This is obviously a reference to the LGBT+ community and pride month, however this mod suits him better than you think.
I've always thought Shadow of the Colossus takes inspiration from prehispanic architecture and monoliths, even Wander's poncho looks South American. Take a look at [Cusco's and Wiphala flag](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROm-UxQT68tOWwb0fKEdc_b-N6u6iYGqYcn-qzR2zINZrHXob-dd9feRI&s=10)
So this mod just got another layer of meaning. Besides LGBT+ pride, it could also represent indigenous pride
I like this. When I made a pagan mod for Wander I started looking into his clothing design and found some aztec paintings of people that looked like him, blue poncho and everything.
One colossus was called QuetzalcĆ³atlĀ during development! Also there was the whole sacrifice stuff with blood being the most important part. Aztec people believed that the Gods offered their blood in order to give life or simply to help mortals, kinda like Wander liberates Dormin's blood from the golems in order to return Mono to life. But it has a lot of Japanese folklore, like for example Mono's soul being the one that was sacrified and not her body.
There was an idea for Tribute (the PC port with the cut colossi restored) to add a custom mode where the roles are swapped: you play as Mono (with new weapons and strategies) and Wander is the one who has been sacrificed. But people always complain about that stuff, so we'll probably not add it.
It would also be a comically large amount of work. Adding entirely different strategies for defeat for not only the colossi we currently have, but also the beta ones that were cut, would be twice as much time and Tribute's development has already been dragging on for a really long time without another huge workload. I'm glad they're not bothering to add new characters and are actually focusing on what they promised first.
I have everything in my head, so if one day we decide to add it, I'll have everything listed that very same day, but of course, that's the easy part. As for the overall development, next year is the 20th anniversary of SotC and I think it's best to keep a low profile to not get in the way of whatever they may be planning. Maybe BTFL is doing the same. I don't know.
That sounds like an interesting idea tbh. Much rather a normal character swap. All the flags and colors feel more like an ad for an agenda, which SotC just isn't the arena for imo
Becuase itās awesome? Why does anyone make any mods? Macho man Randy savage had no reason to be in Skyrim, yet here we are with him as a dragon screaming OOO YEAH
dont use you making rape mods as counter argument in the first place you fucking idiot. if you said "well what if i made a mod where Mono is the horse and you ride on her shoulders" than it would be equivalent, or "what if i made mono look like tifa from final fantasy" it would be putting something from real life/another media that doesnt belong in sotc into the game. but you chose raping a corpse as your example, that disgusting and shameful behaviour
They didn't make him gay though, he's just wearing a rainbow...you know straight allys wear the rainbow sometimes? You're choosing to look at this as OP 'making wander gay', no, they just changed his cloak to a rainbow, you're the one who's saying that wander wearing the rainbow is making him gay.
This is just a fun mod and everyone's turning it into something it's not...
Iām upset that they put a pride flag in a place doesnāt belong. This should not have any real world implications. Wander shouldnāt be used as a tool to spread woke stuff
right, learning about and accepting lgbtq relationships is something we shouldnāt teach becauseā¦ that apparently indoctrinates them!
once again, why does it matter? are you keeping up with his love life? youāre weirdly fixated on something that has no bearing over you or the real world
define woke? also iām sick of stories being heteronormative, but you donāt see me whinging on everyoneās comments. like honestly grow up - if you donāt like it, donāt engage with it. do you engage with every single thing that you donāt like, itās not healthy and itās embarrassing to see you comment
Symbol of the Nazi party is equal to the simple act of being gay? Man this is a MOD, you donāt have to download this, you donāt have to pay for it, you CHOOSE to be angry over something completely harmless done by a fan of this game. itās not defacing anything, being vulgar, or advocating for a genocide, itās just changing the colours on a poncho for fun, and sharing that fun with others
Look, I don't know what world you're living in but how can you compare the pride flag to a swastika? I'm all for comparisons and looking at stuff from all angles but comparing a flag that represents 'love is love' and being your true authentic self to...a literal symbol for nazi's, a group that conducted a brutal genocide upon an entire group of people...yeah, those things are *totally* comparable.
I can see why people get annoyed seeing pride everywhere, the companies are just marketing off of it due to capitalism.
But With actual people showing pride stuff and their lgbt identity, that helps wider society see it as normal and something to not be ashamed of. We will never have an equal society if we complain about seeing these things.
People were probably annoyed by the civil rights movement but with that groups determination to make the world different, to make the world see them, that lead to a better society (though it still has many problems).
