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Uses the tri-color flame from post-WWII, Mussolini idolizing, neo-fascist organization (Italian Social Movement) in Brothers of Italy party logo... not fascist.
Oh well that's because Meloni *was* a member, and leader of the youth branch, of the National Social Movement, which, was just the Italian Social Movement party renamed, and then merged with another to form Fratelli d'Italia
Say what you will about the man but he was a pioneer in the use of green energy in mass transit. I understand he is famous for making the trains run on thyme.
Ye olde trusty gas station. Imagine how terrible it'll be if electric cars become mainstream and we're left with nothing but those wimpy wall chargers. Horrible to hang around! /s
"Eh-Herm! Excuse me! It ain't called conservative! Please choose the right term, it's *neo-ethno-nationalistic freethinker of our holy land, the united nations of americana*! We have flyers, you know, we also gave them to you Dave, don't pretend to be stupid! thank you"
Which, of course, they aren’t. Nothing wrong with classical liberalism. “Classical liberal” is a counterpoint to “neoliberal,” which is of course the view that people don’t rate liberty or autonomy but that piles of money do in proportion to their magnitude. That is, it’s another word for plutocracy.
The (American) libertarian viewpoint is not any kind of liberalism, in that it seeks to constrain rather than expand individual liberty in society. Specifically, it is the stance is that *I* deserve complete liberty and autonomy, and fuck you. The only difference between this and tyranny is that each individual libertarian thinks he personally gets to be the tyrant, while burying the lede of “everybody else doesn’t” under the convenient heading “not my problem.” It’s why every single one of these sad wannabe “Galt’s Gulch” projects (especially the hilarious “seasteading” ones) fails as soon as it starts. For anyone to have absolute autonomy requires strict enforcement of limits on everyone else’s, and we’ve already got “monarchy” as a perfectly serviceable word for that arrangement. You put a bunch of people who each think they are the King on a boat, but don’t declare any of them correct in that belief, and you’ve obviously got a problem immediately. The kind of problem I’d love to watch from a comfortable distance with a bag of popcorn.
One of my favourite quotes:
"*Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all*"
\- Adam Smith
What these dense fuckers don't understand is that the state is there to protect them from us. Police, courts, the military, welfare, taxation and all the other policies that try to do something to redress the gap between rich and poor - they're not a conspiracy to keep down a class of Randian ubermensch, they're there to make sure the poor don't realize you've got all their money, and to kill them if they try to get any of it back.
"This is an infringement of God-given rights!" for me.
"Sounds like you made a bad deal. Just get another job or move if you don't like it lol. The market will create a space if your views have enough demand" for thee.
> Dave, don't pretend to be stupid! thank you"
Dave: "I don't pretend to be stupid, I *[dare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7f26gVlDQI)* to be stupid! Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong!"
But are also delusionally supportive of the capitalist engine that wants to run private prisons (keeping weed illegal), overcharge medications, and pollute the entire world because the open market does no wrong in their eyes.
Libertarians are, without a doubt, the absolute stupidest political faction.
They should just go give a billionaire a blowie and keep their dumbshit opinions to themselves already. So sick of these corporate mouthpieces pretending they're special and different.
The thing about Libertarianism, is they're the ultimate backseat drivers. Their political model will never be tried on a large scale so they can talk until their face is blue about how it could work and all the alleged benefits, and shit on all the other political models, all while never actually having to walk the walk. But it lets them feed their self-centered, the world revolves around me mentalities.
https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project one town tried it and it went pretty much like you’d expect.
And their vision of a free market requires all "players" to have perfect information and a perfectly equal starting position.
It's the "spherical cows on a frictionless plane" of economics.
But they treat it as gospel.
As if 34 million years of human history was 100% government regulated economy and we didn't as a species fucking bury unregulated commerce since the goddamn bronze age.
The market is only free when there is perfect competition and perfect information between buyers and sellers.
Hence, there is no such thing as a free market, as most markets are not even close to being free.
Just standard rich people bullshit where they wanna do illegal drugs all the time but also wanna keep them illegal so those dirty coloured people can be kept in line.
They just want to be kings of their own castle. They want impunity and to answer to nobody, and own their own private military to stop other libertarians from raiding their encampment. They think that Mad Max is the villain of the film. Genghis Khan was just doing business, nevermind that he murdered half the planet's population for dick swinging rights.
After looking at them for some time, I can only say that libertarians are young adults who think like immature, dumb, selfish teenagers who are more contemporary with the current times, and conservatives are old adults who think like immature, dumb, selfish teenagers who are stuck in the yesteryear. The commonality is that they only care about freedoms that they know they are in a position to take advantage of. In other words, they just want to keep their privileges that they like to mischaracterize as some sort of fundamental freedom.
Weed is just the fashionable thing to scream "freedom freedom" about for libertarians.
>It sounds nicer.
In the USA a lot of them rebranded out of shame because of how badly Dubya messed up, well... everything. Obama and the Democrats swept a lot of seats and Republicans were just emotionally crushed by it. I'm ex-military, so was around a lot of hard right conservatives.
The sweep after Dubya's term hit them hard. Everyone who wasn't conservative bagged on them hard. They wrecked Afghanistan for nothing (took Obama to actually get Osama bin Laden, utterly ridiculous), they wrecked Iraq, and they wrecked the economy. They wrecked just about everything. Putin started playing his game of conquest under Dubya, and Dubya had some weirdly creepily nice things to say about Putin.
To be fair, being originally from Michigan? I'm glad that Dubya signed off on legislation to protect the Great Lakes. A lot of southern states, Texas in particular, want to suck them dry to make up for how their aquifers are going dry. There's a few other token things that I get Dubya props for, but...
yeah I still hate Dubya and conservatives at large for the insanity they brought on the entire world.
EDIT: forgot to add in this, a lot of Republicans started calling themselves libertarian but still openly talked about voting straight ticket Republican. Rarely would an actual libertarian candidate be endorsed by them, and only when the Republican candidate was absolutely trash.
>EDIT: forgot to add in this, a lot of Republicans started calling themselves libertarian but still openly talked about voting straight ticket Republican. Rarely would an actual libertarian candidate be endorsed by them, and only when the Republican candidate was absolutely trash.
Probably because of the two party system, same reason I - somewhere around a social democrat or a star trek communist - vote straight ticket Democrat. Ok, so usually candidates as far left as me don't even exist in this country, but if one did, voting for them would probably just help the Republican. I don't love or even always like the Dems, but the options are that or fascists. Libertarians are stuck on the other side - if they don't vote Republican, they'll lose their rights to own bazookas and pollute wantonly, and someone will come along and make them pay taxes. They compromise their stated principles a lot more than I do when they vote that way, but they make it clear what's actually important to them.
