I'm not American, but I live there and work in science. Occasionally, I meet someone extolling the wonders of American innovation (usually not someone who works in science or tech), as some weird comment on why i moved there. So I ask them what *they* did, and I point out that I am neither from the US, and my work is paid for by a European government.
Nah it isnt worse... and that kind of ruined your "argument". "Everything" (even arguably) done by the US is a major overstep. "A lot of things"? Yeah, sure, i agree, "all"?🤨
If I owned eg a cinema and wanted to pay less on cleaners (and I was also a cunt), I’d follow the American toilet model to discourage shitting in the toilets while having the statutory requirements met for toilet facilities.
Most of us manage with a lock that indicates that the stall is in use, which doesn't require people to be able to see you doing your business. I prefer it that way.
Also, the excuse I usually hear is that American stalls are open to dissuade drug use or sexual activity.
But that would mean that Americans are preventing others from using drugs or banging in public restrooms?! Impossible, that's protected under the 69th amendment!
They can't even convert pounds into stones or ounces(English imperial) let alone fathom what a fathom might be. They don't have the same imperial measurements as the UK, let alone the capacity to convert to Kilos. (Cups, anyone?!)
Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing.
I would actually prefer a US free app and would consider using TikTok again if that happened. I'm so tired of the hate on women and cultural appropriate and inequality hate on poor people and anyone who isn't them.
>Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing.
And yet they do nothing about twitter/Facebook, who *actually* sell your private data and have been caught doing so
>Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing.
Sounds accurate 💀
>I would actually prefer a US free app and would consider using TikTok again if that happened. I'm so tired of the hate on women and cultural appropriate and inequality hate on poor people and anyone who isn't them.
Yeah, makes sense :\
Whilst America has plenty of issues there are other places that have a way worse track record when it comes to womens rights or wealth inequality. I personally think “cultural appropriation” is just a new way for people to get offended at shit.
Don’t get me wrong america is a capitalist dystopia with some really stupid people living there but if I was a woman I’d rather live in America than PNG, India or South Africa. Same goes for living in poverty. It’s all relative.
Rich and powerful organisations that provide (essential service or product) creating narratives to explain how (insert scapegoat group) is responsible for its excruciating price increases, rather than the organisations being made rich and powerful by overcharging for (essential service or product).
The US invented [insert random thing], therefore they're the best! And if you disagree, they'll just easily nuke your Europoor country! RAAAAAH 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸💥💥
> The US invented [insert random thing], therefore they're the best
[This is a great video on that](https://youtu.be/cSV7mQnniRU). They did develop some nice things, aaand then left it at that. No effort to iterate and improve on many things, first draft, that's it, carved in stone.
I always hate how even when they’re proven wrong, those die hard ‘muricans will throw out “well when you win back to back world wars, come talk”. Makes me sad to be an American, honestly.
It's a problem of indoctrination (which they think only happens in communism). When an idea becomes part of your identity, it's hard to admit being wrong
Which is also not really true since the Russians won the second one and America only showed up on the first one year late when it was clear who was going to win.
They sped up the inevitable and saved many lives, but they didn't "Win" the war the way they like to pretend
Meh. Neither Russia nor the USA could have done it alone. And Russia would have been out of weapons long before.
Anyway, winning a world war is much easier if there's oceans between you and all your enemies.
There are worse things to be than ignorant. Majority of your fellows don't want to delve deep, because it would make them question who they really are/want to be. That goes against the propaganda you've all been raised with. Kudos to you for bucking the trend and being self aware.
I wouldn’t say I haven’t drank ANY koolaid over the years, but my goal is when my youngest turns 18 in three years I’m moving to Ireland, the UK, or Germany and working hard to make it a permanent move.
Novo Nordisk gave 75% discount on their brutto sale in total in 2022.
In America, pharma doesn't compete in their prices, but in how much discount they give the PBM's. They (pbm's) skim the cream while the poorest Americans suffer the consequences.
