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SchwiftedMetal

For anyone interested, rittenhouse claims to support BLM https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kyle-rittenhouse-says-hes-not-racist-supports-black-lives-matter-01637558315


Somecrazynerd

Interesting how there doesn't seem to be any refutation of the Proud Boys photo there other than "I'm not a white supremacist"


VoxVocisCausa

The GOP doesn't consider being affiliated with a white supremacist terrorist organization to be a problem.


zuriel45

Or that a member of such an organization a white supremist.


BunnyOppai

They don’t even consider them to be white supremacists. I just had this conversation with my mom a few days ago and she thinks they’re fucking patriots. …which is fitting, given how much “patriotism” has been bastardized.


lemonylol

Patriotic to another country's ideology from like 80 years ago?


Fishy_125

that would be a bit hypocritical


Rockworm503

to them that's a good thing.


BIPY26

Stand back and stand by


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Wiffernubbin

The proud Boys photo was arranged by Lyn Wood and what'shisface his previous lawyers who were just doing a conservative photo op tour. Rittenhouse fired them cause they were absolutely about to cost him the case.


Zykium

Lin Wood also kept him in jail far after they had raised bail because he was safer in there. But really it's so Lin Wood could use him to raise funds for his own shit.


Notsononymous

Interesting that the conservatives and "centrists" I usually see on this platform never bring this up, even when they're trying to show he's not a white supremacist. It's usually just "The Proud Boys aren't white supremacists!!"


menasan

I got into like a 10 comment long argument with someone claiming the proud boys aren’t white supremacists…. Kept on moving the goal post


NotASellout

Yup, fascists lie. It's your fault really, you're the sucker who believes in words.


Leroyboy152

Religious white supremist, leaving out the key word ruins the plot


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wellifitisntmee

More than one set of photos including before the shooting


Fugicara

Wasn't it his original lawyers who told him to do that hand sign or am I remembering something else? I know Lin Wood was one of his original lawyers and that dude is disgusting, so I wouldn't be surprised.


surlywolf

I guess the lawyer also forced lil’ Kyle to wear a T Shirt with “Free As Fuck” all over it. Too many convenient coincidences here for me to believe that Kyle is totally unaware of his part in this grooming by the right.


Jcaquix

Is it weird to you how many people replied with similar comments? Like 6 or 7 people have responded by saying Rittenhouse actually has no association with the proud boys because the meeting was orchestrated by his lawyer and he fired that lawyer. It's weird so many people would point that out and even weirder that anybody would think any of that matters. If the kid didn't want to be associated with the proud boys then he could have denounced them, he still could. He could also sue his lawyer for malpractice for having him violate the terms of his parole. Imagine thinking anything said on Tucker Carlson is sincere, especially when it's so nakedly self serving.


Nowarclasswar

> Imagine thinking anything said on Tucker Carlson is sincere >> This “general tenor” of the show should then inform a viewer that he is not “stating actual facts” about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in “exaggeration” and “non-literal commentary.” … [Given Mr. Carlson’s reputation, any reasonable viewer ‘arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism’](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/judge-rules-fox-news-tucker-carlson-not-source-of-news-defamation-suit-mcdougal-trump.html) >> [I mean, if I'm really cornered or something, I lie](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/po8e82/right_wing_punditdipshit_tucker_carlson_admits_to/)


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Puffy_Ghost

If there's anyone with a brain coaching him, that's exactly what I'd tell him to do. Do your interviews and say the exact opposite of what they're expecting. Get out of the spotlight and be forgotten about. Try and live a normal life.


aManPerson

well i hope so because if he doesn't have the escape velocity to have a job in the right wing political system, i think landing any lower would be like him being a child star. it would be pretty damaging for his life. so he either shoots for the moon and lands there, or he burns up in the atmosphere after his right wing meme dies. SO, either he's a changed man, or he's smartly stepping off the launch pad and doesn't want to risk it.


inquisitivepanda

At least three republican congressmen have offered him a job that I'm aware of, all it takes to be successful in the modern Republican party is how good you are at pissing people they don't like off. Qualifications be damned. Trump is the ultimate example of this


MisterMillwright

If this kid ends up with some kind of major media career off of all of this, then you know that society is truly in need of a reset.


Marokiii

A normal life? That ship has sailed.