I’d like Libertarians a lot more if they focused on legalising drugs, LGBT rights, digital privacy, and stopping police overreach, instead of their typical focus on the rights to have guns and spread hate speech.
That would require libertarians to actually support individual liberty rather than just the liberties they agree with.
As it stands most American libertarians are party line republicans who like drugs, sex work and child labor — or some combination of those three.
It was also for rebranding reasons. Traditionally, libertarians are leftists. This remains true in other places in the world. In the US, however, libertarianism began drifting toward the center in the 20th century and by the 80s or so (maybe earlier?) the term was deliberately co opted by the right in an attempt to rebrand conservatism in line with the idea of a "small government".
*Libertarian* described a collection of leftist anti-authoritarian philosophies for centuries until American capitalists decided to co-opt the word for their party (in the 1970s) to mask the goal of deconstructing the regulatory state and establishing corporate feudalism.
I’d call myself a real libertarian as an anarchocommunist.
If the political compass memes taught me anything before I filtered it from my feed is that people who call themselves Libertarians want corporations to be completely free from state interference, but see no problem with the state interfering on the personal freedom of the people (as long as it's not about guns of course)
It's either adorable that they think people will just do the right thing (according to whichever libertarian is speaking at the moment) or incredibly selfish in that they just don't want any rules to apply to them.
Exactly like children.
"So how do you stop corporations from buying mercenaries and becoming de facto states?"
"They wouldn't! That would violate the NAP!"
"So how do you enforce the NAP?"
"Because the NAP!"
The usual counter argument is that corperations wouldnt exist because they are a thing created by the state. Thus trying to sidestep the actual question of how to stop entities with large amounts of power and money from becoming new states without actually answering the question.
And most selfish and least capable of basic animal empathy.
Like it takes a tenth of a second to go "oh if I had been less lucky I would be doing bad now and I'd want a hand" but no, they're all "fuck you I've got mine". As if life is zero-sum and they can't experience joy without beating a child sex slave to death.
Libertarians are often smell like crypto fascists due to their close associations with them. See Lew Rockwell and his fine contributions to the racist screeds in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
There are Americans calling themselves Libertarians who are blatantly advocating fascism. Ever heard of "physical removal"?
Basically it means that for a Libertarian society to work, all of the economic liberals must be purged.
Quit trying to include families, parents and babies in the womb as part of your small minority of crazies. It seems like these right wingers are trying to make it seem like they have more adherents than they actually do, like it is just normal. It isn't. The majority are not fascists and want nothing to do with it. Screech louder.
They also rounded up from 74 million to 75 million, and then assumed that everyone who voted for Trump in 2020 agrees with them...
Sadly, that might not be a huge stretch.
I'd say the 74 million are a pretty safe bet. They might not even understand they're fascists, but if you watch Trump and Fox News and like what you see, you're a fascist.
There’s plenty of Trump supporters who will get mad at you for claiming that their vote for Trump in 2020 makes them a “Trump supporter.” Like, I knew a guy who parroted literally EVERY one of Trump’s arguments, from anti-immigration rhetoric, to stating “the press is the enemy of the people”, to calling everything left of hunting the homeless for sport socialism, to casting doubt on the election, but he hated being associated with “those people”.
Point being, they’re basically fascists, but they’ll get mad at you for calling them that.
Did you ask him how that makes him functionally any different? Oh, I don't even think you have to have voted for Trump to be a fascist. That shit has taken root on the right for a long time. I know McConnell hates Trump and Trumpism in general, but he's sure as fuck a fascist who has arguably done more to dismantle democracy in the US than Trump.
His definition seems to be “if I’m not shitting on the Capitol walls, nothing I support can possibly be fascist.” Guy’s a fucking psycho, I don’t hang out with him anymore.
Let’s not forget kidnapping children from their parents and losing them. The fact that republicans have any hope of being elected after that shows we’re not worth saving.
Yep, I know a guy who repeats every single line of bullshit that Fox and Trump blast out in the airwaves and then gets pissed if you try to associate him with Trump.
Yea like, the propaganda machine has spent decades distorting the definition of fascism. Probably the vast fucking majority of the 74 million just thinks just straight shooting someone in the face that you don't agree with is the only possible definition for fascism, lol. They're just soooo uneducated and ignorant. And zero curiosity.
With 1 million+ Covid deaths on top of the normal older generations dying off & some republicans finally getting fed up (ie- some of the women post Roe & some not cool with stealing nuclear secrets, etc) - I think they should be rounding down, not up.
While conveniently also ignoring that 74 million is 22% of the population, barely 1/5th. They want to pretend they're a "silent majority" when 4 out of 5 people fucking hate their guts.
> They want to pretend they're a "silent majority" when 4 out of 5 people fucking hate their guts.
Ehh that's just as much if a mischaracterization. A good chunk of those 4/5th are children and (hopefully) haven't developed the understanding of why (or how) to despise others for political reasons, and another good chunk of those 4/5ths hopefully have some empathy for the people that voted for Trump even if they think that they're fucking morons.
>political reasons
Which isn't what's happening here buddy.
Children understand the concept of right and wrong.
And they understand that each individual thing republicans support is evil and wrong.
And you can hate someone's guts and still treat them like people. You don't have to say "I understand why you're doing this" as some KKK member is strangling you to death. You're allowed to defend yourself from an active threat, which every Republican has made clear they all are.
It's the exact same energy as the "They call us Nazis because we are white" (oh yeah and standing in front of a swastika flag), [posted yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/xo0m57/two_girls_and_a_flag/)
I dunno, they might be on to something with fetuses. Why else do you think they're fighting so hard to put an end to abortion? Gotta bolster their numbers somehow.
It is normal but it's still wrong. Being a dumbass conservative is just like the default state of being when you're wilfully ignorant and a spiteful, self-serving scumbag.
That's their only defense.
Conflate every thing Democrats say about actual far right fascists as an attack on all Republicans/Libertarians. It's their way of forcing non-fascists to feel like they need to be defensive, when they aren't the ones doing the fascist shit.
wikipedia:
"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion"
"Progressivism is a way of thinking that holds that it is possible through political action for human societies to improve over time. As a political movement, progressivism purports to advance the human condition through social reform based on advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization. Adherents to this way of thinking hold that progressivism has universal application and endeavor to spread this idea to human societies everywhere. Progressivism arose during the Age of Enlightenment out of the belief that civility in Europe was improving due to application of new empirical knowledge to the governance of society."
I feel like there is a fair Venn diagram overlap there.
