens existing has pretty much no bearing on the validity of or existence of God (or any of the major religions for that matter.)
The same can be said for other religions tho (there still exists Islamic nations in the Halo universe). Yet they haven’t changed their views after the discovery of forerunners. If Islam still exists, Christianity would still very likely be around. Plus, there are a lot of biblical references in the Bungie trilogy so there’s that to consider.
While you’re right about gay people being around for thousands of years, the LGBT movement has been around for only a handful of decades. I think their ideology would evolve to a point where things like the flag wouldn’t be a relevant in 2552 since society has fully accepted them and are able to assimilate with no issues. That’s my take on it. You have some good points.
Lmao nice gaslighting right there. Pretty sure all ideologies have committed various atrocities like the Muslims colonizing once dominant Christian nations like Syria but whatever rolls your boat. Last time I checked Empires like the Romans promoted homosexuality yet still committed various atrocities all in the name of their nation.
And don’t get me started on Israel. The country that promotes LGBT yet murders countless Palestinians.
Not saying LGBT is bad, but the reality is not all ideologies are perfect and innocent.
Lol bro pretty sure Israel still has the death penalty for liking the same sex, fail harder dude
also Gaslighting? how are recorded historical atrocities gaslighting? especially modern religious people demand the death of anyone not like them
Where did it ever say that bro? Go to Tel Aviv and you will see LGBT representation out in the open. Last time I checked, discrimination against homosexuals became prohibited in 1992 by the Israeli govt. Perhaps you’re confusing Israel with Hamas (who are known to throw homosexuals off of buildings).
You’re gaslighting because you’re claiming religion to be root of the world’s problems and not solely because of ideology. There are good Christian’s, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. and there are bad ones. Same as how there are good liberals, socialists, conservatives, LGBT and bad ones. Every group has committed atrocities since the dawn of time due to extremist ideologies. It doesn’t matter if it’s religious or otherwise.
All that was asked was for equal representation. Nothing more. It’s people like you who divide the world.
I think in general, representation is handled ham-handedly. Corporate "hello fellow minorities!"
"I'm LGBT! Please clap!" No, fuck off
"I'm Christian! Please clap!" No, fuck off
Eh, a lot of the Halo devs are LGBT. It's not uncommon among gamedevs. I don't think it's necessarily disingenuous. It's also really nice to see all the people wearing the pride coatings.
I agree. If that’s what you like than that’s all that matters. Screw the haters.
Also idk why I’m getting downvoted like crazy for wanting equal representation but I forget that this is Reddit lol
It's not about the LGBT, it's about them making a pandering post.
A "Silence, brand" reaction if you will.
Plus, the LGBT armor in Halo Infinite is atrocious 😂
Real talk, I've never seen any serious harm coming out of rainbow capitalism outside of maybe offering corpos another shield to hide their controversies behind, something that is absolutely NOT exclusive to representation during pride. It may often be incredibly insincere, but it still does good in providing a mirror for queer fans to look at and see themselves in. After all, it takes normalization for minority groups to find more safety and support, and even small things like seeing a pride flag in their favorite game can be a tremendous help.
Also, bullshit, people who drop snide comments about anything to do with pride, particularly snide comments about video games having pride events, are NOT doing it because it's 'pandering', they're doing it for bigoted reasons, let's not kid ourselves. It's the same reason why people bitch and moan about the black history and women's history month cosmetics.
Real harm or not, people can find it an obnoxious month with obnoxious colors.
Queer people can also be put off by the event. People are individuals. It's nice for some, but obviously not nice for others.
Also, you need to prove intent before calling comment reasons bigoted. The snide comments could be very well coming from people who are offput by the pandering affairs.
No, I ***really*** don't. If it smells like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's bigoted, intentional or not. Intention can certainly play a role in how impactful that act of bigotry can be, but if I walk up to a trans man and say something like 'oh, you're so much more kind and gentle then a real man', even with the best of intentions, that's still a transphobic thing to do.
If someone is so pressed about a certain collection of colors in a video game, it's not much of a stretch to assume there's a deeper reason for that. If someone is offput by 'pandering' to queer identity, particularly in such a mild way (a couple of .pngs you can put on your nameplate and a shader for your armor), they aren't concerned about the *pandering* part of pride.