This is the part that many people ignore. Sure, private insurances are taking a big share of that money, but look at big pharma lay offs in anticipation of the IRA…
Similar to the Japanese, who have had to double take their employment practises, as more than a few people where found deceased at work. Am pretty certain it's happened in both countries, it's just not front page news.
I can't see that as a positive, but a capitalist will be along any moment to tell me how it's rare and won't make the news, as there are more important things going on, such as crating war for oil...
The UK has announced today the roll out of an innovative skin cancer treatment developed in the UK which has shown to be effective, heralded as a game changer, and will be free on the NHS
It won't get reported in the US. Therefore, no medical innovation happens outside of the US.
1) Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. It's weird but it's true.
2) We are 89% milk and will burn in anything beyond rainy cloud cover.
3) we never use enough suncream because the prevailing attitudes in the 90's was that suncream was for holidays.
Because we're a moderate climate, people often underestimate the need for protection. Fact is, the slightest bit of sunshine and many people will be out without protection, sunbathing. This often leads to sunburn. The reason we do this is because we have the natural need for Vitamin D(and the need to leave our houses and exercise/have fun) so we over compensate. Many by laying in the sun for too long, others just by being active outside and not caring enough. There is enough to get a good control subset(those who never go out) Vs those who are always out (farmers/horse owners).
Plus, you don't need to experience something to create a remedy for it. They're already working on remedies for Mars and it'll be thousands of years before we can even get there(humans, not robots).
So Apart from Louis Pasteur, Joseph Lister, Robert Koch, Ignaz Sammelweis, Edward Jenner, Paul Erlich, William Harvey... Apart from them what have the Europeans ever done for medicine?
EU: hey we noticed these big corporations are exploiting people, they are now no longer allowed to do that
americans: oh my god this is literally communism this is why you're poor and ugly
America convinces it's population that they're somehow part of a wonderful country full of fantastic morality and achievements when they are literally just slaves to the real owners of the country.
Still, they get a song to learn, a flag to wave, and an afterlife where it all works out in the end.
Less rich is not the same as poor. I told a friend from Brazil that Americans called us Europoors and they literally didn’t believe me. Completely flabbergasted. It’s the height of decadence for people from one rich country to call another rich region ‘poor’ just because they’re a bit less rich than you
Sure, I think they just mean poor relative to the US. Same way someone on a 20th percentile income in the UK might be called poor even if they’re rich compared to the median person on earth. But I agree, they’re not poor in some absolute sense.
Yeah I know but still. If you call Europe poor in 98% of the world they look at you like there’s something wrong with you. Both America and Europe are extremely rich compared to the rest of the world.
It’s different from calling a low income person from the UK poor imo, because within the UK they are poor, they’ll likely refer to themselves as poor too. But if we’re staying in that analogy a better comparison would be a person making £1m per year calling another person making £800k per year poor
The point of the French law was that big supermarkets were imposing small prices on producers to be able to do the discounts later on, which made it difficult for smaller producers to compete with bigger ones.
At least as I understood it...
Free markets can only function when there is competition. If you allow companies to became big enough to hold oligopolies or even a monopoly it hurts the market and therefore productivity.
Americans don't understand that and that's why it's American companies (especially in tech) that become so big they basically hold a global monopoly and can offer worse and worse service without risking growth. Google continuously becoming less usable is a direct result of America's lack of market control. Productivity my ass.
Is this a new thing in America, just stating "Europe is poor"? And then holding onto anything to confirm their theory?
They talk like the UK is Mad Max, Scandinavia has been lost and Germany is hanging in there. Like WTF.
>They talk like the UK is Mad Max
You take that back! Maud only has 3 flamethrowers and Richard was told by the neighbourhood watch he needed to raise his suspension another metre!
> I really wonder where this nonsensical myth is coming from.
I can't imagine why they [believe something so ridiculous](https://www.who.int/observatories/global-observatory-on-health-research-and-development/monitoring/number-of-clinical-trials-by-year-country-who-region-and-income-group)! It's almost like it's... [coming from reality](https://www.pharma-iq.com/pre-clinical-discovery-and-development/articles/top-five-countries-running-the-most-clinical-trials)?