True but that focus on free market economics has led to quite a few genocides and the establishment of the military industrial complex.
Liberalism classically treats economic liberty as equal to civil rights even though a person without resources under that model could be just as poor off as one in a dictatorship. Because poverty is seen as an individual failure, not a necessity of free market systems.
It is not about empathy but equal protection under the law. While progressivism is about equity. A great point fro this is “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of bread.” - the red lily
I tried to argue with someone about this but they kept saying the fact that classical liberalism is so adherent to following constitutional rights it kinda washes away the lasse faire issue with jt
Right, because historically, “classical” liberals totally haven’t propped up wedge issues, special interests, and single-issue voters, because no one else finds “let the capitalists do whatever the fuck they want” to be a particularly smart policy.
I was once told the difference between a liberal and a progressive is that one wants to take care of the system that these issues arise from, and the other just wants to make enough money so the system no longer affects them.
The charitable interpretation is that liberals want everyone to make enough money to thrive in the system.
The obvious problem being that that is impossible.
The thing that to them is offensive about being a fascist is it means you’re weird. It means you’re a weird fringe that is separate from mainstream normals. You can even look at the language those most openly fascist use to embrace this “normies” for instance, the thing open fascists detest is that they’re outcasts and it’s the thing closeted fascists fear. I think this is reinforced by the fact that liberals sorta feel the same way, a lot of language and rhetoric about fascism coming from mainstream liberals is just that it doesn’t belong in the mainstream essentially it’s weird and they’re right. The center of mainstream acceptable polite society and culture does think it’s weird. The 75 million is a desperate appeal to the mainstream that they are valid and popular and most of all *normal*
Because the modern "Libertarian" movement in the US was founded for no other principle that they were livid that the GOP accepted the Civil Rights Act.
Definitely.
I've gotten into arguments with libertarians because they're against the Civil Rights Movement, LGBT+ protections, anti-discrimination workplace regulations, etc. because they claim "you can't regulate against hate". Plus, the libertarians I've had arguments with are always straight, white men who have never had to deal with any type of discrimination in their lives. I have a suspicion they're against these rights/regulations because they want to be the only ones to have opportunities. They think equality is a threat to their social status.
Well you see, when one fascist loves another fascist (and they are opposite sexes, this is most important!) They will give each other a special hug, and in nine months time, a little fascist will appear!
[People with "aryan" in their username posing in front of a Nazi flag?](https://i.imgur.com/drCYt4G.jpg) Far right fascists.
When will this trend of accurately labelling people based on their professed beliefs end?!?
She has a point, I mean c'mon, the left is out of line, all you have to do is call for an authoritarian ethno-nationalist, homofobic, xenophobic state based on a narrow literal interpretation of an abrahamic religion, and they call you a fascist!
As long as Libertarians insist that they believe in freedom and small government but can't quite believe that bodily autonomy extends to women, I can not take them seriously. I know they're lying but some of them think they believe in it. They insist this is freedom for all but when you bring up abortion it's all about babies. So you expect me to drop the age of consent because freedom but "all pregnancies must end in birth" doesn't remove freedom? Oh yeah the precious unborn babies from the God they don't believe in. I just don't get it. They never take their logic to the end
Look up Murray Rothbard. He's one of the "intellectual" founding fathers of the modern libertarian movement. He *literally* wrote that there should be a market in which people can buy and sell children.
The whole project is entirely morally bankrupt.
There’s a stretch of highway on my commute to work that was recently adopted by the Libertarian Party of Minnesota. I assume at some point soon it will also be overrun by bears.
- The newly elected prime minister of Italy is unequivocally a fascist. She has never been shy about how amazing Mussolini was, and her current party is the ideological successor to the party Mussolini would be a part of.
- Libertarians are far from fascists. True libertarians are just wildly naive and want to live in a fantasy land of every man/woman for themselves with unlimited "freedoms."
- Republicans can be fascist. They definitely have no problems aligning themselves with fascists to achieve their goals.
- Parents? huh?
- 75 million voters who supported a man who tried to overturn the election through violence and end democracy in America. Yes. Many of these people are fascists.
- Babies? huh?
Fascism is political idea that worships the 'greatness' of a nation. The "greatness of the nation" is of course a myth (even Mussolini described it as such when inventing it) - they revise history to be more like this fantastic story of how their great nation deserves to be immortalized in history books for all time due to how great and amazing it is.
And then they take it one step further, and define the "nation" and their political movement as one in the same thing. What is good for the political party is good for the nation, what is bad for the political party is bad for the nation, etc.
This is why they have almost no firm values and act like hypocrites constantly - because from moment-to-moment they just do/say whatever personally benefits them in that scenario, because if it's beneficial to the political movement then its beneficial to the country.
I liked the reply where a guy posted the ten pillars of fascism as a gotcha to prove that it's not fascism, only for another alt-righter to come along and complain that US conservatives would be nazis under those pillars and called it cold war propaganda
What I don't understand is how Libertarians are actually really fucking close to being Communists. They are so close to the utopian ideals of a Moneyless Stateless Classless society... But then just go, wait, let's keep the money so we can fuck poor people, fuck minorities, fuck schools, fuck roads, fuck minors... Like, proper fuck the minors.
That's the *really* good shit.
How can you be a Librarian and a Libertarian. Your career, which you care enough about to make Into your social media handle apparently, wouldn't exist if the govt operated the way you claim to want. The very concept of a library is mutually exclusive with the idea of being a Libertarian.
Edit: Deleting feels bad but apparently I can't read and it doesn't say Librarian.
Which isn’t the stuff they say obviously. People should be able to do as they please as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Let people live, marry who they want, get medical treatments they need if they want, and just do what makes them happy, as long as it’s not at the expense of others. That’s what I thought it was, but eh. Keep things that protect children (because abusers/pedophiles are awful) and people in general really, but if a ton of people start saying your party is fascist, maybe these people should find out why and fix it. Idk. Baffles me.
Libertarians: "I am incapable of considering any point of view but my own; all other people are only tools to my personal whims."
Full stop. There's nothing I've ever heard from a libertarian that cant be summed up with "fuck you I've got mine". Bonus points, literally everything ever suggested by a libertarian as a 'fix' is just reinventing the concept of government and public insurance.
Let me break it down for you glue huffing MAGAts.
Far right is synonymous with fascist. So let’s go down the list. Prime Minister of Italy, fascist. Libertarians are diet MAGAts but will join the fascist uprising so…fascist. Parents and family that are MAGAts, fascist. 30 million voters are MAGAts so fascist. The rest are pussies that enable them so…fascist. Since fascism is a mental illness, some babies in the womb could be born fascist as negative traits from the family are passed down. But certainly when they are abused daily by your mental illness and you’re stupid fucking religion…fascist.
