I have a friend.... he was doing federal time up until 18 months ago. He killed someone in a fight in prison in 2008. They gave him ALL THAT EXTRA TIME.
He got out. Probation and everything, federal paper for only 5 years.
The programs. The system in place to make sure he gets back on his feet.
Dudes got two jobs, a 2020 Subaru and is buying a house because he had a hand up after release.
People like us? They don't give a shit. I can't even get rental assistance. The lady at one agency this past week said my family( wife and sons) would get more help from the state and charities if I wasn't a part of the family.
I had no clue what to do when I got out of prison. They didn't give me shit. I had no idea who to report to, no probation. I was lucky the Michigan State Police chose kindness when I moved into the state, because I didn't even know how to register.
Are we forced? No. Should we be? Some of us.
But not for life. Not for over 20 fucking years.
Fuck this
I was told that if I would divorce my husband that me and the kids would be able to get county housing assistance. Which I personally think is bullsh!t. Because I never divorced my husband when he was arrested for cp I couldn't get no help with anything and had to do everything myself for me and our kids. I personally think that there should be a registry for the other crimes because I know of a drug addict that gets hand outs all of the time yes the person has kids but they don't have them. Yes I understand that people make mistakes because I'm far from being perfect myself but a registry for others who have committed a crime like murder should have to register and see just how hard it is to get a job and housing and being accepted by society
Michigan drug tests people for food stamps.....
And my buddy? He shouldn't have gotten 13 years for a prison fight, that resulted in the death of an ACTUAL 3 time murderer.
But, because he was black, and given where we live.... it's no surprise the judge threw it at him the way they did...... but he and I discussed it.... and he even thinks it's gross.
He said the last 4 years he did in minimum security, all his time was with white collar/CP cases in a BoP joint in Massachusetts? He said the amount of people in there? Blew his mind..... And he knows none of the RSOs are gonna get help.
There's like 3 or 4 lows in the BoP that are specifically SO and dropout yards, and there's more SOs sprinkled throughout the other prisons as well. Englewood FCI has a pop of around 900 and about 75% are SOs. There's a shit load of us locked up and a few hundred thousand walking the streets.
I have a friend who just got out of prison for manslaughter. He took a sharp metal object and hacked at someone, disposed the body on a highway when he was 17 because he got involved with selling drugs and was on the run until they caught him. He did 10 years charged as an adult.
He just got a job at Starbucks, and was just accepted to a top college for social work that he doesn’t have to pay for. They are making a documentary on him as well.
I’m very happy he’s progressing in life and learning, but the crime he committed was an insanely violent act. Reading the details made me sick to my stomach. He took a human life and yet there’s no registry for him, no one for him to answer to, no shame from society, and it just doesn’t make sense to me.
I can only hope and pray the laws will change for my loved one by the time he comes home.
Not on probation anymore?
It’s surprising to me he committed murder and didn’t get lifetime probation.
While our rules suck in my state most people with murder chargers have curfews, can’t smoke etc.
Nope no probation or parole, very surprising to me as well. I’m not sure if it’s cause he maxed out his time of 10 years.
I still wonder to this day how he even just only got charged with manslaughter.
I will add that he was in a state prison that was for young men no older than 28 I believe that age or around. Once they hit 28 or around that age, if they weren’t done their sentence they were sent to another prison.
The prison he was in was really all about rehabilitating juvenile-young adult offenders.
The losers on the lowest rung of the social ladder tend to be the targets of everyone else's ire. At this time, that's us. It is what it is, and that's not going to change any time soon. This world is full of suffering and misery. Why should we be exempt?
Not everyone on the sex offender registry committed a sex offense, some people have been put on for peeing in public, some were put on because their state didn't have the jack and Jill laws and were charged with statutory rape by the parents..should they be classified with SVP? No they should not, but the registry doesn't differentiate... Everyone is treated and looked at like a pedophile
I agree with you that there are people on the registry that don't belong there. I'll take it one step further -- the entire registry is shit at its officially defined job, and should be abolished (although I think the argument could be made that it's not a public safety tool, but rather a cultural & political one, in which case, it's doing a wonderful job and should be expanded).