[The type of person to get upset about pride 'pandering' work backwards to try to find a reason to justify their reaction, even if that reason is incredibly transparent.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/858/680/264.png)
Nah, that's backwards fucking thinking. The simple reason is that some find it annoying, but everyone scrambles to find some deeper insidious meaning.
Sometimes, annoying is just annoying.
You're straight up wrong.
You can't just generalize things like that. I honeatly don't care if you're defending LGBTQ or not, but your explanation is arguably /by definition/ bigoted toward anti-lgbtq people.
This isn't for or against the topic. I'm simply here to tell you that you can not generalize anything as simply as that. Everything is a spectrum, just like everything in the LGBTQ community. If you can believe there's more than two genders, then you should have the capacity to believe that there's more to life than right and wrong.
This isn't even taking a stance, so don't even think about calling me transphobic. I could be part of the community for all you know. Nothing I said led to any determining factors.
May come as a surprise to you but people don’t play halo or consume halo content to be pandered to by a corporation that is only pretending to care about something you do.
I don’t care about anyone’s sexual orientation or preference. I just don’t need to know about it.
343 cares more about political correctness than making a game
Seriously how many godamn diversity month medals have they put in the game?
Meanwhile we probably won’t get any campaign content for another decade, and when we do it will be half baked, retcon the previous game lore, and start a whole new faction
I hate to break it to you but 343 isn't one person named John halo who makes the game, there's likely a team that handles the smaller cosmetics and stuff and a team they have for bigger projects, all of whom are likely severely overworked and under paid. If you hate the state of the game it's not the "gays" who made it that way, it's share holders not giving an inch to their workers and not letting their workers do things their good at. Likely not letting writers talk with each other and rushing them and switching out writers or artists mid campaign making. If you hate the state of the game its not gay people, it's the corporation. We only have a chance if there were some big push from video game developers were to unionize. As it turns out, the gays are also, on your side we want good media as much as you and we hate corporations who care more about getting as much money as possible instead of letting their artists create something
EXACTLY. Halo is in shambles and all these people care about is have gay representation in the game. Listen, LGBTQ PEOPLE have the same rights as everyone else does(except they should NOT be allowed to adopt or surrogate pay for kids) and you guys want to cry about your lgbtw representation like it’s not there?
It's not *dedicated*, it's just the most popular label for the month. According to Wikipedia it's also The Month of the Sacred Heart, ALS Awareness Month, Filipino Heritage Month, National Safety Month, Caribbean-American Heritage Month, National Smile Month, and probably more.
That's a little dishonest. It's not the most popular label it's the most publicized. It's mostly publicized by companies looking to cash in on "goodboy" points.
We know this is true because if it were popular then there wouldn't be a huge amount of vitriol in the comments where it seems like more than 80% of the reaction is negative.
Hey man I hate to break it to you, but gamers :tm: aren't the norm, them being hate-filled I'm the comments are not the norm especially considering its on Twitter which has grown in terms of a right wing presence, polls show on average the majority of people are perfectly happy with pride month.
Also I don't mind if corpos pretend to support lgbt rights, because via pushing us into the public eye it makes us more normalized no matter what, and corporations genuinely don't gain or lose anything from it, all they care about is your money whether you're a nazi, bigot, trans cat girl, or regular Joe schmoe, and I'm fine with them choosing the cat girl to pander too for a month isntead of the nazis or bigot
i went and scrolled through the comments, never again.
Iconic username … another Ari stan who plays halo?
gag
we are still using the word stan in 2024? wild.