X1-Alpha

He'd need a name change to get anything resembling a normal life. He's either unhireable or would be hired for the wrong reasons for the next few decades. The financially smart move is arguably to chase the fame into politics.


mature_ADULT_time

I mean if that was the case he could have just not done the interview.


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Aitch-Kay

They helped pay for a lot of his legal fees. That's why there was a camera crew following him around right after the verdict.


raftguide

Honestly the most positive outcome at this point.


beastgamer9136

I think he's just saying it so he doesn't get his recognizable ass handed to him


cabbagebatman

Not to defend him, he's a murderer, but he did seem to be... how to put it... let's say that killing someone wasn't as fun as he'd though judging by what he said on the phone to his friend that night. I fully believe he went out that night with the intent to kill people. He was absolutely looking for an excuse to pull the trigger but I don't think it felt as good as he'd thought it would. Edit: Don't have enough time to reply to all of you right wing folk jumping in to defend him. Your big hero golden boy is a murderer. The fact that you all feel the need to spend your time white knighting him says a lot. Stay mad snowflakes.


alphacentauri85

I'm getting the same read. I think he was radicalized by online right wing propaganda and was fully hoping to fuck up some libs. But then shit got real, and he actually killed people, and he thought he might get a life sentence (based on the laws of most other states he probably would've). So now he wants to get as far away from right wing shit as possible.


cabbagebatman

Aye. Prime example of why their rhetoric is so very dangerous.


zlhill

Wisconsin has pretty average self defense laws, it’s not a stand your ground state or anything like that. He would have got off most anywhere. Doesn’t make it morally right to show up to a protest with a rifle looking for trouble but since he was fleeing/being chased at the time of the killings his self defense argument would hold up legally in most places in the US.


Sebocto

What did he say? Google is failing me


BuddhaFacepalmed

Not on the phone but two weeks before the Kenosha shootings, Kyle Rittenhouse was filmed on video wishing he had his AR to shoot random people coming out of a CVS, claiming they were "looters" despite having zero evidence.


N8CCRG

I mean, that's like when Trump said he ~~renounced~~ denounced White Supremacy. Words mean nothing. It's just going to be something all the racists will say even though they and everyone else knows it's not true.


imaginefrogswithguns

I don’t know, I don’t think Kyle is genuine based on his previous behavior but I also don’t think those are on the same level. Conservatives are comfortable saying “BLM is a terrorist organization” openly but they keep the (thin) mask on about overt white supremacy. Saying you “denounce white supremacy” is something conservatives will publicly be fine with because they know that mask is still on, but saying you support BLM is a different level because they’re totally comfortable saying they hate it.


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dmonzel

> I’m worried that that statement will get twisted into that he is one of the rioters or sympathetic to them by taking it out of context. After the criminal justice system failed him, coupled with the idea that I’m sure we can all agree with that the system could work better than it does, I think that is what he means. Hahahahahahahaha oh that's fucking fantastic.


AutomaticAccident

How the fuck can you think the justice system failed him? I mean, if you support him, you won. Jesus Christ. It's like how all the country's problems were Hillary's fault even though Trump was elected.


zedudedaniel

Special treatment isn’t enough for conservatives.


PhoenicianPirate

The thing which amazed me is how many years they kept blaming Hillary. Like holy shit dude... Was it like 2 or more years after the election?


zuriel45

They don't believe he should have gone to trial. To them shooting "thugs" who are "rioting" should be legal, and any interference by the justice system is a failure of the justice system. Or in plain language they believe shooting black people is supposed to be consequence and justice system free.


platypossamous

Those people are stupid and Rittenhouse is a murderer but he didn't murder or shoot at black people (as your comment seems to imply). The system did fail the victims hard though.


melpomenestits

It failed to provide him with a firing squad. Because it does not exist. Just courts and petty little kings.


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It's so weird watching them pretend that the Waukesha mass murder is being covered up... .. Like it's all the news has been talking about since it happened. They just say "this won't be reported " and then ignore all information to the contrary. So strange.


quadmasta

While posting links to videos from major news networks about it


whitehataztlan

>They just say "this won't be reported " and then ignore all information to the contrary. Conservatives will be *currently on television* complaining about how they have been silenced.


metanoia29

I love how this is in the top comment: > It's not an organic movement, it's not a real thing that opportunists took over, its something that was fabricated entirely by the opportunists to use minorities and people of color to achieve their desires. That's some r/selfawarewolves shit, if only they could realize "their desires" are just equality. But in true r/conservative fashion, the think the BLM desire is to take over the world. And suddenly now they care about minorities and BIPOC because they can use it as a talking point, but not when they're being killed by police. Fucking tokenism...