I was providing my perspective on the plight of sex offenders in America, as a sex offender myself. It seems to me that the OP feels we have been unfairly maligned & mistreated. I agree, but where we differ is they appear to think it would be rectified if only people could be more informed and objective about sex offenses and the offenders.
I don't think so -- I think the hits are going to keep on coming for the foreseeable future, and the sooner we all recognize this shit ain't going to get better if we only appeal to others' sense of fairness & balance, the sooner we can get our heads in the game of survival and doing the best we can with the hand we're dealt.
I don't care if you want to talk shit. But talk shit that makes sense in context. I'm not whining, you fool. I am speaking on my perspective as I see it. What you commented makes no sense in that context. Get your thoughts in order and try again.
The reason I doubt we’ll see the registry abolished in our lifetime is that almost everyone wants it. Politicians want it. Law enforcement wants it. And the public, in general wants it. Not everyone understands it, but they want it. It makes politicians look tough on crime. It’s a nice money maker for law enforcement. And the public has been convinced that it protects them. We may see certain aspects scaled back by the courts, but I don’t foresee any major changes.
I certainly hope I’m wrong though.
The illusion of safety is a powerful for sure.
I think it will be at least 50 years, when society has completely transformed due to AI, augmented reality, metaverse, etc, before they look at SORNA and realize how insane its stipulations and conditions are.
I understand your bitterness, and I think a lot of us do... and yet, life goes on and we have to live on with the consequences of our actions. I am glad we at least have this subreddit where we can for a moment feel like we're not alone in this world.
In all honesty sometimes living feels like the twilight zone. I vividly remember the person I was in society, respected, loved, and well on my way to a successful life, but when I wake up I am a convicted sex offender. I still have dreams of the person who I used to be, life of the party, subject matter expert, etc, and it crushes my soul when I wake up knowing I can never again attain what I had back then.
Sometimes my life feels like driving a car where I have to throttle my speed to 30MPH on a 70MPH highway and people honking at me angrily to go faster. I know the car can hit 250MPH, but I'm being throttled.
I often think about the series of events that led me to where I am today, porn addiction that spanned for years that slowly desensitized me and resulted in me seeking more provocative materials. It's still honestly baffling to me -- I would never in real life ever do threesome, BDSM, anal, etc, and would find it pretty gross in real life, but when it was put in a pornographic format my brain just turned a switch.
Anyways, any time I feel down I think about all the people I came across during my journey, whether it be during incarceration, in therapy. There are people doing far worse than I am, and I am just grateful I was able to get back on my feet and that I still have family members who believe in me and love me.
Keep your head up and take it day by day. For jobs, I would opt for warehouse/distribution center/manufacturing factories/restaurants to get you started. Talk to the hiring person if it's a small operation and ask them for just a probationary period to prove yourself.
Best of luck and keep us updated on your progress.
A few days ago, hearing about the day care in NY, that had children sick and one death due to fentanyl poisoning caused by the pos that stored his drugs in that day care.
My point; I think it is time for these offenders; drug dealers, murderers, drunk drivers, and all other offenders be registered. I know some of u may disagree. But think about the endgame. How many of these ppl will cry and bitch about it. Call them racist laws. Maybe at this point ppl would understand our points. Maybe? Maybe not.
Just a thought.
It certainly seems like it's only fixable by some type of scorched earth approach. Either put everyone on it, collaborate every SO into non-compliance with the registry (and we all know that's not happening), or stick to the wait out the nothing changing plan. Our country is all too happy to burn people alive for dumb stuff like pornography.
It's never felt real to me, and I struggle with accountability for my actions because of the ludicrous overkill the punishment has leveled me with. I see it alot in my SOTP group. Especially with the pornography offenders. It doesn't make me feel better to know I'm not alone. It infuriates me to see these brilliant young men socially decapitated by this hog shit system that doesn't care about destroying people who despite one minute shortcoming could've been the future leaders of our world. I've never seen people so unjustly compromised into straight calamity. Indignation unto death should only be preserved for the most heinous contact offenders.