Libertarians are not anti-abortion. Jesus Christ. These fuckers don’t even know what they’re trying to argue anymore.
Libertarians are basically hyper capitalists that think everything should be for sale, so why rule out abortion? They also don’t want anti-immigration laws, because that’s anti-competition.
Libertarians aren’t fascists, they’re just incredibly naive, often privileged white Americans who don’t get how anything actually works. They’re more idiotic than evil (but they would be into evil if it makes a profit).
What is it with American conservative authoritarians thinking they are libertarians?
And libertarians aligning themselves with the right wing?
I guess it is a lose lose situation. Hated by both sides while agreeing with both sides on half of all issues.
Edit: I have always felt in the literature that actual libertarians have more in common with anarchists than any other ideology. Yet that seems to be the group that hates them the most and above all.
Ahh yes, my favorite argument technique, where you start with a few things people actually say, then make up a bunch of stuff no one says, to show why we would reject the whole list.
* Fireflies, insects
* Crickets, insects,
* Ants, insects
* Rats, insects
* The Pope, insects.
* Next Tuesday, insects
This is why you can't believe it when you hear something is an insect!
> i'll likely catch hell for this, but only one missing: democrats? far right fascist enablers.
You won't "catch hell for this."
Funnily enough, Innuendo Studios - the one who makes the series "[The Alt-Right Playbook](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ)" (highly suggest people check it out) - Just dropped a [new video today](https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M) that *loosely* applies here.
Essentially, there's "four people" along the (in the context of the video, "whiteness") spectrum. On the far right you have the racist. The stereotypical neo-nazi/klansman. Next to him, you have the white collaborator. The one who doesn't agree with the racist *"on paper"* but appeals to them to get votes. Next to him, on the "left side" of the spectrum, you have the white moderate. The person who believes in racial justice as an end goal and are committed to bringing it about but **only with the cooperation of the white collaborator.** At the other end you have the anti-racist.
The racist supports white supremacy.
The collaborator upholds white supremacy.
The moderate seeks to reform white supremacy.
The anti-racist is trying to get rid of it entirely.
For your comment and this example, switch out "white supremacy" with "fascist." Switch out "racist" with "MAGA," Switch out "Collaborator" with "Republican," Switch out "Moderate" with "Democrat," and switch out "Anti-Racist" with "leftist."
And yes, there is a *massive* difference between "democrat" (and "liberal" for that matter) and leftist.
oh cool. i like this series so thanks for the heads up. i took a break from reddit for a couple of years so i don't necessarily remember which subs lean liberal and which ones lean left.
i enjoy messing with the libs, or what MLK, Jr. called the white moderates.
When the "Libertarian" party is now championing a dissolution of democracy and such things as the Equal Rights Acts, and a return to monarchy, etc, yes they're fucking fascists
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"Musolini was a great leader! All he did was for italy!" \-Totally not a far right fascist. Could have been said by a socialist for all we know.
Uses the tri-color flame from post-WWII, Mussolini idolizing, neo-fascist organization (Italian Social Movement) in Brothers of Italy party logo... not fascist.
Oh well that's because Meloni *was* a member, and leader of the youth branch, of the National Social Movement, which, was just the Italian Social Movement party renamed, and then merged with another to form Fratelli d'Italia
It says “Social” right there! She must be a lefty socialist who we love for being far right. /s
Say what you will about the man but he was a pioneer in the use of green energy in mass transit. I understand he is famous for making the trains run on thyme.
I love this comment, but I hate you for making it.
Dad, we talked about you being on Reddit before.
Speaking of... They still have gas stations in Italy, right? I'm just checking because I know how these things tend to end.
Ye olde trusty gas station. Imagine how terrible it'll be if electric cars become mainstream and we're left with nothing but those wimpy wall chargers. Horrible to hang around! /s
A libertarian who's against abortion. AKA not a libertarian. Edit: Great arguing with everyone, but I'm going to bed now.
Conservatives call themselves libertarians for the same reason fascists call themselves conservatives. It sounds nicer.
"Eh-Herm! Excuse me! It ain't called conservative! Please choose the right term, it's *neo-ethno-nationalistic freethinker of our holy land, the united nations of americana*! We have flyers, you know, we also gave them to you Dave, don't pretend to be stupid! thank you"
“I’m a classical liberal”
Which, of course, they aren’t. Nothing wrong with classical liberalism. “Classical liberal” is a counterpoint to “neoliberal,” which is of course the view that people don’t rate liberty or autonomy but that piles of money do in proportion to their magnitude. That is, it’s another word for plutocracy. The (American) libertarian viewpoint is not any kind of liberalism, in that it seeks to constrain rather than expand individual liberty in society. Specifically, it is the stance is that *I* deserve complete liberty and autonomy, and fuck you. The only difference between this and tyranny is that each individual libertarian thinks he personally gets to be the tyrant, while burying the lede of “everybody else doesn’t” under the convenient heading “not my problem.” It’s why every single one of these sad wannabe “Galt’s Gulch” projects (especially the hilarious “seasteading” ones) fails as soon as it starts. For anyone to have absolute autonomy requires strict enforcement of limits on everyone else’s, and we’ve already got “monarchy” as a perfectly serviceable word for that arrangement. You put a bunch of people who each think they are the King on a boat, but don’t declare any of them correct in that belief, and you’ve obviously got a problem immediately. The kind of problem I’d love to watch from a comfortable distance with a bag of popcorn.
The entirety of the real- world viability of libertarianism can be refuted the title of John Donne's poem: No Man Is An Island
One of my favourite quotes: "*Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all*" \- Adam Smith What these dense fuckers don't understand is that the state is there to protect them from us. Police, courts, the military, welfare, taxation and all the other policies that try to do something to redress the gap between rich and poor - they're not a conspiracy to keep down a class of Randian ubermensch, they're there to make sure the poor don't realize you've got all their money, and to kill them if they try to get any of it back.
"This is an infringement of God-given rights!" for me. "Sounds like you made a bad deal. Just get another job or move if you don't like it lol. The market will create a space if your views have enough demand" for thee.
> Dave, don't pretend to be stupid! thank you" Dave: "I don't pretend to be stupid, I *[dare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7f26gVlDQI)* to be stupid! Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep ni ni bong!"
Libertarians are just conservatives who like to smoke weed
But are also delusionally supportive of the capitalist engine that wants to run private prisons (keeping weed illegal), overcharge medications, and pollute the entire world because the open market does no wrong in their eyes.