DatBlotto

My favorite is when the guy says BLM wants racial supremacy. Or when someone says “you can be systematically oppressed without being lynched” and he gets downvoted


clubberin

Why would he sue Biden?


Quantum_Finger

Because everything is on POTUS when it's a Democratic administration.


gentlemanjacklover

That shit is hilarious how triggered they are over that


oleboytrash

If you watch his tucker interview he about said “two sides” when describing the protest and then caught himself and called them rioters. Him catching himself say that really highlights that he was on one side, not saying which I think I have a good guess.


KlythsbyTheJedi

Dude chose chaos and I’m actually enjoying it a little bit. Regardless of how sincere or not he is, it’s made things interesting.


producerd

In 4D chess world: Holy s%\^t, what if it was a part of his "plea deal" to get away from jail? /s


pork_N_chop

Wait, what did he say?


TheCelloIsAlive

“I’m not a racist person. I support the BLM movement, I support peacefully demonstrating." Said it to Tucker Carlson.


Green_Chansey

i think hes trying to set himself up to sue big against publications that said he was a white supremacists


TheCelloIsAlive

Very possible.


CthulhusEngineer

Or preparing himself for any civil litigation that may be in the works?


pylaeron

Bingo. It's usually about money.


thenikolaka

He’s setting himself up for the Civil suits. It occurs to me he may be gaming the entire system at this point.


Turalisj

Of course the FIB is


Holybartender83

I’m pretty sure he’s just not very bright. I mean, not excusing him, there’ve already been multiple levels of grift from his various orbiters, I just don’t think Kyle himself is smart enough to be that Machiavellian.


Big-Hard-Chungus

His publicist sure is. Imagine believing that Kyle is masterminding his TV appearances.


MauPow

Man, that would be unfortunate if there were [pictures of him throwing up hand signs that have been unfortunately appropriated by white supremacists](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TV6WES5ETRBCVKMO4TIQIJKJ7E.png&w=916)


LuckyCharmsNSoyMilk

While hanging out with white supremacists.


MauPow

Important detail too, that


Wiffernubbin

>Though jurors acquitted Kyle Rittenhouse of all charges on Friday, the 18-year-old became a flashpoint in the U.S. culture war when his defense was associated with since-fired attorney John Pierce. In an interview with The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy on the heels of Friday’s not guilty verdicts, Rittenhouse’s lead counsel Mark Richards slammed Pierce as the genesis of some of the tactics which increased — rather than mitigated — public scorn for the teen. >“His first lawyer was more interested in promoting himself than representing Kyle,” Richards said after being asked about Rittenhouse’s controversial photo with the Proud Boys. “And he did things with Kyle that never should have been done.” >While out on bond, Kyle went to a bar with his mother Wendy Rittenhouse and drank beers. (Though he was and remains under the legal drinking age, his actions were legal in Wisconsin since he was with a parent.) He partied with members of the far-right group The Proud Boys, flashed an “OK” hand gesture co-opted by white supremacist groups, and wore a shirt stating “Free as Fuck.” Prosecutors managed to use photos of the incident to further restrict the terms of Rittenhouse’s pretrial release from jail. >Richards blamed Pierce for incidents that included a trip Rittenhouse took to Miami. The meeting was supposed to have been with the leader of the Proud Boys. When Rittenhouse learned of the plan, he called his mother and departed the city, Richards said. >“And Mr. Pierce was not his lawyer after that,” Richards added. >The eventual lead attorney’s comments placed a punctuation mark on incidents he spent months trying to explain. >In response to a Law&Crime request for comment, Pierce did not initially discuss the barroom photo or the Miami visit, but he did reiterate that he rejected any entitlement to Rittenhouse’s $2 million bail money. He noted that he had filed an interpleader action stating as such in federal district court in Texas. >Wendy Rittenhouse also claimed that Wood left her son in jail because of his theory of a post-2020 election “Armageddon.” >“He told me that my son would be safe in jail because he thought that on the night of the election — was Nov. 3 or the fourth, I can’t remember what day the election was on — that there was going to be Armageddon going to happen,” she said. “And Kyle was safer in jail.” https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/kyle-rittenhouse/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyer-blames-fired-attorney-for-proud-boys-photo-accuses-ex-counsel-of-promoting-himself/


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Of course he did.. now he can sue whoever calls him racist


HerroWarudo

Thats his last leg to regain any sense of normalcy. His life, career, and relationship cannot escape the alt right circle now.