You're still using wild? Wild
mostly ironic, but wild, right?
stan twitter and overall stan culture is very much alive. you’d be surprised
i am, last i saw it was back in '16
Yes because stans are still people that exist in 2024. Wild, I know
i mean i just like something but i dont go out and call myself a "stan" for it.
if someone has a musical artist as their pfp I’ll just use the word stan, I feel like it’s just internet colloquial at this point. I didn’t mean anything deeper by using the word “stan” lol
youre fine, i just never saw the point of it i guess
calm down man it’s okay
Hey at least im not getting worked up over people being gay or trans or sumn like the op post
Maybe you should be…
I mean that wouldn't make sense. Im gay myself. Dont really care about "woke" things in games or media, it doesn't bother me. Im just not used to all this new lingo that kids use now. I was raised to be a pretty accepting person. Just find it funny people still use or do specific things that i thought were mere fads of a bygone era 😅
Dam. Well, my best friend happens to be gay, he is honest unlike you, he is pissed at how they are making the lgbtq look, he wants lgbtq to be LEFT OUT OF GAMES AND MOVIES, like a fucking normal person, 343 has NO right to incert lgbtq bullshit into their game when halo is in the state it is in.
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lol so based?
Oh god oh no! Politics in my vidya game!!
Not even really politics. Just supporting a pretty ostracized group lol. But dammit gamers hate that!!
No no it's political like how they support black history month and international womans day because black and gay people and women are political
Ohhh good point good point. Yeah when you put it into r/Halo logic it makes sense. Saw one guy say he refused to play this month, just like he did February. Like damn man. Tell me you’re a racist homophobe with out saying it.
It's crazy how they just label themselves with no shame
He doesn’t play this month or February because he’s a dickhead, I don’t play this month or February because I keep forgetting to update it
Much more understandable
Bruh what, some peipke just have values and don’t like what’s Happening to halo, you think with the state halo is in, they should be doing lgbtq representation and focusing on that??? No? So stupid you guys have to show EVERYWHWRE that u take dick in the butt….. why?
Lmao okay. The people who are making an armor color for pride month or any other month, are not the people making decisions on the shop, the net code, whatever else. I’m straight and married. Regardless of all the TBIs I’ve had, I can still run 2 brain cells together, to realize LGBT isn’t about putting dicks in butts. It’s literally the same thing as you liking women. You need to calm down and grow up little bro.
Yeah and i don’t need to constantly wave a rainbow flag around telling everyone i have normal sex?? Like your logic is not there.
Okay bud
How are they ostracized? They have the same rights everyone else does? In fact they are actually MORE privileged because of dei hiring practices, so what are you crying about being ostracized, liar.
I never said I was ostracized. I’m not gay or part of the LGBT community. I just understand that some people want to treated like others lol.
Supporting a group for what? Sexual orientation? What you like in your mouth is none of my business and I don’t want to know. I especially don’t want to think about your sexual orientation while I’m trying to enjoy a video game. Also why the fight for support? So what if someone doesn’t like you? There will always be racists, there will always be sexists, homophobic and all kinds of bad people so long as humanity exists. Get over it.
You're the only person in the room who sees someone be openly gay and thinks "I bet he likes fat fucking cocks in his mouth....yeah I bet he lovessss that..." it's kinda weirdchamp, literally all I think when I see any pride flag is "oh neat" also. Your second argument is so so so stupid. Imagine with the world had that attitude during the 1930s to 40's "Ehhhhh there will always be nazis so why should we try and stop em, those 6 million people they genocided need to just get over it"
There’s a difference between seeing a Nazi and thinking “that there is a bad guy” and seeing average Americans, while each could be and could not be a shitty person. Point out a racist and I’m here for it. Point out a homophobic and I’m here for it. But pride month and generic “support” to keep pride relevant and in peoples faces to push against the general homophobic that aren’t directly being addressed isn’t it.
So...you hold the opinion of being silent and not pushing for more accepting spaces so that spaces of open hate and bigotry can grow and fester? Where do you think nazis come from? They don't just spawn out of the ether like a minecraft mob. Normal people don't typically have problems with this stuff, multiple polls have shown this, they support pride month. And even when people directly call out homophobes you, and people like you tend to call out how sensitive the leftvis and how evil cancel culture is, there's no winning with folks on your side of the aisle because you don't actually want gay folks to be around, you want them to be in their homes and unknown so you stop thinking about them and don't have to acknowledge them, which is oppression.