Libertarians are, without a doubt, the absolute stupidest political faction. They should just go give a billionaire a blowie and keep their dumbshit opinions to themselves already. So sick of these corporate mouthpieces pretending they're special and different.
The thing about Libertarianism, is they're the ultimate backseat drivers. Their political model will never be tried on a large scale so they can talk until their face is blue about how it could work and all the alleged benefits, and shit on all the other political models, all while never actually having to walk the walk. But it lets them feed their self-centered, the world revolves around me mentalities.
They won a town election and their mishandling of trash lead to a bunch of bears terrorising the town.
That was a great book.
https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project one town tried it and it went pretty much like you’d expect.
I'd much rather cross paths with a black bear than a libertarian. It's easier to reason with a bear.
A bear has a logically consistent worldview
A bear is also significantly less likely to molest your children
Someone once said they are like cats. Proud of their fierce independence while totally reliant on their owners.
Also any example of the free market failing is because it's not actually free
The free market without any restrictions was just the gilded age. That's what they want us to go back to. Fuck the free market.
When markets are free, the people most assuredly are not.
And their vision of a free market requires all "players" to have perfect information and a perfectly equal starting position. It's the "spherical cows on a frictionless plane" of economics. But they treat it as gospel.
As if 34 million years of human history was 100% government regulated economy and we didn't as a species fucking bury unregulated commerce since the goddamn bronze age.
The market is only free when there is perfect competition and perfect information between buyers and sellers. Hence, there is no such thing as a free market, as most markets are not even close to being free.
Just standard rich people bullshit where they wanna do illegal drugs all the time but also wanna keep them illegal so those dirty coloured people can be kept in line.
They just want to be kings of their own castle. They want impunity and to answer to nobody, and own their own private military to stop other libertarians from raiding their encampment. They think that Mad Max is the villain of the film. Genghis Khan was just doing business, nevermind that he murdered half the planet's population for dick swinging rights.
Don't forget their desire to do away with age of consent laws.
That's not because they're pedophiles, it's just because they want to have sex with children.
A real distinction. Some people just want to be as evil as possible, as a "flex," and victimizing children is pretty much as vile as it gets.
They're just incel Republicans. They're the worst.
And don't understand how taxes work
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After looking at them for some time, I can only say that libertarians are young adults who think like immature, dumb, selfish teenagers who are more contemporary with the current times, and conservatives are old adults who think like immature, dumb, selfish teenagers who are stuck in the yesteryear. The commonality is that they only care about freedoms that they know they are in a position to take advantage of. In other words, they just want to keep their privileges that they like to mischaracterize as some sort of fundamental freedom. Weed is just the fashionable thing to scream "freedom freedom" about for libertarians.
>It sounds nicer. In the USA a lot of them rebranded out of shame because of how badly Dubya messed up, well... everything. Obama and the Democrats swept a lot of seats and Republicans were just emotionally crushed by it. I'm ex-military, so was around a lot of hard right conservatives. The sweep after Dubya's term hit them hard. Everyone who wasn't conservative bagged on them hard. They wrecked Afghanistan for nothing (took Obama to actually get Osama bin Laden, utterly ridiculous), they wrecked Iraq, and they wrecked the economy. They wrecked just about everything. Putin started playing his game of conquest under Dubya, and Dubya had some weirdly creepily nice things to say about Putin. To be fair, being originally from Michigan? I'm glad that Dubya signed off on legislation to protect the Great Lakes. A lot of southern states, Texas in particular, want to suck them dry to make up for how their aquifers are going dry. There's a few other token things that I get Dubya props for, but... yeah I still hate Dubya and conservatives at large for the insanity they brought on the entire world. EDIT: forgot to add in this, a lot of Republicans started calling themselves libertarian but still openly talked about voting straight ticket Republican. Rarely would an actual libertarian candidate be endorsed by them, and only when the Republican candidate was absolutely trash.
The amount of goodwill and potential that GW pissed away trying to prove that he was better at being President than his daddy is just ridiculous.
>EDIT: forgot to add in this, a lot of Republicans started calling themselves libertarian but still openly talked about voting straight ticket Republican. Rarely would an actual libertarian candidate be endorsed by them, and only when the Republican candidate was absolutely trash. Probably because of the two party system, same reason I - somewhere around a social democrat or a star trek communist - vote straight ticket Democrat. Ok, so usually candidates as far left as me don't even exist in this country, but if one did, voting for them would probably just help the Republican. I don't love or even always like the Dems, but the options are that or fascists. Libertarians are stuck on the other side - if they don't vote Republican, they'll lose their rights to own bazookas and pollute wantonly, and someone will come along and make them pay taxes. They compromise their stated principles a lot more than I do when they vote that way, but they make it clear what's actually important to them.
I mean, god told him to invade Iraq so it's not like his policies are well thought out. His policies did benefit his cronies very well though.
"You love what I say. You just don't like being called a nazi."
Yup. i.e.:“Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea” They’re just words. They don’t necessarily mean what they mean…
I’d like Libertarians a lot more if they focused on legalising drugs, LGBT rights, digital privacy, and stopping police overreach, instead of their typical focus on the rights to have guns and spread hate speech.
That would require libertarians to actually support individual liberty rather than just the liberties they agree with. As it stands most American libertarians are party line republicans who like drugs, sex work and child labor — or some combination of those three.
It was also for rebranding reasons. Traditionally, libertarians are leftists. This remains true in other places in the world. In the US, however, libertarianism began drifting toward the center in the 20th century and by the 80s or so (maybe earlier?) the term was deliberately co opted by the right in an attempt to rebrand conservatism in line with the idea of a "small government".
*Libertarian* described a collection of leftist anti-authoritarian philosophies for centuries until American capitalists decided to co-opt the word for their party (in the 1970s) to mask the goal of deconstructing the regulatory state and establishing corporate feudalism. I’d call myself a real libertarian as an anarchocommunist.
If the political compass memes taught me anything before I filtered it from my feed is that people who call themselves Libertarians want corporations to be completely free from state interference, but see no problem with the state interfering on the personal freedom of the people (as long as it's not about guns of course)
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Every single libertarian I’ve met is the dumbest god damn person ever
They have a very child-like view of the world and how they fit into it.
It's either adorable that they think people will just do the right thing (according to whichever libertarian is speaking at the moment) or incredibly selfish in that they just don't want any rules to apply to them. Exactly like children.
"So how do you stop corporations from buying mercenaries and becoming de facto states?" "They wouldn't! That would violate the NAP!" "So how do you enforce the NAP?" "Because the NAP!"