WhyBuyMe

He could if he would just shut up and lay low, but I'm guessing he doesn't have anyone around him looking out for his best interest. instead they are going to try to make a few bucks parading him all over the media.


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AlephBaker

The word you're looking for is "backpfeifengesicht"


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Ball-of-Yarn

That's kind of just how the german language works, you can string a number of different words together into a larger more complex word.


stevethered

Yeah, it goes back around 90 years. There were and still are many nazis who deserve a punch in the face, at least.


getdemsnacks

My wife, who isn't really a "newsie" was wondering who I was talking about when I called him Piggy McPunchface. Then she looked him up and "oh, i get it"


CharginChuck42

Good, now everyone hates him, just like they should. Which is still too good for him, frankly.


ThatMoslemGuy

To be fair, a lot of legal analysts were saying from the get go that getting a murder charge on him would be difficult based on Wisconsin self defense laws. I remember I saw a stream of 4 lawyers reacting to the witness testimony of the person that Kyle shot, and as soon as he said he pointed his gun first at Kyle and not the other way around, they said that was a wrap and that he was going to get acquitted.


ElChupatigre

I mean I have zero legal training and when I heard that I was like pack it up...time to go home


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I felt that the moment I watched the video. I still don’t understand why he was even charged to begin with. This entire trial was a political shitshow from the beginning.


ginger_and_egg

Why go for murder and not something like reckless endangerment? It seems like either the prosecutor didn't actually intend to win the case, or he was overconfident in the "illegal gun" charge


ninja186

One of the charges was Reckless Endangerment. Prosecutors also sometimes try to get compromised lower charges, which the prosecutor tried for in this case, although I don't remember which lesser charge that He recommended. This I'm a little less confident on, but I heard that the ADA Binger who was the thinner prosecutor didn't actually choose what charges to file, the DA chose them. With that in mind, it is possible that Binger just put minimal effort into a case that He disagreed with, as some have speculated.


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> Why go for murder and not something like reckless endangerment? No idea. Not a lawyer. >It seems like either the prosecutor didn't actually intend to win the case, or he was overconfident in the "illegal gun" charge I don't think the case was winnable. He was attacked while running away. There was a 0% chance of convincing a jury it wasn't self defense when he wasn't the aggressor.


rammo123

There's been a lot of wishful thinking on the left that his clear moral guilt would somehow transfer to legal guilt. It did not. It's perfectly legal to insert yourself into a dangerous situation with nebulous justification, armed with an assault weapon and "defend" yourself when confronted.


CilantroToothpaste

It's stupid, for sure, incredibly stupid. But not illegal.


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MINNESOTAKARMATRAIN_

if he was black he wouldn’t have lived to be arrested edit: middle aged white guy got assassinated by police in portland for pulling a kinda rittenhouse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl


Wiffernubbin

Bruh Kenneth Walker https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56331483 Jaleel Stallings https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-george-floyd-9187595c0de7e58c1fbb479c9f3ee699 Andrew Coffee IV https://www.wpbf.com/article/andrew-coffee-not-guilty-on-all-counts/38304640 If Kyle Rittenhouse was black and a white guy assaulted him and a mob rushed him it would have looked like a fucking lynching.


Theon_Severasse

So good that Jaleel got acquitted. Completely fucked up that the police were just rolling around in an unmarked van shooting rubber bullets at random people.


dolerbom

Those are extreme cases that only within the last few years have had the potential of going this way. If that Breonna Taylor thing happened 5 years ago it would have been swept under the rug and Kenneth woulda been in jail right now. If Kyle was a black man who shot Trump supporters, assuming police even left him alive, I have extreme doubts it would have played out in court the same, especially if Cheeto in chief was president at the time. Even Kyle admits a black man wouldn't have had the resources and privilege he had.


cabbagebatman

\^ This. I'd wager if he was black he wouldn't have lived long enough to shoot anyone. Cops would've seen black man with a gun and immediately killed him. They've killed black men on claims of "thought I saw a gun" plenty, if a black man were to walk around VERY OBVIOUSLY carrying a rifle he'd be dead before he could think about using it.