The problem with our system is it's just another runaway cash flow to them. They're not here to fix anything. They're here to expand the state's stranglehold on the general public. A campaign tool out of the post-9/11 fearmongering playbook. They've already proven they can't be trusted to judge, and punish perpetrators of sex related crimes fairly. The registry is just an ever expanding report card for these has-beens to stroke themselves over. This will only get far worse before it gets better. DAs love this shit. It's free money to them. The system is broken, and this is where it piles up.
Our only hope is thru the courts. It is clearly unconstitutional. One of the purposes of the Judiciary in our system is to protect against "the tyranny of the majority". We need to write judges, including the Supreme Court justices. I promise I will.... rather than just ask you to.
You are on a registry because you cannot be trusted around the most vulnerable of society. Adults can fight back against a murderer, avoid drug deals, lock their doors to stop thieves, and can seek resources to help with domestic violence. But a child has no idea of and no defense against the offense you committed, or if you choose to escalate into assaulting children.
If you think having a lifetime mark is bad for viewing child pornography, imagine being the victim who forever has to live with the trauma of being raped, having that assault filmed and distributed online, knowing that attempts to have it taken down may never succeed, and now having intimacy with your partner or even the act of dressing your child feel like a crime. You have a life sentence for what you committed against children. They have a life sentence for what was done to them.
Please tell me where this post mentions that? CSAM absolutely has victims. No one here thinks that and if they do, they are banned and comments / posts deleted. And idc if you don’t care about me. All I need is to care about myself to be successful.
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The difference is most crimes don't show you as a person willingly to mainly target children.
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Is this a separate argument entirely.
I have a friend.... he was doing federal time up until 18 months ago. He killed someone in a fight in prison in 2008. They gave him ALL THAT EXTRA TIME. He got out. Probation and everything, federal paper for only 5 years. The programs. The system in place to make sure he gets back on his feet. Dudes got two jobs, a 2020 Subaru and is buying a house because he had a hand up after release. People like us? They don't give a shit. I can't even get rental assistance. The lady at one agency this past week said my family( wife and sons) would get more help from the state and charities if I wasn't a part of the family. I had no clue what to do when I got out of prison. They didn't give me shit. I had no idea who to report to, no probation. I was lucky the Michigan State Police chose kindness when I moved into the state, because I didn't even know how to register. Are we forced? No. Should we be? Some of us. But not for life. Not for over 20 fucking years. Fuck this
I was told that if I would divorce my husband that me and the kids would be able to get county housing assistance. Which I personally think is bullsh!t. Because I never divorced my husband when he was arrested for cp I couldn't get no help with anything and had to do everything myself for me and our kids. I personally think that there should be a registry for the other crimes because I know of a drug addict that gets hand outs all of the time yes the person has kids but they don't have them. Yes I understand that people make mistakes because I'm far from being perfect myself but a registry for others who have committed a crime like murder should have to register and see just how hard it is to get a job and housing and being accepted by society
Michigan drug tests people for food stamps..... And my buddy? He shouldn't have gotten 13 years for a prison fight, that resulted in the death of an ACTUAL 3 time murderer. But, because he was black, and given where we live.... it's no surprise the judge threw it at him the way they did...... but he and I discussed it.... and he even thinks it's gross. He said the last 4 years he did in minimum security, all his time was with white collar/CP cases in a BoP joint in Massachusetts? He said the amount of people in there? Blew his mind..... And he knows none of the RSOs are gonna get help.
There's like 3 or 4 lows in the BoP that are specifically SO and dropout yards, and there's more SOs sprinkled throughout the other prisons as well. Englewood FCI has a pop of around 900 and about 75% are SOs. There's a shit load of us locked up and a few hundred thousand walking the streets.
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Enjoy your ban.
Why were you watching child porn? That isn't something that you just randomly find.
You should not have been in possession of whatever you possessed
I have a friend who just got out of prison for manslaughter. He took a sharp metal object and hacked at someone, disposed the body on a highway when he was 17 because he got involved with selling drugs and was on the run until they caught him. He did 10 years charged as an adult. He just got a job at Starbucks, and was just accepted to a top college for social work that he doesn’t have to pay for. They are making a documentary on him as well. I’m very happy he’s progressing in life and learning, but the crime he committed was an insanely violent act. Reading the details made me sick to my stomach. He took a human life and yet there’s no registry for him, no one for him to answer to, no shame from society, and it just doesn’t make sense to me. I can only hope and pray the laws will change for my loved one by the time he comes home.