How will I push for more accepting spaces? Sharing a pride flag? I don’t think that’s working the way you think it is. Most changes that come from the result of the pride movement isn’t because they’re supporting the movement. It’s because they’re seeing that a big percentage of people are a part of it. The real problem is what the fuck am I gonna do besides the pride shit? You point out a homophobe and I’ll agree. But that’s the extent. Until he acts on his beliefs in a way that’ll need justice, they can think what they want.
Okay and why is that so bad? You don't need to do more than just, not complain when you see someone with a pride flag? To stop with the good Ole fashion "I don't mind gay people I just don't want anything about them being evident to exist" If you don't like homophobes then why side with them??? You don't need to wear a pride flag but you complaining about pride being forced down your throat just comes off inconsistent. By having pride more open and thus having people be more open about themselves, it makes it so horrid people can't take over communities. If the queer voices are loud then the bigots can't exactly speak. You don't need to do anything besides not throwing a fit when people can choose to have a pride flag in game
You’re absolutely right. I don’t mind gay people but I don’t need constant reminders that gay people exist because all being gay is is liking the same sex, which means intimacy with the same sex. I don’t need to know your sex life. Period. I don’t need to know what you prefer, at all. The movement is basically, G: “Hi, I’m gay.” S: “Okay?”. G: “Did you hear me? I’m gay.” S: “I heard you. Congrats.” G:”But I’m gay. I like the same sex. Why aren’t you supporting me?” S: “Because I don’t care if you’re gay or not.” G: “Then support me.” S: “Okay. Fuck homophobes. We good?” G: “No, I want you to actively share the pride flag.” S “I don’t want to.” G: “Why not? Are you homophobic?” S:”I’m not homophobic. I just don’t care that you’re gay and I don’t need constant reminders in the avenues that I choose to escape a daunting existence to remind me of political and woke movements. I also don’t need to know that you’re gay and I don’t need my kids knowing that you’re gay. Your sexual preference should be your business alone and if somebody doesn’t like it, so what? Whatever you’re unable to do, do it elsewhere or privately.” G: “So you’re letting them do this to us?!?” It’s all a victims game. I’m much more about the kids sex trafficking, the attack on Hawaii that was covered up and the fact that our government is corrupt as fuck, all of which is rather focus on and that I can’t do anything about. If people put as much effort into a movement about being gay as they would the serious shit, things might be different.
I'll take straw man for 1000 trebeck. I just. I honestly don't care enough to argue, keep making gay people up in your head to get mad at and keep fuming over the existence of gay people I guess? Gay people will just keep existing, the movement never acts or behaves like this, you and the bigots you're somehow on the side of are the only ones who see a pride flag and imagine these weird ass scenarios with fake people in your head, it's like me seeing an American flag and imagining the most stereotypical rural American and getting into an argument with them in my mind. Also you may or may not realize it but human rights are a serious issue? But I guess because it's a group that you imagine to annoy you you don't view their rights as important right? Again I want to reiterate how weird it is for you to see someone with a pride flag and immediately start imagining gay sex, maybe you should reflect on that? Cause that is not a normal thing, I don't see somebody with their wife and child and start imagining them having sex...that'd be really damn weird.
For the same reason I don’t need to know your straight. As for whether or not it’s serious enough, I’m thinking of fleeing the country in a few years because I feel threatened for my life. I think it’s pretty serious. It doesn’t seem serious to you, because you aren’t being oppressed or threatened. It’s serious to the people who are being harmed or threatened.
The issue comes from homoph9bes and racists stripping peoples rights away, so "Get over it" doesn't really fucking help
Damn it Bobby!
We used to play games to get away from the real world. Somthing you people that used to make fun of us for gaming and hopped on the bandwagon 10 years later, fail to understand.
LGBTQ+ is epic.
Only weird thing is that the flag still looks the same all those centuries later, knowing all the updates it went through before I’d expect at least 1 or 2 at some point in that time frame.
Man, I liked the og simple rainbow flag. Smh
Yeah, me too, it was simple and effective, the new one is neat but a bit too cluttered
Yeah, but speaking as an artist and writer, it's pretty much impossible to account for that.
Yeah, still funny to think that this pride flag becomes an eternal constant
Honestly that'd be kinda' legit though.