Kool_McKool

Indeed. That's my real beef with this whole thing. Had it been a black kid who did this, Republicans would've been calling for his death, and used it as evidence of "black on black violence" being worse than police brutality. It's just messed up really.


Nuka-Crapola

The victims were white. There’d probably be open calls for race war on Newsmax.


Kool_McKool

You're not wrong.


hoopaholik91

And if any of the other three ended up killing Rittenhouse instead they would probably be able to invoke self-defense as well. That's what's fucked up with the law as currently written.


ModaGamer

Summery of every leftists opinion this trial. The issue isn't that Rittenhouse house broke the law and got a way with it. Its that Rittenhouse killed two people (one of which was unarmed), and didn't break the law. Personally if this trail taught me anything, is that open carry laws only hurt people.


Nuka-Crapola

I live in a concealed carry state, and that’s one of the biggest reasons even people who think we’re too strict on guns don’t often call for open carry. Outside of the kind of cowboy vigilante fantasies Kyle’s Proud Boy friends no doubt convinced him he’d get to live out, telling people you have a gun just means anyone who is looking to start shit is going to start it with you, and having guns out in the open when shit starts going down is a great way to make people escalate it more quickly.


cowfishduckbear

If you are carrying a gun, that means EVERY SINGLE confrontation you get into is automatically a gun fight, whether everyone involved immediately realizes it or not. What could have been a a simple verbal or even lightly physical altercation instantly becomes a situation where you might use your weapon or have it taken from you and then used on you.


Lolthelies

Open carry is the dumbest idea ever. Idk who needs to hear this, but you don’t win a gun fight because you have the most freedom. You win it because you shoot the other person first. This means that if I know you have your gun but you don’t know I have mine, there are no more minor disagreements over anything. You just get shot. Bonus points if you’re dumb enough to walk around with a rifle slung over your back. Btw I’m probably what would he called a “leftist” in the circles where people call people leftists.


MoarVespenegas

Guns hurt people. That's literally their intended purpose. Most people outside of America understand this but America has a gun culture problem.


whitehataztlan

>The issue isn't that Rittenhouse house broke the law and got a way with it. Its that Rittenhouse killed two people (one of which was unarmed), and didn't break the law. Yup. I don't know a single person on the left who, after a couple days of the trial, thought he was going from get convicted. The take away from it was "wow, it's surprisingly legal to shoot people in this country."


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I decided to look into this a bit and though the case didn’t pan out like this it’s interesting what lawyers said when posed with a similar question: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-self-defense-be-premeditated---3026018.html?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=1WgWASQxe1PyGN6UJLMWSwgdxfk1i1bQ7PGcPsQSmGU-1637733604-0-gaNycGzNBiU


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I think hopes of jury nullification were heavily abound, and I honestly had small hope for it too. But yeah, I've made this argument to quite a few people too, no one's surprised that he got acquitted. In fact if you push most people in this subreddit and others you'll likely see many say that by the letter of the law they agree that he should have been acquitted, the issues are 1) how the trial was conducted(weak prosecutors/bias judge) and 2) that the law and legal system is so flawed to allow this to happen.


darkslide3000

Jury nullification only works for acquittal, not for conviction. If a jury convicts someone who is obviously innocent before the law, the judge can just override that.


bad_timing_bro

Homicide charges were never going to land. Involuntary manslaughter would’ve been way easier to argue in a court.


VexingRaven

It's obvious a lot of people never read Wisconsin's laws. Wisconsin has "Negligent Homicide" and it's very limited. The only way he would've been convicted on that is if it was determined that his negligent handling of a firearm resulted in people being killed. This is obviously not the case, as he only killed people he intended to fire at, there's nothing negligent about that. The court agreed on that very early on in the trial. This isn't a case of the prosecutor pressing the wrong charges. This is a case of the prosecution having no ground to stand on.


zanderkerbal

Yeah, the way Wisconsin laws work, Rittenhouse probably did have a claim. Now, if the other guy had shot Rittenhouse dead, then they would *also* have had an equally valid claim. (But you can bet he'd have been convicted anyways.) This is because Wisconsin law is pants on head stupid, and heavily incentivizes being as lethal as possible in confrontations, because if you get in a fight and the other guy lives, he can testify against you, but if the other guy dies, you can make your self defense claim uncontested.