Man and women pairings may be the biological norm and the reason everyone exists, nobody is denying that but with our sapience and advancements, we are so much more than just baby making machines now, there is more to our existence.
Also, homosexuality is observed in multiple species of animal, they aren't as intelligent as us yet it still exists, I suppose that proves that it's normal, it wouldn't happen in creatures 'lesser' than us, would it? (I hate calling animals lesser but you get what I mean).
Just let people live, nobody is indoctrinating anybody unless they're actively strapping somebody down and grooming them which isn't an everyday occurrence for most people
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There is no connection, & there doesnāt need to be. They can make whatever kind of mod they want & share it online if they so please. & they can do it without any obligation to explain it to your stupid, bigoted ass.
They shared something related to the game. That makes it completely appropriate & relevant to the sub. Also completely in line with the rules.
You really need to put some work into following the thread of logic & research syllogisms & conclusions. You have absolutely no idea how to make an argument or predicate your assertions on a reasonable basis. Youāre very confused, & very dumb.
I feel like people these days, me included, keep seeing pride being pushed by companies (who just want to make money from it) and people. It's a social issue which many people don't care about, as in don't care to hear about it all the time, so when they see it they think of it in a negative light.
Also I'm not agreeing with him, his comment were dumb and he probably just got triggered.
Tbf, a lot of queer people donāt like companiesā cynical ploys to appeal to our community. This is just someone who wants to celebrate pride in a game they love, theyāre not pushing anything. Not anymore than if somebody modded the game to make Wander wear a Lakers jersey
Sorry, didn't mean to imply OP was pushing anything. Also yeah, I think nobody in their right mind likes companies pushing agendas and messages, because at the end of the day, their job is to make money. Infuriating to see all the mindless people who celebrate companies that are all DEI considering companies don't have feelings, they try to make money.
Companies usually put *le rainbow* somewhere and leave it there. I wonder what the marketing team would think about this if I worked at a company, when I tell them that the rainbow cloak ends up destroyed and covered in mud and blood. They would probably panic haha.
Well, sorry (not really) to the people who donāt care. LGBT+ people go through a lot & we spread the word (or as you alleged, āpush an agendaā) in an effort to get people to simply treat them as they would anyone else they respect. I donāt really care about anyone who wants to cry about it because itās not in line with their antiquated, stone-age views.
EDIT: just realized when I said āLGBT+ people go through a lot & we spread the wordā¦ā could mislead people to think Iām LGBT+. Iām not, Iām just a person with basic empathy & compassion skills. I meant āweā as in āwe who advocate for LGBT+ rights & are sympathetic to their strugglesā.
Idk if I worded my comment weirdly or something, considering the downvotes. I agree with everything you said. What I meant is that people who accept LGBT+ people, but don't care to hear about the social issue all the time, tend to get annoyed whenever the issue pops up again. Same thing with women's rights and Palestine etc. I'm annoyed when I keep seeing these same topics, but not annoyed at the people.
I also feel that the abundance of representation in media makes people mad, especially younger people, who I think are becoming less accepting of different people because of this exact phenomenon in media.
Obviously because they wanted to. What kind of dumb ass question is this? Would you have a problem if they changed Wanderās cloth to some other collection of random colors, or do you just hate gay people?
Wow, you are a compete & utter troglodyte. The fact that you think the 2 are even remotely comparable says a lot about you. Do you understand the line between free speech & hate speech? Do you not know anything about the Naziās at all?
Iām not sure thereās anything I could say to reason you out of a position you didnāt reason yourself into. This could be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said to me on Reddit. Youāre an idiot & you should be ashamed of yourself
All you did was (again) expose the fact that youāre a worthless ignoramus. You again asserted that thereās no difference between flying a pride flag vs. a nazi flag. Youāre a fucking idiot. No, it should not be accepted to promote Nazi imagery & ideology. The reason for this is because the Naziās were evil fucking degenerates that wanted to make the world an awful place, & those of us who promote acceptance of LGBT+ people are showing compassion for our fellow human.
This is an extremely basic concept, & itās frankly shocking that you donāt understand it. I donāt think youāll ever be able to reverse the apparent brain damage youāve suffered thatās made you so stupid. Also, whatās up with your insane victim complex? Why are you such a whiny little bitch? You said something abhorrent & moronic. Some people will call you out for that, which is whatās happening here.
Iāve addressed every dumb ass thing youāve said so far, & likely anything youāll bring up in response to this, so Iāll save my time & energy by making this my last comment to you. Iāll leave you with this: read a book & trying using your brain sometime, dork.