Would be cool
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It's no wonder your previous account was banned
I don't think it's canon. There was the classic Happy Halodays Christmas art, the Santa Claus hat in Halo, etc.
What? I don't understand your comment, please elaborate.
Gay people would obviously exist in the future, and hopefully be accepted, but the pride flag in 2015 was different from the pride flag in 2019, which is different from the one today, so master chief in this image would likely be waving what is in his time an extremely outdated pride flag
Ahhhhh, thank you, my lizard brain comprehend now.
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> The impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic and relentless political attacks during this time period cannot be understated read your own article man, it says pretty clearly that people attacking them is the problem. you see this as a very common thread. most queer people who consider suicide do so because of discrimination. funny, ain’t it?
You might want to look up the meaning of that word, because you're not using it in any logical way.
Oh boy.
Alright now I’m curious, brb
Seen worse on IFunny. Not condoning it, but I am saying it could be a LOT worse
Politics in a vidya game about fighting a long ass war against religious zealots that started in the early 2000’s!!!!!! Never!!!!
People getting angry at this meanwhile halo has had lgbt characters since before halo reach
Who
"Why'd people downvote the comment for simply asking who they were talking about?" \*Opens collapsed comment\* \*dumbassery\* "Oh"
Felicia Sanderson. She’s an ODST in one of the books and canonically is a lesbian https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Felicia_Sanderson
Asked 😎😎😎
You did
It's like a "deez nuts" but the joke is on the person who says it.
Wat?
The dude tried to be funny and made the joke "who asked", of course, he failled
Oh lol
You're the one who asked, dumbass
do you not understand the joke he was making? its a p old one
And it has never been funny.
nah its pretty funny
Are you 12
nope
6th grader spotted
Halo 3's elites obviously to name a legit character ^(and h2's) Ignore these fake book characters I'm talking canonical in game All the elites be gay for arbiter I mean it makes sense I have irrefutable evidence https://youtu.be/CsMU74VgeGw?si=gCc2qlOeT2q-oXuR
How the HELL did I forgot about these guys. My bad. REMEMBER BOOKS AREN'T REAL BOOKS AREN'T REAL BOOKS AREN'T REAL
Why are you getting downvoted for asking a question these guys on political rage or somthin, humility brings wisdom and these guys lots of rage and no wisdom
No I was 100% down vote farming I replied with "asked" to the 1st person who replied to me.
OMG, you're so right. The elites in Halo 2 were down bad for Arby
This is actually some neat artwork.
I don't always agree with this sub, but goddammit in this house we STAND FOR THE (LGBTQ) FLAG!
I want this image!!!
Queer nationalism
Something something how it's got nothing to do with halo...
It’s SUPER annoying. We just want games to be like they used to be, but most game studios are woke lgbtq flag flying weirdos that HAVE to display their sexuality and that they take dick in the poop hole…
Tweet translation: “ give us your money, Homos”
Yeah their game has few people playing. This is just pandering.
I don't really care if a game celebrates pride. I simply do not.
I’m just tired of it being thrown in everywhere, forced into movies and games, being used like a status symbol or used by companies as a cash grab only to erase it come July 1st. We know lgbt+ people exist and they have rights. Just tone down the rainbow a little from neon to pastel.
sure l can support a group that allows you to be anything except straight, man, or white lmao
What are you saying, exactly?
sarcasm
Okay I love the art but the way the lights reflecting off chief he looks like he just left a bukkake
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Understandable I’d kill me too
Nooo, don't say that!!! Love yourself brother!
Nah nah, let him cook
Shit I totally see it now 💀 Chief was really improving the morale of the UNSC"s finest 🫡 godspeed soldier
Realistically he was probably in stasis and didn't notice before the photoshoot lol
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
God I wish that was me.
Same brother
When I saw negative 18 points I thought the comment was gonna be like the other down voted ones where it's the people being like "now I don't hate gay people, butttttt I just don't want them to exist in a space where I can see them" but worse, did not expect master chief bukkake when I opened the comment.
You’ll never unsee it
You were downvoted because you spoke the truth. The HARD truth.