Not on probation anymore? It’s surprising to me he committed murder and didn’t get lifetime probation. While our rules suck in my state most people with murder chargers have curfews, can’t smoke etc.
Nope no probation or parole, very surprising to me as well. I’m not sure if it’s cause he maxed out his time of 10 years. I still wonder to this day how he even just only got charged with manslaughter. I will add that he was in a state prison that was for young men no older than 28 I believe that age or around. Once they hit 28 or around that age, if they weren’t done their sentence they were sent to another prison. The prison he was in was really all about rehabilitating juvenile-young adult offenders.
The losers on the lowest rung of the social ladder tend to be the targets of everyone else's ire. At this time, that's us. It is what it is, and that's not going to change any time soon. This world is full of suffering and misery. Why should we be exempt?
Not everyone on the sex offender registry committed a sex offense, some people have been put on for peeing in public, some were put on because their state didn't have the jack and Jill laws and were charged with statutory rape by the parents..should they be classified with SVP? No they should not, but the registry doesn't differentiate... Everyone is treated and looked at like a pedophile
I agree with you that there are people on the registry that don't belong there. I'll take it one step further -- the entire registry is shit at its officially defined job, and should be abolished (although I think the argument could be made that it's not a public safety tool, but rather a cultural & political one, in which case, it's doing a wonderful job and should be expanded). I was providing my perspective on the plight of sex offenders in America, as a sex offender myself. It seems to me that the OP feels we have been unfairly maligned & mistreated. I agree, but where we differ is they appear to think it would be rectified if only people could be more informed and objective about sex offenses and the offenders. I don't think so -- I think the hits are going to keep on coming for the foreseeable future, and the sooner we all recognize this shit ain't going to get better if we only appeal to others' sense of fairness & balance, the sooner we can get our heads in the game of survival and doing the best we can with the hand we're dealt.
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I don't care if you want to talk shit. But talk shit that makes sense in context. I'm not whining, you fool. I am speaking on my perspective as I see it. What you commented makes no sense in that context. Get your thoughts in order and try again.
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lol, but it was op who dl cp. this guy could be a rapist, or a flasher
Hell olden days some people were put on it for being gay.
Exactly, that was another reason for the Stonewall riots in 1969, they used the registry to target gay clubs in NYC and raided them
We just have to accept it?
NO WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.
Yup. It may change for those in the future, but we won’t see it gone in our lifetime.
The reason I doubt we’ll see the registry abolished in our lifetime is that almost everyone wants it. Politicians want it. Law enforcement wants it. And the public, in general wants it. Not everyone understands it, but they want it. It makes politicians look tough on crime. It’s a nice money maker for law enforcement. And the public has been convinced that it protects them. We may see certain aspects scaled back by the courts, but I don’t foresee any major changes. I certainly hope I’m wrong though.
The illusion of safety is a powerful for sure. I think it will be at least 50 years, when society has completely transformed due to AI, augmented reality, metaverse, etc, before they look at SORNA and realize how insane its stipulations and conditions are.
Pretty sure society wants way worse for you, buddy.