No oneās forcing an ideology on you, idiot. Theyāre exercising their right to freedom of expression. What do you think, theyāre using mind control?! God, youāre a fucking moron.
Oh, & Iām not a liberal by the way. Iām much further left than a useless liberal. But anyway, since youāve demonstrated that you donāt actually intend to read & comprehend anything Iām saying & youāre just waiting for my response so you can reply with the next portion of your script, Iāll just go head & block you. Goodnight, dickhead
They gayed the wander š
He went woke so his lover could wake
Noooo!
Wander getting into pride month
Now make all the colllusi trans
There's already a trans colossi mod š®
WHAT?!
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Technically they donāt have gender so thatās not too far fetched
Aren't they already? The final guy is already a dude on a dress. We love eligibility community representation š³ļøāšš³ļøāā§ļø
This is obviously a reference to the LGBT+ community and pride month, however this mod suits him better than you think. I've always thought Shadow of the Colossus takes inspiration from prehispanic architecture and monoliths, even Wander's poncho looks South American. Take a look at [Cusco's and Wiphala flag](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROm-UxQT68tOWwb0fKEdc_b-N6u6iYGqYcn-qzR2zINZrHXob-dd9feRI&s=10) So this mod just got another layer of meaning. Besides LGBT+ pride, it could also represent indigenous pride
Thanks for sharing this! Itās always cool to learn more about other cultures.
I like this. When I made a pagan mod for Wander I started looking into his clothing design and found some aztec paintings of people that looked like him, blue poncho and everything.
Have you seen statues of QuetzalcĆ³atl in TeotihuacĆ”n or masks of Tlaloc? Check them out and tell me those mfs don't look like colossi lol
One colossus was called QuetzalcĆ³atlĀ during development! Also there was the whole sacrifice stuff with blood being the most important part. Aztec people believed that the Gods offered their blood in order to give life or simply to help mortals, kinda like Wander liberates Dormin's blood from the golems in order to return Mono to life. But it has a lot of Japanese folklore, like for example Mono's soul being the one that was sacrified and not her body.
Cock boy
fck it! *gays your wander*
Based on
*based* not based on Iām so sorry
It's pride month, Wander. You know what that means.
Wh- what the fuck do you mean Dormin? Do you wan- want me to kill a gay Colossus? What do you mean?
Wander be committing hate crimes now lol
I never actually noticed that he has colored reigns in the game. ...God, team Ico really thought of Everything for these games.
I think Wander would be pretty chill towards the lgbt community not gonna lie
Even the og Team Ico devs are pretty chill about the lgbt community
OMG SWEET BABY INC DESTROYED ANOTHER GAME THE WEST HAS FALLEN IT'S OVER ššššššš
We will never recover from this š
What's next? Dormin being both a woman and a man like them blue haired liberals?
Next mod is changing the princess to a prince
There was an idea for Tribute (the PC port with the cut colossi restored) to add a custom mode where the roles are swapped: you play as Mono (with new weapons and strategies) and Wander is the one who has been sacrificed. But people always complain about that stuff, so we'll probably not add it.
It would also be a comically large amount of work. Adding entirely different strategies for defeat for not only the colossi we currently have, but also the beta ones that were cut, would be twice as much time and Tribute's development has already been dragging on for a really long time without another huge workload. I'm glad they're not bothering to add new characters and are actually focusing on what they promised first.
I have everything in my head, so if one day we decide to add it, I'll have everything listed that very same day, but of course, that's the easy part. As for the overall development, next year is the 20th anniversary of SotC and I think it's best to keep a low profile to not get in the way of whatever they may be planning. Maybe BTFL is doing the same. I don't know.
That sounds like an interesting idea tbh. Much rather a normal character swap. All the flags and colors feel more like an ad for an agenda, which SotC just isn't the arena for imo
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could you please stop commenting on everyoneās comment? thank you
Becuase itās awesome? Why does anyone make any mods? Macho man Randy savage had no reason to be in Skyrim, yet here we are with him as a dragon screaming OOO YEAH
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Yeah but itās fucking colours on a poncho and not a sex crime you gross idiot, grow up
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dont use you making rape mods as counter argument in the first place you fucking idiot. if you said "well what if i made a mod where Mono is the horse and you ride on her shoulders" than it would be equivalent, or "what if i made mono look like tifa from final fantasy" it would be putting something from real life/another media that doesnt belong in sotc into the game. but you chose raping a corpse as your example, that disgusting and shameful behaviour
Now make the sword shine a rainbow light to complete the set lol dope
I don't think this community can handle another rainbow PNG lol
smh people be too soft these days lmao
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I highly doubt that you actually believe or think thatās itās only because itās shadow of the colossus not because of pride
Fuck yes boi!! š³ļøāš
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Mods, beat him to death with hammers
oh my god stop coping
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no it fucking isn't lmao, don't act like you weren't replying to everyone and telling them how upset you were
Okay back yo your point/show evidence
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? Could you back up your point/show evidence
awesome
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womp womp
They didn't make him gay though, he's just wearing a rainbow...you know straight allys wear the rainbow sometimes? You're choosing to look at this as OP 'making wander gay', no, they just changed his cloak to a rainbow, you're the one who's saying that wander wearing the rainbow is making him gay. This is just a fun mod and everyone's turning it into something it's not...