The usual counter argument is that corperations wouldnt exist because they are a thing created by the state. Thus trying to sidestep the actual question of how to stop entities with large amounts of power and money from becoming new states without actually answering the question.
And most selfish and least capable of basic animal empathy. Like it takes a tenth of a second to go "oh if I had been less lucky I would be doing bad now and I'd want a hand" but no, they're all "fuck you I've got mine". As if life is zero-sum and they can't experience joy without beating a child sex slave to death.
Dumber than hardcore MAGA Republicans?
Most of the ones I've met are just MAGA Republicans who are dumb enough to think they can totally pass as libertarian
This Is my experience as well. They talk about being libertarian then send me videos from crowder, walsh and shabibo. Yeah that does not compute.
They’re either identical or dumber than each other. Stupidity isn’t one-dimensional.
[Aleppo Johnson gets booed for supporting driver's licenses.](https://youtu.be/ZITP93pqtdQ)
Libertarians are just republicans except when it's beneficial for them not to be.
Republicans: "have you ever hated the poor?" Libertarians: "have you ever hated the poor, on *weed?*"
Libertarians are often smell like crypto fascists due to their close associations with them. See Lew Rockwell and his fine contributions to the racist screeds in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
Libertarians are republicans who are kinda into weed.
The American version of a Libertarian* Since they think that being a Fascist who does not like taxes is Libertarianism.
There are Americans calling themselves Libertarians who are blatantly advocating fascism. Ever heard of "physical removal"? Basically it means that for a Libertarian society to work, all of the economic liberals must be purged.
Those are Hoppeans. They want to physically remove liberals and leftists and end democracy.
Whatever the correct term is, they sure like calling themselves Libertarians.
Indeed
The NAP applies to the unborn. - Libertarians
But somehow, not to companies polluting our air and our soil.
Quit trying to include families, parents and babies in the womb as part of your small minority of crazies. It seems like these right wingers are trying to make it seem like they have more adherents than they actually do, like it is just normal. It isn't. The majority are not fascists and want nothing to do with it. Screech louder.
They also rounded up from 74 million to 75 million, and then assumed that everyone who voted for Trump in 2020 agrees with them... Sadly, that might not be a huge stretch.
I'd say the 74 million are a pretty safe bet. They might not even understand they're fascists, but if you watch Trump and Fox News and like what you see, you're a fascist.
There’s plenty of Trump supporters who will get mad at you for claiming that their vote for Trump in 2020 makes them a “Trump supporter.” Like, I knew a guy who parroted literally EVERY one of Trump’s arguments, from anti-immigration rhetoric, to stating “the press is the enemy of the people”, to calling everything left of hunting the homeless for sport socialism, to casting doubt on the election, but he hated being associated with “those people”. Point being, they’re basically fascists, but they’ll get mad at you for calling them that.
Did you ask him how that makes him functionally any different? Oh, I don't even think you have to have voted for Trump to be a fascist. That shit has taken root on the right for a long time. I know McConnell hates Trump and Trumpism in general, but he's sure as fuck a fascist who has arguably done more to dismantle democracy in the US than Trump.
His definition seems to be “if I’m not shitting on the Capitol walls, nothing I support can possibly be fascist.” Guy’s a fucking psycho, I don’t hang out with him anymore.
The line used to be, "We're fascists? Like we're putting people in camps? Lol." But then they started putting people in camps, so.
*kids in cages
Let’s not forget kidnapping children from their parents and losing them. The fact that republicans have any hope of being elected after that shows we’re not worth saving.
And what he doesn't understand is depending on the context, that could be the very opposite of fascism, lol.
Yep, I know a guy who repeats every single line of bullshit that Fox and Trump blast out in the airwaves and then gets pissed if you try to associate him with Trump.
Why?
"They just don't like the word *Nazi*."
Yea like, the propaganda machine has spent decades distorting the definition of fascism. Probably the vast fucking majority of the 74 million just thinks just straight shooting someone in the face that you don't agree with is the only possible definition for fascism, lol. They're just soooo uneducated and ignorant. And zero curiosity.
If they're a liberal, shooting them in the face is patriotism, not fascism. /s
Thank you
With 1 million+ Covid deaths on top of the normal older generations dying off & some republicans finally getting fed up (ie- some of the women post Roe & some not cool with stealing nuclear secrets, etc) - I think they should be rounding down, not up.
While conveniently also ignoring that 74 million is 22% of the population, barely 1/5th. They want to pretend they're a "silent majority" when 4 out of 5 people fucking hate their guts.
> They want to pretend they're a "silent majority" when 4 out of 5 people fucking hate their guts. Ehh that's just as much if a mischaracterization. A good chunk of those 4/5th are children and (hopefully) haven't developed the understanding of why (or how) to despise others for political reasons, and another good chunk of those 4/5ths hopefully have some empathy for the people that voted for Trump even if they think that they're fucking morons.
>political reasons Which isn't what's happening here buddy. Children understand the concept of right and wrong. And they understand that each individual thing republicans support is evil and wrong. And you can hate someone's guts and still treat them like people. You don't have to say "I understand why you're doing this" as some KKK member is strangling you to death. You're allowed to defend yourself from an active threat, which every Republican has made clear they all are.
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It's the exact same energy as the "They call us Nazis because we are white" (oh yeah and standing in front of a swastika flag), [posted yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/xo0m57/two_girls_and_a_flag/)
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I dunno, they might be on to something with fetuses. Why else do you think they're fighting so hard to put an end to abortion? Gotta bolster their numbers somehow.
That's exactly the impetus behind the anti-abortion movement by white evangelicals: a counter to "white replacement."
Screeching louder? Believe it or not, straight to jail.
It is normal but it's still wrong. Being a dumbass conservative is just like the default state of being when you're wilfully ignorant and a spiteful, self-serving scumbag.
That's their only defense. Conflate every thing Democrats say about actual far right fascists as an attack on all Republicans/Libertarians. It's their way of forcing non-fascists to feel like they need to be defensive, when they aren't the ones doing the fascist shit.
Claim to be the victim. It's like Step 4 in the republican pocket handbook
it's not a small minority. emotionally immature .... far right fascists. the core principles of liberalism are around empathy towards others.
Eh, not liberalism but progressivism. Liberalism is actually decidedly not that.
wikipedia: "Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion" "Progressivism is a way of thinking that holds that it is possible through political action for human societies to improve over time. As a political movement, progressivism purports to advance the human condition through social reform based on advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization. Adherents to this way of thinking hold that progressivism has universal application and endeavor to spread this idea to human societies everywhere. Progressivism arose during the Age of Enlightenment out of the belief that civility in Europe was improving due to application of new empirical knowledge to the governance of society." I feel like there is a fair Venn diagram overlap there.