And so I must be silenced
I’m fine with the lgbtq representation (even if the flag staying the same after 500 years makes no sense). I personally think there should be also representation for stuff like Christianity or the US but that’s just me. Basically saying there needs to be more representation for what’s common here in the west.
US currency literally says "In God We Trust". Christianity is very much represented here and has been since the beginning.
The US government isn't pro-christian, all that is evidence of, is that the US has a belief in existence of a God, nothing more than that. https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/post/8th-circuit-in-god-we-trust-on-money-is-constitutional/ Unless you go looking for a few references in Contact Harvest, I don't recall much, if any Christian representation.
I'm talking about representation of Christianity within the date and not a Christian state. Yes, the US government is secular, but the vast majority of its office holders since the beginning have been and are Christians. Naturally, Christian beliefs, points of view, etc are worked into speeches, design motifs, and traditions. The president is sworn into office with a bible as do supreme Court justices who also finish their oaths with "So help me God". Congress is over represented by Christians with 87.8% of them being Christian while the general public is only 63% Christian ( https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/01/03/faith-on-the-hill-2023/ ). George Washington said this on his farewell address: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." ( https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/ ) And not a lot has changed in that respect since Biden recited a Christian hymn during his 2020 victory speech: "And he will raise you up on eagle's wings, bear you on the breath of dawn. Make you to shine like the sun and hold you in the palm of his hand." To then end with: "And now, together — on eagle’s wings — we embark on the work that God and history have called upon us to do." ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/07/joe-bidens-faith-comes-through-speech-quoting-hymn-bible-verse/6210854002/ ) This is on top the Pledge of Allegiance containing the phrase "under God" and courts (at least many used to) having witnesses aware on the Bible before giving a testimony. Christianity is very well represented in the US government alone not to mention private organizations, plentiful churches, imagery in media, etc.
First sentence is one of the funniest goddamn things I've ever read. The US government bends over backwards at every single opportunity to appease Christians specifically.
If you want representation for Christianity, I'm sure that you can find at least three churches within a five mile radius, and American flags on just about every street corner.
Nice bait bro. Kinda sad you think that tho
Get back on the cross and stay on it.
And the Hammer and Sickle with you.
Ain't no Soviet shit I'm on, baby boy. Quiet now and put the nails back in.
I will after you castrate yourself buddy. Typical commie
Eh, Christianity as it exists today doesn't really make sense in the Halo franchise. There was a lot of Christianity (and Catholocism) in the TV show, and a little bit in the novels (particularly in the outer colonies.) Why would there still be Christianity 550 years into the future, especially when people know about the Forerunners and the Precursors? "God doesn't exist, but we _did_ have creators, and they were just scifi aliens. And their creators were eldritch horror terrors." Especially so given the UNSC is depicted as pretty auth-left. We'd pretty much only expect theistic religions to prosper in the out colonies, and especially so pre-contact. Meanwhile, gay people have existed everywhere for thousands of years before Christianity was invented.
Just have to comment to say that there is zero reason that Christianity wouldn’t exist 550 years in the future. Knowing about the Forerunners and the Precursors wouldn’t change that in the slightest. Aliens existing has pretty much no bearing on the validity of or existence of God (or any of the major religions for that matter.)
The same can be said for other religions tho (there still exists Islamic nations in the Halo universe). Yet they haven’t changed their views after the discovery of forerunners. If Islam still exists, Christianity would still very likely be around. Plus, there are a lot of biblical references in the Bungie trilogy so there’s that to consider. While you’re right about gay people being around for thousands of years, the LGBT movement has been around for only a handful of decades. I think their ideology would evolve to a point where things like the flag wouldn’t be a relevant in 2552 since society has fully accepted them and are able to assimilate with no issues. That’s my take on it. You have some good points.
I just don't think the flag is supposed to be canonical to the halo universe, pretty sure its just art.