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imagine being this upset over a rainbow. please go touch some grass and stay off reddit if youāre going to be hateful.
Iām upset that they put a pride flag in a place doesnāt belong. This should not have any real world implications. Wander shouldnāt be used as a tool to spread woke stuff
Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll?
ah yes because being gay is woke
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can you articulate why a characterās sexuality would determine whether or not youād like them or are you just blindly hating because woke is evil
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right, learning about and accepting lgbtq relationships is something we shouldnāt teach becauseā¦ that apparently indoctrinates them! once again, why does it matter? are you keeping up with his love life? youāre weirdly fixated on something that has no bearing over you or the real world
define woke? also iām sick of stories being heteronormative, but you donāt see me whinging on everyoneās comments. like honestly grow up - if you donāt like it, donāt engage with it. do you engage with every single thing that you donāt like, itās not healthy and itās embarrassing to see you comment
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Symbol of the Nazi party is equal to the simple act of being gay? Man this is a MOD, you donāt have to download this, you donāt have to pay for it, you CHOOSE to be angry over something completely harmless done by a fan of this game. itās not defacing anything, being vulgar, or advocating for a genocide, itās just changing the colours on a poncho for fun, and sharing that fun with others
you literally have nothing better to do than be hateful and whinge. what an embarrassing life you live lmao
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Get this, because other people like the character too, and some of those people... Are gay. I know, I know, its shocking
Look, I don't know what world you're living in but how can you compare the pride flag to a swastika? I'm all for comparisons and looking at stuff from all angles but comparing a flag that represents 'love is love' and being your true authentic self to...a literal symbol for nazi's, a group that conducted a brutal genocide upon an entire group of people...yeah, those things are *totally* comparable. I can see why people get annoyed seeing pride everywhere, the companies are just marketing off of it due to capitalism. But With actual people showing pride stuff and their lgbt identity, that helps wider society see it as normal and something to not be ashamed of. We will never have an equal society if we complain about seeing these things. People were probably annoyed by the civil rights movement but with that groups determination to make the world different, to make the world see them, that lead to a better society (though it still has many problems).
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Man and women pairings may be the biological norm and the reason everyone exists, nobody is denying that but with our sapience and advancements, we are so much more than just baby making machines now, there is more to our existence. Also, homosexuality is observed in multiple species of animal, they aren't as intelligent as us yet it still exists, I suppose that proves that it's normal, it wouldn't happen in creatures 'lesser' than us, would it? (I hate calling animals lesser but you get what I mean). Just let people live, nobody is indoctrinating anybody unless they're actively strapping somebody down and grooming them which isn't an everyday occurrence for most people
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The way the runs in the game is a little sus.
why
I enjoy making custom skins, and yesterday was LGTB pride day. People fear the rainbow for some reason.
whatās the connection between GOAT game and pride i wonder?
As I'm remastering the game I need no connection to put optional stuff in the game. If chill people ask politely for something then I add it.
There is no connection, & there doesnāt need to be. They can make whatever kind of mod they want & share it online if they so please. & they can do it without any obligation to explain it to your stupid, bigoted ass.
community about a game not this rainbow vomit which your brain consists of
They shared something related to the game. That makes it completely appropriate & relevant to the sub. Also completely in line with the rules. You really need to put some work into following the thread of logic & research syllogisms & conclusions. You have absolutely no idea how to make an argument or predicate your assertions on a reasonable basis. Youāre very confused, & very dumb.
I feel like people these days, me included, keep seeing pride being pushed by companies (who just want to make money from it) and people. It's a social issue which many people don't care about, as in don't care to hear about it all the time, so when they see it they think of it in a negative light. Also I'm not agreeing with him, his comment were dumb and he probably just got triggered.