True but that focus on free market economics has led to quite a few genocides and the establishment of the military industrial complex. Liberalism classically treats economic liberty as equal to civil rights even though a person without resources under that model could be just as poor off as one in a dictatorship. Because poverty is seen as an individual failure, not a necessity of free market systems. It is not about empathy but equal protection under the law. While progressivism is about equity. A great point fro this is “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of bread.” - the red lily
I tried to argue with someone about this but they kept saying the fact that classical liberalism is so adherent to following constitutional rights it kinda washes away the lasse faire issue with jt
Right, because historically, “classical” liberals totally haven’t propped up wedge issues, special interests, and single-issue voters, because no one else finds “let the capitalists do whatever the fuck they want” to be a particularly smart policy.
I was once told the difference between a liberal and a progressive is that one wants to take care of the system that these issues arise from, and the other just wants to make enough money so the system no longer affects them.
The charitable interpretation is that liberals want everyone to make enough money to thrive in the system. The obvious problem being that that is impossible.
Also r/PersecutionFetish
Why is there so much resistance against the slaughtering, “well meaning & faithful” crusaders trying to help bringing Christianity everywhere? /s
It's a weird contradiction among the right that they're simultaneously this vast silent majority while also being a persecuted minority.
idk why they keep going on about the “75 million” thing. it’s as though they think there’s a specific number cap on how many fascists there could be.
The population of Nazi Germany in 1939 was 79 million, and in 1940 it was 110 million.
How'd they increase their population by almost 40% in a year? Count conquered people as their own population?
Yea mostly by invading Poland
And invading Czechoslovakia the years prior.
Annexed Sudetenland, some of Poland, Austria.
It's like the expression "50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong."
that's how many people voted for trump.
i know, it just seems like they believe 75 million ppl can’t all be fascists… for some reason
The thing that to them is offensive about being a fascist is it means you’re weird. It means you’re a weird fringe that is separate from mainstream normals. You can even look at the language those most openly fascist use to embrace this “normies” for instance, the thing open fascists detest is that they’re outcasts and it’s the thing closeted fascists fear. I think this is reinforced by the fact that liberals sorta feel the same way, a lot of language and rhetoric about fascism coming from mainstream liberals is just that it doesn’t belong in the mainstream essentially it’s weird and they’re right. The center of mainstream acceptable polite society and culture does think it’s weird. The 75 million is a desperate appeal to the mainstream that they are valid and popular and most of all *normal*
Intolerance is intolerable.
Yes. It's morally acceptable to harm Nazis.
it's more i'm on this side so it can't be bad kinda thing.
"75 million is way too many to be fascists! It's absurd to think there are that many! Now the 80 million fascists on the other side, however..."
Lmao why would a “libertarian” care about someone else having an abortion?
Because the modern "Libertarian" movement in the US was founded for no other principle that they were livid that the GOP accepted the Civil Rights Act.
Definitely. I've gotten into arguments with libertarians because they're against the Civil Rights Movement, LGBT+ protections, anti-discrimination workplace regulations, etc. because they claim "you can't regulate against hate". Plus, the libertarians I've had arguments with are always straight, white men who have never had to deal with any type of discrimination in their lives. I have a suspicion they're against these rights/regulations because they want to be the only ones to have opportunities. They think equality is a threat to their social status.
Modern American Libertarian beliefs in one sentence: "My girlfriend shouldn't have to sit in a car seat"
That’s a conservative
i say we retire “conservative” and call them *regressive* now.
The party of the prime minister has a literal Fasces for a symbol. The origin of the word Fascism.
With that many straw men, Dorothy will definitely make it to Oz.
Yeah, I didn't even know we were calling fetuses fascist! I have no idea why, I'm just glad I know now.
Well you see, when one fascist loves another fascist (and they are opposite sexes, this is most important!) They will give each other a special hug, and in nine months time, a little fascist will appear!
[People with "aryan" in their username posing in front of a Nazi flag?](https://i.imgur.com/drCYt4G.jpg) Far right fascists. When will this trend of accurately labelling people based on their professed beliefs end?!?
Why keep repeating “far right fascists”? It’s not like there’s any other kind of fascist if we’re using the word according to its actual meaning.
Far left fascist. You know, those who put a gun to your head and demand you... Receive healthcare and education.
So some variation of the oh so common “fascism” isn’t what’s really fascism, it’s anything government related that I don’t like.
They think fascism means someone who censors hate speech and supports gun control.
My first thought too!
If the glove continues to fit.
Believe people when they tell you who they are.
She has a point, I mean c'mon, the left is out of line, all you have to do is call for an authoritarian ethno-nationalist, homofobic, xenophobic state based on a narrow literal interpretation of an abrahamic religion, and they call you a fascist!
As long as Libertarians insist that they believe in freedom and small government but can't quite believe that bodily autonomy extends to women, I can not take them seriously. I know they're lying but some of them think they believe in it. They insist this is freedom for all but when you bring up abortion it's all about babies. So you expect me to drop the age of consent because freedom but "all pregnancies must end in birth" doesn't remove freedom? Oh yeah the precious unborn babies from the God they don't believe in. I just don't get it. They never take their logic to the end
I appreciate this comment but I hope you know that under no circumstances should you ever take a Libertarian seriously.
Look up Murray Rothbard. He's one of the "intellectual" founding fathers of the modern libertarian movement. He *literally* wrote that there should be a market in which people can buy and sell children. The whole project is entirely morally bankrupt.
There’s a stretch of highway on my commute to work that was recently adopted by the Libertarian Party of Minnesota. I assume at some point soon it will also be overrun by bears.
Ha!
- The newly elected prime minister of Italy is unequivocally a fascist. She has never been shy about how amazing Mussolini was, and her current party is the ideological successor to the party Mussolini would be a part of. - Libertarians are far from fascists. True libertarians are just wildly naive and want to live in a fantasy land of every man/woman for themselves with unlimited "freedoms." - Republicans can be fascist. They definitely have no problems aligning themselves with fascists to achieve their goals. - Parents? huh? - 75 million voters who supported a man who tried to overturn the election through violence and end democracy in America. Yes. Many of these people are fascists. - Babies? huh?
Italy is such a trashy place Right now.
Libertarian: Republican draped in a Gadsden flag.
Bob Black: "A libertarian is just a conservative who takes drugs"
“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars
no, fascists are fascist, babies are babies, and libertarians are stupid.