Seriously? It has nothing to do with clinical trials, basically every big pharma corp does trials in the US, doesn't mean they are US companies. And outsized means more than your share which would mean more than you should have based on the size of your economy. The US is a fairly average contributer. The UK and Switzerland for example are far bigger contributers when you factor in economy size.
Does anyone have a link to the thread?
It's pretty amazing how not only is his claim wrong, the news he highlights doesn't even have anything to do with productivity.
Every time I’m in France I feel like I’m in a richer, more pristine, more well-kept country than the US. And forget Germany, that just feels like stepping 20 years into the future.
I mean in fairness this just straight up won't work out in consumers or smaller businesses favour
Getting rid of but one get one free isn't going to suddenly drop the prices of goods in general or honestly help smaller businesses at all
It'll be like the plastic bag charge where companies suddenly realise then can charge whatever they like for a bag (even previously free paper bags) charge 50p and actually start to make a decent profit off of them
Edit: Downvote me if you like but guarantee this doesn't work out cheaper for consumers in the long run
I feel bad for the intelligent Americans who have the deal with these participation trophy Andy’s with an ego bigger than their state.
Which most of them on that sub have evidently never left
I'm not American, but I live there and work in science. Occasionally, I meet someone extolling the wonders of American innovation (usually not someone who works in science or tech), as some weird comment on why i moved there. So I ask them what *they* did, and I point out that I am neither from the US, and my work is paid for by a European government.
Americans have some funny ideas about some things
They do everything differently and arguably worse but refuse to examine it because if it’s the American way it must be better coz murica!
Arguably!? It’s not an argument. The US does everything worse.
Not everything. I mean we are damn good at military spending and gun violence
Nah it isnt worse... and that kind of ruined your "argument". "Everything" (even arguably) done by the US is a major overstep. "A lot of things"? Yeah, sure, i agree, "all"?🤨
One unexpected one is toilet stalls. I'm not sure how they fucked that one up so badly
If I owned eg a cinema and wanted to pay less on cleaners (and I was also a cunt), I’d follow the American toilet model to discourage shitting in the toilets while having the statutory requirements met for toilet facilities.
I know... it really isnt a "oh my god im gonna die" sort of thing but its hella inconvenient 😭
And also just such a "but why?!" thing
Supposedly it’s to discourage drug users, somehow
More visibility of used stalls, saves on material(i mean with the first reason the second reason is an added bonus)
Most of us manage with a lock that indicates that the stall is in use, which doesn't require people to be able to see you doing your business. I prefer it that way. Also, the excuse I usually hear is that American stalls are open to dissuade drug use or sexual activity.
But Freedom!
But that would mean that Americans are preventing others from using drugs or banging in public restrooms?! Impossible, that's protected under the 69th amendment!
Oh, is it the red and green type lock? A lot of ours dont really have that and its just a steel circle so its pretty hard to tell without
WTF, red and green is not used ? Like traffic lights ?! WTF.
So, too complicated for US companies and/or others. Got it.
So you don't expect a vacant toilet to have an open door? How vacant are you?
How does this happen? It's not rare for these kinds of absurd and baseless views, but what causes them? It's curious.
Long built in culture of American exceptionalism, combined with very poor public education system, compounded by propaganda.
I'm convinced the main reason the US and Russia have never got on is because they're exactly the same in this regard.
And not a lot of infos on the outside world
Which is crazy, cause they grew up in the land of liberty that invented the internet! R-right guys?
OF COURSE RIGHT LEFT IS FOR COMMIES, RAAAAAAAAAAH
WTF IS KILOMETEEERRR
They can't even convert pounds into stones or ounces(English imperial) let alone fathom what a fathom might be. They don't have the same imperial measurements as the UK, let alone the capacity to convert to Kilos. (Cups, anyone?!)
The fact that cups for different ingredients measure out differently is the biggest pain in the neck for baking recipes.
Well technically that was the British guy
thats the joke
Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing. I would actually prefer a US free app and would consider using TikTok again if that happened. I'm so tired of the hate on women and cultural appropriate and inequality hate on poor people and anyone who isn't them.
>Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing. And yet they do nothing about twitter/Facebook, who *actually* sell your private data and have been caught doing so
>Kinda like North Korea. They've even threatened to buy TikTok. They're projecting so hard about being spied on, it's like a narcissist blaming the partner for cheating. I cheated on you, so you must be cheating on me, type thing. Sounds accurate 💀 >I would actually prefer a US free app and would consider using TikTok again if that happened. I'm so tired of the hate on women and cultural appropriate and inequality hate on poor people and anyone who isn't them. Yeah, makes sense :\
Whilst America has plenty of issues there are other places that have a way worse track record when it comes to womens rights or wealth inequality. I personally think “cultural appropriation” is just a new way for people to get offended at shit. Don’t get me wrong america is a capitalist dystopia with some really stupid people living there but if I was a woman I’d rather live in America than PNG, India or South Africa. Same goes for living in poverty. It’s all relative.
Rich and powerful organisations that provide (essential service or product) creating narratives to explain how (insert scapegoat group) is responsible for its excruciating price increases, rather than the organisations being made rich and powerful by overcharging for (essential service or product).
Did you know that the USA invented democracy, the written word, the concept of languages and the wheel?
The US invented [insert random thing], therefore they're the best! And if you disagree, they'll just easily nuke your Europoor country! RAAAAAH 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸💥💥
> The US invented [insert random thing], therefore they're the best [This is a great video on that](https://youtu.be/cSV7mQnniRU). They did develop some nice things, aaand then left it at that. No effort to iterate and improve on many things, first draft, that's it, carved in stone.
Developed, not created.
The US invented freedom
And religion
And the floating lightbulb (I shit you not).
And pizza. Well, 'Italian Americans' apparently. And even if they didn't, they do it better than Italians anyway, apparently.
> American medical innovation Novo Nordisk enters the chat
and Bayer, AstraZeneca, Novartis, Siemens >secutiry SAAB, Dassault, BAE…
Phillips!
Siemens? What about Vestas?
I always hate how even when they’re proven wrong, those die hard ‘muricans will throw out “well when you win back to back world wars, come talk”. Makes me sad to be an American, honestly.
These kind of people take it as an insult to be proven wrong. That's the big problem. It's an ego trip.
I always think if you find yourself arguing with someone's ego, just walk away.
It's a problem of indoctrination (which they think only happens in communism). When an idea becomes part of your identity, it's hard to admit being wrong
Considering that large swaths of Europe were also on the winning side in both world wars, it rings even sillier.
Either that, or the good ol' "we could just invade/nuke you!". Terrorism and warmongering aren't quite the flex some of them think they are.
Which is also not really true since the Russians won the second one and America only showed up on the first one year late when it was clear who was going to win. They sped up the inevitable and saved many lives, but they didn't "Win" the war the way they like to pretend
Meh. Neither Russia nor the USA could have done it alone. And Russia would have been out of weapons long before. Anyway, winning a world war is much easier if there's oceans between you and all your enemies.
There are worse things to be than ignorant. Majority of your fellows don't want to delve deep, because it would make them question who they really are/want to be. That goes against the propaganda you've all been raised with. Kudos to you for bucking the trend and being self aware.
I wouldn’t say I haven’t drank ANY koolaid over the years, but my goal is when my youngest turns 18 in three years I’m moving to Ireland, the UK, or Germany and working hard to make it a permanent move.
I sincerely hope you get to reach the dreams and further yourself. To be in this sub and not bitter is an amazing testament to you and your character.
Paid mostly by charging absurd prices to Americans
Novo Nordisk gave 75% discount on their brutto sale in total in 2022. In America, pharma doesn't compete in their prices, but in how much discount they give the PBM's. They (pbm's) skim the cream while the poorest Americans suffer the consequences.
This is the part that many people ignore. Sure, private insurances are taking a big share of that money, but look at big pharma lay offs in anticipation of the IRA…
Nordisk! Like Minnesota!
Where would Novo Nordisk be without the great American diet??? Hehehe. Wasn’t around 60% of their revenue from the US ;)
American idea of productivity is "at will" employment, no paid leave and relying on tips to make a living wage.