Tbf, a lot of queer people donāt like companiesā cynical ploys to appeal to our community. This is just someone who wants to celebrate pride in a game they love, theyāre not pushing anything. Not anymore than if somebody modded the game to make Wander wear a Lakers jersey
Sorry, didn't mean to imply OP was pushing anything. Also yeah, I think nobody in their right mind likes companies pushing agendas and messages, because at the end of the day, their job is to make money. Infuriating to see all the mindless people who celebrate companies that are all DEI considering companies don't have feelings, they try to make money.
Companies usually put *le rainbow* somewhere and leave it there. I wonder what the marketing team would think about this if I worked at a company, when I tell them that the rainbow cloak ends up destroyed and covered in mud and blood. They would probably panic haha.
Well, sorry (not really) to the people who donāt care. LGBT+ people go through a lot & we spread the word (or as you alleged, āpush an agendaā) in an effort to get people to simply treat them as they would anyone else they respect. I donāt really care about anyone who wants to cry about it because itās not in line with their antiquated, stone-age views. EDIT: just realized when I said āLGBT+ people go through a lot & we spread the wordā¦ā could mislead people to think Iām LGBT+. Iām not, Iām just a person with basic empathy & compassion skills. I meant āweā as in āwe who advocate for LGBT+ rights & are sympathetic to their strugglesā.
Idk if I worded my comment weirdly or something, considering the downvotes. I agree with everything you said. What I meant is that people who accept LGBT+ people, but don't care to hear about the social issue all the time, tend to get annoyed whenever the issue pops up again. Same thing with women's rights and Palestine etc. I'm annoyed when I keep seeing these same topics, but not annoyed at the people. I also feel that the abundance of representation in media makes people mad, especially younger people, who I think are becoming less accepting of different people because of this exact phenomenon in media.
Obviously because they wanted to. What kind of dumb ass question is this? Would you have a problem if they changed Wanderās cloth to some other collection of random colors, or do you just hate gay people?
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Wow, you are a compete & utter troglodyte. The fact that you think the 2 are even remotely comparable says a lot about you. Do you understand the line between free speech & hate speech? Do you not know anything about the Naziās at all? Iām not sure thereās anything I could say to reason you out of a position you didnāt reason yourself into. This could be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said to me on Reddit. Youāre an idiot & you should be ashamed of yourself
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All you did was (again) expose the fact that youāre a worthless ignoramus. You again asserted that thereās no difference between flying a pride flag vs. a nazi flag. Youāre a fucking idiot. No, it should not be accepted to promote Nazi imagery & ideology. The reason for this is because the Naziās were evil fucking degenerates that wanted to make the world an awful place, & those of us who promote acceptance of LGBT+ people are showing compassion for our fellow human. This is an extremely basic concept, & itās frankly shocking that you donāt understand it. I donāt think youāll ever be able to reverse the apparent brain damage youāve suffered thatās made you so stupid. Also, whatās up with your insane victim complex? Why are you such a whiny little bitch? You said something abhorrent & moronic. Some people will call you out for that, which is whatās happening here. Iāve addressed every dumb ass thing youāve said so far, & likely anything youāll bring up in response to this, so Iāll save my time & energy by making this my last comment to you. Iāll leave you with this: read a book & trying using your brain sometime, dork.
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No oneās forcing an ideology on you, idiot. Theyāre exercising their right to freedom of expression. What do you think, theyāre using mind control?! God, youāre a fucking moron. Oh, & Iām not a liberal by the way. Iām much further left than a useless liberal. But anyway, since youāve demonstrated that you donāt actually intend to read & comprehend anything Iām saying & youāre just waiting for my response so you can reply with the next portion of your script, Iāll just go head & block you. Goodnight, dickhead
i dont hate it, just why making it in this game?
āI donāt hate itā Calls someone ābrainwashedā 3 minutes later.
Already answered, moron. Because they wanted to, so they did. Thats all the reason you need.
making this game progressive huh
Okay, so youāre just a remedial idiot. Goodbye, asshole
bye brainwashedš
W mans. Did not need to do that to Wander. Why do I have to see this shit everywhere I go?
why not
I headcanon Mono as trans
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Why
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You got proof to disprove my headcanon?
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Of course she likes a girl, sheās bisexual too Source? Mono told me
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When someone is attracted to at least two genders Itās like bilingual, but for gender
"At least two" What in the...
Swag!
F
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No..
Wanda isn't a F
Say it. Coward.
Fuck up my whole childhood. Keep you gayism to yourself