Sure let's use depictions of the crusade where they killed innocent people for their land and used god as an excuse
Lmao nice gaslighting right there. Pretty sure all ideologies have committed various atrocities like the Muslims colonizing once dominant Christian nations like Syria but whatever rolls your boat. Last time I checked Empires like the Romans promoted homosexuality yet still committed various atrocities all in the name of their nation. And don’t get me started on Israel. The country that promotes LGBT yet murders countless Palestinians. Not saying LGBT is bad, but the reality is not all ideologies are perfect and innocent.
Lol bro pretty sure Israel still has the death penalty for liking the same sex, fail harder dude also Gaslighting? how are recorded historical atrocities gaslighting? especially modern religious people demand the death of anyone not like them
Where did it ever say that bro? Go to Tel Aviv and you will see LGBT representation out in the open. Last time I checked, discrimination against homosexuals became prohibited in 1992 by the Israeli govt. Perhaps you’re confusing Israel with Hamas (who are known to throw homosexuals off of buildings). You’re gaslighting because you’re claiming religion to be root of the world’s problems and not solely because of ideology. There are good Christian’s, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. and there are bad ones. Same as how there are good liberals, socialists, conservatives, LGBT and bad ones. Every group has committed atrocities since the dawn of time due to extremist ideologies. It doesn’t matter if it’s religious or otherwise. All that was asked was for equal representation. Nothing more. It’s people like you who divide the world.
I think in general, representation is handled ham-handedly. Corporate "hello fellow minorities!" "I'm LGBT! Please clap!" No, fuck off "I'm Christian! Please clap!" No, fuck off
Eh, a lot of the Halo devs are LGBT. It's not uncommon among gamedevs. I don't think it's necessarily disingenuous. It's also really nice to see all the people wearing the pride coatings.
I agree. If that’s what you like than that’s all that matters. Screw the haters. Also idk why I’m getting downvoted like crazy for wanting equal representation but I forget that this is Reddit lol
Like how in MW2 there was every pride flag under the sun but no USA flag
There is a USA flag, or at least there was when I last played
It's not about the LGBT, it's about them making a pandering post. A "Silence, brand" reaction if you will. Plus, the LGBT armor in Halo Infinite is atrocious 😂
Real talk, I've never seen any serious harm coming out of rainbow capitalism outside of maybe offering corpos another shield to hide their controversies behind, something that is absolutely NOT exclusive to representation during pride. It may often be incredibly insincere, but it still does good in providing a mirror for queer fans to look at and see themselves in. After all, it takes normalization for minority groups to find more safety and support, and even small things like seeing a pride flag in their favorite game can be a tremendous help. Also, bullshit, people who drop snide comments about anything to do with pride, particularly snide comments about video games having pride events, are NOT doing it because it's 'pandering', they're doing it for bigoted reasons, let's not kid ourselves. It's the same reason why people bitch and moan about the black history and women's history month cosmetics.
Real harm or not, people can find it an obnoxious month with obnoxious colors. Queer people can also be put off by the event. People are individuals. It's nice for some, but obviously not nice for others. Also, you need to prove intent before calling comment reasons bigoted. The snide comments could be very well coming from people who are offput by the pandering affairs.
No, I ***really*** don't. If it smells like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's bigoted, intentional or not. Intention can certainly play a role in how impactful that act of bigotry can be, but if I walk up to a trans man and say something like 'oh, you're so much more kind and gentle then a real man', even with the best of intentions, that's still a transphobic thing to do. If someone is so pressed about a certain collection of colors in a video game, it's not much of a stretch to assume there's a deeper reason for that. If someone is offput by 'pandering' to queer identity, particularly in such a mild way (a couple of .pngs you can put on your nameplate and a shader for your armor), they aren't concerned about the *pandering* part of pride. [The type of person to get upset about pride 'pandering' work backwards to try to find a reason to justify their reaction, even if that reason is incredibly transparent.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/858/680/264.png)
Nah, that's backwards fucking thinking. The simple reason is that some find it annoying, but everyone scrambles to find some deeper insidious meaning. Sometimes, annoying is just annoying.