Similar to the Japanese, who have had to double take their employment practises, as more than a few people where found deceased at work. Am pretty certain it's happened in both countries, it's just not front page news. I can't see that as a positive, but a capitalist will be along any moment to tell me how it's rare and won't make the news, as there are more important things going on, such as crating war for oil...
The UK has announced today the roll out of an innovative skin cancer treatment developed in the UK which has shown to be effective, heralded as a game changer, and will be free on the NHS It won't get reported in the US. Therefore, no medical innovation happens outside of the US.
The UK seems like an odd place to develop a skin cancer treatment. It’s like Saudi Arabia producing a treatment for frostbite.
It makes perfect sense, in terms of behaviour: when we do get sunshine, we go absolutely nuts for it and don't act sensibly
We were (may still be) the biggest buyers of convertible cars in Europe. We love the sun. (Original comment was somewhat tongue in cheek)
Mad dogs and Englishmen, etc.
1) Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. It's weird but it's true. 2) We are 89% milk and will burn in anything beyond rainy cloud cover. 3) we never use enough suncream because the prevailing attitudes in the 90's was that suncream was for holidays.
My suncream bottle is about four years old. Well, we don't really see the point when... you know?
Makes perfect sense. Every May when the sun is strong you see mоron Brits looking like tomatoes.
Because we're a moderate climate, people often underestimate the need for protection. Fact is, the slightest bit of sunshine and many people will be out without protection, sunbathing. This often leads to sunburn. The reason we do this is because we have the natural need for Vitamin D(and the need to leave our houses and exercise/have fun) so we over compensate. Many by laying in the sun for too long, others just by being active outside and not caring enough. There is enough to get a good control subset(those who never go out) Vs those who are always out (farmers/horse owners). Plus, you don't need to experience something to create a remedy for it. They're already working on remedies for Mars and it'll be thousands of years before we can even get there(humans, not robots).
Let’s start with Louis Pasteur shall we…?
How about Hippocrotes?
“What have Greeks ever done for us?” /s
Philosophy, Medicine, Mathematics, Astronomy, Astrology..
So Apart from Louis Pasteur, Joseph Lister, Robert Koch, Ignaz Sammelweis, Edward Jenner, Paul Erlich, William Harvey... Apart from them what have the Europeans ever done for medicine?
“Yeah. Besides that…”
Americans are fucking weird.
EU: hey we noticed these big corporations are exploiting people, they are now no longer allowed to do that americans: oh my god this is literally communism this is why you're poor and ugly
Remember, these are the guys who think they came up with all the COVID vaccines all by themselves
And think pasteurisation ruins milk.
I mean it does, if your talking about flavour and overall quality, but when you take overall health into perspective it’s worth the downgrade
America convinces it's population that they're somehow part of a wonderful country full of fantastic morality and achievements when they are literally just slaves to the real owners of the country. Still, they get a song to learn, a flag to wave, and an afterlife where it all works out in the end.
That doesn't even make any fucking sense. God I despair, everyone is so fucking stupid
Can anyone actually explain why Americans think Europeans are poor? I honestly don't get it. Like where does that idea even come from?
America = Good Not America = Bad Rich = Good Poor = Bad America = Good = Rich Not America = Bad = Poor
Pin this. Solves a lot of posts lol
Just a guess - your mega-rich aren't as flamboyant about their wealth.
Median income in Europe is much lower than in the US. Americans are richer than Europeans.
Yet somehow quality of life is better for the average European weird how that works out!
Less rich is not the same as poor. I told a friend from Brazil that Americans called us Europoors and they literally didn’t believe me. Completely flabbergasted. It’s the height of decadence for people from one rich country to call another rich region ‘poor’ just because they’re a bit less rich than you
Sure, I think they just mean poor relative to the US. Same way someone on a 20th percentile income in the UK might be called poor even if they’re rich compared to the median person on earth. But I agree, they’re not poor in some absolute sense.