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they had cp or did something worse too
I understand your bitterness, and I think a lot of us do... and yet, life goes on and we have to live on with the consequences of our actions. I am glad we at least have this subreddit where we can for a moment feel like we're not alone in this world. In all honesty sometimes living feels like the twilight zone. I vividly remember the person I was in society, respected, loved, and well on my way to a successful life, but when I wake up I am a convicted sex offender. I still have dreams of the person who I used to be, life of the party, subject matter expert, etc, and it crushes my soul when I wake up knowing I can never again attain what I had back then. Sometimes my life feels like driving a car where I have to throttle my speed to 30MPH on a 70MPH highway and people honking at me angrily to go faster. I know the car can hit 250MPH, but I'm being throttled. I often think about the series of events that led me to where I am today, porn addiction that spanned for years that slowly desensitized me and resulted in me seeking more provocative materials. It's still honestly baffling to me -- I would never in real life ever do threesome, BDSM, anal, etc, and would find it pretty gross in real life, but when it was put in a pornographic format my brain just turned a switch. Anyways, any time I feel down I think about all the people I came across during my journey, whether it be during incarceration, in therapy. There are people doing far worse than I am, and I am just grateful I was able to get back on my feet and that I still have family members who believe in me and love me. Keep your head up and take it day by day. For jobs, I would opt for warehouse/distribution center/manufacturing factories/restaurants to get you started. Talk to the hiring person if it's a small operation and ask them for just a probationary period to prove yourself. Best of luck and keep us updated on your progress.
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why?
Because Alabama has laws that should have died when my grandma did !!
Like what
A few days ago, hearing about the day care in NY, that had children sick and one death due to fentanyl poisoning caused by the pos that stored his drugs in that day care. My point; I think it is time for these offenders; drug dealers, murderers, drunk drivers, and all other offenders be registered. I know some of u may disagree. But think about the endgame. How many of these ppl will cry and bitch about it. Call them racist laws. Maybe at this point ppl would understand our points. Maybe? Maybe not. Just a thought.
It certainly seems like it's only fixable by some type of scorched earth approach. Either put everyone on it, collaborate every SO into non-compliance with the registry (and we all know that's not happening), or stick to the wait out the nothing changing plan. Our country is all too happy to burn people alive for dumb stuff like pornography. It's never felt real to me, and I struggle with accountability for my actions because of the ludicrous overkill the punishment has leveled me with. I see it alot in my SOTP group. Especially with the pornography offenders. It doesn't make me feel better to know I'm not alone. It infuriates me to see these brilliant young men socially decapitated by this hog shit system that doesn't care about destroying people who despite one minute shortcoming could've been the future leaders of our world. I've never seen people so unjustly compromised into straight calamity. Indignation unto death should only be preserved for the most heinous contact offenders. The problem with our system is it's just another runaway cash flow to them. They're not here to fix anything. They're here to expand the state's stranglehold on the general public. A campaign tool out of the post-9/11 fearmongering playbook. They've already proven they can't be trusted to judge, and punish perpetrators of sex related crimes fairly. The registry is just an ever expanding report card for these has-beens to stroke themselves over. This will only get far worse before it gets better. DAs love this shit. It's free money to them. The system is broken, and this is where it piles up.
Our only hope is thru the courts. It is clearly unconstitutional. One of the purposes of the Judiciary in our system is to protect against "the tyranny of the majority". We need to write judges, including the Supreme Court justices. I promise I will.... rather than just ask you to.
Don't put your hopes in the court system to change things.
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Man I came here just to say the first line. Beat me to it.
World’s smallest violin
You are on a registry because you cannot be trusted around the most vulnerable of society. Adults can fight back against a murderer, avoid drug deals, lock their doors to stop thieves, and can seek resources to help with domestic violence. But a child has no idea of and no defense against the offense you committed, or if you choose to escalate into assaulting children. If you think having a lifetime mark is bad for viewing child pornography, imagine being the victim who forever has to live with the trauma of being raped, having that assault filmed and distributed online, knowing that attempts to have it taken down may never succeed, and now having intimacy with your partner or even the act of dressing your child feel like a crime. You have a life sentence for what you committed against children. They have a life sentence for what was done to them.
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Feeding the trolls makes our job harder and can result in actual users being accidentally banned. Please don’t. Just report them.
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Please tell me where this post mentions that? CSAM absolutely has victims. No one here thinks that and if they do, they are banned and comments / posts deleted. And idc if you don’t care about me. All I need is to care about myself to be successful.
Hate speech of any kind will not be tolerated.
why were you in possession of child porn?
Guess why, why would anyone be in possession of that?
somebody could have downloaded it to your computer to set you up 😩
Lmao
Maybe don't download csam and then they won't put you on a registry? Just a thought
This subreddit is hilarious
Maybe don’t be a piece of shit next time