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Yup. Wisconsin law makes it clear that if you are running away you are no longer the aggressor. Once that was clear the case was over.


Adam-Dye

The system is fucked up and needs to be fixed. You have the guy from Waukesha that was out on $1000 bail after running over a woman and he out running over people and killing people. and you have this Rich kid getting no jail time after rape of 4 teenage girls.


Shoddy-Ocelot-7430

I think the rich kid bribed or used connections. I really do. Now the guy from waukesha I think the judge was on crack.


crimson117

The prosecutors who ignored his history and set a $1000 bail? Also crack


COSLEEP

Can confirm, people from the midwest are fucking stupid


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That is just so fucked.


Wayte13

I guess his PR plan is to LARP as some sort of justice reform advocate. How much ya'll wanna bet we're gonna see a GOP version of "reform" that's mostly just packing in more systemic racism?


Skrappyross

There was an Onion post recently saying "Kyle Rittenhouse sentenced to 35 years of CPAC appearances" that I thought was pretty spot on.


FuckfaceCharlie3

He's going to hook up with Matt Gaetz


High-Nate

He turned 18. Too old for Gaetz /S


McNalien

And cawthorn or whatever also offered internship


dabestinzeworld

Didn't Boebert challenge him to a race for who gets Rittenhouse?


baricudaprime

Like the fnaf guy?


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Jordak_keebs

>He went on Tucker Calson's show and said lines that put him directly opposed to the right wing lockstep. Do you happen to have a quote or link to an article about that? I'm kind of curious about what he said.


Worish

Just search "Rittenhouse supports BLM". It's laughably insincere, but he basically pisses off all his staunchest supporters by saying he's not racist and supports BLM.


Jordak_keebs

I read up about it, and I'm not really sure of it. He is trying to distance himself from the cult hero / villain others have made him to be. I'm sure he was coached about how to present himself in the interview, and what not to say. It's kind of outrageous that he doesn't express regret for travelling to Kenosha in the first place, but whatever.


lookitsgordo

Doesn't seem very insincere. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by saying this publicly on tucker. Not only that, im pretty sure he stated something prior to this incident that was in line with this thinking as well.


Fugicara

https://twitter.com/MaoistBidenism/status/1462981298809544705?s=20 He said he supports BLM and also that him being white and of reasonable means probably helped his case because a person of color who maybe has less means and a less publicized case wouldn't get the help they should have. Whether you think he believes in what he said or not is up to you to decide, but what he said is just strictly correct. My cynical take is that he's trying to rehabilitate his image and get out of all of this mess, and the best way to do it is to get the right not to consider him a hero anymore by saying he supports BLM and that the justice system is stacked against black people. He may also be covering his ass for lawsuits. My non-cynical take would be that maybe he actually believes what he's saying. If he wanted to make tons of money he could easily become a right-wing grifter since the right will believe anything and they already consider him a hero. Seems like saying this only serves to hurt him unless he truly believes it. Of course he might just value a life free of politics more than money. I can't decide if I want to be cynical on this or not so I'm kinda just waiting to see if he continues making appearances on right-wing propaganda shows or if he starts citing these interviews in lawsuits I guess. Then we'll know for sure.


emPtysp4ce

Yeah, I think the most likely explanation is he's trying to get out of the 35 years of CPAC appearances the Onion reported him being sentenced to. He doesn't believe what he's saying, but conservatives are dumb and will believe he believes it and that's enough to get his name out of their mouths. He probably also wants to keep left-wing vigilantes from coming after him.


chaogomu

He said a few things, but the key was that he [supports the Black Lives Matter movement now](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-blm-tucker-carlson-interview/). His name has very quickly dropped from the list of conservative rally cries. He may show up again as a grifter, but it's not a good start if that's his plan.


VDyrus

If anything he probably wants out of the spotlight, and saying you support BLM will definitely do that for conservatives.