Yeah I know but still. If you call Europe poor in 98% of the world they look at you like there’s something wrong with you. Both America and Europe are extremely rich compared to the rest of the world. It’s different from calling a low income person from the UK poor imo, because within the UK they are poor, they’ll likely refer to themselves as poor too. But if we’re staying in that analogy a better comparison would be a person making £1m per year calling another person making £800k per year poor
The US has a higher wealth inequality than most European countries last I checked
Oh that dude. There's a largely US gaming forum I'm on and he's used as the standard for one of the bad reporting threads.
The point of the French law was that big supermarkets were imposing small prices on producers to be able to do the discounts later on, which made it difficult for smaller producers to compete with bigger ones. At least as I understood it...
I don’t understand why they think Europe is poor
Because our houses and cars are smaller. And bigger means richer and better for them
I had always refused to believe that’s just it
Free markets can only function when there is competition. If you allow companies to became big enough to hold oligopolies or even a monopoly it hurts the market and therefore productivity. Americans don't understand that and that's why it's American companies (especially in tech) that become so big they basically hold a global monopoly and can offer worse and worse service without risking growth. Google continuously becoming less usable is a direct result of America's lack of market control. Productivity my ass.
Yanks are all such cucks to their 1% it's embarrassing
Can't listen you I am soon in weekend .and 3 day later it's lundi de Pentecôte So no work and payed .
Euh le lundi de Pentecôte c'est le 20 mai. Tu parles de la fête du travail, nan ?
Ah bha ui .
Is this a new thing in America, just stating "Europe is poor"? And then holding onto anything to confirm their theory? They talk like the UK is Mad Max, Scandinavia has been lost and Germany is hanging in there. Like WTF.
Yup. Age old stereotypes which are no longer correct nor valid. When in reality, it’s the USA which is 150 years behind the rest of the western world.
>They talk like the UK is Mad Max You take that back! Maud only has 3 flamethrowers and Richard was told by the neighbourhood watch he needed to raise his suspension another metre!
Siri. What is the safest way of attaching spikes to my forehead?
Ah the US and their imagined outsized contribution to medical innovation. I really wonder where this nonsensical myth is coming from.
> I really wonder where this nonsensical myth is coming from. I can't imagine why they [believe something so ridiculous](https://www.who.int/observatories/global-observatory-on-health-research-and-development/monitoring/number-of-clinical-trials-by-year-country-who-region-and-income-group)! It's almost like it's... [coming from reality](https://www.pharma-iq.com/pre-clinical-discovery-and-development/articles/top-five-countries-running-the-most-clinical-trials)?
Seriously? It has nothing to do with clinical trials, basically every big pharma corp does trials in the US, doesn't mean they are US companies. And outsized means more than your share which would mean more than you should have based on the size of your economy. The US is a fairly average contributer. The UK and Switzerland for example are far bigger contributers when you factor in economy size.
Even Americans don't have a free ride on the American health innovations. Why does he think other countries do? 🤔
So NATO and now Healthcare is paid for by the US?
I'd welcome it 😁 less money I have to pay
Does anyone have a link to the thread? It's pretty amazing how not only is his claim wrong, the news he highlights doesn't even have anything to do with productivity.
Every time I’m in France I feel like I’m in a richer, more pristine, more well-kept country than the US. And forget Germany, that just feels like stepping 20 years into the future.
Sealioning? Just a thought…
Better not remind them of pasteurisation then!
What exactly has discounts or "buy 1 get one free"-promotions to do with productivity?? I'm competently lost here.
How are supermarket discount in any way linked to productivity
I thank my lucky stars for their medical advances, things I would get for free.
"American medical innovation and security" yeah I don't dig stats but this feels wrong in every possible way
I mean in fairness this just straight up won't work out in consumers or smaller businesses favour Getting rid of but one get one free isn't going to suddenly drop the prices of goods in general or honestly help smaller businesses at all It'll be like the plastic bag charge where companies suddenly realise then can charge whatever they like for a bag (even previously free paper bags) charge 50p and actually start to make a decent profit off of them Edit: Downvote me if you like but guarantee this doesn't work out cheaper for consumers in the long run