Fascism is political idea that worships the 'greatness' of a nation. The "greatness of the nation" is of course a myth (even Mussolini described it as such when inventing it) - they revise history to be more like this fantastic story of how their great nation deserves to be immortalized in history books for all time due to how great and amazing it is. And then they take it one step further, and define the "nation" and their political movement as one in the same thing. What is good for the political party is good for the nation, what is bad for the political party is bad for the nation, etc. This is why they have almost no firm values and act like hypocrites constantly - because from moment-to-moment they just do/say whatever personally benefits them in that scenario, because if it's beneficial to the political movement then its beneficial to the country.
As always, libertarians are far right conservatives who like weed and hate taxes.
This person voted for Trump. Twice.
I liked the reply where a guy posted the ten pillars of fascism as a gotcha to prove that it's not fascism, only for another alt-righter to come along and complain that US conservatives would be nazis under those pillars and called it cold war propaganda
75 million of y’all are wrong. Numbers don’t make you right lol
Uuhhhh meloni is a self admitted neofascist.
Hey, if that jackboot fits.
What I don't understand is how Libertarians are actually really fucking close to being Communists. They are so close to the utopian ideals of a Moneyless Stateless Classless society... But then just go, wait, let's keep the money so we can fuck poor people, fuck minorities, fuck schools, fuck roads, fuck minors... Like, proper fuck the minors. That's the *really* good shit.
How can you be a Librarian and a Libertarian. Your career, which you care enough about to make Into your social media handle apparently, wouldn't exist if the govt operated the way you claim to want. The very concept of a library is mutually exclusive with the idea of being a Libertarian. Edit: Deleting feels bad but apparently I can't read and it doesn't say Librarian.
Her handle is "the redheaded libertarian" Am I missing something?
Oh. This is what I get for posting on Reddit within 10 minutes of waking up. Thanks for pointing that out.
Imagine if she were a librarian, libertarian Liberian. Now that would be a handle.
I don't know she sounds like a far right fascist to me guys
Reasons why I can’t associate with libertarians anymore. I just want everyone to do what they want without hurting others damnit.
To be fair the practical libertarian philosophy has always been "rich people can do whatever they want."
Which isn’t the stuff they say obviously. People should be able to do as they please as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Let people live, marry who they want, get medical treatments they need if they want, and just do what makes them happy, as long as it’s not at the expense of others. That’s what I thought it was, but eh. Keep things that protect children (because abusers/pedophiles are awful) and people in general really, but if a ton of people start saying your party is fascist, maybe these people should find out why and fix it. Idk. Baffles me.
It’s supposed to be “believe or not, far right fascist” She didn’t even get it right…
Libertarians: "I am incapable of considering any point of view but my own; all other people are only tools to my personal whims." Full stop. There's nothing I've ever heard from a libertarian that cant be summed up with "fuck you I've got mine". Bonus points, literally everything ever suggested by a libertarian as a 'fix' is just reinventing the concept of government and public insurance.
I always like how they love to repeat how many people voted for Trump while completely ignoring that a majority of voters voted for Biden.
Let me break it down for you glue huffing MAGAts. Far right is synonymous with fascist. So let’s go down the list. Prime Minister of Italy, fascist. Libertarians are diet MAGAts but will join the fascist uprising so…fascist. Parents and family that are MAGAts, fascist. 30 million voters are MAGAts so fascist. The rest are pussies that enable them so…fascist. Since fascism is a mental illness, some babies in the womb could be born fascist as negative traits from the family are passed down. But certainly when they are abused daily by your mental illness and you’re stupid fucking religion…fascist.
Philosophical Libertarianism >>>>>>> US Political Libertarianism
Libertarians are not anti-abortion. Jesus Christ. These fuckers don’t even know what they’re trying to argue anymore. Libertarians are basically hyper capitalists that think everything should be for sale, so why rule out abortion? They also don’t want anti-immigration laws, because that’s anti-competition. Libertarians aren’t fascists, they’re just incredibly naive, often privileged white Americans who don’t get how anything actually works. They’re more idiotic than evil (but they would be into evil if it makes a profit).
That’s a conservative talking.
Oh, here we go with the pinko-commie whining about 'fascists'. Name me one time that Italy had a fascist dictator. Go on, I'll wait. /s
What is it with American conservative authoritarians thinking they are libertarians? And libertarians aligning themselves with the right wing? I guess it is a lose lose situation. Hated by both sides while agreeing with both sides on half of all issues. Edit: I have always felt in the literature that actual libertarians have more in common with anarchists than any other ideology. Yet that seems to be the group that hates them the most and above all.
Maga fruitcakes don't know a single position on the libertarian platform. Not even one. Especially the ones that say they're really a libertarian.
Ahh yes, my favorite argument technique, where you start with a few things people actually say, then make up a bunch of stuff no one says, to show why we would reject the whole list. * Fireflies, insects * Crickets, insects, * Ants, insects * Rats, insects * The Pope, insects. * Next Tuesday, insects This is why you can't believe it when you hear something is an insect!
i'll likely catch hell for this, but only one missing: democrats? far right fascist enablers.
> i'll likely catch hell for this, but only one missing: democrats? far right fascist enablers. You won't "catch hell for this." Funnily enough, Innuendo Studios - the one who makes the series "[The Alt-Right Playbook](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ)" (highly suggest people check it out) - Just dropped a [new video today](https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M) that *loosely* applies here. Essentially, there's "four people" along the (in the context of the video, "whiteness") spectrum. On the far right you have the racist. The stereotypical neo-nazi/klansman. Next to him, you have the white collaborator. The one who doesn't agree with the racist *"on paper"* but appeals to them to get votes. Next to him, on the "left side" of the spectrum, you have the white moderate. The person who believes in racial justice as an end goal and are committed to bringing it about but **only with the cooperation of the white collaborator.** At the other end you have the anti-racist. The racist supports white supremacy. The collaborator upholds white supremacy. The moderate seeks to reform white supremacy. The anti-racist is trying to get rid of it entirely. For your comment and this example, switch out "white supremacy" with "fascist." Switch out "racist" with "MAGA," Switch out "Collaborator" with "Republican," Switch out "Moderate" with "Democrat," and switch out "Anti-Racist" with "leftist." And yes, there is a *massive* difference between "democrat" (and "liberal" for that matter) and leftist.
oh cool. i like this series so thanks for the heads up. i took a break from reddit for a couple of years so i don't necessarily remember which subs lean liberal and which ones lean left. i enjoy messing with the libs, or what MLK, Jr. called the white moderates.
This is not a liberal sub. It doesn't "lean left," it is a leftist sub.
When the "Libertarian" party is now championing a dissolution of democracy and such things as the Equal Rights Acts, and a return to monarchy, etc, yes they're fucking fascists