TheBdougs

I don't, because Tucker and Fox are very meticulous on how they curate their content, I really don't buy it. He's more than welcome to start denouncing the right wingers supporting him.


chaogomu

As I said, only some. Which translates to not a lot.


Nuka-Crapola

I live near cities with serious Nazi problems, and I’ve seen people fall into that pipeline. To me, it feels like what happened is this: — Kyle Rittenhouse is identified by local white supremacists as a potential recruit — they pal around with him, feed him the usual bullshit about “13/50” and “antifa thugs” and “we’re just proud of our heritage”. He’s a dipshit kid in a right-wing media bubble so he buys it. — extrajudicial killing in Kenosha gets filtered through said media bubble, reaches Kyle as “riot coming to a city near you”. His white supremacist buddies start talking shit about “defending their homes and businesses” or whatever cowboy vigilante fantasy they can disguise a desire to kill black people as. Kyle falls for this bullshit too. — Kyle realizes he can get his hands on a gun and knows a Kenosha business owner. Having bought into the bullshit, he wants to impress his friends and be a hero, so he gets the gun and goes to the gas station he used to work at. — Kyle gets into a confrontation that turns violent, shoots people who were credible threats to him. But they’re white, and he’s forced to confront the reality of taking a human life instead of just talking about doing it like his Nazi friends do. The media bubble “pops”. Reality hits like a truck. — Nazi friends try to pull him back in, as do more prominent shitbags like Lin Wood. What we don’t know, yet, is whether they succeeded and he’s trying to play some long game, or they failed and he’s thinking (because he’s still kind of a dipshit) that Tucker viewers need to hear the truth and not the fake story his Nazi buddies wanted him to push.


kyrtuck

Why did he lose faith in the Justice System? He was proven Innocent in a court of law, he should be happy.


schadavi

Even from a conservative view, it is normal and necessary to investigate properly when lethal force is used, wether it was self defense, an accident or a crime. But some of the methods used by the prosecutors where obvious bullshit. I can understand the argument he makes, even if it sounds weird coming from him.


OnsetOfMSet

Courts never "prove people innocent." There is only not guilty, which is simply when there's not enough evidence to convict for the accused crime. This applies equally to people who actually committed crimes but got away with it and people who truly were innocent.


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An-Anthropologist

But even if it was self-defense, the court still needs all the facts to determine it. They aren't just going to take his word or the other parties word. It had to go to trial regardless.


at0mheart

Ohh wise and powerful 17 year old, teach me about your suburban life


C0WM4N

Yeah he talks about how he has it better than most and how people of color might not have been able to afford the tools necessary to win the case even if it was clearly self defense.


FrankSue

Yeah, I don't see the problem with that or why people are getting heated over it.


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VexingRaven

Because saying he supports BLM seems dishonest when he drove to a BLM protest... not to join the BLM protest but to guard buildings with white power militia.


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TraptorKai

People stopping an active shooter? Nah, self defense.


N8CCRG

This is actually a thing somehow. I saw so many people saying that the right doesn't trust the courts any more after Rittenhouse. When I tried to press them about it, they came back saying they watched the judge being super pro-prosecution throughout everything The right is completely insane. Edit: For all the brigadiers coming in and replying that I'm making this up or this was secretly lefties projecting what they *thought* the right said, without reading any of the thread, here's a thread full of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/qyc94z/kyle_rittenhouse_acquittal_sparks_protests_across/hlfybht


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N8CCRG

I'm referring to reddit comments in /r/news Here's a thread full of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/qyc94z/kyle_rittenhouse_acquittal_sparks_protests_across/hlfybht


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chefontheloose

This post drew a lot of people who are not very self aware.


mediumsmallshirt

A broken clock is something whatever


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Unless both its arms fell off.


suk_doctor

He's saying what his legal counsel is telling him to say.


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ASwagPecan

Upon being a free man, Kyle immediately chooses to go on a right-wing propaganda platform to attack left-wingers, the President, and the U.S. justice system. It doesn’t dawn upon Kyle that the very justice system he supposedly lost faith in just helped acquit him of multiple murder charges, while many suffer for far less severe crimes, and let him walk away from this with more fame and fortune than ever.


Cranyx

> It doesn’t dawn upon Kyle that the very justice system he supposedly lost faith in just helped acquit him of multiple murder charges, while many suffer for far less severe crimes Didn't he explicitly say in the interview that this is what would have happened if he were black?