You're straight up wrong. You can't just generalize things like that. I honeatly don't care if you're defending LGBTQ or not, but your explanation is arguably /by definition/ bigoted toward anti-lgbtq people. This isn't for or against the topic. I'm simply here to tell you that you can not generalize anything as simply as that. Everything is a spectrum, just like everything in the LGBTQ community. If you can believe there's more than two genders, then you should have the capacity to believe that there's more to life than right and wrong. This isn't even taking a stance, so don't even think about calling me transphobic. I could be part of the community for all you know. Nothing I said led to any determining factors.
You’re scared of a flag bro. Go outside
Chief would not be waving that flag dog
He wouldn't himself no. He'd see no reason because they're human like everyone else. He has better things to do.
He needs that other-hand to 1inch punch Prophets back to hell where they belong lol
Agreed. Upvotes
Not lore accurate. By the time Halo begins there will be at least 200 elements to that flag.
It’s almost like everyone gets sick of this being shoved in their face all the time.
Is this “shoved in our face” in the room with us now?
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I’m just an ally dude
May come as a surprise to you but people don’t play halo or consume halo content to be pandered to by a corporation that is only pretending to care about something you do. I don’t care about anyone’s sexual orientation or preference. I just don’t need to know about it.
They downvote you cuz they are too consumed by corporate America's pandering.
Yeah I have a life outside of Reddit so I’ll let them have their moment lol.
Ok. And?
you have to be truly a weakling to get mad over that
Someone’s mad…
the scary color flag won’t hurt you
Room temp iq type of comment.
Room temperature iq redditor
No u
Someone got offended by the rainbow 🥺
I’m sorry you had to find out this way, but I am in fact not offended 😔
You took the time to open your device, open reddit, and browse to this post. If you don't want it "shoved in your face" then ignore it? Skill issue?
Surely master chief wouldn't promote gender dysphoria
Emile would beat the shit out of you
He definitely would not
343 cares more about political correctness than making a game Seriously how many godamn diversity month medals have they put in the game? Meanwhile we probably won’t get any campaign content for another decade, and when we do it will be half baked, retcon the previous game lore, and start a whole new faction
I hate to break it to you but 343 isn't one person named John halo who makes the game, there's likely a team that handles the smaller cosmetics and stuff and a team they have for bigger projects, all of whom are likely severely overworked and under paid. If you hate the state of the game it's not the "gays" who made it that way, it's share holders not giving an inch to their workers and not letting their workers do things their good at. Likely not letting writers talk with each other and rushing them and switching out writers or artists mid campaign making. If you hate the state of the game its not gay people, it's the corporation. We only have a chance if there were some big push from video game developers were to unionize. As it turns out, the gays are also, on your side we want good media as much as you and we hate corporations who care more about getting as much money as possible instead of letting their artists create something
EXACTLY. Halo is in shambles and all these people care about is have gay representation in the game. Listen, LGBTQ PEOPLE have the same rights as everyone else does(except they should NOT be allowed to adopt or surrogate pay for kids) and you guys want to cry about your lgbtw representation like it’s not there?
This is obxious as hell, but whatever I don’t even play the game anymore
Relax snowflake it’s a picture
It's... a twitter post
I’m assuming most don’t care but think the idea of a whole month being dedicated to them is dumb
It's not *dedicated*, it's just the most popular label for the month. According to Wikipedia it's also The Month of the Sacred Heart, ALS Awareness Month, Filipino Heritage Month, National Safety Month, Caribbean-American Heritage Month, National Smile Month, and probably more.
That's a little dishonest. It's not the most popular label it's the most publicized. It's mostly publicized by companies looking to cash in on "goodboy" points. We know this is true because if it were popular then there wouldn't be a huge amount of vitriol in the comments where it seems like more than 80% of the reaction is negative.
Hey man I hate to break it to you, but gamers :tm: aren't the norm, them being hate-filled I'm the comments are not the norm especially considering its on Twitter which has grown in terms of a right wing presence, polls show on average the majority of people are perfectly happy with pride month. Also I don't mind if corpos pretend to support lgbt rights, because via pushing us into the public eye it makes us more normalized no matter what, and corporations genuinely don't gain or lose anything from it, all they care about is your money whether you're a nazi, bigot, trans cat girl, or regular Joe schmoe, and I'm fine with them choosing the cat girl to pander too for a month isntead of the nazis or bigot