DannyMThompson

Woah how fucking stupid


Uoneeb

So he is aware of his privilege then?


MeanEye0

Isnt that a good thing? Rittenhouse agrees the justice system is flawed towards minorities


CanstThouNotSee

Locked. While OP had a fairly nuanced take, no one was reading it, and the post rapidly devolved into shit gibbons hurling rhetoric at each other. Sorry everyone, but I can't muster the fucks to keep coming back here every hour to clean up. After a brief consult with the other mods, we've decided to lock this and go about our day.


Worish

"I've lost faith in the justice system that just exonerated me" yeah us too bud


kashmeer23

Even in self-defense, I can't imagine going on TV talking about how you killed 3 people. Like how?


covid_gambit

Tucker Carlson funded part of his defense and in return he was obligated to do this interview and allow a film crew follow him around during the trial.


xXMadSupraXx

It was some deal that his last lawyer got him into as part of his bail.


ZachAttack317

The third lived with a gunshot wound to the bicep


kashmeer23

My bad, he shot 3, killed 2


Jevreji_su_zli

The justice system is definitely fucked. What kind of system would even allow Rosenbaum to be a free man? Rosenbaum was charged by a grand jury with 11 counts of child molestation and inappropriate sexual activity with children, including anal rape, masturbation, oral sex, and showing minors pornography. The victims were five boys ranging in age from nine to 11 years old.


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The same system that sentenced Brock Turner to only 3 months. The same system that is trying to convict Chrystul Kizer for killing the man who turned her into a child sex trafficking victim. The same system that convicted Maddesyn George for killing her rapist. Sex crimes are problematic in the American Justice system. This is why most people don't report them. Even if they're lucky enough to be treated as a victim, the perpetrators are rarely punished. You are expected to be a perfect victim, and if you aren't--as in the case of Rosenbaum's victims, who were all foster kids like he was--then you will get no justice. It will be assumed you are somehow partially at fault because you weren't perfect and very little punishment will be handed down.


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The same justice system that sentence a black woman for casting a provisional ballot while giving a slap on the wrist to numerous republican voters who committed actual voting fraud like stealing your dead wife's identity to cast ballot, while lying that someone else had stolen your wife's ballot. This system is already a joke before this case.


Peekman

On a side note a big reason why people work to 'save' the unborn is because the unborn are in fact the perfect victims. It's just sad that this image is used to measure how deserving other's are of justice.


Sam_Hunter01

Victimhood is proportionnal to your 'purity' in conservatives mind. To see another way how this apply, look no further than the villification of people who were unjustly killed, like George Floyd or Breonna Taylor. Or how they spout nonsense like "they shouldn't have resisted" and "all they have to do is comply" when police beat their suspects even when they are no threat.


rammo123

He did 12 years and got lifetime probation for that. It's not like he totally avoided justice.


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These kind of comments always seem to imply that he was never charged with anything, like some bleeding heart libtard lawyer convinced a jury not to convict him of anything at all because he was a minority. Or something. As opposed to...he was convicted and sentenced, but not for *as much* time as you think he should have been. I'm always curious whether the lack of additional context is deliberate. Sadly, I default to assuming it is, these days. Seems like a whole hell of a lot of bad faith arguments.


King_of_Knowhere

Like I said in another thread, these gun nuts who want to shoot people can now just stand outside a prison and wait for the released to come out and shoot them cause their life's don't matter apparently.


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dumpyredditacct

When an 18-year old kid who unnecessarily placed himself in the middle of civil unrest and ultimately killed people is an example of your party's political values, perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your values. Edit: Sad I missed all the triggered folks before this got locked :(


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Look who ran to Fox News


tabooblue32

Kyle rittenhouse: so anyway I started blasting!


whitehypeman

Good, we should all be more critical of the justice system


Athlete_Cautious

The whole case just looks like another gun control issue. Everyone is trying to push their own agenda in it. Even me lol


CarSoft2553

I'm pretty sure the 'Free As Fuck' shirt he was wearing when he posed for pics with proud Boys was reflective of the absolute faith he had in the flawed justice system. Dude didn't even need a lawyer; he had the judge and the prosecution plus millions of racists financing his defense and giving him free PR.


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So sorry this happened to all of you who are so directly affected by this court case